Seems like the game and developer did... But 2K games, a bit publisher is a dinosaur that doesn't like evolution. It'd rather die than survive and change it's thick skulled ways.
lhi05 Considering a communist government has never actually been attempted (Lenin was the closest, but Stalin was a right wing fascist in the disguise of a communist government), good luck.
@@dannyboy5008 DLC in fighting games is somewhat justified.Characters take effort to make and balance with the rest of the roster. And in most cases it's not like companies are cutting characters to resell them later to you. And 5 dollars is a fair price IMO. At least I didn't feel scammed when buying Noctis in Tekken 7 or Joker and Byleth in Smash...
And fast forward to 2019...we have Ghost Recon: Breakpoint and NBA 2K20. A wise man once said, "Let's all laugh at an industry that never learned anything tee hee hee."
This video highlights something that Nintendo should probably get more credit for in my opinion. We saw shit tons of footage, hands on demos at E3, and a ton of interviews about Breath of the Wild before they ever opened Pre-orders.
This really puts into perspective why former Turtle Rock head writer Matt Colville has voiced his personal distaste of "gatekeepers" between creatives and their audience. I feel bad that Turtle Rock's legacy is so closely tied to Evlove's ignoble death-- they seemed like a really cool bunch of people. EDIT: It seems that Turtle Rock lives on and may be in talks with Microsoft about something? Hopefully brings them back into things.
Doesn't matter who made it. It's being played by everyone because it's good just as it would've been forgotten if it were bad. A Developer isn't what gives a game longevity. If No Mans Sky had Rockstars name on the box it would still be shit. Think before you speak.
You're speaking out of ignorance so here's some information. A VAST amount of Overwatch players don't gaf about who made it & haven't played other Blizzard titles. What DOES appeal to them is a FUN title, REGULARLY UPDATED by a FREQUENTLY COMMUNICATING team of Devs. Nintendo's "Brand Recognition" didn't stop the Wii U from failing. Bungie made FUCKING HALO & turned around and made Destiny which, at launch specifically, was shit. If you believe Overwatch to be in the same league as other bullshit out atm, you're entitled to your wrong opinion but everything going on with it is what the industry needs more of.
6:36 There. That's what killed Evolved for me. Weeks of playing against that monster where as soon as you catch them, they would just fly up to the sky and be at the complete other side of the map and you'd be back to square one. It would then just evolve and kill everything. FUN!
Must say; I love the new song. Sounds like a barely-contained crazy circus, like something that would be played in a horror movie before the horror began and everything still seemed fine.
I was basically done with Evolve at the stage when they'd never show us actual unedited gameplay, but did show fake gamers/eSport dudes saying they are shaking from this experience. That's pretty much the 101 sign that should warn ppl not to buy the game. Well, this and the fact that Tutrle Rock weren't ever particularly good developers anyways. Left 4 Dead wasn't bad, per se, but... it's just ok. There's nothing groundbreaking in it, it's just an okay game, a well polished indie game level. To see from the get go how they were bragging about their ability as devs and quality of their unreleased project without even being good in the first place was anticlimactic at best.
The bit at the end about neglecting making a good game *now* in favor of trying to use it as a vehicle to sell future content also applies to movies. Some modern big-budget movies are so concerned with setting up future installments and a shared universe that they forget they have to give the audience a reason to care about the movie they're watching.
It looks so different from the alpha/beta footage I saw years ago. It originally had small monsters in indoor facilities, and both the monster and human sides would unlock cool powers over time. The monster could spawn creeps to scout and harrass, and actually evolve over time into bigger monsters with cooler abilities. Most of the time the monster would be crawling through vents and stuff to try and catch people alone. It had a cool 'Aliens' vibe. This looks like shit compared to that. Big monster smash humans. Humans shoot monster. Bleh
"You only get one first impression." I like this statement because it sums up things pretty nicely when it comes to games rolling off the assembly lines with gaping holes in the first place. Final Fantasy XV is so hurriedly stitched together that you can see the cotton spilling out through its hastily sewn together seams, so Square Enix is rolling out free patches and additional story content to fix things up. Some people might applaud them for that, but it's really no different than patching a broken game like, say, Assassin's Creed: Unity.
on the "oh, Ubisoft" moment, I do gotta say I'm not really all that bothered by the microtransaction options for cosmetic changes. but it's definitely still an eye-rolling moment. because, really, if you recognize so obviously that your microtransactions are unpopular, to the point where you have to pretend they aren't microtransactions when they clearly are, why the fuck even bother putting them in? XD that's like asking to have egg thrown on your face. Ubisoft, please. be smarter than that.
You hit the nail on the head with this one mate. All the money evolve wanted for a 5 player shooter with a average at best demo is exactly why my money stayed in my pocket that Tuesday.
Anedime " to make yourself think you're being clever, you might consider just saying nothing, you'll look smarter." Speaking of looking smarter, ironic that you didn't consider that he couldn't be clever and was legit curious. I'm not clever either, i'm just saying.
Comparing the pre and post release strategies of Overwatch and Evolve side by side is a brilliant way to see how incredibly well you can market, launch and support a multiplayer only game and how tremendously badly you can fuck it all up.
It's worth noting that on the topic of second impressions, Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn stands as a clear (albeit rare) example that it is possible to rebuild your failing game successfully and indeed release a superior product.
Id argued that evolve had a second release when stage 2 came out, it spiked with its higher player base throughout all the years its been out and when the new players who just decieded to stay, it was still higher then the original evolve peak still, but it was 2K who decided to kill it off, even though it was doing so well
I feel like instead of a good game I could enjoy they gave me a disappointing watered down version of a game I really wanted with a bullshit ending that is just a slap in the face to the fans of the series, the best part about it was they gave me bioshock 1 and I already had that game
You know, I'm having a hard time thinking of any remotely good 2K games this gen that weren't a) sports games b) a remaster of a last gen game or c) made by Sid Meier's team Firaxis. They are undoubtedly the most overrated publisher this gen.
When i first heard of Evolve i was excited and was looking forward to playing. Thankfully i never pre-order because after learning about the money grubbiness i never bought or played the game at all and im glad. The people who have the say on those grubbing decision will likely never learn.
My friends and I will hop on Evolve from time to time to play and it's such a shame what happened to it. The game has always had its problems but we always have a blast (granted we generally have four of us in any given match).
If Stage 2 had been the initial release, and TR/2K hadn't decided to make it a DLC storefront rather than an actual game, Evolve could've had a strong showing. More's the pity.
Evolve's asymmetrical gameplay could still be a valuable game concept. People have been begging Capcom for years to let players play as the monster in Monster Hunter.
The game had a rocky start, yeah, but TurtleRock were saving it with Stage 2, the player base was rising way back up. It was 2K that killed it. I loved this game when I played the alpha, and still love it now.
I know a guy who bought this, defended it to its death. The bought NO man's sky and defended that to its death. He is that perfect consumer who preorders and pushes these horrible messes.
See also under "botched launch with no chance for recovery": No Man's Sky. After being duped by sup-par launches of both Star Wars Battlefront and Street Fighter V, it felt good to have dodged that bullet.
I actually played Evolve Stage 2. I enjoyed it, but only to a point. It was a multiplayer centric game, so any significant advancement in any way was nill because the multiplayer was just outright dead. The solo mode was also incredibly boring. Being the only person playing wouldn't normally be all that bad, but the team AI is just dogshite. The monster AI was even worse, always running and by the time it fought or did anything worthwhile it was stage 3 and a bitch to kill. The only compliments I could give it are A) A lot of the characters were pretty cool (even without any real explanation as to why one was a bugman) and B) The concept of 4 people up against something immensely strong, intelligent and frightening sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.
I think what really killed it wasn't the DLC but the flippin match making system when they tried to get competitive. You could sit on there for an hour and a half afterwards and you'd get stuck in a game with zero other actual players, all because of matchmaking. I liked playing, i hated waiting. Even bad players were better than none. Also needed a local splitscreen mode, that was a big dissapointment.
I think the lesson Indie Studios should take from this is don't get in bed with AAA publishers, crowdfund your game and make it on your own terms with input from your contributors. Basically, fuck publishers you don't need them anymore.
Hey Jim, Would you consider looking into Scalebound and the odd happenings that lead to it being canceled? I had to do some digging to find anything out myself and none of it is particularly clear.
Evolve's failure is just a shame. The concept was good and asymmetric multiplayer is such a rarity in big games, not to mention Turtle Rock going F2P with it & overhauling the game shows they were, at least to some extent, dedicated to making a good product. But holy shit was that DLC model horrendous.
I feel bad for the guys who originally came up with the idea for the game and got completely fucked by all this. Imagine feeling thrilled at being given the go ahead to create your idea for a game only for this disaster to happen around it.
The "joke" was that he didn't like the way his new banner ("Too Glossy") looked on camera, so he "got the old one back from the tip". Think it was two JQs ago.
10:34 - I'm actually really interested to hear what Evolve veterans thought of the changing features mentioned here. Are there any floating in the comments with opinions? i can think of a couple of examples where an early access game is released. And then alienated it's early adopters by changing core mechanics too much to attract new people.
SovietWomble holy shit. A wild Womble! As to the question i was generally pissed. Basically took everything we paid for, gave it away free then gave us basically nothing in return imo
+USAFace666 but what about the mechanics? For example, were some things simplified or dumbed-down for broader appeal?. Were matchmaking systems installed that run roughshod over community etiquette and server character? Did the new player surge people contribute to that community or just provide easy targets? That kind of thing.
SovietWomble the mechanics felt to me any way pretty samey but did also feel much smoother and faster. The surge of players did help matchmaker do its job and felt like i got put with people of roughly same progression level i was but new players did seem to be more sheep to the slaughter for vets in monsters as they knew the in and outs while they are still learning maps or a class
SovietWomble i bought the game from the beginning, played it when it was in alpha and honestly i got my moneys worth after playing it for over 100 hours. i loved the cat and mouse feel of the original build and was really disappointed by the cease of production. honestly to me it was one of the best games I've ever played, it had some gameplay issues but yeah the dlc thing was the worst bit, i bought all the characters etc but again i got my moneys worth. wish someone will take evolves idea and do another one without the bullshit
Stage 2 was much better than the original. Honestly, it was fun and interesting. Never had to pay for anything because I could just use the in-game system to buy the few things I wanted. I gained a reputation for being a terrifyingly good Monster. Life was good.
No way! It's a beautiful contract, Jim Sterling in the foreground, with the trash in the background, make's the trash look the best it's ever been! (Just kidding Jim love ya :p)
This was less depressing than Battleborn. Battleborn died because it was forced into a fight with a game it had no chance of winning against, this one lost due to legitimately poor decisions.
Well, frankly it was forced into anything by no other than people who made the game. Marketing and business models do matter. Take any great game, I dunno, freaking Skyrim, and make it cost 10 times as much. I doubt it would ever reach the same popularity simply due to accessibility. People would just roll with alternatives.
@@jorlok_zander Okay... but Battleborn didn't cost 10 times as much as Overwatch necessarily. Battleborn was just not really marketed that well; it was something actually substantially different than Overwatch, but it still made many dismiss it, despite its merits, because they just didn't know enough about it.
@@Yawyna124 You're dense. Battleborn is a mess of a game. A visual cluster fuck. People didn't dismiss it because they didnt knew enough about it, people dismissed it because it looks and plays like absolute shit
@@pierreo33 he's not dense, he has an opinion contrary to yours. Battleborn did have merit. It wasn't perfect by any measure, but did some interesting things with the moba formula.
@@pierreo33 agreed Battleborn was just a shit game it had plenty of coverage. I downloaded the PS4 beta waited 35 mins for a game , started in a plain room at 20 FPS , the framerate was awful , and the over the top garish visuals didn't help. Overwatch , i downloaded was in a game in 10 seconds and it looked lovely and ran at 60 FPs. I never loaded Battleborn again.
I hope Evolve is never forgotten. Not because I think it's a good or anything like that, but simply because I want people to be reminded how the AAA gaming market is run. When you see ads or trailers for a new game, you have to forget about getting hyped for that vague per-rendered bullshit and start researching about the game just to find out how much DLC it is planned to have (Since everyone has DLC in mind while developing the game for some reason), you need to see how many special editions it has so you can get all the posters, figurines, or iconic neckties you want while buying the game, and you need to learn if the game is going to be released in it's beta version, with the rest of the content coming out as patches over a few months time.
Tibasu I hope evolve is never forgotten either. not for the reasons you stated but because the gameplay was fucking fun. There I said it. I loved evolves gameplay. Yes the dlc plan and story were shit but god dammit I want someone else to make another humans vs monster game. It was so much fun to feel like a videogame boss and just crush whoever got in your way. if anyone does make a spiritual successor to this game, which like I said I hope someone does, I just hope they handle it better than 2K did.
Fun fact: both Evolve and No Man's Sky successfully returned on their investments and then some. So, the question remains -- who is really being fu-u-u-u-cked: greedy, shameless publishers and developers, who laugh all the way to the bank, or stupid, easily manipulated gamers, who refuse to learn anything from past experiences and time and time again buy into the hype and continue supporting scummy practices of this shitty industry, making sure that they will most certainly be f-u-u-u-u-ucked again many many more times?
They do laugh to the bank, but their goodwill can run out if the fail is big enough. No Man's Sky devs will have it very hard to make a new game, as all media will crash on them reminding everyone of the clusterfuck. EA did also get it's investment back and more with Simcity 5. It rode on a way of nostalgia, and a good IP, but that got destroyed, and now they have a dead IP they cant milk anymore, whereas had it been just slightly less bad, they could bank on it for more games. They went so far the IP imploded, and from the crater other city builders rose to grab the genre throne. And now Maxis is dead, and I highly doubt EA will try again. Hype remains, of course, but fucking it up enough can get people to distrust a company. And I say this as someone that did pre order SC5.
And the people who tell you to completely ignore reviews, and just buy the game to try for yourself perpetuate the problem. Games are $60 brand new. That's a lot to take a gamble on whether or not a game is good. I'm not saying all reviews are good (ign's review of God Hand says hi). But smart consumers don't just rely on one source to tell them if something is good or not. But that requires people to do more than the basic minimum, which is way too much for some. These practices by giant publishers are going to cause another crash. It probably won't be any time soon, but it's coming. And I, for one, welcome it.
What makes me laugh nowadays is how Jim's observation of... "Already Evolve was forcing pre orders down our throats without any gameplay" ...is exactly what Destiny 2 is doing.
I am from the end of time. You are all f-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuct. Everytime a game is sold before completion time remaining in the universe is shortened. I come from the year 2525. Everything in 2525 is sold before completion. Not just games; everything. Including food, water and air. The gaming industry followed other business models including the stock market. Selling what doesnt exist. If the game offerings didnt do good. The game never got made. A sad state of business.
Zeithri Well, to be fair, someone did ask what I was talking about, I replied with the plug (because I just enjoyed the game and felt like trying to give it some attention, even if in the smallest way), then they deleted their comment. It looks a lot more shameless now than it did about a half-hour ago. Not a lot I can do to prove that, seeing as their comment is gone, but it honestly doesn't matter all that much anyway. Second, yeah, "Read Only Memories" is a better title than "2064: Read Only Memories". And lastly, what's awful? My plug? The game?
Fuddy Duddy You're oversimplifying it. Its not simply punching someone you don't agree with. That Nazi was trying to preach views that would promote "ethnic cleansing" aka genocide. Its one thing if it was simply an opinion of one man, but he has a following and is also actively working towards putting his beliefs into action. Idk abt you but promoting genocide is more harmful than a Nazi getting a punch to the face. Maybe now he can keep his "opinions" to himself because then he won't get punched in the face.
Nah, not EVERY video. Just every time he says "punch" or "strike" or something like that. Also he should say "punch" or "strike" multiple times in every video.
Another game that had potential, but got f*cked up by greed. Giving mod tools to the community could've really helped with the replayability. People still play Left 4 Dead today because of mods.
David Stratton I think it mostly has to do with Microsoft and Sony's fees for issueing free content updates. Tons of multiplatform games that got free updates only got them for PC. Like Awesomnauts, Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, etc.
IamJacksColon4 Well, you can argue the concept of Doom is to run around and shoot stuff. I don't thing a concept can be too simple. It's all about the execution.
nothing wrong with concept the issue was the execution it was poorly done, game play gets old quick they didn't really do anything to make experience more interesting, barely and good game modes, etc.
Funny how evolution and adaption couldn't save Evolve... Ironic, even..
It was created by an intelligent designer. Thats why it didnt work.
Hah, nice one :D
"That's not irony, it's just coincidental!" -Bender
Seems like the game and developer did... But 2K games, a bit publisher is a dinosaur that doesn't like evolution. It'd rather die than survive and change it's thick skulled ways.
"The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that IS irony!"
I'm a simple man: I see a Nazi get punched, I press the like button
If it was good enough for Captain goddamn America, it's good enough for me.
lhi05 feel free to try. Evidence shows you'll get put down hard. :^)
Matt Crowell "Its only ok when we do it".
BaronRedWings It's okay because we don't want fucking genocide.
lhi05 Considering a communist government has never actually been attempted (Lenin was the closest, but Stalin was a right wing fascist in the disguise of a communist government), good luck.
"15 dollars for a single character"
what is this,a fighting game?
Even the greediest fighting games charge $5 a character
diablo 3 ?
Technically?
@@dannyboy5008 DLC in fighting games is somewhat justified.Characters take effort to make and balance with the rest of the roster. And in most cases it's not like companies are cutting characters to resell them later to you. And 5 dollars is a fair price IMO. At least I didn't feel scammed when buying Noctis in Tekken 7 or Joker and Byleth in Smash...
in stage 2 you can just play grind for them
This is why I never drop 60 bucks on multiplayer online-only games. AAA games should never have expiration dates.
"Oh Ubisoft. We're rolling our eyes because we're not surprised."
Give them a minute.
And fast forward to 2019...we have Ghost Recon: Breakpoint and NBA 2K20. A wise man once said, "Let's all laugh at an industry that never learned anything tee hee hee."
This video highlights something that Nintendo should probably get more credit for in my opinion. We saw shit tons of footage, hands on demos at E3, and a ton of interviews about Breath of the Wild before they ever opened Pre-orders.
So now more people have officially seen this than bought the physical copy of Evolve
I'm a Boglin.
You might say Evolve reached an evolutionary dead end...
I just love you Jim don't really have much else to say: this programme is the only game-related thing that matters.
This really puts into perspective why former Turtle Rock head writer Matt Colville has voiced his personal distaste of "gatekeepers" between creatives and their audience. I feel bad that Turtle Rock's legacy is so closely tied to Evlove's ignoble death-- they seemed like a really cool bunch of people.
EDIT: It seems that Turtle Rock lives on and may be in talks with Microsoft about something? Hopefully brings them back into things.
Do Destiny. A story-free, repetitive, money grab that unfortnutately, financially, was successful -_-
Mister Dark fallout wasn't the best , but it didnt have bugs at launch
If you believe Overwatch isn't better than most out there you're an idiot. Blizzard knocked it out of the park.
***** the microtransactions would have been much more critized
Doesn't matter who made it. It's being played by everyone because it's good just as it would've been forgotten if it were bad. A Developer isn't what gives a game longevity. If No Mans Sky had Rockstars name on the box it would still be shit. Think before you speak.
You're speaking out of ignorance so here's some information. A VAST amount of Overwatch players don't gaf about who made it & haven't played other Blizzard titles. What DOES appeal to them is a FUN title, REGULARLY UPDATED by a FREQUENTLY COMMUNICATING team of Devs. Nintendo's "Brand Recognition" didn't stop the Wii U from failing. Bungie made FUCKING HALO & turned around and made Destiny which, at launch specifically, was shit.
If you believe Overwatch to be in the same league as other bullshit out atm, you're entitled to your wrong opinion but everything going on with it is what the industry needs more of.
6:36 There. That's what killed Evolved for me. Weeks of playing against that monster where as soon as you catch them, they would just fly up to the sky and be at the complete other side of the map and you'd be back to square one. It would then just evolve and kill everything. FUN!
Evolve- The game that broke my heart.
Twice.
Must say; I love the new song. Sounds like a barely-contained crazy circus, like something that would be played in a horror movie before the horror began and everything still seemed fine.
The inclusion of the 'Allo 'Allo theme made me slightly emotional.
I was basically done with Evolve at the stage when they'd never show us actual unedited gameplay, but did show fake gamers/eSport dudes saying they are shaking from this experience. That's pretty much the 101 sign that should warn ppl not to buy the game. Well, this and the fact that Tutrle Rock weren't ever particularly good developers anyways. Left 4 Dead wasn't bad, per se, but... it's just ok. There's nothing groundbreaking in it, it's just an okay game, a well polished indie game level. To see from the get go how they were bragging about their ability as devs and quality of their unreleased project without even being good in the first place was anticlimactic at best.
I kinda want this to be its own whole series.
The bit at the end about neglecting making a good game *now* in favor of trying to use it as a vehicle to sell future content also applies to movies. Some modern big-budget movies are so concerned with setting up future installments and a shared universe that they forget they have to give the audience a reason to care about the movie they're watching.
It looks so different from the alpha/beta footage I saw years ago. It originally had small monsters in indoor facilities, and both the monster and human sides would unlock cool powers over time. The monster could spawn creeps to scout and harrass, and actually evolve over time into bigger monsters with cooler abilities. Most of the time the monster would be crawling through vents and stuff to try and catch people alone. It had a cool 'Aliens' vibe.
This looks like shit compared to that. Big monster smash humans. Humans shoot monster. Bleh
"You only get one first impression." I like this statement because it sums up things pretty nicely when it comes to games rolling off the assembly lines with gaping holes in the first place. Final Fantasy XV is so hurriedly stitched together that you can see the cotton spilling out through its hastily sewn together seams, so Square Enix is rolling out free patches and additional story content to fix things up. Some people might applaud them for that, but it's really no different than patching a broken game like, say, Assassin's Creed: Unity.
All I remember about Evolve is I kept seeing advertisements for it that said nothing but it existed.
The one good thing about No Man's Sky: It made Evolve's PR shenanigans look tame.
"Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee"
Never stop never stopping Jim!
The flashback made me miss the old background music even more. JIM PLEASE. BRING BACK THE OLD MUSIC!
#MAKEJIMGREATAGAIN
6:40 Wraith was no 'Pre Order Monster Character'. Behemoth was; he got added months down the line and was considered weak.
I've been waiting to see a video on Stage 2 for ever
on the "oh, Ubisoft" moment, I do gotta say I'm not really all that bothered by the microtransaction options for cosmetic changes. but it's definitely still an eye-rolling moment. because, really, if you recognize so obviously that your microtransactions are unpopular, to the point where you have to pretend they aren't microtransactions when they clearly are, why the fuck even bother putting them in? XD that's like asking to have egg thrown on your face. Ubisoft, please. be smarter than that.
BECAUSE WE WANT MONEY!
God how I miss the original Evolve... Say what you will, I had a heck of a great time playing it with my friends.
You hit the nail on the head with this one mate. All the money evolve wanted for a 5 player shooter with a average at best demo is exactly why my money stayed in my pocket that Tuesday.
this is one of the best jimquisitions I've seen in a while, thanks Jim. Good Job!
love that you know The Ancestral Trail :D
Pretty good scorn in the way you say "triple A", keep it up Jim
Thank GOD for Jim.
People still play The Division?
Anedime said the one who necro’ed a year dead comment....GG good sir
Anedime its obvious youre very passionate about the division but no need to show it.cry some more.
Anedime " to make yourself think you're being clever, you might consider just saying nothing, you'll look smarter." Speaking of looking smarter, ironic that you didn't consider that he couldn't be clever and was legit curious.
I'm not clever either, i'm just saying.
pratt
Just like destiny, people very much enjoy very easy bullet sponge simulators
Comparing the pre and post release strategies of Overwatch and Evolve side by side is a brilliant way to see how incredibly well you can market, launch and support a multiplayer only game and how tremendously badly you can fuck it all up.
It's worth noting that on the topic of second impressions, Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn stands as a clear (albeit rare) example that it is possible to rebuild your failing game successfully and indeed release a superior product.
Id argued that evolve had a second release when stage 2 came out, it spiked with its higher player base throughout all the years its been out and when the new players who just decieded to stay, it was still higher then the original evolve peak still, but it was 2K who decided to kill it off, even though it was doing so well
Good use of Nazi punching, Jim.
LotusGramarye can I punch you then cause you like using such tactics? No cause I'm not a fucking idiot nazi like you
+ethan mountain I'm guessing you don't have a sense of humor.
John Smith sure thing not about terrorism I have no humour
Mild trigger
+ethan mountain Shut up, you fucking nazi apologist. By that definition, nazism is terrorism and antifa are merely reacting to implicit violence.
allo, allo and adieu, adieu René
2k games ruined bioshock infinite, when I preordered the game I was sold a completely different game
And when I heard only a 20 dollar season pass I was excited but the dlc was only worth 5 dollars
I feel like instead of a good game I could enjoy they gave me a disappointing watered down version of a game I really wanted with a bullshit ending that is just a slap in the face to the fans of the series, the best part about it was they gave me bioshock 1 and I already had that game
Evolve shows us that without the previous success of former titles 2k games is just another triple A developer
2K is ruining games in general. Mostly for the gamers, while building their bank accounts instead.
You're looking down right svelte, Mr. Sterling. I hope your weight loss is continuing to go well. Thank god for you!
That Jim Sterling guy you quoted seemed pretty smart, but I think he sounded like the Jimsaw killer... Nah, that is crazy talk.
for shame Jim don't punch fascists in the face
BASEBALL BATS AND OTHER BLUNT OBJECT CAN CAUSE MORE DAMAGE
Arausito Like Based Stickman. He attacked the actual fascists.
You know, I'm having a hard time thinking of any remotely good 2K games this gen that weren't a) sports games b) a remaster of a last gen game or c) made by Sid Meier's team Firaxis. They are undoubtedly the most overrated publisher this gen.
Watching this with the Allo Allo theme in the bg, only to realise 'Rene' has passed away. :(
When i first heard of Evolve i was excited and was looking forward to playing. Thankfully i never pre-order because after learning about the money grubbiness i never bought or played the game at all and im glad. The people who have the say on those grubbing decision will likely never learn.
Thank God for 11:17
My friends and I will hop on Evolve from time to time to play and it's such a shame what happened to it. The game has always had its problems but we always have a blast (granted we generally have four of us in any given match).
Watching this now..he was right.. 2K were the ones to do it again.
If Stage 2 had been the initial release, and TR/2K hadn't decided to make it a DLC storefront rather than an actual game, Evolve could've had a strong showing. More's the pity.
Evolve's asymmetrical gameplay could still be a valuable game concept. People have been begging Capcom for years to let players play as the monster in Monster Hunter.
After my first day of student teaching, I can come home to thank God for Sterling.
at first, I thought you were weird, now... you're growing on me Jim Sterling, I like you
probably still weird but at least likeable now I've given you're content more time :')
Thank god for Jim
weird i just got alerted from you tube this was published? Anyone else?
I love the allo allo music behind the oh ubisoft segment
Well you gotta give them credit for being upfront about everything.
The game had a rocky start, yeah, but TurtleRock were saving it with Stage 2, the player base was rising way back up. It was 2K that killed it. I loved this game when I played the alpha, and still love it now.
I loved evolve, but the massive issue was with the monsters/characters being 5500-9500 credits, and winning a game would get you like 10-50 credits..
I know a guy who bought this, defended it to its death. The bought NO man's sky and defended that to its death. He is that perfect consumer who preorders and pushes these horrible messes.
One thing i will never forget is how much most of the gaming websites were hyping the shit out of it.
See also under "botched launch with no chance for recovery": No Man's Sky.
After being duped by sup-par launches of both Star Wars Battlefront and Street Fighter V, it felt good to have dodged that bullet.
Digging this one up to compare it to the leadup to Back 4 Blood...
I actually played Evolve Stage 2. I enjoyed it, but only to a point. It was a multiplayer centric game, so any significant advancement in any way was nill because the multiplayer was just outright dead. The solo mode was also incredibly boring. Being the only person playing wouldn't normally be all that bad, but the team AI is just dogshite. The monster AI was even worse, always running and by the time it fought or did anything worthwhile it was stage 3 and a bitch to kill. The only compliments I could give it are A) A lot of the characters were pretty cool (even without any real explanation as to why one was a bugman) and B) The concept of 4 people up against something immensely strong, intelligent and frightening sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.
TLDR: Evolve had potential but got shat on and despite a (nearly) complete reworking it never truly went anywhere
I miss the old background music...
I think what really killed it wasn't the DLC but the flippin match making system when they tried to get competitive. You could sit on there for an hour and a half afterwards and you'd get stuck in a game with zero other actual players, all because of matchmaking. I liked playing, i hated waiting. Even bad players were better than none. Also needed a local splitscreen mode, that was a big dissapointment.
"I'm always right - except the times I'm wrong"
*All ways are good, except for the bad ones*
16:22 RIP Gorden Kaye. Between Gabe and Gorden dying (and not Trump), 2017 is looking just as bad as 2016.
The moment you turn to violence or try and silence someone else, you become the bad guy.
I think the lesson Indie Studios should take from this is don't get in bed with AAA publishers, crowdfund your game and make it on your own terms with input from your contributors. Basically, fuck publishers you don't need them anymore.
_Ein Fuhrer_ JimJam Fucking Sterling Sonny Jim is *_never_* wrong! Its always Chip's fault! Goddamnit Chip...
What happened to the background poster?!
Hey Jim, Would you consider looking into Scalebound and the odd happenings that lead to it being canceled? I had to do some digging to find anything out myself and none of it is particularly clear.
Evolve's failure is just a shame. The concept was good and asymmetric multiplayer is such a rarity in big games, not to mention Turtle Rock going F2P with it & overhauling the game shows they were, at least to some extent, dedicated to making a good product. But holy shit was that DLC model horrendous.
Did Jim ever looked at Space Beast Terror Fright? When I think to a funny cooperative shooter I think to it.
It's a real fucking shame though
even now I REALLY want to like it
like I still sit and actively wish it was good sometimes
>:
Looks like Evolve was finally buried under the Bullshit Tree when it toppled over.
If THQ wasnt dead, it would be after this shit come out...
A story of how greed and f*ck up a good ideal.
I feel bad for the guys who originally came up with the idea for the game and got completely fucked by all this. Imagine feeling thrilled at being given the go ahead to create your idea for a game only for this disaster to happen around it.
Hindsight is 20/20, and hindsight tells us that ideas like Evolve are rare. Which is really really sad.
what evolve does in 2017 is the normal in 2019
So sad, still true today
And even more normal in 2020. Let's check back next year to find out about 2021
@@jcorwin651 nope. Still the same, mate :(
@BlackWatchAmbush hahahahaha truu.... :(
Jim, has Konami raided your set?
It's looking like that Life of Black Tiger game.
At least his set has a stable framerate
The "joke" was that he didn't like the way his new banner ("Too Glossy") looked on camera, so he "got the old one back from the tip".
Think it was two JQs ago.
Sir Musty But it didnt get greenlight by Sony though.
Sir Musty #fuckonami
That's too many details for LoBT.
10:34 - I'm actually really interested to hear what Evolve veterans thought of the changing features mentioned here. Are there any floating in the comments with opinions? i can think of a couple of examples where an early access game is released. And then alienated it's early adopters by changing core mechanics too much to attract new people.
SovietWomble holy shit. A wild Womble! As to the question i was generally pissed. Basically took everything we paid for, gave it away free then gave us basically nothing in return imo
+USAFace666 but what about the mechanics? For example, were some things simplified or dumbed-down for broader appeal?. Were matchmaking systems installed that run roughshod over community etiquette and server character? Did the new player surge people contribute to that community or just provide easy targets? That kind of thing.
SovietWomble the mechanics felt to me any way pretty samey but did also feel much smoother and faster. The surge of players did help matchmaker do its job and felt like i got put with people of roughly same progression level i was but new players did seem to be more sheep to the slaughter for vets in monsters as they knew the in and outs while they are still learning maps or a class
SovietWomble i bought the game from the beginning, played it when it was in alpha and honestly i got my moneys worth after playing it for over 100 hours. i loved the cat and mouse feel of the original build and was really disappointed by the cease of production. honestly to me it was one of the best games I've ever played, it had some gameplay issues but yeah the dlc thing was the worst bit, i bought all the characters etc but again i got my moneys worth. wish someone will take evolves idea and do another one without the bullshit
Stage 2 was much better than the original. Honestly, it was fun and interesting. Never had to pay for anything because I could just use the in-game system to buy the few things I wanted. I gained a reputation for being a terrifyingly good Monster. Life was good.
Jim's set has seen beter days
No way! It's a beautiful contract, Jim Sterling in the foreground, with the trash in the background, make's the trash look the best it's ever been! (Just kidding Jim love ya :p)
The crisis gets everyone
I think it's the contrast between perfection and trash... poetic, almost
Your spelling has seen "beter" days.
beter-geuse
This was less depressing than Battleborn. Battleborn died because it was forced into a fight with a game it had no chance of winning against, this one lost due to legitimately poor decisions.
Well, frankly it was forced into anything by no other than people who made the game. Marketing and business models do matter. Take any great game, I dunno, freaking Skyrim, and make it cost 10 times as much. I doubt it would ever reach the same popularity simply due to accessibility. People would just roll with alternatives.
@@jorlok_zander
Okay... but Battleborn didn't cost 10 times as much as Overwatch necessarily. Battleborn was just not really marketed that well; it was something actually substantially different than Overwatch, but it still made many dismiss it, despite its merits, because they just didn't know enough about it.
@@Yawyna124 You're dense. Battleborn is a mess of a game. A visual cluster fuck. People didn't dismiss it because they didnt knew enough about it, people dismissed it because it looks and plays like absolute shit
@@pierreo33 he's not dense, he has an opinion contrary to yours. Battleborn did have merit. It wasn't perfect by any measure, but did some interesting things with the moba formula.
@@pierreo33 agreed Battleborn was just a shit game it had plenty of coverage. I downloaded the PS4 beta waited 35 mins for a game , started in a plain room at 20 FPS , the framerate was awful , and the over the top garish visuals didn't help. Overwatch , i downloaded was in a game in 10 seconds and it looked lovely and ran at 60 FPs. I never loaded Battleborn again.
I hope Evolve is never forgotten. Not because I think it's a good or anything like that, but simply because I want people to be reminded how the AAA gaming market is run. When you see ads or trailers for a new game, you have to forget about getting hyped for that vague per-rendered bullshit and start researching about the game just to find out how much DLC it is planned to have (Since everyone has DLC in mind while developing the game for some reason), you need to see how many special editions it has so you can get all the posters, figurines, or iconic neckties you want while buying the game, and you need to learn if the game is going to be released in it's beta version, with the rest of the content coming out as patches over a few months time.
Tibasu as long as Dtoid and escapist keep jims stellar jimquistion videos future generations of gamers will be forever weary.
Tibasu well said
"generations of gamers will be forever weary" lol. i dont think that's what you meant but it's true
Tibasu n
Tibasu I hope evolve is never forgotten either. not for the reasons you stated but because the gameplay was fucking fun. There I said it. I loved evolves gameplay. Yes the dlc plan and story were shit but god dammit I want someone else to make another humans vs monster game. It was so much fun to feel like a videogame boss and just crush whoever got in your way. if anyone does make a spiritual successor to this game, which like I said I hope someone does, I just hope they handle it better than 2K did.
Fun fact: both Evolve and No Man's Sky successfully returned on their investments and then some.
So, the question remains -- who is really being fu-u-u-u-cked: greedy, shameless publishers and developers, who laugh all the way to the bank, or stupid, easily manipulated gamers, who refuse to learn anything from past experiences and time and time again buy into the hype and continue supporting scummy practices of this shitty industry, making sure that they will most certainly be f-u-u-u-u-ucked again many many more times?
Agent 005 ergo, us customers are fuuuuuuucked♡
This is what I've been saying for awhile, they wouldn't be doing this bullshit if people didn't buy it.
They do laugh to the bank, but their goodwill can run out if the fail is big enough.
No Man's Sky devs will have it very hard to make a new game, as all media will crash on them reminding everyone of the clusterfuck.
EA did also get it's investment back and more with Simcity 5. It rode on a way of nostalgia, and a good IP, but that got destroyed, and now they have a dead IP they cant milk anymore, whereas had it been just slightly less bad, they could bank on it for more games.
They went so far the IP imploded, and from the crater other city builders rose to grab the genre throne.
And now Maxis is dead, and I highly doubt EA will try again.
Hype remains, of course, but fucking it up enough can get people to distrust a company.
And I say this as someone that did pre order SC5.
And the people who tell you to completely ignore reviews, and just buy the game to try for yourself perpetuate the problem. Games are $60 brand new. That's a lot to take a gamble on whether or not a game is good. I'm not saying all reviews are good (ign's review of God Hand says hi). But smart consumers don't just rely on one source to tell them if something is good or not. But that requires people to do more than the basic minimum, which is way too much for some. These practices by giant publishers are going to cause another crash. It probably won't be any time soon, but it's coming. And I, for one, welcome it.
***** Tbh I never thought No Man's Sky ever looked remotely interesting, I never got the hype.
A reminder that IGN gave this like a 9
Probably because 2K bribed them
I wouldn't trust any big name review media source. I mean, really?
Even Rory Fingers is more reliable than IGN. Infact, Rory pretty much imitates IGN's review style
David Stubbs yea the game is like a 5/10 at best
What makes me laugh nowadays is how Jim's observation of...
"Already Evolve was forcing pre orders down our throats without any gameplay"
...is exactly what Destiny 2 is doing.
I am from the future. I have dire news for you, friend
I am further in the future with even more dire news
Shit went down hard, my friend.
I am from the end of time. You are all f-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuct.
Everytime a game is sold before completion time remaining in the universe is shortened.
I come from the year 2525. Everything in 2525 is sold before completion. Not just games; everything. Including food, water and air.
The gaming industry followed other business models including the stock market. Selling what doesnt exist. If the game offerings didnt do good. The game never got made.
A sad state of business.
i am the future
Hey Jim, nice job in 2064: Read Only Memories.
Thank you! I think I got away with doing it okay.
Jim Sterling plays a character in 2064: Read Only Memories.
Check it out on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/330820/
It's a really enjoyable game.
I do have to give the developer some kudos in simply updating the base game rather than trying to sell it separately.
Zeithri
Well, to be fair, someone did ask what I was talking about, I replied with the plug (because I just enjoyed the game and felt like trying to give it some attention, even if in the smallest way), then they deleted their comment. It looks a lot more shameless now than it did about a half-hour ago.
Not a lot I can do to prove that, seeing as their comment is gone, but it honestly doesn't matter all that much anyway.
Second, yeah, "Read Only Memories" is a better title than "2064: Read Only Memories".
And lastly, what's awful? My plug? The game?
Why? I played Depression Quest today and it was great game.
Please include the clip of richard spencer getting punched in every video from now on!
Yes, we need a constant reminder that we now actively support violence against people we don't agree with.
I feel violence is justified when someone's talking about how to most efficiently cause a genocide.
Fuddy Duddy Conversations are null and void the moment someone starts talking about commiting genocide on me and my family
Fuddy Duddy You're oversimplifying it. Its not simply punching someone you don't agree with. That Nazi was trying to preach views that would promote "ethnic cleansing" aka genocide.
Its one thing if it was simply an opinion of one man, but he has a following and is also actively working towards putting his beliefs into action.
Idk abt you but promoting genocide is more harmful than a Nazi getting a punch to the face. Maybe now he can keep his "opinions" to himself because then he won't get punched in the face.
Nah, not EVERY video. Just every time he says "punch" or "strike" or something like that. Also he should say "punch" or "strike" multiple times in every video.
Hearing the Allo Allo theme on the day that Gorden Kaye died :(
And what a way for me to just find out.
There goes another great comic performer. :-(
_postin' in a Jim thread_
Well, fuck :(
Jim Sterling he shall be missed hello hello ( i hope you get the reference , i think i did It right doesnt hello hello translate to allo allo?
I was just talking about him today when i found out about it a few hours later :
Another game that had potential, but got f*cked up by greed. Giving mod tools to the community could've really helped with the replayability. People still play Left 4 Dead today because of mods.
"Lets all laugh at an industry that never learns anything, Tee-Hee-Hee!"
... Evolve died? I heard about it going free-to-play. I didn't hear about it after that.
HA! not on console. So way to cut yourself off from millions of consumers, obviously didn't want to save the game that much.
When a $60 game with a shit-ton of DLC suddenly goes free to play, it's like being moved into end of life care.
BrotherAlpha "Going F2P" is like saying "Diagnosed with cancer."
the number of games it has WORKED with are few enough to name: Lord of the rings online, star wars the old republic, others?
David Stratton I think it mostly has to do with Microsoft and Sony's fees for issueing free content updates. Tons of multiplatform games that got free updates only got them for PC. Like Awesomnauts, Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, etc.
hah, im watching this in 2019... Its funny to think we thought this was terrible just a few years ago. This is just how AAA games work now.
The concept of Evolve was too simple to build an entire game around it.
the concept of street fighter is 2 dudes fighting, i dont think it was too simple of a concept just poor execution
IamJacksColon4 Well, you can argue the concept of Doom is to run around and shoot stuff. I don't thing a concept can be too simple. It's all about the execution.
The concept of Tetris is too simple to build an entire game around it.
nothing wrong with concept the issue was the execution it was poorly done, game play gets old quick they didn't really do anything to make experience more interesting, barely and good game modes, etc.
IamJacksColon4 the concept of pong is reflecting a ball. I don't think it was to simple of a concept it's all about execution