EVH Stealth 100 vs Stealth 50 - Does Size Really Matter?
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2021
- I do an in-depth shootout with the EVH Stealth 100 & the Stealth 50 watt amps. I do it with & without the overdrive pedal. I dial them both in exactly the same, and I dial them in with independent settings that are optimal for each amp followed by a comparison.
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I prefer the 50 watt by a mile….100 sounds deeper and a little more scooped,but the 50 watt has a bark in the mids that I like…..I had both,but I sold the 100…..Love the 50 watt version..
Did you try turning up the presence?
50 watt amps usually sound better because of the tube compression in the mids and saturation but most people mistakenly go for bigger heads with a scooped sounding 100 watt version that hasn't been pushed so it remains thin and bassy devoid of mids. 50 watt is the secret sauce especially if you have a resonance knob.
I agree man, the 50W sounds tighter with better attack. The 100W sounds FAT, like "The Biggest Loser" kind of FAT!!!!!!
@@TheVoiceInYourHeadd I agree with you as well. Higher power amps have more dynamic range w.r.t. their frequency reponse, but they tend to be much harder to dial in and sometimes impossible to get them as tight. And WE ALL LIKE TIGHT hahahahahaha!!!!!
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Yup, pretty much what I expected. You proved it with this comparison test. Both sounded great to me. The 100w does have more low-end.
Thats all correct you said in the video!The 50w though sounds tighter and more focused.And also don't let the size fools you. Recently i tried my evh stealth 50w in rehearsal on a 4x12 Peavey classic cab and mannn it was a totally different beast! Compared to my home setup with a 2x12 cab...i mean on the 4x12 cab the massiveness was so big that was uncontrollable, i must turn down the bass and the resonance noobs because the sound was to big! It almost sounded like the 100w version and that was definitely a lesson for me and give a lot food for thought,the cab i think is very important to the sound for sure!
Thanks for commenting. Oh yeah, that 50 watt will definitely keep up with a drummer and a full band. I know a lot of people who use them and they always sound great in a band mix
You only lose 3dB of volume going from a 100 watt amp to a 50 watt amp. Go up from say a greenback with 97 dB sensitivity to a vintage 30 with a 100 dB sensitivity and the 50 watt will be as loud as 100 watts. And as you found out from a 2x12 to a 4x12, every time you double the amount of speakers- you get a 3 dB increase in the low end.
@@TONEWARSgearshow it keeps up more than enough! That thing is loud! I tell you it sounded massive and it was cutting really good in the band mix ,also it wasn't That bright sounding like in my home setup i really impressed with that
Tighter? How tight do you really need it? I boost my amps with either an OD808 or SD-1W and I have zero complaints. Any tighter and it would sound like a solid state.
The 50w is really just phenomenal for the price. The blue channel is just the goat, so open and harmonic it’s just incredible. The red channel really only shines in tapping, the compression really helps it out.
do you recommend an attenuator (if so which) or do you think you can get kick ass tone with out one?
I like the 50 watt stealth since I play in drop A, drop G, and drop F.
The bottom end is a lot tighter, and that upper mid spike helps cut in those low tunings.
Here is my gear used and settings:
Black Winter bridge pickup with only a volume pot. No neck pickup.
Fortin 33 at max
5150 III 50W stealth blue channel
Gain- 6
Lows- 10
Mids- 5
Highs- 4
Presence- 4
Resonance- 3 o'clock
Vader 4x12 cab loaded with Eminence DV-77s.
Thanks for sharing this information. I think the DV77 speakers are perfect for that version of the stealth.
Low = 10 😳
@@willchug That Fortin 33 cuts a shit ton of low end out, and the 50 watt is already lacking in the low end. The Lows at 10 with the 33 feels about the same as the Lows at 7 with a TS9 tubescreamer, if that gives you some perspective of how much low end is cut with the 33.
@@TONEWARSgearshow Those DV-77 speakers sound great in the Vader. I stopped playing through my mesa 4x12 after I swapped the speakers out in the Vader.
Anything lower than B sounds like poo poo.
Another thing to note for the difference in tone due to output, is the different components on the circuit board, so they can let the higher voltage travel through. My rudimentary understanding due to my newly found hyper fixation. Lol. I'd take the 100, love that fuller tone. I don't like the higher frequencies on the 50.
I bought the 100 today lol. My amp collection is starting to look like yours ! Your channel is awesome brother ! The 50 is for sale.
Awesome!! Congratulations 👏.. I appreciate the kind words.
Enjoy the Easter Eggs
I totally agree that the 100 watt sounds much more full with texture and aggression over the 50 watt. (Not to say the 50 watt sounds bad at all) It would be interesting to hear a well done capture of the evh100 stealth on the quad cortex or the Kemper. Thanks again!
Thank you so much for commenting. I will definitely be profiling the 100 W soon
Looking forward to that, thanks!
If you want the headroom get the 100 watt. If that is too loud get attenuator to drop the volume but get the gain of a cranked amp. Then unleash this 100 watt beast when you play live!
Thehundred watt stealth has the best rhythm channel I’ve ever heard and the 50 W white head has a better lead channel than any of the other EVH amps, it would be worth it to somehow combine the two into one head.
I would love to see a similar comparison video between the 90w and 25w Mark Five
You got it!
I think running the presence lower on the 50w is the way to go. I run it on 3-4 (regular 6L6) and it sounds much fuller and more balanced
Thanks for commenting. Good tip.
I'm much more of a fan of 6L6s in almost every amp with the exception of my original Uberschall with a KT-88 mod. That thing is purely a metal amp with a useless clean channel, but JESUS those KT-88s push SO MUCH POWER!
Would you pick the mt100 or the 50watt stealth. I have the mt100 but having bad feedback about to send it back and get another one or the stealth
Just curious, why didn’t you use the EVH 412 cab as I use one and it sounds amazing, great video and appreciate your perspective on amps and tones, cheers !
Jarrod prefers 212s and has stated that to him 412s sound to airy.
@@Brent-Nelson68 he also stated that when manufacturers make an amp they usually design a speaker to go with it which I agree and EVH makes a 212 cabinet, just curious how the EVH cabs sound with that amp that doesn’t have vintage 30s
Hey man I am a subscriber and I was wondering how much do you want for the 50 Watt stealth?
50W for sure! Tighter and more precise to my ear. I think the 100W would be more fun to play on its own because it sounds massive. But in a band context i usually dial lows back so not to clash with bass and the kick drum. Thanks for the great comparison!
i have one of the original 250, "Fender F" logo'd EVH 100w Stealths from 2014. She is a BEAST. Keeper for sure. Your demos accurately captured what i hear when ive recorded/performed w/ mine - excellent job!🔥🤘🔥🤘
Thank you! Yeah I would definitely keep that amp. If you ever sell it, you will regret it forever lol.
I have one with fender F as well . I had no idea they only made 250
@@techdeathhippie6319 hi.. yes when i spoke to Matt Brown, the guy who replaced Chris Cannella as the EVH head of marketing(?), je noted that these were ltd to 250 (no more than 300 IIRC); if you look at your PCB you will see the hand-wired mods (vs the cleaner circuit changes in the later runs); evidently Edward allowed a ltd amt of heads (to be named the Stealths) to be modded to replicate what he was using on the '12-'13 ADKoT world tour; also chk out Howard Kaplan's stmts (head EVH eng before James Brown returned) on these bad boys🔥🤓🤘
@@DeathMetalGuitar very cool . That’s awesome to know . I love hi gain amps and collect . So my EVH is cooler just still
I have one from 2014 as well man, still have have the original winged-c tubes in it too. I’ll never part with that thing.
hi Jarrod 🤘 i notice that in your test you play tin stealth 100 w at 4 on the volume. I have a stealth 100w and a 4x12 cab and a volume of 1.5 I'm at 103 db... are you using an attenuator?
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50 watt all day for my taste.
The 50W sounds better to me. The added treble is going to make it cut much better in a mix.
Agreed
Sounds like the EVH stealth has a Mesa Boogie'escness built in. I'd be interested in seeing a head-to-head with Mesa.Cause if it can match the Boogie and do EVH shreadding solos/rythms, it's a 2 for one and I'd definately get that over Mesa because i'd still want that EVH sound.
Thanks for commenting. The Stealth 100 is tighter, meaner, more aggressive and modern sounding than the Dual Rec.
It doesn't have the flub and fizz that the Dual Rec suffers from. I'd highly recommend the Stealth
Hey there on the 100 where do you typically run the resonance on the back for each channel?. Thanks
Around 2:00
Great comparison! I was trying to figure out which one to buy, 50 watt all the way. Own their own the 50 sounds better, the 100 sounds better boosted.
There are two things to consider:
You are using a 2x12, for me the 2x12s are banned, they have less dynamics than the 4x12 a less three dimensional sound or less resonance.
I use an oversize mesa 4x12 and in my opinion if you want to make good profiles you need a speaker like this.
Surely if you don't play in the mix band and use a 2x12 the 100w has a more interesting sound, but live I noticed that the 50w makes it better especially if you have a 4x12 mesa which tends to be a little boomie already. Even in the mix of the band the 100w causes me a bit of trouble with eating too many frequencies.
The ideal is to have both but in my opinion you should buy a 4x12 mesa.
How well do the effects loops work in these with say a quad cortex or hx stomp 4 cable or just effects?
Very well
Thanks for the vid. I would have kept the 50w brother. Much tighter, same low end and gain. Would cit through a mix way better
have you noticed that in the 100S version, on the red channel, at the same time when you operate the gain from the previous channel (blue), the saturation of the red channel changes (you can hear it and feel exactly as if there was a color filter or tubescreamer) ??
Yes I have noticed that. I have done a few videos about that very topic.
When you're on the red channel, and you adjust the gain on the blue channel, it gets tighter and more aggressive depending on which way you turn the knob
@@TONEWARSgearshow It's likely that the 100W sounds fuller in your opinion because the 4 power tubes are a little different and their sound is mixed... so it feels fuller. Not because it has 2x performance.
Man I've been so conflicted but the 50W sounds much tighter and I'm diggin it! I agree that larger power amps have a higher dynamic range w.r.t. the frequency response, but in this case the 50W sounds better in a little jam room. If someone were to be using the amp for live shows I'd definitely go with the 100W due to the path fading of the sound waves propogating toward an audience. It would also be true to find that perfect spot where you'd hear constructive rather than destructive interference. Lastly, I realize UA-cam attenuates the signal for "optimization" so we're not likely to hear what you hear. However, the 50W for my jam room/basement sounds heavenly. Comparable to walking in the house from work and hearing my wife with a few p*rn stars waiting on me to get home lolol. Again, maybe it's the YT algo, but I have to disagree with you here, the 100W sounds like it needs the OD, but the 50W sounds tight enough without it... 🤷♂
Love the channel Jared, and as always thanks for helping me make my mind bro 🤘
I got the 50 watt Stealth and it's a monster. I live in an apartment so I need to keep it down and that bad boy sounds killer even at low levels.
Jarrod do another comparison, run the preamp of the 50 watt into the power section of the 100 watt amp. Let’s see if the attributes of the 50 watt remain the same or takes on the quality of the 100 watt head. Do the reverse, run the preamp of the 100 watt into the power amp of the 50 watt head. Does it remain the same or gets wimpified?
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll see what I can do.
@@TONEWARSgearshow I think that's a spot on idea!
Or unplug 2 power tubes of the 100 W head. 🤷🏻♂️
@@renebottinger4658 Different transformers
Bit of a noob question, but can you get the same tone out of either amp at bedroom volumes? Super tempted to buy the 100w cause of how huge that tone is, but last thing I want to do is drop $$$ on an amp I cant really use at home. I have seen people say the 50w can be used at home. But then other people say the 50w is not a home amp. So basically I'm confused about who is telling the truth. If you could help me out with your opinion, that would be killer! I'd get an EVH 2 X 12 cab to accompany the head - matchy matchy.
Good question. These days, most amplifiers are built so that you can get a great tone at any volume. The only thing you're going to miss out on at low volumes is low end.
Yes, they will sound better at performance volume but they will still sound decent at bedroom volumes. I hope this helps.
By the way, I would highly recommend the 100 W because of all of the great features and the Easter eggs that are in it. It is such a great amp
Thanks! Yeah this video has been really helpful and has nudged me toward the 100 even though it's $$$.
I also found a promising sounding reactance amplifier - the Fryette PS-100 - which sounds like a super useful tool for juicing the amp to get the tone we're all after while providing fine grained control over the volume in the room. Alas also a pretty expensive piece of kit. I guess it makes sense to spend as much on a proper rig as a nice customshop guitar :P
do you use the mesa cab on this video?
Yes, the Mesa 212
Do you have to crank the tubes on the 100watt to get that fullness? I have the 50 watt right now and the volume knob works very well for low volumes, is the 100 watt super touchy for low volume?
I wouldn't say that you have to crank it super loud to get that fullness.
In my opinion, if it's not full enough at lower volumes just turn up the resonance and bass a little bit and you should be good.
@@TONEWARSgearshow thanks, would you say the volume knob is touchy at low volume? Like it jumps super fast to loud? Also, does the blue channel gain bleed into the red?
@@spectre3492 I don't think it's super touchy to my recollection.
Yes, the blue channel gain affects the red channel quite a bit. It's an amazing feature.
@@TONEWARSgearshow thanks, im thinking of going with the 100 watt instead of the 50 but one concern i have is that you have the volume set to like 4 in the video here but i never turn up the volume past like 1 on the dial because its plenty loud already. is that going to be an issue with the 100 watt? on the 50 the volume taper is really gradual and i can get a good tone at that low volume level but i haven't played the 100 watt so i dont know how it does at bedroom levels
I own the 50 watt white 6l6 with dual pots. I love it but cant stop thinking about 50 watt stealth. Would it be an upgrade if i buy the 50 watt stealth?
Good question. In my opinion, I think it would be a good move for you to get the stealth. The blue channel is much better on the stealth than the 6L6 version...(more gain and texture) Also, I just think the stealth has more aggression overall.
Well looks like im getting a stealth. Now i just gotta find a buyer cuz my baby is in mint. I dont want to see her go but i dont want to be that guy with two identical amps sitting on top off each other. Thanks
@@metalsnake3557 you'll love the 50, but if you have the funds, the 100 is worth it. Again, the 50 is very good
mids sometimes on the 100 sound wider and more high quality . that amp is impressive
It's a very impressive amp indeed. In the room, it just fills everything with so much texture
This video is more informative than showing off the EVH heads. I see the 50 watt as an excellent amp for a multi-guitar band, whereas the 100 watt is better for single guitar bands.
Just bought a used 100 and selling my 50. The 50 is a PHENOMINAL amp, but I wanted that fullness. My Engl Fireball 100 just sounds so much bigger, even though I prefer the general tone of the EVH more. I'm hoping the 100 evens the playing field and maybe I'll get rid of the Engl.
Congratulations! The 100 will definitely even the playing field and then some. You'll love the Easter Eggs in the 100
@@TONEWARSgearshow after all this time, would you still say you like the blue channel better on the 50 watt, as you did in your original comparison? Or have you got the 100 more dialed in now?
100 rules
The 100w's Presence control is literally off until it's at about 2 o'clock and the whole sweep happens after that. Not exaggerating. 100w Presence at noon and 0 sound the same.
To get the 50w and 100w sounding similar Presence wise, set the 50w to noon and the 100w to AT LEAST 3 o'clock. Yes it's weird but EVH designed it that way.
Both amps sound great. The 100w sounds thicker and the 50w seems maybe a little slinkier (in a good way) and scooped. Maybe even more articulate.
You are correct. The presence knob "activates" at 2:00. I really like the 100 watt. It's so full sounding
FIRST MOVER ALERT - > No one I've seen has done this yet:
What you should do the 50 watt tube pull trick from the 100 watt and compare it to the 50 watt that way. The 50 watt has a couple mods to the preamp section, but just to see if it's the tubes or transformers... It could be that the 50 watt has different transformers?
If so.. We need to start demanding full-sized transformers in 50 watt amps to get rid of these big, bulky amps for good..
But either way, Mesa can make small 100 watt amps the size of a 50 watt, so all these other foods should be able to too.
I did forget to mention that on some or all of the EVH 100 watt amps, supposedly settings on the green channel's gain (or blue channel's - I can't remember) affects the sound of the red channel. I'm not sure you've gone over this but your vida are pretty long so perhaps I missed it.
Please test EVH Iconic versus Stealth 50w
After owning both, and currently having the 100, I miss the 50!!! Lol I’m selling my 100 right now. I thought there 50 watt sounded a bit more lively, and it’s so much easier to gig with.
They both are just so good. I have the 100 watt. I only played the 50 when I am in the U.S. my old band mate has the 50. My ears are used to the 100 watt. But if you're just recording it didn't matter. He E.Q.( using plugins) his 50 watt really got close. For me as long as it doesn't sound like my Peavey Invicta 120, I am happy. Never got a long with that dam thing. It sits in the box collecting dust. Love the vid , and the details. It seems like you really like both. Great job brother
I have the 100 watt. Played the 50 watt. No comparison. If you are going get one get the 100 watt
100 watt is broader in all aspect. I never down powered my Mesa Boogie Mark lll Simu-class from its 90watt setting. Even when I run modeler, the power amps are 200watt plus.
Thanks for commenting. Yes, that 100 W is definitely fuller.
Both amplifiers are very good, I just prefer amps with more texture and headroom.
The 50W sounded better in all the cases/settings you tried. It's just a better tone.
But likely, on a huge open air space, the 100W will probably sound better.
i think the 50 would cut better in live band play. the 100 may get lost in the bass guitar freq.
my marshal slash afd 100 is not warm or bassy. even a bit dry and harsh, but it gets the job done in live play.
I think the 50 watt sounds sweeter with better note definition.
Man, you sold the 50 watt? How come? I love mine and don’t think will ever sell it.
Agree, all he had 4X12 cab to make them sound similar in my opinion.
you have to ab them in the same exact volume to hear the true difference
So I’m a bedroom player, would I down the line wish I would have gotten the 100 instead of the 50
Both will sound great on stage and in band practice. That said, the 100 W unit just has a bigger sound and more texture, especially in the room.
Not in my opinion because as a bedroom player you have to turn up the 100 watt to start getting the goodies out of it where as the 50 you get lots of greatness as lower volumes,but on the other hand depending on the size of your bedroom that could be a game changer 🤘🤘
In my opinion, you have to be crazy to play a 50 watt tube amp in a bedroom, unless you own the OxBox or something
@@voxpathfinder15r That’s the advantage of the EVH 5150 combo’s - they have a power attenuator to take them all the way down to 1 watt for home use. Wish the heads had this feature!
@@voxpathfinder15r There's a cool little feature on the back of the 50 watt 6l6 stealth and that is (drum roll) A HEADPHONE jack! That is seldom ever talked about but works fantastic. So you don't need an attenuator. Plug in the headphones/buds and crank it and nobody will hear a peep except you. 😈
The 50 W is so much better. Not muddy and articulate in comparison with 100 W. 100 W version sounds like a bad simulation.
Ok so I am going to assume you like v30s with the stealth, I have an orange 2x12 with celestion vintage 30s and ordered a 50 watt stealth because of your demos
Yes the V30's are good with the Stealth
50w definitely has more bite, in a good way
Jeez I love these amps. I think I wish I would have gotten the 100 watt stealth instead of the 100 watt EL34
Thanks for commenting. I really want to try the 100 wattEL34. Based on what you heard in this video, what do you think the differences are between the 100 W EL34 and the 100 W stealth?
@@TONEWARSgearshow . The 6L6 tubes have more headroom.
Ive heard the 50W stealth had some alterations / tweaking and more ? over the std 6L6 50W that Eddie wanted to get it closer to what he was wanting, he was digging the 50W. But I don’t think these modifications were done to the 100W 🤷♂️ Anyone with more info on this.
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Hey Will, good to hear from you. I'm interested in hearing about this too.
Please do tell if you find some information on that subject... Thanks 👍😊
The modification were done to the 100 watt head as he toured with the 100 watt heads. They just implemented the same mods to the 50 watt. More gain and low mids on the blue channel. And more usability with the red channel.
EVH amps are "dark" amps by nature to begin with. That said, I swapped the JJ 6L6's in my Stealth to Sovtek WXT+ 6L6's like Eddie used. Pretty noticeable difference. I also added a $35 Azor Boost pedal to the board, and it gave the mids and highs a snarl, and chords became much more crisp and clear. The 100w here sounds WAY too "muffled". I prefer the 50w any day.
I've learned they on the 100watt having the presence knob at 3:00 is key
@@TONEWARSgearshow I usually keep it scaled back between 2:00 and 3:00 on the 50w which seems optimal.
Yeh, I agree. The 100w sounds muffled for the entire video. The 50w just sounds more clear and better.
I guess it's a dark amp but I don't like dark amps and I love my stealth 50 and it's able to get loud and bright but it takes away from the killer tone. If I need more volume or headroom I just run line out of stealth into peavey 6534+ and bazooka!
@@auntjenifer7774 I eventually sold my 5150 III and bought a Laney IRT Ironheart 60. The tone is very similar, and the Laney is a bazooka in itself through my 4x12. I got the Laney for about $500 cheaper (desperate to sell), so that freed up cash for another guitar in all.
Oh, and Jared, that's awesome you sold the Stealth, but I wanna know when you're ready to let the JP go hahahahahahaha
100 watts...? Overdrive...? Pfft. Whoever "needs" that clearly doesn't know what they are doing. Might as well play acoustic... Or worse.... BASS.
Of course... I'm still chasing tone on my MT15. So.... I NEED this amp. 50 or 100. And while my small man syndrome is in full effect...I also need a matching 4X12 cab. Hahahaha
Honestly though.....GREAT comparison. Even through UA-cam compression and my ear buds, I can hear the difference. Well done. After it's all said and done...I'd be histerically happy with either.
Thanks for all you do.
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Haha thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the episode. And you are correct, most people would be happy with either version of this amplifier. They are both amazing.
Waiting impatiently for the PRS MT 100 shootout..! 😄👍😚
@@lydfar2392 that will be epic
the 50 watt is perfect for a mix. The 100 watt would get lost...too woofy
100w definitely sounds louder,
Selling my 50 watt XDDDD and peavey 6505 to get this monster )
Congratulations!!
Hey, how did it end up? Was Stealth 100 worth the 50 and the 6505.
@@arsentoplak2635 yep
50w sounds better to me
the 100s is almost over the top and i am a death metal guy lol
If you've got Napoleonic syndrome then get the 100 watt.
You have to admit, the 100 has more texture, fullness and features regarding tone shaping
@@TONEWARSgearshow it’s a behemoth of an amp.
@@barano9729 it definitely is. Lugging it around for gigs would probably be a pain sometimes but playing through it reminds you that it could be worth the effort. Easy for me to say though, I just keep it at at my house.
BaHahaha!!!!!