Gw2 Mysteries: The Thaumanova Reality

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  • @affey
    @affey Рік тому +3

    Revisiting this video after so many years. This video got me super interested in the lore! I remember basically reading the entire wiki and visiting every inch of the game after this. That research and exploration really supercharged my excitement for the game back then, trying to figure out how everything pieced together in S1/S2. And I'm still playing :)

  • @BartmossTV
    @BartmossTV 3 роки тому +8

    The theories in your video are so much better than what we got. Btw - video suggestion: Revisit all of these mysteries videos, and compare how they panned out and/or udate them. Doing all in one video should give you enough material to make it worthwhile.

  • @kekskdjhflsdkfs
    @kekskdjhflsdkfs 6 років тому +6

    Your gw2 mysteries series doesn't get the recognition it deserves. I can tell you've really put time and effort into telling this in a way that is enticing towards the next discovery and I hope you continue. Love these videos WP keep up the good work!

  • @TehUriel
    @TehUriel 11 років тому +10

    You were right!
    When you finish the tower of nightmares with an Asura that had the infinity ball Scarlet comments on it!
    You were friggin right!

    • @WoodenPotatoes
      @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

      Ahaaha so I have heard! But I don't think its complete confirmation :P

    • @ch0biq
      @ch0biq 11 років тому

      Scarlet comments on every personal story selection/order/endstory (if completed).

  • @LordOntario
    @LordOntario 11 років тому +6

    GW2 Need to do a spotlight on you in some way. Thanks to you a lot of their lore is getting out the the public in a very well done way. Thanks for the loads of time you put into these videos! Keep it up for as long as you can.

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому +1

    Wait, seriously?!! YOU just blew MY mind! That's amazing and I'm incredibly sad I never put that in the video!

  • @BlindedFayt
    @BlindedFayt 11 років тому +1

    I LOVE this stuff. Thank you so much for doing this. I wish I had the patience to actually keep up with this in game normally but this supplement is definitely keeping me interested.

  • @janbouzek3917
    @janbouzek3917 5 років тому +1

    I've been rewatching those lately and boy do they age well. I can not express how much I appreciate your work WP keep it up!
    PS: still waiting for next episode of LP:D

  • @christopherjensen3034
    @christopherjensen3034 11 років тому +9

    Don't really know where to message you so it all comes here:
    Thaumanova data. It's the Researcher right at the entry to it that states it used to be a city. Also states. Inquest had a lab - deep below - the city.
    Very interesting places to do mysteries/lore about- Ruins of the Unseen -Caledon forest the secret Skritt door with the Eye's of the Unseen behind.
    Aurora remains+ hidden lake+ interesting bridge and area portal you can't get to at Lionshead outcrop at Brisban wildlands. +human history Hunting lodge.-> whitemantle.

  • @CervarianMusic
    @CervarianMusic 11 років тому +1

    WHOA, look at the text the PC's clone says @ 29:16 "Just like the battle of Divinity's Reach"... I have no doubt in my mind, now, that the Aetherblades, Steam Creatures, and even the Watchknights are all connected.
    Thank you, WP, that latter part may be a theory but... the way you hunt this down and put it all together for us is just amazing. I really, REALLY, hope A-Net can pull whatever it is they're attempting to do here off, because this looks like it's going to be amazing.

  • @LordIsra
    @LordIsra 11 років тому +1

    Oh my god, I am almost shivering, listening to you and imagining what could happen later in-game! This living story is getting so intense and you are such an awesome storyteller! All you said seems possible and I am thrilled to discover the truth in a couple weeks/months.

  • @affey
    @affey 7 років тому

    Still coming back to this in 2017. These speculative moments made Season 1 so incredible to me.

  • @NoMoreNever
    @NoMoreNever 10 років тому

    Consider me mind-blown! Although a lot seems to hinge upon a personal story choice that you may/may not see, it still makes for a compelling picture when put together like this. Now I'm suddenly seeing hidden conspiracies in even the most mundane choices you make!

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому +1

    I completely agree, don't go overboard.

  • @tashabunny13
    @tashabunny13 11 років тому +1

    Wow, I never put all the spread-out pieces together like this before! Watching your video and seeing how all the little things tie together blew my mind... I am so psyched up for the fractal now... and also wondering what's about to happen on the 20th as well. AWESOME video!

  • @paranoid492
    @paranoid492 11 років тому +2

    youve done it again, pots. there's so much realistic evidence from you that this is pretty much CONFIRMED. Your podcast fills a very large hole in guild wars 2 in game lore because of the puzzle like nature of all the 3 setence conversations with in game characters. im so thrilled that the lore is actually alive and thriving and i had NO IDEA it could be this dark!

  • @RevonsRutabaga
    @RevonsRutabaga 11 років тому

    This is pretty awesome indeed. I love lore but I don't always pick up on everything so hearing your research bring it all together just makes it so much better.

  • @ViceDellos
    @ViceDellos 11 років тому

    time and again you leave me wanting for answers and more to questions I didn't have half an hour before. I loved this one

  • @stewartmead8801
    @stewartmead8801 10 років тому +1

    The best part of this video for me was when I realized that my new alt character picked the options to get this quest.

  • @MercuryAlphaInc
    @MercuryAlphaInc 10 років тому +1

    The more I think of it, the more Guild Wars seems like a storyline in Magic the Gathering... The whole "rips in space and time" thing reminds me of Timespiral.
    And that ain't a bad thing! I love the backstory to Magic, especially Timespiral and Ravnica.

    • @eddyweaver8814
      @eddyweaver8814 9 років тому +1

      MercuryAlphaInc What if Tyria is just a plane in the multiverse pre-mending and these Gods we worship are in fact planeswalkers and them going missing means they planeswalked to a different plane?

  • @XechPlays
    @XechPlays 10 років тому +5

    Jeeeeeesus, and I thought Dark Souls lore was complicated enough.

    • @weisserhimmel373
      @weisserhimmel373 8 років тому +1

      dark souls lore is pretty simple... we just have to scramble it together from almost nothing :p

  • @MagicDemonAS
    @MagicDemonAS 10 років тому +9

    With the news updates of GW2, will you do a second version of this video ?

  • @TheToshihitsu
    @TheToshihitsu 11 років тому

    This truly shows why I've been following you for all this time. You got me interested into lore more than you could ever imagine. I found some mysteries myself but have never been that deep and logical with my thinking. I'm not impatient about what is about to come :)

  • @glenhendler7709
    @glenhendler7709 11 років тому

    WP, I enjoyed this a lot. Your descriptive and detailed theory of the story feels more complex and interesting than anything I've experienced in game. Thank you for putting your time and thought into this.

  • @Isa_Reynard
    @Isa_Reynard 10 років тому +7

    Can the other version of Tyria be a world where if Scarlet succeeded in her conquest? Just a thought there..

    • @Zeivusgaming
      @Zeivusgaming 7 років тому

      Or what if we take her place in the conquest?

  • @gremjs03
    @gremjs03 11 років тому

    I like where this is going. I hope it does somehow tie in w/ the personal story because I totally dig the alternate reality scenario we could very well see. Anything mind bending from a story perspective is amazing IMO.

  • @GamingWithNosfero
    @GamingWithNosfero 11 років тому +1

    Wow....just wow....Props to you for figuring all these links together. Everything you said seems to play nicely together in the theory. We shall soon find out if you are right!

  • @jokingswood
    @jokingswood 11 років тому

    This feels like Christmas with all this WP GW2 content. You really are the biggest reason i still play it. Awesome work.

  • @elisethegreat
    @elisethegreat 11 років тому +1

    I stopped watching your GW1 LP about a year ago, when GW2 came out and I was sucked into it... now I'm regretting that fact. I've missed your commentary, dude.

  • @KhaidaG
    @KhaidaG 11 років тому

    I remember how stoked I was when after picking the Infinity Ball story line it turned out to be this massive mind blowing mystery with all this cool stuff going on. Some of the most fascinating moments in GW2, hands down. To learn some more on the subject would be a-ma-zing, I'd love to see all this tie in like you explained in the video. Thank you for all the hard work, WP!

  • @inkthedink
    @inkthedink 11 років тому

    I love these mysteries. I hope you are right and that these are all tied together somehow. It gets me really excited with this game and the living story.

  • @DormantRooster
    @DormantRooster 11 років тому

    So, I discovered your videos by chance (actually from your high crit ele build). I am very impressed with all your videos man! As a huge GW 1 and 2 fan, I think your knowledge of the lore is awesome. Very entertaining and I can only hope Anet is as vested in their lore as some of the more dedicated players.

  • @Phasks
    @Phasks 11 років тому

    OMG, I did that personal story and though it was boring because it didn't had nothing related to what I knew at time, but now, GOD. ANet is messing with our minds.
    Awesome Mystery, one of my favourite so far (but the series is awesome, please don't stop this, ever)

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    Actually it'd be really simple to just toggle on the steam creatures for this update, they dont do anything specific, right?

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    You should! There are some real gems in low level personal story stuff.

  • @adamryason5509
    @adamryason5509 11 років тому +1

    WP, so much info... I think if you showed these places on the map or drawn out a mind map, It would've helped connect the pieces. I really liked your gw1 history series and I think I had something like that in mind

  • @MrBenim27
    @MrBenim27 11 років тому

    Great theory! love your hard reseach ingame and through internet and thanks for sharing this video with us. I Played the infinity ball (story path? too and I got a few shivers after you repeated some parts of the dialouges and my mind was blown away too.

  • @cameronmarcil1823
    @cameronmarcil1823 11 років тому

    It all adds up! During Dragon Bash (after sky pirates started) Ellen Kiel was the inspector of the aetherblade attack of the opening ceremony of dragon bash. She could be part of the aetherblades that are from that alternate world. Now when I think about it, it was no coincidence that she knew where the hideouts where. Thanks WP awesome vid! I'm excited for the new fractal!!!:)

  • @ImrazorZodd
    @ImrazorZodd 11 років тому

    Oh I just LOVE these. The mere possibility of such complex story gets me excited.

  • @cgrus25
    @cgrus25 5 років тому +1

    This one is really fun to watch all these years later now that we know how all this is connected to Scarlet Briar. What's interresting is to think that in that alternate reality, your character and Shodd joined Scarlet instead of defeating her. But I wonder how that related to Mordremoth?

  • @imkluu
    @imkluu 11 років тому

    Fascinating. I like time travel stories. It makes me want to play my asura more or start another to live thru it again and take more notice of what is said.

  • @Watertaint
    @Watertaint 11 років тому

    This is a very good video, it sent shivers down my spine. I really like tinfoilhatting, especially when there is a lot of good evidence. In this case, there is. Being a Doctor Who and Lovecraft enthusiast, I can't wait until the curtain drops and we get to see what's behind it. Spasming realities, time adrift, masquerades and paradoxes are my cup of tea! I think the Queen's Jubilee is going to explode during one of the next weeks. The watchknights were controller by the mysterious figure.

  • @deamonelf1998
    @deamonelf1998 11 років тому +1

    Omg wooden potatoe you are amazing at this i love admire your work and just wow just mind blowing thank younfor all your work just thank you so much

  • @Wastingsometimehere
    @Wastingsometimehere 11 років тому

    Great Scott! I didn't even know this Back To The Future like cool story line existed. I really missed out with my Asura choices.

  • @DaFailth
    @DaFailth 11 років тому

    Oh my god!!
    These mysteries and lores you let me know just makes this game so much better!
    My god now I can't wait for the future updates!!
    And the new stuff happening after 1 week in the divinitys reach birthday thingie, MY GOD!!!
    There HAS to be a link!

  • @7Leksu7
    @7Leksu7 11 років тому

    Another fantastic video WP! Your lore videos are so exciting and is part of the reason that I am still playing Guild Wars 2. Even though I love the lore for Guild Wars 2 in the first place, you make it way more interesting, you're such a great storyteller! :)
    Keep these videos coming! I am already looking forward to the next one! :D

  • @meetFacePalm
    @meetFacePalm 11 років тому

    AMAZING how ALL THIS fits SO PERFECTLY together! Great work. Subscribed

  • @Zephode
    @Zephode 11 років тому +1

    O.O .......................... at the beginning i tought you were overthinking this, but at the stuff at the end.. with the asura story and stuff... wow. just wow.

  • @gladjohnson3117
    @gladjohnson3117 11 років тому

    Absolutely agree with WP. Came to familiar conclusion after reading everything recently. And yes, my character was the creator of infinity ball, though back then I hated my choice. Now I feel (as a character), at very least, special to guild wars lore, thing that didn't happen since game launch.

  • @kimboy007
    @kimboy007 10 років тому +1

    while I know I have nothing solid to back me up this is what I feel like is "correct": as mentioned, we have scarlet as a head of the aetherblade. 'scarlet's minions' include clockwork- and steam creatures. I think that scarlet might have been sucked into "our world". might have had a pact with the inquest and might have a relationship with the one who was elected (forgot her name. I voted charr).
    Scarlet wanted to go back but found more potential in "our world" than at first glance, and learned about the reactor. she got the inquest to do the dirty work (without letting them in on her ulterior motives) and got an unstable portal to her world.
    Scarlet then needed someone with the ressources, intelligence and power to stabilize the portal. So she got kiel(was that her name) on the aetherblade side. and used her new powerfull ally to stabilize the portal. (what do I know, probably even tricked the priory; speaking of Lornar's Pass)
    this is definitely not finite or the answer but it's something that has been on my mind :p

  • @ChristopherKing
    @ChristopherKing 11 років тому

    I can never get over just how much "extra" has been thrown in to this game that I would never know about if not for these videos

  • @MoskaYoutube
    @MoskaYoutube 11 років тому

    This video just blew my mind. I gotta admit you did some really decent research here! Thank you so much for putting out that awesome content. Keep up the good work :)

  • @Greyreal.
    @Greyreal. 7 років тому

    WP, the battle for divinity's reach, I have a feeling that is the current S4 Living story.

  • @ctrout_studio
    @ctrout_studio 11 років тому +1

    About half way through I realized where you were goin with it... Aetherblades, Inquest explosions, portals, time travel, mysterious seam creatures I always wondered about... Incredible.
    I have one more piece of info to add. You know how I suggested the Inquest and Aetherblades we're heavily suggested in the Zephyrites trek as "scavengers and power-mongers" trying to get crystals of Elder Dragon Power? (You can see where Im goin with this)...
    continued

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому +1

    I don't have any addons for my traits? Oo

  • @MiniCinem4
    @MiniCinem4 11 років тому

    thank you very much for making this video! the way you can peice these things together is amazing and intrigues me. Plus if ArenaNet did release some information about this I would not be one to read up on it, making your video extremely helpful and eye-opening. Keep up the good work Potatoes!

  • @nechoh
    @nechoh 11 років тому

    I love these!
    Also random note it would be amazing if we could see snaff in the mists and flesh out this plot device called destiny's edge

  • @Guellap
    @Guellap 7 років тому +1

    An NPC at the east entrance says that it was a city and that the inquest had their labs underneath.

  • @MightySneaker
    @MightySneaker 11 років тому

    When you pieced it all together at the end I just got Chills, that would be amazing to happen :D

  • @ThyReaperGrim
    @ThyReaperGrim 11 років тому

    I was like "yeah, yeah, conspiracies, go on, go on", till at the end of the video, I got shivers down my spine. Wow. I so hope this comes out true, or at least a part of it.

  • @Scribby87
    @Scribby87 11 років тому

    I would love for your theories to turn out to be correct. You make GW2 lore 1million % more interesting to me. Just when I think I have it all understood you blow my mind by connecting all the dots.

  • @Zeivusgaming
    @Zeivusgaming 7 років тому +1

    In a LW episode before HOT, where we play as Caithe, we see 'Scarlet' in her early years playing with a steam creature, trying to figure it out. That was long before any of all of that ever took place. Could the reaction explosion have sent one of them into the reach of Scarlet in the past and altered the timeline? In recent lore, she is credited to making them before moving on to her more aggressive mechanical monsters. That could explain why they don't ever stop spawning.

  • @BaronScaramuche
    @BaronScaramuche 11 років тому

    You might very well be onto something there, mate! I also noted something passing strange during the Queens Jubilee opening event. My character, a sylvari ranger, is asked to demonstrate the combat effectiveness of one of the Queen's new Watch Knights, a new weapon in Divinity Reach's arsenal, but Logan Thackery pushes rank and takes the honor of testing the new weapon upon himself. Whereupon it is discovered that Anise, the Queen's closest personal adviser and supposed high ranking officer

  • @LittleV179
    @LittleV179 11 років тому

    I actually love this theory and wish that it might happen...it would be awesome to actually have this kind of depth in the living story.

  • @DerDave247
    @DerDave247 11 років тому

    Kudos to you! I don't have the time to get deep into the story. That is a shame. I love how ArenaNet is building up the living story. So few people understand this and complain about lack of experience in new game acitivities. I say there is too little story and entertainment. Sadly it will not be changed.

  • @fadekill
    @fadekill 10 років тому +1

    So since we now know that Scarlett just created the steam creatures and used portals to transport them (and in the end abandoned them by transporting them to lornar's pass when she didn't need them anymore; which gives us the reason why they are there): How does the part of the asuran PS mentioned in this video makes sense? Do you open a portal to an alternative reality/future where Scarlett didn't die and succeeded in whatever she was up to? Did the player character became evil because he was convinced by scarlett (maybe also looking into Omadd's machine while Scarlett was alive?)? I don't know, but I would like anet to go back on this because at the moment it feels like a lookover.

  • @d0n0van2
    @d0n0van2 11 років тому

    Damn WP your seriously the reason I still play this game. You always get me excited about the Living Story lol

  • @FrekiundGeri
    @FrekiundGeri 11 років тому

    Wow... You, Sir, are a genius! Mind=Blown
    Now I'm really excited for this fractal and the new living story update

  • @swiftplus92
    @swiftplus92 11 років тому

    Did anyone else get chills when you Read "Battle of Divinity's Reach". If all this is linked... well played Anet.... well played...

  • @lifewhatsoever
    @lifewhatsoever 8 років тому +1

    Battle of Divinity's Reach in LS3 confirmed

  • @GalesGames69
    @GalesGames69 11 років тому

    i love your videos man
    ive never liked lore in games but you completly changed that around :D

  • @DaftPunk191
    @DaftPunk191 11 років тому

    at the end i got goosebumps as you said the aetherblades would attack divinity's reach

  • @TilveranWrites
    @TilveranWrites 11 років тому

    Amazing vid!
    Did you see Scarlet from Living Story is sylvari? Likely she at least started as Nightmare Court, now working with Aetherblades who we know are working with the Inquest. The one place the Nightmare Court are in alliance with the Inquest is Brisban Wildlands (hello again!), where they form The Sinister Triad with the human bandits.
    Just north of Thaumacore IC is Fort Vandal, a very interesting and secretive, impenetrable base of the sinister triad. Has an asura gate apparently!

  • @Easytorememberanyday
    @Easytorememberanyday 11 років тому

    This has to be my favourite mysteries video. Thank you so much! I can't wait to see what happens next, and hear how excited WP gets =D

  • @joshuaharrison3294
    @joshuaharrison3294 11 років тому

    I really like listening to your GW2 Lore, keep the great videos coming,

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    Untrue, steam creates have begun spawning during escort events for balloons all over the world, not just the shiverpeaks.. Those same events also feature aetherblades.

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    Not sure why you were flagged as spam. You're completely right, I have no degree in the languages and I read very little literature. I'm just enthusiastic online about what I like!

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    Bwhahaha, I'm glad people are enjoying it! It's so loosely strung together by me :P

  • @LiveSpartan235
    @LiveSpartan235 11 років тому

    Colin also had this to say in an interview with IGN "It takes the story of the last year and brings it all together. It makes it clear where everything has been going and really closes a lot of open questions that players have had. It’s a story that really affects the entire world and permanently creates content and change for the entire world game-wide, which is really something that’s important to us and we want to showcase that that’s where stuff is headed."

  • @CtrlShiftGo
    @CtrlShiftGo 11 років тому

    I doubt this is their intention but I would absolutely love it if they pursed such a complex and interesting story. Anet, listen to this man!

  • @EdgarDoiron
    @EdgarDoiron 11 років тому

    ok that ending just gave me the chills!
    So awesome! thanks for the video

  • @LegionsAU
    @LegionsAU 6 років тому

    I always pick the infinity ball with my asura characters, because that scene at the end is so utterly great :D

  • @KiriExile
    @KiriExile 11 років тому

    This is amazing. I have always thought that the mysterious stranger appearing twice was fishy but I never thought that it had all this link to the reactor and such . If your theory is true... then Shodd is a crafty one.

  • @Elodia7772
    @Elodia7772 11 років тому

    Mind blown. Thanks for this summary of what you've found!

  • @BalancedMasterEl
    @BalancedMasterEl 11 років тому

    wow, I was just about to play through the infinity ball option on my second asura too! Omg, this is crazy!

  • @LiveSpartan235
    @LiveSpartan235 11 років тому

    It's all making sense especially now that Anthony Ordon he confirmed that he is working on this story and keeps reminding people to watch the skies and that he is a fan of epic open world dynamic events and what could be more epic than an Aetherblade assault on DR.

  • @ctsnicky
    @ctsnicky 10 років тому

    Knowing what we know now about the living story, I would love to see a followup video to this one.

  • @MADMalekith
    @MADMalekith 11 років тому

    They have already mentioned in an interview (Ree S I believe said it) that a big deal of writing the stories for Launch was about putting in hooks for future stories that they didn't even know when they (as in the whole LS team) would pick up again. So respect for preparation, not necessarily grand scheming/planning ;)

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    I needed a character who hadnt done the personal story or some of the hearts :D

  • @MegumiAzusa
    @MegumiAzusa 11 років тому +1

    One thing you didn't take note of: when using the Infinity Ball to summon the Mysterious Stranger and Vice Admiral Shodd each spawn comes with an effect on the camera. Before this mission that didn't happen, but there is another instance the same effect is used: when you get mesmerized by a fake Syska if you chose "My greatest fear is that I would fail so grievously that I would lose the respect of my comrades. That I'd disappoint my companions and be dishonored."

  • @robertbereza6335
    @robertbereza6335 11 років тому

    I just noticed that the Golem at 33:05 is mr. Sparkles! You read a story about him in one of your guild wars 2 lore videos about a year ago, that's so cool he's still around!

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому +1

    It's a fractal shield!

  • @Roserra
    @Roserra 11 років тому

    i watch these videos when i wanna relax and listen to some nice lore..

  • @TonsOfPaperBrokenPen
    @TonsOfPaperBrokenPen 11 років тому

    Dude you always blow my mind. Keep up the intriguing work man!

  • @HunHaze
    @HunHaze 11 років тому

    Btw WP
    IGN did a an interview with Colin Johnson and he said about the next patch: "It takes the story of the last year and brings it all together. It makes it clear where everything has been going and really closes a lot of open questions that players have had. It’s a story that really affects the entire world and permanently creates content and change for the entire world game-wide

  • @windingtwilight
    @windingtwilight 3 місяці тому

    I know you’ve lost some spark with the nayos patch but maybe you might shed some more light on nayos with some more lore and mystery videos some time in the future
    It’s a bit of a stretch but having just finished the mursaat and ratasum video and the discussion on the old races of tyria
    Throughout Tyrias far history is it possible that nayos its demons and the cryptis are related to the structures in the depths? Did they interact with the musaat or have anything to do with ratasum‘s history and so on?

  • @HunterZ20
    @HunterZ20 11 років тому

    This is an amazing theory. It does tie into the story and the speculations up to this point very nicely.
    But as somebody else has said, i kinda cant imagine Anet foreshadowing the Living Story, just on 1 playable race and on a specific path of the personal story. The race being the Asura. It does fit in...but if all the classes had hints at this in the personal story, then it would be possible.
    However if this is the case then i can only be mad at Anet for favoring 1 playable race...

  • @Aereton
    @Aereton Місяць тому

    11 years later, and I still hope we get the Abaddon fractal
    maybe with Janthir Wilds...

  • @WoodenPotatoes
    @WoodenPotatoes  11 років тому

    Ellen kiel being aetherblade isn't necessary for anything else to make sense.
    I also have my reservations about the concept, but I want to share it with people anyway! You're welcome to make up your own mind.

  • @lostsanityreturned
    @lostsanityreturned 11 років тому

    have you checked out the elderdragon's lair though?
    It is a pain to run but if you do the no fall damage trick with the guardian you can actually go down there at the end of story mode Arah and see what is currently speculated to have been the original area to fight zhaitan in.