Weird but funny detail: Kate, the protagonist from The 8 Pages that can't run for more then 11 inches without having an asthma attack is the same person as the crack addict that chases you endless through the mines.
I do believe that's how she got her Creepypasta name which is very uncreative as it is Kate the Chaser. It is a little bit ironic though because she can't run very far.
@@fandomfloof9832 Thought it was because her official name is "The Chaser" in the files but story wise her name is Kate. But yeah, it does fit the "X the Y-er" creepypasta formula.
You could actually kill monsters in that game though. Despite your character's build, killing the monsters in your way was still a completely viable option.
In fact, I would even say Silent Hill arms its protagonists better than Resident Evil. Sure, you don't get grenade launchers and flamethrowers, but ammo is much more plentiful, and you get indestructible melee weapons that are powerful as well. It's fairly easy to play through Silent Hill and kill all enemies.
@@VisserZer0 Let's see.. For everyone complaining about Silent Hill not being as survival based as games that are too lazy to code combat and RATHER choose to just code an enemy that moves towards player location eternally forever at a set speed. Well, here are some examples that you completely fail to mention: For pure defenseless survival horror in Silent Hill there's.. The haunted house in Silent Hill 3 where you have to run or die from the gas attack. There is every encounter and battle with pyramid head in Silent Hill 2 where you cannot ever kill him EVER (for all the people who say its a viable option to kill every enemy in a game with unkillable enemies.. Do you not remember Silent Hill 2 and 4?). SH2 with the Creepers room. Silent Hill 4 had unkillable Ghosts and Walter Sullivan's invincibility. All you could do was run, LONG before Slender... Oftentimes where you would have to collect needed items (like pages) with those ghosts/Walter chasing you.. And then the even deadlier ghosts that came in the 2nd half of the game. The hauntings.. and I'm sure I am forgetting a LOT. Just like OP said it was quirky FREE game. Near no development or thought went into it when compared to games like Silent Hill and the team that made those first 4. So the fact is that Slender the 8 pages is basically a VERY accessible remake of the ghosts from Silent Hill.. collecting things you need in the level while the ONE ENEMY you cannot kill, the ghost, chases and kills you. Silent Hill was probably just not mentioned because it was a SERIOUS exception to the typical horror games of the day. But all these people trying to trivialize the quality of its survival elements sound SO FORCED and ludicrous.
@@jill9783 you are probably one of those people that also doesn't realize the difference between art style and graphics,also in order to have a good game graphics are the least important thing,you need a good story,you need fun mechanics and you need good level design,sure graphics are used to make the player feel like the game is more realistic but for me the story and sometimes the lack of it(aka mystery) and emotions you feel while playing a game are the reason I feel a game is realistic
While Slender got mainstream attention, Amnesia was the one to save the genre. The first Outlast is generally considered a great game and it's pretty much just an Amnesia clone.
I found Amnesia to be predictable, pretentious, and overrated, personally. It's my least favorite Frictional title. Not that it's a bad game per se. I did enjoy playing it, but the amount of hype it _still_ gets just isn't quite justified in my eyes. At least Outlast held no pretensions.
I still remember when Markiplier started his channel and him playing amnesia and slender and him and Yamimash having a competition on who was the real horror champion....where does time go
@@sharipenn1183 No. What happened is that the Girl she was dating was 14 but she didn't admit it till later. Then when she told it to Yamimash she went to Keemstar and made up her own story.Most people trusted the Bitch's story, not Yamimash's.There's no proof she did something to her, which makes Yamimash the victim, not her. Yet we people are stupid and trust the ''hopeless girl who was abused'' and now people moved on from his channel because they think he is a pedophille.
Slender was fantastic for being made by one dude, probably in his basement. It's one of my favorite Horror games. When The Arrival came out and turned out to be a shitshow I was 10000% mad. It was Eight Pages with Twice the Budget and Half as Good.
Arrival a shitshow? It had me thrilled, the introduction of Charlie(dlc) and Kate was a nice touch, plus the fact the game followed an interesting story, with unanswered questions for the player to fill in. Solid 9/10 for me.
I loved The Arrival. I found it much better than the OG eight pages. I liked the story, especially Charlie. That farm section was the scariest horror experience I had in a very long time. And I LOVED the AI of slender in The Arrival. He just feels better to me. And I like the idea of chasers, despite it being "ORIGINAL OC DO NOT STEAL" bait. It gives it a nice twist so it's just not the same thing over and over again.
Slender is not survival horror, it's just standard horror. Survival horror requires the ability to defend yourself, involves puzzle solving. If you're helpless, it's just horror.
Ehhh, the puzzle solving not so much, but the ability to defend, yes. Take, for example, The Forest. Great survival horror game, but there are very little if any puzzles. A game is survival horror when it has, well, survival and horror aspects. Resource management, the fending off of enemies, etc
Honestly, Amnesia not being free made it harder to get into. Horror is a hard sell to people not already into it. Asking people to pay was a barrier that Slender didn't have holding it back.
as fun as this game was, it launched the worse genre in horror games ever: jump-scare games jump-scare games are good for nothing reaction based games that only exist to have youtubers play them i loved slender the 8 pages and slender the arrival but i still think jump-scare games shouldn't be catagorized as horror games
Horror is a very subjective thing. Jumpscares can be very tiring, but they do their job (at the cost of engagement). So yes, jumps care games do belong in horror...as long as the whole game is based on horror. (A la "Spooky's house of jumpscares" and FNAF)
@@12DAMDO The worst offender is fnaf 3 when it comes to jumpscares. I feel fnaf is a series one plays for the lore and challenge aspects, honestly. It still deserves to be called horror though.
I honeslty don't think Fnaf is the same type of horror game here. Slender was not a jumpscare horror, it was more like a stalke horror You are escaping something, not protecting from something
As someone with their name in the "backer" portion of the credits, you got it for giving them $20 before the game came out, you also got some wallpapers and a piece of concept art with the team's signatures on it.
@@CharlatanWonder Thought it was some audio feedback or something. It indeed worked quite well. I even stopped the video a few times to make sure of the source.
Silent Hill came out before those games my dude, and even though I'm a huge fan I'm willing to say that Silent Hill actually ended up worse than Resident Evil despite originally being the better franchise.
Honestly the only good silent hills for me are 1,2 SM and Downpour (I liked the story if you play the patched version is a tolerable game). I don't like silent hill 3 cuz every time I play I get some serious bad headache
In terms of visual design, yes. But in gameplay practice, you still were able to fight back against the monsters and resource conservation was still the name of the game.
The Resident Evil series and Dead Space series didn’t lose popularity because they were doing the same old thing, but because they were becoming more and more action oriented. RE4 and Dead Space (and arguably the second one) were true horror games due to the pacing and atmosphere. Although they had action, that was not their main schtick.
@@VisserZer0 I'd argue that re was always meant to be relatively action oriented but because of the limitations of gaming back then capcom highlighted more horror elements in the first releases.
@@VisserZer0 I'd argue that the first re's are more action oriented then you give them credit for at least during their time. However even if they weren't if you look back at RE in context that it was a series meant to be action with heavy horror elements, Re 5 and Re 6 make sense. It's really just the pacing has changed.
Vasily Malyy exactly, EA were trying to get more people so they put more action, DS2 was the right balance I think but they went too far for DS3, the dlc was better but all the tontee problems were too much and they just abandoned the game sadly
Amnesia deserves more credit for the defenseless protagonist thing. Or just Frictional Games in general, look at their penumbra series from before Amnesia.
Yeah, Soma is a painfully underappreciated masterpiece. There aren't many developers willing to take risks, like exploring the horror in existentialism instead of taking the easy route and making a cheap jumpscare-fest.
I'm kind of sad about how the oversaturation of copycats lead to some actually decent ideas becoming casualties. The one I remember the most was a greenlit, almost exactly Slender, game that was 4 player co-op versus either an AI or player controller Slender-esque monster. It had basically the same goal as Slender, but like x2 the amount of stuff you needed to find and a much larger / more complex map. You also had to talk through the in-game chats that the monster could read or hear if they were close enough. Seemed like a pretty unique idea until it got caught up in the large wave of games in development that basically stopped production to figure out how to market themselves as not a Slender game. Then Dead by Daylight came out 3 years ago and basically took away any chance of the game being particularly unique should it ever release. I think the game used to have another name, but it's called "Faceless" at the moment.
I really think this guy was just too young to have played Amnesia, since he mentions playing this in high school. Slender itself was a response to Ammesia, along with basically all first person hide and seek sims that came out around then.
I made a video once called “Every Slender video on UA-cam” where I just screamed at nothing for 60 seconds, and it went semi-viral with a Kotaku article made about it. I had a fantastic time, and I felt like it worked because people got so tired of the overreactions on UA-cam. So I’m thankful.
The renaissance of horror in the early 2010s was great but it also lead to games not being made for the player, but for the viewer. Games made for lets playing but not made to really be played for enjoyment first hand
Same. And then being the obsession of some evil girls who tried to take the life of an innocent peer. Which also ended up being spat on with some crap ass movie. Respect for Marble Hornets.
Are you sure Amnesia: The Dark Descent doesn't deserve the credit for revitalizing the survival horror genre? It came out 2 years before Slender and kicked off the whole exaggerated reaction let's play genre that Slender merely contributed to. EDIT: I went and checked the views on both Pewdiepie's Amnesia videos and Slender video, and the Slender video does have about 5x more views than the Amnesia one (13 million compared to million), but it's still difficult to say Slender was THE GAME that revitalized the survival horror genre.
I remember Amnesia being a bit of a critical daring. I played it and liked it. But it was a pc release (first console released was on 2016) so pretty much only small portion of people i.e. people who primarily game on PCs could have played it. Slenderman on the other hand, was a social phenomenon. Kids loved it, and so did young adults. As far as its sphere of influence goes, I'd say Slenderman is much greater. Afterall, it was a UA-cam ARG started in 2009 that is thought of as kicking off the slenderman popularity. The games are just riding on the bandwagon. Slenderman games are all pretty shit though. Maybe there's one or two mediocre ones, but all forgettable. But no doubt it Slenderman's already well-known brand that got most people who would not have even looked at a horror game to try it.
Man the first time I saw this game, I was at a frat party, drunk off my ass along with everyone else. We were in some dude’s dorm and he had Slender projected on a wall. We all had a great time screaming for this dude to run constantly. Ah memories.
Did you know?: Toonami did a highlight piece on Slender years back when it was popular. They had a great score, according to Toonami 'S Jeff Blum robot.
I think Dead Space 3 was received poorly because of its own problems, not because of how Slender changed people's preferences and expectations for horror games
u kinda got it wrong in the Slender the arrival story. So the protagonist (Lauren) goes to investigate the dissappearance of Kate (protagonist from 8 pages) who was investigating with a friend (maybe) called CR about the dissappearance of Charlie Matheson Jr. (kid in the posters. Not the hooded person. That is Kate) .
Also, as everyone else is saying, Amnesia: The Dark Descent deserves a lot of credit for bringing up PC horror games. My last comment about all this is that, while not scary upon learning of the games mechanics, is that the “hot topic kid” is actually TERRIFYING when you don’t know how to handle him. I SCREECHED when he first ran at me.
The people talking up Amnesia aren't getting the point of the video, hes not saying that Slender was so good that it set an example of quality for horror games. His point was that it was so easily available that everyone played it, and so easy to replicate that lots of people made their own horror games. There's a difference between a revival of popularity and a revival of quality, and as he comments in the video, despite making horror games popular, it didn't inspire "good" content, which was its downfall.
Naota Kenichi Ah I see, there were a lot of slender games and ripoffs, most of them badly done or lazy but there were a good amount of well made ones or decent ones like the Slender Shadow Series which Mark played. And honestly Slender isn’t the only thing that was copied and made into shitty games cuz it’s nothing new but a lot of people did do it due to the popularity, and I don’t think it was all bad though, it’s hard to explain.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls I mean yeah, since then we've gotten tons of FNAF clones as well, but the fun thing about those is that they're hard to fuck up and easy innovate on. Like even the most direvative ones could be playable, and some of the best ecplise the series it was inspired by. So its not like nothing of quality came from it, and its not bad that people do it. A lot of young devs cut their teeth on these types of fan projects.
I thought RE4 was terrifying, but not for the usual reasons. Playing in pro mode means youre not really a super soldier anymore. You die extremely fast when youre not 100% focused. Makes you panic and scream at the silliest things. You feel like youre only just making it through every fight and it wears you down more and more. Its kinda like what they did with the latest RE games, except 4 was much more frantic. Still scary, but in a much more different way than usual horror. That being said, this is only the pro mode, so the vanilla game is kinda lacking in the horror (excluding the usual body horror and stuff) I also get why people find games like amnesia and outlast scary, but I feel really detached from the protagonist when I cant even TRY to fight back (even if its guaranteed to kill me anyway) and so a lot of the horror is missed for me. I tend to get more scared when I'm forced to face the horrible creature stalking me head-on.
A lot of tension from early survival horror games, Resident Evil in particular, came from decision making. Every time you encountered an enemy, you needed to asses the situation and determine if it was worth using supplies to take it out or not. There was a fair amount of strategy involved and you needed to think on your feet as you would if you were really in the protagonists' shoes. "Run and hide" horror almost completely eliminates this element. I think short sections in which the player is defenseless can work well to shake things up, but when the whole game is that way, it starts to feel lacking and contrived. The lack of a weapon doesn't make me feel afraid because I know the entire game was built to accommodate a defenseless player and that the solution will _always_ be to evade.
Also Slender: TEP was created as a direct homage to the webseries Marble Hornets! If you never heard of it you gotta look it up. It is the entire reason this game exists.
Yeah, I've seen the video game over-reactions, and I've NEVER found these walking simulators exciting, interesting, OR scary. Kinda like found-footage films, (where it seemed anybody with a cell-phone wanted to make a Horror movie) to video games using Unity, which are cheap, imitations of the current trend in the video game marketplace.
to note on the 'actionizing of horror', it was less them doing the same thing over and over and more them dialing back on teh horror more and more over time. To the point where it was 'action game but with really creepy/messed up enemies'. EDIT: Another thing was that the games originally still did resource management to a degree. you got to the level of super-human ability simply because you survived long enough and managed things properly to ensure you had that level of ability in the first place.
I don't get why people find walking simulators scary. I find it boring when my only interaction with the spooky boi is when he kills me. So when I get caught my only reaction is "oops, guess I die now" Minecraft legit scares the shit out of me though. Sure I can fight, and the monsters aren't scary at face value, but when I'm carrying valuable stuff and the entire fucking world is out to kill me it can be really tense, and when the loud *TWANG* of a bow in the darkness knocks me off a ledge to my death I go through a full exesitential crisis. If a horror game could capture that exact experience it would no joke be the scariest game I've ever played. And don't say "The Forest" cause that shit was lame.
Well as human beings we all get scared of different things and I’m not going to try to invalidate your experience with the game, however it’s kinda oversimplifying it to call Slender a “Walking Simulator” since there are many elements at play that made this game successful. I’ll try to break down a few of these elements here to help you hopefully understand the other perspective a bit better: 1. The environment: Right off the bat, your character is wandering through the dark with only a flashlight, that happens your only way of navigating the level and it’s on a limited battery. On top of that it only covers so much of your field of view, leaving everything beyond the small pool of light shrouded in mystery. The fog exemplifies this as it also restricts your effective range of vision. 2. Audio: While not the only factor, sound design is crucial in horror, and in my opinion Mark J. Hadley nailed this aspect in both The Eight Pages and The Arrival. It works really well in building anticipation, the soundtrack being virtually nonexistent to begin with, then starting as a low drumbeat, then getting more and more intense as you progress. The jumpscare sound, while admittedly kinda done to death in the hundreds of copycat games that came after, was used effectively in this game. It would trigger your character’s ability to sprint, adding to the overall sense of urgency and desperation to escape, I don’t think it was particularly overused in this game but your opinion may be different to mine in that regard. 3. The Slender Man: He looks fairly goofy if you get a good look at him up close, but at that point your screen is normally too full of static to notice the details on the model (or lack thereof). The fact that you have no actual way to defend against him, and even looking at him has negative effects creates a sense of helplessness. Getting a game over aside, having your vision and hearing obstructed while trying to run away from something can really pile onto panic you’re already feeling. You don’t always know where he is, but he always knows where you are. You can’t hide from him, yet he can appear anywhere at any time. 4. Abilities: Like mentioned above, you can’t look at Slender Man too long, let alone fight against him. Your abilities are limited to walking, running, turning your flashlight on/off, and collecting pages (you can zoom as well but I haven’t found a scenario where this is useful). While you can run, you only have limited stamina and that drains very quickly, and while walking can recover it Slender Man gets faster with each page you collect, and it’s an instant game over if he touches you. Visibility is limited and the flashlight can only last so long, you can turn it off to save battery but in doing so risk losing your bearings and unwittingly putting yourself in a position to be cornered. Your vision can also be obstructed by static should you find yourself staring at Slender Man for a little too long which can also have this effect regardless of whether the flashlight is on or off. There’s also the fact that Slender Man could pop up anywhere and force you to change your direction or attempt to trap you, the bathrooms being one of the most infamous places given its narrow halls and dead ends. Woo this ended up being quite long, and there may be more that I wasn’t able to get to but I hope this is enough to help you understand at least some of the reasons why other people found Slender scary. You may notice a bit of overlap in some of the points and that’s mainly because a game is a composition of a series of elements and as such they are often deeply intertwined.
This guy talking about how the survival horror genre was dead, whilst the ObsCure, Forbidden Siren, and Resident Evil megafans laugh it up in the corner
@Jack C dead space is dead and even if the first one was scary one game does not save a genre and alan wake wasnt all that popular after release and i would say it wasnt all that scary too
@Jack C well i agree but its like the 3d mario games They are here to fill the void but 3d collectathons are still dead Survival horror was made with limitations in mind just like collectathons thats why they were struggling but now both genres are returning with re7 and re2, a hat in time and super mario odyssey
Actually, in call of cuthulu, you didn’t win, sure you beat up a lot of his minions but when you face against the big man himself, the weapon you use to fight all his henchmen practically tickles him, he isn’t even bothered, and in the end your character hangs himself in a insane asylum knowing that he didn’t kill cuthulu and the end is coming.
Slender is a survival horror? What survival mechanisms are there? I mean I guess you survive by avoiding slender but if that was all you needed to be classified as a survival type game then technically every game is a survival game. I think you need some type of consumable resource management at the very least, maybe even some status effectors and weapons to manage. I don't know, not saying I'm the authority on video game genre classification but slender seems like way too simple of a game to be considered survival horror.
I was writing a Slenderman fan game from early in the SomethingAwful and Marble Hornets days, a few years before The Eight Pages. It was going to be a first-person story-driven mystery/investigation style thing, where a primary mechanic would be to seek through video tapes for evidence and so on, much like Marble Hornets, TribeTwelve, and other youtube ARG series' from back then. As the game progressed it would break the forth wall, for example by closing suddenly in the middle of scary sequences or putting files on your desktop that you needed to look at during play. It was a lot of really cool ideas that I had never seen in a game, and I thought it would be neat to make and share. Of course all of this was far too much for just high-schooler me to handle at the time, and it was never completed. As Eight Pages came out and gained popularity, I was disheartened because I knew my game would be seen as a ripoff. Eventually as everyone stopped taking Slenderman seriously as a concept, and games like imscared came out and did all of my metagame ideas to death, I realized there was no longer anything interesting about what I was trying to bring to the table. It wasn't even halfway done anyway, and it had been years, so I just gave up and deleted the project. I still wish that could have gone differently, but I guess I learned a valuable lesson. Or maybe I didn't, since all the games I've tried to write since then have gone more or less the same way.
The only problem I have with the slender man media, is that he is poorly executed and betrayed it many of the wrong ways. I hate how many people tried to use this character as a cash grab, view bait or just ruin his whole character. If it was me creating a slender game or mainly film, I would add some features to the character himself to make him interesting. Or better yet add up to how unstoppable and unknown he truly is. Great video and I like alot of topics you pointed out.
Ultra Overlord X yeah I agree I hate how people used him poorly like all the shitty movies that aren’t even good horror let alone good slender horror. It’s not that hard cuz there’s a good amount of well made games and stories.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls That's why to me the some of the games, mainly slender capture the slender vibe perfectly. Even slender the arrival did slender man justice even if it was like slender the eight pages. Other then that the only key to making slender scary is these 3, Fear of the unknown, and terrior of something unstoppable. And a very strong mental sickness to drive people insane (Slender sickness)
Ultra Overlord X Yeah those are the main ones but due to the lore of slender and the many different stories or versions you can do many things with him and still make it a good slender game or movie or story, he’s underrated now cuz of his over saturation. The movies fail to do any of this well, and they don’t have to go for a straight up physical threat cuz due to the slender sickness or real life events of mentally unstable children then you can do a psychological horror with him, there’s many things you can do with him.
Slenderman stopped being scary for me the moment the eight pages came out. The true scariness behind it used to be researching him on late nights, watching documentaries and webseries and getting gradually more and more nervous cause that was supposed to be how he found you. After the game came out he skyrocketed into meme hell.
I've broken the description into part cause its awful: admit it, you were all over that slendermania when Slender: The eight pages came out and suddenly everyone knew all about marble hornets (no you totally didn't just google it last night and then read synopsis's on Wikipedia) Slender and the Slender Man got big enough to warrant not one but TWO movies and one full blown paid game in the form of Slender: The Arrival... too bad it was lame. At the very least Slender: The Eight Pages was able to steer the genre of survival horror games away from post Resident Evil 4 mediocrity and put the horror back into survival horror before it's own successor was a dud. Your welcome.
@@churlish_hoecake the vid sucks because he's shitting on what a lot of people think, is a good game, and the desc is evil because he didn't split it up.
I do also remember there being 1 game that I liked a bit more, slender haunt, it was a interesting game, a lot more ideas and felt like a full game, just with slender, save states, keys and files, etc, it was a interesting take on it and probably been better then arrival if it got that kind of attention.
The backers thing was because people pre order the game to get access to the beta which was the level where you collect 8 pages like the original game. Markiplier talked about it in his Slender The Arrival Beta (8/8 Completed) video. It had different type of reward tiers actually the website talking about it is still up. Also yeah I know I'm a year late but wanted to mention it. The Reward Tiers were; $5 - Pre-order Discount: We’ll give you a downloadable copy of the game on release, as well as access to our beta test today $10 - Retail Price: Same as the pre-order discount, but you are feeling generous. Thank you! $15 - Soundtrack Edition: You get a downloadable copy of the game, access to the beta, and a downloadable copy of the game’s soundtrack on release day $25 - Special Edition: We’ll send you everything listed above, plus 5 downloadable high resolution paintings from the game $60 - Producer’s Edition: You get everything listed above, plus a very special thank you with your name listed in the game’s credits alongside the developers
Actually, my sister who made fun of me playing videogames, asked me if she could try slenderman Not amnesia, not any other game.. So I agree with you, Slender made games mainstream for a while, and I mean really mainstream. It got to a point where she invited friends and after a while, someone would suggest play slender and everyone just turned off the lights. For me it was shocking, because at that time, gaming wasnt really that big and watching my sister who is really bad at gaming, playing a horror game? It was as bizarre as a white slim tall lurker in the woods.
Around 2012 Unity came to Windows, before that it was Mac only. That’s why it blew up in popularity. I knew someone who worked for Dassauly who made a somewhat popular engine called Virtools, their main selling point was “we’re like Unity but in Windows” Once unity came to Windows soon after Dassault shuttered virtools
UH OH! ITS THE BENDYBOY, WATCH OUT! also, something awful is extremely anti-normie meme, I've been there 10+ years and posting any of the like (or anything with top/bottom text) would be a 6 hour probation, so it's strange he'd add all that trash
There was one moment that got me in the game when I was playing with friends. When we found the teddy bear and played as the kid, when we ran off into the woods, and suddenly I realized the trees weren't trees.
You were pretty close with the original Sender to The Arrival bridge. There was a demo for The Arrival which literally was just the original Slender in the updated engine, and that was essentially the "1.0" version in the chain.
I still think the "Completely helpless painfully asthmatic protagonist" trope is a crutch that get's tiring after a short period. Atmosphere is the real deal when it comes to horror and even if you can fight back a game can still be tense and scary as long as the atmosphere is good, too many horror games also shove the monster in your face too fast and that takes away from the feeling of being stalked by some unknown horror. It's less offensive than the jumpscare crutch but I still prefer that focus be put on building up tension, great atmosphere and letting the players own imagination scare them.
To be honest I think Amnesia and Slender actually killed horror as a genre. While I agree that games like Resident Evil 4 almost don't feel like horror, still there was games like Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero, which made you think how to deal with monsters. What you do in first person horrors is basically walking around and that's it. You don't have choice for fighting monsters or running from them. Even if you have weapons to deal with scary stuff, devs will balance things is such way making sure weapons don't do much in a fight. It's basic stuff - create a walking simulator, add some darkness or fog or both, add some random monster that kill you in 1-3 hits and you have some cheap horror game. But I can say that there is first person horror games I like. Echo Night and Echo Night 2 on PS1. Yeah, old games and I just recently tried and beat second game two times in a row. Unlike Layers of Fear, I was invested saving people's souls rather than solving painter's past.
Daylight was my favorite copycat, when I played it something funny happened, switching difficulty forces the difficulty to reverse, hard was easy and easy was hard, which difficulty is tied to ai aggression and how many documents you had to collect :3
''remember slender saving survival horror?'' no not really, i do remember amnesia saving survival horror and many devs used it as inspiration for their own games which lead to the creation of outlast, inspiring the direction of alien isolation, the PT demo and resident evil 7. there also were some freeware games popped up using the unity engine to capitalise on the resurgence of horror that amnesia created because amnesia videos were really popular. so i wouldn't say slender saved survival horror, it rid the waves that amnesia made, nothing more.
I remember In high school, I made copies of those 8 pages and stuck them into trees in a small wooded area near the local elementary school behind my friend's house, where the kids walked through on their way home. ...I guess that's what I considered fun? Lol. Just... picturing in my head that kids might be freaked out? 🤣
I thought it was general consensus that Dead Space 2 was the best one, I've never heard anybody say it's worse than the first one and most reviews I've found haven't said that.
Everyone has already said it but amnesia and outlast saved horror games. Slender didn’t really do anything those games didn’t. I think this guy just really likes slender man for some reason
"If Nightmare on Elm Street had a bunch of Special forces Psy Ops with mental conditioning specifically to resist freddy instead of a bunch of teenagers looking to party" Oh you mean Dead by Daylight?
Weird but funny detail: Kate, the protagonist from The 8 Pages that can't run for more then 11 inches without having an asthma attack is the same person as the crack addict that chases you endless through the mines.
I do believe that's how she got her Creepypasta name which is very uncreative as it is Kate the Chaser.
It is a little bit ironic though because she can't run very far.
@@fandomfloof9832 Thought it was because her official name is "The Chaser" in the files but story wise her name is Kate.
But yeah, it does fit the "X the Y-er" creepypasta formula.
Which game is she an antagonist in?
@@fuzzybuzzy3159 ... Slender the Arrival.
@@fuzzybuzzy3159 Slender: The Arrival. Though you play as her in a flash back for some reason.
Slenderman was a victim of its own popularity.
Agreed. A monster like Slenderman is only scary the less you know about them.
That's sad. :(
@@WobblesandBean That actually fits his character the hp loevcraft vibe. (Fear of the unknown)
*Suffering from Success*
- A DJ Khaled album
Marble Hornets aged well, though.
"2000s horror game protagonists weren't helpless at all"
*doesn't even mention Silent Hill, not even the shitty ones*
Every Silent Hill gave the player the ability to defend themselves until Shattered Memories.
@@VisserZer0 there where still helpless. Those where just tools to slow down the inevitable
You could actually kill monsters in that game though. Despite your character's build, killing the monsters in your way was still a completely viable option.
In fact, I would even say Silent Hill arms its protagonists better than Resident Evil. Sure, you don't get grenade launchers and flamethrowers, but ammo is much more plentiful, and you get indestructible melee weapons that are powerful as well. It's fairly easy to play through Silent Hill and kill all enemies.
@@VisserZer0 Let's see.. For everyone complaining about Silent Hill not being as survival based as games that are too lazy to code combat and RATHER choose to just code an enemy that moves towards player location eternally forever at a set speed. Well, here are some examples that you completely fail to mention:
For pure defenseless survival horror in Silent Hill there's.. The haunted house in Silent Hill 3 where you have to run or die from the gas attack. There is every encounter and battle with pyramid head in Silent Hill 2 where you cannot ever kill him EVER (for all the people who say its a viable option to kill every enemy in a game with unkillable enemies.. Do you not remember Silent Hill 2 and 4?). SH2 with the Creepers room. Silent Hill 4 had unkillable Ghosts and Walter Sullivan's invincibility. All you could do was run, LONG before Slender... Oftentimes where you would have to collect needed items (like pages) with those ghosts/Walter chasing you.. And then the even deadlier ghosts that came in the 2nd half of the game. The hauntings.. and I'm sure I am forgetting a LOT.
Just like OP said it was quirky FREE game. Near no development or thought went into it when compared to games like Silent Hill and the team that made those first 4. So the fact is that Slender the 8 pages is basically a VERY accessible remake of the ghosts from Silent Hill.. collecting things you need in the level while the ONE ENEMY you cannot kill, the ghost, chases and kills you.
Silent Hill was probably just not mentioned because it was a SERIOUS exception to the typical horror games of the day. But all these people trying to trivialize the quality of its survival elements sound SO FORCED and ludicrous.
Can we all just agree that SCP containment breach needs more love.
SCP CB is and always will be my favourite horror game. Sadly it’s game engine is so out dated
the only horror game that manages to scare me, gotta love it
You are a year older happy birthday
@@jill9783 you don't have a brain therefore your opinion is bad
@@jill9783 you are probably one of those people that also doesn't realize the difference between art style and graphics,also in order to have a good game graphics are the least important thing,you need a good story,you need fun mechanics and you need good level design,sure graphics are used to make the player feel like the game is more realistic but for me the story and sometimes the lack of it(aka mystery) and emotions you feel while playing a game are the reason I feel a game is realistic
While Slender got mainstream attention, Amnesia was the one to save the genre. The first Outlast is generally considered a great game and it's pretty much just an Amnesia clone.
Imagine
Outlast did it better though.
I found Amnesia to be predictable, pretentious, and overrated, personally. It's my least favorite Frictional title. Not that it's a bad game per se. I did enjoy playing it, but the amount of hype it _still_ gets just isn't quite justified in my eyes.
At least Outlast held no pretensions.
And Outlast did it better too. Revisiting Amnesia, it really felt nothing more than a walking simulator. At least Outlast constantly kept me on edge.
@@FEAROWNAGE I'd like my Company Commanders head back please
drink every time he says hot topic
SFtheWolf i cant drink and cringe at the same time
I died
I drank water
Ko
I am now well hydrated from this challenge :D
ngl the first mission of slender the arrival was pretty good, just seeing slenderman watching you and not attacking was creepy as shit
I still remember when Markiplier started his channel and him playing amnesia and slender and him and Yamimash having a competition on who was the real horror champion....where does time go
Kenny the wounded warrior
*oof*
Also, what happened to yamimash?
@@highadmiraljt5853 something with kemstar then he move to twitch but I think he's back on UA-cam?
Yo Yamimash had sex with an underage girl apparently (I think. Don't quote me).
@@sharipenn1183 No. What happened is that the Girl she was dating was 14 but she didn't admit it till later. Then when she told it to Yamimash she went to Keemstar and made up her own story.Most people trusted the Bitch's story, not Yamimash's.There's no proof she did something to her, which makes Yamimash the victim, not her. Yet we people are stupid and trust the ''hopeless girl who was abused'' and now people moved on from his channel because they think he is a pedophille.
@Hidden -S- yep I know,
Slender was fantastic for being made by one dude, probably in his basement. It's one of my favorite Horror games.
When The Arrival came out and turned out to be a shitshow I was 10000% mad. It was Eight Pages with Twice the Budget and Half as Good.
I feel like they missed out on some pretty intense meme opportunities by not asking for $20 originally.
They would've gotten away with it too.
@@CharlatanWonder i actually just brought the The Arrival today so try and make feel bad you cat loving a**hole
Arrival a shitshow?
It had me thrilled, the introduction of Charlie(dlc) and Kate was a nice touch, plus the fact the game followed an interesting story, with unanswered questions for the player to fill in.
Solid 9/10 for me.
I loved The Arrival. I found it much better than the OG eight pages. I liked the story, especially Charlie. That farm section was the scariest horror experience I had in a very long time. And I LOVED the AI of slender in The Arrival. He just feels better to me. And I like the idea of chasers, despite it being "ORIGINAL OC DO NOT STEAL" bait. It gives it a nice twist so it's just not the same thing over and over again.
Slender is not survival horror, it's just standard horror. Survival horror requires the ability to defend yourself, involves puzzle solving. If you're helpless, it's just horror.
That's actually a good point. It's like games today accidentally becoming RPGs while having nothing in terms of actual genre characteristics.
Ehhh, the puzzle solving not so much, but the ability to defend, yes. Take, for example, The Forest. Great survival horror game, but there are very little if any puzzles. A game is survival horror when it has, well, survival and horror aspects. Resource management, the fending off of enemies, etc
In Silent Hill Shatered Memories you can't defend yourself, just scape and solve some puzzles. It still counts as survival horror?
@@NighttimeJuneau Modern games = Have a perk system = now I can call myself RPG :)
@@Grandmaster-Kush Exactly, as if perk-based character progression would be enough in and of itself.
In Slender the Arrival, there is a level called: Retro. That is the original in updated graphics.
Actually, this level is called "Genesis".
@@-foxredstar555-5 I wrote the comment before I unlocked the level. You are correct, but the achievement is Retro Fan. I just got them mixed up. : P
how do you get this?
I feel like talking Slender and not mentioning Amnesia is leaving a huge part of the story out.
This is a slender video, not an amnesia video.
3:31 he mentions Amnesia
Honestly, Amnesia not being free made it harder to get into. Horror is a hard sell to people not already into it. Asking people to pay was a barrier that Slender didn't have holding it back.
@@WarningStrangerDanger That's literally what the op says in his video
as fun as this game was, it launched the worse genre in horror games ever: jump-scare games
jump-scare games are good for nothing reaction based games that only exist to have youtubers play them
i loved slender the 8 pages and slender the arrival but i still think jump-scare games shouldn't be catagorized as horror games
12DAMDO
Looking at you,fnaf
@@highadmiraljt5853 i was so hoping someone would mention that game as example
Horror is a very subjective thing.
Jumpscares can be very tiring, but they do their job (at the cost of engagement).
So yes, jumps care games do belong in horror...as long as the whole game is based on horror. (A la "Spooky's house of jumpscares" and FNAF)
@@12DAMDO
The worst offender is fnaf 3 when it comes to jumpscares.
I feel fnaf is a series one plays for the lore and challenge aspects, honestly. It still deserves to be called horror though.
I honeslty don't think Fnaf is the same type of horror game here.
Slender was not a jumpscare horror, it was more like a stalke horror
You are escaping something, not protecting from something
As someone with their name in the "backer" portion of the credits, you got it for giving them $20 before the game came out, you also got some wallpapers and a piece of concept art with the team's signatures on it.
Can you give me a link to these wallpapers?
Me Playing Slender:
The Bathrooms: Im about to end this mans whole career.
If you think thats bad play fnaf vr
That's why you alaways do the bathrooms first
That humming noise in the background made me think my pc was about to explode.
I intentionally chose those music tracks as they were tagged with unnerving. It seems to have worked.
@@CharlatanWonder Thought it was some audio feedback or something. It indeed worked quite well. I even stopped the video a few times to make sure of the source.
@@CharlatanWonder Because of this noise i cant watch the video to the end. I hate it... not in a good way
The Big biggest horror of any gamer
Silent hill broke the "super comando" trope far before those games...
Silent Hill came out before those games my dude, and even though I'm a huge fan I'm willing to say that Silent Hill actually ended up worse than Resident Evil despite originally being the better franchise.
Honestly the only good silent hills for me are 1,2 SM and Downpour (I liked the story if you play the patched version is a tolerable game). I don't like silent hill 3 cuz every time I play I get some serious bad headache
@@notspiderman4158 what about origins?
@@nikolasferreira3247 never played, so I guess I can't say anything
In terms of visual design, yes. But in gameplay practice, you still were able to fight back against the monsters and resource conservation was still the name of the game.
The Resident Evil series and Dead Space series didn’t lose popularity because they were doing the same old thing, but because they were becoming more and more action oriented. RE4 and Dead Space (and arguably the second one) were true horror games due to the pacing and atmosphere. Although they had action, that was not their main schtick.
I'd argue that RE4 is an action game before a horror game. The previous entries were horror games with action. RE4 is an action game with horror.
@@VisserZer0 I'd argue that re was always meant to be relatively action oriented but because of the limitations of gaming back then capcom highlighted more horror elements in the first releases.
@@rorrim0 Yes, the original RE was intended to be an action game at first. But what was intended and what we got are not the same product.
@@VisserZer0 I'd argue that the first re's are more action oriented then you give them credit for at least during their time.
However even if they weren't if you look back at RE in context that it was a series meant to be action with heavy horror elements, Re 5 and Re 6 make sense. It's really just the pacing has changed.
Vasily Malyy exactly, EA were trying to get more people so they put more action, DS2 was the right balance I think but they went too far for DS3, the dlc was better but all the tontee problems were too much and they just abandoned the game sadly
Amnesia deserves more credit for the defenseless protagonist thing. Or just Frictional Games in general, look at their penumbra series from before Amnesia.
Yeah, Soma is a painfully underappreciated masterpiece. There aren't many developers willing to take risks, like exploring the horror in existentialism instead of taking the easy route and making a cheap jumpscare-fest.
you could defend yourself in penumbra tho
@@dotcomgamingd5564 Only in the first game.
@@SuprememessageNG oh you cant in black plague? damn
I'm kind of sad about how the oversaturation of copycats lead to some actually decent ideas becoming casualties. The one I remember the most was a greenlit, almost exactly Slender, game that was 4 player co-op versus either an AI or player controller Slender-esque monster. It had basically the same goal as Slender, but like x2 the amount of stuff you needed to find and a much larger / more complex map. You also had to talk through the in-game chats that the monster could read or hear if they were close enough. Seemed like a pretty unique idea until it got caught up in the large wave of games in development that basically stopped production to figure out how to market themselves as not a Slender game. Then Dead by Daylight came out 3 years ago and basically took away any chance of the game being particularly unique should it ever release. I think the game used to have another name, but it's called "Faceless" at the moment.
I remember that game it seemed dope af
Waldeo Iirc Faceless is still in development, they had a bit of a setback because they moved it to UE4 though.
I think the game's original name was "White Noise." I remember reading about it; pretty solid.
I really think this guy was just too young to have played Amnesia, since he mentions playing this in high school. Slender itself was a response to Ammesia, along with basically all first person hide and seek sims that came out around then.
I made a video once called “Every Slender video on UA-cam” where I just screamed at nothing for 60 seconds, and it went semi-viral with a Kotaku article made about it. I had a fantastic time, and I felt like it worked because people got so tired of the overreactions on UA-cam. So I’m thankful.
*Halloween in July, my favourite*
I dont think that call of cthulu DCOE fits well in the criticsm about powerful commando competent characters. Most of the game was not that.
Very much so. Charlatan fouled his ball HARD with that one.
The renaissance of horror in the early 2010s was great but it also lead to games not being made for the player, but for the viewer. Games made for lets playing but not made to really be played for enjoyment first hand
The ironic thing is you pan the game for using the same plot point over and over, yet you just repeat the same hot topic joke over and over.
Lets not forget that it did trigger games like Layers of Fear, Outlast etc
They all seem to get more attention after Slender.
I feel bad for Slendy. He went from a creepy monster known for an awesome webseries, to a joke from a game that everyone rushed to copy.
Same. And then being the obsession of some evil girls who tried to take the life of an innocent peer. Which also ended up being spat on with some crap ass movie. Respect for Marble Hornets.
@@sonicroachdoggjrraven3263 Yeah. Respect for them, and Tribe Twelve
You forgot about one movie.
The one by Sony.
And that was trending on UA-cam once.
that's the movie he was talking about
Are you sure Amnesia: The Dark Descent doesn't deserve the credit for revitalizing the survival horror genre? It came out 2 years before Slender and kicked off the whole exaggerated reaction let's play genre that Slender merely contributed to.
EDIT: I went and checked the views on both Pewdiepie's Amnesia videos and Slender video, and the Slender video does have about 5x more views than the Amnesia one (13 million compared to million), but it's still difficult to say Slender was THE GAME that revitalized the survival horror genre.
Guess thats why this guy only has 33k subs.
@@theonly0ne1 you only have 1
@Daniel von Strangle we were talking about subs
I remember Amnesia being a bit of a critical daring. I played it and liked it. But it was a pc release (first console released was on 2016) so pretty much only small portion of people i.e. people who primarily game on PCs could have played it.
Slenderman on the other hand, was a social phenomenon. Kids loved it, and so did young adults. As far as its sphere of influence goes, I'd say Slenderman is much greater. Afterall, it was a UA-cam ARG started in 2009 that is thought of as kicking off the slenderman popularity. The games are just riding on the bandwagon.
Slenderman games are all pretty shit though. Maybe there's one or two mediocre ones, but all forgettable. But no doubt it Slenderman's already well-known brand that got most people who would not have even looked at a horror game to try it.
@@jehehehedias5881 *laughs in 13 subs*
Okay maybe half are from borrowing a friends phone to show them a video and subbing to myself.
I can’t believe I just had to hear “glomping” in 2020 with my good face ears
Did you forget about Amnesia?
Shock N Awe That's why it's called Amnesia.
Nicholas Mize That was sorta the joke. lol
Unity was popular on flash games. I remember playing unity games on kongregate before slender but after slender the flash scene died quite a bit
I think what killed off flash games a lot was when it became easier for indies to get onto the steam store.
Slender turned Horror Games into walking simulators full of cheap jump scares. It didnt save Horror it all, it made it worse
terriblecertainity You could at least try to make your bait less obvious.
@@TheWalshinator well, if you want to think that this is bait, go on with it. I never understood the appeal of this game...it barely has any gameplay
ok zoomer
Man the first time I saw this game, I was at a frat party, drunk off my ass along with everyone else. We were in some dude’s dorm and he had Slender projected on a wall. We all had a great time screaming for this dude to run constantly. Ah memories.
Did you know?: Toonami did a highlight piece on Slender years back when it was popular. They had a great score, according to Toonami 'S Jeff Blum robot.
I think Dead Space 3 was received poorly because of its own problems, not because of how Slender changed people's preferences and expectations for horror games
u kinda got it wrong in the Slender the arrival story. So the protagonist (Lauren) goes to investigate the dissappearance of Kate (protagonist from 8 pages) who was investigating with a friend (maybe) called CR about the dissappearance of Charlie Matheson Jr. (kid in the posters. Not the hooded person. That is Kate) .
Also, as everyone else is saying, Amnesia: The Dark Descent deserves a lot of credit for bringing up PC horror games. My last comment about all this is that, while not scary upon learning of the games mechanics, is that the “hot topic kid” is actually TERRIFYING when you don’t know how to handle him. I SCREECHED when he first ran at me.
The people talking up Amnesia aren't getting the point of the video, hes not saying that Slender was so good that it set an example of quality for horror games. His point was that it was so easily available that everyone played it, and so easy to replicate that lots of people made their own horror games. There's a difference between a revival of popularity and a revival of quality, and as he comments in the video, despite making horror games popular, it didn't inspire "good" content, which was its downfall.
Naota Kenichi Ah I see, there were a lot of slender games and ripoffs, most of them badly done or lazy but there were a good amount of well made ones or decent ones like the Slender Shadow Series which Mark played.
And honestly Slender isn’t the only thing that was copied and made into shitty games cuz it’s nothing new but a lot of people did do it due to the popularity, and I don’t think it was all bad though, it’s hard to explain.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls I mean yeah, since then we've gotten tons of FNAF clones as well, but the fun thing about those is that they're hard to fuck up and easy innovate on. Like even the most direvative ones could be playable, and some of the best ecplise the series it was inspired by. So its not like nothing of quality came from it, and its not bad that people do it. A lot of young devs cut their teeth on these types of fan projects.
But Slender isn't a survival-horror.
Well you do have to survive, and it's a horror game XD lol jk I know what you mean
Let's Plays have had commentary for longer than you think, Charlatan. It was a core part of screenshot LPs before video was even a feasible idea.
This man never heard of The Dark Id or Helloween4545, seems like.
I thought RE4 was terrifying, but not for the usual reasons. Playing in pro mode means youre not really a super soldier anymore. You die extremely fast when youre not 100% focused. Makes you panic and scream at the silliest things. You feel like youre only just making it through every fight and it wears you down more and more. Its kinda like what they did with the latest RE games, except 4 was much more frantic. Still scary, but in a much more different way than usual horror.
That being said, this is only the pro mode, so the vanilla game is kinda lacking in the horror (excluding the usual body horror and stuff)
I also get why people find games like amnesia and outlast scary, but I feel really detached from the protagonist when I cant even TRY to fight back (even if its guaranteed to kill me anyway) and so a lot of the horror is missed for me. I tend to get more scared when I'm forced to face the horrible creature stalking me head-on.
A lot of tension from early survival horror games, Resident Evil in particular, came from decision making. Every time you encountered an enemy, you needed to asses the situation and determine if it was worth using supplies to take it out or not. There was a fair amount of strategy involved and you needed to think on your feet as you would if you were really in the protagonists' shoes. "Run and hide" horror almost completely eliminates this element. I think short sections in which the player is defenseless can work well to shake things up, but when the whole game is that way, it starts to feel lacking and contrived. The lack of a weapon doesn't make me feel afraid because I know the entire game was built to accommodate a defenseless player and that the solution will _always_ be to evade.
Also Slender: TEP was created as a direct homage to the webseries Marble Hornets! If you never heard of it you gotta look it up. It is the entire reason this game exists.
Saibi Sureddo oh ok thx
Yeah, I've seen the video game over-reactions, and I've NEVER found these walking simulators exciting, interesting, OR scary. Kinda like found-footage films, (where it seemed anybody with a cell-phone wanted to make a Horror movie) to video games using Unity, which are cheap, imitations of the current trend in the video game marketplace.
to note on the 'actionizing of horror', it was less them doing the same thing over and over and more them dialing back on teh horror more and more over time. To the point where it was 'action game but with really creepy/messed up enemies'.
EDIT: Another thing was that the games originally still did resource management to a degree. you got to the level of super-human ability simply because you survived long enough and managed things properly to ensure you had that level of ability in the first place.
Amnesia walked so that Slenderman could run.
I liked The Arrival.
Me too. I thought it was the best slender game in my opinion
Same. And I've heard that they are remaking the game. It's called Slender Revisited and going to be released next year.
Arrival fans unite!!
I cringe every time I hear someone say "normie" un-ironically
I cringe every time
i cringe
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Slenderman: murders
Proxy: :3c
I don't get why people find walking simulators scary.
I find it boring when my only interaction with the spooky boi is when he kills me. So when I get caught my only reaction is "oops, guess I die now"
Minecraft legit scares the shit out of me though. Sure I can fight, and the monsters aren't scary at face value, but when I'm carrying valuable stuff and the entire fucking world is out to kill me it can be really tense, and when the loud *TWANG* of a bow in the darkness knocks me off a ledge to my death I go through a full exesitential crisis.
If a horror game could capture that exact experience it would no joke be the scariest game I've ever played.
And don't say "The Forest" cause that shit was lame.
Silent hill 2
Well as human beings we all get scared of different things and I’m not going to try to invalidate your experience with the game, however it’s kinda oversimplifying it to call Slender a “Walking Simulator” since there are many elements at play that made this game successful.
I’ll try to break down a few of these elements here to help you hopefully understand the other perspective a bit better:
1. The environment: Right off the bat, your character is wandering through the dark with only a flashlight, that happens your only way of navigating the level and it’s on a limited battery. On top of that it only covers so much of your field of view, leaving everything beyond the small pool of light shrouded in mystery. The fog exemplifies this as it also restricts your effective range of vision.
2. Audio: While not the only factor, sound design is crucial in horror, and in my opinion Mark J. Hadley nailed this aspect in both The Eight Pages and The Arrival. It works really well in building anticipation, the soundtrack being virtually nonexistent to begin with, then starting as a low drumbeat, then getting more and more intense as you progress. The jumpscare sound, while admittedly kinda done to death in the hundreds of copycat games that came after, was used effectively in this game. It would trigger your character’s ability to sprint, adding to the overall sense of urgency and desperation to escape, I don’t think it was particularly overused in this game but your opinion may be different to mine in that regard.
3. The Slender Man: He looks fairly goofy if you get a good look at him up close, but at that point your screen is normally too full of static to notice the details on the model (or lack thereof). The fact that you have no actual way to defend against him, and even looking at him has negative effects creates a sense of helplessness. Getting a game over aside, having your vision and hearing obstructed while trying to run away from something can really pile onto panic you’re already feeling.
You don’t always know where he is, but he always knows where you are. You can’t hide from him, yet he can appear anywhere at any time.
4. Abilities: Like mentioned above, you can’t look at Slender Man too long, let alone fight against him. Your abilities are limited to walking, running, turning your flashlight on/off, and collecting pages (you can zoom as well but I haven’t found a scenario where this is useful).
While you can run, you only have limited stamina and that drains very quickly, and while walking can recover it Slender Man gets faster with each page you collect, and it’s an instant game over if he touches you.
Visibility is limited and the flashlight can only last so long, you can turn it off to save battery but in doing so risk losing your bearings and unwittingly putting yourself in a position to be cornered. Your vision can also be obstructed by static should you find yourself staring at Slender Man for a little too long which can also have this effect regardless of whether the flashlight is on or off.
There’s also the fact that Slender Man could pop up anywhere and force you to change your direction or attempt to trap you, the bathrooms being one of the most infamous places given its narrow halls and dead ends.
Woo this ended up being quite long, and there may be more that I wasn’t able to get to but I hope this is enough to help you understand at least some of the reasons why other people found Slender scary.
You may notice a bit of overlap in some of the points and that’s mainly because a game is a composition of a series of elements and as such they are often deeply intertwined.
@@TheWalshinator Sorry. When I posted my comment I wasn't asking for an essay. I'm sure you've got a point, but I'm not going to read all of that.
Halloween in July?
So....like Summerween?
/gravity falls theme starts playing in the background/
This guy talking about how the survival horror genre was dead, whilst the ObsCure, Forbidden Siren, and Resident Evil megafans laugh it up in the corner
Everyone was thinking that re wasnt scary and while fs and oc was good horror games they werent popular to make the genre go foward
@Jack C dead space is dead and even if the first one was scary one game does not save a genre and alan wake wasnt all that popular after release and i would say it wasnt all that scary too
@Jack C after 2012 is when the genre started to be popular again
@Jack C well i agree but its like the 3d mario games
They are here to fill the void but 3d collectathons are still dead
Survival horror was made with limitations in mind just like collectathons thats why they were struggling but now both genres are returning with re7 and re2, a hat in time and super mario odyssey
@Jack C well yes
Halloween in July (at the time you originally released this)?! I think it’s time to pull out the Jack O’Melons and celebrate Summerween
AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT THIS YEAR TOO!!! It's not like this year could possibly get any more chaotic.
Actually, in call of cuthulu, you didn’t win, sure you beat up a lot of his minions but when you face against the big man himself, the weapon you use to fight all his henchmen practically tickles him, he isn’t even bothered, and in the end your character hangs himself in a insane asylum knowing that he didn’t kill cuthulu and the end is coming.
That and the damage system, plus they had a "defenseless" part too like when you're getting attacked in the inn from locals.
Slender is a survival horror? What survival mechanisms are there? I mean I guess you survive by avoiding slender but if that was all you needed to be classified as a survival type game then technically every game is a survival game. I think you need some type of consumable resource management at the very least, maybe even some status effectors and weapons to manage. I don't know, not saying I'm the authority on video game genre classification but slender seems like way too simple of a game to be considered survival horror.
Our guy here has never heard of Penumbra games
What was the Yu-Gi-Oh abridged refference?
Idk
Maybe twenty dollars mode?
I was writing a Slenderman fan game from early in the SomethingAwful and Marble Hornets days, a few years before The Eight Pages. It was going to be a first-person story-driven mystery/investigation style thing, where a primary mechanic would be to seek through video tapes for evidence and so on, much like Marble Hornets, TribeTwelve, and other youtube ARG series' from back then. As the game progressed it would break the forth wall, for example by closing suddenly in the middle of scary sequences or putting files on your desktop that you needed to look at during play. It was a lot of really cool ideas that I had never seen in a game, and I thought it would be neat to make and share.
Of course all of this was far too much for just high-schooler me to handle at the time, and it was never completed. As Eight Pages came out and gained popularity, I was disheartened because I knew my game would be seen as a ripoff. Eventually as everyone stopped taking Slenderman seriously as a concept, and games like imscared came out and did all of my metagame ideas to death, I realized there was no longer anything interesting about what I was trying to bring to the table. It wasn't even halfway done anyway, and it had been years, so I just gave up and deleted the project. I still wish that could have gone differently, but I guess I learned a valuable lesson. Or maybe I didn't, since all the games I've tried to write since then have gone more or less the same way.
Considering Amnesia came out 2 years prior I highly doubt Slender The 8 Pages made any kind of revolutionary achievement.
So 5x the exposure and 10x the influence is nothing?
@@V2ULTRAKill Popular ≠ revolutionary
are you dumb
that glomping description violates my N.A.P and i am suing for damages
The only problem I have with the slender man media, is that he is poorly executed and betrayed it many of the wrong ways. I hate how many people tried to use this character as a cash grab, view bait or just ruin his whole character. If it was me creating a slender game or mainly film, I would add some features to the character himself to make him interesting. Or better yet add up to how unstoppable and unknown he truly is. Great video and I like alot of topics you pointed out.
Ultra Overlord X yeah I agree I hate how people used him poorly like all the shitty movies that aren’t even good horror let alone good slender horror.
It’s not that hard cuz there’s a good amount of well made games and stories.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls That's why to me the some of the games, mainly slender capture the slender vibe perfectly. Even slender the arrival did slender man justice even if it was like slender the eight pages. Other then that the only key to making slender scary is these 3, Fear of the unknown, and terrior of something unstoppable. And a very strong mental sickness to drive people insane (Slender sickness)
Ultra Overlord X Yeah those are the main ones but due to the lore of slender and the many different stories or versions you can do many things with him and still make it a good slender game or movie or story, he’s underrated now cuz of his over saturation.
The movies fail to do any of this well, and they don’t have to go for a straight up physical threat cuz due to the slender sickness or real life events of mentally unstable children then you can do a psychological horror with him, there’s many things you can do with him.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls I agree
Slender definitely helped to popularize Unity amongst indie devs, yes.
Slenderman: *teleports behind you* nOtHiNg pErSoNeL KiD
6:10 THE CHAIRS CHASING US!!!!!!!! thE cHAiR
(if you get that reference i love you)
Slenderman stopped being scary for me the moment the eight pages came out. The true scariness behind it used to be researching him on late nights, watching documentaries and webseries and getting gradually more and more nervous cause that was supposed to be how he found you.
After the game came out he skyrocketed into meme hell.
I've broken the description into part cause its awful:
admit it, you were all over that slendermania when Slender: The eight pages came out and suddenly everyone knew all about marble hornets (no you totally didn't just google it last night and then read synopsis's on Wikipedia)
Slender and the Slender Man got big enough to warrant not one but TWO movies and one full blown paid game in the form of Slender: The Arrival... too bad it was lame.
At the very least Slender: The Eight Pages was able to steer the genre of survival horror games away from post Resident Evil 4 mediocrity and put the horror back into survival horror before it's own
successor was a dud.
Your welcome.
Huh?
@@churlish_hoecake This video sucks and the desc is evil.
CreativePeople Inc. I forgot about this conversation. But... why does this video suck, and how is the description evil?
@@churlish_hoecake the vid sucks because he's shitting on what a lot of people think, is a good game, and the desc is evil because he didn't split it up.
@gamewizard I what? when did i say that?
I do also remember there being 1 game that I liked a bit more, slender haunt, it was a interesting game, a lot more ideas and felt like a full game, just with slender, save states, keys and files, etc, it was a interesting take on it and probably been better then arrival if it got that kind of attention.
Hellboy Troy3 Slender Haunt was one of the better slender games I remember, people forget the good ones, like the Slender Shadow Maps that Mark played
Happy summerween everyone
Took a whole month for someone to pick up on where i got the idea, congrats!
I was on a forum that the guy posted about it on early, felt super weird seeing it everywhere a few weeks later.
The backers thing was because people pre order the game to get access to the beta which was the level where you collect 8 pages like the original game. Markiplier talked about it in his Slender The Arrival Beta (8/8 Completed) video. It had different type of reward tiers actually the website talking about it is still up. Also yeah I know I'm a year late but wanted to mention it.
The Reward Tiers were;
$5 - Pre-order Discount: We’ll give you a downloadable copy of the game on release, as well as access to our beta test today
$10 - Retail Price: Same as the pre-order discount, but you are feeling generous. Thank you!
$15 - Soundtrack Edition: You get a downloadable copy of the game, access to the beta, and a downloadable copy of the game’s soundtrack on release day
$25 - Special Edition: We’ll send you everything listed above, plus 5 downloadable high resolution paintings from the game
$60 - Producer’s Edition: You get everything listed above, plus a very special thank you with your name listed in the game’s credits alongside the developers
Okay but Slender the Arrival was very scary, and it had a great atmosphere and story to it, arguably better than the first game.
I feel both are good, original's good for a quick play but the arrival's good for story
don joe absolutely!
wow way to throw dark conners of the earth under the buss the hotel escape seane one of the best horror game moments out there
Yes!!! Thank you for this comment, I was thinking the same thing!
One good setpiece in a lackluster overrated game. BTW, the escape in The Shadow Over Innsmouth is a lot cooler.
Youre videos are always very intellectually minded, i appreciate your youtube channel.
YOU MENTIONED MY FAVORITE SERIES! YASSS
11 drunk guys FTW.
Actually, my sister who made fun of me playing videogames, asked me if she could try slenderman
Not amnesia, not any other game..
So I agree with you, Slender made games mainstream for a while, and I mean really mainstream.
It got to a point where she invited friends and after a while, someone would suggest play slender and everyone just turned off the lights.
For me it was shocking, because at that time, gaming wasnt really that big and watching my sister who is really bad at gaming, playing a horror game? It was as bizarre as a white slim tall lurker in the woods.
Around 2012 Unity came to Windows, before that it was Mac only. That’s why it blew up in popularity. I knew someone who worked for Dassauly who made a somewhat popular engine called Virtools, their main selling point was “we’re like Unity but in Windows” Once unity came to Windows soon after Dassault shuttered virtools
There was a kickstarter or something for the arrival.
UH OH! ITS THE BENDYBOY, WATCH OUT!
also, something awful is extremely anti-normie meme, I've been there 10+ years and posting any of the like (or anything with top/bottom text) would be a 6 hour probation, so it's strange he'd add all that trash
Because you gotta get that Hot Topic $$$.
There was one moment that got me in the game when I was playing with friends. When we found the teddy bear and played as the kid, when we ran off into the woods, and suddenly I realized the trees weren't trees.
You were pretty close with the original Sender to The Arrival bridge. There was a demo for The Arrival which literally was just the original Slender in the updated engine, and that was essentially the "1.0" version in the chain.
The Slender game that came out after this one, whatever it was called, was pretty good in my opinion. It terrified me, especially the farm map.
Wait, you mean that for phones?
Slender Rising?
@@goldenmajin4073 What?
@@-foxredstar555-5 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Rising
This one
For some weird reason it got removed, strange
Jesus christ I feel old hearing this dude talking about slender and LPs like they were a rare thing in 2012
I still think the "Completely helpless painfully asthmatic protagonist" trope is a crutch that get's tiring after a short period.
Atmosphere is the real deal when it comes to horror and even if you can fight back a game can still be tense and scary as long as the atmosphere is good, too many horror games also shove the monster in your face too fast and that takes away from the feeling of being stalked by some unknown horror.
It's less offensive than the jumpscare crutch but I still prefer that focus be put on building up tension, great atmosphere and letting the players own imagination scare them.
the only thing I remember about the Slender games is the name of this one guy that in spanish means "to the extinguisher" and it cracks me up, thas it
To be honest I think Amnesia and Slender actually killed horror as a genre. While I agree that games like Resident Evil 4 almost don't feel like horror, still there was games like Resident Evil Remake and Resident Evil Zero, which made you think how to deal with monsters.
What you do in first person horrors is basically walking around and that's it. You don't have choice for fighting monsters or running from them. Even if you have weapons to deal with scary stuff, devs will balance things is such way making sure weapons don't do much in a fight.
It's basic stuff - create a walking simulator, add some darkness or fog or both, add some random monster that kill you in 1-3 hits and you have some cheap horror game.
But I can say that there is first person horror games I like. Echo Night and Echo Night 2 on PS1. Yeah, old games and I just recently tried and beat second game two times in a row. Unlike Layers of Fear, I was invested saving people's souls rather than solving painter's past.
Daylight was my favorite copycat, when I played it something funny happened, switching difficulty forces the difficulty to reverse, hard was easy and easy was hard, which difficulty is tied to ai aggression and how many documents you had to collect :3
''remember slender saving survival horror?'' no not really, i do remember amnesia saving survival horror and many devs used it as inspiration for their own games which lead to the creation of outlast, inspiring the direction of alien isolation, the PT demo and resident evil 7. there also were some freeware games popped up using the unity engine to capitalise on the resurgence of horror that amnesia created because amnesia videos were really popular. so i wouldn't say slender saved survival horror, it rid the waves that amnesia made, nothing more.
How slenderman messed up 1. The movie how he saved it 2. He made 2 amazing games
8-bit misfits there’s a few movies and they all suck sadly lol
this dude really hates kids that go to hot topic lol
I remember In high school, I made copies of those 8 pages and stuck them into trees in a small wooded area near the local elementary school behind my friend's house, where the kids walked through on their way home.
...I guess that's what I considered fun? Lol.
Just... picturing in my head that kids might be freaked out? 🤣
Dangerous Idea: Take a shot every time this guy says "NoRmiEs" or references Hot Topic
There was an YGOTAS reference in Slender?
Forget Christmas and July We have Halloween in July now
I thought it was general consensus that Dead Space 2 was the best one, I've never heard anybody say it's worse than the first one and most reviews I've found haven't said that.
Everyone has already said it but amnesia and outlast saved horror games. Slender didn’t really do anything those games didn’t. I think this guy just really likes slender man for some reason
"If Nightmare on Elm Street had a bunch of Special forces Psy Ops with mental conditioning specifically to resist freddy instead of a bunch of teenagers looking to party"
Oh you mean Dead by Daylight?
Damn thanks for reminding me I started watching UA-cam for the animators but now all I do is watch let's plays. I'm part of the problem
8:10 I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers them
12:40 that’s actually be a pretty clever gameplay loop if the AI was any good