WILL BERUBE MAKE MARNER MORE LIKELY TO LEAVE LEAFS?
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- Gino Reda and host of OverDrive Bryan Hayes, discuss what could be Big Changes coming to the Leafs roster, including what could become of Mitch Marner's future as a Maple Leaf.
#MitchMarner #AustonMatthews #CraigBerube #LeafsNation - Спорт
What should be the first order of business for the Maple Leafs this offseason?
Comment your thoughts down below 👇
A goalie to tandem with Woll. Then find a replacement for Liljegren. Resign Bertuzzi, Domi, Dewar, Gregor, Lyubushkin.
Get an #1 d-man and move Rielly to the 2nd pairing don't have him on the ice for any d-zone face-offs and take him off the top PP unit. Zero threat from the point with his fluke 20 goal season. The guy has averaged under 8goals a yr since the 20. He is a #3 d-man and is overpaid for just having one ability, pass the puck to star forwards and pickup assists. A 4.5M d-man can do what Rielly does and might have some d-zone ability.
Try and get Linus Ullmark from Boston as your number 1 goaltender.
Ditch the Mitch
@@epants8507 Move the guy who missed playoff games because he had a headache
Shut up Gino. Let the guy talk
Leafs need a goaltender 1st and foremost
Marner is a dream playmaker….in the regular season
And his plays are successful 1 out of 10 attempts. Useless.
I would like for fancy passing plays to work in the post season but that rarely if ever happens
he's a nightmare player in the playoffs
@@davidjohnson-fw5co 50pts in 57 playoff games. Not exactly Conn Smythe numbers, but most certainly NOT a nightmare.
Then keep him for the regular season and trade him at the deadline lol
Is Reda the guest or Hayes? Why channels have these segments where the host constantly interrupts and doesn't let the analyst get a full thought out of his mouth drive me crazy.
Reda has always been lacking in every thing He does on TSN, I honestly have no idea why TSN has held on to Him as long as They have.
^ facts
1000% accurate. What does he even contribute at this point in his career? Let any schmuck ask Hayes the question and just have him listen and wait for Hayes to finish speaking.
Tarasenko would not backcheck, Berube moved him to the 3rd line until he begrudgingly started working harder.
Kyrou was tied for the worst plus minus in the league and would not skate without the puck. Berube bumped him down and eventually had to sit him a game. Then Burbe gets fired as a scapegoat, and Kyrou gets booed off of home ice.
Berube does not put up with lazy players.
Put in effort, whether you are out matched or not.
How’s he going to deal with Nylander if he doesn’t like lazy players?
Marner is not a lazy player. He plays on the PK for a reason.
is the audio OFF??
TSN is ALWAYS quiet
TSN has to fix the lack of volume on this channel I can hardly hear anything. Please!!!!!
Very true, but don’t worry, the ads are full blast ear drum piercing
Clean your ears
No issue hearing anything. Perhaps your earphones/speakers are the issue.
30.8 billion this companies worth can’t get a working mic
@@Qmocean No it's TSN
You can lead a horse to water but you cant force it to drink ultimately Marner choses if hes going or not this season
The core 4 are all about stats and fancy plays and getting their money even though they have won nothing. I don't believe they are about the team at all. Leafs management is at fault for the mess their salary cap is in. None of Matthews, Marner or Nylander are captain material at this point in their career. The culture needs to change and every player needs to be accountable for all aspects of the game and many of them including the core 4 are not. That needs to change and it might under Berube if he has support from Treliving and Shanahan and that is an unknown at this time. I would still look to trade at least 2 of Marner, Nylander and Matthews. It would dump salary and you can likely get enough in return or have enough cap space to bring in other players that would make you better a team.
Marner isn’t Berube’s type of player.
not at all
If Marner isn’t a Berube type, the winger may very well find himself benched a whole bunch of times should said winger stay with the Leafs next season (as much as I don’t want Marner to remain).
He was a great player for Dale Hunter. Berube is an easy guy to play for compared to Hunter.
Who want a $11M player, who will most likely the highest priced player, that completely disappears in the playoffs.
like 34 and 88
Really you are lumping nylander into that? Fuckin casual as fuck
Vancouver? Oh...wait...they already have one
Utah for starters
@@1960taylor88 scores a few at least
Bro this is an absolutely wild narrative lmaooo
Are you densed?
The most encouraging thing was how many times i heard "we want to play north". Watch evey team left they get the puck behind you and create turnovers and get chances immediately after the turnovers and repeat. Compared to were going to pass and skill our way through the neutral zone and play keep away until we get the perfect chance. Much more difficult to repeat. Sheldon figured it out but only after teaching the complete opposite for years. The boys are going to be fast and forward for Berube, thank god.
ya didn't need to photoshop the frown for fuck sakes
WOW what iconic talk on TSN my god amazing true ad true about the blue mail it perfectly brother wow Hayes.
Stfu Gino stop interrupting
If Berube expects Marner to play like Marchand in the playoffs, then that tells Mitch his Leafs days are over. Mitch isn’t able to go into the dirty areas of the offensive zone to battle for the puck.
Also let's remember how polarizing people were on Willy when the Amazon series was out.. this is just how the maple leaf news cycle works
How many of Matthew's goals did Marner set up ???
ALMOST ALL OF THEM !!! 😂
If the Lefs don't want Mitch, I'd love to see him go to Chicago 🥰
They need a nick Paul or Alex tuch , big winger scoring touch physical, #1 D
Sit the bumbs from the Core 4 in the press box, and don't play them if they refuse to be traded.
LOL. Read the rules Dumbo.
I hope so… we are in need of a no.1 goalie… Saros is a solution to that
Saros has struggled in the playoffs…sound familiar?
He’s too small.
I agree! Marner for Soros !
@@ChrisTempleMusicNever trade a high end forward for a small unpredictable goalie playing in a smaller market to the biggest market in hockey. Saros doesn't look like he could handle the pressure.
Hayes is hyped up like he just did a few lines of cocaine. I'm definitely sure he does cocaine.
Hayes nailed it!…. Next season is a washout for the Leafs!
Thanks Shanahan!. Great job!
Players like Marner and Wheeler score a lot of points. But at least Wheeler can fight, play centre and enjoy a few playoffs runs. The big issue is why would a team ever pay a player like Wheeler or Marner $11 Million - before say they bring a cup to a city like Toronto? 😀
Craig's checklist number one item: teach players how to check
Marner cannot become a hard toughnose player just because that’s required of him.
Gino Reda should be hosting a game show in las vegas..oh yeah and the leafs are a joke
One thing that I've thought about for about 2 years now that I don't hear discussed is the ages of these players. Going into the 2024-25 season Matthews will be 27, Marner will be 27, Nylander will be 28, Rielly will be 30 and Tavares will be 34. Now knowing Tavares is coming off the books after this year that still leaves the rest of the core coming very close to 30 where usually a player loses speed as this game is so fast now. Without a marner or Tavares trade next season seems like a wash as they won't have enough cap space to balance this roster out. I doubt anyone takes the Tavares contract for what hes worth now, and Marner may not waive his no trade so that means the core we keep are that much older.
Berube may be 8:54 a reason for Marner wanting to play elsewhere. Marner wisely tends to avoid corners, scrambles in goal area and along the boards. Those areas are where nasty players hang out and treat the opposition in an unfriendly manner.
When the playoffs start, the puck tends to be pursued by rough players.
The choice is to go in and fight for the puck or stay on fringe and your team is outnumbered in the battle area. The coach may want all players to be involved in the play.
Hayes understood the assignment! I wish the situation plays out in the straightforward way that most see it. Only time will tell. Tavares can't stay while changing the cores message. Matthews IS the Captain going forward.
It doesn't matter if you pay Marner or pay someone else to replace his caliber your still going to pay whoever and it's not guaranteed to be any better.,and it could be a lot worse, let's wait and see !
The media..."we just call it as we see it"..."Trade Marner...Move Marner...Make Marner leave" Just calling it as they see it
And he is not going anywhere.
This Toronto media is the real Problem, and the fans who spend 1k to go watch a Hockey game.
@@yazdani3289 Fans that spend $3 for their lunch off a coffee truck are more of an issue as they take their cues from the Sun and any disgruntled Scrub who mewls like a kitten sucking on a hind teat crying like a kid whose Christmas presents were stolen and want someone to pay dearly for that.
@@matthewm8961 He's better than Nylander or Tavares...all have a NMC
@gordonbgraham he's definitely better being invisible and soft than Nylander in the playoffs. U saw how willy gave lil mitchy sh*t in game 4?
It needs to stop with the "core (insert number here)" the entire point Berube had to have been making is the fact a team doesn't win on the backs of just 4 or 5 guys..
Hayes's face going purple, bloated, yelling about the Leafs 😂
I think the fan base has a bigger impact on marner than the new coach
No changes in 2024/25. Berube may be able to light a fire under the underperformers when Sheldon Keefe couldn't. Sheldon Keefe was consistently outcoached in the playoffs. Don't see that happening with Berube.
They should try to sign Brossoit in free agency.
Nylander may be a marginally better offensive player than Mitch now, but there's no chance he brings more to the table overall.
Marner is an exceptional PK'er and ES shutdown guy. Points are not the only things that win hockey games.
He not the only player on the team that can kill penalties lmao
Nylander is a far better player than Marner
@@mckessa17 Ridiculous
Agreed with Marner being better defensively but Nylander is better offensively - goals are worth more than points and Nylander is a 40+
Goal guy that’s a meaningful difference from Marner so to me they are fairly equal - Nylander is meaningfully better offensively (and in the playoffs), Marner is better defensively…but Marner wants more money than Nylander so I’d rather have Nylander at a lower cap. Marner reportedly wants $12.5+
@@mckessa17 No he isn't
Marner for Saros, Glass, and a first round pick.
These guys have been thinking about Marner for so long they've created this fantasy, Leafs don't want to get rid of Marner. They took the big step and possible got rid of the problem of being out coached in the playoffs and they have no intention of getting rid of their big asset.
They brought in the proper low paying depth but lost them by stupidity and by dishonesty. Not keeping Lafferty was the stupidity and O'Reilly and Acciari wasn't offered a good contract right away because those two gave the Leafs the impression they were excited to be in Toronto and the Leafs thought they wanted to stay. The two of them did St Louis a great favor before leaving for the Leafs, they got St Louis 3 good draft picks before heading to the teams they'd rather play for.
Yeah, and Tavares is playing great at the World Championships.
Why is everyone in the media trying to trade him? Nobody wants to talk about his high ankle sprain? His game is completely altered when his mobility is affected. Stupid to move him.
Leafs can take advantage of situation and pay him less.
Get penalty killer to replace him so he has the jam to make a difference when it matters
Leafs need two things a vet G who can win some playoff games and a Dman who can play with Reilly. But if Tavares is a 3rd line C we need another impact player to beat Florida or NYR.
Keefe coached to pad regular season stats and it crippled the Leafs for comtract negotiations. Marner is a $6m-$7m player. Nylander, Tavares are the same. Reilly is a 3rd dman on a good team.
It had nothing to do with their stats. Nylander only had 61 points before he signed his first extension. It had to do with an inexperience GM that got played. John Tavares contract was also the reason everyone else got a raise. Giving out bad contracts with NTCs in Leafs nation is nothing new.
No idea if it will make a difference however I sure like the "it's all about the team, not individuals" starting point and doesn't that give Marner for one, a revised starting point. He is definitely a team player.
if im lying im Bryan
Gino Reda such a legend
Legend in clown world
Seriously? There are people that Gino doesn't aggravate? Hayes isn't one of them 😅
At least they make the playoffs! They're not trading Marner no matter how much the TO Media are trying to run him out of town. You don't trade talent. Without Marner's 100 points, Leafs don't even make the playoffs!
It’s not yet clear whether the Leafs will move Marner this offseason. That said, he has disappeared too often come playoff time unlike during the regular season.
@@wainber1 The whole team disappears in the playoffs. Not just Mitch
@@wizzerwiser2056 So many players, during the recent Leafs-Bruins playoff series, disappeared that I see Martin Jones and Joe Woll as 2 of just a handful of keepers going into the start of preseason play in September.
He should be stripping pucks from ppl, getting points steady and no turnovers to make worth of this ridiculous contract. Rebuild defensively and get a playoff goalie
Nobody’s going anywhere.
NTC make it impossible!
The players with this have All the power.
If they move on from Marner. He walks or they sign him and trade him with a new contract.
Tavares will play out his last year.
Berube job is basically a new voice with a new system. There will be new faces in the line up next year. Like every other year.
the number of goals in the regular season does not matter when you can't put anything up in the playoffs...everything is viewed through the lense of the playoffs so I don't care about regular season anything (other than getting into the playoffs of course)
Marner is a major tributary to Matthews being a 50 plus scorer. The Leafs must be careful in trying to go two steps forward at the cost of slipping ten steps backwards. Balancing the Payroll throughout the lineup will not automatically translate into wins in the playoffs. Losing in the seventh game in overtime with two of your key stars not 100% healthy should tell us that Keefe and the Leafs were not far off playoff success.
Pfft. And how many goals has he assisted for Mathiews in playoffs?
@@willsk7068 Not many but then again. How many goals has Mathews scored in the playoffs. Marner has better career playoff stats.
LOUD NOISES
They fkd up when they paid Tavares 11 mil....5 mil too much. That was goalie money. This cant all be blamed on Marner.
Marner's not leaving because of any coach or how they run the team. He can't block the noise out. He claims to, but it's clear in his interviews that he's still hearing the noise. Very few hometown kids handle it, that's why teams don't target local boys in the draft and thry don't flood their hometowns as UFAs. It's at least all the canadian cities. Habs only have 3 quebecers and no hometowners. Sens have 1 hometown player. Jets don't even have 1 manitoban. Flames don't have any albertans, let alone any calgarians. Oilers have 3 albertans, 2 are hometown. Canucks only have 3 from BC in their whole system, none from vsncouver, none are regular starters. You can't shut out the noise as easily as your teammates because a lot of it is coming from people you have known your whole life.
As it is you'll basically always lose a Marner trade. Throw in him having a no-move and teams knowing its only going to be them "in the hunt" for Marner? You'll get such a dogshit return I honestly don't even think its worth doing.
Moving out Marner for peanuts just to be seen doing something is a great example of Toronto's lunatic fans basically shooting the team in the foot.
Running is back is delusional marner is doesn’t wanna be hear dude is upset/defensive every press conference lmao
GIno lumps in Nylander into gets what he wants. He was paid under 7 million. Was Best contract on the team
At the time he signed it wasn't. He got the same money David Pasternak got. No way is Nylander on Pasterak's level.
Hayes is so wrong ! The change starts NOW ! Not in 13.5 months 😂😂😂😂
Changes will happen, he just meant they may not totally pay off until then.
I hope Marner says: "I am not going anywhere. You gave me a no-movement clause in my contract and I am going to exercise my right to stay."
If he resists being traded, then Berube will exile him to the press box all season long. Not many teams will want a nonteam player.
@@Landis_Grant There is 0% chance he is sent to press box all season long.
@@Landis_Grant No chance Marner goes to press box all season long. They aren't putting a $10.9 million dollar player in the press box all season long. Plus, doing that would destroy his potential trade value. Marner has all the power and control here, like it or not.
If I were Marner I'd tell the Leafs to shop me around. Then only agree to the worst trade proposal offered and sign wherever I want next year.
You dont get rid of marner just to get rid of him. Its the height of stupidity. Tavares is technically the only horrible contract
You are beyond delusional. Can’t wait for you Marner fanboys to leave with him.
Burube wants Marner gone so he can claim his old jersey number back. ;)
Tavares is not an issue as a 2c or 3c, he's as good in that spot as most in the league... yes he is diminishing... So the problem is he's paid as a 1c. I have zero problem keeping him, he earned his deal (even though it was a mistake).... and will resign at money that works well for the team moving forward. Now saying that.... Dubas really screwed up in getting him... He wasnt needed, didn't fit, and we may still have Kadri and Hyman had he not signed Tavares.
That money should've been used to sign veteran D men to allow the young guys like Sandin and Lillygren more time to develop. It also forced them to trade a first round pick to rid of Marleau's contract because they had no cap space to keep him
There is zero chance that Marner will be traded until near the 2024-2025 deadline. Berube needs to see what he can do with such a talent before he and Treliving agree that a trade is best for the team.
Even if they could trade Marner this is a bad idea.
Marner could be done ✔️
The Toronto Maple Laughs: Same sh!t, different year.
You comment about them everywhere 💀 in your head rent free
Get lost
Marner is shaking in his wheelies.
Why? He holds all the cards...Maybe you think Berube will replace him with Gregor on the PK? Who is gonna play PP1 when Willy gets a headache? Robertson?
@@gordonbgraham I can tell you’re upset with the inevitable. Marner is gone and I told you about him long before. Just like myself and others told you about Keefe, until you decided to change your tune at the very end. Some people are Marner fanboys and his fan first before the actual team. You know what I’m implying when I say some people.
@@HandShakeLineRespect I’m not upset. I was disappointed that the Leafs didn’t win, but I don’t take such things personally like child whose Christmas presents were stolen and wants someone to pay for it. I cheer for my hometown team and in particular guys from Toronto. Keefe is a good coach. He’ll land on his feet.
@@HandShakeLineRespectMarner will do exactly what Nylander did. He will play out his season,and sign an extension sometime over the season. He will not be traded. If the Leafs don't offer an extension, he walks at the end of the season and then he can choose his location.
@@johnsummerhill8323hopefully they chase him out of town. They can't keep going on like this with mitch the bitch. His softness and disappearance is unacceptable for 11 mil..sorry
No, he won’t, But he will coach him up and demand more in the playoffs.
Current Leaf team is miles away from a Stanley Cup. Just look at the current teams playing in the finals. Ton's of heart and grit. The Leafs are way to soft and lack big time in the net. Thanks Dubas and Shanny for wasting years here. It's a current mess!
. Marner plays defense power play penalty kill and scores over a point a game and you experts want him gone .
Think 3 of the 4 aren't going to fit with the new coach
Marner, Cowen, first rounder
for
Mcdavid, pikard😅😅😅
Mitch is a generational player . Last time a player of the level was traded it was Joe Thornton . How did that turn out for Boston ?
It's incumbent on all Toronto media outlets to LOUDLY announce our desire to acquire the services of Leon Draisaitl and Connor McDavid, by outbidding all offers once they become available. The coach has little to do with it. The Toronto fan base deserve superstar players that actually want to win a Stanley cup, are willing to sacrifice their body/health to accomplish this..unlike the current overpaid "regular season dynamos" that wimp out come playoffs, claiming headaches, or a runny nose..give me a break..the reason Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Orr, Howe, LaFleur, Bossy, Crosby are revered as the greatest players of all time is because of PLAYOFF success, not regular season, sadly the current lot of overpaid Leafs will inevitably be forgotten like all the other guys that never one a cup if they don't produce, and succeed in the playoffs.. Bowmanville Dave
Yes, Marner doesn't fit Berube's style of play/coaching, but I don't understand the level of heat he's taking (puck watching on the last goal of BOS series aside) for the the team not moving on, it cane down to one goal, was it him? Them not moving on is nothing new. Let's not talk salaries because they are inflated and ridiculous.
Players like Nylander, Marner, & Brodie, will not last under Brodies style of play
They screwed up already by giving Mathew’s 16 m and Nylander 12.
Marner will not get more than 10 million per year from any other team in the NHL !
Yes he will. He'll get 100 points this season and a team will pay.
I would have traded Nylander...princess plays zero defence.
The biggest mistake the Leafs have made over the past few years is handing out so many contracts with no-trade clauses. Not only did they overpay most of the top players, they gave them all the control too.
would keep a Marner before Tavares old loosing a step and young rising star.. lets start to remove some near 100 point forward and get a no points goalie and a 20-25 point D and see where we ned up next season.. in the playoffs or out?
I hope marner buys into berubes system and they get their money from Tavares. They can use Brodie and Bettuzzi money to sign a top d man
Sign Marner for 8 years and transform the d core
That Hayes guy was interesting to listen to
😂😂😂😂😂 I hope Marner doesn’t waive his no trade clause and leaves for nothing! lol
how is it a debate marner vs nylander? marner is clearly the better player. nylander will never be a selke candidate and this was likely nylanders best season. marner can actually get better than what is peak has been which was already better than nylanders peak.
Because Marner is a 20+ goal scorer and Nylander is a 40+ goal scorer … I am not impressed by 2nd assists and the whole point argument is a farce - there’s 2 assists for every goal, goals are more important and the ability to score on your own shot matters even more…in the playoffs
@@BA-kp1us well it doesnt matter what you think is more impressive, the GMs of the league value marner more than nylander and it will show on his next contract.
Marner is not going anywhere, and Berube will be fired if he makes him cry
When I want to see clear delusion in the NHL I tune into Leafs hockey. Never fails. Would take Marner in a Heartbeat and you all will get scalped when you trade him. He BLEEDS BLUE and you all blame him for everything. I mean Matthews was DOMINATE this playoffs. Taveraes has been DOMINATING. Nylander was DOMINATING. Our Secondary Scoring WAS DOMINATING etc etc etc FFS you people must have forgotten there are 31 other teams. Its INCREDIBLY difficult to win it all, and no one deserves ANYTHING. You earn it. They will or they wont but the hate is embarrassing
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Failure in the playoffs is a team matter and not on a single individual. How is Tavares a local boy and Marner not? In fact in their insignificant playoff effort in the past 8 years it is Mitch Marner that has the most points. The fact is that you lot are trying to run a star out of the city. The whole team needs a new culture, a new attitude. Stamkos did not win his first ring until he was 31 years old, mitch is 26. Hope Berube can re-set our stars to see it differently and hope that other new players are added that can make a difference. If Marner can be signed for the same price as Nylander, he should be signed. I saw what Patterson did in Vancouver and what Pasta did in Boston (and they have much better players around them) hence I can not believe the witch hunt you guys are on. I hope he signs, if not I hope he goes on to win the cup and give you lot the same answer Nazem Kadri did when he won with Colorado.
The smallest guy of the core 5 by 30 pounds or more people expect to be the most physical. I don't see Willie, Matthews, JT or Rielly making any big hits or taking one to make a play. Let's pick the best playmaker and PK guy who is possibly the best 2-way winger in the league. If Marner is gone let's see how well Willie does against top pairing d-men in the playoffs. Rielly is a #3 d-man and shouldn't be on the ice in any d-zone situation or on the #1 PP.
You’re beyond delusional. Those other players that won the Cup after leaving the Leafs were support players on their new team. They weren’t a soft, frail star who demands almost $11M and will be asking for more. No team will win the cup with Marner being in their top 3 highest paid players.
@@HandShakeLineRespect Willy missed playoff games...because he had a headache. Who's to say he won't have a headache next spring. Maybe move off of Nylander and use his money for more stout D. McMann can tap in tape sauce from Marner if Matthews continues to fumble it up and gag in the playoffs...like he has to date.
@@gordonbgraham Migraines as well as his vision being affected. What’s Marner’s excuse? There is none, he’s too small, scared and weak. He’s gone and you’re going to have to deal with it. There’s no hypothetical situation you can say.
@@HandShakeLineRespect He's gone if he wants to be next season. After that of course the leafs don't have to re-sign him.
Domi was an MVP in the playoffs compared to marner
1 goal in 7 games...MVP?
Stupid post.
I hope so.
Marner is immature and unmotivated.
A change of scenery and with age hopefully he will come to realize what being a team player is come playoff time.
I can't watch any segment with Gino. Drives me nuts. Like, shụt up already! Even Hayes looks tense in these segments and has to talk 1.5x his normal speed just to try and finish a sentence. Gino's gotta go.
Asking fans to wait another 13.5 months? No thanks. The window could start closing as that 4 move well past prime and Reilly didnt look that great either this year. You have a team improving as their stars decline from prime. Ask anyone a forwards prime is 25 to 26. All of them are past in 2 seasons. Like it or not they will realize big changes are inevitable after 8 years.
If all it takes is Berube for Marner to do a 180 and want to leave Toronto, well, that says a lot more about Marner, than anything else.
I highly doubt that's the case.
After playing a few years for Dale Hunter, I am sure playing for Berube is no issue.
I hope so..lol
Shanny has to go to make any meaningful change
Mariner isn’t going anywhere. Cap relief will come at the end of next season. They need to focus on shoring up the D and goaltending.
Im not a Marner fan. That being said, I cant see Nylander surviving under Berube. Hes notorious for taking games off, and playing lazy hockey.
Nope....Mitch should tell the leafs to FO
Yes he should play for a team and fanbase that don’t want him 🤨….
If he wanted to tell the Leafs to FO he’d take the trade to where He wants and then bring his A game when he plays them.