Dimension D for $149?! Klark Teknik 3rd Dimension BBD-320
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One of my favorite effects of all time! So many good memories of 80's tunes with this soaking the guitar tracks.
Leon, BTW, thanks for helping to 'bring back the rack' and those drippingly wet effected tones. The past 20ish years of drier guitar has been a bear to sit through.
It's soaking!
@@LeonTodd Soak us rack daddy! ;)
So glad Boss used the shrinking machine to put one in the waza pedal!
Honey I shrunk the chorus!
@@LeonTodd 🤣
The Dimension C or whatever it is called is good, but it actually sounds quite different to the old Dimension D - disclaimer as I am sitting here listening to this on my MacBook speakers (nobody's perfect!), but this unit here, while it sounds pretty good seems to miss something quite subtle about the original - sounds a bit thinner and more like a conventional chorus pedal than a Dimension D. But hey, I could also be way wrong!
@@davidmccarroll3217 Nothing beats the original in its day! MacBook speakers seems relevant, and I wonder, did you listen to the original in stereo?
3:55 pure bliss! Like Dan Huff or John Sykes were jamming in the studio in 1989.
I give this 10 out of 10 schmoo! What a cool bit of kit.
Your video here is the first one that shows this product used in applications that I really wanted to see--clean guitars, distorted guitars, with delay added, also on vocals and bass... finally a proper demo! I agree with you--for $150 (well underneath the Boss Waza Dimension C pedal price by $100), and considering it's basically a part for part clone of the Roland Dimension D, I'm all over it! Ordered one for myself today, actually! Thanks for the pointers about the buttons, etc. Good to know in advance. Thanks for a great demo!
Enjoy!
Derived from the original Qsound algorithm that Rogers Waters used on his records (and lots of other bands) for a kind of surround effect in 2 ch.
@leontodd, love the Middletown Dreams riffing at 4:15
This has nothing to do with this vid but I just wanted to give you a Big Thank you for your Axe FX III vids. I have been a subscriber of your channel since you only had a few thousand subs. Unfortunately I never really watched the Fractal vids until this past week. I just got an AX FX III and it is INCREDIBLE. Your vids really helped me get going with it. Much appreciated bro!
Congrats mate, so stoked you're enjoying it. Fire up the Dimension chorus and you've got this bad boy too!
Love it! This box has a very vintage Led Zeppelin sound (sold) ..I'm getting one.
Would love to hear that with a huge hall reverb with the distortion talk about 80s Heaven great video man
Definitely one of my favorite chorus devices. And, oh, I'm Buzzed at 2:48, hellyeah!
Some Landau is essential with any rack gear right!
That was a great peppy lick. I had to go home and figure it out, of course slowing it down first lol.
My favorite Chorus sound!! after Symphonic
Mode 3 is where it's at especially with some detune. Coupled with the bass, oh yeah that was nice.
Lush squared!
Was just watching some You Tube vids of isolated vocals and I noticed how many have the Dimension D on them. Came back here to listen to Ryans vocal again through the 3rd Dimension. The Roland original does sound a little richer with vocals but the BBD320 sounds amazing if added to the wet channels of a Wet/Dry/Wet rig.
Sounds glorious!
Great demo and review! Mine was an impulse buy, because they were on sale for $149US a few months ago and it's still in the box. I'm actually on the fence about keeping it... I agree about the size issue. If TC (Klark's sister company) can smash similar functionality into their 3rd Dimension chorus pedal and cost less than 1/2 the price of the Klark, unit, why does the BBD-330 need to take up 2U of precious rack space? I suppose a large part of the allure was to look just like a Roland Dim-D, which is very difficult to come by these days for less than $2000. I've also noticed that the low end rolls off considerably when the effect is engaged vs. the dry signal, so I don't think I'd want to use it directly in my signal path, but rather on an effects send or in parallel with the dry signal. This may also be the case with the Roland unit that the BBD-320 is modeled after. Either way, it is a decent sounding chorus and does what I remember the Dimension-D doing in the studio many years ago. My mentor was a mix engineer and used a Dimension-D primarily to add some interest and spacial width to background vocals (which already had the all of the low end rolled off). It wouldn't be a good choice to integrate into your rig if you are a gigging musician based on the size and limited features. I'd imagine that your Eventide Eclipse would be far better suited for that purpose and Eventide's chorus effects are amazing. The BBD-320 is more of a novelty for old-school engineers like me or musicians obsessed with 80's retro sounds. This unit would most likely sit at the bottom of my home studio's rack with a favorite setting permanently engaged, begging the question, "why don't I just use a plugin?"
I was dying for you to take the lid off so we could peak inside, wonder if the circuitry is identical to the original or if there is a little processor chip sitting in there!? Bet it's mostly empty space - I'm sure they could have gone for 1u. great tones, great video as usual.
I noticed on Ryan's voice it sounds a lot like that "Joe Lynn Turner" doubling/smoosh effect.
The original was legendary... nothing sounds quite like it. My favorite modulation effect of all time..
Used subtly ....50% to 75% mix buss ....this was the "secret weapon" of Many studios - I use the KT unit in Live settings inline with my Hammond/Leslie - Pure Cool
That must be amazing on the Hammond setup!!!
Regarding the rack space is that the BBD-320 stays true to the original shape, that is cool to us vintage freaks,if one has little rackspace there is a Pedal from Tc Electronic called 3D Dimension Chorus, that has four buttons and do the same thing,..
TC pedal is mono though
Sounds great!
When you guys getting Leon on the Show?
Nice instant 80s sound! But it gets even more "cheaper": Behringer has (or had?) a Pedal like this for around 20 EUR or even cheaper (don't remember the name, Dimension?), it sounded great into my Guitar Amp!
Pretty dang good!!!
Wild hey
@@LeonTodd It's really interesting. After seeing this vid earlier today and hearing how good it sounded, I watched a bunch of videos where studio and keyboard guys are slamming it, saying it lacks width and depth. Yet for guitar especially it sounds fantastic (like exactly how you you've always expected a chorus to sound but can never seem to get regardless of what you've bought). Hmm, time to free up 2 rack spaces :-)
@@KnockAndAskToday it might be one of those "goldilocks" style effects for guitar, where the "rich" nature of electric guitar sounds (particularly intermodulation distortion) calls for a slightly more subtle effect like this vs keys which need a bit more of a pronounced effect.
@@LeonTodd Yes, only problem is no one seems to have them in stock. Tried all the usuals and their websites say "backorder or taking orders". Will just have to wait.....:-(
The description says that it's full analog, replicated from the original. So, maybe it can't fit in 1U rack, I don't know. Sounds killer, though and the price is killer, too! But if you want it for guitar only you can buy the pedal.
Its cool, and would be cool for studio use as is, but for guitar I think id want a wet/dry knob.
pretty rad lil unit
Kinda like that it is a 2 space clone. IDK, looks so much like the original, might turn some heads in the studio... looks aside, sounds pretty good and won't break the bank. Thanks for your great demo!
My Boss CE20 hasn't come off the Dimension setting since day 1.
I’m buzzed :-)
Leon I think think you need to revisit this one, everything you do on the BBD-320 here is straight up mono. No stereo here until you add the Eclipse.
Currently going through my session files trying to figure out where this got summed.
@@LeonTodd Hopefully you'll figure it out. I'd like to hear this one in delicious stereo. :-)
Yeah good point, this deserves a redo Leon.
2:45 Bulgin'!
On a scale of 1 to Huff, how lush is this?
Lush in a "Soul Provider" level! Man, this is insane! Those units are cheap as hell, how can be sound so good for that price tag?
I really tried to like this unit... I ran it after my preamp section, in the loop... yuck. Tried the effect loop out to a second cab (first cab was dry) and it was pretty good... just had a high end spike I couldn't get rid of. But it's a great $150 unit to experiment with for certain.
Thanks for. Sounds like you're running it in mono....stereo is where the lushness lives.
Definitely Huff, Dann Huff! Can you duplicate the Mode 3 chorus and the Eventide pitch shift and delay with the FM3?
Use the dimension 3 chorus, dual detune and vintage digital delay mode!
Is there no level/ output control on this unit?
I would put it in a loop of my GCX unit.
I use the Dimension 2 in the Axe-Fx a lot but now I want to play around with the others. I think mode 4 is actually something added on top of one of the other modes? Anyway I like this for 80’s rock/metal cleans where I feel like the Tri Stereo Chorus is too much and doesn’t sound like what I’m hearing.
Same here - the TSC has a lot more "warble" whereas as this just adds space.
Sounds great BUT putting the stereo/mono switch on the back of the unit is an absolute dealbreaker if you want to use it with anything other than guitars. vocal or drum Busses, synths.....etc.....gotta flip a switch behind the rack. Those are righteous chorus tones though. Sounds like the early kings X records.
Your solo on 7:30 reminded me of king's x looking for love and black flag
I love Ty Tabor!
I am about to buy dimension c pedal. As it is not the classic chorus pedal and it is more likely a bank of preset chorus sounds I would like your advice to the following question
Well would you put this pedal on a pedal board and if you would advise not to use it on a pedal board but keep it open active all the time on the send return loop of the amplifier
I play a vintage 52 telecaster through a hiwatt tube 20 head
Would you use this pedal before and overdrive distortion pedal? Or even a FUZZ pedal.?
Not bad! 8 Galaxies good 👍
I hear Landau, I press like.
King’s X Dogman vibe on that full band riffing?
I have eyed this because the price and because I loved Power Windows as a kid. But Behringer and 2U, and I am trying to keep my rackspace sprawl down. The demo isn’t helping me resist, though.
There are mods on the MuffWiggler forum that are supposed to make the Behringer behave more like the original.
Big time, that's my favourite rock album and that song was out tip of that hat to the heaviest trio ever!
What is your signal chain for these demos?
How bout bass and dimension pedal? Any thoughts or tips
Dytronics CS5 next? ;-)
Hmmm ... what about a BBE Sonic Maximiser? 🤟🎸😀
Did you ever use a dimension C pedal? How does this compare?
Just the DC2w. Really liked it, this stacks up well
STEREO DEMO HERE - ua-cam.com/video/taGJyNxdI7s/v-deo.html
The vocals and Bass Guitar with the chorus is not my Taste. But all guitar sounds are 🥰wow
I heard this unit is thiner sounding & lower dB.
I am thinking to buy one and add a BBE Sonic Maximizer (to at least enhance bass, like a mod).
I also heard this unit can me 'modded' like other units. yes?
all the pedals don't do it. and to use plugs, a computer-dependent (digital) system is needed.
so far, this is it! wondering if a year or so later, owners are satisfied.
You know, this unit 's circuitry 'could' be re-housed in a long pedal. Just sayin'.
How do you like it compared to the Boss dc-2w pedal?
The pedal is great! They both scratch the itch
Tales From The Todd 😀
Now tha Behringer owns TC Electronics I give it a year before we see a stereo 2290 delay.
I'll take 2 if they do that.
Sweetwater is blowing these out for $69 right now. Just grabbed one.
WHAT
I placed my order too! I'll do the usual mods with resistors replacement once it arrives home.
Sounds great because all Roland stuff does, can't believe Behringer copy everything and get away with it.
However, I can't see you coming back in 5 years with this thing still working.
I'll report back in 2026!
Dunno man, I've got a couple of the horrible old Behringer $30 plastic stompboxes (digital delay, octave pedal and their clone of the gorgeous Boss VB-1) which have been much abused on several pedalboards and all three are still working exactly as they did when I bought them almost twenty years ago - much to my shock!
I think my gp16 sounds al9t like this.
The switches were plasticy in a real one too 😂
And it sounds same
The sound is cool for what it is and definitely the price but why oh why did they have to make it so big?? I have a feeling it's 90% empty inside. Could easily make it a 1U half rack.
yeah it's fine for my vanity rack system but for a gigging rack 2U is BIG.
The klark Version is 97% just air inside 🤣🤣🤣but dont care about the SMD parts, they do the same job like the original from roland. If you want to have the same good looking device like a roland Dimension, you need to waste the air in your Studio. Or get the waza Pedal, small, tiny and full digital inside but sounds the same, as the company claims....
It s a shame that you did not put this in stereo!
The entire vid was stereo
@@LeonTodd theres no way in this world that the unit is recorded in stereo in this video!
Mistake somewhere on my end. Currently going through my session files trying to figure out where this got summed. Thanks for picking this up.
Hit the nail with calling it out for being two rack units for 4 modes of chorus, 4 buttons and a meter, light, power and bypass buttons. In general using up a whole rack space for just chorus sounds appalling today. For a modern day unit you'd be kinda happy to have some controls to tweak the different mods, even though they're voiced like classics.
Like you said, it's meant to be a shameless clone and attempts to keep it cheap, but why not make it up to date, good and attractive. TC released their Dimension D pedal clone (well, Behringer as well), Boss released their Dimension C waza, so the interest for the sound is there, but I feel like they have gauged the market poorly with this unit. Nobody is looking for inconveniently engaged chorus that takes up two rack spaces. Even if it's Dimension D sound that is getting a bit trendy (is it though?).
On top of that, it does sound weirdly hollow unlike the original, that sounded very lush but rather refined. And the Boss pedals don't sound hollow that way either (the pedals are a bit more in your face compared to the original that's smoother). Perhaps that's due to the rather bright sound you demo'd?
Are you even in stereo? Klark Teknik was bought out by Behringer many many years ago.
Ever since the time I bought a Behringer noise suppressor pedal and it introduced more noise into the circuit, especially when engaged, I cant recommend any one touch any of their gear. For peanuts more you can get any number of cheap pedals that will outshine their gear.... This had some cool sounds, but like you mentioned 2RU? Get outta here...
Hahahaha! That's an epic fail.
We use the Behringer XR18 mixer with the band to run IEM and for the price it's amazing. A bit hit and miss the old B.
@@LeonTodd they do have some real hidden gems! You should open this thing up to see if there's enough room left over for an olympic sized swimming pool to fit next to the circuit board...
@@BBGuitars that explains the chlorine smell!
A lot of cork sniffers slagging this off compared to the original ? Anyone got any comparisons ?
Hopefully I'll be doing one soon
As soon as you played with distortion, I realized one thing almost immediately: This box is utterly useless without a wet/dry mix knob because the sound becomes far too thick and almost messy, which would be completely useless for most studio engineers or musicians. How about a modification tutorial for a wet/dry knob? Hmmmm.. first thing I'd be breaking would be a soldering iron !
As a "studio" unit it is supposed to be connected to an efx send bus of a mixing console, hence the absence of a wet/dry control, like the original Roland. The 2u rack case is pretty empty, with all the smd components tightly organized, not the easiest to mod. Overall a decent box IMHO, really cheap, good for budget recordings or sophisticated guitar rack systems. I wouldn't use it straight up as a guitar efx because of the brutal low end cutoff and a general "tone suck", a Boss DC-2W might be a better choice for that.
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Behringer has done so incredible much bad things to the business, even if they have a good product, I wouldn't buy it. They destroyed many brands and companies. Taken the same name and shell of the device but loading it up with the cheapest parts available. Ever opened a Midas by Behringer and compared it with pre Behringer Midas? It's insane. Like selling a Ferrari which basically is a Golf with a Ferrari outside.
People need wake up and support companies that are good for the industry, good for the employees and for all others involved.
Behringer in this regard is real cancer.
Sorry to say, I whish it would be different but it is not.
I agree, but most people don't have 2000€ to spend on a compressor or preamp, or eq....
Well you could also argue that Behringer democratized expensive studio technology so that the average Joe musician can use it too.
I'm not willing to pay that much money unless I can make money from it. And most people must spend the rest of the money that leaves at the end of the month for the music. So dont talk shit like that, everybody needs to pay music industies most expensive gear..... I love Behringer for giving great gear to everyone!
board is loaded with SMD's. hard pass
OMG the audio is MONO! You're doing it wrong! You only had one job to do.