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I Can't make up my mind so I have the 2022, 125XC, 2024 TE150, 2022 Beta 200 RR 2023 KX250X, 2023 250XCW 2023 CRF450RX Looking at dumping the Honda for a 390 RR Beta. My favorite of all of them I think is the Beta 200 Least is the Honda 450
Lol, he’s talking about me! I haven’t rode off-road in 25 years. Had a 1980 KDX with worn tires as a teen, beat the crap out of it and had very little problems. Bought a KLX300R this year. Suspension and fuel injection is nice but lacks 2-stroke fun I remember as a child.
You may want to reconsider your appraisal of 1970s enduro bikes. I bought a new 1971 Penton 125 ISDT- world class enduro bike. Later bought an Ossa Pioneer 250 1972 I believe. Raced enduros on both for years. Check them out. Japanese bikes were laughed at back the. Penton was made in Austria and Ossa was from Spain. Husky, Bultaco, all European bikes.
Great video thankyou. I am getting my first trail bike after 30 years of not riding off rode. I have only ridden 80cc 2 stroke motor cross. (great fun) I am only 5' 6" and weigh 85kgs. (187lbs) so was going for ttr230 but have since decided on KLX 300r which I will most likely put a lowering link on. Thanks again for the video, very helpful.
@@MotocrossHideout I sat on a TTR230 at the dealership and could only just touch the ground. The seat height is listed as 870mm. The 300r is 900mm which is less than the 230r at 925mm unless you get the s version in which case its 900mm. I figure I will get the 300r and see how I go then lower it if necessary. Thanks again for the video, there are so many different models its hard to navigate through them all, your vid helped. Cheers
Prices are comming down on bikes. I just picked up a KTM EXC 200, '03 model for $2k. 15 hours on new top end and bottom end, and well maintained, upgraded suspension, barely scratched up, and already has a gnarly pipe. It doesn't have modern features like electric start, but 200 2t's are easy enough to kick over that I'm not too worried. There are gems out there for sure, wish i could have picked up an e-start xc-w 200, but saving 2-3 grand seemed like a smarter idea.
Gotcha. Just curious, is there a specific reason for not wanting a Beta? The next upgrade would probably be a YZ125X - it's a little bit tall at your height, but is very light and good for enduro/trails if you want a 2-stroke. Any 250cc and bigger 4-stroke enduro bike isn't going to feel much lighter than your 230 on the trails.
Good question. I'd consider it a trail bike, similar to the newer CRF250F or KLX300R. The engine is solid with great torque and is very reliable. The biggest complaints are usually: it's kind of heavy (especially if you're a smaller/weaker rider), and it doesn't have electric start, which can make it hard to restart when it's hot or on the side of a hill. If it got E-start, EFI, and stayed the same weight, it would be an awesome trail bike for bigger/taller riders.
What bike do you think would be best for me? I ride mostly cross country terrain but ride hard enduro occasionally. I’ve been looking at the ktm125xc and xcw, or the Yamaha yz125x. I also considered the kx250x and the yz250fx. I’m 5’5 as well.
What would you recommend for someone who's 6'7 210 pounds? I want the 300rr but I sat on a xtrainer and it felt very small. Wasn't sure if the 300rr is much bigger or?
The KLX300R to 300cc 2 stroke will be a big jump in power. Sizewise, it's maybe a couple inches taller seat height. Most bikes are made for people 5'10"-6'0" tall, so you may need taller seat/slightly taller bars, and footpegs lowered/moved back on any bike if you want to be comfortable. You just need to be aware that drastic changes can affect your body position while riding, so you don't want the mods to move you "back" on the bike or else your weight will not be balanced, if that makes sense.
While it's tame compared to a full enduro 300, I don't recommend it to a complete beginner that's never ridden before. They still have a lot of power when you twist the throttle wide open. For someone that is comfortable riding off-road and wants their first enduro bike for more technical trail riding, then yes it's a great bike! I wish they updated to EFI.
Hey Caleb, thanks for your feedback. What would have made it easier to follow? Here's my article if you'd prefer to read instead: motocrosshideout.com/best-enduro-motorcycle/
Forgot about TM... I'm used to them only have motocross bikes, but apparently they already have FI 2-strokes! I'm not seeing a lot of info/specs on their website though.
Seriously?? I've heard it said that way and never knew for sure, but I guess I'm not surprised. I might have a hard to changing, but I do have some swedish in me, haha.
I believe in 2024, KTM has given the XC's and XC-W's the same transmissions. For desert, until this year, you would have wanted the XC-W because XC's top out at lower speeds. XC for GNCC type stuff, XC-W for enduro or desert. Again, in 2024, transmissions are the same though.
Very interesting - thanks for sharing, Tom! Just checked out Jeff Slaven's video on the 2024 transmissions here: ua-cam.com/video/orALruvjGEw/v-deo.htmlsi=pLe8cwFYVD62OMgU You're also correct on the older XCW for top-speed - for some reason I knew that it's better for desert high-speed riding, but I got that mixed up in my brain with just "racing" with the close-ratio trans. Thanks!
Ha, yeah there are quite a few bikes that I missed but the video would've been longer. With that said, here in the U.S. Husqvarna doesn't currently sell an FE250, so that's one reason why I didn't include it.
@MotocrossHideout 😂 I'm just Bustin your chops, this is a great video.. Don't know why they stopped selling it here. I live in oregon and have a FE250, with all the Mods it easily outperforms the Fe350 in stock form and it's lighter at around 230lbs currently.
I don't understand the e start generation. If somebody couldn't start your bike you knew they had no business being on it. Maybe 1 dude out of 50,000 can start my BRP. Now I see people afraid to push start bikes after their button quit working. They might "hurt" it they say.. Fragile, they are getting very very fragile.
I understand your point Brent, but I kinda see it like comparing hand crank to electric start cars. It's so much more convenient, but as you say, anyone can do it... I don't mind kicking over a 450 (or 650), but why would I if I have a 'magic button'? 😆
@@MotocrossHideout you're missing my point. It once was you were responsible for getting yourself out of a situation. Now everybody has a melt down once electricity fails. No phone, no gps, no e start. No go. It's a different, softer, less capable crowd. We had paper maps, intelligence and muscle. Now it just takes money.
Some of the terrain these bikes are designed for are two sketchy and dangerous to be kickstarting your bike on. The last thing you want to do is kick start your bike when you stop to assess your next route down or cross something when you're on the lip of a hill where it's 50 ft slope down on your right and 60 ft slope down on your left where you really have no room to put your foot down and kick start your bike or when you stall somewhere unexpected. We're not talking about MX tracks here or regular dirt trails.
Hehe has a confused with not knowing how to Kickstart your bike when it's more about not being able to Kickstart your bike when you're on top of a mountain assessing your next route or when you stole an unexpected spot that is dangerous and the last thing you want to do is kick start your bike because you can't get the proper footing down. He seems to think all terrain is the terrain he rides.
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I’m 5’2 what’s a good enduro bike for my height
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Perfectly categorized. I'm sick of these types of videos only showing the new bikes. Good job.
Yeah, not everyone can afford a new bike, and there are plenty of excellent "old" bikes - thanks for watching and sharing, VJ!
I Can't make up my mind so I have the 2022, 125XC, 2024 TE150, 2022 Beta 200 RR 2023 KX250X, 2023 250XCW 2023 CRF450RX Looking at dumping the Honda for a 390 RR Beta. My favorite of all of them I think is the Beta 200 Least is the Honda 450
Lol, he’s talking about me! I haven’t rode off-road in 25 years. Had a 1980 KDX with worn tires as a teen, beat the crap out of it and had very little problems. Bought a KLX300R this year. Suspension and fuel injection is nice but lacks 2-stroke fun I remember as a child.
Ha, thanks for watching, Eric!
You may want to reconsider your appraisal of 1970s enduro bikes.
I bought a new 1971 Penton 125 ISDT- world class enduro bike. Later bought an Ossa Pioneer 250 1972 I believe. Raced enduros on both for years.
Check them out. Japanese bikes were laughed at back the. Penton was made in Austria and Ossa was from Spain. Husky, Bultaco, all European bikes.
Great video thankyou. I am getting my first trail bike after 30 years of not riding off rode. I have only ridden 80cc 2 stroke motor cross. (great fun) I am only 5' 6" and weigh 85kgs. (187lbs) so was going for ttr230 but have since decided on KLX 300r which I will most likely put a lowering link on. Thanks again for the video, very helpful.
Both are great trail bikes. I'm 5'6" and can fit on a klx300r without lowering.
@@MotocrossHideout I sat on a TTR230 at the dealership and could only just touch the ground. The seat height is listed as 870mm. The 300r is 900mm which is less than the 230r at 925mm unless you get the s version in which case its 900mm. I figure I will get the 300r and see how I go then lower it if necessary. Thanks again for the video, there are so many different models its hard to navigate through them all, your vid helped. Cheers
Excellent recommendationsespecially the recommendations for Beginners :).
Love my 2024 KTM 250 xcf.
Prices are comming down on bikes. I just picked up a KTM EXC 200, '03 model for $2k. 15 hours on new top end and bottom end, and well maintained, upgraded suspension, barely scratched up, and already has a gnarly pipe. It doesn't have modern features like electric start, but 200 2t's are easy enough to kick over that I'm not too worried.
There are gems out there for sure, wish i could have picked up an e-start xc-w 200, but saving 2-3 grand seemed like a smarter idea.
Nice! I believe the pre '08 200s had the slightly smaller frame, which is nice if you want a lower seat height (for us vertically challenged).
I started off on a crf125 and now currently on a klx230r wanting to get something lighter and more agile for the trails any suggestions?
Those are great bikes to start on! What kind of riding will you be doing and how tall are you, Byron?
@@MotocrossHideout trail riding and light enduro I'm about 5'6
Okay, have you considered the Beta XTrainer? I have an article on it here: motocrosshideout.com/beta-xtrainer-300/
@MotocrossHideout yes I have . Definitely an option but any recommendations from the 3 main Japanese brands ?
Gotcha. Just curious, is there a specific reason for not wanting a Beta?
The next upgrade would probably be a YZ125X - it's a little bit tall at your height, but is very light and good for enduro/trails if you want a 2-stroke.
Any 250cc and bigger 4-stroke enduro bike isn't going to feel much lighter than your 230 on the trails.
Yamaha also has a 250 and 450 model called there yzfx models
You forgot about the Yamaha 4 stroke cross country bikes. YZ250FX and the YZ450FX.
Yep, I realized that (and a handful of other bikes I missed) after I posted it. Thanks for sharing, Bob!
Curious how you think the Honda xr 400 holds up, and what category you’d label it
Good question. I'd consider it a trail bike, similar to the newer CRF250F or KLX300R. The engine is solid with great torque and is very reliable.
The biggest complaints are usually: it's kind of heavy (especially if you're a smaller/weaker rider), and it doesn't have electric start, which can make it hard to restart when it's hot or on the side of a hill.
If it got E-start, EFI, and stayed the same weight, it would be an awesome trail bike for bigger/taller riders.
What bike do you think would be best for me? I ride mostly cross country terrain but ride hard enduro occasionally. I’ve been looking at the ktm125xc and xcw, or the Yamaha yz125x. I also considered the kx250x and the yz250fx. I’m 5’5 as well.
Will this be your first dirt bike?
I went offroad w my Moto Guzzi V7III, didn't end well🤕
What would you recommend for someone who's 6'7 210 pounds? I want the 300rr but I sat on a xtrainer and it felt very small. Wasn't sure if the 300rr is much bigger or?
Forgot to mention that I own at klx300r already and want to upgrade to something lighter and more peppy. A 2 stroke of some kind basically
The KLX300R to 300cc 2 stroke will be a big jump in power. Sizewise, it's maybe a couple inches taller seat height. Most bikes are made for people 5'10"-6'0" tall, so you may need taller seat/slightly taller bars, and footpegs lowered/moved back on any bike if you want to be comfortable.
You just need to be aware that drastic changes can affect your body position while riding, so you don't want the mods to move you "back" on the bike or else your weight will not be balanced, if that makes sense.
What about the KTM 250 Freeride for a beginner? I think that it has the perfect height!
Yep, that's a good bike for a novice - they don't sell the 250 gas version here in the states anymore though; just the electric version now.
Which is best to climb mountain
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Helicopter.
Beta xtrainer 300 2 stroke for best beginner
While it's tame compared to a full enduro 300, I don't recommend it to a complete beginner that's never ridden before. They still have a lot of power when you twist the throttle wide open. For someone that is comfortable riding off-road and wants their first enduro bike for more technical trail riding, then yes it's a great bike! I wish they updated to EFI.
A little hard to follow. I feel like you're just naming off bikes
Hey Caleb, thanks for your feedback. What would have made it easier to follow?
Here's my article if you'd prefer to read instead: motocrosshideout.com/best-enduro-motorcycle/
TM300 EN for the win! 💣
Forgot about TM... I'm used to them only have motocross bikes, but apparently they already have FI 2-strokes! I'm not seeing a lot of info/specs on their website though.
Still no US distributor
The Husky is pronounced 'hoosk·vaar·nuh'. 😁 I'm Swedish-American and lived over there for a while.
Seriously?? I've heard it said that way and never knew for sure, but I guess I'm not surprised. I might have a hard to changing, but I do have some swedish in me, haha.
I am 2 m tall which is best for me?
Aside from the bikes for short riders/beginners, they're all about the same size.
I believe in 2024, KTM has given the XC's and XC-W's the same transmissions. For desert, until this year, you would have wanted the XC-W because XC's top out at lower speeds. XC for GNCC type stuff, XC-W for enduro or desert. Again, in 2024, transmissions are the same though.
Very interesting - thanks for sharing, Tom! Just checked out Jeff Slaven's video on the 2024 transmissions here: ua-cam.com/video/orALruvjGEw/v-deo.htmlsi=pLe8cwFYVD62OMgU
You're also correct on the older XCW for top-speed - for some reason I knew that it's better for desert high-speed riding, but I got that mixed up in my brain with just "racing" with the close-ratio trans. Thanks!
Can you trail/enduro KTM 150 sx?
Yes, it just won't be quite as comfortable/easy to ride as say the 150 XCW model, although some mods can be done.
Team Beta for life!!
Not a single mention of the husqvarna FE250. the lightest of the duel sport enduro's. The disrespect
Ha, yeah there are quite a few bikes that I missed but the video would've been longer.
With that said, here in the U.S. Husqvarna doesn't currently sell an FE250, so that's one reason why I didn't include it.
@MotocrossHideout 😂 I'm just Bustin your chops, this is a great video.. Don't know why they stopped selling it here. I live in oregon and have a FE250, with all the Mods it easily outperforms the Fe350 in stock form and it's lighter at around 230lbs currently.
I don't understand the e start generation. If somebody couldn't start your bike you knew they had no business being on it. Maybe 1 dude out of 50,000 can start my BRP. Now I see people afraid to push start bikes after their button quit working. They might "hurt" it they say.. Fragile, they are getting very very fragile.
I understand your point Brent, but I kinda see it like comparing hand crank to electric start cars. It's so much more convenient, but as you say, anyone can do it...
I don't mind kicking over a 450 (or 650), but why would I if I have a 'magic button'? 😆
@@MotocrossHideout you're missing my point. It once was you were responsible for getting yourself out of a situation. Now everybody has a melt down once electricity fails. No phone, no gps, no e start. No go. It's a different, softer, less capable crowd. We had paper maps, intelligence and muscle. Now it just takes money.
Some of the terrain these bikes are designed for are two sketchy and dangerous to be kickstarting your bike on. The last thing you want to do is kick start your bike when you stop to assess your next route down or cross something when you're on the lip of a hill where it's 50 ft slope down on your right and 60 ft slope down on your left where you really have no room to put your foot down and kick start your bike or when you stall somewhere unexpected. We're not talking about MX tracks here or regular dirt trails.
Hehe has a confused with not knowing how to Kickstart your bike when it's more about not being able to Kickstart your bike when you're on top of a mountain assessing your next route or when you stole an unexpected spot that is dangerous and the last thing you want to do is kick start your bike because you can't get the proper footing down. He seems to think all terrain is the terrain he rides.
Everything was better back in the day, right? Yeah, I get it - we're soft. But it doesn't seem to be changing any time soon...
so basically i need 12k
Ha, what do you need that for?
Nah just buy a lightly used one for half price