I don't see why Tempest has issues with Sami interaction with Jey & or Jimmy. Jimmy vouched for Sami to join the Bloodline & Jey stood up for Sami when Roman wanted to kick him out. When Sami left & turned on Roman Jey didn't want to fight Sami he only turned on Zayn when Reigns threatened to harm Jimmy. It makes sense that despite everything they've been through that Sami Zayn as a character would still care for The USOS well being. He was in the bloodline for nearly a year he saw Roman manipulate & abuse Jey & he knew after war games that Roman was trying to manipulate & abuse him. It makes sense for Sami Zayn as a baby face to want to redeem himself by helping two guys who brought him into the group & stood up for him.
i thibk it more has to do with the constant segments of sami talking to Jey. i think right after wrestlemania, it started to get stale and feel less important every time it happened so i think making it be subtle this time was way more effective
I get that to an extent but to me Sami very much the angel on Jey shoulders trying to guide him on the right path while Heyman is the devil on his shoulders
Across Charlotte's 14 main roster world title reigns she's accumulated 983 days as champ which averages out to about 70 days as champ per reign. 6 reigns were less than a month and 4 were over 100 days.
A lot to discuss for this SmackDown. That Bianca promo was great. It's almost like her being Champ was never the problem, it was the weak storylines they gave her. Give her something to chew on and she's great(Sasha feud, Becky Feud, Bayley feud). Charlotte is a weird character, she's can't do anything without a title and that's sad because she's a great performer. The Bloodline is once again the best story in wrestling, I wonder where this goes after MITB. Roman v Jey possibly but I think he'll enter a Title program with Lashley.
The Sami stuff is great character play as him being silent and nodding is far more impactful because we had those multiple segments of him talking with Jey on smackdown previously
Cross needs to have us in the same mind set that Orton does, we don't know when he'll strike or where. Have only one or two max promos about the next victim and let his actions do the rest of the talking
Bianca’s one title reign is roughly half of all of Charlottes. And I think her long raw women’s champion reign is longer than all of charlottes raw title reigns combined 😅
Just how this whole storyline started with just jey facing roman, the very very final closing bit of this storyline should be just a one on one jey vs Roman where jey wins with no jimmy, Paul or anyone else at Ringside or interfering in the match.
I feel like WWE would do incredibly well if they brought back job guys. Karrion Kross is the right kind of spooky for me and he's good in the ring. AJ Styles is a main event level talent. A matchup between the two should feel big. But, because we have to always have matches between two people who shouldn't be losing, one of them has to lose.
Karrion Kross Booking : I think they need to work on his character more. Ideally, remove Scarlett from him (maybe book her to be injured and away) that messes with him psychologically, we see how much he depended on Scarlett as a guide for him. Karrion goes feral, start attacking people, winning but he is lost. Then build his character from there.
They should go back to the Scarlett hourglass thing. Someone winning a tough match and then the lights going out, smoke filling the ring side area, and Scarlett appearing with the hourglass. Gently sliding it into the ring, doing her giggle or blowing a kiss or whatever, and then disappearing into the smoke. Then, you need to pay that off with old Lance Archer style backstage segments where he puts a dude through the ceiling or throws him down a flight of stairs. Use him to write people off TV when they need a vacation or something.
Pretty Deadly has been doing well but there been other call ups that are doing well like Gunther Solo Sokia , Zoey Starks is killing it , now that Triple H is in charge he is making sure the Landscape off WWE changes.
insane that this 2 hour show only had around 28 mins of actual wrestling. Sat naming a bunch of the dirt worst women's gimmicks as examples of people trying different things.
The comprehension of wrestletalk never fails to amaze me. Jey being surprised about Jimmy not wanting Jey to be the tribal chief because when he Jimmy first said it, it was more about him being a bad guy (they were faces) and Romans bitch (nobodys bitch). Now its being framed by Roman to say no Jimmy is jealous. Two completely different things. Really not that hard guys. Plus plus everything Jey was saying can still be true, but its secondary to his brother. Jesus. Storytelling guys.
The ONLY way this works is if in the tag match between the usos and Roman and Solo, is if the USOS WIN. If Roman pins them, then this segment meant NOTHING. The Usos have to show Roman that they can succeed outside of the Bloodline.
Am I the only one who feels like this was a bit lackluster? I love the storyline and I love everything that has happened in the storyline but I just think that this was too early for a final decision to be made if they were going to continue this story past WrestleMania.
I agree that it’s gonna be difficult to stretch the story out to mania if that is the plan (where Roman drops the title) BUT it doesn’t take away how incredible the moment was , lacklustre isn’t the word for the actual face turn , it was quite the opposite imo
At a moment when Monday Night RAW was becoming better than Friday Night SmackDown 🎉! The Tribal Chief 🦁🏆🏆🏆 with three titles and Bloodline ☝️ splits like the Beatles!
I thought they were going to have solo vs jimmy or roman vs jimmy at MITB and jey was going to turn on the bloodline and help jimmy win. Then they could have the tag match at summerslam. I hope that since the tag match is happening at MITB that jey will fight roman 1 on 1 one more time at summerslam.
Yeah this was full circle I love the Bloodline story line now we get Roman and Solo vs the Uso's this will be a good tag team main event match, I think Solo will be the next one to leave eventually lol.
A big thank you to the second host asking temptest what he would do to make things better. I think it brings out a lot more than the negativity tempest brings to the show a lot of the time.
Jey is gonna leave you. And Jimmy will leave you too. And guess what happens then. Solo leaves you too. And this man… well he becomes an advocate again. And there you'll be, a man without a family. A Roman with no more reigns. A chief without a tribe.
smackdown becoming the show with gauntlets that bury the whole division of their respective matches. idk what Triple H is thinking booking like this. why reform the LWO and have Bad Bunny sponsor them when they’re just gonna lose every time? also Pretty Deadly should be a jobber to the stars team, not a main event tag team, i don’t think their gimmick has that high of a ceiling especially to a casual audience
Tempest is always so grumpy and crappy if his favourites lose 😅 . I really fail to see why he sh1ts on Kross all the time, it's clear that "someone's" input changed his direction in booking as when he returned he knocked the hell out of Drew and put Roman on notice. ⌛️ Look wrestling is subjective, beauty's in the eye etc. I for one can't stand Bobby Lashley gimmick but Tempest seems to love it. The fairest guy on wrestletalk imo is Sat , he's also funnier than the mon-fri crew . More sat please
1st In my mind WWE has a good storyline but i think that Roman holding the title still makes me think it is like a Brock thing where WWE has no plans to take the title off him... Which is kind of boring writing of itself in my opinion. There's actual no threat to Roman other than Brock, Bray, or Edge really yet he kind of defeated all of them beforehand. I think even if Dwyane does come back to the WWE there still going to have to extend Roman's whole regin thing and i think that's even worse booking on WWE's part cause what is Roman actually going to do have a 1 vs 2 match with the Usos or do have a tag team match with Sami coming back...? It is kind of predictable in my opinion and less intriguing when They left the belt on Roman for that long and than having someone new take the belt kind of buries Roman in my opinion if he were to lose the title. 2nd However unlike Brock Roman is willing to do whatever WWE wants to do with him and i think it is a good thing that Triple H has some final say in what has to be put out there. Plus it isn't like Roman is a part time dude he is there most of the time trying to get himself over. Brock kind of buried the title in my mind like yeah you could say "Oh but look at the way he was protected in matches and whatever holding the title for that many days" well no you drew your fans just watching WWE safe $hit stuff that it always does...
31:30 that’s so true that the talk shows now are hosted by wooden boards who act the same and aren’t entertaining and captivating anymore, they’re just some guys
I feel like roman will be pinned at MITB if its the usos vs him and solo to further establish in his character that hes just a man and everything around him is falling apart.
Jesus tempest we all know you don't like karrion damn lol I just think they shouldn't have him pull a card then lose he should win the 1st match that nakamura feud really bothered me smh lol
First rikshi is sika brother.. that is why roman their uncle.. 2 jimmy was told before hand that jey was gonna be right hand man.. and jimmy said no... That separate from the nobody b
Rikishi is not Sika’s brother. Sika is Rikishi’s uncle so that makes Rikishi Roman’s first cousin. Roman is the Usos and Solo’s second cousin. Jimmy and Jey have said that Roman is sort of like their uncle and as a joke they call him “Uncle Joe”.
I don't see why Tempest has issues with Sami interaction with Jey & or Jimmy. Jimmy vouched for Sami to join the Bloodline & Jey stood up for Sami when Roman wanted to kick him out. When Sami left & turned on Roman Jey didn't want to fight Sami he only turned on Zayn when Reigns threatened to harm Jimmy. It makes sense that despite everything they've been through that Sami Zayn as a character would still care for The USOS well being. He was in the bloodline for nearly a year he saw Roman manipulate & abuse Jey & he knew after war games that Roman was trying to manipulate & abuse him. It makes sense for Sami Zayn as a baby face to want to redeem himself by helping two guys who brought him into the group & stood up for him.
Exactly.
i thibk it more has to do with the constant segments of sami talking to Jey. i think right after wrestlemania, it started to get stale and feel less important every time it happened so i think making it be subtle this time was way more effective
I get that to an extent but to me Sami very much the angel on Jey shoulders trying to guide him on the right path while Heyman is the devil on his shoulders
Love the drip from the two 😅😃👌
Tempest doesn’t understand friendship or the concept of not giving up on someone 😂 he’s also a legend.
In 20 years we’re going to remember this as the greatest WWE storyline’s of all time
Pretty Deadly vs Owens and Zayn will be extraordinary I agree
@@grizzly_lariattono he’s talking about Charlotte winning the new women’s belt of course
That’s how I remember it now 😂
I think of it as that RIGHT NOW
@@calclark3995Think you mean Charlotte winning the old Raw Women's Title. That seems to be the one she's shooting for.
When Jey told Jimmy, "You're OUT!!"...I thought, "Holy hell...Jey is gonna say 'I'M OUT, TOO!!!'". Very well done.
Across Charlotte's 14 main roster world title reigns she's accumulated 983 days as champ which averages out to about 70 days as champ per reign. 6 reigns were less than a month and 4 were over 100 days.
This has been One of the Greatest Storylines ever in WWE History! 🔥
Not one of this is THEE Greatest.
I love seeing Sat E and Tempest together!!!!!!
A lot to discuss for this SmackDown. That Bianca promo was great. It's almost like her being Champ was never the problem, it was the weak storylines they gave her. Give her something to chew on and she's great(Sasha feud, Becky Feud, Bayley feud). Charlotte is a weird character, she's can't do anything without a title and that's sad because she's a great performer. The Bloodline is once again the best story in wrestling, I wonder where this goes after MITB. Roman v Jey possibly but I think he'll enter a Title program with Lashley.
To me solo was the last NXT call up to get a huge push before pretty deadly
The Sami stuff is great character play as him being silent and nodding is far more impactful because we had those multiple segments of him talking with Jey on smackdown previously
Cross needs to have us in the same mind set that Orton does, we don't know when he'll strike or where. Have only one or two max promos about the next victim and let his actions do the rest of the talking
Bianca’s one title reign is roughly half of all of Charlottes. And I think her long raw women’s champion reign is longer than all of charlottes raw title reigns combined 😅
Sats outfit is so firee🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I've been watching wrestling for about 20 years now and this was my first ever live show and I can't believe I got to witness this live
Happy Black Mask Saturday, gents!
This Bloodline story keeps swerving me like Lucille Bluth whenever Gene Parmesan shows up.
Tyler breeze should totally be the manager of pretty deadly. 🥰💯
Just how this whole storyline started with just jey facing roman, the very very final closing bit of this storyline should be just a one on one jey vs Roman where jey wins with no jimmy, Paul or anyone else at Ringside or interfering in the match.
I was waiting for this podcast ❤
Always lovely to see Tempest and Sat here!
I feel like WWE would do incredibly well if they brought back job guys. Karrion Kross is the right kind of spooky for me and he's good in the ring. AJ Styles is a main event level talent. A matchup between the two should feel big. But, because we have to always have matches between two people who shouldn't be losing, one of them has to lose.
Why does Tempest hate charisma and personality lmfao, Pretty Deadly are awesome.
Dude's entire personality is pissing on something he purports to love. His whole sthick is almost as tiring as Charlotte's gimmick.
I don't want shotzi in that ladder match either lol
I don't like Karrion Kross.
I hear he's a good wrestler, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of this.
Show me that he can wrestle.
Karrion Kross Booking : I think they need to work on his character more. Ideally, remove Scarlett from him (maybe book her to be injured and away) that messes with him psychologically, we see how much he depended on Scarlett as a guide for him. Karrion goes feral, start attacking people, winning but he is lost. Then build his character from there.
I love scarlet though. I wanna see them both be built up
I was getting so bored from this bloodline storyline, but yesterday's twist was pretty ok!
You were bored dawg 😂😂
SAT-E-DAY
Replacing Bayley with Shotzi would be one of the biggest downgrades of all time
They should go back to the Scarlett hourglass thing. Someone winning a tough match and then the lights going out, smoke filling the ring side area, and Scarlett appearing with the hourglass. Gently sliding it into the ring, doing her giggle or blowing a kiss or whatever, and then disappearing into the smoke. Then, you need to pay that off with old Lance Archer style backstage segments where he puts a dude through the ceiling or throws him down a flight of stairs. Use him to write people off TV when they need a vacation or something.
That's a great idea. Probably the best way to use him
at 17:26 tempest sounds like jim ross
Pretty Deadly has been doing well but there been other call ups that are doing well like Gunther Solo Sokia , Zoey Starks is killing it , now that Triple H is in charge he is making sure the Landscape off WWE changes.
Ain't that a kick in the head 🤯
insane that this 2 hour show only had around 28 mins of actual wrestling. Sat naming a bunch of the dirt worst women's gimmicks as examples of people trying different things.
For WWE that’s a lot. Been a few 3 hour raws with less wrestling.
exactly why i dont watch
Hit Row buried on screen. Cole called Flop Dolla and WWE even posted it. LOL
They should be released, Hit Row's a flop indeed without Swerve
That kick reminded me of when Shawn kicked Marty.......but at least this story can continue properly
The amount of fans wearing bloodline merch.
YES BOY!
"Thanks for coming Flop Dolla" Michael Cole
Sami Zayn is Jey's wiseman
SAT NEEDS TO STOP MUMBLING SO I CAN HEAR WTF HE IS SAYING
The comprehension of wrestletalk never fails to amaze me. Jey being surprised about Jimmy not wanting Jey to be the tribal chief because when he Jimmy first said it, it was more about him being a bad guy (they were faces) and Romans bitch (nobodys bitch). Now its being framed by Roman to say no Jimmy is jealous. Two completely different things. Really not that hard guys. Plus plus everything Jey was saying can still be true, but its secondary to his brother. Jesus. Storytelling guys.
Is Tempest dumping the tag team with Pete and just going full force with Sat?
Will Petey need to face Temp to get the title back
The ONLY way this works is if in the tag match between the usos and Roman and Solo, is if the USOS WIN. If Roman pins them, then this segment meant NOTHING. The Usos have to show Roman that they can succeed outside of the Bloodline.
No matter the outcome, this segment meant something 🤣😂 you doing too much yo🤣
Am I the only one who feels like this was a bit lackluster? I love the storyline and I love everything that has happened in the storyline but I just think that this was too early for a final decision to be made if they were going to continue this story past WrestleMania.
Think you’re the only one
I agree that it’s gonna be difficult to stretch the story out to mania if that is the plan (where Roman drops the title) BUT it doesn’t take away how incredible the moment was , lacklustre isn’t the word for the actual face turn , it was quite the opposite imo
The kick itself was the good part, the rest of the segment was pretty boring tbh. Dragged and dragged.
Put Shotzi with Bray
Can't hear anything Sat is saying. 😢
At a moment when Monday Night RAW was becoming better than Friday Night SmackDown 🎉! The Tribal Chief 🦁🏆🏆🏆 with three titles and Bloodline ☝️ splits like the Beatles!
Lennon never superkicked McCartney...or maybe he did? 🤔
I thought they were going to have solo vs jimmy or roman vs jimmy at MITB and jey was going to turn on the bloodline and help jimmy win. Then they could have the tag match at summerslam. I hope that since the tag match is happening at MITB that jey will fight roman 1 on 1 one more time at summerslam.
Yeah this was full circle I love the Bloodline story line now we get Roman and Solo vs the Uso's this will be a good tag team main event match, I think Solo will be the next one to leave eventually lol.
A big thank you to the second host asking temptest what he would do to make things better. I think it brings out a lot more than the negativity tempest brings to the show a lot of the time.
The 2nd host has a name, SAT.
Jey is gonna leave you. And Jimmy will leave you too. And guess what happens then. Solo leaves you too. And this man… well he becomes an advocate again. And there you'll be, a man without a family. A Roman with no more reigns. A chief without a tribe.
smackdown becoming the show with gauntlets that bury the whole division of their respective matches. idk what Triple H is thinking booking like this. why reform the LWO and have Bad Bunny sponsor them when they’re just gonna lose every time? also Pretty Deadly should be a jobber to the stars team, not a main event tag team, i don’t think their gimmick has that high of a ceiling especially to a casual audience
The tag title match is on SmackDown the night before MITB.
Great smackdown
Long shot but in MITB a new team shows up and helps roman and solo...
G.O.D.! G.O.D.! G.O.D.!
Roman is having PTSD because he had this happen all at first it was Seth now it’s Jimmy and then it was J
Charlotte needs to go away and stay away.
Tempest is always so grumpy and crappy if his favourites lose 😅 .
I really fail to see why he sh1ts on Kross all the time, it's clear that "someone's" input changed his direction in booking as when he returned he knocked the hell out of Drew and put Roman on notice. ⌛️
Look wrestling is subjective, beauty's in the eye etc. I for one can't stand Bobby Lashley gimmick but Tempest seems to love it.
The fairest guy on wrestletalk imo is Sat , he's also funnier than the mon-fri crew . More sat please
Butch was there for Sheamus' and Fridge's match
Isn’t the Pretty Deadly match on smackdown from London
An easy fix for cross is to bring back his white rabbit persona he used in lucha underground.
Iyo needs to win MITB.
1st In my mind WWE has a good storyline but i think that Roman holding the title still makes me think it is like a Brock thing where WWE has no plans to take the title off him... Which is kind of boring writing of itself in my opinion. There's actual no threat to Roman other than Brock, Bray, or Edge really yet he kind of defeated all of them beforehand. I think even if Dwyane does come back to the WWE there still going to have to extend Roman's whole regin thing and i think that's even worse booking on WWE's part cause what is Roman actually going to do have a 1 vs 2 match with the Usos or do have a tag team match with Sami coming back...? It is kind of predictable in my opinion and less intriguing when They left the belt on Roman for that long and than having someone new take the belt kind of buries Roman in my opinion if he were to lose the title.
2nd However unlike Brock Roman is willing to do whatever WWE wants to do with him and i think it is a good thing that Triple H has some final say in what has to be put out there. Plus it isn't like Roman is a part time dude he is there most of the time trying to get himself over. Brock kind of buried the title in my mind like yeah you could say "Oh but look at the way he was protected in matches and whatever holding the title for that many days" well no you drew your fans just watching WWE safe $hit stuff that it always does...
17:22 according to Michael cole he’s flop dolla 😂😂😂
How does Tempest feel about Brooke Bourgeois revealing his secret identity?!
Pretty deadly reminds me of the tag team version of Dalton Castle
31:30 that’s so true that the talk shows now are hosted by wooden boards who act the same and aren’t entertaining and captivating anymore, they’re just some guys
I feel like roman will be pinned at MITB if its the usos vs him and solo to further establish in his character that hes just a man and everything around him is falling apart.
Jesus tempest we all know you don't like karrion damn lol I just think they shouldn't have him pull a card then lose he should win the 1st match that nakamura feud really bothered me smh lol
I could be wrong but i think this is the first time this show has been over an hour since it became pretape
First rikshi is sika brother.. that is why roman their uncle.. 2 jimmy was told before hand that jey was gonna be right hand man.. and jimmy said no... That separate from the nobody b
Rikishi is not Sika’s brother. Sika is Rikishi’s uncle so that makes Rikishi Roman’s first cousin. Roman is the Usos and Solo’s second cousin. Jimmy and Jey have said that Roman is sort of like their uncle and as a joke they call him “Uncle Joe”.
Bianca had zero character growth , she was the EST of WWE , the bland EST
Day ☝🏾 ish
Solo turns on Roman
Let’s goooooo
they can’t make babyfaces human beings
The tag team championship match is not happening on the pay-per-view, It’s happening on SmackDown, just like the Charlotte flair title match
I wish you guys chill with the rainbow stuff, It's cringe.
I hope Impact is still hiring when the Tribal Chief is done with these back stabing evil twin betrayers.