Love Toss Sauce. The way that man and his family are elevating that brand is the epitome of the American Dream. If you want something Cheaper go vinegar. But I have no problem supporting Toss Sauce, standing behind them as a company and recommending anyone to use them.
Been meaning to do this with actual bags for the last 11 months. Just dawned on mye that it can be done without making bags and just using the fabrics, and going by feel. Then put the best feeling sides together and try to replicate the feel as a finished bag. Great video Mike!
Couldn't you just take the template cuts and break them in before assembling the bags together? before or after sublimation? Or do you think this will cause a problem during stitching since the material would be softer?
Machine wash tap cold delicate setting. They will feel better immediately. Then toss sauce, rinse, and machine wash cold again. Air dry with a fan. Carpet, fast, hybrid, doesnt matter they will be money. Also thanks for all your hard work on this Mike. That must have been a lot of hours spent on this experiment! Kudos to you
Great video and awesome work!! I use distilled white vinegar soak and then after the rinse to dry faster I use an XL water absorber chamois and then they air dry good.. Works great for cleaning with Dawn as well to not get over used on older bags. I wear hats and to clean them I use oxiclean because it breaks down the oils from skin..so with bags that have absorbed a lot of sweat I clean and soak a few minutes with oxiclean and then rinse and then 1 wash with Dawn to get the oxiclean out and then rinse very well. I feel the oils from our skin also slow a bag down from its true speed over time. This is what seems to work for me.
I'm glad you made this video. I just bought Fire Heat bags and was wondering how to break them in. Method I'm using to break them in is by throwing them as much as possible for an hour or more
Thank you for this video Mike! Really appreciate the information you are sharing to the community, helps out a lot of people like myself who are always trying to get more into the game!
I use white vinegar in the washer with the bags and a couple towels just put the vinegar where the fabric softener supposed to go and it works great! Doesn’t alter material but loosens up nicely. We actually don’t use fabric softener anymore to wash clothes just the white vinegar
Great review, Mike, we can always trust you to be honest with your opinion in your experience, you are definitely the go to guy when it comes to purchasing bags and breaking in bags. Thanks again.
Great video I know it took tons of time to make it...I use toss sauce carpet muncher on all my bags and I really love it...I was just wondering how the Nuked compared to carpet muncher?? Thank aging for everthang you do for the cornhole community keep up the great work
The Nuked is just a stronger version of the Carpet Muncher. Toss Sauce has three different strengths of their product - OG, Carpet Muncher, Nuked. It just depends on how floppy and how broke in you want your bags to be.
If my bags already soft, I just throw it. I use the vinegar if it's stiff brand new. I followed the video you did on vinegar break in for my coyotes, and threw them for a few days to break in the beads. Good enough for me. I have vinegar in the kitchen, no need to buy anything extra. I'm paranoid with dryers so I sun/air dry it. Once my bags get dirty I eventually do wash it with soap tho
Like a good recipe, it’s not the ingredients, rather the method that makes the dish. I could give you all the ingredients to a good Louisiana Gumbo or Jambalaya, but you would not succeed without the method. This was a great “scientific method” type experiment with similar results, however your conclusion is everything!! It’s better to break in bags rather than just throw. Thanks Mike!!
I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!!! Thank you for such an extensive, in dept, time exhausting review. Your honesty and dedication in everything you do is amazing and truly appreciated. I use your white vinegar method because it is cheap and easy to do. Keep up the hair work.
Be very careful and sparing with the vinegar you can always add more, but start with a third or a quarter cup do the whole process including drying and then try it out there is no coming back from too much vinegar. Your bags will be too loose. but, in my humble experience vinegar has been the best it leaves no residue smell and it’s not a chemical, but please be sparingly take your time
i tried alot of methods but the one works the best for me is just a warm water soak and tumble low heat. it breaks it in enough just to where you can throw the rest to break in.
Thanks for the video Mike, although you may not feel it was a definitive result, it was clearly definitive to me… Doesn’t matter what you use as long as you use something- something is better than nothing. As for throwing to break in, most of us don’t have the time to throw a crappy performing bag for an unknown number of hours to get it to play like we want. Any shortcut is worth it to me, and there is no doubt that throwing the bag decreases its lifespan- how much is the first question, and does it really matter is the second question. A great feeling, great playing bag is what is most important.
Great insights! I have all three toss sauces that just came in last week. Prior to that I was a hot water soak and massage guy followed by a couple tumble in the dryer no heat. *******question: what microphone receiver/transmitter brand do you use for all your vids? P.S the sound quality is great. We’re setting up a new league and considering doing a progressive airmail hype video each week at our venue.
The mic I use now is the AnkorWork M650. Adobe has software that you can run your audio through, and it will remove echos and clean it up. Go to podcast.adobe.com/enhance The basic version is free, but you can pay if you want more control over it.
No I didn't notice any. However, I was only throwing one bag at a time so it was hard to compare the bag speeds. None of them stood out to me as being faster or slower than the others.
Do you have a video on how to throw straight, or properly? Like a video behind you showing where your arms supposed to be pointed or something like that. Thank you.
One thing I wish you mention is the Time of each break-in method...Like which one took the longest, per instructions, and which one was the quickest...or even say what was the cheapest..even though we know Vinegar would be. Do you feel any of the methods change the speed of the bags? See now, like you mention, I don't like Toss Sauce, but my friends do..I have used it and I don't think it does anything more than washing them with Dawn Soap. I Have Wrinkle Guard and many people loved their bags when I did them for them. They tell me they don't feel any residue and that could be cause I will do a 2nd Hot washer rinse with them with either Vinegar or Micro Fiber Towel wash. I also don't like to put them in the dryer, with heat or none. I let them air dry or put them on the AC Condenser unit and let the fans air dry them.. For me, I have found that putting them in the dryer has cause my bags to pill a little as with my friends. But now that you can't buy no sent Wrinkle Guard, I been playing with a more commercial product called PROSoft K...This product is suppose to remove the stiffness of shirt from tie dying without leaving any residue. The big thing also, every bag breaks in different!! So you can't do the same process for every type of bag material. My Fall-X were stiff like cardboard! and came out great..but my Titan Ravage Fury, came out really floppy. So you have to use your judgment based on how the bag is new like you mention. Great job and I know how pain staking doing something like this can be!
The reason I didn't mention any of those things was because it wasn't the point of the video. I documented all of that when I did my experiment earlier this year. What I found out was all of the methods worked about the same, except for the just throw it. So it's all about personal preference and what method you prefer. For example, I love the way the bag feels after I use Toss Sauce. However, you don't and that's OK. I may not like the way the bags feel after you use your method. In the end, after you throw the bags for a few hours, they all feel the same. That was the point I was trying to get across in the video. I wasn't trying to go into details about each method. To answer your questions, the shaving cream is the longest. Toss Sauce is the quickest. Fabric Softener is the cheapest. Ultra's kit is the most expensive.
Next time I’d like to see the comparison between using these beak in methods and then parking a car on top of the bags overnight. I’m curious to see if it does actually help. Or maybe just a cinder block on each bag to be safe lol
Amazing video and such a thorough test! Just watched your white vinegar video after this. Side note, do you think the speed rating on the PROWLERS is accurate at a 4/6 and is it the same material on the Titan Talons? I own a set and see different ratings out there, so was just wondering.
Have you tried the bleach method? Most people are scared to try it, but I love it because you don't have to do anything but throw them in the washer and then the dryer.
do you put your bags in any sort of bag then throw them in the dryer I got a older dryer and it has like a metal grate where the heat comes from and I am not sure if that could snag the bag or not
I don't put mine in a bag, but you can use a mesh laundry bag or a pillow case if you are worried about it. If you do use a bag, use two bags instead of putting all 4 bags into one. If you put all 4 bags together, it could be rough on the dryer with all 4 of then tumbling together.
Yes more obviously takes more time then dryer but when I was in rock hill I didn’t trust the dryer and I did 42 sets of bags throughout the week air drying on the ax unit outside, I set my alarm and went out and flips and massaged them every few hrs during the process Ps I own toss sauce lol
What a up bro? I'm new to cornhole besides just kicking all my friends asses 20 30 times a year. Ive watched almost half of yiur videos in the last month. Im fully addicted. I really want to get into the games deeper. In your personal opinion, what's the best tournament and pro board to buy. Also, do you sell any of the bags after your views ? If so, where can I buy them
The boards I use are Cornhole Solutions boards. They have Tournament boards and Pro Solution boards. The Pro boards are their best boards. I use the Tournament boards because I'm constantly moving them and they are lighter than the Pro boards. Both are great options. Check them out. If you buy a set, use the code mike10 and you'll save 10%. Cornholesolutions.com I sell my used bags in my Ko-fi shop (ko-fi.com/MikesBags). My members get first dibs on the bags. Whatever they don't buy, becomes available to everyone.
Sac Relax was one of the products used in this experiment. I mentioned it around the 3:20 mark when I listed all of the products that I used. Sac relax and Toss sauce are completely different products. Toss Sauce mixes with the water and you soak the bags in it. Sac Relax is a conditioner that you massage into the bags.
I throw them in the dryer with a towel. I don't put them in anything. Dryers are designed to not snag clothing. If you are concerned, you can put the bags in a mesh bag or a pillow case.
I've been doing dryer tumble no heat for 2 hours now with new Razor Knuckle bags. Not seeing much of a change yet, but super paranoid about ruining them.
Love Toss Sauce. The way that man and his family are elevating that brand is the epitome of the American Dream. If you want something Cheaper go vinegar. But I have no problem supporting Toss Sauce, standing behind them as a company and recommending anyone to use them.
Been meaning to do this with actual bags for the last 11 months. Just dawned on mye that it can be done without making bags and just using the fabrics, and going by feel. Then put the best feeling sides together and try to replicate the feel as a finished bag.
Great video Mike!
Couldn't you just take the template cuts and break them in before assembling the bags together? before or after sublimation? Or do you think this will cause a problem during stitching since the material would be softer?
Machine wash tap cold delicate setting. They will feel better immediately. Then toss sauce, rinse, and machine wash cold again. Air dry with a fan. Carpet, fast, hybrid, doesnt matter they will be money. Also thanks for all your hard work on this Mike. That must have been a lot of hours spent on this experiment! Kudos to you
Great video and awesome work!! I use distilled white vinegar soak and then after the rinse to dry faster I use an XL water absorber chamois and then they air dry good.. Works great for cleaning with Dawn as well to not get over used on older bags.
I wear hats and to clean them I use oxiclean because it breaks down the oils from skin..so with bags that have absorbed a lot of sweat I clean and soak a few minutes with oxiclean and then rinse and then 1 wash with Dawn to get the oxiclean out and then rinse very well. I feel the oils from our skin also slow a bag down from its true speed over time. This is what seems to work for me.
I used to just throw the bags. Recently I started using toss sauce and it works fantastic. Will absolutely be buying another bottle
Garbage
That is commitment, sir! Thanks for taking the time and putting out this content. My go-to method is hot water soak and tumble.
I'm glad you made this video. I just bought Fire Heat bags and was wondering how to break them in. Method I'm using to break them in is by throwing them as much as possible for an hour or more
Thank you for this video Mike! Really appreciate the information you are sharing to the community, helps out a lot of people like myself who are always trying to get more into the game!
Don't over think it. Toss sauce has the instructions and measuring already done. Works great.
I use white vinegar in the washer with the bags and a couple towels just put the vinegar where the fabric softener supposed to go and it works great! Doesn’t alter material but loosens up nicely. We actually don’t use fabric softener anymore to wash clothes just the white vinegar
We no longer use fabric softener either. We switched over to vinegar a while back and it works great.
Thanks for doing all this research, Mike! That’s a ton of work
Great review, Mike, we can always trust you to be honest with your opinion in your experience, you are definitely the go to guy when it comes to purchasing bags and breaking in bags. Thanks again.
Great video I know it took tons of time to make it...I use toss sauce carpet muncher on all my bags and I really love it...I was just wondering how the Nuked compared to carpet muncher?? Thank aging for everthang you do for the cornhole community keep up the great work
The Nuked is just a stronger version of the Carpet Muncher. Toss Sauce has three different strengths of their product - OG, Carpet Muncher, Nuked. It just depends on how floppy and how broke in you want your bags to be.
I thought for sure you’d say hair conditioner 😮. Love you man! Excellent review. Appreciate the time and effort.
If my bags already soft, I just throw it. I use the vinegar if it's stiff brand new. I followed the video you did on vinegar break in for my coyotes, and threw them for a few days to break in the beads. Good enough for me. I have vinegar in the kitchen, no need to buy anything extra. I'm paranoid with dryers so I sun/air dry it. Once my bags get dirty I eventually do wash it with soap tho
Like a good recipe, it’s not the ingredients, rather the method that makes the dish. I could give you all the ingredients to a good Louisiana Gumbo or Jambalaya, but you would not succeed without the method. This was a great “scientific method” type experiment with similar results, however your conclusion is everything!! It’s better to break in bags rather than just throw. Thanks Mike!!
What a legend, this must have took so much work. Thanks for all the information.
I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!!! Thank you for such an extensive, in dept, time exhausting review. Your honesty and dedication in everything you do is amazing and truly appreciated. I use your white vinegar method because it is cheap and easy to do. Keep up the hair work.
I have always just thrown my bags to break them in but I think I’m going to try your vinegar break in method!
Be very careful and sparing with the vinegar you can always add more, but start with a third or a quarter cup do the whole process including drying and then try it out there is no coming back from too much vinegar. Your bags will be too loose. but, in my humble experience vinegar has been the best it leaves no residue smell and it’s not a chemical, but please be sparingly take your time
Great info Mike! I see you working and appreciate it .
Thanks!
i tried alot of methods but the one works the best for me is just a warm water soak and tumble low heat. it breaks it in enough just to where you can throw the rest to break in.
I appreciate you and this video, can’t wait to see how you like the NUKED PRIMO 💪🏼💪🏼
Love the video, Mike…and glad you still personally approve of the WD vinegar method. Hasn’t failed me yet.
Thanks for the video Mike, although you may not feel it was a definitive result, it was clearly definitive to me… Doesn’t matter what you use as long as you use something- something is better than nothing.
As for throwing to break in, most of us don’t have the time to throw a crappy performing bag for an unknown number of hours to get it to play like we want. Any shortcut is worth it to me, and there is no doubt that throwing the bag decreases its lifespan- how much is the first question, and does it really matter is the second question. A great feeling, great playing bag is what is most important.
This guy has a PhD in Cornhole!
Fo real! Dr. Mike Bags
Great insights! I have all three toss sauces that just came in last week. Prior to that I was a hot water soak and massage guy followed by a couple tumble in the dryer no heat.
*******question: what microphone receiver/transmitter brand do you use for all your vids?
P.S the sound quality is great. We’re setting up a new league and considering doing a progressive airmail hype video each week at our venue.
The mic I use now is the AnkorWork M650.
Adobe has software that you can run your audio through, and it will remove echos and clean it up. Go to podcast.adobe.com/enhance
The basic version is free, but you can pay if you want more control over it.
@@MikesBags Thank you Mike!
Great video, did you notice any speed differences, or playability changes between the different methods?
No I didn't notice any. However, I was only throwing one bag at a time so it was hard to compare the bag speeds. None of them stood out to me as being faster or slower than the others.
Do you have a video on how to throw straight, or properly? Like a video behind you showing where your arms supposed to be pointed or something like that. Thank you.
This is probably what you are looking for.
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Mike. Your my go to for this content. I'm afraid to ask. Which Toss Sauce is your preferred.
I use the Snake Oil (formerly Nuked) if I want the bags floppy and I use the Carpet Muncher if I don't want them to be quite as floppy.
One thing I wish you mention is the Time of each break-in method...Like which one took the longest, per instructions, and which one was the quickest...or even say what was the cheapest..even though we know Vinegar would be. Do you feel any of the methods change the speed of the bags?
See now, like you mention, I don't like Toss Sauce, but my friends do..I have used it and I don't think it does anything more than washing them with Dawn Soap. I Have Wrinkle Guard and many people loved their bags when I did them for them. They tell me they don't feel any residue and that could be cause I will do a 2nd Hot washer rinse with them with either Vinegar or Micro Fiber Towel wash. I also don't like to put them in the dryer, with heat or none. I let them air dry or put them on the AC Condenser unit and let the fans air dry them.. For me, I have found that putting them in the dryer has cause my bags to pill a little as with my friends.
But now that you can't buy no sent Wrinkle Guard, I been playing with a more commercial product called PROSoft K...This product is suppose to remove the stiffness of shirt from tie dying without leaving any residue. The big thing also, every bag breaks in different!! So you can't do the same process for every type of bag material. My Fall-X were stiff like cardboard! and came out great..but my Titan Ravage Fury, came out really floppy. So you have to use your judgment based on how the bag is new like you mention.
Great job and I know how pain staking doing something like this can be!
The reason I didn't mention any of those things was because it wasn't the point of the video. I documented all of that when I did my experiment earlier this year. What I found out was all of the methods worked about the same, except for the just throw it. So it's all about personal preference and what method you prefer. For example, I love the way the bag feels after I use Toss Sauce. However, you don't and that's OK. I may not like the way the bags feel after you use your method. In the end, after you throw the bags for a few hours, they all feel the same. That was the point I was trying to get across in the video. I wasn't trying to go into details about each method.
To answer your questions, the shaving cream is the longest. Toss Sauce is the quickest. Fabric Softener is the cheapest. Ultra's kit is the most expensive.
@@MikesBags Thanks for the response 😊.. It's like you said as I tell others.. Do what is good for you and that you like.
Next time I’d like to see the comparison between using these beak in methods and then parking a car on top of the bags overnight. I’m curious to see if it does actually help. Or maybe just a cinder block on each bag to be safe lol
Just putting weight on top of the bags isn't going to soften up the materials. Parking a car on top will probably damage the resin inside.
Amazing video and such a thorough test! Just watched your white vinegar video after this.
Side note, do you think the speed rating on the PROWLERS is accurate at a 4/6 and is it the same material on the Titan Talons? I own a set and see different ratings out there, so was just wondering.
Great video how do you clean dirty bags?
Great video Mike!!
Have you tried the bleach method? Most people are scared to try it, but I love it because you don't have to do anything but throw them in the washer and then the dryer.
I do hair conditioner with an hour soaked in hot water and then wash them with dawn and after il trow then in the dryer
do you put your bags in any sort of bag then throw them in the dryer I got a older dryer and it has like a metal grate where the heat comes from and I am not sure if that could snag the bag or not
I don't put mine in a bag, but you can use a mesh laundry bag or a pillow case if you are worried about it. If you do use a bag, use two bags instead of putting all 4 bags into one. If you put all 4 bags together, it could be rough on the dryer with all 4 of then tumbling together.
With toss sauce can u do an air day instead of dryer ?
Yes more obviously takes more time then dryer but when I was in rock hill I didn’t trust the dryer and I did 42 sets of bags throughout the week air drying on the ax unit outside, I set my alarm and went out and flips and massaged them every few hrs during the process
Ps I own toss sauce lol
Can i use the white vinegar on my micro suede/poly(pro synergy) bag?
Yes, you can.
What a up bro? I'm new to cornhole besides just kicking all my friends asses 20 30 times a year. Ive watched almost half of yiur videos in the last month. Im fully addicted. I really want to get into the games deeper. In your personal opinion, what's the best tournament and pro board to buy. Also, do you sell any of the bags after your views ? If so, where can I buy them
The boards I use are Cornhole Solutions boards. They have Tournament boards and Pro Solution boards. The Pro boards are their best boards. I use the Tournament boards because I'm constantly moving them and they are lighter than the Pro boards. Both are great options. Check them out. If you buy a set, use the code mike10 and you'll save 10%. Cornholesolutions.com
I sell my used bags in my Ko-fi shop (ko-fi.com/MikesBags). My members get first dibs on the bags. Whatever they don't buy, becomes available to everyone.
Still for those EXTRA prowlers??? I could use them!
Have you ever used washing soda to break in bags?
No, I have not.
Did you wash off the products with dawn after ?
No, I did not use dawn for this test. I just ruined everything thoroughly with water.
Wow, Mike nice experiment are you a scientist in your day job?
You didn't mention the sack relax. When you are saying toss sauce are you lumping in sack relax as well??
Sac Relax was one of the products used in this experiment. I mentioned it around the 3:20 mark when I listed all of the products that I used. Sac relax and Toss sauce are completely different products. Toss Sauce mixes with the water and you soak the bags in it. Sac Relax is a conditioner that you massage into the bags.
When using toss sauce do you dry on high heat?
No, I use low heat whenever I put bags in the dryer. I've used high heat before with no issues but I just prefer low heat.
@@MikesBags do you just throw the bags in the dryer without anything ?
I throw them in the dryer with a towel. I don't put them in anything. Dryers are designed to not snag clothing. If you are concerned, you can put the bags in a mesh bag or a pillow case.
@@MikesBags pillow case even tied it would prob open again just not sure if my bags would snag with the metal grate thing in my dryer
Gotta wash them with Dawn dish soap after and it'll remove the residue feeling
I've never tried anything else but just throwing them or may put them in dryer and just tumble them with no heat
I've been doing dryer tumble no heat for 2 hours now with new Razor Knuckle bags. Not seeing much of a change yet, but super paranoid about ruining them.
Was there any noticeable difference in speeds with any particular products?
Wondering the same thing
Just say it and stop repeating
Will do. Thanks for watching!