Klark Teknik BBD-320 Roland Dimension D Clone | 3RD Or TURD DIMENSION?
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- In this video we look at the latest line of dubiously badged "Designed and engineered in the UK" Klark Teknik products from Music Group (Behringer) and ask if it has a useful place in the rack? Spoiler alert... Mark quite likes it, but not as a traditional chorus unit!
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I think it would more effective to click on each setting in the middle of a verse/bar and not at the beginning of a bar where the vocals and/or other instruments dynamically change thus negating ability to fully hear the difference.
Yes. Even better, use the same four bars repeated to make it easier to hear differences.
This is exactly what my home recording studio is missing. Puppets. Amazing how the sound improved when they enter the scene!
It's funny that if it's Behringer then its a "Ripoff" but if it's any other company then it's a Clone 😂
It's all Music Group
You caught that too! LOL.
I know! I love the KT 1176
it is behringer to some point, same parent company
Back in the 80s/ 90s, the Dimension D was my go-to effect as a bass thickener. I’d put it on the direct out of the bass channel in mono mode, setting 4, and blend the effect in to give the bass some stereo width. The AMS 1580 on dual harmonise +4/-4 was better doing the same job for guitars, but it introduced a flam on the bass which was ugly if the bass was really tight with the kick, the DimD didn’t do that (but wasn’t quite as wide).
I just got it, used type4 for rhodes keys as a chorus, worked wonderfully. On gtr or vocals maybe better as a parallel unit. 155€ + shipping... This one is a steal.
hello mate - what does one need to use it as a parallel unit?
@@drthorpe8602 🙄 did you watch the video... It's all there.
cool! Thanks for this idea ... I never liked these Behringers, but using this box in parallel with all buttons in really sounds great! I'll maybe get one to try this.
I still have in a closet one of the original Roland Dimension D that I bought in Alex Music in NY back in 1982.
Interested in selling it?
@@mikemikemike199 Yes
Thx for the video, very useful point of view.
It’s the added 3rd Dimension which makes this thing usable... I had the previous model, with just 2 Dimensions... until some careless bugger turned it sideways on, so now I can’t perceive it anymore.
Mark’s talking through it sounds like he’s shouting down a drainpipe... but, using my good headphones to listen to the song through my audio interface, I couldn’t hear any difference between the settings... mind you, those Emperor’s new clothes looked spectacular.
parallel mix bus device is an accurate description...the puppets were a nice touch....had me laughing after a long day at work !
Great demo! Loved the puppets!
As with the lyric "Is this, April Th-e First?." Great puppets ..;-) Love your channel.
Grabbed one to fatten up analog synths and it rocks for that application.
Listening through my OLLO S4X's, and the difference was subtle yet obvious. If I were just casually listening to that mix and that effect were on it, I'd not know. But when you bypass it, it's definitely lacking something.
Well done.
I use the UAD version and the Eventide one for various bits. Tri chorus done well just sounds awesome. Extra space, well yeah.
I got one and like what it does for my mix. I found that it gave bass some nice movement.
That demo track was killer!
Nice bit of kit, but not enough room in my studio.
@Wayne Brown but then the hipsters wouldn't buy it because it didn't look like the original.
That focusing thing to show the controls on the front was very cool.
You're the first person to notice! (Other than Jamie commenting on it at the studio yesterday!)
@@PresentDayProduction I noticed it right away too, but I wasn't a fan. It looks cool, but maybe a bit more flare than is desirable in this context.
Turd Dimension is going to be the name of my soon to be formed function band.
Booking now.
i was literally looking at this unit a few days ago!
I like the new cast. Those original two muppets sure could use a support crew 😉
We got the Universal Audio version, Studio-D and it works fabulous when on a Bus and blended in.
Yeah plugin is good too...but that hardware is the shit
I have the same shark cat bed and I have to say, that has taken my mix to the next level. If I could make one recommendation; sell your speakers and buy the shark cat bed. It adds “analog” warmth to your cat and mix.
I'm not an external hardware fan..... but nice to see the cat was heavily featured!
behringer has a software version in their X and M series mixers. I use it a lot on bassguitar and sometimes vocals live in some 80's songs when I m ix a coverband
Your Teddy Bear had too much coffee by the looks of it
It’s a puppy!
I honestly think I might buy one. I like the original and thought that one sounded pretty nice. And, I'm dumb and buy things on a whim all of the time!
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 No problem man!
I love the puppets! Jem Wand is a wad. Instant subscribe, keep up the good work.
Another option is to nab one the Radial extc range of devices (desktop or 500 series) and check out the guitar pedals that are “influenced” by the dimension D. More expensive short term, granted, but it opens up a tonne of options when you can pick up guitar pedals and use them!
Given how much space there is inside it, I truly wish they'd have made it 1U. Re-racking it is entirely possible but the PCB mounted jacks and stuff will make that annoying where it would have been trivial in the design stage. Still, it's a cool unit.
Yeah, but 99.9% of people who are going to buy this are hipsters who have an unhealthy vintage fetish which is ALL about looks, and nothing about sound.
great superb channel i am happy that i found it , the difference is you are serious and dont tell bullshit thanks
Is it me are is there not really a difference in the sound?…(or is it just so subtle that I can’t detect it?🤔
Are you by any chance listening in mono? (like an iphone)
@@karstenpe I'll try again using myDT 770 Studio Headphones.
@@karstenpe I just re-listened with my DT 770 Headphones and there is no decerinable differences in the sound as you cycle thru the switches. Just to be sure that it wasn't my audio that was the issue I've gone to other youtube channels reveiwing the BBD-320 and as they cycle thru the buttons there is indeed a differences and shift in the tone or mix. (click below)
ua-cam.com/video/v72M4dGzCkk/v-deo.html
@@TheRTM I just listened on my 770's as well - I really can't hear any difference either. There is definately a difference to be heard in the linked video.
He does mention on the 3:40 mark that he's using it in parallel, 50/50 blend with dry signal on vocals and synths. That's why it's hard to hear a difference.
I might get one of these one day. I like the original for sure. Also using the arturia software version that came out recently. I like that one pretty well. Did y’all give the arturia one a shot?
The Feebles in chorus - Just a garden of love.
Embassy No.1 ha ha dying. I will have to experiment with it in the studio as its very affordable. Well done.
With this surface-mount PCB of today, I don't see why this couldn't be a half-rack 1U jobby. I know what matters is the sound not the design, but the only reason the unit is the size it is, is because of the design it's copying. Who is someone that buys Behringer gear trying to impress? Behringer's target audience (ie bedroom producers such as myself) won't have enough rack space to dedicate this unit to that could be dedicated to master bus compressors or power amps.
Sounds nice though! Would love a video comparing it to the original, as you have so excellently done in the past with other rip-offs. Behringer failed at stereo image before with their Juno chorus pedal, but the BBD-320 seems to be an improvement.
Yeah we tried to get hold of an original, but failed! As for the case, it’s identical to the 76, EQP and 2A, so economies of scale I guess!
Who is Behringer trying to impress? Hipsters who have a fetish for everything "vintage" and care primarily about LOOKS for their social media feeds.
For those who need to save space there are a lot of great sounding plugins to use.
big fan of this product sometimes price is just right no questions asked lol great product.
With my Powerbeats pro on and walking outside, I couldn’t hear a difference betwixt the buttons.
“Actually, it is conditional.”
-Phasey McPhaseface
Phasey McPhase Face is my new favourite name 🤣
@@PresentDayProduction It’s yours for life now.
@@PresentDayProduction It's just a phase.
hilarious and informational. thanks.
Yay!
Could not hear a difference on a set of Genelec 8030a during the song (at the end I could hear it a bit). Wondering if it gets removed by the psycoacoustic model of the mpeg audio codec. Ears are OK not great.
The difference is there, and youtube is doing nothing to break it, but it is subtle. But you should be able to hear it easily on decent monitors
@@PresentDayProduction I removed a multiband comp I use to level youtube content, which helped unmask the BBD-320 effect, then removing the x-air completely helped further. The lack of time alignment during talking threw me off, was listening for delay smearing during the song. Thanks for the content.
Interesting. I'm listening via an RME Fireface UFXII with HD600 headphones to say the effect is subtle is a massive understatement.
I prefer the Boss CE-2 sound for traditional chorus. But, when you want something more subtle, and especially for a stereo rig, the D is fantastic. But, where it really shines is rendering mono synths in beautifully panoramic stereo; and there the more subtle chorus effect works better with bass heavy / full range synth tones. And with something like a Moog or SH-101. On analogue monosynth bass tones, polysynth pads and strings and glassy DX-like FM tones. I like chorus better on synths or bass, than on guitars.
Obligatory comment for the algorithm. Great job as always on the video!
Great little video! Also really enjoyed the track used to my surprise (couldn't hear any Autotune which always helps), any chance of a link to that? Anyway, I've been listening to a lot of tests, reviews and comparisons the last couple of days and this is one of the few that highlights its intended use. If you want something that has a very similar flavour but works (probably) equally as well on single sources full wet, my impression is that the Boss DCw2 is a better bet. All four modes there have a distinct character whereas 2 and 3 don't seem to do much here and on the original.
You can buy it for licensed use on a one-off payment or on a subscription from www.epidemicsound.com
Normally their stuff is also on most streaming platforms as 99% of it is commercially-released music, however this one particular song doesn't appear to be on there unfortunately.
If you want to try to find it though, the song is called "Love Me Unconditionally" by "Caro Be, Levitaté & Anya Gold"
It's on UA-cam: ua-cam.com/video/GcgZkdeBKSs/v-deo.html
For plugin, look at TAL's free take on a Juno-chorus. Sounds fab!
the Dimension D is not a chorus unit.
@@Projacked1 I know. I was responding to the question posed that IF you need a chorus..
16th! hahaha. I love the Dimension D, I use the UA vst all the time
How does it compare to Soundtoys Microshift? One of my fave widening plugins but doesn’t always quite hit the spot
Arturia actually makes a Chorus Dimension D emulation (plugin). It even has the Mono/Stero switch on the front panel. ;-)
Thanks for sharing but I could not hear any difference at all I see if I can down in my so called studio where I got a little better monitors
I Subbed for the puppets!!!
Checking the date for April 1st... Nope. Well, I'll be buggered! Apart from the curious fact that each "button push" happened at the start of a new section of the song, thus making comparisons very difficult, I found myself trying to hear a difference, but with no success. I believe I've been injected with the placebo, 'cos the drugs don't work. It all sounds the same (on my studio speakers). [Edited to move full stop outside of parenthesis, since no primary or main clause appeared therewithin. So now it's without. Pure effort!]
The sound on your vocal is both weird-ish and interesting at the same time. It sounded pretty good on all settings on the track. That price though....I like it when gear doesn't break the bank, but I'm always suspicious at Behringer prices for various reasons...
It would be nice if you can upload lossless versions of the audio somewhere like SoundCloud. I didn't hear a difference between settings, and it would be nice to confirm whether it is my hearing that sucks, or the UA-cam codec
The youtube codec is doing nothing to mask the differences. I’m sure soundcloud would do a far worse job! The differences are subtle, but I can clearly hear them straight off YT, more so on some monitors than others
LOL at the parallel processing ...
F*CK - Keep the puppets in man!!! :D
Loved the track too, who was it?!
It’s a track licensed from EpidemicSound, with either a monthly subscription or a one-off purchase of the song available.
Because they are a record label, most of their stuff is usually available online, however this one is actually a little hard to find.
It’s called Love Me Unconditionally by Care Be, Levitaté and by Anya Gold.
There is a version on UA-cam:
ua-cam.com/video/GcgZkdeBKSs/v-deo.html
This and the Roland unit have the dry signal already mixed in and maybe even in various amounts based on those buttons. There is no 100% wet signal, this was already all perfectly balanced the way they wanted it based on just throwing the full signal through. When you mix 50% in you are not only possibly introducing phase issues but not listening to it as it was intended.
Had mine modified by Revive Audio, and it definitely improved the bandwidth.
I really, really need this device! Such a muppet seems to be very useful in every studio! Oh ... this video was about the unit ... OK:
The difference from 0-1-2-3-4-all was quite subtle. I was using my DT770 for listening. The way from all-to-0 was really audible. So for me it would be more easy to get the "impact" if you go from 0-1-2-3-4-all-0 but then from 0-all-0-all-0-all - then I could catch better what this unit really did to the sound. After getting somehow used to the change I could better understand if you go 0-1-0-2-0-3-0-4 to get the difference and of couse also 0-1-2-3-4 as you did. This is just my humble opinion - but other comments stated, that the differences are subtle and this would increase the understanding for this effect - at least for me.
But anyhow - great review, love (and added) your channel! Even if I'm not interested in this device I love to see gear reviews ... to get to this decision.
Keep up your excellent work! Cheers from Berlin, yours, Stefan
Thanks for your suggestion Stefan, we'll take that into consideration for the next gear review video!
Very subtle change in settings.
No so subtle that they all sound worse than the original mono, hideous phazing why would anyone want to buy this?
@@suereed to add phasing....?
The Kt2a still sounds unreal for the price.
It’s amazing
I run everything through it
Roland has a SDD-320 emulation in the Zenology plugin, too bad you can't use it standalone to see how it compares to this. It would maybe be possible with the MC-707 and some routing tricks, need to try that ...
did you ever get the K-2A replaced?
Would have been nice to hear a comparison with the UAD and Arturia plugin versions.
I use the UAD version all the time, and if this hardware ripoff is a noticeable improvement then it might be worth considering at that price. Although, I'm one of those who prefer to have as little hardware as possible.
I’d stick with the plugin, Henrik!
I have one and it was a super low price , I find the effect subtle but it does sound good and it makes whatever you put in it sound better. It looks good and is built well. Nothing awe inspiring but the real roland machines are too expensive.
Dear Behringer. I'm sure no one would have complained if you'd have taken advantage of your modern IC circuit designs and made it 1U instead of the 2U Roland design.
nope
If one had space in a rack for live use it parallel through an analog desk it would be great and cheaper than buying a dc2w pedal and negate the need of using 2 or 3 amps to achieve the same results….! Plus being able to switch it on and off with a loop switcher like the boss es5 would save space on the pedal board which is ideal for a tidy pub band that do there own sound!
Behringer bought the name many years ago.
Cat:"I'm not amused"
is it true that these machines kill low end? and did the originals do that too?
Couldn't stop watching those puppets haha. Whats the artist/song, as I really enjoyed it? (Shazam didn't identify it).
You can buy it for licensed use on a one-off payment or on a subscription from www.epidemicsound.com
Normally their stuff is also on most streaming platforms as 99% of it is commercially-released music, however this one particular song doesn't appear to be on there unfortunately.
If you want to try to find it though, the song is called "Love Me Unconditionally" by "Caro Be, Levitaté & Anya Gold"
@@PresentDayProduction Cheers guys! Found it on YT: ua-cam.com/video/GcgZkdeBKSs/v-deo.html (for anyone else interested)
Nice find!
So you can Polish a Turd in another Dimension?
THE CAT, THO!
Funny video (and a good one), throwing a moral critique jab while complimenting on build. The connections straight on the pcb make me shiver... They really should've added MIDI connection for control. Or at least have the remote connection in the back. Nice copy but if you're making the insides modern, please upgrade the usability to 2021 as well. I swore this wouldn't end up in my rack, firstly because it wasn't that amazing of a chorus to me, secondly because it's the size of a tube power amp, and thirdly because of the usability. But I've changed my mind about the sound, even though it doesn't quite match the original and because it's the same price as a regular pedal (well, the build is not different from a regular pedal either, no big transformers or the repairability/modability as analog big through hole component circuits). The size is still a turn off, as well as the impracticality. Part of its attraction comes from it being so unorthodox in so many ways though.
On the vocal mix it seemed like one of those things where it's there but it's so hard to pinpoint exactly. I totally didn't expect to struggle to hear the difference between all buttons vs bypass back to back. Isolated afterwards would be nice to reconfirm. It was very obvious in the beginning isolated and in series I assume, in the mix there was so much happening. For people looking for some of those specific 80's classic guitar tracks this might hold more value despite the limited controls, it's just really hard to justify in a modern gig rack for needing more elaborate gear just to control it in the chain.
When you say £350, that sounds cheap. Until you find out the release year was 1979 and that translates to roughly 1060€ of today's money. But considering £1500 still being ~1700€, that's still remarkable.
I don't know if it is UA-cam or not but, I am not really hearing any difference, of course The only thing I am focusing on are the ridiculous finger puppets, WTF guys?
Thanks alot!
I know Behringer has to be pure evil, but I looked into far more expensive units lately and quite a lot of them were also made in China, without one getting a glimpse into the factories.
Regarding rip offs, thats a different story. When it comes to 50 years old gear, I'm fine with that, but I also remember the Mackie 8 bus copy, while it was quite recent and just months ago the Blue Yeti clone and that's not ok. Behringer have the funds and ressources to come up with original designs and there's plenty of vintage gear to copy, but maybe they like the hate?
The unit is maybe cheap, but your review is priceless, as always.
Buy the boss waza chorus so good!!!!
what's with all the puppet hate on the internet. feel like this is also why techmoan started adding a disclaimer before the puppet sketch. i don't get it.
I dinged the dingdong.... and didn't get arrested. Result!
Seems groovy. I know they're copying the original, but could have quite easily designed it to take up a single rack space. I thought I'd get tired of the puppets. I was wrong. :-)
I heard this unit is thiner sounding & lower dB.
I am thinking to buy one and add a BBE Sonic Maximizer (to at least enhance bass, like a mod).
I also heard this unit can me 'modded' like other units. yes?
all the pedals don't do it. and to use plugs, a computer-dependent (digital) system is needed.
so far, this is it! wondering if a year or so later, owners are satisfied.
You know, this unit 's circuitry 'could' be re-housed in a long pedal. Just sayin'.
The puppets make me happy.
Is it me or are there cats taking over the universe? 😎
there's no need to have the stereo mono switch on the front because you still need to go to the rear to switch out the cables
After Behringer bought them KT stopped making their high end units and started to clone stuff cheaply... I just don't like it :(
I mean KT has some very good stuff of their own and they can make quality gear.
Midas hasn’t made a new model high-end console since they were purchased either.
@@jcnash02 Frankly, they haven't needed to... they cater perfectly to their market and there's not much more to be had than more processing power and more channels.
Mixing desk of that scale are not something that needs refresh every two years.
@@Mtaalas I agree. Klark has made there clones that sound good for low money 💰 and it's doing well for them.
You should credit the song you used in your video. It's amazing, but I can't find it anywhere when I search on the lyrics. What was its name?
I finally found it! For anyone else looking, it's:
Caro Be & Leviaté feat. Anya Gold - Love Me Unconditionally
It’s a track licensed from EpidemicSound, with either a monthly subscription or a one-off purchase of the song available.
Because they are a record label, most of their stuff is usually available online, however this one is actually a little hard to find.
It’s called Love Me Unconditionally by Care Be, Levitaté and by Anya Gold.
There is a version on UA-cam:
ua-cam.com/video/GcgZkdeBKSs/v-deo.html
Can I buy that song?
You can buy it for licensed use on a one-off payment or on a subscription from www.epidemicsound.com
Normally their stuff is also on most streaming platforms as 99% of it is commercially-released music, however this one particular song doesn't appear to be on there unfortunately.
If you want to try to find it though, the song is called "Love Me Unconditionally" by "Caro Be, Levitaté & Anya Gold"
Imagine the turd dimension though
Here comes the price increase
So it's for mastering right ???
No, it's for anywhere you need some chorus. But it can do nice things to a stereo file too
its radicicolous that that is in a 2 space rack.
I think rackdiculous is the word you’re looking for! 🤣
Ellie Goulding's next single haha
When it comes to anything Music Group does one has to ask themselves if they like Uli's kind of business behaviour.
Do you like the behaviour of who-ever made your smartphone?
@@jakobole Apple in my case. Yes. Contrary to Uli they have to my knowledge never harassed a journalist, filed a lawsuit against the same, tried copyright claim on brand names already in use or being a well know surname, building a business that's based on copying an existing mixer design, falsely claim that he constituted an organisation to get poor kids music instrument (and then not did what he promised) etc.
Although yes, Apple has most likely done things I wouldn't agree on.
If you like Uli's products, go for it. I've owned one many years ago but prefer to show my disliking to his kind of business idea and behaviour by choosing to not buy anything from his company.
Song name?
You can buy it for licensed use on a one-off payment or on a subscription from www.epidemicsound.com
Normally their stuff is also on most streaming platforms as 99% of it is commercially-released music, however this one particular song doesn't appear to be on there unfortunately.
If you want to try to find it though, the song is called "Love Me Unconditionally" by "Caro Be, Levitaté & Anya Gold"
It's on UA-cam: ua-cam.com/video/GcgZkdeBKSs/v-deo.html
If you don't like puppets, you don't have a heart. The "3rd Dimension" is... ok.
Not how this is supposed to be used at all unless you like phase on an entire mix.
Can someone elborate on the "Behringer is evil" comments I'm seeing? I'm not in the loop on this subject apparently.
They started ripping off current products' designs from smaller concurrent companies (Arturia KeyStep, etc.).
@@barthe7606 Really? I knew they were doing a lot of clone type stuff from Roland and Korg and all that, but didn't know anything about them ripping off smaller companies. That really sucks to hear.
Sounds good. But man why the mono/stereo on the back!!!! So dumb!!!! It makes it unusable really for different kind of sources.
PUPPEEETTTSSSS!!!!! Puppets should drive busses, bake cakes, perform surgery…oh and the Klark was..meh..aha
Better to buy pedal Boss ce-2 waza craft