Breath of the Wild: Hyrule's Ancient Fossil ORIGINS?
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Are there any connections between Hyrule's fossils and the Leviathans of ancient times?
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Random question for today; do you think that Stallord from Twilight Princess is a Leviathan? I have my doubts as the term is used to describe a "sea monster" or "whale". Anyways, have a Sunday!
Sure why not
If we use the word "Lethiathan" in relation to a giant beast, and not focus on whether it was water based or not, it would be considered a lethiathan, on par with its size and such.
Also, do you remember the creepy beasts from the master works? Such as the spider covered with eyes and chains, or the wierd, three-legged twig looking beast? Mabye these fossils are of creatures of similar size. Imagine one of those giant things running towards you like a action horror movie, like pacific rim...
It looks like it could be one that was reanimated. But other than that i have no clue 🙃
This just reminds me of "Is ______ a kaiju?"
I have my doubts as well..He was a cool boss to fight..Still look forward to the battle ...No matter how many times I have fought him...
Link comes back with pictures of the wrong skeletons.
The scientists: “so no head?”
Im-
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I just wonder if all these fossil, which were usually rarely seen if at all in Zelda games, were dug out when the Hylians searched for Shiekah technology 100 years ago. That would explain their preservation.
The drought theory probably refers to a period after Spirit Tracks, when Hyrule finally resurfaced from under the sea. Since it is after one of the 3 timeline-ending games, the reason you couldn't find those skeletons before is that they weren't there, the creatures they belonged to probably died closer to BotW than to any other game
That..... actually makes a ton of sense
@@Adahn99 Actually Spirit Tracks is referred to a new Hyrule that was found after Windwaker Link and Tetra's sea exploration. Spirit Tracks is the result of hundred of years since they first discovered it and made it the new Hyrule. Old drowned Hyrule was never resurfaced.
@@nocandy33 After Spirit Tracks, not Spirit Tracks itself. While the new Hyrule is built, the old one is still under the sea, until at some point in time it resurfaced and recolonized, becoming the Hyrule we see in BotW
@@Adahn99 Ah yes and the fact that sea salt can be found on mountains and the fact that Rito and Koroks are there. Also Va Ruta and Mipha’s diary referencing a Zora loving a Hylian before being a reference to Ruto who was a water sage by the start of the adult timeline split. Yet the only proof I see from the Downfall timeline is the existence of Lynels but nothing from the Child timeline unless DLC items are canon lol. Also maybe the killed Ganondorf in Twilight is the same preserved one in BOTW 2.
Anyone else spend hours looking for the ice leviathan in Lanayru?
I actually had to look it up when I played this game 😧😧😧
I actually was looking for the shrine first in the cave. I rolled the snowball into the door the first time, but it didn’t work, so kept trying to find a way in. Later, I finally looked it up and realized it was rolling the snowball, which I already tried. It made me so mad. 😤
I actually had to look it up 😅.
the Frisk of Underrun same
I was looking for it and when I threw the snowball expecting treasures or a shrine and I saw the whale it was just like "that's why I couldn't see it in the map, I could've wasted even more time trying to see where it was, I'm so lucky I've found this snowballs"
Me walking and noticing the bones: ah yes bones
NBC: Hmmmmmmmm
No hate i love it 😂
Nämen tjenare
@@bababooey5703 what
I'm always amazed at the thought put into the theory videos. I'm glad someone does and I enjoy the videos. For me, I just enjoy the game. For example, I've played the game 4 times now, including taking pictures of the leviathains, and the video just now taught me that their heads were different. :)
@@lesterloz3915 yeah it's amazing
Comments: LaSt TiMe I wAs EaRlY tHe LeViAtHaNs WeRe AlIvE
The three Leviathan Scientists want to know your location.
This is what the audio in the video sounds like.
Gerudo's fossil : the same species as the Wind Fish.
Probably not the Wind Fish itself, it probably died when Lanayru's sea became a desert centuries prior Skyward Sword.
Eldin's fossil : the same species as Levias.
The concept arts depicted him with the hole made by Bylocite, so it could be levias itself.
Could it be that he breath the ashes from the volcano and died ? That's a lame death for the Guardian of the Sky ...
Perhaps he clashed with another deity ? Volvagia ? Volvagia was once the master of death mountain and a tyrant, its descendant, Valoo, became a Sky Guardian Spirit like Levias was.
Hebra's fossil : ??????
Jabu Jabu's species ? Maybe not ...
How the Hell did a regular whale founds its way here ?
Judging by the Zonai designs on the doors, it might be the oldest of the three, as old as the mountain when there was a sea between Hyrule and the rest of the continent, he got caught into ice and burried within the mountain.
Others :
- The ones found in the Gerudo desert seem to be the remains of large modulgas.
- The ones found in Death Mountain could be the remains of Dodongos, they seem to be extinct as well ...
- The one at Lanayru seem to be from a large snake ... or perhaps a Water Dragon like the one depicted in OOT's Water Temple said to be a deity for the Zora.
- There is another large fossil at Tabantha surely from a Dragon.
There are many fossils from dragons that were used by the Bokoblins and Moblins to build their most powerful weapons.
It could be that there was an era when dragons were roaming freely on the land.
Could be the same Era as the Zonai as they worshiped Dragons as well.
Nonoctoro Nonoctoro The Hebra fossil could be Jabu Jabu, or of similar species. Almost every Zelda entry that involves the Zora getting fucked almost always involves Ice and snow.
(Fun fact, the snowy region in Twilight Princess has the same geography as Zora’s Domain from Ocarina of Time)
So perhaps the Hebra region was a lush, mountain region full of beautiful water falls and lakes. Imagine the Faron region, but more mountainous.
Perhaps a natural drastic climate change pushed the Zora to near extinction, forcing them to migrate southeast, closer to the sea?
Perhaps that massive hole drilled through mount Hebra cause a shift in climate? The think “ice” in the hole doesn’t exactly look natural.
The Hebra fossil is based on the Ocean King from Phantom Hourglass.
@@sakurawolfgoddess89 No ?
There is nothing pointing toward that conclusion outside of the Ocean King also being a whale.
The ocean King also has a large forehead like a sprm whale with his symbol on it, this fossils's head is pointy and I know the head of a sprm whale is not just bone.
Cool theory. If most of these fossils are pre skyward sword, that would make them realllly old
@@alfredomeister9817 Well, fossils are expected to be old.
Those of dinosaurs are million of years old.
Between Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild, I imagine that there are around 30 000 years separating the two.
Imagine you going back in time in Zelda BOTW 2 and finding these giant creatures roaming around for you to fight!! 😯
Levias, The Ocean King, and the Wind Fish might have had kin that revealed themself to the ancient shiekah, but were somehow went into extinction over 10,000 years.
Tomforce Gamer Jesus fuck the possibility’s and theory’s are limitless
It can't be the Ocean King because he lived in his own realm kind of like Termina.
The leviatan skeleton in the Gerudo desert seems to include some bones that are the possible remains of wings.
It is possible that this leviatan is the skeletal remain of the Wind fish from Link's awakening.
Wich makes sense if we take into consideration that these three creatures are used as metaphores to indicate all the three timelines in the franchise and how Breath of the wild seems to be a mishmash of all of them.
Also.
The wind fish fell asleep in the ocean near Hyrule.
And deserts are usualy the remains of ancient seas and oceans that eventualy disappeared, like the Sahara desert and Death valley.
Remember back when Stallord was the biggest and most mysterious skeleton in the Zelda series? Yeah, me too...
There's a bigger skeleton in Skyward Sword, so that didn't last long. Though I suppose Stallord was still more mysterious.
EDIT: Oh, and I just remembered, there are much bigger skeletons in Dodongo's Cavern in Ocarina of Time, so Stallord was never the biggest.
Surprised you didn’t mention the giant fossil from the bottomless swamp.
JoshtheSmartGuy __ what?
That "skull" is like the chiselled Bokoblin encampment "skull": stonework. But there are legitimate fossil bones on the hillside there, arranged like the ones near the Lanayru Wetlands.
@@hypermemes2821 my mood in a nutshell
JoshtheSmartGuy __ good point
What about the giant skulls that many enemy camps are based in?
They are clearly of a different species to the leviathans, simply that they are not elongated and pointy.
Perhaps the giant bones could also belong to them, being another explanation as to why only the 3 main leviathans worked.
I'm not too sure myself...whenever I look at them it looks like it's just made of stone. So I don't know if they are really "fossils" or not.
I like to think that they were once giant hinox's but I doubt there's any evidence to support that
A video about giant animals bones and their possible demise across the whole series would be neat 3
NintendoBlackCrisis doesn’t Masterworks say that the skulls are carved out for the Bokoblins?
@@skysaver262 Could you grab a quote and page number to confirm?
NintendoBlackCrisis:Here's a theory or maybe it's actually this
People who made botw:We just thought it looked cool
They're not wrong tho, giant fossils are cool as hell
@@naryle9415 Hell is hot
@@Adahn99 guess they're hot too
Doll - Master fossils get me rock hard
- Sooo# why did you put giant fossilized whales ?
- I just think they are neat
I would love to fight a dragon in botw2 .
Just imagine how it would fly around and sometimes land to spit fire and you could climb on it.
That would be cool and you can possibly throw a bomb down it’s throat
A Mario Odysseus reference but fire instead of electricity I like the idea
Shafique Kamal I don’t know if that’s what he was going for but nice pick up I like it
Shafique Kamal I actually never played mario odyssey. What I had in mind were dragons from Skyrim but with the botw physics and ways to fight it. They could add new effects on gear because of that, like a shield that can reflect project tiles. Add a hook for botw link so he can hook onto the dragon when he flys and so on.
Or it would be similar to the fight with Infected Nadrya
Ugh! NBC, I seriously thought you were going to say it! I feel like some of these big skeletons are related to the giant Gorons. If you go to the mining camp where you get the Goron and his son for the Akkala quest, head through the little cave by them and you'll see a big skeleton that DOES have a head. It's a humanoid head. It and many of the other giant skulls around Hyrule seem to be from giant Goron and a would imagine giant Stalfos.
Don't remember that at all, but I'll take a look a bit later
Fascinating.
NintendoBlackCrisis he’s talking about ocarina of time
Those "skulls" we see monsters camp inside of are stone. Development notes say this; the textures suggest this.
@@jacobm.zaccaria929
Yes, as far as I know, those are artificial.
Finally got the expansion pass the other day, trial of the sword is kicking my ass 😅
Yep, have to agree
Have fun with master mode version then lol
Same and I got it I'll like two years ago
Ya know you can clip out of bounds and complete it if you want
@@matthewjardine5206
Yeah I know, I've watched some guides on it but I want the satisfaction of beating it myself. I've done the beginner trials already so I should be okay with it
9:58 - literally me
Me, when I'm thinking and walking at the same time and not noticing what's in front of me.
It's not LITERALLY you. It's a black bokoblin literally.
@@pokemonsushi-chinglao8235 What if he IS a black bokoblin?
Wow, thanks for uploading another Breath of the Wild theory! I missed this type of content because your channel is top tier!
Hey, do you remember all of the wierd scrapped monsters in master works, like the spider covered in eyes and chains and the others?
Mabye, creatures like them roamed the land...
The gohma are close enough.
I hope those creature designs are used for the sequel, maybe as cave dwellings species
Yah and they were driven underground so that the humans could reside on top. And we would get trapped down there and would have to fight them.
I swear I’m not trying to reference undertale
I love the Skyward Sword music
Yeah. Me too. :)
Sameee xD
Who doesn't?
There's also a weird giant skeleton head of some beast around Central Hyrule that's intriguing
Where, and what does it look like?
Looks like a Ganon skull to me.
@@ShinyGoldBacon I don't remember the exact location but it's close to one of the stables around Central Hyrule and it's surrounded by sinking mud and bones.
@@endurarox right? That was one of my first thoughts but maybe a monster of his creation possibly. There's still so much mystery about this game 2 and a half years later I love it.
@@justinharrison587 Indeed, given the location in Central Hyrule and the fact that the previous Link and Zelda had fought Ganon there with the aid of the guardians it seemed fitting that the remains would belong to the Ganon beast they slew. I suppose it could also be some other Stallord type.
Quite so, I do rather enjoy pondering such mysteries and theorizing what they could be.
with the three sets of bones that have the hinoxes in them that you kill for the shrine quest I have a theory that the bones once belonged to guardians of the orbs that were much bigger monsters based on the fact that the shrines exestisted for far longer then the three hinoxes could have bossily lived.
That would be way more terrifying to face ingame
"walked past without noticing"
Nah I checked for a korok seed first
Heres a fun video idea i have: how about you show how the zelda monsters evolved over time? Like literally; as in natural selection and stuff. I think that would be a pretty unique and cool idea.
Is it just me or does the rib cage in Eldin look like a stall-hinox? No, just me? Ok.
Stalnox
What if the leviathan are related to Molduga or changed into them some how
I always thought the bones around those Hinoxes looked like extremely ineffective cages
* realises 4 minutes in that I've been zoned out for the entire video so far * ..._shit_
*skips back to the start of the video *
Lol same
At 5:42 the top Leviathan is LITERALLY Levias; the flying whale from Skyward Sword!!!
I like to think that they are all the bones of different incarnations of Ganon, he has been brought back so many times that his body's litter the lands
I have a theory. Could the Ocean King from Phantom Hourglass be the Wind Fish from Link's Awakening? Hyrule Encyclopedia states that Phantom Hourglass and Link's Awakening happen at similar times and that they both occur after a defeat of Ganon. Both are giant floating whales, and both are corrupted by a parasite-like demon.
@SergeRunner-Up I guess, but it wouldn't fit into the timeline
@@sergevictoryyt We all know the timeline has been thrown out the window with this.
@@BJGvideos Lol
Considering the Chinese "dragon bones" I think it may be a translation error. 恐龍 literally means "frightening dragon" but is the term for dinosaur.
Yeah, I think the appeal to languages and translations was inconsistent and too sketchy in this video. I mean, the actual name of the location in Breath of the Wild is 竜骨沼, which doesn't really translate to Dragon Bone Mire, but to Keel Mire. Dragon Bone Mire is just how Nintendo of America decided to localize it to the English language. So, it isn't even accurate to mention dragons in the first place.
I feel like Breath Of The Wild is very similar to Majora's Mask, like the four main dungeons system (divine beasts), the bosses being corruptions of the guardians of said dungeons is similar to the blights being corruptions of the element of each divine beast, also the huuuge shrines quest is similar to the huuuge masks quest (and the amount of side quests in general)
So maybe just like Termina was an alternative world (dimension) of the main Hyrule, BOTW's Hyrule could be an alternative reality where the three timelines are unified, and that's why there are fossils of the different kind of whales of the different Hyrules.
Of course they could be just a cute nod to fans, but it would be awesome if BOTW2 ends up being more like Ocarina Of Time (8 big temples, fighting Ganondorf himself instead of a mindless evil energy) but darker, just like BOTW was more like MM but lighter.
Great vid as usual NBC, I was wondering if you’d make a theory video on the ancient pilots of the divine beasts that we see on the tapestry because I think that it’s not talked about enough. Besides that, keep up the good work.
This comment is so underrated
You show the one from skyward sword and don’t even mention how it looks like one of the leviathans we had to take pictures of
I’ve never really thought about the large bones sticking out of the ground! It would be cool if Hyrule had some sort of ancient dinosaur-like creatures
Now you have to find out where the giant skulls (monster camps) came from.
Carved rock
To go along with the theory that BOTW 2 will feature time travel back to the original battle with Ganon, I bet you these few detailed Leviathans will be the sequels Divine Beast type missions
This is either BotW's way to reference the Windfish that featured in Link's Awakening OR the great flood of Hyrule as seen in WindWaker. Remember, they're trying to combine the storylines and it makes for a nice detail.
Yaay, i finally understand the story of these damn things
Did you think about possibly connecting it to other gigantic fossils from other Zelda games?
The largest and first one that seems to spring to mind for me would be the entirety of the dungeon Dodongo's Cavern. it's been a while, but if I recall correctly the entire main chamber of that dungeon is a gigantic rib cage. With a large skull as the entrance to the path to the boss.
I could totally see the gigantic bones all over Hyrule being the remains of massive dodongos. Especially seeing as how dodongos could definitely be called "dragons".
I've counted exactly 100 separate fossils spread all over hyrule including the stone skulls.
Giant enemies have been a thing in zelda games for a while. Giant stalfos were a thing back in OoT - same with octoroks.
I finally got the DLC for this game! I'm so happy! I turned 20 last Saturday! :D
Max Svensson have fun with the master trials to upgrade you sword
It most likely is from when the ocean receded. There are salt deposits in the game found on mountains and the salts description say they are remnants from the sea. Just my two cents
He didn’t mention the wind fish
It was awakened within a dream.....LINKCEPTION!!!
Dragon Bone Mire? Dragmire? Ganondorf Dragmire! Oh thats just random ranting...
I thought everyone knew that they were the bones of the leviathans from skyward sword.
Legit, I was wandering around BotW, looking at the skeletons littered across the fields, and got chills thinking about what creatures they could’ve been.
The music in a regular shrine is different than that in a blessing shrine
A cool concept for the next game would be if not only Gannon got rejuvenated but so do the bones and you get to see the beasts of the last
What about the giant skulls? The enemy camps ?
Those are carved out of stone, pretty sure
The bokoblins made them.
Good question!
@@Margar02 @Nonoctoro Remember: some of them are just laying around, not being enemy camps
@@Arya-db3yd abandoned camps :/
"Leviathan" לויתן is an hebrew word means "whale"
Just like ur mum lol
woah i didnt even know leviathan was a hebrew word
אכן כן
Also if there are that many bones we can tell that they played a much larger part than a simple side quest maybe relating to the 2nd game or the games intended 3rd dlc that turned into botw 2
We've actually seen two leviathan whales in previous Zelda games and both of them flew. I think it can safely been assumed that all leviathans flew.
😂😂”look like we're back at square one”(ad starts) yes I see this is just like how we started square one indeed
I love how the Lanayru desert theme from Skyward Sword is in the intro and background
Speaking of Levias I personally believe that he might still be alive during the events of Breath of the Wild, the Thunder Dragon mentions that although he can’t die from the process of aging he can die from getting sick. If the Thunder Dragon along with the Water and Fire Dragons can’t die due to aging then the same might be true for Levias. If I would have to guess I would say the 4 dragons from Skyward Sword are still alive in wherever the portal that the 3 BOTW dragons escape through goes.
I was just in the Gerudo desert wandering around and i was thinking about them, and then you upload the video lol
Love the background music!!
My theory is that the leviathans could be the wind fish from "Link's Awakening" or Lord Jabu Jabu from "ocarina of Time"
I've got nothing to say, but great theory as always
I just got Creating A Champion a couple days ago and u am so happy about that
The fact that they're referred to as whale skeletons in the Masterworks book makes me believe they were inspired in some way by Wadi El Hitan in Egypt. The country's western desert used to be a sea in ancient times, and you can go see huge whale skeletons lying on the sand.
Levias head structure seems awfully like one of the Leviathan bone sets does it not? And don't forget the Wind Fish that also flew through the air.
FINALLY someone brings up all those bones strewn around the kingdom! I've been wondering about those a lot. But you don't even mention the other fossil types: those huge round skulls that bokoblins often use as strongholds. These are indeed fossil skulls, since they are the same color and texture as the big ribs and spines all over the place. They are vaguely humanioid, too. Maybe there were gigantic ancient bokoblins roaming hyrule with the leviathans and dragons. Or maybe the dragons had humanoid heads, like the ones in Skyward Sword.
I actually noticed the one near Rito Village and searched it and the area around it. Eventually, I stopped to continue a side quest I had going.
Another great one, keep up the good work mate!
Just an idea that came while watching the video - what if the leviathans were creatures in the underground world meant to guard something and when the mine-shafts or dungeons were forgotten the leviathans slowly died and they somehow made there way to the surface
Again didn’t put much thought into it just an idea that surfaced
The lava bones reminds me of King Dodongo.
if you look in front of the Castle in from the Impa cutscene, it looks like there could be something there. Either Ganon, or... A undiscovered divine beast
Why is nobody talking about those MASSIVE FREAKING SKULLS that the Bokoblins usually build their bases in?
Because they’re made from stone lmao
"How *did* they go extinct?"
These creatures while similar are not all the same species. These whales very likely went extinct for the reasons the Hylian scientists claimed whether it be all around the same time or not. One species lived in an area that became too cold at some point so it died, another species died off in another area when it got hit with a drought (in real life many whale fossils are found in deserts that used to be oceans), and one more species died from a volcanic eruption near it's home.
Thank you for doing a video on this, I was thinking how are these bones not more significant and where did these bones come from
Speaking of The Zonai Tribe, doesn't the "Hero of Seas" From Wind Waker wear the Zonai Tribe's Logo on his Belt Buckle?
something i didnt realize before is that each of the scientists say a hint about the leviathan locations. One says they went extinct through a drought, the desert leviathan, one says they went extinct through an ice age, the frozen leviathan, and the 3rd one doesnt really tie in with the others, but it would explain the leviathan bones in the lava
Nice work NBC, your doing so well and continue to grow👌👊
"I greatly appreciate your positive energy."
You mean *money?* XD It's okay to appreciate income.
Great vid. I've always thought the bones seen throughout the game were all leviathan bones with the exception of the one submerged in lava at Death Mountain. That one looks like the same body style as a large Dodongo, like the one we see in OOT called "King Dodongo."
The leviathans are just old forms of the 3 dragons, their locations match this. One can be found in the gerudo desert, an area with many electric powered enemies, like farosh. One can be found on mount death, an area with lots of fire, like dinraal. The final one can be found in the hebra mountains, a very cold and icy place, like naydra.
I'm still processing the zelda's smile thing from half a year ago.
In regards to what the other theorist stated for your video:
"A long lasted flood".
Also when you take that story of Prince Sidon defeating the giant Octorok, I think of Wind Waker.
Remember that there were giant squids within The Great Sea, that you needed bombs to beat? What enemy does that sound like?
An Octorok. The story might not be an exaggeration, as those enemies were huge.
I thought that the leviathan in the Elden region was the remains of the big skull found in Dodongo's cavern.
Well, I think the ribs at enemy camps were from those massive bokoblin creatures. You know, the ones that enemies tend to build little camps in the skulls of?
The other ones I think you're right about.
The leviathans are probably references to the whale like gods from Skyward Sword, Phantom Hourglass, and Link's Awakening.
I was just about to make a video about the leviathans.
guess I have to scrap it.
Imagine these things popping out of the ground as stal monsters
Sometimes it's the most simplest answer. It's a reference to the great flood in Wind Waker that has mostly likely receded leaving the creatures to die.
Duuuuude I want BotW 2 to have a bit more focus on the ocean, same size ocean but maybe with a diving ability and underwater enemies
What about lord Jabu Jabu, from OFT? I think he can have some relation to all of this, don't you think?
There is a giant skull in Bottomless Swamp in Central Hyrule Between Riverside Stable and Wetland Stable
Wait he’s name is Nintendo Black Crisis NBC like also the movie company nbc that helped brooklyn nine nine
This giant fossils reminded me about the Mudfossils/Mudflood theory. You should research Mudfossils and giants which have been kept hidden from history
Giant whale fossils could also be a reference to the wind fish from link's awakening
I have a question about the time placement
In the death mountain area, there is a large ribcage partially submerged in lava with one of those massive stone skulls as it’s head. It really makes me wonder if the skull bases that enemies reside in are actually made by them or not.
Great video.
I think Its Possible that the "Dragon Bones" could be that of Dodongos. Dodongo do vary in size and King Dodongo is referred to as The Infernal Dinosaur. also There is a Large Dogongo Skelloton within Dodongo's Cavern.
This has always been a common question of mine. Like the game never explicitly mentions them besides a couple side missions
Here's my theory about the leviathan bones: The leviathans are references to the Wind Fish from Link's Awakening, Levias from Skyward Sword, and Oshus from Phantom's Hourglass. The bones in the Gerudo Desert being the Wind Fish (you can see the bones sticking out of its spine where the little wings once were), the bones at Death Mountain being Levias (the giant plate on top and it even had the blow hole crevice where SS Link fought the parasite), and the bones in the Hebra region being Oshus, since they are closest to actual whale bones and Oshus wasn't really different from a regular whale.
Shigeru Miyamoto has stated before that Zelda takes place on Earth. Different timeline and sequence of events, but Earth. So the fossils may be just what we expect: dinosaurs. In any case this was a great thought experiment.