As a man who gets excited by the worlds best refrigerator, I cannot express my true passion for the Corolla Cross without violating UA-cams guidelines.
This but unironically. I really like this car because it so confidently knows what it is. It looks good, is priced well, is comfortable, AWD with ground clearance, fuel efficient, and reliable. It's biggest flaw is not having much power but it has enough for most people. Though if this had a higher power variant (like with the 268hp GR Yaris 1.6L) it'd be even better.
@@damienlee1165 the corolla hatchback is more like the matrix. That said, it would've been cool to see them recycle the matrix name for this like they did with the venza.
Let's be real here, most SUVs are transportation appliances. With their heavy weight and high center of gravity, most SUVs will never be fun to drive like a sedan/hatchback.
This car is for those who are truly looking for a CAR. A vehicle that moves them from point A to point B with no nonsense. Corolla reliability with practicality of SUV. Will sell like a hot cake.
@@pesto12601 15k gets u a 5-7 year old CRV with 100k miles in the current market, and as an owner of a 2016 CRV, I wouldn't touch one with that much mileage, we spent more on repairs on our 2016 CRV than my last 3 Toyotas combined.
@@pesto12601 This is $4.5k cheaper than the cheapest AWD Rav4 (I just went to toyota and built both of them). I'm not saying I'd buy it, but sub $25k for an AWD Toyota it's going to sell well. Comparing a new car to a used is of no value.
@@ro0ster648 What went wrong with it? I have a 2013 Toyota that has cost me a grand total of $150 (I didn't forget a $0) in repairs so far. Obviously I don't include brakes in repairs.
@@pesto12601 It starts at 22k. For those people that don't want anything to do with used cars and are on a budget this is the car. Fur us that like buying used cars yes this makes no sense.
if this car came from any other brand, nobody would buy it becuase it's slow, ugly and outdated but since it's a toyota, people just buy whatever they make.
@@kristians2704 It's reliable, which is more important for most people. Also they have some cool paint colors, which is more than a lot of other brands are doing.
The Corolla name is a brand of its own - people know what it represents and this "Cross" version will be no different. Toyota should sell a ton of them considering the MSRP.
@@JDMHaze Well, to be honest, almost anything would be more attractive to buyers than the hideous CH-R. I have no idea who Toyota thought that would appeal to.
The CH-R was actually intended to be a 'new' entry to the Scion lineup. But when Toyota axed the Scion brand in 2016, it was immediately re-badged as a Toyota. This might explain the "Look" lol.
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Is it just me or does anyone else find the whole “appliance” vibe of this kinda refreshing? So many cars nowadays are trying so insanely hard to get attention with overdone styling, gimmicks, etc. that it’s honestly kinda nice to see a car so comfortable in its conservative skin. It may be basic A-to-B transportation, but it does that well and it deserves credit for that.
That's a true global vehicle for you. American's love gaudy overblown cars/trucks. One of the Tacoma groups I'm in had a post about the Hilux GR and there were so many comments about how weak and car-like it looked. The average (male) American buyer thinks what they buy represents what they want their ego to be.
I totally agree! There's something comforting in the lack of flashy chrome, swoopy profile and sharp edges. I love the softly rounded exterior profile and quiet interior, especially the smooth matte design of the steering wheel. Some may call it boring, but that simplicity is the very thing that caught my eye immediately. I liked it so much that I bought one! I'm totally enjoying my new vehicular appliance and wouldn't have it any other way.
Yep, I just want a car to drive around in and go back and forth to work, and a few road trips here and there. I don't tie my entire being, my self esteem, and ego to a car nor try to impress strangers with it. I want solid reliable cost effective transportation that will last for years.
Yes, it’s just you. Surprisingly few Americans think the way that you do. Most of us like over-the~top power and outstanding handling and impressive safety features. That’s unfortunate, of course, but most Americans don’t really think ahead or plan for the future or give a damn about our environment. You’re the exception, apparently.
6:25 A CVT means you can always drive at the rev limiter. Mark: Remember when we made that Lexus video driving at the redline ? It got so many comments and showed much audience engagement. Jack: Let's do an encore with today's Toyota product.
Me and my wife just bought the 2023 corolla cross LE awd. I dont like cvt as well and i am just hoping this would last for 2 decades without a problem. I like the engine that has port and direct injection and a timing chain.
My girlfriend just bought one of these last month at msrp and she’s very pleased with it. Bought the base trim because it was within budget. I think it’ll sell very well!
The way you mix valuable buyer advice and entertainment is amazing. Truly enjoyable videos. A CVT crossover is the last thing I am looking for on the internet, but I would never miss a savagegeese video.
just bought one and GOOD JOB ALABAMA its very well built and it just makes sence to a person like me .. reliable ,good mpg , and its not too full of BS technology..
Test drove it. Wife is still running her 04 Matrix and compared to the Rav4, she prefers the ride of the Cross. It's got way more utility then the current hatch and is not as big as the Rav4. For her, it's pretty much an improved Matrix. Also, nearly two decades and still going strong says something... Just hopefully we can get our hands on a Hybrid 2023
I was considering an XLE Corolla Cross, but opted for a (more refined/nice/comfortable) 2022 Mazda CX-30 AWD Carbon Edition (CE) crossover instead a few weeks ago. I wasn't very impressed with the 2020 TNGA Corolla SE Sedan that I traded in after 2.5 years of ownership, so I figured it was time to give Mazda a shot. No regrets. Plus, as an added bonus, the used car market is so upside down currently that my trade in was worth just as much as what it cost when I bought it new in Aug, 2019. Win-Win.
It a great car if you're looking for an appliance type of SUV that you want to buy new and not be worried sick once the warranty is over. Great video guys
Great review guys. Really appreciate the reality check. You guys aren’t trying to be elitist. You’re trying to review and rate a car based upon its purpose and execution on same.
Yes that's what I love , they remind me of Brian Cooley from cnet .. I hate reviewers That try to compare this to something like a damn hellcat or a Hummer rather than rating it based on what its purpose and class is
Yes, some of their best reviews are of vehicles that aren't designed for performance. Mark is good at assessing how well they meet the needs of ordinary people. Jack is quickly learning how not to be a car snob.
My parents love Toyota. My parents mechanic also hardly remembers who they are every time they take their Toyota Rav4 in to get service. That's why my parents love Toyota. That's who buy Toyotas. People that hate having things in their car break and expensive mechanic bills.
What a wonderful review of a decent vehicle! In the real world, reliability and meeting expectations means something. Toyota does both. In the time I’ve had my single owner 2010 Corolla (2011-pres) all of my friends have gone through multiple cars. Not because they felt like it either. Other cars just don’t last with so little maintenance. Toyotas are often overlooked by magazines, but not by sales figures!
They really aren't overlooked by magazines. They get coverage very similar to other cars not designed for enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with that. This little box on wheels is perfect for most people. I'd be very comfortable recommending it to most people who want a smallish car with the ability to carry four adults or a week's groceries.
That's why I'm afraid to switch brands. I'm fearful of having to worry. The whole reason I buy a car brand new is so I don't have to deal with maintenance and issues and I've read about issues with every other competing model. That's great that other companies offer a 10yr/100k warranty but Toyota doesn't need it which says more imo.
Exactly! I drove my ‘02 Honda Civic LX for 18 years. Finally bought a brand new 2023 Honda Civic Touring January 2023. I prefer appliance cars and expect to drive any car I own 12-15 years or more. If I were to buy a crossover, a Corolla Cross would likely be my first choice. Reliability, safety and longevity are my top criteria.
@@fortheloveofnoise The Mazda's gas mileage is uncompetitive due to the six-speed autobox. Much as I want to like it, it gives up too much. The rear space is also poor for the overall size. I like Mazdas, but they suffer from their small R&D budget.
@@markmiller3279 I'm assuming you're comparing this with a CX-30 (base engine, AWD), but there doesn't look like a big difference in fuel economy between these two. I noted only a combined difference of 4 mpg (we could be looking at different data sources, and in my case it's US EPA data). I do agree 100% with the usability aspect of what you said though, and for that reason I'd take the Toyota.
As much as I despise SUVs, we just ordered an XLE in Cypress Green for my wife (our 2012 Mazda5 with 215k miles, is starting to incur expensive repairs. It was a FANTASTIC car though). The practicality, predicted reliability, and roomy backseats for our kids were too tempting to pass up. We plan to drive it until the wheels fall off. We purchased for MSRP and the trade-in value of the Mazda5 nearly quadrupled in less than a year.
I have the XLE in Cypress! I bought mine just over a month ago. I scoured the internet and called every dealer in the eastern US to find it at a reasonable price since my local dealer wanted 8k over MSRP! I absolutely LOVE the color and every single thing about the car. (My previous car was an '06 Subaru Outback... I wanted to love the Crosstrek but the Cross just won me over in every aspect.) Hope your wife will enjoy it as much as I do!
@@catbirdler This is so good to hear! I am really considering a Cross. How is the driver's seat comfort long term for you now? This is my biggest issue.
@@staceys1870 still fine - for ME. Comfort is such a personal thing and every car is so different in that respect. It's important for me as well and I tried alot of cars. The Cross was surprisingly comfortable and I still like the way it feels 6 months later. It's not perhaps the most cushiony feel but is very supportive and great for long trips. I got the XLE so I could adjust the power seat exactly to my liking. One of my kids drives the car alot and he enjoys it too. Just a great, comfortable, economical car with loads of useful safety features and very spacious cargo area for the size. But what's good for me may not work for you... gotta try it out for yourself. I did 2 or 3 test drives at different dealers before making my decision. I didn't actually try the XLE as there were only the LE's with the cloth seats for demo cars... but I really wanted the power seats so took a leap of faith and bought the XLE without seeing it first - and am very happy with my decision. Let me know what you end up with!
Jack NAILED the final thoughts! Almost like he was excited to do that portion of the review. Honestly Toyota could’ve injected “sport” into the Corolla Cross or give it a TRD lifestyle trim, not sure why they made it so boring, while the Corolla hatch XSE looks Great!
On the flip side, it's a shame they limited the functionality of the hatchback with that high load floor and a shorter wheelbase than the sedan to make room in the line for this.
@@youngbrevy The new European HRV is far better looking than this box. But the problem is that it is only offered with an underpowered 1.5 e:hev powertrain. Maybe American version will bring some more power.
The Corolla Cross was not built solely for the North American market and they are using the same power plant from the XSE trim corolla(s). The extra weight just makes the 2.0 feel even more lethargic. It would have been nice to have the 8 speed out of the RAV4 but that transmission still shifts like it is not sure what gear it wants to be in. Maybe someone will find a way to swap in the 2.0t from the IS and the NX platforms. Maybe the TOYOTA NA marketing guys. will give you a TRD version or parts during the mid cycle refresh. For now what you see is what will slowly going to litter the roadways.
This car reminds me of the Matrix/Vibe sisters. I bought an 07 Vibe as a winter beater a couple of years ago. I had 0 expectations but holy moly, that's the only car I drive now unless I feel like going to the hills in my sports car. It's surprisingly spacious while being compact. I jokingly tell my cousin, that I've hauled more stuff in the vibe than he does in his RAM which might actually be true. When the vibe goes down, this will definitely be the next family car for us. I hope they decide to include a hybrid powertrain in this one. 🤞
The Vibe/Matrix was an excellent car - just the right size and shape and adequately powerful. The only thing I seriously disliked was the dash with controls spread all over it like a boom box. Toyoya trying again to guess what young people wanted and getting it comically wrong. Hint: younger people want ordinary cars, just like older folks do.
"Sounds like a drunk guy playing a lawn mower as an instrument". LOL, that was the best one liner in all of You Tube car reviews. All kidding aside, automakers just don't seem to let you have your cake and eat it too. I love everything about this car, simple ergonomics, bullet proof reliability, great ride but gee Toyota, how about 30-40 more horsepower and a little sound insulation for an extra 1-2K?
If you want 40 more horsepower and more sound insulation, buy a RAV4. Price difference between RAV4 and Corolla Cross isn't that much and so Toyota can't make the Corolla Cross 2K more expensive or no one will buy it.
@@povertyspec9651 in general a small powerplant that doesn’t work hard is more reliable than a larger one, wear relative to performance supplied. The other hints to such reliability is the nature of Toyota development, which for almost every element of production is *thorough*
You can't conclude this particular model's reliability as it literally just came out this year. Yes, it is a Toyota, but I would be careful with brand reputation as it can backfire pretty hard in certain models, the 2007-2009 Camry 4-cyl is a perfect example of what I mean.
My Rav4 hybrid also feels like an appliance. But it's super reliable, super fuel-efficient, and has amazed me just how much cargo this thing can handle. When I bought it, the experience felt so numb, and I immediately began thinking that I had made a mistake (used for commute and grocery hauling). Now that I have owned it for a while and also road-tripped it a few times, I appreciate the Toyota quality and enjoy the efficiency, and appreciate the no drama. The Corolla Cross will be the perfect and wise choice for many people who prefer not to spend a fortune on a car. This model will be a very high-volume model for Toyota.
@Mr 2k Old Head Disagree. The Seltos compares more directly with the Former Toyota C-HR, IMO. Although I will concede that the sub-compact segment is a bit convoluted.
It actually has a first gear, that really helps this CVT. And the engine has port injection, along with direct...so it'll probably last 20 years, so....
@@moeanthony9308 Just about all car journalists expect the CH-R to be discontinued if the Corolla Cross is a sales success. No, Toyota has not admitted as much, because it's harder to sell a cancelled model, but I'd be surprised if it hangs on for long, as it has never sold well. Sorry to burst your bubble if that's the dream car you're saving up for, but there will be decent prices on used ones eventually. Maybe you should aim higher, like the equally hideous, but more powerful, Nissan Juke.
How I like to think of it is that it's a combination of a CH-R and a RAV4, but with some Corolla charm to it~ It just needs a torque-converter automatic, and it'll be better~
Thanks for doing this review. I always enjoy your videos and honor your opinions. Looking to upgrade my current corolla bc family size increased and i enjoyed my corolla to the fullest extent. Truly a no BS, invisible (to cops), and bullet proof car.
I love how Savegeese reviews vehicles based on what they are, and who they are marketed towards. They could have crucified this vehicle - but they didn't - because they judged it by what it is, what it cost, and who the potential buyer is.
Honestly, any Toyota is going to be good for the average consumer^^ Reliability is a major plus, and the overall usability is just near the top~~ This car is just as user-friendly and practical as the Corolla sedan and hatchback :) Yes the CVT is pretty drone-y, but it's not as bad as some other CVTs. I think Honda and Toyota make some good CVT transmissions. At least the Corolla Cross has a physical first gear to get it going off the line.
I have a little 2009 Corolla and it's been such a great little car!! The only thing I hate about it is that it's so low to the ground. This cross looks amazing!!!
Crazy to think just a few years back I bought a brand new 2016 Subaru Outback Limited 3.6R with every available option (including Eyesight and more) for just $33,800. Sure, that was 6 years ago. But it was WAAAAY more car for barely $4k more than a fully loaded Corolla Cross that is considered "budget". Times they have changed.
We got our corolla XSE hatch for $22,800. If you spend the extra $7k to get the cross with awd and the top trim, why not just shell out for the rav4 and get some real space.
That is a reasonable question, but depending on the sales market you are in this is not always an option to get MSRP. Where I live (US territory) the one and only Toyota Dealer marks up the vehicles 7K. If you are doing a trade they hit you with that 7k if you buy it outright the pricing is slightly better. My Friend paid 35K title tax and tags for a 2021 Rav4 XLE (sunroof but no power lift gate) no options. I am afraid to go see how much they are askind for a Corolla Cross since they have 4 on the lot.
When I crawled around these at the auto shows last year, it led me to predict that these things are going to be selling like hotcakes. This is all you need.
I agree with your take on giving this a Hybrid platform. My wife was immediately interesting when I showed her the announcement. She wanted something with more clearance and AWD to the point she floated the idea of trading in her current Corolla hybrid we got a few years ago. I mentioned that there wasn't a hybrid option, and she just said "well, we'll wait for that then.".
This actually makes sense; the CH-R was an absolute cluster. Knowing they had to fill this segment it looks like Toyota got in front of Honda here by putting the necessary granular effort in. I'm not shocked it turned out well (in concept) for what it is but I am surprised how well it seems to have panned out in the production phase; if they're reliable then call me a supporter, albeit not a buyer.
Yeah, I was surprised how botched the CH-R was - ugly, cramped, and with poor visibility. It was like they turned its styling over to the summer intern. Japanese automakers have often had a very poor idea of what younger buyers want, and I think they figured "expressive" (ugly) was part of that (see also: Nissan Juke). This will appeal to all ages by looking like a normal crossover, just in a smaller size.
The only problem is that this vehicle is UGLY and as PLAIN as plain can be. I like the look, feel and drive of the C-HR (as well as the Safety Sense 2.5). I hate the look of this Corolla Cross vehicle and its old infotainment system as well as the outdated Safety Sense 2.0. I'd prefer an updated C-HR over this -- even if it cost me a little more money.
I know this is suppose to be cheaper than a RAV4 but hear in Chicago the corrola cross and different versions cost more like the LE version is the same or more that the RAV4 base model, so if I was a Toyota customer looking for a cross over there's no way I would buy this over a RAV4.
@@tinhinnh I disagree with all 3. The RAV4 takes practically no effort to drive. I think you could put a 12 year old behind the wheel with no experience and they’d drive just fine.
@@tinhinnh We own a new RAV4 and it is the easiest vehicle to park and drive. It takes no effort to turn on a dime. It also gets really good gas mileage too. Got it just before all the car price craze happened.
@@tinhinnh A dealer salesman did a video and parked the Corolla Cross and Rav4 side by side and they are almost identical in size. The Rav4 has a bigger engine and a real 8-speed automatic that gets better highway mpg. The cross can be made cheaper with the smaller engine and CVT
@@Argedis The RAV4 is five inches longer, an inch wider, and two inches taller. Yeah, that doesn't sound like much, but it's a typical difference between a subcompact crossover and a compact. The smaller Corolla Cross engine and accessories likely make the hood stubbier, so the actual difference in interior space is less than the length difference siggests. If a buyer could get just as much useful space for thousands less money, why wouldn't they take it? The main think given up is a geared automatic and some noise deadening, but the Toyota CVT is one of the best, and not fragile. The noise is sibjective and would need to be heard.
My car pool buddy and I assessed this for our daily 200 km round trip commute, and in Northern Canada AWD is a must 4 months of the year. At the end of the day, it didn't make sense over the Rav4, when comparing LEs: Rav4 LE AWD : $30,690 (CAD) at 6.9 L/100 km (41 mpg) - HWY Cross LE AWD: $28,490 (CAD) at 7.1 L/100km (38 mpg) - HWY So for $2200 less, you have less space, much less acceleration, less power, a CVT, and worse fuel economy. Rav4 does have steel wheels I believe... still.... I don't see the argument over the Rav4. I would also suspect that the Rav4 would increase that cost delta in resale after five years of ownership also. The Rav 4 does have 0.6 L/100km worse fuel eco in city driving, however. At least the gas LE AWD. Now, if the cross was available in a manual AWD.... sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. :P
Very true, Rav4s can definitely get very expensive in the upper trims but the LE is great. I think it makes more sense unless you specifically don't want a larger vehicle.
True, the hybrid Rav4 makes more financial sense than an AWD Cross, especially since the hybrid Rav4 gets better mileage both on the highway and in the city/combined which means you'll hit break even at some point simply by having to buy less gas in the long run. The hybrid Rav4 also has a CVT so that's equal across the board and not actually that bad in daily usage. The biggest positives I can think of for the Cross is that it's a smaller vehicle (the new Rav4 is WIDE compared to the older ones) and there isn't the additional hybrid stuff to possibly go wrong on you if you own it till the wheels fall off. If you were comparing the gas Rav4, your MPG numbers are far off. The gas AWD Rav4 gets 27/34 (city/hwy) and the AWD Cross gets (29/32). Toyota puts the AWD numbers in the footnotes for some reason. Only the Hybrid Rav4 gets 41/38 (city/hwy).
It is already a hybrid in other markets. I doubt it's coming to the US because it's the same powertrain as the CHR and Americans can't drive slow cars.
Hopefully there wouldn’t be an issue going uphill on a highway, and passing if I need to. I am not otherwise a “fast” driver, and this vehicle is the right size.
I initially dismissed the Corolla Cross, but watching this is super fascinating to me as someone who drives a Matrix. There's so many similarities, they could've easily gotten away with calling this thing a Matrix again, there's a lot of the same design philosophies, just updated for the 2020s.
i dont get what they are saying about AWD vs FWD. how does AWD limit understeer? and doesnt the AWD system kick in when there is wheel slip, like for example, accelerating from a stop on an icey road? the roads they are on are bare so how would awd get triggered @7:15
Wondering why they didn't call it a Yaris, or Matrix, or even Rav2 or whatever. But as someone else said in the comments, "Corolla" is almost a brand of its own, and what makes me believe it is the fact that just the other day, my mom was like "Wait, the Corvette is a CHEVROLET??" Most people really, I mean, REALLY don't pay attention to cars, even ones they own.
This "smaller" US compact CUV class kind of sucks and this is a perfect example. The awful amount of exterior noise and the terrible powertrain do create "drama" by reminding you that you bought the cheap crappy option every single time you drive it, and you should have spent like $3k more and made a better choice. I'm sensitive that people have limited budgets, but just get something used in the next segment up with some warranty left, or reduce costs somewhere else. I don't think anyone would regret picking up a RAV4, CX-5 etc over this thing, which despite being built in Alabama, gives me those "developing country Toyota" vibes.
Considering this is the best selling toyota here in Brazil, I can definitely say this is the "developing country Toyota". Whats even worse is that here we don't even get the AWD option and the RAV4 is almost double the price.
The car market is too fccked up right now. Used cars cost more than new and dealers are marking up every new vehicle over msrp. There's no such thing as an affordable, relatively new vehicle anymore.
Extra 3k in this market? That's a pipe dream. I went to go look at new CX-5's and they were starting at 6-10k over MSRP. And people were actually purchasing them... I suspect Toyota will capture a lot of the market with this Corolla Cross due to people just settling for something cheaper.
Not everyone wants or needs a larger car. I test drove every car in this class and the next size up (Rav4, Tucson, Rogue etc) and just couldn't justify spending more for more rear seat space that I'll barely ever use. The Cross ticks all the boxes for me in terms of size, ease of access, cargo area and features and road noise is only noticeable at highway speeds. For normal city driving, it's quiet and comfortable.
When I went in the dealer to get my daughter's 2017 Corolla IM with 36k and not in perfect cosmetic condition serviced I was offered 16k on trade. I paid 18k in 2017. Was going to buy a Corolla Cross (the loaded version) and it would have been over 30k. After test driving and hearing the CVT moan and the terrible acceleration, I said besides the extra space and AWD it is basically the same car as the IM. Ended up with a 2022 RAV4 XLE (With some extra packages) at sticker price. There is no comparison between the two vehicles. My daughters driving has improved since we bought the IM and she no longer has those new driver whoopsies. She just drove it 4 hours back to college and she said "OMG when you step on the gas it goes and just doesn't make noise" Just buy the RAV4 unless you live in an urban area and never go on the highway.
Mr Geese and Jack. Love the review. A few things. I bought the hatch because your review was so convincing. I ended up buying a sedan too. Both XSE, CVT and 2020. I’m ditching the sedan for the Cross. The cross is what the hatch should have been. The backseat is tight and trunk is small. I love the hatch and it looks 1000x better but more space and AWD is driving me to it. The sedan is the odd man out because it just doesn’t work for me. I need a hatch door for work and school. But the sedan is better than the hatch minus the hatch part. The CVT is fine. If you go in knowing it’s a Corolla and that’s it. You’ll be fine. Both cars are at 60k + and 0 issues. The engine itself is plenty. Edit: also there’s a hybrid version coming. If that comes with AWD it’ll be a no brainer over the hatch and sedan.
I initially dismissed this car because of the powertrain. But now that it's getting the more potent Hybrid AWD, I decided to come back and revisit this review. I'd love to see a follow-up of the '23. Toyota just might have a sleeper hit on their hands.
The CHR is just a big seller for Toyota across the world. It was ranked 30th in terms of overall sells last year for every car sold in the entire world. But after this I bet that won't be for much longer.
Corolla Cross is a CHR replacement. I'm in Thailand. They ceased CHR sales and production at Thailand factory in early-2020 and debut Cross in just a few months later.
It kinda does fake shifts kinda like the Corolla sedan does~ If you want that kinda CVT, go to the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross or the older Mitsubishi Outlander Sport :D And yeah, those who think CVTs need fake shifts, I can understand, but a CVT is meant to be held at redline, and it's supposed to sound like that, like you said. Plus, most people won't even care what a torque-converter or CVT automatic transmission is, and they'll think it's the same~ But the great thing is that this CVT has a physical first gear and responds well~
I found the 2004 Matrix quite reliable and almost the right size (I just wish it was as long as the Corolla sedan). It's about time they had a right-sized replacement. Now they just need to offer a manual transmission!
You guys do great reviews, you tell it like it is. The shoppers for this car are not taking it to the "Ring" to do hot laps. Just leased the LE AWD, since my 2014 Kia Soul was totaled couple of weeks ago. First impressions after first 260 miles on broke NYC roads. This Corolla Cross rides very well over bumps, smooth ride, Rear Independent suspension make a huge difference, the car is not choppy over broken pavement when cornering, however there is lots of body roll compared to the Soul. The Soul even with its 1.6 liter felt like a go-kart, very precise and controlled but had a very rough ride. I don't think it's a fair comparison to the Soul. This car goes against the Kia Seltos, Nissan Rouge Sport and Mazda CX-30. You said it correctly its a car to go from point A to Point B with no Drama. Nice interior, comfortable seats, inside feels lot bigger than it is, does not feel claustrophobic like the HRV or CHR, has great visibility, back has lots of storage capacity, just a good small SUV. A great alternative to the RAV 4, if you don't want to spend the money. It really does everything well. I will not be surprised if it will become the sales leader in its category by the end of the year.
It's produced at another plant meaning more total units created for the brand which means more sales given how hungry the market is right now any stock will sell out immediately. This seems like a cash grab to me but it's a smart one and also nothing wrong with cash grabs...it's the whole point of doing business. Any Brand that can ramp up production and utilize as many factories as possible will win in the next year or two
Made for purpose and you nailed that comment. The only thing is the CVT. I would be happy with a torque convertor gearbox even if it meant poorer mileage (kms per litre here in Australia).
I have watched a few of different reviews on this car . You nailed it when you said it was an appliance albeit a reliable one. I will buy one when the time is right.
I noticed that the rear springs have sleeves on their lower coils. Years ago I had an Alfa Romeo that had the similar sleeves, rust got to the springs and one broke, deep rust pits cause stress risers which will eventually cause failure.
@@davidhuang2895 Back when I had Alfas they weren't owned by Fiat. I got my first Alfa, a 101 series Sprint back in 1967, had many more through the years until I'd finally had my fill. They did give me reason to learn welding and bodywork, useful skills. Had my last Alfa 25+ years ago.
This is in the same price point as a Subaru Crosstrek. Although Subaru is quirky, it’s partly Toyota too- I suppose it just depends on personal taste. Its good to have less expensive options. Happy Valentines Day!🥰
Honestly even as a car guy you can’t hate on this. A solid A to b commuter ride that’s going to handle all weathers fine, have space for kiddos and some gear, go for a billion miles, and return solid mpg. These will be so great to pick up used off the great aunt or grandparents that just needed a simple car and drove to church once a week.
It's a reliable daily use appliance. This is an honest, unpretentious vehicle that knows what it is; there's no hidden bs here. Toyota announced that the '23 model in North America will have a hybrid option. If they put in a hybrid with about 190hp, it's a hands down winner. I know I'd give it serious consideration for my next buy. An XSE Hybrid would be great.
Had a year-old Corolla rental recently, and the lo-fi, counter-intuitive infotainment rectangle and droning, too-little/too-late CVT were memorably bad. We're a FR-S and Yaris household, and know lo-fi Toyota long-haul cheapness very well. Still, budget comfort is a hard sell against long years of a genuinely dreary drivetrain and stereo/nav experience. Cheers to those able to overlook.
i for one am very happy toyota made this. definitely the best budget AWD hatchback/crossover you can get for the money. i owned a 2022 impreza hatchback coming from a 2020 corolla hatchback solely because i had a need for awd to be quite honest, other than the fact the subaru did have AWD every single other facet of that car did. not. deliver. it rode too soft, the engine pinged, it rolled alot even after adding a rear sway bar, fuel tank was the size of a thimble, the headlamps got condensation in them, the door lock acuator would freeze when itd get slightly cold out, the interior was extremely lack luster, i completely understand that it is a budget minded version i had but there were some severe quality and content disconnects. and for the price difference between the impreza and AWD corolla cross LE , i would have gladly paid that difference for the toyota quality alone
@@savagegeese also heard the visibility was garbage, which looks a heck of a lot better in the corolla cross. Thanks for the reply, big fan of the channel!
@@gm2256 I really wanted to like the CHR but the quirky styling really hurt its functionality combined with a really trashy drivetrain killed it for me and like you mentioned the visibility was also compromised
I didn’t think about this vehicle at all. I’m so glad you guys made a video about it, just wanna see your pretty good vehicle which are other people about special winners brokers I am lol.
The cx30 is a far better car. I’m bias because I own one but it returns similar fuel economy numbers with a 6 speed and not a cvt, has FAR more power and pickup, and a much better interior. Yes space is down a little, but the performance alone is in a different league. But I’m happy to see Toyota take sales from the abhorrent cross trek and their clueless drivers leaving their high beams on doing 10 under everywhere
Not to mantion class leading inteior and features like HUDs are rare and it has one... And Mazda being Mazda you can get a great deal like I was offered a MX-5 grand touring for $30k as it was last years model... But it was not a Mustang so I got $9k off one of those instead.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough I got a CE turbo right off the truck last year for $3200 off sticker, definitely a steal being the CE turbo was a one year only run
It feels like all the "big" cars from the early 2000's like the rav4 or the Subaru outback have just gotten bigger and bigger over the years so they take smaller cars and make them fill the spot those got too big for.
That's exactly what they do. I believe this weirdness happens because one competitor makes their like-for-like vehicle bigger to gain sales and the other one has to respond the same way and it just keeps going from there until now they need to re-fill that old size spot with a new vehicle. Keeps things interesting I suppose.
People may laugh at this, like they laughed at the Honda HRV.. and now look how many you see on the road. This is a Toyota so it'll be even more common and very practical in urban environments
@@FishFind3000 I wouldn't say it's cheap.. it's affordable. The Nissan Versa is cheap.. the Toyota Yaris is cheap. This fills the void of where the Rav4 and CRV used to be, who've since become unaffordable due to the "SUV tax" / "Honda tax" / "Toyota tax"
As a man who gets excited by the worlds best refrigerator, I cannot express my true passion for the Corolla Cross without violating UA-cams guidelines.
My refrigerator makes clear ice balls and I am excited about that
@@alexdittmer4647 i freaking love balls in my drink!
This but unironically. I really like this car because it so confidently knows what it is. It looks good, is priced well, is comfortable, AWD with ground clearance, fuel efficient, and reliable. It's biggest flaw is not having much power but it has enough for most people. Though if this had a higher power variant (like with the 268hp GR Yaris 1.6L) it'd be even better.
You can also get some CROSS CLIMATE tires for the ultimate in mundanity
If you paint it white I'm sure some people will mistake for a refrigerator.
Door locks are straight out of my 2003 Toyota Matrix. They’ve aged well.
The Matrix always was a Corolla, just not in name.
Idk why they didn't call this the Matrix.
@@damienlee1165 Damn how did they miss an opportunity like that?
lol same with the 2000 celica i had
@@damienlee1165 the corolla hatchback is more like the matrix. That said, it would've been cool to see them recycle the matrix name for this like they did with the venza.
Whenever I want the real breakdown on a vehicle I watch an SG review, really nailed it, this vehicle has one purpose, it’s a transportation appliance
That pretty much what some people are looking for
Imagine buying a car to go places and move stuff instead of using it as an extension of your ego.
"transportation appliance" Toyota's motto, with rare exception (e.g. supra). I've had a couple and like them for that, though ;)
And I want one…for bringing the grandkids to school, running to the doctors and Walmart etc.
I love the top model with the brown interior.
Let's be real here, most SUVs are transportation appliances. With their heavy weight and high center of gravity, most SUVs will never be fun to drive like a sedan/hatchback.
This car is for those who are truly looking for a CAR. A vehicle that moves them from point A to point B with no nonsense. Corolla reliability with practicality of SUV. Will sell like a hot cake.
Not for $30,000... LOL.. I'll buy a used CR-V for $15K for that!
@@pesto12601 15k gets u a 5-7 year old CRV with 100k miles in the current market, and as an owner of a 2016 CRV, I wouldn't touch one with that much mileage, we spent more on repairs on our 2016 CRV than my last 3 Toyotas combined.
@@pesto12601 This is $4.5k cheaper than the cheapest AWD Rav4 (I just went to toyota and built both of them). I'm not saying I'd buy it, but sub $25k for an AWD Toyota it's going to sell well. Comparing a new car to a used is of no value.
@@ro0ster648 What went wrong with it? I have a 2013 Toyota that has cost me a grand total of $150 (I didn't forget a $0) in repairs so far. Obviously I don't include brakes in repairs.
@@pesto12601 It starts at 22k. For those people that don't want anything to do with used cars and are on a budget this is the car. Fur us that like buying used cars yes this makes no sense.
Huge winner for Toyota, their only problem will be making enough of them.
if this car came from any other brand, nobody would buy it becuase it's slow, ugly and outdated but since it's a toyota, people just buy whatever they make.
@@kristians2704 sound like the apple of cars. 🤔
@@kristians2704its not ugly to me.
@@kristians2704if it was from any other manufacturer it would be an unreliable heap.
@@kristians2704 It's reliable, which is more important for most people. Also they have some cool paint colors, which is more than a lot of other brands are doing.
The Corolla name is a brand of its own - people know what it represents and this "Cross" version will be no different. Toyota should sell a ton of them considering the MSRP.
It is cheaper than the chr, and bearing the Corolla name, And it's an SUV, it's a win in every category
You mean like the Accord Crosstour?
@@kgb4187 Except the Accord Crosstour isn't a practical car by any metric. Not high or spacious enough!
@@JDMHaze Well, to be honest, almost anything would be more attractive to buyers than the hideous CH-R. I have no idea who Toyota thought that would appeal to.
The CH-R was actually intended to be a 'new' entry to the Scion lineup. But when Toyota axed the Scion brand in 2016, it was immediately re-badged as a Toyota. This might explain the "Look" lol.
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Is it just me or does anyone else find the whole “appliance” vibe of this kinda refreshing? So many cars nowadays are trying so insanely hard to get attention with overdone styling, gimmicks, etc. that it’s honestly kinda nice to see a car so comfortable in its conservative skin. It may be basic A-to-B transportation, but it does that well and it deserves credit for that.
That's a true global vehicle for you. American's love gaudy overblown cars/trucks. One of the Tacoma groups I'm in had a post about the Hilux GR and there were so many comments about how weak and car-like it looked. The average (male) American buyer thinks what they buy represents what they want their ego to be.
SUVs/crossovers are appliances and boring to drive.
I totally agree! There's something comforting in the lack of flashy chrome, swoopy profile and sharp edges. I love the softly rounded exterior profile and quiet interior, especially the smooth matte design of the steering wheel. Some may call it boring, but that simplicity is the very thing that caught my eye immediately. I liked it so much that I bought one! I'm totally enjoying my new vehicular appliance and wouldn't have it any other way.
Yep, I just want a car to drive around in and go back and forth to work, and a few road trips here and there. I don't tie my entire being, my self esteem, and ego to a car nor try to impress strangers with it. I want solid reliable cost effective transportation that will last for years.
Yes, it’s just you. Surprisingly few Americans think the way that you do. Most of us like over-the~top power and outstanding handling and impressive safety features. That’s unfortunate, of course, but most Americans don’t really think ahead or plan for the future or give a damn about our environment.
You’re the exception, apparently.
6:25 A CVT means you can always drive at the rev limiter.
Mark: Remember when we made that Lexus video driving at the redline ? It got so many comments and showed much audience engagement.
Jack: Let's do an encore with today's Toyota product.
Me and my wife just bought the 2023 corolla cross LE awd. I dont like cvt as well and i am just hoping this would last for 2 decades without a problem. I like the engine that has port and direct injection and a timing chain.
My girlfriend just bought one of these last month at msrp and she’s very pleased with it. Bought the base trim because it was within budget. I think it’ll sell very well!
I love how buying a car at MSRP is now a bragging point lol.
How did she get at the MSRP price?
At MSRP LOL! Something to be proud of 🤣
@@666cemetaryslut I can remember when nobody would pay MSRP.
The way you mix valuable buyer advice and entertainment is amazing. Truly enjoyable videos.
A CVT crossover is the last thing I am looking for on the internet, but I would never miss a savagegeese video.
I'm always reading your comments because they sum up the video lol
just bought one and GOOD JOB ALABAMA its very well built and it just makes sence to a person like me .. reliable ,good mpg , and its not too full of BS technology..
Test drove it. Wife is still running her 04 Matrix and compared to the Rav4, she prefers the ride of the Cross. It's got way more utility then the current hatch and is not as big as the Rav4. For her, it's pretty much an improved Matrix. Also, nearly two decades and still going strong says something... Just hopefully we can get our hands on a Hybrid 2023
yeah this thing totally needs to be available in hybrid, i couldn't agree more.
That's kind of what I'm holding out for. my 2011 Corolla is still running great, hoping they develop the cross into a hybrid soon!
Toyota confirmed a hybrid version this fall! Let’s pray it has the 2.0L hybrid w 181 HP
I was looking at a crosstrek for my aging mother. This is now a real contender
I was considering an XLE Corolla Cross, but opted for a (more refined/nice/comfortable) 2022 Mazda CX-30 AWD Carbon Edition (CE) crossover instead a few weeks ago. I wasn't very impressed with the 2020 TNGA Corolla SE Sedan that I traded in after 2.5 years of ownership, so I figured it was time to give Mazda a shot. No regrets. Plus, as an added bonus, the used car market is so upside down currently that my trade in was worth just as much as what it cost when I bought it new in Aug, 2019. Win-Win.
I was also considering between the 2 models, but Toyota offers 10 years warranty in most parts of Europe, so it's the much safer bet
The Mazda is a much more refined, upscale vehicle, no comparison.
You must not have any bumpy roads, because the CX 30 is anything but a comfortable ride over bumps. Very harsh ride.
It a great car if you're looking for an appliance type of SUV that you want to buy new and not be worried sick once the warranty is over.
Great video guys
Great review guys. Really appreciate the reality check. You guys aren’t trying to be elitist. You’re trying to review and rate a car based upon its purpose and execution on same.
Yes that's what I love , they remind me of Brian Cooley from cnet .. I hate reviewers That try to compare this to something like a damn hellcat or a Hummer rather than rating it based on what its purpose and class is
Yes, some of their best reviews are of vehicles that aren't designed for performance. Mark is good at assessing how well they meet the needs of ordinary people. Jack is quickly learning how not to be a car snob.
My parents love Toyota.
My parents mechanic also hardly remembers who they are every time they take their Toyota Rav4 in to get service.
That's why my parents love Toyota.
That's who buy Toyotas. People that hate having things in their car break and expensive mechanic bills.
What a wonderful review of a decent vehicle! In the real world, reliability and meeting expectations means something. Toyota does both. In the time I’ve had my single owner 2010 Corolla (2011-pres) all of my friends have gone through multiple cars. Not because they felt like it either. Other cars just don’t last with so little maintenance. Toyotas are often overlooked by magazines, but not by sales figures!
They really aren't overlooked by magazines. They get coverage very similar to other cars not designed for enthusiasts. Nothing wrong with that. This little box on wheels is perfect for most people. I'd be very comfortable recommending it to most people who want a smallish car with the ability to carry four adults or a week's groceries.
That's why I'm afraid to switch brands. I'm fearful of having to worry. The whole reason I buy a car brand new is so I don't have to deal with maintenance and issues and I've read about issues with every other competing model. That's great that other companies offer a 10yr/100k warranty but Toyota doesn't need it which says more imo.
Exactly! I drove my ‘02 Honda Civic LX for 18 years. Finally bought a brand new 2023 Honda Civic Touring January 2023.
I prefer appliance cars and expect to drive any car I own 12-15 years or more. If I were to buy a crossover, a Corolla Cross would likely be my first choice. Reliability, safety and longevity are my top criteria.
I really wish they would bring back the conventional automatics.
Get a Mazda, just as reliable but with real transmissions.
@@fortheloveofnoise The Mazda's gas mileage is uncompetitive due to the six-speed autobox. Much as I want to like it, it gives up too much. The rear space is also poor for the overall size. I like Mazdas, but they suffer from their small R&D budget.
@@markmiller3279 I'm assuming you're comparing this with a CX-30 (base engine, AWD), but there doesn't look like a big difference in fuel economy between these two. I noted only a combined difference of 4 mpg (we could be looking at different data sources, and in my case it's US EPA data). I do agree 100% with the usability aspect of what you said though, and for that reason I'd take the Toyota.
As much as I despise SUVs, we just ordered an XLE in Cypress Green for my wife (our 2012 Mazda5 with 215k miles, is starting to incur expensive repairs. It was a FANTASTIC car though). The practicality, predicted reliability, and roomy backseats for our kids were too tempting to pass up. We plan to drive it until the wheels fall off.
We purchased for MSRP and the trade-in value of the Mazda5 nearly quadrupled in less than a year.
@Sohc_Vtec agreed. I'd buy one again if they did.
I have the XLE in Cypress! I bought mine just over a month ago. I scoured the internet and called every dealer in the eastern US to find it at a reasonable price since my local dealer wanted 8k over MSRP! I absolutely LOVE the color and every single thing about the car. (My previous car was an '06 Subaru Outback... I wanted to love the Crosstrek but the Cross just won me over in every aspect.) Hope your wife will enjoy it as much as I do!
@Mr 2k Old Head 60 to 90 days.
@@catbirdler This is so good to hear! I am really considering a Cross. How is the driver's seat comfort long term for you now? This is my biggest issue.
@@staceys1870 still fine - for ME. Comfort is such a personal thing and every car is so different in that respect. It's important for me as well and I tried alot of cars. The Cross was surprisingly comfortable and I still like the way it feels 6 months later. It's not perhaps the most cushiony feel but is very supportive and great for long trips. I got the XLE so I could adjust the power seat exactly to my liking. One of my kids drives the car alot and he enjoys it too. Just a great, comfortable, economical car with loads of useful safety features and very spacious cargo area for the size. But what's good for me may not work for you... gotta try it out for yourself. I did 2 or 3 test drives at different dealers before making my decision. I didn't actually try the XLE as there were only the LE's with the cloth seats for demo cars... but I really wanted the power seats so took a leap of faith and bought the XLE without seeing it first - and am very happy with my decision. Let me know what you end up with!
Jack NAILED the final thoughts! Almost like he was excited to do that portion of the review. Honestly Toyota could’ve injected “sport” into the Corolla Cross or give it a TRD lifestyle trim, not sure why they made it so boring, while the Corolla hatch XSE looks Great!
On the flip side, it's a shame they limited the functionality of the hatchback with that high load floor and a shorter wheelbase than the sedan to make room in the line for this.
@@nlpnt I Agree, I’m patiently waiting for the Honda Civic Cross, I mean Fit Cross, I mean HRV reveal later this year. Should be direct competition.
@@youngbrevy The new European HRV is far better looking than this box. But the problem is that it is only offered with an underpowered 1.5 e:hev powertrain. Maybe American version will bring some more power.
The Corolla Cross was not built solely for the North American market and they are using the same power plant from the XSE trim corolla(s). The extra weight just makes the 2.0 feel even more lethargic. It would have been nice to have the 8 speed out of the RAV4 but that transmission still shifts like it is not sure what gear it wants to be in. Maybe someone will find a way to swap in the 2.0t from the IS and the NX platforms. Maybe the TOYOTA NA marketing guys. will give you a TRD version or parts during the mid cycle refresh. For now what you see is what will slowly going to litter the roadways.
Why did they make it boring? Maybe it's because SUVs are boring in general.
This car reminds me of the Matrix/Vibe sisters. I bought an 07 Vibe as a winter beater a couple of years ago. I had 0 expectations but holy moly, that's the only car I drive now unless I feel like going to the hills in my sports car. It's surprisingly spacious while being compact. I jokingly tell my cousin, that I've hauled more stuff in the vibe than he does in his RAM which might actually be true. When the vibe goes down, this will definitely be the next family car for us. I hope they decide to include a hybrid powertrain in this one. 🤞
I'm currently driving a vibe as well. 250 thousand miles and no real issues other than usual brakes and a wheel bearing
I have owned a 2005 Pontiac Vibe for 15 years. Incredible utility and durability.
The Vibe/Matrix was an excellent car - just the right size and shape and adequately powerful. The only thing I seriously disliked was the dash with controls spread all over it like a boom box. Toyoya trying again to guess what young people wanted and getting it comically wrong. Hint: younger people want ordinary cars, just like older folks do.
"Sounds like a drunk guy playing a lawn mower as an instrument". LOL, that was the best one liner in all of You Tube car reviews. All kidding aside, automakers just don't seem to let you have your cake and eat it too. I love everything about this car, simple ergonomics, bullet proof reliability, great ride but gee Toyota, how about 30-40 more horsepower and a little sound insulation for an extra 1-2K?
If you want 40 more horsepower and more sound insulation, buy a RAV4. Price difference between RAV4 and Corolla Cross isn't that much and so Toyota can't make the Corolla Cross 2K more expensive or no one will buy it.
What's so reliable about the tiny engine this thing has, or are you just going by Toyota reputation?
The XLE trim (and only the XLE) actually _does_ come with a layer of insulation under the hood, I don't know why these guys said it doesn't.
@@povertyspec9651 in general a small powerplant that doesn’t work hard is more reliable than a larger one, wear relative to performance supplied. The other hints to such reliability is the nature of Toyota development, which for almost every element of production is *thorough*
You can't conclude this particular model's reliability as it literally just came out this year. Yes, it is a Toyota, but I would be careful with brand reputation as it can backfire pretty hard in certain models, the 2007-2009 Camry 4-cyl is a perfect example of what I mean.
My Rav4 hybrid also feels like an appliance. But it's super reliable, super fuel-efficient, and has amazed me just how much cargo this thing can handle. When I bought it, the experience felt so numb, and I immediately began thinking that I had made a mistake (used for commute and grocery hauling). Now that I have owned it for a while and also road-tripped it a few times, I appreciate the Toyota quality and enjoy the efficiency, and appreciate the no drama. The Corolla Cross will be the perfect and wise choice for many people who prefer not to spend a fortune on a car. This model will be a very high-volume model for Toyota.
If someone can find some chips to put in it.
What year is yours?
@@jxmar_ 2021
The music for the intro is completly fitting of this car. Great choice 😂
For a second I thought it was the theme song for Curb Your Enthusiasm. It’s a great choice! 😂
You mentioned the Kia Soul but the Subaru Crosstrek stands out as the most natural competition to me.
I give the crown to the Hyundai Kona in this segment... Toyota CC a solid 2nd place and probably the more practical buy.
@Mr 2k Old Head Disagree. The Seltos compares more directly with the Former Toyota C-HR, IMO. Although I will concede that the sub-compact segment is a bit convoluted.
The CVT is what really gives me the fizz
I hate CVTs .
😂
It actually has a first gear, that really helps this CVT. And the engine has port injection, along with direct...so it'll probably last 20 years, so....
@@ofcbob6391 direct can also last 20 years
If you just have GDI, you'd have to worry about carbon. With PFDI, you don't have to worry.
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Even if it is a cash grab I think it’s better then the CH-R it replaces
Hard to call ch-r practical.
Who said it replaced the chr?
@@moeanthony9308 The C-HR is definitely on its way out and will likely be discontinued soon.
@@alh06 link?
@@moeanthony9308 Just about all car journalists expect the CH-R to be discontinued if the Corolla Cross is a sales success. No, Toyota has not admitted as much, because it's harder to sell a cancelled model, but I'd be surprised if it hangs on for long, as it has never sold well. Sorry to burst your bubble if that's the dream car you're saving up for, but there will be decent prices on used ones eventually. Maybe you should aim higher, like the equally hideous, but more powerful, Nissan Juke.
@10:39 When are we going to see Jacks Neptune GR86?
Reminds me of the older RAV4s (2 generations ago), looks wise.
How I like to think of it is that it's a combination of a CH-R and a RAV4, but with some Corolla charm to it~ It just needs a torque-converter automatic, and it'll be better~
Yeah all it is is a RAV4 Sport... Kinda makes the Mustang Mach-E naming make the most sense in comparistion.
Thanks for doing this review. I always enjoy your videos and honor your opinions. Looking to upgrade my current corolla bc family size increased and i enjoyed my corolla to the fullest extent. Truly a no BS, invisible (to cops), and bullet proof car.
Also your review sold me on the awd. Wasn't sure the difference between the two options until after watching your "tear down".
I love how Savegeese reviews vehicles based on what they are, and who they are marketed towards.
They could have crucified this vehicle - but they didn't - because they judged it by what it is, what it cost, and who the potential buyer is.
Honestly, any Toyota is going to be good for the average consumer^^ Reliability is a major plus, and the overall usability is just near the top~~ This car is just as user-friendly and practical as the Corolla sedan and hatchback :) Yes the CVT is pretty drone-y, but it's not as bad as some other CVTs. I think Honda and Toyota make some good CVT transmissions. At least the Corolla Cross has a physical first gear to get it going off the line.
I have a little 2009 Corolla and it's been such a great little car!! The only thing I hate about it is that it's so low to the ground. This cross looks amazing!!!
Crazy to think just a few years back I bought a brand new 2016 Subaru Outback Limited 3.6R with every available option (including Eyesight and more) for just $33,800. Sure, that was 6 years ago. But it was WAAAAY more car for barely $4k more than a fully loaded Corolla Cross that is considered "budget". Times they have changed.
i was expecting the curb your enthusiasm intro at first when the music started
We got our corolla XSE hatch for $22,800. If you spend the extra $7k to get the cross with awd and the top trim, why not just shell out for the rav4 and get some real space.
In my area mark ups even for the base rav4 hybrid have been upwards of 3-5k before tax. That 7k difference turned into 12k.
@@Kaptenclassic Dealers blatantly stealing doesn't count.
@@ghoulbuster1 exactly. Let’s see the markup on the Corolla cross
@@Kaptenclassic There are markups on the Corolla Cross too.
That is a reasonable question, but depending on the sales market you are in this is not always an option to get MSRP. Where I live (US territory) the one and only Toyota Dealer marks up the vehicles 7K. If you are doing a trade they hit you with that 7k if you buy it outright the pricing is slightly better. My Friend paid 35K title tax and tags for a 2021 Rav4 XLE (sunroof but no power lift gate) no options. I am afraid to go see how much they are askind for a Corolla Cross since they have 4 on the lot.
The F1 noises after the launch had me rolling.
When I crawled around these at the auto shows last year, it led me to predict that these things are going to be selling like hotcakes. This is all you need.
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“Infotainment that looks like it was designed in the 1700s.” Friggin made me laugh. Thank you.
I agree with your take on giving this a Hybrid platform. My wife was immediately interesting when I showed her the announcement. She wanted something with more clearance and AWD to the point she floated the idea of trading in her current Corolla hybrid we got a few years ago. I mentioned that there wasn't a hybrid option, and she just said "well, we'll wait for that then.".
It’s gonna be worth the wait!
This actually makes sense; the CH-R was an absolute cluster. Knowing they had to fill this segment it looks like Toyota got in front of Honda here by putting the necessary granular effort in. I'm not shocked it turned out well (in concept) for what it is but I am surprised how well it seems to have panned out in the production phase; if they're reliable then call me a supporter, albeit not a buyer.
Yeah, I was surprised how botched the CH-R was - ugly, cramped, and with poor visibility. It was like they turned its styling over to the summer intern. Japanese automakers have often had a very poor idea of what younger buyers want, and I think they figured "expressive" (ugly) was part of that (see also: Nissan Juke). This will appeal to all ages by looking like a normal crossover, just in a smaller size.
The only problem is that this vehicle is UGLY and as PLAIN as plain can be. I like the look, feel and drive of the C-HR (as well as the Safety Sense 2.5). I hate the look of this Corolla Cross vehicle and its old infotainment system as well as the outdated Safety Sense 2.0. I'd prefer an updated C-HR over this -- even if it cost me a little more money.
Really love the intro music for this one, kinda match the CVT aspect of the vehicle.
That exhaust note @6:27 is awesome! Is that part of a sport package?
I know this is suppose to be cheaper than a RAV4 but hear in Chicago the corrola cross and different versions cost more like the LE version is the same or more that the RAV4 base model, so if I was a Toyota customer looking for a cross over there's no way I would buy this over a RAV4.
Theres always price overlap; its cheaper than the rav4, gets better mileage and easier to drive
@@tinhinnh I disagree with all 3. The RAV4 takes practically no effort to drive. I think you could put a 12 year old behind the wheel with no experience and they’d drive just fine.
@@tinhinnh We own a new RAV4 and it is the easiest vehicle to park and drive. It takes no effort to turn on a dime. It also gets really good gas mileage too. Got it just before all the car price craze happened.
@@tinhinnh A dealer salesman did a video and parked the Corolla Cross and Rav4 side by side and they are almost identical in size.
The Rav4 has a bigger engine and a real 8-speed automatic that gets better highway mpg. The cross can be made cheaper with the smaller engine and CVT
@@Argedis The RAV4 is five inches longer, an inch wider, and two inches taller. Yeah, that doesn't sound like much, but it's a typical difference between a subcompact crossover and a compact. The smaller Corolla Cross engine and accessories likely make the hood stubbier, so the actual difference in interior space is less than the length difference siggests. If a buyer could get just as much useful space for thousands less money, why wouldn't they take it? The main think given up is a geared automatic and some noise deadening, but the Toyota CVT is one of the best, and not fragile. The noise is sibjective and would need to be heard.
My car pool buddy and I assessed this for our daily 200 km round trip commute, and in Northern Canada AWD is a must 4 months of the year. At the end of the day, it didn't make sense over the Rav4, when comparing LEs:
Rav4 LE AWD : $30,690 (CAD) at 6.9 L/100 km (41 mpg) - HWY
Cross LE AWD: $28,490 (CAD) at 7.1 L/100km (38 mpg) - HWY
So for $2200 less, you have less space, much less acceleration, less power, a CVT, and worse fuel economy. Rav4 does have steel wheels I believe... still.... I don't see the argument over the Rav4. I would also suspect that the Rav4 would increase that cost delta in resale after five years of ownership also.
The Rav 4 does have 0.6 L/100km worse fuel eco in city driving, however. At least the gas LE AWD. Now, if the cross was available in a manual AWD.... sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. :P
Very true, Rav4s can definitely get very expensive in the upper trims but the LE is great. I think it makes more sense unless you specifically don't want a larger vehicle.
It's 2022. You don't have to call him your car pool buddy anymore.
True, the hybrid Rav4 makes more financial sense than an AWD Cross, especially since the hybrid Rav4 gets better mileage both on the highway and in the city/combined which means you'll hit break even at some point simply by having to buy less gas in the long run. The hybrid Rav4 also has a CVT so that's equal across the board and not actually that bad in daily usage. The biggest positives I can think of for the Cross is that it's a smaller vehicle (the new Rav4 is WIDE compared to the older ones) and there isn't the additional hybrid stuff to possibly go wrong on you if you own it till the wheels fall off.
If you were comparing the gas Rav4, your MPG numbers are far off. The gas AWD Rav4 gets 27/34 (city/hwy) and the AWD Cross gets (29/32). Toyota puts the AWD numbers in the footnotes for some reason. Only the Hybrid Rav4 gets 41/38 (city/hwy).
Possible error on Toyota.ca? Didn’t look at .com .
Lol.
Would love this size of vehicle as a hybrid or EV!
Likely coming soon, just keeping prices low for now.
With that awful powertrain, an EV version can't come soon enough
It is already a hybrid in other markets. I doubt it's coming to the US because it's the same powertrain as the CHR and Americans can't drive slow cars.
@@motorpolitan8884 The hybrid offered in the Asia uses the same powertrain as the Prius but the one in Europe has nearly 200hp.
Stay tuned
"It's purely an appliance." That means, it's the best car for the money.
Hopefully there wouldn’t be an issue going uphill on a highway, and passing if I need to. I am not otherwise a “fast” driver, and this vehicle is the right size.
I initially dismissed the Corolla Cross, but watching this is super fascinating to me as someone who drives a Matrix. There's so many similarities, they could've easily gotten away with calling this thing a Matrix again, there's a lot of the same design philosophies, just updated for the 2020s.
i dont get what they are saying about AWD vs FWD. how does AWD limit understeer? and doesnt the AWD system kick in when there is wheel slip, like for example, accelerating from a stop on an icey road? the roads they are on are bare so how would awd get triggered @7:15
Wondering why they didn't call it a Yaris, or Matrix, or even Rav2 or whatever.
But as someone else said in the comments, "Corolla" is almost a brand of its own, and what makes me believe it is the fact that just the other day, my mom was like "Wait, the Corvette is a CHEVROLET??"
Most people really, I mean, REALLY don't pay attention to cars, even ones they own.
Can you guys review the hybrid. Thanks
The very definition of appliance, I just can't.
Most SUVs/crossovers are appliances and boring to drive. If you want to enjoy driving, you buy a coupe, sedan, or hatchback.
This "smaller" US compact CUV class kind of sucks and this is a perfect example. The awful amount of exterior noise and the terrible powertrain do create "drama" by reminding you that you bought the cheap crappy option every single time you drive it, and you should have spent like $3k more and made a better choice. I'm sensitive that people have limited budgets, but just get something used in the next segment up with some warranty left, or reduce costs somewhere else. I don't think anyone would regret picking up a RAV4, CX-5 etc over this thing, which despite being built in Alabama, gives me those "developing country Toyota" vibes.
Considering this is the best selling toyota here in Brazil, I can definitely say this is the "developing country Toyota". Whats even worse is that here we don't even get the AWD option and the RAV4 is almost double the price.
The car market is too fccked up right now. Used cars cost more than new and dealers are marking up every new vehicle over msrp. There's no such thing as an affordable, relatively new vehicle anymore.
Extra 3k in this market? That's a pipe dream. I went to go look at new CX-5's and they were starting at 6-10k over MSRP. And people were actually purchasing them...
I suspect Toyota will capture a lot of the market with this Corolla Cross due to people just settling for something cheaper.
Not everyone wants or needs a larger car. I test drove every car in this class and the next size up (Rav4, Tucson, Rogue etc) and just couldn't justify spending more for more rear seat space that I'll barely ever use. The Cross ticks all the boxes for me in terms of size, ease of access, cargo area and features and road noise is only noticeable at highway speeds. For normal city driving, it's quiet and comfortable.
When I went in the dealer to get my daughter's 2017 Corolla IM with 36k and not in perfect cosmetic condition serviced I was offered 16k on trade. I paid 18k in 2017. Was going to buy a Corolla Cross (the loaded version) and it would have been over 30k. After test driving and hearing the CVT moan and the terrible acceleration, I said besides the extra space and AWD it is basically the same car as the IM. Ended up with a 2022 RAV4 XLE (With some extra packages) at sticker price. There is no comparison between the two vehicles. My daughters driving has improved since we bought the IM and she no longer has those new driver whoopsies. She just drove it 4 hours back to college and she said "OMG when you step on the gas it goes and just doesn't make noise" Just buy the RAV4 unless you live in an urban area and never go on the highway.
Mr Geese and Jack.
Love the review. A few things.
I bought the hatch because your review was so convincing. I ended up buying a sedan too. Both XSE, CVT and 2020. I’m ditching the sedan for the Cross.
The cross is what the hatch should have been. The backseat is tight and trunk is small. I love the hatch and it looks 1000x better but more space and AWD is driving me to it. The sedan is the odd man out because it just doesn’t work for me. I need a hatch door for work and school. But the sedan is better than the hatch minus the hatch part.
The CVT is fine. If you go in knowing it’s a Corolla and that’s it. You’ll be fine. Both cars are at 60k + and 0 issues. The engine itself is plenty.
Edit: also there’s a hybrid version coming. If that comes with AWD it’ll be a no brainer over the hatch and sedan.
Toyota if you watching please bring the GR YARIS to the states 🙏
For the love of God yes
You guys will get the GR Corolla
Me thinks you don't understand economics and homologation
I LONG for a Gr Yaris 💀💀😭
We are getting the GR Corolla we will be fine
I initially dismissed this car because of the powertrain. But now that it's getting the more potent Hybrid AWD, I decided to come back and revisit this review.
I'd love to see a follow-up of the '23. Toyota just might have a sleeper hit on their hands.
With this on the lineup what even is the point of the CHR? A redundant car from a dead brand using an inefficient sluggish last gen 2.0l.
The CHR is just a big seller for Toyota across the world. It was ranked 30th in terms of overall sells last year for every car sold in the entire world. But after this I bet that won't be for much longer.
CHR looks funky! :)
this is exactly what I said, the CHR offers nothing outside of its looks especially compared to this from practicality to performance
Yeah, I bet the CHR will leave the US market in the next few years.
Corolla Cross is a CHR replacement. I'm in Thailand. They ceased CHR sales and production at Thailand factory in early-2020 and debut Cross in just a few months later.
The cvt is fine as long as Jack is there with him soothing voice 😌
6:32 Did it hold revs at redline? I prefer CVT’s that do NOT fake shift.
It kinda does fake shifts kinda like the Corolla sedan does~ If you want that kinda CVT, go to the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross or the older Mitsubishi Outlander Sport :D And yeah, those who think CVTs need fake shifts, I can understand, but a CVT is meant to be held at redline, and it's supposed to sound like that, like you said. Plus, most people won't even care what a torque-converter or CVT automatic transmission is, and they'll think it's the same~ But the great thing is that this CVT has a physical first gear and responds well~
I am crossing my fingers and hoping to see an SG vid in my feed for the new Elantra N. We really enjoy your work; you are by far the best.
I found the 2004 Matrix quite reliable and almost the right size (I just wish it was as long as the Corolla sedan). It's about time they had a right-sized replacement. Now they just need to offer a manual transmission!
You guys do great reviews, you tell it like it is. The shoppers for this car are not taking it to the "Ring" to do hot laps.
Just leased the LE AWD, since my 2014 Kia Soul was totaled couple of weeks ago.
First impressions after first 260 miles on broke NYC roads. This Corolla Cross rides very well over bumps, smooth ride, Rear Independent suspension make a huge difference, the car is not choppy over broken pavement when cornering, however there is lots of body roll compared to the Soul. The Soul even with its 1.6 liter felt like a go-kart, very precise and controlled but had a very rough ride. I don't think it's a fair comparison to the Soul. This car goes against the Kia Seltos, Nissan Rouge Sport and Mazda CX-30. You said it correctly its a car to go from point A to Point B with no Drama. Nice interior, comfortable seats, inside feels lot bigger than it is, does not feel claustrophobic like the HRV or CHR, has great visibility, back has lots of storage capacity, just a good small SUV.
A great alternative to the RAV 4, if you don't want to spend the money. It really does everything well.
I will not be surprised if it will become the sales leader in its category by the end of the year.
It's produced at another plant meaning more total units created for the brand which means more sales given how hungry the market is right now any stock will sell out immediately. This seems like a cash grab to me but it's a smart one and also nothing wrong with cash grabs...it's the whole point of doing business. Any Brand that can ramp up production and utilize as many factories as possible will win in the next year or two
The one-liners coming out of this channel are fucking gold!
Made for purpose and you nailed that comment. The only thing is the CVT. I would be happy with a torque convertor gearbox even if it meant poorer mileage (kms per litre here in Australia).
CVT kills it for me unfortunately. The rest of the car is extremely well executed.
@@icetruckker CVT kills all cars with it for me. Some reviewers say they are good but maybe I am old fashioned and just like the torque convertor.
I have watched a few of different reviews on this car . You nailed it when you said it was an appliance albeit a reliable one. I will buy one when the time is right.
6:30 caught me off guard. I was in the kitchen when I heard it and I was like wtf, came running to the TV only to get disappointed.
Watching your video made me grow 2 inches , thanks mr geese
It's a practical car and doesn't pretend otherwise. Lot's of people will buy and like it for what it is.
I noticed that the rear springs have sleeves on their lower coils. Years ago I had an Alfa Romeo that had the similar sleeves, rust got to the springs and one broke, deep rust pits cause stress risers which will eventually cause failure.
Maybe it's because your have an Alfa Romeo which is made by Fiat
It was an Alfa - of course it rusted. I'm sure many manufacturers have figure out how to make reliable springs.
@@markmiller3279 Italy got its steel from ComBloc countries, it was inferior.
@@davidhuang2895 Back when I had Alfas they weren't owned by Fiat. I got my first Alfa, a 101 series Sprint back in 1967, had many more through the years until I'd finally had my fill. They did give me reason to learn welding and bodywork, useful skills. Had my last Alfa 25+ years ago.
Is that Jack's GR86 in the final thoughts? Sick color!
Wondering the same thing!
Finally an affordable car review
They reviewed Civic and Civic Si and Santa Cruz. They review adorable cars from time to time.
@@SaintMecha lately it’s been a lot more higher end cars
Perfect video length for a car of this calibre. If it was 15 minutes I would probably not even have started watching. Thank you.
This is in the same price point as a Subaru Crosstrek. Although Subaru is quirky, it’s partly Toyota too- I suppose it just depends on personal taste. Its good to have less expensive options. Happy Valentines Day!🥰
You can get the Subaru Crosstrek in manual. Perhaps not anymore though.
Honestly even as a car guy you can’t hate on this. A solid A to b commuter ride that’s going to handle all weathers fine, have space for kiddos and some gear, go for a billion miles, and return solid mpg. These will be so great to pick up used off the great aunt or grandparents that just needed a simple car and drove to church once a week.
Toyota just guaranteed it this car will always have the Corolla tax
What the corolla tax?
@@bettysmith4527 it means any used Toyota sells for extra money because it's a Toyota.
The blue car behind could be GR Yaris?
If only they brought the Corolla Touring Wagon to the states, but everyone and their mother has to have a CUV instead
indeed
Key phrase: and their mother
The only way to sell wagons in US is to make them fat and donk them.
It's a reliable daily use appliance. This is an honest, unpretentious vehicle that knows what it is; there's no hidden bs here. Toyota announced that the '23 model in North America will have a hybrid option. If they put in a hybrid with about 190hp, it's a hands down winner. I know I'd give it serious consideration for my next buy. An XSE Hybrid would be great.
Had a year-old Corolla rental recently, and the lo-fi, counter-intuitive infotainment rectangle and droning, too-little/too-late CVT were memorably bad. We're a FR-S and Yaris household, and know lo-fi Toyota long-haul cheapness very well. Still, budget comfort is a hard sell against long years of a genuinely dreary drivetrain and stereo/nav experience. Cheers to those able to overlook.
i for one am very happy toyota made this. definitely the best budget AWD hatchback/crossover you can get for the money. i owned a 2022 impreza hatchback coming from a 2020 corolla hatchback solely because i had a need for awd to be quite honest, other than the fact the subaru did have AWD every single other facet of that car did. not. deliver. it rode too soft, the engine pinged, it rolled alot even after adding a rear sway bar, fuel tank was the size of a thimble, the headlamps got condensation in them, the door lock acuator would freeze when itd get slightly cold out, the interior was extremely lack luster, i completely understand that it is a budget minded version i had but there were some severe quality and content disconnects. and for the price difference between the impreza and AWD corolla cross LE , i would have gladly paid that difference for the toyota quality alone
A good alternative to the Subaru Crosstrek. This looks more suv like from the outside, wich is the reason I prefer this over the Subaru.
sooo is this a replacement for the CHR cuz that thing is worse in every way but they fit the same slot
CHR was a big fail in this market. Needed a better drivetrain and interior.
@@savagegeese also heard the visibility was garbage, which looks a heck of a lot better in the corolla cross. Thanks for the reply, big fan of the channel!
@@gm2256 I really wanted to like the CHR but the quirky styling really hurt its functionality combined with a really trashy drivetrain killed it for me and like you mentioned the visibility was also compromised
An excellent review 👏
This new CUV from Toyota is going to sell like hotcakes! This is type of vehicle so many consumers prefer.
Do you still need a proprietary attachment to remove the oil filter? My F15 X5 shouldn’t be easier to service than my 2010 RAV4, but it is.
Geese, please review the 2022 Honda Insight Touring. You're missing out on a good car here.
Keep up the good work!
So where does this differ with the CHR? Is this bigger? More powerful?
I feel like there’s just way more plastic than before and less paint. Don’t people realize that makes it look cheaper???
majority of consumers won't care Specially for this market
That’s what you’re paying for, a simple affordable vehicle not caring about aesthetics
Americans are crazy about crossovers/SUVs. Toyota could make an SUV using plastic and human feces and it would sell out every day.
I didn’t think about this vehicle at all. I’m so glad you guys made a video about it, just wanna see your pretty good vehicle which are other people about special winners brokers I am lol.
The cx30 is a far better car. I’m bias because I own one but it returns similar fuel economy numbers with a 6 speed and not a cvt, has FAR more power and pickup, and a much better interior. Yes space is down a little, but the performance alone is in a different league.
But I’m happy to see Toyota take sales from the abhorrent cross trek and their clueless drivers leaving their high beams on doing 10 under everywhere
Not to mantion class leading inteior and features like HUDs are rare and it has one... And Mazda being Mazda you can get a great deal like I was offered a MX-5 grand touring for $30k as it was last years model... But it was not a Mustang so I got $9k off one of those instead.
you made my day! 😉
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough I got a CE turbo right off the truck last year for $3200 off sticker, definitely a steal being the CE turbo was a one year only run
Is there a hood scoop option?
It feels like all the "big" cars from the early 2000's like the rav4 or the Subaru outback have just gotten bigger and bigger over the years so they take smaller cars and make them fill the spot those got too big for.
That's exactly what they do. I believe this weirdness happens because one competitor makes their like-for-like vehicle bigger to gain sales and the other one has to respond the same way and it just keeps going from there until now they need to re-fill that old size spot with a new vehicle. Keeps things interesting I suppose.
Whens the Corolla Cross GR Hybrid coming?
People may laugh at this, like they laughed at the Honda HRV.. and now look how many you see on the road. This is a Toyota so it'll be even more common and very practical in urban environments
It’s cheap, that’s why.
@@FishFind3000 I wouldn't say it's cheap.. it's affordable. The Nissan Versa is cheap.. the Toyota Yaris is cheap. This fills the void of where the Rav4 and CRV used to be, who've since become unaffordable due to the "SUV tax" / "Honda tax" / "Toyota tax"