00:14 - Tone I 00:55 - Tone II 01:59 - Tone II* 02:51 - Tone III (newer version) 03:06 - Tone III (older version) 03:56 - Tone IV 04:43 - Tone IV* 05:27 - Tone V 06:12 - Tone VI 07:33 - Tone VII 08:26 - Tone VIII 09:17 - Tone C 09:59 - Tone D 10:43 - Tone E 11:21 - Tonus Peregrinus Main sources (12:09): Antiphonale Monasticum (1934); Antiphonale Monasticum (2005)
The text he's chanting: Primus/Secundus/etc. Modus sic incipitur, et sic flectitur, et sic mediatur: Atque sic finitur. Dixit Dominus Domino meo:, Sede a dextris meis, donec ponam inimicos tuos scabellum pedum tuorum. Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto: Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in sæcula sæculorum. Amen.
Thank you so much, Father! I have iMass on my phone, which helps a great deal with finding the prayers I need, but I've also a horrible auditory memory. :) Gratias tibi
how could I choose the correct mode to each psalm? I tried to find it on internet but I didn't found anything. Could you show how to apply the tone on the psalm? Thank's for your time fr. Christopher Gray
If you're using the Liber, the Liber Usualis will tell you the tone next to the proper/antiphon by a number. To learn the notation of the tones, its usually listed in front of the liber. Not sure what youre using to chant but hopefully that helps, although I'm 5 years late lol
Where can I see the texts of the antiphons you are using? I am trying to chant with you here to learn but it would be helpful if I could see the words as well. Thank you!.
EvocatusX None of them have solemn mediations. All are used on ferias and feasts, so they are not merely ferial. All of them are melodic, so none of them are recto tono.
Why in the world do you pause for a lifetime half-verse but not pause at all between verses? It sounds TERRIBLE. Is it a prescribed rule in the Solesmes service books? I've heard other choirs do it too.
Coemgenus Kevin, in a large monastic choir the pause between the first and second hemistychs allows everyone to catch their place and other operations to occur, like sitting and standing. Generally, Psalmic chanting follows an unspoken rhythmic convention: 3 beats sung, 2 beats rest, 3 beats sung. As for why a single person chanting would follow this accommodating rule meant to assist large choirs, one would have to respond in such a way that would bring to the discussion the choirs of saints and angels who are singing along with you even if you can't hear them. Likewise, it is always important for the same reason to make sure that one's voice is always fit for such choirs.
Fr, thank you for the explanation! I forgot about the sitting/standing for the Gloria. The mediant pause sounds to me unusually long, perhaps because the lack of pause between verses highlights it. Can you elaborate on the 3 beats sung, 2 beats rest?
I love the idea of singing the psalms but if it has to be done in a dead language than it's not practical for the church today. gregorian chant should be westernized and modernized.
Latin is only dead if we let it die. The Gregorian chants powerfully blend the melody with the sounds of the words being chanted. If you change the words by translating the text, much is lost. Beyond this, it is an unspeakably great treasure for the Church, to have a language stretching back to the Apostles' time. It maintains a continuity of doctrine in the Church. English, as a commonly spoken language, is always changing. Not that long ago, the word "indifferent" meant "impartial," now it means "not caring." But the meaning of Latin stays the same, so the theological content of the Church's documents, liturgy, etc., is not threatened with misunderstanding through constant change over the centuries. Plus, it's good for your brain to learn Latin, and opens an whole world of texts and culture to you. Rather than sit back and wait for the world to come to you in microwaveable, English form, go out there and fight the good fight for self-improvement and the preservation of your heritage!
That's pretty common in the Episcopal Church, actually. Personally, I like both in different ways. The one thing I can't stand is people confusing their preferences with Sacred Truth.
"Latin is only dead if we let it die." No, the fact that it's a dead language is a matter of fact. No native speakers. It has nothing to do with an act of the will. That doesn't mean it isn't beautiful or useful to learn. It is. But it's just a language.
It's not a dead language but a liturgical language. First off there are venucular chants if you prefer, but some prefer the Latin. One benefit of the Latin is that historically it has been a second language that unites Western Europe so that you can celebrate the Mass and know how whichever country you go to. Latin is Western, so I don't know what you mean by that. If you like English chants, check out Anglican style chants perhaps.
00:14 - Tone I
00:55 - Tone II
01:59 - Tone II*
02:51 - Tone III (newer version)
03:06 - Tone III (older version)
03:56 - Tone IV
04:43 - Tone IV*
05:27 - Tone V
06:12 - Tone VI
07:33 - Tone VII
08:26 - Tone VIII
09:17 - Tone C
09:59 - Tone D
10:43 - Tone E
11:21 - Tonus Peregrinus
Main sources (12:09): Antiphonale Monasticum (1934); Antiphonale Monasticum (2005)
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The text he's chanting:
Primus/Secundus/etc. Modus sic incipitur,
et sic flectitur, et sic mediatur:
Atque sic finitur.
Dixit Dominus Domino meo:,
Sede a dextris meis,
donec ponam inimicos tuos
scabellum pedum tuorum.
Gloria Patri, et Filio,
et Spiritui Sancto:
Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper,
et in sæcula sæculorum. Amen.
Thank you very much!
Thank you! What a beautiful voice. Praise God
Oh... I did enjoy! And I'll be sharing this video. Thanking Gxd, for you!
Thank you very much for this video. It is very helpful🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you so much, Father! I have iMass on my phone, which helps a great deal with finding the prayers I need, but I've also a horrible auditory memory. :) Gratias tibi
This was very helpful, thank you!
Thank you very much! My favorite tone is this one: 7:25
how could I choose the correct mode to each psalm? I tried to find it on internet but I didn't found anything.
Could you show how to apply the tone on the psalm? Thank's for your time fr. Christopher Gray
Having visited a benedictine hermit for almost a week, the only way knowing seems to be to live in a monastery for a decade.
If you're using the Liber, the Liber Usualis will tell you the tone next to the proper/antiphon by a number. To learn the notation of the tones, its usually listed in front of the liber. Not sure what youre using to chant but hopefully that helps, although I'm 5 years late lol
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latin its the church's language.
This is really good--thanks for posting.
very helpful thank you!
That Tone II* sounds just like what I have as IV-A in my sheet. Is there a difference?
Peace comes by singing slowly and breathing with pauses. Calma...
Thank you :-)
thank you!
0:14 First Tone
0:55 Second Tone
Where can I see the texts of the antiphons you are using? I am trying to chant with you here to learn but it would be helpful if I could see the words as well. Thank you!.
Good
Could you post a PDF of the eight tones in modern notation?
I do not fear Tone E
No distinct names given (Recto Tono, Ferial, Ad Libitum Solemn, etc.)?
EvocatusX None of them have solemn mediations. All are used on ferias and feasts, so they are not merely ferial. All of them are melodic, so none of them are recto tono.
Bookmark for myself: 8:25
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Can't he sing any faster?
Why in the world do you pause for a lifetime half-verse but not pause at all between verses? It sounds TERRIBLE. Is it a prescribed rule in the Solesmes service books? I've heard other choirs do it too.
Coemgenus Kevin, in a large monastic choir the pause between the first and second hemistychs allows everyone to catch their place and other operations to occur, like sitting and standing. Generally, Psalmic chanting follows an unspoken rhythmic convention: 3 beats sung, 2 beats rest, 3 beats sung. As for why a single person chanting would follow this accommodating rule meant to assist large choirs, one would have to respond in such a way that would bring to the discussion the choirs of saints and angels who are singing along with you even if you can't hear them. Likewise, it is always important for the same reason to make sure that one's voice is always fit for such choirs.
Fr, thank you for the explanation! I forgot about the sitting/standing for the Gloria. The mediant pause sounds to me unusually long, perhaps because the lack of pause between verses highlights it. Can you elaborate on the 3 beats sung, 2 beats rest?
Dude. You have to chant them in latin?
There are non-Latin chants if you prefer.
I love the idea of singing the psalms but if it has to be done in a dead language than it's not practical for the church today. gregorian chant should be westernized and modernized.
Latin is only dead if we let it die. The Gregorian chants powerfully blend the melody with the sounds of the words being chanted. If you change the words by translating the text, much is lost. Beyond this, it is an unspeakably great treasure for the Church, to have a language stretching back to the Apostles' time. It maintains a continuity of doctrine in the Church. English, as a commonly spoken language, is always changing. Not that long ago, the word "indifferent" meant "impartial," now it means "not caring." But the meaning of Latin stays the same, so the theological content of the Church's documents, liturgy, etc., is not threatened with misunderstanding through constant change over the centuries. Plus, it's good for your brain to learn Latin, and opens an whole world of texts and culture to you. Rather than sit back and wait for the world to come to you in microwaveable, English form, go out there and fight the good fight for self-improvement and the preservation of your heritage!
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That's pretty common in the Episcopal Church, actually. Personally, I like both in different ways. The one thing I can't stand is people confusing their preferences with Sacred Truth.
"Latin is only dead if we let it die."
No, the fact that it's a dead language is a matter of fact. No native speakers. It has nothing to do with an act of the will.
That doesn't mean it isn't beautiful or useful to learn. It is. But it's just a language.
It's not a dead language but a liturgical language. First off there are venucular chants if you prefer, but some prefer the Latin. One benefit of the Latin is that historically it has been a second language that unites Western Europe so that you can celebrate the Mass and know how whichever country you go to. Latin is Western, so I don't know what you mean by that. If you like English chants, check out Anglican style chants perhaps.