Yep, also NO MORE STACKING BUFFS. and buffs are split into Ma and non-ma prefix buffs. So say goodbye to stacking Sukukaja on those enemies and making them miss every attack when its their turn.
Holy moly! Iron Pineapple! Was not expecting that. I got recommended this video because I watch a lot of Shin Megami Tensei stuff. Mythymoo and Iron Pineapple are the top tier in my mind when it comes to Dark Souls stuff. I now got my dose of SMT, Iron Pineapple and also a new channel to look at.
This, I think one of the reasons people dislike Persona 5 is just because they are tired of hearing 12 years olds call it the second coming of Jesus fucking Christ. It's soundtrack is good and fun but nothing legendary.
@@MALICEM12 Of course music is tough to talk about because it dips into subjectivity so heavily but I don't think anyone can deny how iconic almost any Persona soundtrack has become at this point, especially persona 5
@@jesusmen6308 It's good but doesn't hit as hard as a bunch of angels with distorted voices singing about how ONE MORE GOD REJECTED IM THE BUG INSIDE YOU ONE MORE GOD REJECTED I HAVE YOUR BACK TO THE WALL ONE MORE GOD REJECTED FEAR GOD AND GIVE GLORY TO HIM JUSTICE HAS COME TO YOU
Demon negotiation be like: "So, you want me to join you? Fine, but first I require: -25 life stones -3/4 of your HP -Half your MP -100,000 macca -3 of your insenses - X demon's life - and your thoughts about life and death. > Life sucks > Death sucks > ...What? < "Lmao get outta here punk." *smirk* // "You are asking me to join you? I dunno... You seem kinda fishy." > Yesn't < >Yes >No "The arguments you have presented are believable, therefore I shall join your ranks to help you in your quest of slaying the local God and murdering my peers."
i love shin megami tensei feels like home im a castlevania fan with more lurking demons and evil creature devouring souls vomiting acid i love it one more god rejected!!!!!
lol. I love how fickle the demons are, as they should be. I never ever give those fuckers macca or valuable items. It's so random that it hardly matters what you do; if they want to join, they'll join.
@@yoshifan2334 Yeah, like in SMT IV. After giving away all your Macca to some greedy yellow rat and you get the "question"; "Dig a hole!" >Dig >Dig >Dig < "This will be your grave!"
I’M NOT CONVINCED! GIVE ME 28 MACCA I’M NOT CONVINCED! GIVE ME a life stone I’M NOT CONVINCED GIVE ME $33 I’M NOT CONVINCED! GIVE ME your life I’M NOT C
The first time I fought him, I could not land a single hit on him, and he destroyed me I wasted an entire day irl to farm to give back that humiliation to him
@@hanskagejin519 Are you playing with any of the DLC's? There are 2 that expand the game, Chronicle (where you fight Raidou, the protag of Devil Summoner), or Maniax (you fight Dante from the DMC series. That would be the only difference between them, and Chronicle is free)
I always heard about Matador so I did my damn best to prepare and barely won by a lucky Crit with only Demi-Fiend surviving. Hell Biker was my wake up call as his fight was like hell with him removing buffs and debuffs then using Hell Throttle and spamming fire attacks wiping my team.
@@agusrlz8655 Why are you assuming they don't know about SMT 1 lol MegaTen fans are always so hostile plus in my personal experience SMT 1 was more bearable than P1 when it comes to encounter rate. I wasn't mad at SMT 1's rate as much as I was with P1 and 2.
@@tahaelhour690 I mean, DMC is about demons too, and Dante's and Vergil's Devil Trigger were designed by Kazuma Kaneko, the lead character designer for many Megaten games...
10 full minutes of complaints and then following it up with "I liked nocturne" is the biggest fucking mood ever I don't know why I love this series. It brings me pain when I play it. But I always come back yearning for more.
I love the smt series but I agree with most of his points. To me SMT 4 is a much better game, and it's not even close. I have no idea why the Fandom drools over nocturne the way they do. If I were to hazard a guess, most fans are probably just salty that the follow up ended up on a nintendo handheld but it doesn't change the fact that 4 is a much better game in nearly every aspect and specifically addressed the shortcomings of nocturne that were highlighted in this video.
My first SMT was SMT IV. The first boss fight was simply impossible that I thought it must be a scripted event where I have no choice but to lose. But then when I saw the game over screen... I knew that this JRPG won't tolerate weakness.
I had the luck to play P5, want something similar, and the only thing I could get at the time was SMT Nocturne one the PS3 through the PS2 Classics lineup. So I played the original SMT Nocturne without context… it murdered my child sef
Great video! I agree on the lonely feeling but that's actually a big draw for me: Nocturne succeeds so well at feeling lonely that I really get that post-apocalyptic feeling that a lot of other games with similar settings don't give me. I love the characters in Persona, but I also love the quiet dread and atmosphere of Nocturne.
I hope that now that Shin Megami Tensei is finally getting more spotlight from Atlus, both the SMT and Persona will be able to put their differences and dead memes aside to just enjoy one of the best series of RPG's ever.
This comment right here ladies and gentlemen. Hopefully in the future that the Smt and Persona fanbases just merge as one into Megami Tensei/Megaten fans. That needs to happen now more than ever now with the realease of Smt 5 getting closer. Edit:I'm currently playing Nocturne HD on my switch, loving it so far. Can't wait for smt 5 to release five days after my birthday(it must be fate that the fifth game in the series releases five days after my birthday lol)
Okay 1. Spot on right here I hope that smt fans and persona fans can come together harmony and all that B. Does jack frost hang out with penguins up there
As someone who likes Nocturne, your criticisms are spot on. The game is definitely dated and a lot of the dungeons are just a pain in the ass. If anyone was trying to get into mainline SMT, I would definitely recommend 4 over Nocturne any day. Devil Survivor is another good spinoff that's a good middle ground between SMT and Persona in terms of having a character focused narrative, while still being darker in tone.
I got into mainline with nocturne. Though I wouldn't say I really got into it since the pain of lvling up and grinding for money was basically replaced with 2 areas where you can grind xp and money items. But I still do love the challenge that mainline brings and it's much fairer compared to persona.
I got into mainline with nocturne after playing persona 3 way back in the day and now follow both series on each separate release after having gone back and played all of them in both. (Some not to completion like p2 and strange journey) but I can say without a doubt between all personas and all smts nocturne just hits that right feel for story for me. It’s so metal what happens in nocturne especially if you do the true demon ending. Absolutely steamrolled through the hd remaster because of having buffs and debuffs on my demons at all times.
@@BoostedMonkey05 oh yeah, my comment wasn't to say that Nocturne can't be a starting point, it's still a great game with a lot to offer! The challenge and press turn system are some of the main draws for me. I hope you enjoy the rest of the series (assuming you've only played Nocturne)!
@@meitomiyazaki9848 Hell yeah, Nocturne is metal as hell and I will always love it for having that vibe. I think that the sort of grungy feel of nocturne combined with the overall design of the environments in the game is really something special even compared to other titles in the series.
@@Mephilis2123 I actually started with Persona 5 and I wanted another game where there was memorable monster designs that you can negotiate with and you can identify their weaknesses just by remembering what they look like. I've been playing P5 on Merciless as a tutorial for when I get to mainline, I can say for certain that it paid off.
Nocturne really does have a lot of aggravating parts ranging from the confusing dungeons to the random encounters, but in a weird way I feel like that adds to the game. The cruel and punishing world accompanies the loneliness of your journey to create such an epic and unforgettable experience for me, easily my favorite ps2 title and one of my favorite jrpgs of all time. I'm glad you tried it, even if you got frustrated at some points!
It's a hold over from smt 1 and 2 in that sense. The last time that the series would be like that. That said, complaining that a two decade old game is outdated in design feels silly. Of course it is.
I'm replaying Nocturne myself at the moment and it is extremely rare that a game makes me tell my TV to "fuck off, stupid asshole" followed by "now I am going to drop the fucking hammer on your ass" and concluded with "oh no he dodged I'm dead"
I witnessed too many people during the live chat for SMT 5 going "This looks like a persona rip-off" etc etc. A part of me hopes they were kidding, but a part of me know there were some who had to be serious.
@@marcog.verbruggen674 I'm well aware. But sometimes I like to see people's thoughts. Even if the loud majority of live chat is just memers and complainers so after that I just kept it shut off. Saw the same with people begging for elden ring during Bandai Namcos bit, and im thinking "You morons it was already shown"
@@GentlemanMudkip It kills me a little every time some interesting, creative, thought-provoking and/or contemplative game is shown, and the live chat is just "BOOOOOO" "BOOOORIIIIING" "GIVE US [insert extremely popular, arguably derivative, mainstream billion-dollar franchise] NOW" and various assortments of slurs. No wonder the AAA games industry has become the most profitable entertainment industry in the world while simultaneously releasing more and more and more unfinished, over-monetized, broken games over and over year after year.
I can't really say I agree. Combat is just a part of Persona, but it's like 80% of SMT. If they're into Persona because because of the writing, they're not gonna like SMT.
@@thomaswood8405 I'd argue that SMT 3 has better writing than P5, and that's the most popular game in the series so... I don't know, personally I'm not too huge on these types of games (tried Dark Souls back in the 360/ps3 era, hated it, and a few years later beat DS2... it took me 6 months), meaning I'm not quite the elitist or anything, and I really liked SMT 3, but more specifically, the DDS duology is easily in my top 10. The jump from Persona to SMT is definitely doable if you're open minded (I did P4-3-5 -> DDS1&2 -> P1-2 -> SMT 3)
I do think, at least for me personally, what has lead to a lot of the animosity between "persona fans" and "smt fans" is that, along with the elitism of "go play a real smt game" from one side, there is the constant complaining about no new persona anytime any news of V comes up from the other. Its really annoying being someone who enjoys all parts of the overarching franchise, especially because its become such a meme that I actually can't talk about mainline with friends because every single time its just constant "oh you mean that persona rip off" while when I talk persona everyone is fully on board
Yeah, as someone who loves both SMT and Persona, I can definitely say that both fandoms are not perfect. The SMT community is filled with a bunch of elitists, and the persona community is normally filled with a bunch of people who hate SMT because “it’s not persona.” And that’s why I have a hard time suggesting SMT to people, especially persona fans. Even though I’m just genuinely suggesting a game that I think they would enjoy, I get called an elitist for just mentioning an SMT game. And then, if I say I love any of the modern persona games around SMT fans, I get shitted and told to a “play a real game like strange journey.” In conclusion, I hate the SMT and persona community.
Ah Nocturne. The game where every major boss fight can make you lose any self confidence you ever had. Where you have to constantly rethink strategies to match the tools the opponents throw at you... Or you just fuse the funny dead monk and basically never die ever again.
@Benji 64 a lot of it is a stereotype and a lot of it is true. people do act this way in the fandom but a lot of people are just frustrated by how annoying this shit can be, myself included. me, ive only played persona 2. i was going to play smt 4 but my 3ds is broken and i hate emulating. i tend to side with smt fans in this dispute, but i can appreciate the persona games for what they are. it's really just a long winded argument that doesn't look like its going to end any time soon.
Yakkocm: Ok, now people is going to be happy with me right? Shin megami fans: Now read a real shin megami novel you poser. Edit: Wait! I legitimaly wasn't expecting the Shin Megami novel reference and that he actually have it.
@@BoostedMonkey05 like what level of edgy? Because as far as I know these games are pretty edgy themselfs, even if I'm barely starting the megaten games now.
@@franconunez925 like cringe edgelord edge. The ones that swear they will take "revenge against you in the most gruesome way possible and multiply that by 6" kind of edgy bullshit. Something a 14 year old might write.
i agree, but you should also consider that sekiro is the dark souls of the action genre, which metal gear revengeance is a part of, revengeance being the metal gear of that genre since metal gear is a stealth game which is its own genre, metal gear being one of the first stealth games, helping to create the genre that sekiro is also a part of
@@Jawny00 Full disclosure, I don't exactly consider dark souls a jrpg. Nor am I qualified to have that discussion. I've never played a souls game. My main point is that video game genre discourse is dumb and horribly defined. I mean it's so bad that dmc and streets of rage would be considered different genres based off the camera, and nothing else.
the opening of Nocturne where you're just fighting ghosts for spare change in a creepy basement really sets the overall tone Nocturne's more tedious dungeon design is kind of a holdover from SMT's first-person dungeon-crawly origins. Especially the teleport mazes(though every SMT game has at least one of those)
SMT is pokemon but instead beating the monster half death, imprisoning them inside a ball and force them to fight to the death for you, you negotiate and asked them to join you instead .... Which game is the game about demons again?
I mean out of context it sounds bad but when you get to it. Pokemon is basically about humans taming super powered animals. Animals that get earthquaked while being paralyze AND CAN SURVIVE. Some of them have psychic powers and some can eat souls. Even god himself is one of these things. Is it really bad to say that keeping them in balls isnt a safety requirement?
SMT is like that candy you've never tasted and once you do all the other candies taste not as good. The turn base combat of SMT tucks me in at night and gives me a goodnight kiss.
To be fair, the "play a real SMT game" thing is more a bit of an in-joke with most of the hardcore fans of the series (especially over on reddit, which is exceedingly chill/self-deprecating typically). I'm sure there are some youtube comments that say that shit seriously, but yeah, I haven't really seen it said much otherwise. It's not my thing, but more power to the people who were able to enjoy Persona 5. It just means Atlus gets to do more cool stuff, and from what we're seeing of SMTV, they are more than following through so far. Edit: Props for buying that Digital Devil Story novel, lmao. Those are... something else.
If you have any interest in playing SMT related games, then I'd highly recommend playing the Digital Devil Saga duology. It fixes many of the issues that are in Nocturne, adds in much more written and spoken story and plot elements, major plot twists that keep you engaged, and arguably one of Shoji Meguro's best OSTs
DDS duology are the real dark souls of SMT in my book. DDS difficulty spikes wayy more than nocturne. It features some of the superbosses which will put any other SMT games to shame.
I’ve been playing the remaster too and I’ve actually really been enjoying the dungeons. Considering that all SMT games before Nocturne were all 2D dungeon crawlers they definitely made a game that felt just like a dungeon crawler but in 3D. I haven’t felt like I needed to explore an entire area and fill out a map this much before and I’ve really been enjoying this aspect of Nocturne
A few of the later dungeons are awful, but for the most part it's pretty good. Encounter rate sucks though, I'm on the final dungeon and still haven't found the "Estoma" skill shown in the video...
@@bestesthd in the first kalpa of the labyrinth of Amala there is a shady broker that will sell you a demon with estoma and every other traversal ability. It’s super useful. Plenty of other ways to get estoma though
@@TreeOfTurles I'll be spending some time in the Labyrinth then, and maybe in the Cathedral of Shadows too... I've dealt with it long enough, can't take this encounter rate anymore. geez
To be honest, the reason I didn't really like playing Persona 4 is because it felt like too much like actually having friends, which probably says more about me than it does about the game. I preferred the dungeon-crawling parts over the social-sim aspect.
So, maybe a weird take, but for me, the constant bombardment of random encounters has a purpose in the early to mid-game stretch where it's meant to make you fearful for your life as it constantly drains your resources and forces you to consider if you can afford to explore further instead of returning to the healer for a resupply. Having said that, I will admit that especially on team setups that don't use magic much in random encounters, even around the time you run into Matador, you can start to feel like they are kinda too easy and too common, therefore being really annoying. Additionally, it also feels like a thematic decision in that the constant encounter rate helps to build this idea that Demifiend and most SMT protags live lives defined by constant battle and with no rest for them until or even after their job is done.
@@ED-gw9rg Frankly there are other Atlus titles that have perceptionally high encounter rates like Persona 1 and I think Smt if. I don't think it was a thematic choice but more something that was constantly tweaked, until overworld enemies became the norm. Most SMT titles do have an ability called Estoma tho, which allows you to turn off the encounters until you go into a different area. In nocturne it lowers the encounter rate however.
@@ririxdd From my point of view, I am glad P5R added skip cutscenes because there's lots of it in P5 in the first 4 hours. I can't even be free to go around the mao and all my way is forced, losing literally two weeks of gameplay. I hate it.
i very much disagre that the story gets uninteresting after the beginning. in this game all the minor characters actually have interesting stuff to say an flesh out the world and story (wich isn't often the case in other rpgs). sure the story is not thrown in your face but the minimal style adds to the mystery and atmosphere imo.
indeed! there are many aspects of story and lore thrown in the world and characters and how they interact, every one of them is fleshed out because the series knows that they are limited, more than anyone gives it credit for but i guess thats what happens when you play persona and enter a game that doesnt have social links for every character
I disagree. I have just beat red rider and while I'm loving this game so far due to its combat and especially its art direction (god the lighting is just gorgeous at times), this game has no story. Everything is just plot and exposition. None of the characters feel even remotely real to me.
This reminds me of the from software fans trying to name their favorite series. "Hey, there's a new game, but with a different name, and it's very similar, let's combine the names!" Soulsborne "Hey, another new game, but this one is completely different ... Oh well, it's made by the same creator let's slap the names together." SoulKiro Borne "Wait, a new game again but with a different name AGAIN? Fuck it let's just slap all these bad boys together" SoulKiroBorne Ring
i feel like a lot of the people who tell you to play an smt game anytime you talk about how much you like persona dont realize you dont wanna play smt, you wanna play persona
I remember my first time playing smt devil survivor when i was 13, that shit gave me nightmare cuz its so hard that i ended up breaking my ds, but since i grew up playing lots of trpg games i ended up playing that game again then realize how thrilling it is. since then i started playing a lot of smt series and i love them all
I’m glad SMT is finally getting more recognition. It’s definitely my favorite video game series. The combat is always really fast-paced and fun, the stories are always really interesting, and (of the course) the music is always amazing.
i can say not as hard as people crying about it being only thing i say is hard is getting good fuse info off the web as people are like use the calculator as we do not know what demon is a most for the fuse
I love SMT nocturne and I agree 100% with your criticisms. I love persona as well but the combat engine in SMT games scratches a very especific itch for me. You have to learn about the demons, the game is all about them. Its a pokemon game from hell. I often feel like in persona you get "disposable personas" and you dont get attached to them. In SMT you have to use everything they have because of the difficulty and I love that focus on the demons. Both franchises are amazing. Nice vid man
@@enzoidd but you stick with them for more time. Yes you have to change, but on hard you have to fuse them and learn their habilities very carefully and they also evolve. In persona I feel like 1 level is enough to change a persona and that skill that you can summon personas levels above you makes this worse. In smt you must choose the right demons you have to know them or you get wrecked
@@yzhiel2680 And generally you find yourself consciously fusing demons in SMT to solve the problems ahead of you while in Persona, you're frequently just fusing to clear out space in your inventory.
While I do agree with most of the points, you don’t need to be 10 hours in to get estoma lol. You can get it for 15000 Macca starting at level 28 in the first kalpa by talking to the shady broker. The demon he gives you not only has estoma but a fucking ton of other spells that are very useful for dungeon exploring
@@grubfriend if you want to explore any of the tunnel dungeons it’s basically a necessity, otherwise you’ll spend tons extra on repulse bells, float balls, and light balls and who wants to do that on hard mode where they cost nearly 1000 per each
@@LordlyWeeb my point is, it sounded like they were complaining about him sounded indecisive, like it first he was saying too many tutorials, and smt 4 had almost no tutorials, and what he would've liked was a balance, It's hard read the comment's mood
I think the fact that it's so lonely sells the atmosphere really well. I imagine Demifiend is just a guy that tries to survive in a really harsh world and that really makes the immersion much more satisfying. But really reason why I like SMT more than Persona is the combat system. Persona's One More system with the all-out attack and the recent Baton Pass system just makes the battles dull for me just by cheesing them except for a few boss fights. SMT's Press Turn is simple but it does its job really well by leveling the playing field for you AND your enemy. If an encounter lasts more than two turns happens, I gotta think more seriously on how to survive it. Not to mention how the fusion system really makes you think on how to build your party, while Persona just only has it to make the MC new personas while everyone else's is prebuilt. So yeah basically I like SMT more just because the combat has more depth to it imo than Persona
Thing is only persona 3 onwards has the whole mc is the only who can fuse demons and use them because persona 1 and 2's duology has it where every party member can have three personas at once, i don't know why they changed it i liked it, it gave me more room to balance my party around bosses and dungeons.
I think P5, with all of the quick changes and extra turns it allows, its more about styling on demons than slowly planning your turns to not fucking die in the next enemy turn. And I enjoy it. To add to the title of this video. If SMT is for JRPGs what Dark Souls is for Action Games, then Persona 5 is Devil May Cry. Yeah sure, you can win the game by just button mashing and abusing your most powerful skill, but the real fun in the game is in planning cool combos and feeling stylish as hell while killing enemies. And I like both games for very different reasons.
Nocturne was my first SMT game. A friend picked it up for me after hearing me complain about modern Pokémon. I loved it (hate the end game dungeons), but overall it really does scratch that Pokémon itch. Didn't really have a problem with the bosses but I can see why people get destroyed by them. I can happily say I've moved on to 5 and I'm loving it too.
What i like more on SMT is their sentient living demons and gods, they feel alive. Unlike Persona who just talks at first then proceeds to never talk again.
The elitists for this series are the minority, don't worry about them. Also, the games aren't THAT hard. They just keep you on your toes. I wouldn't say Nocturne *gets* good either, I thoroughly enjoyed it from the very beginning.
@@NeoCoreSaturn he doesn't reapply red Capote unless you completely remove his buffs, so you can Sukunda him 3 times (or fog breath and 1 sukunda) to leave him at +1, then use Sukukaja to boost your own agility to max so you have a +3 agility advantage over him. It makes a big difference and that combined with a demon that nullifies wind he will waste a lot of his turns.
@Fanjanhong * Well yeah, nuisances are everywhere in life, especially in any fanbase. If you let them get to you then you won't be able to enjoy a lot of things. It's not lazy at all.
Reads title Gets instant flashbacks of *THAT* Kotaku article about SMT IV back in 2013. Oh, and big SMT V hype now that we got a gameplay trailer and official release date!!
@@seth7726 yeah probably just your pfp lol. Don't take it to heart, I can't say for sure but if they were all on Megaten videos it's probably just people kidding around. We're all weebs here lol
@@twincherries6698don't worry lol I know it's just a joke but it got me wondering a lot because it felt like if it was staged haha. It must be because I've had this pic since 2013 so many people from the community might already know me in a sense
10:22 This is really the only point I’d disagree on. Not the fact that it’s lonely, because it definitely is. More the fact that that’s a bad thing. I’d argue it fits well with the rest of the themes and tone of the game. Understandably not for everyone, though. Also, the audio compression is the only real issue I have with the remaster. Like, shit, it doesn’t need to be a full orchestra rework! Just make sure it doesn’t sound like ass!
When people misunderstand the intention of the loneliness it makes me frustrated because I just want to tell them that they are supposed to feel terrible in the lonely world and the unwelcome nature of the vortex world (There being no safe spots and the sparse dialogue) is meant to instill a deep sense of dread within you.
Great video! I like SMT3 Nocturne a lot - I haven't finished it but I'm right at that part with the full moon shadow boss. I plan to get back to it after I finish SMTV (I'm very slow to complete JRPGs..)
Hard mode is the actual fun mode of this game imo. You said random encounters can be auto'd but try that on hard and you'll most likely get killed by a demon with counter lol. Not trying to be toxic, just saying that if people think the game is getting easy and boring, why not try hard mode? After all, the remaster lets you change the difficulty whenever you like it.
@@chaosphantoms Hard mode is literaly like pokemon, the enemy has the same damage calculation as you. In normal a "wild" pixie would do 8 points of damage but 16 in your party, while in hard both do 16.
While a lot of people consider nocturne to be the "certified hood classic" of the series. I've found that the best SMT games are the 3ds ones. I'm talking -4 and 4 Apocalypse (yes, fight me) -Strange journey redux (satanic personaQ) -soul hackers -devil survivor (the true fire emblem x SMT). But other than the 3ds there's digital devil saga which is nocturne but better on ps2. I know the fan base is full of elitists but we're just kinda mad we've been shafted for the persona series, and this series is definitely worth checking out. Also, music. Music slaps.
They're still essentially random in IV. They spawn out of nowhere and chase you as if you're playing Madden. DQ11 (and smt v too, it seems) on the other hand has symbol encounters that are hardly threatening at all. They just stand around and hardly chase you. Its difficult finding the right balance.
i'm almost finished with smt nocturne yet, (at trumpeter) despite your reviewing saying this game is outdated it actually convinced me to play this game, and somehow this is in my top 10 favorite games and one of the of most unfun games i've ever played i don't know how to explain it
Bought this out of curiosity Later learned that the game can be summarized as “a shirtless man wandering in depressingly long endless corridors with the least minimum interaction” God, I’m so lonely….
yeah persona is definitely more accessible, but i really enjoy getting my shit kicked in repeatedly by wendigo on my 6th playthrough of smt 4 the game being harder isn't necessarily a bad thing and i just wish people could grasp that. i unironically think merciless 5 is easier than fellow mode smt 4 lmao good video :)
I find SMT IV on normal difficulty to be not much harder than when I played P5 on normal/easy mode lmao but to be fair P5 was my first game in the whole series and probably my first jrpg, so I was not used to the mechanics at all. Also helped that I beat P3 FES on normal mode before starting SMT IV, that also helped me get used to the mechanics more. Yeah mainline SMT mechanics are fairly different to Persona but there's also a lot of similarities
Right out of the gate there is like 200 things right with the video: Yackko is talking bout smt He is rocking that fabulous hollow knight shirt And lastly.... I just like it when he uploads a video since I get filled with childlike wonder-
Persona 5 is definitely a better starting point. Hell, Apocalypse is probably a better starting point. I still really enjoy this game over all, but this is a game for people who are already fans of this type of game. Not remotely beginner friendly.
@@dantemustdie00 it's not just the mechanics(affinities and better smirk), but rather the balance of the game in general(including the demons) as apocalypse also has a neat difficulty curve imo whereas in iv it's gonna kick your balls at the start with those ambushes and resistances(nulls reflect and absorb on weak enemies lol) plus the whole smirk crap and partners(rather than being hard it's just more about luck), and then after you get out, it's pathetically easy and every demon becomes the same thanks to the fusion letting you change everything including its first skills, and the only other bosses harder on the game are because they spam ailments(which is solved by luck lol) or megidolaon in all their goddamn turns making the fight essentially a hp check even if you buff and debuff to the max (+2 -2 in some cases)
I would also say Nocturne is just a terrible rep for the franchise... It's just too different from every other game in every way that pretending this represents the series in any fashion makes me sad... This game is the roadblock people insist must be broken through, when really, I would say just avoid it entirely. I love it, but humanity be like that sometimes.
I think Digital Devil Saga had the perfect mix of having smt bs and a memorable party so I would recommend it first. I hope that game gets a well deserved remake
I feel like DDS had a great mix of difficult SMT gameplay and philosophical thought, and a party of actual individuals to get attached to with full on characterization outside of being metaphors for some greater meaning.
@Fanjanhong * Where is the fun in doing that? Exploration is very integral to my enjoyment of SJ. Even on a replay I'd prefer to go out and map everything myself. Dunno what you mean about it being no different from SMT I, to my knowledge SMT I doesn't have ailment tiles, trap doors or secret doors and it definitely doesn't have anything like phase shifts.
@Fanjanhong * Listen man, I just enjoy first-person dungeon crawling. I don't mind the pitfalls since I'm all about autistically filling in the entire map anyway. In that sense and even in the sense of normal gameplay stepping on a pitfall is still making progress. Progress is fun. The backtracking was never that bad to me since it was always like a floor down and too far from a staircase. And I'll disagree on your points about difficulty and resource management, Expert mode has managed to always keep me on my toes while I'm in the current sector. It always been just the right level of peril from random encounters to keep me from getting bored just walking around. >What's the fun in "exploring"? You mean staring at the same copy pasted blurry textures across the entire dungeon? Are you just pretending that dungeon layout isn't the only thing that matters here? Textures mean zil when you're going to be looking at the bottom screen most of the time. I have fun exploring them because the layouts are interesting. If you want truly appalling dungeon design look no further than P4. I basically dropped that game because they were so dull and uninteresting. Just looking up the layout of a dungeon seems so boring to me. If I'm not here to figure it out myself why am I even playing? I don't recall what you're talking about in Delphinus so I guess it wasn't an issue for me and not even Eridanus got me to look up a guide. The various hidden doors and the teleporter maze pissed me off to no end but that only made it more satisfying to finally uncover them and progress. I'd say the optimal way for you to play SJ is to not play SJ since it seems like you despise just about every aspect of its design.
Ok I'm not an elitist at all and I'm not very good at dark souls....but I never considered mainline smt to be overly difficult? It's nearly identical to playing Persona, so if you're used to one then you should be fine? Though I did feel that P5 was a little easier than other Persona titles. It was the first one where I felt like I needed to play on hard mode. I'm over halfway through playing the remastered SMT Nocturne and I've only died 2-3 times? Mostly from laziness. I'm not discounting other peoples experiences, just I don't think everyone should assume it's such a hard game.
@@trashboat5388 yeah, now that I think of it, that may be what the issue here is. A lot of J-RPG's don't really reward you that much for using buffs and debuffs, but they are a literal game changer in SMT games. If people are not accustomed to using buffs then they will have a hard time.
As an SMT and Persona fan i must say that i don't understand why the fandoms of both sagas are almost always on a constant disagree... Can't we all be happy whike simping for Nekomata?
I can't believe you actually bought the megami tensei book.... now you need to suffer the first megami tensei game xDD Solid video and I will definitely check out your other stuff soon!
@@summerycast7936 I did not stutter. Skill's Energy Drain and if it hits, you lose 1 level permanently if a demon hits you with it. Only way to prevent it is by casting Tetraja.
It is very challenging. And it is also very rewarding. The concpet of this game is mind-blowing. I wish more games would dare to be crazy like this. Nocturne was my 3rd turn-based jrpg. I wanted to break my ps2. It took me months to finish.
My friend sent me here, and no it's not the dark souls of JRPGs Dark Souls is the Dark Souls of JRPGs. I seriously hate it when people compare any game to Dark Souls based on the concept of "difficulty" because difficulty in Dark Souls is subjective. there are bosses that people struggle on that others breeze through without a second thought. Also Dark Souls is unique in it's method of story telling, that is what makes the game so beloved. It's sparse use of character dialogue, its use of unreliable narration, environmental details, limited cutscenes, enemy placement, item placement, flavor text. All of these concepts are puzzles pieces that when placed together tell a story, much like trying to verify historical records, places, and accounts to piece together history. Difficulty does not make a game similar to Dark Souls.
Yakko reviewing SMT 3, I love you. As for the elitism in the smt community i'd like to think it's a loud vocal minority and if anyone is genuinely interested in smt dont let those people stop you, after all I started with persona 5 and not gonna lie I think I prefer mainline smt at this point. I love both series of course but point is you won't know you like it if you don't try it.
Funny. Every single SMT I have ever meet either online or offline just encourages people to play the series pointing out flaws where they are and advice where it is needed. I'd say the contrary, Persona fans I have meet come out as far more elitist, and in some small cases even misinformed, about their own games (specially anything before 3)
I watched the trailer and something just struck a cord with me. I bought SMT 4 on the 3Ds and I’m having a good time so far! My only problem is not knowing which game to play next!
@@keefdavies6956 id say apocalypse after 4 since it’s sort of a sequel, Strange Journey Redux is even more torturous than Nocturne, devil survivor 1 and 2 are amazing though, highly recommend
I don't mock persona fans I mock persona ""fans"" Also because I thought P5 was the best, then I got Nocturne on my ps2 and there was no going back Also P5R is easy as sin which was a huge bummer especially after beating Nocturne
@Fanjanhong * Don't be facetious. He's talking about the most obnoxious people in the community who refuse to look at anything past Persona 5 and probably haven't even played it themselves.
The "dark story" is never what drew me personally to smt. Honestly I think the stories are usually relatively barebones. Not bad but barebones. What I love is the world. It's like an even weirder version of Alice in Wonder land. Everyone is weird an unhinged and nothing makes sense but it's kind of charming. You know sometimes you just gotta level up your magic so you can win a dance battle. And I like that you just get thrown into that world to figure out for yourself rather than hand held through a ten hour tutorial that feels the need to explain every detail to you multiple times as if you were a child with severe head trauma. I will never forgive persona 5 for doing that. No other persona was that bad with their opening.
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I feel Modern Persona is not what I got into the series for(since I grew up with Revelations Persona on the PS1). Mainline was more my style since it kept that mystery and atmosphere Persona lost in its transition to 3D
@@thelel6591 P3 had a good message but bad writing(and really bland characters). P4 had a weaker message but a better set of characters. P5 is just kinda meh all around beyond gameplay being sorta fun if it wasn't mindlessly easy
I feel like you would've done alot better if you started with a game like devil survivor. Its a much better bridge from persona to smt than the proverbial jump off a cliff that is nocturne
Nocturne is my favorite SMT. Its the game I think about for years after randomly. Nothing has a world/atmosphere like Nocturne. Nothing. Lonely is a great description of it. It really feels like the apocalypse happened
I still don't understand people saying SMT is hard Both SMT and Persona ain't hard at all if you get the mechanics It's literally just Persona and SMT babies crying all the time lmao just fucking play the games and enjoy them man
I love Nocturne and grew up on it, but man is it a labor of love. I mean actual labor, it's actual work to get what you might love out of it. I feel like on a scale the Persona series is on one far end of the Mega-Ten umbrella, and SMT is on the far far opposite. I'd say that Digital Devil Saga kinda falls somewhere in the middle, likely leaning a bit more towards SMT because of it's gameplay. Nocturne is the kind of game where if you are made to play it and don't like games like it, it will turn you away from any games like it due to the work involved in getting ANYTHING out of it. That being said, I'd put in that work every time.
One of my fav youtubers making a video on one of my fav franchises lessgoo! I got smt3hd when it came out but haven't started yet. I want to know how you like smt4 when you finish it tho because that's the game that made me a fan of the series :D
ah good old SMT. Its interesting to look at all the different mainline and spinoff games to see what they took and adapted from one another. From the SMT5 trailer we got at E3 it looks like it draws a lot from Nocturne, with the protagonist alone in the world with their demons and probably persona stand man fused with for company. Maybe that's why they selected Nocturne for the remaster, on top of it being a cult classic fan favourite
Yeah I have no idea wtf people are talking about when they complain about a JRPG's framerate. At that point they're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
10:52....That's just most of the mainline games minus 4. Believe me Smt in terms of story isn't especially character driven. It cares more about it's world and themes rather than the individual characters which isn't a bad thing but I could see why some people would get bored.
i didn't really mention this in the video, but i'm super excited for SMT V. it looks amazing from all the trailers.
also NO MORE RANDOM ENCOUNTERS!
Ok
poggers
thats a thing since smt iv, though, but yeah
Yeah man! and i love the main character design! Is so cool and unique! And those demons in the overworld look promising!
Yep, also NO MORE STACKING BUFFS. and buffs are split into Ma and non-ma prefix buffs. So say goodbye to stacking Sukukaja on those enemies and making them miss every attack when its their turn.
I got baited by this title and all I got was a good video
Honestly I enjoy both series
i formally apologize for the clickbait, and thanks i'm glad you liked it :)
No need to apologize, you might've introduced him to a new series
Holy moly! Iron Pineapple! Was not expecting that. I got recommended this video because I watch a lot of Shin Megami Tensei stuff. Mythymoo and Iron Pineapple are the top tier in my mind when it comes to Dark Souls stuff.
I now got my dose of SMT, Iron Pineapple and also a new channel to look at.
He got me in exactly the same way, if not for the title - I wouldn't have clicked.
"Persona fans have enough on their plate after discovering the existence of jazz music" fucking sent me
This, I think one of the reasons people dislike Persona 5 is just because they are tired of hearing 12 years olds call it the second coming of Jesus fucking Christ. It's soundtrack is good and fun but nothing legendary.
@@MALICEM12 Of course music is tough to talk about because it dips into subjectivity so heavily but I don't think anyone can deny how iconic almost any Persona soundtrack has become at this point, especially persona 5
@@nanashi7779I can. I can deny it
@@pseudzy so u telling you don’t feel a thing when you hear
YOU NEVER SEE IT COMIIIING~
@@jesusmen6308 It's good but doesn't hit as hard as a bunch of angels with distorted voices singing about how
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
IM THE BUG INSIDE YOU
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
I HAVE YOUR BACK TO THE WALL
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
FEAR GOD AND GIVE GLORY TO HIM
JUSTICE HAS COME TO YOU
As someone who is both a fan of the souls series and SMT I can confirm I am in pain 90% of the time when I play them.
Git gud
and i love the pain of both series
Dino Nuggies
We got a masochist over here
@@Gyro-nb6tp Dino Nuggies.
Demon negotiation be like:
"So, you want me to join you? Fine, but first I require:
-25 life stones
-3/4 of your HP
-Half your MP
-100,000 macca
-3 of your insenses
- X demon's life
- and your thoughts about life and death.
> Life sucks
> Death sucks
> ...What? <
"Lmao get outta here punk."
*smirk*
//
"You are asking me to join you? I dunno... You seem kinda fishy."
> Yesn't <
>Yes
>No
"The arguments you have presented are believable, therefore I shall join your ranks to help you in your quest of slaying the local God and murdering my peers."
i love shin megami tensei feels like home im a castlevania fan with more lurking demons and evil creature devouring souls vomiting acid i love it one more god rejected!!!!!
lol. I love how fickle the demons are, as they should be. I never ever give those fuckers macca or valuable items. It's so random that it hardly matters what you do; if they want to join, they'll join.
There’s also a healthy amount of negotiations that are just straight up RNG and your choices don’t matter, _fun_
@@yoshifan2334 Yeah, like in SMT IV.
After giving away all your Macca to some greedy yellow rat and you get the "question";
"Dig a hole!"
>Dig
>Dig
>Dig <
"This will be your grave!"
I’M NOT CONVINCED!
GIVE ME 28 MACCA
I’M NOT CONVINCED!
GIVE ME a life stone
I’M NOT CONVINCED
GIVE ME $33
I’M NOT CONVINCED!
GIVE ME your life
I’M NOT C
I will always love how Matador is literally the biggest wakeup call in this game
The first time I fought him, I could not land a single hit on him, and he destroyed me
I wasted an entire day irl to farm to give back that humiliation to him
In my run of the game i did not encounter him...and have not encountered him so far. Is there something i missed that triggers the battle?
@@hanskagejin519 Are you playing with any of the DLC's? There are 2 that expand the game, Chronicle (where you fight Raidou, the protag of Devil Summoner), or Maniax (you fight Dante from the DMC series. That would be the only difference between them, and Chronicle is free)
It’s that damn mazan lol
I always heard about Matador so I did my damn best to prepare and barely won by a lucky Crit with only Demi-Fiend surviving.
Hell Biker was my wake up call as his fight was like hell with him removing buffs and debuffs then using Hell Throttle and spamming fire attacks wiping my team.
If you hate random encounters that much, Persona 1 will make you gouge your own eyes out.
You don't know what smt 1 is like lmao, fight ends another steps and another fights begin, granted you can get estoma but still
@@agusrlz8655 indeed the chaos hero left me and now i cant stand thise fcking encounters
Absolutely
@@agusrlz8655 Why are you assuming they don't know about SMT 1 lol MegaTen fans are always so hostile plus in my personal experience SMT 1 was more bearable than P1 when it comes to encounter rate. I wasn't mad at SMT 1's rate as much as I was with P1 and 2.
To this day, Lone Prayer is still sounding on my head when I hear the encounter sfx.
2:50 you forgot to mention that "and after dying a lot, the game literally laughs at you, calls you trash and unlocks easy difficulty"
I mean, it IS still an ATLUS game.
That's a devil may cry 3 moment
@@tahaelhour690 "Easy mode is now selectable"
@@tahaelhour690 I mean, DMC is about demons too, and Dante's and Vergil's Devil Trigger were designed by Kazuma Kaneko, the lead character designer for many Megaten games...
@@third-ratedude4234 Kaneko only designed Dante's and Vergil's Devil Trigger forms in DMC3, he didn't design any monsters.
10 full minutes of complaints and then following it up with "I liked nocturne" is the biggest fucking mood ever
I don't know why I love this series. It brings me pain when I play it. But I always come back yearning for more.
Maybe it's because it isnt a game where your hand gets holded through the entire game, and shows no "easy" option when things get a bit hard.
Dino Nuggies.
truly a soulsborne
I love the smt series but I agree with most of his points. To me SMT 4 is a much better game, and it's not even close. I have no idea why the Fandom drools over nocturne the way they do. If I were to hazard a guess, most fans are probably just salty that the follow up ended up on a nintendo handheld but it doesn't change the fact that 4 is a much better game in nearly every aspect and specifically addressed the shortcomings of nocturne that were highlighted in this video.
@@chowdaire7343 Dino Nuggies.
My first SMT was SMT IV. The first boss fight was simply impossible that I thought it must be a scripted event where I have no choice but to lose. But then when I saw the game over screen... I knew that this JRPG won't tolerate weakness.
Remember reset if you get Walter and use buffs
Was my first JRPG too
@@pelvisdrones237 real men beat the boss with Walter being an ass
>face super hard boss
>Walter HOY
>uses agi
Epic style
I had the luck to play P5, want something similar, and the only thing I could get at the time was SMT Nocturne one the PS3 through the PS2 Classics lineup. So I played the original SMT Nocturne without context… it murdered my child sef
Great video! I agree on the lonely feeling but that's actually a big draw for me: Nocturne succeeds so well at feeling lonely that I really get that post-apocalyptic feeling that a lot of other games with similar settings don't give me. I love the characters in Persona, but I also love the quiet dread and atmosphere of Nocturne.
Why dont you play a REAL SMT game like Tokyo Mirage Sessions???
TOKYO MIRAGE SESSIONS ISNT A REAL SHIN MEGOMI TENSAY GAME LIKE RONDE SMH 🤦♂️
play a real smt game like snowboard kids
ReAL fans play Jack Bros.
@@banditjoe4611 Play a real atlus game like Tramua Center
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is literally just SMT backwards.
I hope that now that Shin Megami Tensei is finally getting more spotlight from Atlus, both the SMT and Persona will be able to put their differences and dead memes aside to just enjoy one of the best series of RPG's ever.
This comment right here ladies and gentlemen. Hopefully in the future that the Smt and Persona fanbases just merge as one into Megami Tensei/Megaten fans. That needs to happen now more than ever now with the realease of Smt 5 getting closer. Edit:I'm currently playing Nocturne HD on my switch, loving it so far. Can't wait for smt 5 to release five days after my birthday(it must be fate that the fifth game in the series releases five days after my birthday lol)
I agree with this
YES, I’m so tired of seeing “persona bad” “is this a persona ripoff”
Okay 1. Spot on right here I hope that smt fans and persona fans can come together harmony and all that
B. Does jack frost hang out with penguins up there
I love Persona because of the things it does differently than SMT. I'm glad SMT V is being made for the people who wanted it, but It's not for me.
As someone who likes Nocturne, your criticisms are spot on. The game is definitely dated and a lot of the dungeons are just a pain in the ass. If anyone was trying to get into mainline SMT, I would definitely recommend 4 over Nocturne any day. Devil Survivor is another good spinoff that's a good middle ground between SMT and Persona in terms of having a character focused narrative, while still being darker in tone.
I got into mainline with nocturne. Though I wouldn't say I really got into it since the pain of lvling up and grinding for money was basically replaced with 2 areas where you can grind xp and money items. But I still do love the challenge that mainline brings and it's much fairer compared to persona.
I got into mainline with nocturne after playing persona 3 way back in the day and now follow both series on each separate release after having gone back and played all of them in both. (Some not to completion like p2 and strange journey) but I can say without a doubt between all personas and all smts nocturne just hits that right feel for story for me. It’s so metal what happens in nocturne especially if you do the true demon ending. Absolutely steamrolled through the hd remaster because of having buffs and debuffs on my demons at all times.
@@BoostedMonkey05 oh yeah, my comment wasn't to say that Nocturne can't be a starting point, it's still a great game with a lot to offer! The challenge and press turn system are some of the main draws for me. I hope you enjoy the rest of the series (assuming you've only played Nocturne)!
@@meitomiyazaki9848 Hell yeah, Nocturne is metal as hell and I will always love it for having that vibe. I think that the sort of grungy feel of nocturne combined with the overall design of the environments in the game is really something special even compared to other titles in the series.
@@Mephilis2123 I actually started with Persona 5 and I wanted another game where there was memorable monster designs that you can negotiate with and you can identify their weaknesses just by remembering what they look like. I've been playing P5 on Merciless as a tutorial for when I get to mainline, I can say for certain that it paid off.
Nocturne really does have a lot of aggravating parts ranging from the confusing dungeons to the random encounters, but in a weird way I feel like that adds to the game. The cruel and punishing world accompanies the loneliness of your journey to create such an epic and unforgettable experience for me, easily my favorite ps2 title and one of my favorite jrpgs of all time. I'm glad you tried it, even if you got frustrated at some points!
It's a hold over from smt 1 and 2 in that sense. The last time that the series would be like that.
That said, complaining that a two decade old game is outdated in design feels silly. Of course it is.
Hey smt are glorified walking sims with death
I'm replaying Nocturne myself at the moment and it is extremely rare that a game makes me tell my TV to "fuck off, stupid asshole" followed by "now I am going to drop the fucking hammer on your ass" and concluded with "oh no he dodged I'm dead"
the only hard SMT game is the first one you decide to play
Me, who played Dx2: ._.
For almost everyone it is nocturne or IV
So it’s like dark souls
My first one was smt iv and I suffered in the first dungeon.....
What do you mean? Devil Survivor Overclocked was easy, even though I often barely won.
I witnessed too many people during the live chat for SMT 5 going "This looks like a persona rip-off" etc etc. A part of me hopes they were kidding, but a part of me know there were some who had to be serious.
> Reading live chat for a games conference/presentation
Well there's your first mistake
Saw some people call it a Undertale ripoff.
Undertale is litterally inspired by smt. Look it up.
Reading live chat in a Nintendo direct? That's basically suicide from cringe damage.
@@marcog.verbruggen674 I'm well aware. But sometimes I like to see people's thoughts. Even if the loud majority of live chat is just memers and complainers so after that I just kept it shut off. Saw the same with people begging for elden ring during Bandai Namcos bit, and im thinking "You morons it was already shown"
@@GentlemanMudkip It kills me a little every time some interesting, creative, thought-provoking and/or contemplative game is shown, and the live chat is just "BOOOOOO" "BOOOORIIIIING" "GIVE US [insert extremely popular, arguably derivative, mainstream billion-dollar franchise] NOW" and various assortments of slurs. No wonder the AAA games industry has become the most profitable entertainment industry in the world while simultaneously releasing more and more and more unfinished, over-monetized, broken games over and over year after year.
But really though, SMT elitist memes aside, people genuinely should at least give the SMT series a try, they might like it if they like Persona.
Yeah. Peeps are missing out
DINO NUGGIES.
I can't really say I agree. Combat is just a part of Persona, but it's like 80% of SMT. If they're into Persona because because of the writing, they're not gonna like SMT.
@@soap07230
The real SMT content
@@thomaswood8405 I'd argue that SMT 3 has better writing than P5, and that's the most popular game in the series so...
I don't know, personally I'm not too huge on these types of games (tried Dark Souls back in the 360/ps3 era, hated it, and a few years later beat DS2... it took me 6 months), meaning I'm not quite the elitist or anything, and I really liked SMT 3, but more specifically, the DDS duology is easily in my top 10.
The jump from Persona to SMT is definitely doable if you're open minded (I did P4-3-5 -> DDS1&2 -> P1-2 -> SMT 3)
I do think, at least for me personally, what has lead to a lot of the animosity between "persona fans" and "smt fans" is that, along with the elitism of "go play a real smt game" from one side, there is the constant complaining about no new persona anytime any news of V comes up from the other. Its really annoying being someone who enjoys all parts of the overarching franchise, especially because its become such a meme that I actually can't talk about mainline with friends because every single time its just constant "oh you mean that persona rip off" while when I talk persona everyone is fully on board
Yeah, as someone who loves both SMT and Persona, I can definitely say that both fandoms are not perfect. The SMT community is filled with a bunch of elitists, and the persona community is normally filled with a bunch of people who hate SMT because “it’s not persona.” And that’s why I have a hard time suggesting SMT to people, especially persona fans. Even though I’m just genuinely suggesting a game that I think they would enjoy, I get called an elitist for just mentioning an SMT game. And then, if I say I love any of the modern persona games around SMT fans, I get shitted and told to a “play a real game like strange journey.” In conclusion, I hate the SMT and persona community.
@@jokeryeha5167 lets make our own megaten community. With black frost, and hooker
@@CooperSummersVA lets fucking gooooooooooooo
@@senorapples1115 Hee ho!
@@CooperSummersVA and Frost Ace, he's a pretty chill dude.
Ah Nocturne. The game where every major boss fight can make you lose any self confidence you ever had. Where you have to constantly rethink strategies to match the tools the opponents throw at you...
Or you just fuse the funny dead monk and basically never die ever again.
Mot would like to make his turn infinitely long and then spam you to death with Megidolaon. Do you allow it? Choose between Yes and Yes
So basically, persona fans are like annoying little children and SMT fans are like grumpy cynical grandpas
yeah pretty much
@Benji 64 a lot of it is a stereotype and a lot of it is true.
people do act this way in the fandom but a lot of people are just frustrated by how annoying this shit can be, myself included.
me, ive only played persona 2. i was going to play smt 4 but my 3ds is broken and i hate emulating. i tend to side with smt fans in this dispute, but i can appreciate the persona games for what they are.
it's really just a long winded argument that doesn't look like its going to end any time soon.
Yakkocm: Ok, now people is going to be happy with me right?
Shin megami fans: Now read a real shin megami novel you poser.
Edit: Wait! I legitimaly wasn't expecting the Shin Megami novel reference and that he actually have it.
The MegaTen novel was some real edgy shit man.
@@BoostedMonkey05 like what level of edgy? Because as far as I know these games are pretty edgy themselfs, even if I'm barely starting the megaten games now.
Go play a real tabletop game
@@franconunez925 like cringe edgelord edge. The ones that swear they will take "revenge against you in the most gruesome way possible and multiply that by 6" kind of edgy bullshit. Something a 14 year old might write.
More like watch a real Megami Tensei OVA.
Hot take: darksouls is the darksouls of jrpgs.
i agree, but you should also consider that sekiro is the dark souls of the action genre, which metal gear revengeance is a part of, revengeance being the metal gear of that genre since metal gear is a stealth game which is its own genre, metal gear being one of the first stealth games, helping to create the genre that sekiro is also a part of
@@Jawny00 Full disclosure, I don't exactly consider dark souls a jrpg. Nor am I qualified to have that discussion. I've never played a souls game. My main point is that video game genre discourse is dumb and horribly defined. I mean it's so bad that dmc and streets of rage would be considered different genres based off the camera, and nothing else.
@@yusharider i was just joking, also i agree that game genres are dumb coz they are so badly defined
@@Jawny00 I see you're a man of culture as well
@@Jawny00 same goes for music
Dark souls : The SMT of action rpg
the opening of Nocturne where you're just fighting ghosts for spare change in a creepy basement really sets the overall tone
Nocturne's more tedious dungeon design is kind of a holdover from SMT's first-person dungeon-crawly origins. Especially the teleport mazes(though every SMT game has at least one of those)
Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne is the Shin Megami Tensei of the Shin Megami Tensei series.
SMT is pokemon but instead beating the monster half death, imprisoning them inside a ball and force them to fight to the death for you, you negotiate and asked them to join you instead
....
Which game is the game about demons again?
I mean out of context it sounds bad but when you get to it. Pokemon is basically about humans taming super powered animals. Animals that get earthquaked while being paralyze AND CAN SURVIVE. Some of them have psychic powers and some can eat souls. Even god himself is one of these things. Is it really bad to say that keeping them in balls isnt a safety requirement?
still SMT because they take my macca, call me a bitch, then leave
@@senorapples1115 funny cause that's what SMT is except they're not animals, lol
I guess that's what happened when negotiation isn't an option
@@snailthelostcow63 SMT existed way before pokemon you dumbass.
@@Aggro224 4 years, not that bad.
SMT is like that candy you've never tasted and once you do all the other candies taste not as good.
The turn base combat of SMT tucks me in at night and gives me a goodnight kiss.
Nah thats crpgs, playing Wizardry 8 made me realize how mediocre SMT really is.....
@Grima the Fell Dragon We dont talk about mot.
@Grima the Fell Dragon Mot? PFFFF...who's Mot? I don't know Mot...I DON'T KNOW, you're probably hallucinating, y'know *hahahahahahahahahahahah...*
@@MILDMONSTER1234 sounds wizardry is mediocre
Correction : SMT proceeds to beat you up in anyway posssible then tuck you good night
To be fair, the "play a real SMT game" thing is more a bit of an in-joke with most of the hardcore fans of the series (especially over on reddit, which is exceedingly chill/self-deprecating typically). I'm sure there are some youtube comments that say that shit seriously, but yeah, I haven't really seen it said much otherwise.
It's not my thing, but more power to the people who were able to enjoy Persona 5. It just means Atlus gets to do more cool stuff, and from what we're seeing of SMTV, they are more than following through so far.
Edit: Props for buying that Digital Devil Story novel, lmao. Those are... something else.
Does the DDS MegaTen OVA adapt the novel perfectly?
I started with SMT 3 and Digital Devil Saga. I'm so happy the SMT franchise has gotten so big,more people to share my love of the series with
If you have any interest in playing SMT related games, then I'd highly recommend playing the Digital Devil Saga duology. It fixes many of the issues that are in Nocturne, adds in much more written and spoken story and plot elements, major plot twists that keep you engaged, and arguably one of Shoji Meguro's best OSTs
And (as far as my memory goes) a Super Boss fight against the Demi-fiend in the 1st Digital Devil Saga because... I have no idea and I don't care.
Digital Devil Saga is severely underrated imo and I wish more people played it, also the opening themes for both games are bangers
DDS duology are the real dark souls of SMT in my book. DDS difficulty spikes wayy more than nocturne. It features some of the superbosses which will put any other SMT games to shame.
Except for random encounters. The encounter rate is so high, shit feels like harassment
@@PikangsFutaba My best guess is that it was to spit on any game that prided itself for having hard super bosses.
I’ve been playing the remaster too and I’ve actually really been enjoying the dungeons.
Considering that all SMT games before Nocturne were all 2D dungeon crawlers they definitely made a game that felt just like a dungeon crawler but in 3D.
I haven’t felt like I needed to explore an entire area and fill out a map this much before and I’ve really been enjoying this aspect of Nocturne
A few of the later dungeons are awful, but for the most part it's pretty good. Encounter rate sucks though, I'm on the final dungeon and still haven't found the "Estoma" skill shown in the video...
@@bestesthd in the first kalpa of the labyrinth of Amala there is a shady broker that will sell you a demon with estoma and every other traversal ability. It’s super useful.
Plenty of other ways to get estoma though
@@TreeOfTurles I'll be spending some time in the Labyrinth then, and maybe in the Cathedral of Shadows too... I've dealt with it long enough, can't take this encounter rate anymore. geez
@@bestesthd if you recruit setanta form yoyogi Park, you will immediately have access to the skill
@UC8rBHyPGD_X6tOgHXRX7OEw the encounter rate is not that bad, stop being a bitch
Persona 5 is great because it makes me feel like I have friends
Damn same
Ahahaahah
Friends? Meehhhhh
¡ ONE MORE GOD REJEDTEC !
To be honest, the reason I didn't really like playing Persona 4 is because it felt like too much like actually having friends, which probably says more about me than it does about the game. I preferred the dungeon-crawling parts over the social-sim aspect.
Reject friends
Return to kicking Lucifer in the balls
So, maybe a weird take, but for me, the constant bombardment of random encounters has a purpose in the early to mid-game stretch where it's meant to make you fearful for your life as it constantly drains your resources and forces you to consider if you can afford to explore further instead of returning to the healer for a resupply. Having said that, I will admit that especially on team setups that don't use magic much in random encounters, even around the time you run into Matador, you can start to feel like they are kinda too easy and too common, therefore being really annoying. Additionally, it also feels like a thematic decision in that the constant encounter rate helps to build this idea that Demifiend and most SMT protags live lives defined by constant battle and with no rest for them until or even after their job is done.
Copium
@@merlinsbeard778 huh?
Great!...But, yknow, symbolism and lore being integrated into the gameplay doesn't always make great gameplay.
@@ED-gw9rgCase in point: The finale of Drahkgengard 3.
@@ED-gw9rg Frankly there are other Atlus titles that have perceptionally high encounter rates like Persona 1 and I think Smt if. I don't think it was a thematic choice but more something that was constantly tweaked, until overworld enemies became the norm.
Most SMT titles do have an ability called Estoma tho, which allows you to turn off the encounters until you go into a different area. In nocturne it lowers the encounter rate however.
SMT can be lowkey hilarious man with how edgy and adult some of their stuff can be
3:02 Ah yeah sure. I'll pretend the 4 hours of tutorials and introduction in Persona 4 and 5 are nothing. Specially in NG+.
to be fair the tutorial palace in persona 5 is actually really good
@@ririxdd From my point of view, I am glad P5R added skip cutscenes because there's lots of it in P5 in the first 4 hours. I can't even be free to go around the mao and all my way is forced, losing literally two weeks of gameplay. I hate it.
In smt they kill u in tutorial
@@ririxdd Only the first time you play it, I still love it but on NG+ I was just mashing the triangle button.
Exactly early persona 4 is excruciating to go through
i very much disagre that the story gets uninteresting after the beginning. in this game all the minor characters actually have interesting stuff to say an flesh out the world and story (wich isn't often the case in other rpgs). sure the story is not thrown in your face but the minimal style adds to the mystery and atmosphere imo.
indeed!
there are many aspects of story and lore thrown in the world and characters and how they interact, every one of them is fleshed out because the series knows that they are limited, more than anyone gives it credit for
but i guess thats what happens when you play persona and enter a game that doesnt have social links for every character
@@SterneStarfrost thanks dante the wacky pizza man
@@SterneStarfrost nah but for real every time i recomend nocturne to somone i tell them: "talk to every npc you come accross. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE."
I was definitely surprised when the classmate I thought would have become a law ending ended up becoming the Chaos ending
I disagree. I have just beat red rider and while I'm loving this game so far due to its combat and especially its art direction (god the lighting is just gorgeous at times), this game has no story. Everything is just plot and exposition. None of the characters feel even remotely real to me.
This video is truly the Dark Souls of JRPG reviews
This is your best _"openworld-strand-soulslike-metroidvania" type_ video yet Yakko!!!
This reminds me of the from software fans trying to name their favorite series.
"Hey, there's a new game, but with a different name, and it's very similar, let's combine the names!" Soulsborne
"Hey, another new game, but this one is completely different ... Oh well, it's made by the same creator let's slap the names together." SoulKiro Borne
"Wait, a new game again but with a different name AGAIN? Fuck it let's just slap all these bad boys together" SoulKiroBorne Ring
i feel like a lot of the people who tell you to play an smt game anytime you talk about how much you like persona dont realize you dont wanna play smt, you wanna play persona
I remember my first time playing smt devil survivor when i was 13, that shit gave me nightmare cuz its so hard that i ended up breaking my ds, but since i grew up playing lots of trpg games i ended up playing that game again then realize how thrilling it is.
since then i started playing a lot of smt series and i love them all
I’m glad SMT is finally getting more recognition. It’s definitely my favorite video game series. The combat is always really fast-paced and fun, the stories are always really interesting, and (of the course) the music is always amazing.
i can say not as hard as people crying about it being only thing i say is hard is getting good fuse info off the web as people are like use the calculator as we do not know what demon is a most for the fuse
I love SMT nocturne and I agree 100% with your criticisms. I love persona as well but the combat engine in SMT games scratches a very especific itch for me. You have to learn about the demons, the game is all about them. Its a pokemon game from hell.
I often feel like in persona you get "disposable personas" and you dont get attached to them. In SMT you have to use everything they have because of the difficulty and I love that focus on the demons.
Both franchises are amazing. Nice vid man
the disposable personas thing applies to smt as well, besides a few very strong ones theyre mostly meant to be disposable
@@enzoidd but you stick with them for more time. Yes you have to change, but on hard you have to fuse them and learn their habilities very carefully and they also evolve. In persona I feel like 1 level is enough to change a persona and that skill that you can summon personas levels above you makes this worse. In smt you must choose the right demons you have to know them or you get wrecked
@@enzoidd Not all of them are disposable tho. In SMT 4, you can evolve your demons if you stick longer with them
@@yzhiel2680 And generally you find yourself consciously fusing demons in SMT to solve the problems ahead of you while in Persona, you're frequently just fusing to clear out space in your inventory.
@@Default78334I feel like a scientist playing SMT. Trying to brew up the perfect demon for the trials ahead.
While I do agree with most of the points, you don’t need to be 10 hours in to get estoma lol. You can get it for 15000 Macca starting at level 28 in the first kalpa by talking to the shady broker. The demon he gives you not only has estoma but a fucking ton of other spells that are very useful for dungeon exploring
That Picasa is literally the GOAT, I still have him in my party like 40 hours in lol
@@grubfriend if you want to explore any of the tunnel dungeons it’s basically a necessity, otherwise you’ll spend tons extra on repulse bells, float balls, and light balls and who wants to do that on hard mode where they cost nearly 1000 per each
@@mimikyuthemystic4818 yeah, that pisaca is god amongst men, I get him a little late but not too much, also he stuck with me until end game
@@DrunkedOwly pisaca and daisoubro, accompany me till the end of game
You can get Estoma at lvl 18 with Archangel if I remember
"there are too many tutorials in smtiv" "youre thrown in without many tutorials"
...bruh
Ever heard of a balance
@@Norrabal what the fuck is that
@@Norrabal smt 4 doesn't even have many tutorials.
@@LordlyWeeb my point is, it sounded like they were complaining about him sounded indecisive, like it first he was saying too many tutorials, and smt 4 had almost no tutorials, and what he would've liked was a balance,
It's hard read the comment's mood
They give you enough. If you’re still failing your unlucky, incredibly stupid, or both
-I feel bad for anyone who would ever try to start with Nocturne
Me *already won against Matador :Real shit man
Well My first mainline was nocturne and i'm almost ending it
I think the fact that it's so lonely sells the atmosphere really well. I imagine Demifiend is just a guy that tries to survive in a really harsh world and that really makes the immersion much more satisfying.
But really reason why I like SMT more than Persona is the combat system. Persona's One More system with the all-out attack and the recent Baton Pass system just makes the battles dull for me just by cheesing them except for a few boss fights. SMT's Press Turn is simple but it does its job really well by leveling the playing field for you AND your enemy. If an encounter lasts more than two turns happens, I gotta think more seriously on how to survive it. Not to mention how the fusion system really makes you think on how to build your party, while Persona just only has it to make the MC new personas while everyone else's is prebuilt. So yeah basically I like SMT more just because the combat has more depth to it imo than Persona
Thing is only persona 3 onwards has the whole mc is the only who can fuse demons and use them because persona 1 and 2's duology has it where every party member can have three personas at once, i don't know why they changed it i liked it, it gave me more room to balance my party around bosses and dungeons.
I think P5, with all of the quick changes and extra turns it allows, its more about styling on demons than slowly planning your turns to not fucking die in the next enemy turn. And I enjoy it. To add to the title of this video. If SMT is for JRPGs what Dark Souls is for Action Games, then Persona 5 is Devil May Cry. Yeah sure, you can win the game by just button mashing and abusing your most powerful skill, but the real fun in the game is in planning cool combos and feeling stylish as hell while killing enemies. And I like both games for very different reasons.
I thought turn press was kind of boring honestly
Yakko flexing his mom's animal crossing world is the greatest part of this video
It's just, so wholesome.
Yakkocmm is the dark souls of ringfit adventure
I enjoyed the video from 13:08-13:50
Nocturne was my first SMT game. A friend picked it up for me after hearing me complain about modern Pokémon. I loved it (hate the end game dungeons), but overall it really does scratch that Pokémon itch. Didn't really have a problem with the bosses but I can see why people get destroyed by them. I can happily say I've moved on to 5 and I'm loving it too.
SMT will never be mainstream.
But I hope that people will start showing respect or at least recognize the name
"Respect your elders, Pokemon. You have come far but you should always remember where you started."
Nah....
Wait it should get popular to piss off the elitist... Hmm
What i like more on SMT is their sentient living demons and gods, they feel alive. Unlike Persona who just talks at first then proceeds to never talk again.
"man persona is too easy I need a challenge"
Matador: *I challenge you to a duel*
Still can't recover from the second kalpa
Persona: got smooth jazz
Shin Megami Tensei:FRICKING ROCKSSSSSSS
The elitists for this series are the minority, don't worry about them.
Also, the games aren't THAT hard. They just keep you on your toes. I wouldn't say Nocturne *gets* good either, I thoroughly enjoyed it from the very beginning.
Lies, Mexican Papyrus won't stop default dancing on me
@@NeoCoreSaturn Use sukukaja
@@NeoCoreSaturn use dekaja/sukukaja
@@NeoCoreSaturn he doesn't reapply red Capote unless you completely remove his buffs, so you can Sukunda him 3 times (or fog breath and 1 sukunda) to leave him at +1, then use Sukukaja to boost your own agility to max so you have a +3 agility advantage over him. It makes a big difference and that combined with a demon that nullifies wind he will waste a lot of his turns.
@Fanjanhong * Well yeah, nuisances are everywhere in life, especially in any fanbase. If you let them get to you then you won't be able to enjoy a lot of things. It's not lazy at all.
Reads title
Gets instant flashbacks of *THAT* Kotaku article about SMT IV back in 2013.
Oh, and big SMT V hype now that we got a gameplay trailer and official release date!!
weeb
@@linkach8898 yeah bro
It's how it be
i've gotten this weeb comment from like 6 different people across multiple megaten videos. Is it because of my pfp or am I missing something?
@@seth7726 yeah probably just your pfp lol. Don't take it to heart, I can't say for sure but if they were all on Megaten videos it's probably just people kidding around. We're all weebs here lol
@@twincherries6698don't worry lol I know it's just a joke but it got me wondering a lot because it felt like if it was staged haha. It must be because I've had this pic since 2013 so many people from the community might already know me in a sense
10:22 This is really the only point I’d disagree on. Not the fact that it’s lonely, because it definitely is. More the fact that that’s a bad thing. I’d argue it fits well with the rest of the themes and tone of the game. Understandably not for everyone, though.
Also, the audio compression is the only real issue I have with the remaster. Like, shit, it doesn’t need to be a full orchestra rework! Just make sure it doesn’t sound like ass!
When people misunderstand the intention of the loneliness it makes me frustrated because I just want to tell them that they are supposed to feel terrible in the lonely world and the unwelcome nature of the vortex world (There being no safe spots and the sparse dialogue) is meant to instill a deep sense of dread within you.
@@phillemon7664 yes! Both of you are correct thank you!
W8 "featuring dante from the devil may cry series " isnt a meme
Yeah, I still wonder how the hell did Dante, son of Sparda end up in smt
Great video!
I like SMT3 Nocturne a lot - I haven't finished it but I'm right at that part with the full moon shadow boss. I plan to get back to it after I finish SMTV (I'm very slow to complete JRPGs..)
Hard mode is the actual fun mode of this game imo. You said random encounters can be auto'd but try that on hard and you'll most likely get killed by a demon with counter lol. Not trying to be toxic, just saying that if people think the game is getting easy and boring, why not try hard mode? After all, the remaster lets you change the difficulty whenever you like it.
Repel Phys be like
hard mode is literal garbage and artificial difficulty, only actual fun is hardtype on hard mode (after playing the game once on normal ofc)
Playing through on hard mode rn! Really agree with everything you said here.
Hard mode, the difficulty that makes surviving the tutorial a dice roll! :)
@@chaosphantoms Hard mode is literaly like pokemon, the enemy has the same damage calculation as you. In normal a "wild" pixie would do 8 points of damage but 16 in your party, while in hard both do 16.
While a lot of people consider nocturne to be the "certified hood classic" of the series. I've found that the best SMT games are the 3ds ones.
I'm talking
-4 and 4 Apocalypse (yes, fight me)
-Strange journey redux (satanic personaQ)
-soul hackers
-devil survivor (the true fire emblem x SMT).
But other than the 3ds there's digital devil saga which is nocturne but better on ps2.
I know the fan base is full of elitists but we're just kinda mad we've been shafted for the persona series, and this series is definitely worth checking out.
Also, music. Music slaps.
Facts no cap ong
Aside from Soul Hackers, full agree.
I love all of those a lot. I love nocturne around as much as 4 Apocalypse
To be fair; SMT 4 clearly learnt from the random encounters, as they're on the overworld in that.
im so happy because of that. i beat nocturne and dds1,2 and couldnt bring myself to play anymore random encounters.
They're still essentially random in IV. They spawn out of nowhere and chase you as if you're playing Madden. DQ11 (and smt v too, it seems) on the other hand has symbol encounters that are hardly threatening at all. They just stand around and hardly chase you. Its difficult finding the right balance.
i'm almost finished with smt nocturne yet, (at trumpeter) despite your reviewing saying this game is outdated it actually convinced me to play this game, and somehow this is in my top 10 favorite games and one of the of most unfun games i've ever played i don't know how to explain it
Bought this out of curiosity
Later learned that the game can be summarized as “a shirtless man wandering in depressingly long endless corridors with the least minimum interaction”
God, I’m so lonely….
yeah persona is definitely more accessible, but i really enjoy getting my shit kicked in repeatedly by wendigo on my 6th playthrough of smt 4
the game being harder isn't necessarily a bad thing and i just wish people could grasp that. i unironically think merciless 5 is easier than fellow mode smt 4 lmao
good video :)
W take
I find SMT IV on normal difficulty to be not much harder than when I played P5 on normal/easy mode lmao but to be fair P5 was my first game in the whole series and probably my first jrpg, so I was not used to the mechanics at all. Also helped that I beat P3 FES on normal mode before starting SMT IV, that also helped me get used to the mechanics more. Yeah mainline SMT mechanics are fairly different to Persona but there's also a lot of similarities
First I found SMT 4 quite hard...then I realized the power of save/load.
So you guys are just masochists
Right out of the gate there is like 200 things right with the video:
Yackko is talking bout smt
He is rocking that fabulous hollow knight shirt
And lastly.... I just like it when he uploads a video since I get filled with childlike wonder-
HE SAID THE THING!
Persona 5 is definitely a better starting point. Hell, Apocalypse is probably a better starting point. I still really enjoy this game over all, but this is a game for people who are already fans of this type of game. Not remotely beginner friendly.
I definitely wouldn’t start with apocalypse since it’d spoil everything about smt 4
@@kingv-man8149 that's fair. I was thinking purely about mechanics but that's not always a good approach
@@salsamonkey65 Yeah gameplay mechanic wise Apocalypse is definately far more inviting.
@@dantemustdie00 it's not just the mechanics(affinities and better smirk), but rather the balance of the game in general(including the demons) as apocalypse also has a neat difficulty curve imo
whereas in iv it's gonna kick your balls at the start with those ambushes and resistances(nulls reflect and absorb on weak enemies lol) plus the whole smirk crap and partners(rather than being hard it's just more about luck), and then after you get out, it's pathetically easy and every demon becomes the same thanks to the fusion letting you change everything including its first skills, and the only other bosses harder on the game are because they spam ailments(which is solved by luck lol) or megidolaon in all their goddamn turns making the fight essentially a hp check even if you buff and debuff to the max (+2 -2 in some cases)
@@agusrlz8655 true, honestly the only tough enemies early game are the Oni's (tho if you or a demon has Shibaboo, they become a joke)
SMT IV deserves all the love Nocturne got.
I would also say Nocturne is just a terrible rep for the franchise... It's just too different from every other game in every way that pretending this represents the series in any fashion makes me sad...
This game is the roadblock people insist must be broken through, when really, I would say just avoid it entirely. I love it, but humanity be like that sometimes.
@@GirlLove4Ever I think smt4 is better then 3 but I feel like 3 is more iconic
@@burgerking-eg7xc Yup, hence our situation here...
Cool pfp.
Or just play SMT V when it comes out
Imagine getting buttmad about how your series is mistreated when they literally didn't remove Morgana in Royal
Why do people hate Morgana? He is the goodest boy.
@@Mysticuffs "LoOkIn CoOl JoKeR!"
Lmao, I'm playing through p4 and I feel this about rise so hard rn. Like, why you gotta comment on everything....
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495 that's why I can't romance her tbh
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495 Rise is overrated
I think Digital Devil Saga had the perfect mix of having smt bs and a memorable party so I would recommend it first.
I hope that game gets a well deserved remake
I feel like DDS had a great mix of difficult SMT gameplay and philosophical thought, and a party of actual individuals to get attached to with full on characterization outside of being metaphors for some greater meaning.
@@pierrotrogers Yes, I agree. Besides it brings to the table new mechanics into the megaten universe plus a great story.
Dds is great but
Devil survivor
@@sock312 Oh! You are right. I haven't played any of the Devil Survivor but I've seen some let's play and I would recommend them too.
This dude's gonna freak when he sees Eridanus.
@Fanjanhong * Where is the fun in doing that? Exploration is very integral to my enjoyment of SJ. Even on a replay I'd prefer to go out and map everything myself. Dunno what you mean about it being no different from SMT I, to my knowledge SMT I doesn't have ailment tiles, trap doors or secret doors and it definitely doesn't have anything like phase shifts.
@Fanjanhong * Listen man, I just enjoy first-person dungeon crawling. I don't mind the pitfalls since I'm all about autistically filling in the entire map anyway. In that sense and even in the sense of normal gameplay stepping on a pitfall is still making progress. Progress is fun. The backtracking was never that bad to me since it was always like a floor down and too far from a staircase. And I'll disagree on your points about difficulty and resource management, Expert mode has managed to always keep me on my toes while I'm in the current sector. It always been just the right level of peril from random encounters to keep me from getting bored just walking around.
>What's the fun in "exploring"? You mean staring at the same copy pasted blurry textures across the entire dungeon?
Are you just pretending that dungeon layout isn't the only thing that matters here? Textures mean zil when you're going to be looking at the bottom screen most of the time. I have fun exploring them because the layouts are interesting. If you want truly appalling dungeon design look no further than P4. I basically dropped that game because they were so dull and uninteresting.
Just looking up the layout of a dungeon seems so boring to me. If I'm not here to figure it out myself why am I even playing? I don't recall what you're talking about in Delphinus so I guess it wasn't an issue for me and not even Eridanus got me to look up a guide. The various hidden doors and the teleporter maze pissed me off to no end but that only made it more satisfying to finally uncover them and progress.
I'd say the optimal way for you to play SJ is to not play SJ since it seems like you despise just about every aspect of its design.
He’s gonna kill himself going through Antila he isn’t making it to Eridanus
@@sock312 Tbf Morax is a fucker to fight, at least on Expert mode. The actual dungeon isn't really bad though.
@@Osakart no I know the design isn’t bad this guy just seems to be a moron. I love strange journey to death.
Ok I'm not an elitist at all and I'm not very good at dark souls....but I never considered mainline smt to be overly difficult? It's nearly identical to playing Persona, so if you're used to one then you should be fine? Though I did feel that P5 was a little easier than other Persona titles. It was the first one where I felt like I needed to play on hard mode. I'm over halfway through playing the remastered SMT Nocturne and I've only died 2-3 times? Mostly from laziness. I'm not discounting other peoples experiences, just I don't think everyone should assume it's such a hard game.
This
Its only hard when you're being an idiot tbh
Yeah the gist of the combat loop is spam buffs/debuffs and exploit weaknesses.Maybe use an item right?
@@trashboat5388 Pretty much. Specifically spam sukukaja and fog breath in terms of buff and debuffs.
@@trashboat5388 yeah, now that I think of it, that may be what the issue here is. A lot of J-RPG's don't really reward you that much for using buffs and debuffs, but they are a literal game changer in SMT games. If people are not accustomed to using buffs then they will have a hard time.
As an SMT and Persona fan i must say that i don't understand why the fandoms of both sagas are almost always on a constant disagree... Can't we all be happy whike simping for Nekomata?
i love the use of sound test for the bg music
as part of the smt fanbase, your moms village looks amazing
I can't believe you actually bought the megami tensei book.... now you need to suffer the first megami tensei game xDD
Solid video and I will definitely check out your other stuff soon!
Oh God no, if he feels SMT 3 is dated, he will lose his goddamn mind with the first ever Megaten game.
@@jackmesrel4933 that's the idea 😏
@@jackmesrel4933 oh yeah dont forget demons that have spells that lowers your level permanently
@@reimumario4733
Pe-permanently...? Not temporay, as in you can make up for the lost lvl later? Did you stutter?
@@summerycast7936 I did not stutter. Skill's Energy Drain and if it hits, you lose 1 level permanently if a demon hits you with it. Only way to prevent it is by casting Tetraja.
13:30
The definition of Team Fortress 2
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. mods in a nutshell tho
It is very challenging. And it is also very rewarding. The concpet of this game is mind-blowing. I wish more games would dare to be crazy like this. Nocturne was my 3rd turn-based jrpg. I wanted to break my ps2. It took me months to finish.
My friend sent me here, and no it's not the dark souls of JRPGs Dark Souls is the Dark Souls of JRPGs. I seriously hate it when people compare any game to Dark Souls based on the concept of "difficulty" because difficulty in Dark Souls is subjective. there are bosses that people struggle on that others breeze through without a second thought.
Also Dark Souls is unique in it's method of story telling, that is what makes the game so beloved. It's sparse use of character dialogue, its use of unreliable narration, environmental details, limited cutscenes, enemy placement, item placement, flavor text. All of these concepts are puzzles pieces that when placed together tell a story, much like trying to verify historical records, places, and accounts to piece together history.
Difficulty does not make a game similar to Dark Souls.
Yakko reviewing SMT 3, I love you.
As for the elitism in the smt community i'd like to think it's a loud vocal minority and if anyone is genuinely interested in smt dont let those people stop you, after all I started with persona 5 and not gonna lie I think I prefer mainline smt at this point. I love both series of course but point is you won't know you like it if you don't try it.
yeah i didn't wanna sound like EVERY SMT fan shares that sentiment, and i'm interested in the series enough to keep trying some more games anyway
Funny. Every single SMT I have ever meet either online or offline just encourages people to play the series pointing out flaws where they are and advice where it is needed. I'd say the contrary, Persona fans I have meet come out as far more elitist, and in some small cases even misinformed, about their own games (specially anything before 3)
I watched the trailer and something just struck a cord with me. I bought SMT 4 on the 3Ds and I’m having a good time so far! My only problem is not knowing which game to play next!
@@keefdavies6956 id say apocalypse after 4 since it’s sort of a sequel, Strange Journey Redux is even more torturous than Nocturne, devil survivor 1 and 2 are amazing though, highly recommend
@Benji 64 It's a pretty loud group
I don't mock persona fans
I mock persona ""fans""
Also because I thought P5 was the best, then I got Nocturne on my ps2 and there was no going back
Also P5R is easy as sin which was a huge bummer especially after beating Nocturne
@Fanjanhong * Don't be facetious. He's talking about the most obnoxious people in the community who refuse to look at anything past Persona 5 and probably haven't even played it themselves.
@@Osakart most of said "fans" having come from super smash bros and probably dont even own a ps4
Very excited for Shin Megami Tensei 5 which will be my first SMT.
You should be, that game will be an absolute banger.
The "dark story" is never what drew me personally to smt. Honestly I think the stories are usually relatively barebones. Not bad but barebones.
What I love is the world. It's like an even weirder version of Alice in Wonder land. Everyone is weird an unhinged and nothing makes sense but it's kind of charming. You know sometimes you just gotta level up your magic so you can win a dance battle.
And I like that you just get thrown into that world to figure out for yourself rather than hand held through a ten hour tutorial that feels the need to explain every detail to you multiple times as if you were a child with severe head trauma. I will never forgive persona 5 for doing that. No other persona was that bad with their opening.
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I don’t hate Persona at all, it just feels to anime cliched.
Yeah that's my problem with Persona, I'm not into games are way too Clitche with the anime tropes
I feel Modern Persona is not what I got into the series for(since I grew up with Revelations Persona on the PS1). Mainline was more my style since it kept that mystery and atmosphere Persona lost in its transition to 3D
persona 3 did it right imo. accepting death the way they executed it was jus really enjoyable. p4 ehhh dont really like fakeout deaths. p5 too
@@thelel6591 P3 had a good message but bad writing(and really bland characters). P4 had a weaker message but a better set of characters. P5 is just kinda meh all around beyond gameplay being sorta fun if it wasn't mindlessly easy
Tbh P2 and P1 were the only games I really enjoyed, Not trying to sound like one of those people but the other games were just kinda boring to me
Persona: happy go lucky rpg dating game
Smt: lobotomy hospital that makes drugs out of said lobotomized brain
That's SMT IV reference my favorite SMT game so far
I feel like you would've done alot better if you started with a game like devil survivor. Its a much better bridge from persona to smt than the proverbial jump off a cliff that is nocturne
Ehh i think 4 is debatable a better start
Nocturne is my favorite SMT. Its the game I think about for years after randomly. Nothing has a world/atmosphere like Nocturne. Nothing. Lonely is a great description of it. It really feels like the apocalypse happened
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To put it simple
In persona you make friends
In nocturne you kill you're friends
I still don't understand people saying SMT is hard
Both SMT and Persona ain't hard at all if you get the mechanics
It's literally just Persona and SMT babies crying all the time lmao just fucking play the games and enjoy them man
I love Nocturne and grew up on it, but man is it a labor of love. I mean actual labor, it's actual work to get what you might love out of it. I feel like on a scale the Persona series is on one far end of the Mega-Ten umbrella, and SMT is on the far far opposite. I'd say that Digital Devil Saga kinda falls somewhere in the middle, likely leaning a bit more towards SMT because of it's gameplay. Nocturne is the kind of game where if you are made to play it and don't like games like it, it will turn you away from any games like it due to the work involved in getting ANYTHING out of it.
That being said, I'd put in that work every time.
I would like to hear your thoughts on the recently released Etrian Odyssey HD collection since it has SMT-related DLC included.
*Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series!
One of my fav youtubers making a video on one of my fav franchises lessgoo! I got smt3hd when it came out but haven't started yet. I want to know how you like smt4 when you finish it tho because that's the game that made me a fan of the series :D
ah good old SMT. Its interesting to look at all the different mainline and spinoff games to see what they took and adapted from one another. From the SMT5 trailer we got at E3 it looks like it draws a lot from Nocturne, with the protagonist alone in the world with their demons and probably persona stand man fused with for company. Maybe that's why they selected Nocturne for the remaster, on top of it being a cult classic fan favourite
1:25 "this is the boss you shall die now" - actual lyrics from boss battle music 🎶 💀 🎶
Pretty sure it says we'll sacrifice the son of heaven, but sure
am i the only one that doesn’t mind 30fps it’s a jrpg not an fps
Yeah I have no idea wtf people are talking about when they complain about a JRPG's framerate. At that point they're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
10:52....That's just most of the mainline games minus 4. Believe me Smt in terms of story isn't especially character driven. It cares more about it's world and themes rather than the individual characters which isn't a bad thing but I could see why some people would get bored.