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The machine absolutely doesn’t make the rider, the rider will make the machine. There are a few adjustments in saying that. I am 60, been riding these 2 strokes for at least 25 years+, my friend who is 58, competes in almost “all” the hare and hound competitions here on Oahu Hawaii. He absolutely destroys all the euro 300cc enduro bikes on his 05 YAMAHA YZ125 almost stock besides his skid plate. Itisn’t the machine, it’s the rider with a lot of saddle time. Not only that it’s also parts availability, many but these Porche euro dirt bikes at $12,000-$15,000, lol! With a 2-8 months part a
The machine absolutely doesn’t make the rider, the rider will make the machine. There are a few adjustments in saying that. I am 60, been riding these 2 strokes for at least 25 years+, my friend who is 58, competes in almost “all” the hare and hound competitions here on Oahu Hawaii. He absolutely destroys all the euro 300cc enduro bikes on his 05 YAMAHA YZ125 almost stock besides his skid plate. Itisn’t the machine, it’s the rider with a lot of saddle time. Not only that it’s also parts availability, many buy these Porche euro dirt bikes at $12,000-$15,000, lol! With a 2-8 months part availability. lol! That’s Terrible! lol! Back to the tried and true YZ250 from 99-2024. Beat bikes ever, just read the bike mags. In the right hands down, better.
I own 4 YZs 3 are 250s , the other one is a 144. To me these are one of greatest dirt bikes. I’m saying that, because it’s way easier to tune down a powerful bike than it is to boost more power out of not so powerful bike. The YZ has been classed as the best overall dirt bikes by all the dirt bike magazines. One of the best things about the YZ is the fact that they have the “biggest” parts availability! No other bike comes close!! All those Euro bikes are great, however, they cost $$$ and weigh considerably more (electric start, battery for lights, ext.) not to mention if your bike is 4-5 years old, the parts might not be available or your bike so will be in the garage for a long time before parts are available. NO THANKS!! I love my 02 YZ250, 05 YZ250, 14 YZ250, 07 YZ144. So glad I own them parts aren’t a problem…..at all!
I built my 02 Honda CR250R into a trail machine. Large Clark gas tank. Huge flywheel weight. Stator / headlight. 18” rear with trials tire. And a big rear sprocket. I bought the CR in ‘02 when it was brand new and I was a much younger man. Over the years I have been able to adapt to my new riding needs. Between the mods and tons of seat time, I’m able to make up for many of its shortcomings. But those new Husky and KTM 250’s with the EFI, and electric start have been calling my name. 😅
I've got a Beta XTrainer, have ridden some other Betas (just not the 250) and ride with a bunch of other guys on Betas. There's really not much difference between the RR and Race Edition models. The suspension is the biggest difference, the RR models have open cartridge Sachs suspension and the Race Editions having closed cartridge KYB suspension. The RR models have oil injection, the Race Editions require pre-mix. There's some trick parts on the Race Edition models like billet foot pegs. I think the Race Edition engines have polished ports, but there's no difference with the gearing between respective RR and Race Edition models, that I know of. The XTrainer is about 7/8 size compared to any of the RR models. There's practically no difference in the frame of the 200RR and 300RR; they're both full sized dirt bikes. So if size in an issue, the XTrainer is probably a better option than the 200, even with the extra 100cc. The XTrainer is tuned in such a way that the power delivery is extremely linear. The 200 requires the rider to be in the perfect gear while the XTrainer can be put in a gear and left there for most trail riding. You can just ride it and focus on controlling the bike, picking the right line, and all that. So, I'd put a beginner on the XTrainer before putting them on the 200RR or 200 Race Edition. I'd go so far as saying the XTrainer is just as easy to ride as the CRF250F, but it's lighter and has more upgrade potential as the skills grow. It's just a pipe and power valve adjustment away from having the power of the 300RR. The two bikes I'd recommend for older teens or young adults to start with would be the CRF250F or the XTrainer. If they have any visions of getting into super technical stuff, I'd recommend the XTrainer. If not, the CRF250F is what I'd recommend.
I'm 60 and have had a few different dirt bikes. My skill level is probably on the better end of the beginner category. I just got an XTrainer and so far it seems great. I'm 5'11" and 165 pounds, and this bike's size gives me more confidence. There have been a few times where I'm pretty sure I would have dropped my previous YZ250 but kept the Beta up. The electric start is awesome, and even cold the bike starts instantly. My plan is to do some enduro/trail rides and I think this is the right bike. So far all my riding has been in the rain mode which is plenty of power for me.
This is an absolutely awesome video! You really did the homework for us. I'm a 49 year rider and you teach me things that I never knew. This video really clears the fog of buying a bike
i feel like u should’ve categorized it and said any 125-250 mx 2 stroke instead of cr125 and cr250, all the other brands have mx gearing and mx suspension as well
My dad sold my '84 Suzuki PE 175 whilst I was working out of the province.My dad never rode this machine ever and sold it to another older man who did not know what he bought. First ride near the guy's cottage he flipped it with no helmet, boots gloves ect. Dude did not know about warming it up. Hospital for him
Hey man love videos , im a beginner whos never had a dirt bike , im looking to get a kx 85 do you think this a good bike to start on ? Im not racing just looking to cruise with my buddies
Hey Nathan, thanks for watching! The KX85, as you probably know, is a motocross race bike, so the power is going to be snappy and it will also require more maintenance. If you're using proper techniques and ride within your comfort zone, then you might be able to handle it just fine, but I still recommend a trail bike (such as a CRF150F or KLX140L) because it's easier to ride and won't need as much maintenance.
@MotocrossHideout right on thanks man I think you're right it's just such a hard decision on wich one would be more fun , if the 2 stroke has too much power for me I wouldn't be using it to its full potential u know what I mean lol
Also avoid the KX125. Great bike just not trail friendly..My son has the Husky TE150 and its an excellent bike but remember it is little more money to own and operate.We just did the 80 hour mantanace on it about $300 and that was not including the top end it was done at 50 hours $250
uh oh we got an issue haha, I got an 02 kx125 to trail cuz im newish to the sport, but im planning to sell her soon n get something else cuz shes old n not the prettiest. im just looking for something that can be the perfect all around bike, mostly trail tho.
Hey, I'm 6 foot and 220-pound fit, I have some experience riding my buddy's KTM 350(4 hours of ride time). Do you think a KTM 250/300 XCW is too much for a beginner?
It depends on the riding you'll be doing, but even at your size I wouldn't recommend it if you're a beginner. Nobody needs that much power riding off-road, especially if you're doing single-track trails. Can you handle it? Probably. But you'd have more confidence and greatly reduce your risk of crashing and getting hurt if you started on a "slower" bike, such as the CRF250F or KLX300R.
@@MotocrossHideout I live in central Texas we have a lot of rocky slow single track, there are also a lot on nice single track but my end goal is to get into enduro. Also, I was wondering if the power is too much for me have you ever had any luck with G2 throttle tamers? I heard that they’re pretty good.
Okay, gotcha. I hear this all the time and it's usually because people don't want to "outgrow" their first bike in the first year, which is totally understandable. If that's the case, you should watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/ui1-9IJHQnY/v-deo.html As far as the G2 throttle tamer, yes, it can help smooth out low-end power, but it's really just a "band-aid" fix and will slow down your trail riding skills in the beginning. I hear about guys (and girls) all the time buying a 250, 300, or 350 and then "restricting" it with a throttle tamer or other mods but then they still end up being intimidated by "whiskey throttle". The real problem? They haven't learned the basic techniques of trail riding a dirt bike. Does that make sense?
@@MotocrossHideout yeah, I do completely understand to where you will just always be scared of the bike and never ride with confidence but I do think gear plays a factor to this as my buddies told me you were eventually fall no matter what bike you’re riding. However with a bigger bike the crash will be harder because you can whiskey throttle straight to a tree😂. I want to get into riding dirt bikes the right way. I have bought some really top-of-the-line gear to make sure that I don’t injure myself too bad I got sg12 motocross boots, shoei helmet, knee braces and a chest protector, with good rib protection. Also, I am a college student and I don’t feel like buying another bike down the road, my budget is around 3 to 4 grand maybe I’ll just wait for a nice used beta X trainer or just get a WR 250f. I’ll see whatever comes up first. Thanks for sharing your insight on this I really do appreciate the detailed comments!
You're welcome - I'm glad you want to start out the right way! That's smart to buy quality gear :) I hate getting hurt! 😅 Yes, you can definitely crash on any bike, but the best way to prevent it is by learning how to properly ride, which is exactly what I coach people on to prevent common crashes. If you were a close friend, and absolutely had to get an enduro bike, I'd much rather see you on an Xtrainer than a KTM 250/300. 😉
I have a question. I want good enduro bike that is street legel but i dont know what should i get should i get 125 with ~40hp or should i get 250-300 or should i get bike like honda dominator 650 i want to go trail riding and off road like i want to go on mountains with my friends. So my question is what should i get?
If you're riding single-track trails in the mountains, I personally would lean towards a smaller/lighter bike because they're going to be easier to handle.
@@MotocrossHideout Well i dont know it would be like in forest and all that so i think it would be better to go for smaller and 2t. One more question is how do 125cc engines meke 40hp its feels so much. Also what do you think about honda mtx 125 15hp should i buy that?
It's because they are tuned for high RPM power and have very little low-end torque, making it feel "snappy" and harder to ride if you're just cruising around. I don't know much about the MTX 125, but it looks to be more durable/reliable and easier to ride if you're just a casual rider.
If you are a newbie, get something with a starter. It's worth the money. Actually, you should be getting a DRZ or something like it. No it won't win a race against a race bike but it will take a beating and just keep trucking. These new bikes break easier, they suck lots of gas and take tons of maintenance, which is expensive and time consuming. They are funner to ride but you pay a serious premium for it. Sorta like having a girlfriend who is a ten vice a 6.
I don't have personal experience with them, but they're getting more popular. Haven't heard anything terrible about them. Megs Braap has one: ua-cam.com/video/L3USJznwLL4/v-deo.html
@@MotocrossHideout I’ve got a 2024 KTM350XW-F now and I’m looking to get a a 2nd bike. Not looking to spend another 12K and also not looking to buy used. Aka someone else’s problem.
I see. Well, if you have a dealer near you or you know you can get replacement parts for years to come and just know that the quality/performance might not be comparable to your KTM, it sounds like it could be a good 2nd bike. That's just my opinion, but again, I haven't owned or ridden a GPX.
Hry Ethan, the wr250f would be a good choice if you can handle the taller seat height and don't mind having less torque right above idle (2000-4000 RPM).
@@EthanLyde It will be perfect then. I got the new model expecting it to be the same formula as the traditional WRf, but now it's just a YZF. It's amazing, but a race bike.
if you an amateur just buy a XR250 until you're capable and only then should you buy a two stroke, trust me you will enjoy your time riding so such more on a 4 stroke
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If there's ONE THING you want your 2-stroke trail bike to have, what would it be?
STOP wasting time trying to improve your skills - learn how to build your confidence 5X faster on the trails to prevent crashes [FREE training] - motocrosshideout.com/workshop/
The machine absolutely doesn’t make the rider, the rider will make the machine. There are a few adjustments in saying that.
I am 60, been riding these 2 strokes for at least 25 years+, my friend who is 58, competes in almost “all” the hare and hound competitions here on Oahu Hawaii.
He absolutely destroys all the euro 300cc enduro bikes on his 05 YAMAHA YZ125 almost stock besides his skid plate. Itisn’t the machine, it’s the rider with a lot of saddle time. Not only that it’s also parts availability, many but these Porche euro dirt bikes at $12,000-$15,000, lol! With a 2-8 months part a
The machine absolutely doesn’t make the rider, the rider will make the machine. There are a few adjustments in saying that.
I am 60, been riding these 2 strokes for at least 25 years+, my friend who is 58, competes in almost “all” the hare and hound competitions here on Oahu Hawaii.
He absolutely destroys all the euro 300cc enduro bikes on his 05 YAMAHA YZ125 almost stock besides his skid plate. Itisn’t the machine, it’s the rider with a lot of saddle time. Not only that it’s also parts availability, many buy these Porche euro dirt bikes at $12,000-$15,000, lol! With a 2-8 months part availability. lol! That’s Terrible! lol! Back to the tried and true YZ250 from 99-2024. Beat bikes ever, just read the bike mags. In the right hands down, better.
I own 4 YZs 3 are 250s , the other one is a 144. To me these are one of greatest dirt bikes. I’m saying that, because it’s way easier to tune down a powerful bike than it is to boost more power out of not so powerful bike. The YZ has been classed as the best overall dirt bikes by all the dirt bike magazines. One of the best things about the YZ is the fact that they have the “biggest” parts availability! No other bike comes close!! All those Euro bikes are great, however, they cost $$$ and weigh considerably more (electric start, battery for lights, ext.) not to mention if your bike is 4-5 years old, the parts might not be available or your bike so will be in the garage for a long time before parts are available. NO THANKS!! I love my 02 YZ250, 05 YZ250, 14 YZ250, 07 YZ144. So glad I own them parts aren’t a problem…..at all!
Agreed
I built my 02 Honda CR250R into a trail machine.
Large Clark gas tank.
Huge flywheel weight.
Stator / headlight.
18” rear with trials tire.
And a big rear sprocket.
I bought the CR in ‘02 when it was brand new and I was a much younger man.
Over the years I have been able to adapt to my new riding needs.
Between the mods and tons of seat time, I’m able to make up for many of its shortcomings. But those new Husky and KTM 250’s with the EFI, and electric start have been calling my name. 😅
I've got a Beta XTrainer, have ridden some other Betas (just not the 250) and ride with a bunch of other guys on Betas. There's really not much difference between the RR and Race Edition models. The suspension is the biggest difference, the RR models have open cartridge Sachs suspension and the Race Editions having closed cartridge KYB suspension. The RR models have oil injection, the Race Editions require pre-mix. There's some trick parts on the Race Edition models like billet foot pegs. I think the Race Edition engines have polished ports, but there's no difference with the gearing between respective RR and Race Edition models, that I know of.
The XTrainer is about 7/8 size compared to any of the RR models. There's practically no difference in the frame of the 200RR and 300RR; they're both full sized dirt bikes. So if size in an issue, the XTrainer is probably a better option than the 200, even with the extra 100cc. The XTrainer is tuned in such a way that the power delivery is extremely linear. The 200 requires the rider to be in the perfect gear while the XTrainer can be put in a gear and left there for most trail riding. You can just ride it and focus on controlling the bike, picking the right line, and all that. So, I'd put a beginner on the XTrainer before putting them on the 200RR or 200 Race Edition. I'd go so far as saying the XTrainer is just as easy to ride as the CRF250F, but it's lighter and has more upgrade potential as the skills grow. It's just a pipe and power valve adjustment away from having the power of the 300RR. The two bikes I'd recommend for older teens or young adults to start with would be the CRF250F or the XTrainer. If they have any visions of getting into super technical stuff, I'd recommend the XTrainer. If not, the CRF250F is what I'd recommend.
Thanks for sharing those extra details on the Beta's, J!
I'm 60 and have had a few different dirt bikes. My skill level is probably on the better end of the beginner category. I just got an XTrainer and so far it seems great. I'm 5'11" and 165 pounds, and this bike's size gives me more confidence. There have been a few times where I'm pretty sure I would have dropped my previous YZ250 but kept the Beta up. The electric start is awesome, and even cold the bike starts instantly. My plan is to do some enduro/trail rides and I think this is the right bike. So far all my riding has been in the rain mode which is plenty of power for me.
This is an absolutely awesome video! You really did the homework for us. I'm a 49 year rider and you teach me things that I never knew. This video really clears the fog of buying a bike
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! I appreciate your encouragement :)
Excellent description Thank you 👌👍👋💯
i feel like u should’ve categorized it and said any 125-250 mx 2 stroke instead of cr125 and cr250, all the other brands have mx gearing and mx suspension as well
All the kdx bikes were great going all the way back to the late 70s. PE s as well.
I own 98yz250, 01yz225,
05 wr450 and 22 beta 300rr.
I love yz's and beat is a great bike too.
YZ225? Wow, that's unique! ;)
I loved my 01 cr125 on the log roads of VT.
My 2010 150sx was amazing on the trails
The '84 Yamaha IT 490 is a beast of a cross country machine. Once again you need to be 6'3 220 lb man to handle this.
My dad sold my '84 Suzuki PE 175 whilst I was working out of the province.My dad never rode this machine ever and sold it to another older man who did not know what he bought. First ride near the guy's cottage he flipped it with no helmet, boots gloves ect. Dude did not know about warming it up. Hospital for him
Yz125x - 250x and you’ll be having the best time of your life
I am 5'9" 165 lbs. The 500cc Enduro bikes are too big for me in tight areas. 250 or 300 would suit me.
Even a 125 would be good for you bro
Hey man love videos , im a beginner whos never had a dirt bike , im looking to get a kx 85 do you think this a good bike to start on ? Im not racing just looking to cruise with my buddies
Hey Nathan, thanks for watching! The KX85, as you probably know, is a motocross race bike, so the power is going to be snappy and it will also require more maintenance. If you're using proper techniques and ride within your comfort zone, then you might be able to handle it just fine, but I still recommend a trail bike (such as a CRF150F or KLX140L) because it's easier to ride and won't need as much maintenance.
@MotocrossHideout right on thanks man I think you're right it's just such a hard decision on wich one would be more fun , if the 2 stroke has too much power for me I wouldn't be using it to its full potential u know what I mean lol
A running bike is better than no bike ;)
@MotocrossHideout you are very right , I think I'm going to buy the 140 seems like a lot of fun and reliable
That's just how I see it, especially if you've never owned a dirt bike before. Here's my review on the KLX140: ua-cam.com/video/XArCkCWP5i0/v-deo.html
Also avoid the KX125. Great bike just not trail friendly..My son has the Husky TE150 and its an excellent bike but remember it is little more money to own and operate.We just did the 80 hour mantanace on it about $300 and that was not including the top end it was done at 50 hours $250
Yeah, I've tried trail riding with YZ125's before... Fun bikes, just not as enjoyable on single-track trails.
uh oh we got an issue haha, I got an 02 kx125 to trail cuz im newish to the sport, but im planning to sell her soon n get something else cuz shes old n not the prettiest. im just looking for something that can be the perfect all around bike, mostly trail tho.
Hey, I'm 6 foot and 220-pound fit, I have some experience riding my buddy's KTM 350(4 hours of ride time). Do you think a KTM 250/300 XCW is too much for a beginner?
It depends on the riding you'll be doing, but even at your size I wouldn't recommend it if you're a beginner. Nobody needs that much power riding off-road, especially if you're doing single-track trails.
Can you handle it? Probably. But you'd have more confidence and greatly reduce your risk of crashing and getting hurt if you started on a "slower" bike, such as the CRF250F or KLX300R.
@@MotocrossHideout I live in central Texas we have a lot of rocky slow single track, there are also a lot on nice single track but my end goal is to get into enduro.
Also, I was wondering if the power is too much for me have you ever had any luck with G2 throttle tamers? I heard that they’re pretty good.
Okay, gotcha. I hear this all the time and it's usually because people don't want to "outgrow" their first bike in the first year, which is totally understandable. If that's the case, you should watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/ui1-9IJHQnY/v-deo.html
As far as the G2 throttle tamer, yes, it can help smooth out low-end power, but it's really just a "band-aid" fix and will slow down your trail riding skills in the beginning. I hear about guys (and girls) all the time buying a 250, 300, or 350 and then "restricting" it with a throttle tamer or other mods but then they still end up being intimidated by "whiskey throttle".
The real problem? They haven't learned the basic techniques of trail riding a dirt bike.
Does that make sense?
@@MotocrossHideout yeah, I do completely understand to where you will just always be scared of the bike and never ride with confidence but I do think gear plays a factor to this as my buddies told me you were eventually fall no matter what bike you’re riding. However with a bigger bike the crash will be harder because you can whiskey throttle straight to a tree😂. I want to get into riding dirt bikes the right way. I have bought some really top-of-the-line gear to make sure that I don’t injure myself too bad I got sg12 motocross boots, shoei helmet, knee braces and a chest protector, with good rib protection.
Also, I am a college student and I don’t feel like buying another bike down the road, my budget is around 3 to 4 grand maybe I’ll just wait for a nice used beta X trainer or just get a WR 250f. I’ll see whatever comes up first. Thanks for sharing your insight on this I really do appreciate the detailed comments!
You're welcome - I'm glad you want to start out the right way! That's smart to buy quality gear :)
I hate getting hurt! 😅
Yes, you can definitely crash on any bike, but the best way to prevent it is by learning how to properly ride, which is exactly what I coach people on to prevent common crashes.
If you were a close friend, and absolutely had to get an enduro bike, I'd much rather see you on an Xtrainer than a KTM 250/300. 😉
I have a question. I want good enduro bike that is street legel but i dont know what should i get should i get 125 with ~40hp or should i get 250-300 or should i get bike like honda dominator 650 i want to go trail riding and off road like i want to go on mountains with my friends. So my question is what should i get?
If you're riding single-track trails in the mountains, I personally would lean towards a smaller/lighter bike because they're going to be easier to handle.
@@MotocrossHideout Well i dont know it would be like in forest and all that so i think it would be better to go for smaller and 2t. One more question is how do 125cc engines meke 40hp its feels so much. Also what do you think about honda mtx 125 15hp should i buy that?
It's because they are tuned for high RPM power and have very little low-end torque, making it feel "snappy" and harder to ride if you're just cruising around. I don't know much about the MTX 125, but it looks to be more durable/reliable and easier to ride if you're just a casual rider.
If you are a newbie, get something with a starter. It's worth the money. Actually, you should be getting a DRZ or something like it. No it won't win a race against a race bike but it will take a beating and just keep trucking. These new bikes break easier, they suck lots of gas and take tons of maintenance, which is expensive and time consuming. They are funner to ride but you pay a serious premium for it. Sorta like having a girlfriend who is a ten vice a 6.
What are your thoughts on the GPX 300s?
I don't have personal experience with them, but they're getting more popular. Haven't heard anything terrible about them. Megs Braap has one: ua-cam.com/video/L3USJznwLL4/v-deo.html
@@MotocrossHideout yeah, I saw that video but I’m sure she gets paid by GPX and got that bike for free.
Gotcha. What's your reason for considering the GPX versus a Euro 300?
@@MotocrossHideout I’ve got a 2024 KTM350XW-F now and I’m looking to get a a 2nd bike. Not looking to spend another 12K and also not looking to buy used. Aka someone else’s problem.
I see. Well, if you have a dealer near you or you know you can get replacement parts for years to come and just know that the quality/performance might not be comparable to your KTM, it sounds like it could be a good 2nd bike. That's just my opinion, but again, I haven't owned or ridden a GPX.
Nice
Ive been riding a yamaha ttr 225. Its been great. Im out growing it in skill, would a yamaha wr 250 be a good next step?
Hry Ethan, the wr250f would be a good choice if you can handle the taller seat height and don't mind having less torque right above idle (2000-4000 RPM).
If you are talking about a new one it's an amazing package but it's a motocross bike. No longer the trail bike it used to be.
@@Paul-gu2lv I would probably get an old one from the 2000-2008 Era
@@EthanLyde It will be perfect then. I got the new model expecting it to be the same formula as the traditional WRf, but now it's just a YZF. It's amazing, but a race bike.
@@EthanLyde I believe '03+ WR250F got electric start. 03-05 are easier to work on with the steel frame, and 07+ got the aluminum frame.
Lol best trail bikes are duel sports
Do they battle?
Good luck with dr650/ klr 650 or tenere 700... 🤣🤣
All mx bikes are shit in the woods. They have no range and spit sparks and flankers which can burn forest down and maybe town as well.
you are generalizing too much, and stating 1/2 truths and some down right bad info
Please be more specific. What is generalized, half truths, and bad info?
Trail with 2 strokes? 😅
All the top gncc rider are on 300 2 strokes of some sort ...
noooob
if you an amateur just buy a XR250 until you're capable and only then should you buy a two stroke, trust me you will enjoy your time riding so such more on a 4 stroke
Good advice - a 250cc air-cooled 4 stroke would be great for 90% of woods riders. Thanks for watching, Sevie!