Vicious,but Brashear played about 8 more seasons after that. Moore's career ended that night,and Bertuzzi knew EXACTLY what he was doing,cause Crawford sent him
@@henrymanzano2201 Moore chose to end his career for the lawsuit and purse litigation against Todd, Vancouver, Crawford and anyone else. If he kept playing he’d have no case. Dominic his brother play a long career in the league and made around 10 million, well Steve settled for 70 million. I mean common
@@henrymanzano2201yeah but players like Max Pacioretty broke their neck and were able to play. Steve probably could have played if he wanted and he's able to walk
I watched that game live. That was back when you didn’t need some weird TV provider to watch the Avs and I watched every game. I’ll never forget the announcers started yelling and me and my buddy just looked at each other in disbelief. Crazy.
@Overonator he just wanted to fight him. The mass majority of fights in hockey end up with very little damage to anybody. That's all that was on Berts mind, a few punches. Certainly nothing like what happened.
Naslund would've been the first Canuck Art Ross winner that season. The NHL was compliant in creating the situation by their inaction in the first place.
In physical terms it was, but coward punching someone elicits a visceral reaction. There's something that is infuriating about it. It's sort of action that demands mob justice. It's the sort of dog act that would have triggered blood feuds back in the day. It goes against the very ethos of being a man.
Most vicious ever?!? What's wrong with "you people." Ignorant NHL fans. Whack on helmet after 20 yr career of being a Marty and all you clowns know is tap.
If you're getting mugged and someone puts a gun to your head, do you say 'eerrmmmm that's illegal I won't give you my wallet sir' then turn your back? Moore won the Darwin award for being the dumbest player to lace them up, I guess they don't teach common sense at Havard.
@@Matasky2010 he was the one that not only lost control in a revenge situation he actually encouraged it. He is guilty of instigating premeditated assault.
As an Av’s fan, it was also pretty boneheaded of Tony Granato not to just take Moore out of the game for the last 10 minutes and I still wonder why he didn’t. I watched this game on TV and Moore was getting roughed up all game and it kept getting worse and worse. Especially when the Canucks were down by 5. You knew something was going to happen. And obviously it did. Bertuzzi was relentlessly booed and jeered every single time he played in Denver after that.
Well was Granato supposed to play his top line in a game with a huge lead? No, your going to put your 4th line in to finish a game that you have a big lead in. Just common hockey sense.
Granato played Moore on purpose because he wanted to give him the opportunity to stand up and defend himself. No team wants a guy who can’t stand up for himself when he really needs to. I guess they don’t teach that at Harvard.
@@SirJaymesDAudeléehe already answered the bell and fought Matt Cooke earlier in the game.(Ironically another super dirty player in his own right as a pens fan Ik firsthand) but I guess it wasn’t enough for the Canucks. He should have fought Brad May or Bertuzzi himself right at center ice at the start of the game I feel like that could have prevented what happened as well who knows.
The league was partly at fault for this incident. If Moore was properly suspended for that initial hit on Naslund, his career wouldn’t have ended so abruptly and Bertuzzi’s reputation wouldn’t have been tarnished. What some people fail to realize is that Moore already fought once earlier in that game. Should have been over after that. Both teams should have just moved on and focused on playing hockey.
The NHL DPS is one of the wildest examples of damage control. That's their job as HR, but I'm sure it bothers more people than me. I'm all in favor for settling it on the ice and backing up your team, but the inconsistency is pretty crazy. As you explained, there has to be a way to turn around that retribution into something better.
As is happening today, particularly in the tolerance of players like Cousins of Florida, if you don't punish the first violent act, you will surely get an even more violent response. I think, though, that Bettman knows that many people watch the NHL for a similar reason they watch NASCAR: to see explosions of violence and the occasional serious injury.
@Nickh4929 umm actually he/she made a comment. You are the one insinuating his/her intentions beyond that comment. Just like I COULD insinuate that your comment is implying the pile on was no big deal. Perhaps it's best to comment on words used and not pretend like you know the person and what their mind thinks.
Crocodile tears. He threatened to badly hurt him, then he badly hurt him. It wasn't during a play, there was no provocation, there was no excuse. It was a premeditated and serious assault causing grievous injury. He should be in prison.
B.S that wasn't a hard punch but he went limp thus injuring himself he could've turtle like the coward he was and after I could've been still blind siding hits to nhl stars total coward moore
Cooke was a small guy, scrappy af yes, but much smaller than Moore so that’s why Moore accepted that fight hoping he could avoid the larger guys that were challenging him so no, it wasn’t even close to being enough. Moore tried to duck and run from the true retribution he deserved and it eventually cost him his career. I have zero sympathy for Moore to this day, karma eventually got him IMO, and nothing but love and respect for Bertuzzi and the West Coast Express. Hope Big Bert is his having a good retirement.
@@Pinkz604 Moore was listed at 6’2” 210lbs. Cooke listed at 5’11” 208lbs. It was hardly a mismatch… imo it should’ve ended there but I’m not really emotionally invested in this situation either way. Moore laid an incredibly dirty hit even by 2004 standards, which is really saying something. If anything I blame the coach for not benching Moore and the NHL not handing down any consequences for the hit on Naslund.
@@impulse_xs we can agree to disagree on a few things but 6’2 taking on 5’11 is still a notable size difference, especially for reach. Let’s also not forget how the 6’2 cheap shot artist refused to fight Brad May and Todd Bertuzzi but chose to fight the 5’11 dude that wasn’t even challenging him instead. So naturally, it wasn’t going to end there, especially given the era of badass, violent hockey that the league allowed at the time where nearly every team had about 1-3 OG goons on it. Had he been a man and stepped up to the plate against the bigger boys his size and taken the beats he deserved, then it would have ended there and maybe he would have had a full career. If a clown fucks with a star’s career in a dirty way and don’t step up to the plate after, it could cost that clown their career a la Cheap Shot Moore. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@@impulse_xsif you know Matt Cooke you know he’s 5’9 on his best day. Moore was around 6’1. Their listings don’t matter, players and trainers submit them in training camp.
Just a reminder that this what happens when 2 teams play each other 6-8 times in a single season. No specific point that I’m trying to make, just remembered the days when you could play a divisional opponent more times than a 7-game play off series throughout a season 😂
For Bertuzzi to say he never meant to hurt Moore is incredibly disingenuous. He sucker punched him from behind and drove his head into the ice. What exactly did he mean to do?
Nobody sucker punches someone without the intent to seriously hurt them. Bertuzzi should’ve have ever been allowed to play again at any level for that chicken shit move
20 years ago we wish todd bertuzzi did hit steve moore i was 8 years old when I saw it on tv and steve moore did play in the NHL again we lost to the Colorado 9-2
We all just gonna ignore the plate in Ted Greens head over a stick swinging incident with Wayne Maki? That’s the most brutal play to date other than the murderous kicking incident.
The irony that part of the reason Bertuzzi was ever allowed to play again "Significant uncertainty, anxiety, stress and emotional pain caused to Bertuzzi's family" dude committed a crime "Significant uncertainty, anxiety, stress and emotional pain pales in comparison to what Moore got.... Another irony is that even with the clear intentional of the action leading up to & during the attack Bertuzzi nor the coach who claimed a hit on moore or team itself ever faced jail let alone paid any serious amount of punishment to Moore.
It was assault at best, that's why nothing criminal was pursued. Fuck, McSorely's hit on Bashere was assault with a weapon with 20k+ witnesses and he wasn't charged criminally.
@@sportsfix6975 Even if so what good does millions do if your not able to enjoy it. The attack or the hit cost him his career & I believe he still suffers headaches & vertigo & other lingering issues. It's not quite as bad maybe as being paralized or killed say in a DUI or car accident but Vertigo Migraines & vision issues suck let alone never being able to enjoy playing what you loved or teach it to your kids. Also he was already pretty wealthy I think from being able to play Pro hockey I'm sure he'd give up being wealthier to be able to have the life he had upto the attack/hit but I'm not him so can't say for sure. I know it's believed to have physically & mentally affected his life & quality of live even maybe years off his life who knows. Still I'd bet he'd gladly give up all the money he got to have his life back to before the hit. I think in his spot I would. I was in a car accident & got some money out of it because it was caused by a Drunk semi Truck driver who ran a red light & busted my leg in several places & while i'd gladly give the money back to not have the knee issues I do still have especially in colder weather.
@@sportsfix6975 Look at the Naslund hit it wasn't intentional there's no justification in cheap-shotting a guy from behind literally. I'm not say it was a clean hit or that someone didn't deserve to hit or fight over the Naslund hit but it wasn't intention like Bertuzzi's & it wasn't from behind. The Naslund hit was from the side. It's a rough sport but cheap shots are never justified.
He had his glove on when he hit him. I think in his mind he had no thought it would lead to what it did. Bad choice which is why fighting in the NHL is typically 2 willing combatants. And that should stay in the game. Key world willing
I'm from Australia, and so know nothing about ice hockey. The fighting to me is kind of bizarre. I see a lot of comments on these videos that fighting is part of the game. Just curious, do kids playing in the junior leagues get encouraged to fight during their games? And would the sport be ruined if fighting was banned altogether?
Bill Masterton literally died after a game.... Google Ted Green and Wayne Maki "Maki had gotten up and swung his stick and with the heel of his stick, struck Green on the right temple. It wasn’t quite evident right away, but that blow had crushed part of his skull and left Green partially paralyzed, and immediately caused his speech to be slurred. Green, while his body was convulsing, tried to get up but was unable to do so."
I watch all 3 games in question live on television. I asked some of the same questions brought up here. Why did Vancouver wait so long to retaliate? Because at first, they didn't know how long Naslund would be out. When they found out he'd miss considerable time, they definitely wanted revenge. But they wanted to do it in front of their home fans and not in a game in Denver where they were getting blown out. Ok, fine. I lay a lot of the blame on Crawford and Brad May who stoked the fires of the team and fans, basically making way more out of the Moore hit than it really was. Yes, it was a careless hit but never intended to injure Naslund. Moore had absolutely no history of cheap shot injuries in the NHL or minor league level. It was clear to me that for Vancouver, and particularly Bertuzzi, fighting Moore that night wasn't enough. He wanted to injure him as payback. Why May or Bertuzzi weren't the ones to fight him in the first place, I have no idea. But we all thought it was over after that.
Look up the cheap shot attack on Henry Boucha when he played for the Minnesota North Stars by Dave Forbes of the Boston Bruins. It was way more disturbing than the Bertuzzi/Moore incident.
Moores hit on naslund was dirty but dirty hits happen all the time, and nothing justifies berts reaction. Fight the guy kick his ass but dont sucker punch him from behind! Say what u want about cooke another dirty hitter but at lesst cooker fought him face to face.
@@lightdestructions i wont deny that but it wasnt the same kind of head down as lindros. Nassy was over extending himself reaching. He did put himself in a vulnerable position and moores hit was very unnessary and deserved retribution just not the kind bert had in mind. Nobody would hit Gretzky like that theyd just worry about getting the puck. Not comparing the 2 but nassy was the league leader in points at the time or in the season prior.
I'm hoping Ron Maclean bring this up on HNIC the day after the anniversary. "I'm sure hoping that Trudeau should pay tribute to Bertuzzi for his contributions to the game, but Moore's fans likened him to the guy who killed John Lennon. Imagine there's no violence in hockey."
I remember this but I don’t remember the cheap shot that lead to this, if you’re going to lay a cheap shot, you don’t skate away even weeks later from a guy wanting to fight you over it, turn around and drop the gloves or don’t be a cheap shot artist!
Can't help but feel that if he'd just dropped the gloves with Brad May (his first challenger that night, and oddly not in this vid) everyone would have moved on. Instead he waited to fight the smaller, non-fighter Matt Cooke, and got the better of him, which seemed to inflame the situation to an unfortunately high degree.
Because the incentive exists to send an AHL'r goon to take out a star with really no consequence to the team. Naslund never recovered from that concussion, and his production dropped hugely.
So did the NHL learn from this? I watched a couple of games recently, and everyone just ealivates over the violence. The giant rookie on the Rangers- basically just fights - and teams try to hurt Connor Bedard.
The fact that Bertuzzi was allowed to play in the NHL again is unbelievable. He ended Moore's career and only got suspended for a season that never happened
@@Ispy10101 The settlement was signed in 2014, ten years after the incident. Moore never played another game, and was 36 years old when the settlement was reached.
People are trying to excuse bertuzzi for a blatant cheap shot 20 years after the fact and that is hilarious to me. Wasn't even a super dirty hit on naslund he was on 2 knees when the hit was made how do you avoid head contact in that instance?
Moore intentionally hit Naslund in the head. Naslund was reaching for the puck with his head out, and then he pulls his head back to the point where Moore would have to go out of his way to hit Naslund in the head, and he went for the headshot anyway because he had already made up his mind.
Great video. Good content, well researched and reported. And I know you all are told to keep energy up in media school and everything...but why are you yelling at me, bro? The whole video, just shouting at me.
I have seen many incidents in a hockey game . Where exactly the same thing happened to another player. The guys didn't even get a suspension. If moore didn't get injured from that play it wouldn't even be that big of a deal.
Don't agree. Bertuzzi was playing by the code and Moore was the coward. Too bad for Bert that he's was on his way to be an elite and his career was downhill after this incident.
How many times and how many games does Moore have to pay for? It was over, let it go and play the game. Agree with the original post "cowardly cheap shot"
The problem is that violence as far as i can remember has always been promoted in NHL. Cant tell you how many professional NHL players I seen with missing teeth . Two players go at it , start swinging blows the crowd goes wild , and later no one gets charged and they still continue the game like nothing happened . Put them in the penalty box for a portion of the game then they are free to play the next day. Seriously what makes them think they aent purposely fighting just they can sit in the penalty box all day and not have to put in work the rest of the game .
Can't believe it has been 20 years. I don't condone violence, but I watched hockey for many years and there were definitely worse cases then this. McSorley's stick swing, Domi suckered Niedermayer and Samulsson, etc. I somehow feel Burtuzzi-Moore incident was blown out of proportion. Moore was a marginal player but Burtuzzi was on his way to be a dominant player in the league and sadly his career was derailed by this incident. Criminal charge was a joke. The only person who deserves the criminal charge in hockey is McSorley.
this was just freak accident, guys do the same thing all playoffs long everytime they blow a whistle. bertuzzi is an idiot(runs in the family) but there are way more vicious attacks like stevens on kariya, chara on patchioretty, lemiuex on drapper, mcsorley on brashear, rome on horton, clarke on kharlamov, moore on nasland, bure on churla, messier on take your pick, ect. this one just has bad outcome.
its only the most vicious cos of the injury sustained. anybody remember tie domi sucker punch on ulf samuelson? what if Morgan Rielly broke Ridly Greigs neck?
With the league supposedly trying to crack down on fighting et al, I still can't figure out by what logic Bertuzzi was allowed back into the league. He ended someone's career! FYI: via friends who attended law school, there are professors who use this case to teach about assault.
The league is gradually easing its way back to the pre-Bertuzzi era. So much is tolerated now, and it's an open secret that revenge is how the game is police, not from the odd tap on the wrist from the referees and the ironically named Department of Player Safety.
I agree with you. I am 71 and I never enjoyed watching pro hockey as a young man because there never was a flow - too much fighting. But IMO the Russians taught us how to play hockey, and as a consequence pro hockey became incredibly fun to watch. But whenever I try to watch pro hockey now, I am disappointed. The skill and beauty of the game is not on display. They are going back to the old days I am afraid.
You can't FORCE someone to engage. If that were the case,guys like Tom Wilson,Brad Marchand,Matt Cooke,Sean Avery,Raffi Torres and Matthew Tkachuk would all be in wheelchairs
Those who understand indider hockey, know Todd got a raw deal. A fan, which is actually a fanatic, is to emotional, & bias to make a rational decision over this incident Player's from Colorado didn’t blame Todd.
Classic gaslighting here, folks. First sentence is designed to show he’s an expert, although he can’t state how exactly he’s an expert. Instead, he just proclaims to be “ an insider “. Second statement is designed to demean or reduce the credibility of other commenters by describing them as “fanatics” that are unable to provide a reasonable opinion on the incident in question. The “insider” then makes an absurd claim that he can’t back up, but still presents it as an indisputable truth that cannot be denied. When asked to back it up, “the insider” slithers away or will proclaim they are an expert and the responder is just too simple or emotional to understand
we wish Marty mcsorley did use his stick on donald brashar on feb 21 2000 i was 4 years ago i can't believe what I saw in that game we beat Boston 5-2 but mcsorley got in trouble for use his stick to the head on Donald brashear
It was a hockey play . Moore knew he had a fight coming He had it coming and he should have taken his lumps . There is no way in this world that he meant to injure him like that . He gave him a punch i mean big deal. The guy knocked out falls forward and bertuzzi fell forward with him. We are judging this by the outcome not by basicslly one punch and a fall .
Not even close as far as hockey history goes. Eddie Shack and Larry Zeidel (SP?) used to have stick fights that make this fracas look like patty cakes. Always speculation as to what hurt Moore, the punch or the pileup of players that followed.
Maki died from a malignant brain tumor three years after that stickfight. Green had a skull fracture and brain damage but came back to play and well, in the NHL. .
And Don Cherry should've likened Bertuzzi to the guy who killed John Lennon. He also should've belted out the classic tirade from A Few Good Men. "YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT, HE DID!!!!"
At the time of this incident, and to this day I have no sympathy for Moore. And I never will. This whole situation was blown out of proportion. His actions leading up to the incident was his own doing. And after watching it people can't say beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Todd's fault. In my opinion Moore's neck injury was caused by the pile-up from the players after the punch.
I dont think it was the worse one. Yea it was bad. Majority of his injury was everyone falling on moores face. Worse has to be the Brashear getting slashed in the head with pure wood.
March 8th will be the 20 year anniversary of this incident. Can’t believe it’s already been that long.
Hockey's version of the day John Lennon was brutally murdered.
How are you celebrating?
I know! I remember watching it at a friends house. I think it was a Monday night. I went to Vancouver the next day. The mood was pretty somber.
I would also argue that what Marty McSorley did to Donald Breshear was just as bad, if not worse than this.
Definitely worse! Moores was just very unfortunate
Vicious,but Brashear played about 8 more seasons after that. Moore's career ended that night,and Bertuzzi knew EXACTLY what he was doing,cause Crawford sent him
@@henrymanzano2201 Moore chose to end his career for the lawsuit and purse litigation against Todd, Vancouver, Crawford and anyone else. If he kept playing he’d have no case. Dominic his brother play a long career in the league and made around 10 million, well Steve settled for 70 million. I mean common
@@henrymanzano2201yeah but players like Max Pacioretty broke their neck and were able to play. Steve probably could have played if he wanted and he's able to walk
Marty used his stick as a weapon, which is waaaay worse.
I watched that game live. That was back when you didn’t need some weird TV provider to watch the Avs and I watched every game. I’ll never forget the announcers started yelling and me and my buddy just looked at each other in disbelief. Crazy.
He had no intention of hurting him? ROFL. He had no intention of hurting him that BADLY.
got that right.
@Overonator he just wanted to fight him. The mass majority of fights in hockey end up with very little damage to anybody. That's all that was on Berts mind, a few punches. Certainly nothing like what happened.
His own teammates hurt him if you actually watched the game.
Naslund would've been the first Canuck Art Ross winner that season. The NHL was compliant in creating the situation by their inaction in the first place.
The coward kept running away from the fight, his own coach Granato was ashamed of him and wouldn't let him hide on the bench. The code is the code.
I still think Marty McSorley's hatchet swing with the stick to Donald Brashear's neck while he was skating away from him was way worse.
In physical terms it was, but coward punching someone elicits a visceral reaction. There's something that is infuriating about it.
It's sort of action that demands mob justice. It's the sort of dog act that would have triggered blood feuds back in the day.
It goes against the very ethos of being a man.
@@louiscypher4186 McSorley's was the exact same.
Except he had a weapon in his hands.
That made it way worse.
McSorley deserves jail time.
Most vicious ever?!? What's wrong with "you people." Ignorant NHL fans. Whack on helmet after 20 yr career of being a Marty and all you clowns know is tap.
@@riffgroovea weapon.... Wow. License for hockey sticks now. Go watch nba
Mark Crawford should have been held more accountable.
He's not 1 of my favorites!!
If you're getting mugged and someone puts a gun to your head, do you say 'eerrmmmm that's illegal I won't give you my wallet sir' then turn your back?
Moore won the Darwin award for being the dumbest player to lace them up, I guess they don't teach common sense at Havard.
He didn’t hit anybody lol
@@Matasky2010 he was the one that not only lost control in a revenge situation he actually encouraged it. He is guilty of instigating premeditated assault.
@@toddmurphy390 If Moore wasn't a coward he's wouldn't have to eat baby food for the rest of his life.
As an Av’s fan, it was also pretty boneheaded of Tony Granato not to just take Moore out of the game for the last 10 minutes and I still wonder why he didn’t.
I watched this game on TV and Moore was getting roughed up all game and it kept getting worse and worse. Especially when the Canucks were down by 5. You knew something was going to happen. And obviously it did.
Bertuzzi was relentlessly booed and jeered every single time he played in Denver after that.
Well was Granato supposed to play his top line in a game with a huge lead? No, your going to put your 4th line in to finish a game that you have a big lead in. Just common hockey sense.
@@anthonys3631Exactly. Minus the guy who is actively being head-hunted haha.
Granato played Moore on purpose because he wanted to give him the opportunity to stand up and defend himself. No team wants a guy who can’t stand up for himself when he really needs to. I guess they don’t teach that at Harvard.
@@SirJaymesDAudeléehe already answered the bell and fought Matt Cooke earlier in the game.(Ironically another super dirty player in his own right as a pens fan Ik firsthand) but I guess it wasn’t enough for the Canucks. He should have fought Brad May or Bertuzzi himself right at center ice at the start of the game I feel like that could have prevented what happened as well who knows.
@@jakedasnake7703yeah taking out a superstar means you go through the grinder, unfortunate what happens but Moore was a coward and pussed out.
The league was partly at fault for this incident. If Moore was properly suspended for that initial hit on Naslund, his career wouldn’t have ended so abruptly and Bertuzzi’s reputation wouldn’t have been tarnished. What some people fail to realize is that Moore already fought once earlier in that game. Should have been over after that. Both teams should have just moved on and focused on playing hockey.
Moore skated around like a pussy turning down fights from all the Canucks heavyweights and then jumped Matt Cooke. That isn't how the code works.
The NHL DPS is one of the wildest examples of damage control. That's their job as HR, but I'm sure it bothers more people than me. I'm all in favor for settling it on the ice and backing up your team, but the inconsistency is pretty crazy. As you explained, there has to be a way to turn around that retribution into something better.
Loserrrrrr🤡
As is happening today, particularly in the tolerance of players like Cousins of Florida, if you don't punish the first violent act, you will surely get an even more violent response. I think, though, that Bettman knows that many people watch the NHL for a similar reason they watch NASCAR: to see explosions of violence and the occasional serious injury.
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The dogpile the persued after is where the majority of damage took place.
Your saying that as if he wasn't clocked and slammed head first into ice before any of that happened.
@Nickh4929 Yeah, but that alone wouldn't cause all the excessive damage.
@Nickh4929 umm actually he/she made a comment. You are the one insinuating his/her intentions beyond that comment. Just like I COULD insinuate that your comment is implying the pile on was no big deal. Perhaps it's best to comment on words used and not pretend like you know the person and what their mind thinks.
Thanks Doctor
Yup Avalanche fans are too delusional to realize this.
Todd Bertuzzi: "I'm going to end someone's career today".
Tom Wilson: "hold my beer ".
NHL Player Safety: "everything looks good here".
Ulf Samuelsson on Cam Neely was pretty dirty as I recall it
Yeah, that one looks extremely painful, and sadly severely hampered Neelys career
This was not the most vicious attack in NHL history . There have been many worse.
Crocodile tears. He threatened to badly hurt him, then he badly hurt him. It wasn't during a play, there was no provocation, there was no excuse. It was a premeditated and serious assault causing grievous injury. He should be in prison.
GFY!
B.S that wasn't a hard punch but he went limp thus injuring himself he could've turtle like the coward he was and after I could've been still blind siding hits to nhl stars total coward moore
This was not the most violent incident in hockey. What about McScorley's two-handed slash to Brashear head??
He said ONE of the most. Try listening next time
Matt Cooke handled the Situation ironically enough the best way, then it got really awful
Cooke was a small guy, scrappy af yes, but much smaller than Moore so that’s why Moore accepted that fight hoping he could avoid the larger guys that were challenging him so no, it wasn’t even close to being enough. Moore tried to duck and run from the true retribution he deserved and it eventually cost him his career.
I have zero sympathy for Moore to this day, karma eventually got him IMO, and nothing but love and respect for Bertuzzi and the West Coast Express. Hope Big Bert is his having a good retirement.
@@Pinkz604 Moore was listed at 6’2” 210lbs. Cooke listed at 5’11” 208lbs. It was hardly a mismatch…
imo it should’ve ended there but I’m not really emotionally invested in this situation either way. Moore laid an incredibly dirty hit even by 2004 standards, which is really saying something.
If anything I blame the coach for not benching Moore and the NHL not handing down any consequences for the hit on Naslund.
@@impulse_xs we can agree to disagree on a few things but 6’2 taking on 5’11 is still a notable size difference, especially for reach. Let’s also not forget how the 6’2 cheap shot artist refused to fight Brad May and Todd Bertuzzi but chose to fight the 5’11 dude that wasn’t even challenging him instead. So naturally, it wasn’t going to end there, especially given the era of badass, violent hockey that the league allowed at the time where nearly every team had about 1-3 OG goons on it.
Had he been a man and stepped up to the plate against the bigger boys his size and taken the beats he deserved, then it would have ended there and maybe he would have had a full career. If a clown fucks with a star’s career in a dirty way and don’t step up to the plate after, it could cost that clown their career a la Cheap Shot Moore. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@@impulse_xsif you know Matt Cooke you know he’s 5’9 on his best day. Moore was around 6’1. Their listings don’t matter, players and trainers submit them in training camp.
Just a reminder that this what happens when 2 teams play each other 6-8 times in a single season. No specific point that I’m trying to make, just remembered the days when you could play a divisional opponent more times than a 7-game play off series throughout a season 😂
i remember watch that game on tv i was 8 years old when bertuzzi got mad at Steve moore
For Bertuzzi to say he never meant to hurt Moore is incredibly disingenuous. He sucker punched him from behind and drove his head into the ice. What exactly did he mean to do?
Did he mean to hurt Näslund?
Old time hockey boys
Rocket Richard once broke 4 hockey sticks over another player. I would imagine that was pretty brutal.
Nobody sucker punches someone without the intent to seriously hurt them. Bertuzzi should’ve have ever been allowed to play again at any level for that chicken shit move
Calling BS on Bertuzzi's apology, he had every intention of hurting Moore... just not as seriously as it turned out.
I remember watching that game on TV and yeah, everyone in the room got really quiet.
20 years ago we wish todd bertuzzi did hit steve moore i was 8 years old when I saw it on tv and steve moore did play in the NHL again we lost to the Colorado 9-2
Did you even watch the video? Did you have a stroke typing that?
McSorely on Brasher was worse.
Crawford fanned the flames
We all just gonna ignore the plate in Ted Greens head over a stick swinging incident with Wayne Maki? That’s the most brutal play to date other than the murderous kicking incident.
The irony that part of the reason Bertuzzi was ever allowed to play again "Significant uncertainty, anxiety, stress and emotional pain caused to Bertuzzi's family" dude committed a crime "Significant uncertainty, anxiety, stress and emotional pain pales in comparison to what Moore got.... Another irony is that even with the clear intentional of the action leading up to & during the attack Bertuzzi nor the coach who claimed a hit on moore or team itself ever faced jail let alone paid any serious amount of punishment to Moore.
It was assault at best, that's why nothing criminal was pursued. Fuck, McSorely's hit on Bashere was assault with a weapon with 20k+ witnesses and he wasn't charged criminally.
Didn't he win millions, and Bert had to pay it?
@@sportsfix6975 Even if so what good does millions do if your not able to enjoy it. The attack or the hit cost him his career & I believe he still suffers headaches & vertigo & other lingering issues. It's not quite as bad maybe as being paralized or killed say in a DUI or car accident but Vertigo Migraines & vision issues suck let alone never being able to enjoy playing what you loved or teach it to your kids. Also he was already pretty wealthy I think from being able to play Pro hockey I'm sure he'd give up being wealthier to be able to have the life he had upto the attack/hit but I'm not him so can't say for sure. I know it's believed to have physically & mentally affected his life & quality of live even maybe years off his life who knows. Still I'd bet he'd gladly give up all the money he got to have his life back to before the hit. I think in his spot I would. I was in a car accident & got some money out of it because it was caused by a Drunk semi Truck driver who ran a red light & busted my leg in several places & while i'd gladly give the money back to not have the knee issues I do still have especially in colder weather.
@@craighanson-rc1md you forget he concussed Naslund first. He brought it on himself
@@sportsfix6975 Look at the Naslund hit it wasn't intentional there's no justification in cheap-shotting a guy from behind literally. I'm not say it was a clean hit or that someone didn't deserve to hit or fight over the Naslund hit but it wasn't intention like Bertuzzi's & it wasn't from behind. The Naslund hit was from the side. It's a rough sport but cheap shots are never justified.
Bertuzzi should have never been allowed to lace em up in the NHL again after that.
I’m I the only one who was shocked to hear that he played for NINE more years? I thought that he was out of the league by 07-08 haha
Satisfaction is a good teacher
Ive always thought when a dirty play ends in injury the instigator should be suspended for the duration of the injury.
At least he didn't kick him in the throat!😳
Most vicious attack lol. McSorley on Brashear
Anybody that puts himself in the position Naslund did is risking getting lit up, that was silly. Any competitive hockey player will agree.
He had his glove on when he hit him. I think in his mind he had no thought it would lead to what it did. Bad choice which is why fighting in the NHL is typically 2 willing combatants. And that should stay in the game. Key world willing
I'm from Australia, and so know nothing about ice hockey. The fighting to me is kind of bizarre. I see a lot of comments on these videos that fighting is part of the game. Just curious, do kids playing in the junior leagues get encouraged to fight during their games? And would the sport be ruined if fighting was banned altogether?
Yes and yes. Have a nice day.
Its only in canada they fight, thus its a canadian phenomenon, nowhere else do they consider fighting a part of the game.
No, it was mcsorley on brashear
That is why Bertuzzi nephew is booed by Avs fans to this day. It doesn't matter which team he plays for..
Ended Naslunds career
Anyone who thinks this was the most "vicious" attack in NHL history didn't grow up watching the game.
Only losers jealous of vancouver think that
Ummmm pretty sure the fatal karate kit to Adam Johnsons neck was worse...
@@sportsfix6975 True, but that didn't happen in the NHL.
@@xboxrules8472 true...
Bill Masterton literally died after a game....
Google Ted Green and Wayne Maki
"Maki had gotten up and swung his stick and with the heel of his stick, struck Green on the right temple.
It wasn’t quite evident right away, but that blow had crushed part of his skull and left Green partially paralyzed, and immediately caused his speech to be slurred.
Green, while his body was convulsing, tried to get up but was unable to do so."
Idk which beetuzzi sucks more. This one or his newphew.
I watch all 3 games in question live on television. I asked some of the same questions brought up here. Why did Vancouver wait so long to retaliate? Because at first, they didn't know how long Naslund would be out. When they found out he'd miss considerable time, they definitely wanted revenge. But they wanted to do it in front of their home fans and not in a game in Denver where they were getting blown out. Ok, fine. I lay a lot of the blame on Crawford and Brad May who stoked the fires of the team and fans, basically making way more out of the Moore hit than it really was. Yes, it was a careless hit but never intended to injure Naslund. Moore had absolutely no history of cheap shot injuries in the NHL or minor league level. It was clear to me that for Vancouver, and particularly Bertuzzi, fighting Moore that night wasn't enough. He wanted to injure him as payback. Why May or Bertuzzi weren't the ones to fight him in the first place, I have no idea. But we all thought it was over after that.
i remember watching this game live cuz i knew canucks were gonna get revenge. what do you expect moore? going after our captain
Look up the cheap shot attack on Henry Boucha when he played for the Minnesota North Stars by Dave Forbes of the Boston Bruins. It was way more disturbing than the Bertuzzi/Moore incident.
Bob Proebert was the all time beast. RIP
Destroyed the canucks for years.
Shane pinto had 41 games after this
Moores hit on naslund was dirty but dirty hits happen all the time, and nothing justifies berts reaction. Fight the guy kick his ass but dont sucker punch him from behind! Say what u want about cooke another dirty hitter but at lesst cooker fought him face to face.
Naslund had his head down
@@lightdestructions i wont deny that but it wasnt the same kind of head down as lindros. Nassy was over extending himself reaching. He did put himself in a vulnerable position and moores hit was very unnessary and deserved retribution just not the kind bert had in mind.
Nobody would hit Gretzky like that theyd just worry about getting the puck. Not comparing the 2 but nassy was the league leader in points at the time or in the season prior.
@@lightdestructions so did horton
@@drumagus2258 the difference is that Aaron Rome lunged at Horton head
@@lightdestructionsyour a you no what smh!
I'm hoping Ron Maclean bring this up on HNIC the day after the anniversary. "I'm sure hoping that Trudeau should pay tribute to Bertuzzi for his contributions to the game, but Moore's fans likened him to the guy who killed John Lennon. Imagine there's no violence in hockey."
McSorley on Brashear, Ferguson on Nesterenko, Maki on Green, Hunter on Turgeon and Shore on Bailey come to mind as worse than this.
you're right, and prouve only one thing, NHL is a garage league, monkee buisness & spécialy a bananas républik, that's it's & that's all.
No no The 70s had the Toughest most vicious players😊😂😊
Stanley Cups Won:
Colorado: 3
Vancouver: 0
The cup don't lie
I remember this but I don’t remember the cheap shot that lead to this, if you’re going to lay a cheap shot, you don’t skate away even weeks later from a guy wanting to fight you over it, turn around and drop the gloves or don’t be a cheap shot artist!
I think that guy that kicked that one player in the throat with his skate and killed him is way worse then this
The media is keeping this alive, every one else moved on. Including Moore...
Can't help but feel that if he'd just dropped the gloves with Brad May (his first challenger that night, and oddly not in this vid) everyone would have moved on. Instead he waited to fight the smaller, non-fighter Matt Cooke, and got the better of him, which seemed to inflame the situation to an unfortunately high degree.
MacSorley's high stick to Brashear was much more vicious.
It isn't coincidence that Crawford was involved in those two dirty series with Wings-Avs and Canucks -Avs.
Is there different rules for a leading scorer? Why does that matter?
Because the incentive exists to send an AHL'r goon to take out a star with really no consequence to the team.
Naslund never recovered from that concussion, and his production dropped hugely.
So did the NHL learn from this? I watched a couple of games recently, and everyone just ealivates over the violence. The giant rookie on the Rangers- basically just fights - and teams try to hurt Connor Bedard.
The fact that Bertuzzi was allowed to play in the NHL again is unbelievable. He ended Moore's career and only got suspended for a season that never happened
You're a fan that's why you will never understand insider hockey.
If Steve was able to play hockey again; no team would take him.
Moore ended Moores career by taking a $70M USD settlement with the language that he could never play in the NHL again.
@@Ispy10101 The settlement was signed in 2014, ten years after the incident. Moore never played another game, and was 36 years old when the settlement was reached.
@@Ispy10101 Seventy million?!?! There is no way he got that much. It was never revealed.
People are trying to excuse bertuzzi for a blatant cheap shot 20 years after the fact and that is hilarious to me. Wasn't even a super dirty hit on naslund he was on 2 knees when the hit was made how do you avoid head contact in that instance?
Moore intentionally hit Naslund in the head. Naslund was reaching for the puck with his head out, and then he pulls his head back to the point where Moore would have to go out of his way to hit Naslund in the head, and he went for the headshot anyway because he had already made up his mind.
@@KINGPOOPShahahahahaha what fucking joke.
Great video. Good content, well researched and reported. And I know you all are told to keep energy up in media school and everything...but why are you yelling at me, bro? The whole video, just shouting at me.
Bertuzzi should have been charged and sent to jail...this was not a hockey play.
I have seen many incidents in a hockey game . Where exactly the same thing happened to another player. The guys didn't even get a suspension. If moore didn't get injured from that play it wouldn't even be that big of a deal.
No Crawford!!!
Bertuzzi broke every code there is with that cowardly cheap shot.
@pdubb4 no he didn't. Bertuzzi was challenging him the entire game. Moore wouldn't stick to code and "answer the bell".
@@steve8803so you’re just gonna pretend the Cooke fight never happened, huh? Ridiculous
Fuck steeve moore he got wat he deserved career ended beettuzzi still went on to make millions
Don't agree. Bertuzzi was playing by the code and Moore was the coward. Too bad for Bert that he's was on his way to be an elite and his career was downhill after this incident.
How many times and how many games does Moore have to pay for? It was over, let it go and play the game. Agree with the original post "cowardly cheap shot"
The end result was horrific. The worst I have seen was McSorely swinging his stick at Brashear.
The problem is that violence as far as i can remember has always been promoted in NHL.
Cant tell you how many professional NHL players I seen with missing teeth .
Two players go at it , start swinging blows the crowd goes wild , and later no one gets charged and they still continue the game like nothing happened .
Put them in the penalty box for a portion of the game then they are free to play the next day.
Seriously what makes them think they aent purposely fighting just they can sit in the penalty box all day and not have to put in work the rest of the game .
Can't believe it has been 20 years. I don't condone violence, but I watched hockey for many years and there were definitely worse cases then this. McSorley's stick swing, Domi suckered Niedermayer and Samulsson, etc. I somehow feel Burtuzzi-Moore incident was blown out of proportion. Moore was a marginal player but Burtuzzi was on his way to be a dominant player in the league and sadly his career was derailed by this incident. Criminal charge was a joke. The only person who deserves the criminal charge in hockey is McSorley.
I never heard the full story of this, awesome breakdown. Another sick vid Jonah & Team
Appreciate you, Alex! Thanks for watching!
You still have not heard the full story.
Steve Moore is not given any criticism in this video, nor is THE LEAGUE.
this was just freak accident, guys do the same thing all playoffs long everytime they blow a whistle. bertuzzi is an idiot(runs in the family) but there are way more vicious attacks like stevens on kariya, chara on patchioretty, lemiuex on drapper, mcsorley on brashear, rome on horton, clarke on kharlamov, moore on nasland, bure on churla, messier on take your pick, ect. this one just has bad outcome.
That’s my hockey coach he now has a son named Hayden he coaches my team the oakville rangers AA
its only the most vicious cos of the injury sustained. anybody remember tie domi sucker punch on ulf samuelson? what if Morgan Rielly broke Ridly Greigs neck?
so did moore btw
With the league supposedly trying to crack down on fighting et al, I still can't figure out by what logic Bertuzzi was allowed back into the league. He ended someone's career!
FYI: via friends who attended law school, there are professors who use this case to teach about assault.
The league is gradually easing its way back to the pre-Bertuzzi era. So much is tolerated now, and it's an open secret that revenge is how the game is police, not from the odd tap on the wrist from the referees and the ironically named Department of Player Safety.
I agree with you. I am 71 and I never enjoyed watching pro hockey as a young man because there never was a flow - too much fighting. But IMO the Russians taught us how to play hockey, and as a consequence pro hockey became incredibly fun to watch. But whenever I try to watch pro hockey now, I am disappointed. The skill and beauty of the game is not on display. They are going back to the old days I am afraid.
You punched him in the head and slammed him to the ice. You didn't mean to hurt him? Bertuzzi should have been banned for life from the NHL.
Being judged on the outcome not the action. We regularly see checks from behind into the boards that are way more dangerous.
If you think that was the most violent thing in hockey, you don’t know hockey and have no business making videos about it.
I'm soo happy Bertuzzi (and every Canuck involved) never won a Cup! He's a criminal, and deserved jail time!!
And plus before Steve Moore hit Naslund in the head Naslund had his head down so that’s not Steve Moores fault
Even Grapes should've likened Bertuzzi to the guy who killed John Lennon or a NAZI KOOK.
Fu
Your a soft snowflake
Calm down...
You can't FORCE someone to engage. If that were the case,guys like Tom Wilson,Brad Marchand,Matt Cooke,Sean Avery,Raffi Torres and Matthew Tkachuk would all be in wheelchairs
People have eyeballs
He didn’t use his stake as a weapon to slash a dude’s throat.
One of the few times you do a video on hockey it has to be one of the worst and most embarrassing. Thanks. 👍
Brian Burke should have been arrested as well, he went down to the dressing room and demanded that that kid be hurt..
Moore dropped the gloves after the incident. Cowardly to sucker punch him from behind.
Those who understand indider hockey, know Todd got a raw deal.
A fan, which is actually a fanatic, is to emotional, & bias to make a rational decision over this incident
Player's from Colorado didn’t blame Todd.
Name them
Classic gaslighting here, folks. First sentence is designed to show he’s an expert, although he can’t state how exactly he’s an expert. Instead, he just proclaims to be “ an insider “. Second statement is designed to demean or reduce the credibility of other commenters by describing them as “fanatics” that are unable to provide a reasonable opinion on the incident in question. The “insider” then makes an absurd claim that he can’t back up, but still presents it as an indisputable truth that cannot be denied. When asked to back it up, “the insider” slithers away or will proclaim they are an expert and the responder is just too simple or emotional to understand
we wish Marty mcsorley did use his stick on donald brashar on feb 21 2000 i was 4 years ago i can't believe what I saw in that game we beat Boston 5-2 but mcsorley got in trouble for use his stick to the head on Donald brashear
Marty McSorley hit someone in the head with his stick (on purpose), and you call the Burtuzzi incident "the most vicious". Gimme a break.
What about the guy that was killed this season?
As a Wings Fan there was nothing more disgusting than seeing Bertuzzi in a Wings jersey. Bertuzzi, like McSorely, should never have played again.
It was a hockey play . Moore knew he had a fight coming
He had it coming and he should have taken his lumps .
There is no way in this world that he meant to injure him like that .
He gave him a punch i mean big deal. The guy knocked out falls forward and bertuzzi fell forward with him.
We are judging this by the outcome not by basicslly one punch and a fall .
Not even close as far as hockey history goes. Eddie Shack and Larry Zeidel (SP?) used to have stick fights that make this fracas look like patty cakes. Always speculation as to what hurt Moore, the punch or the pileup of players that followed.
Yeah, they had cuts on their faces and heads that made them look like they had been an a knife fight
So glad the Isles traded him.
thx for taking Bo horvat off our hands from Vancouver.
@@anthonys3631 30 goal scorer for Beauviller who's already been traded away. You're more than welcome.
@@anthonys3631 A 30 goal, 70 point player for Anthony Beauviller(who Vancouver has already traded for a 5th round pick). You're more then welcome. 🙂
Absolutely 100% should have been put in jail for a very long time
Wayne Maki and Ted Greene stick swinging and landing incidents was much worse . Wayne Maki eventually died of his injuries I believe .
Maki died from a malignant brain tumor three years after that stickfight. Green had a skull fracture and brain damage but came back to play and well, in the NHL. .
McSorley on Brasher was way worse... It involved a weapon...
thats hockey
BERTUZZI SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE.
And Don Cherry should've likened Bertuzzi to the guy who killed John Lennon. He also should've belted out the classic tirade from A Few Good Men. "YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT, HE DID!!!!"
@@PatFrenchLeafsFan1 WHAT THE HELL IS BURIED IN YOUR ASS MAN?!
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At the time of this incident, and to this day I have no sympathy for Moore. And I never will. This whole situation was blown out of proportion. His actions leading up to the incident was his own doing. And after watching it people can't say beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Todd's fault. In my opinion Moore's neck injury was caused by the pile-up from the players after the punch.
I dont think it was the worse one. Yea it was bad. Majority of his injury was everyone falling on moores face. Worse has to be the Brashear getting slashed in the head with pure wood.