During the DCR validation testing for 2011-2019 model years, S&S did not find a benefit to timing the DCR pump to the engine. However, for 2020+ model years there is a small NVH benefit to timing the pump specifically when the ECM commands a certain rail pressure control mode at light engine load. For this reason and to retain product commonality across the model years, S&S recommends to time the DCR on all model years according to the S&S installation instructions. A future change to the DCR pump in Q4 2023 will add a roll pin to the pump shaft at which point the timing process will match the OEM Ford CP4 timing procedure for all model years.
The CP4 is originally timed to match the one of the two pumping heads to feed the rail/bank of cylinders that is currently firing. By timing them together it helps increase peak pressure, and keeps fuel flowing into the bank/fuel rail where it is needed most. A natural byproduct of doing this is less noise and vibration. This is because it's pumping fuel through an open door instead of a closed door. I'm assuming it also helps the injectors rate shape stay a little more consistent as well, but I am no fuel systems engineer or expert by any means...
For anyone who has this truck and is going to self install. Please send this man a donation. I am a former tech who went i to the insurance business and I can tell you this guy is awesome on these fords.
agreed, this was the best video I found, I'm 218k on my 2018 f-250, and glad the cp4 has had no issue so far, but will sleep better after I get this DCR installed
The LAST minute of this video is what I live for as a mechanic. You do a TON of work to a customer’s vehicle and when it comes to life AND doesn’t leak, it’s a great sense of accomplishment and reward for a lot of good attention to detail!
As a mechanic that does install aftermarket things once in a while...full colour instructions with clear text as to what you have to do is vitally important. The little things that make the job go so much easier.
Hey, @ssfueled running DPK now...got the DCR ordered & ARod is putting it on in July....WE NEED SOME MERCH!!!!🙏...would love to buy a shirt, hat, hoodie & wear it Proudly!!👍💪💯
You’re smarter than a fricking brain surgeon! I’m impressed. I have a 7.3 Godzilla and still watched this whole video. The Godzilla meets my needs, and with me only having basic skills (oil changes, brakes) I’m kind of glad I don’t have the diesel. I’m sure this wasn’t cheap. Good work bro!
Man, that was one hell of a nice installation! S&S really did their homework with this new pump! I have a feeling you'll be installing a LOT of these for your customers because your attention to detail is 100%. Love watching you install this stuff, taking your time, doing it right... How you do anything, is how you do everything... Nice work man and happy Father's Day!
Because of his attention to the detail, I've got a December 15th appt to have him do mine. That's what caught my eye first and foremost. Detail detail detail... Added piece of mind.
He's one of the best for sure! And yeah, his attention to detail is what makes people go have him perform work. I've learned a lot from him too!@@mopar_614
Great detailed how to video as always! Installed the DCR on my 2018 F250 this weekend in my driveway. Having watched your video along with the detailed instructions from S&S made the job go smooth. About 300 miles on the new install and truck is running great. (FWIW…I opted to leave the clutch fan and bracket assembled and just removed the 5 bolts of the fan bracket to access the vacuum pump)
Hey Aaron, I can tell you from experience that the blue loctite “GEL” is so so much better and easier to use. It stays where you put it and doesn’t make a mess that you have to clean. I build and repair firearms and loctite is always a MUST use item, before I found the gel it was ALWAYS messy pain in the tookus. Just thought I would give you another tool to place in your mental toolbox brother !
Hopefully S&S can get enough made to make this either an option or standard from the factory. Looks like it is very well engineered. Nice job on the install.
Beautiful work! Kudos on doing the full install video. I'm sure it will help many people down the road. I just hope that Ford can get on the same page and eventually offer something like this from the factory.
This is so awesome! These guys designed a great product and you made an awesome movie on how to install it. I'm defineatly going to recomend these pumps to my 6.7L customers.
Very well documented, 50K on my CP4 every trip is a will I make it home ok. I'm excited to get one installed after I find a Surgeon to perform the operation vs Flat Rate man, Nice job-
Well Done Sir! My order for the new pump is in. In hurry up and wait mode for it to arrive. I know there is a back-log already on the orders for these.
Just finished my installation. Took a bit longer than I expected because I cleaned all the parts . My upper and lower intakes were full of nasty dark soot. Also replaced the thermostate and a new drive belt since I had it all open. The return line seamed very hard to get on, I took the 8mm bolt on the valvecover and was able to get the line on and connected. Then put the 8mm bolt back on. Truck firred on first try. Your videoes are packed with info. Thanks for your skills and sharing.
@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I bought a 2017 CCV FC3Z 6A785 F. My 2013 has a sensor and my new one does not. Wonder if I have to buy one that fits my truck DG 412 AB.
Makes want a 6.7, funny my local dealer got a 350 tremor want it bad but it’s the high out put, I don’t drive enough or I would kill it. Nicely done sir
@@jasoncox2132 I’m so gun shy with my 17 now. I run fuel additive every fill up and stay on top of changing the filters and I don’t let it get low in fuel. Im definitely going with this new pump.
@@jtopdawg6 Right there with ya! I put 8 oz of Amsoil fuel additives every fill up. And I’m picky about where I fuel up. Only the newest stations that sell a lot of fuel. And filters every 10k
I highly recommend this and or the disaster kit. I bought a used 2017 F250 and about a month in experienced issues, and after dropping it off the $12k bill to replace the entire fuel system wasn't enjoyable. So whatever you do spend the $650 on the disaster kit its better then thousands.
If i only had an extra 2K...tech advances are awesome! thanks for doing these videos! i have the CP4 bypass that Ray talked to you about helping with a few months ago. Still need to get that done.
A-Rod Don't think for one minute that I won't replace mine I just ordered one it's pricey but better than replacing a motor Good job sir 👏👏🤝🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have the kit I’ll probably run that til when or if my cp4 pump fails I think that’s a fair compromise for those that don’t want to run and buy a new pump now
Doing this next week. Also doing the egr cooler with the 2017 internals. Also a newer CCV version. A few more weeks will be changing the Turbo. Also doing the cold and hot pipes from H&S.
Just picked up a 2022 f350 lariat and been loving all your content. Was wondering if you have Google doc or PDF of a maintenance schedule/Log you recommend and at what intervals
I'm kinda surprised at how long this 'fix' took to come about. These engines have been around quite a few years now, and many people have paid the price literally.. But looks fantastic. Good vid!
DId this truck have the disaster prevention kit on it? I saw the filter head unit in the drain pan. I have the kit on my truck, would love to do the swap but since I have the kit already installed and have had no problems so far with 95K miles should I keep running until I start seeing issues with my CP4? The conversion kit is not cheap!
Nice job. I’ll be getting a 6.7 soon. The old 7.3 is now 22 years old and the Salt in New England hasn’t been nice to it. I was shying away from the 6.7 for this issue and leaning to the 7.3 gas, now they have lifter and cam issues. Why Ford, why.
Aaron iam picking my 23 6.7 High out put on Monday should I change that fuel pump of should I put the disaster kit on for now what is your thoughts on that
Do you recommend using copper thread dope to help facilitate removal in the future. If the stuff works, why doesn’t Ford use it especially for the manifold bolts?
I have the 6.7 in my RV super C... 25k miles and the CP4 is showing signs of failing & out of warranty... AaaaaH! Never new of this problem since this is my first diesel. I'm not new to fixing cars, fighter and cargo aircraft, tractors, boats, ect... but I am a novice at this attempt. You may have convinced me to DIY this.
I’m wondering how much shops will charge to install this, or should I tackle this myself? I’m no mechanic but I’d be willing to pay 1500 for install, after that I feel like if I take it slow I think I could pull it off, especially with this video! Great video as always man!
I ordered my kit for a 17' w/ 90k and I was wondering what suggestions you have for other maintenance. Installing a new belt of course but what about the fan bracket/bearing, idler pulleys, water pump, or hoses etc?
Excellent video I'm doing my research because I'm debating between getting a 67 powerstroke diesel in a 6.2 L gas engine I'm just wondering about the leading in this is a different way of deleting everything right
So, S&S says their kit doesn't work on the 2020+ engines yet, but here you are installing one on a 2021, any idea why S&S says it isn't set up for 2020+ trucks???
Quick question why is it timed
Noise nvh
During the DCR validation testing for 2011-2019 model years, S&S did not find a benefit to timing the DCR pump to the engine. However, for 2020+ model years there is a small NVH benefit to timing the pump specifically when the ECM commands a certain rail pressure control mode at light engine load. For this reason and to retain product commonality across the model years, S&S recommends to time the DCR on all model years according to the S&S installation instructions. A future change to the DCR pump in Q4 2023 will add a roll pin to the pump shaft at which point the timing process will match the OEM Ford CP4 timing procedure for all model years.
Thanks buddy
Oh ok I see so same reason you would clock a cp3 on a Cummins is some sorta noise
The CP4 is originally timed to match the one of the two pumping heads to feed the rail/bank of cylinders that is currently firing. By timing them together it helps increase peak pressure, and keeps fuel flowing into the bank/fuel rail where it is needed most. A natural byproduct of doing this is less noise and vibration. This is because it's pumping fuel through an open door instead of a closed door. I'm assuming it also helps the injectors rate shape stay a little more consistent as well, but I am no fuel systems engineer or expert by any means...
For anyone who has this truck and is going to self install. Please send this man a donation. I am a former tech who went i to the insurance business and I can tell you this guy is awesome on these fords.
agreed, this was the best video I found, I'm 218k on my 2018 f-250, and glad the cp4 has had no issue so far, but will sleep better after I get this DCR installed
Let us know brother, we are takin people from all over
The LAST minute of this video is what I live for as a mechanic. You do a TON of work to a customer’s vehicle and when it comes to life AND doesn’t leak, it’s a great sense of accomplishment and reward for a lot of good attention to detail!
10 outta 10 bro, nice work. The world needs more people committed to quality n craftsmanship like yourself n S&S diesel.
Totally agree 💯💯💯💯💯👍💪
He’s a master of his craft 💪
🦸♀️🦸♀️🦸♀️🦸♀️
People who have that old fashioned idea that pride in workmanship is worth it. Bravo, refreshing
As a mechanic that does install aftermarket things once in a while...full colour instructions with clear text as to what you have to do is vitally important. The little things that make the job go so much easier.
Hands down the best repair/install video on the web. Extremely detailed. I feel very comfortable completing this repair at home and saving $$$.
Hey, well thanks
S&S killed it on the design and Arod with Great install video. I’ll be ordering one very soon. Glad I found this channel!
Yes sssir
Great install video, thank you for helping our customers out.
We got chu, @ssfueled
Hey, @ssfueled running DPK now...got the DCR ordered & ARod is putting it on in July....WE NEED SOME MERCH!!!!🙏...would love to buy a shirt, hat, hoodie & wear it Proudly!!👍💪💯
Yeahhhhhh!!!!
You’re smarter than a fricking brain surgeon! I’m impressed. I have a 7.3 Godzilla and still watched this whole video. The Godzilla meets my needs, and with me only having basic skills (oil changes, brakes) I’m kind of glad I don’t have the diesel. I’m sure this wasn’t cheap. Good work bro!
Love your videos bro! I wish dealers in my area had techs like you and diesel tech Ron God bless his soul.
R.I.P. DTR, see you on the other side my friend
Man, that was one hell of a nice installation! S&S really did their homework with this new pump! I have a feeling you'll be installing a LOT of these for your customers because your attention to detail is 100%. Love watching you install this stuff, taking your time, doing it right... How you do anything, is how you do everything... Nice work man and happy Father's Day!
Because of his attention to the detail, I've got a December 15th appt to have him do mine. That's what caught my eye first and foremost. Detail detail detail... Added piece of mind.
He's one of the best for sure! And yeah, his attention to detail is what makes people go have him perform work. I've learned a lot from him too!@@mopar_614
@@mopar_614 what state is he in and how much is everything going to cost to have it done?
@kevinmcquitery4543 hey brother email us. There is info we need to know before hand
Small world. I was in SC visiting a friend (Scott). He's friends with Andrew. They worked together back in the day. Great content!
Very nice man it looks good. You're a good mechanic.
Very OEM looking. Great install and excellent camera work!
Great detailed how to video as always! Installed the DCR on my 2018 F250 this weekend in my driveway. Having watched your video along with the detailed instructions from S&S made the job go smooth. About 300 miles on the new install and truck is running great. (FWIW…I opted to leave the clutch fan and bracket assembled and just removed the 5 bolts of the fan bracket to access the vacuum pump)
Good to see the real fix for the CP4 is out! Way to go S&S. I must be old school because I don't ever reuse gaskets, o-rings etc.
Hey Aaron, I can tell you from experience that the blue loctite “GEL” is so so much better and easier to use. It stays where you put it and doesn’t make a mess that you have to clean. I build and repair firearms and loctite is always a MUST use item, before I found the gel it was ALWAYS messy pain in the tookus. Just thought I would give you another tool to place in your mental toolbox brother !
Hopefully S&S can get enough made to make this either an option or standard from the factory. Looks like it is very well engineered. Nice job on the install.
NOT gonna be from the factory 😔
Thanks!
Beautiful work! Kudos on doing the full install video. I'm sure it will help many people down the road. I just hope that Ford can get on the same page and eventually offer something like this from the factory.
Outstanding install Arod! 🤙🏻
Legit work on the install. Would gladly own a 6.7 with the HPFP issue addressed.
I don't know a lot about trucks but this video was fascinating. Thanks Arod
Awesome install. Super factory looking. Definitely a game changer
This is so awesome! These guys designed a great product and you made an awesome movie on how to install it. I'm defineatly going to recomend these pumps to my 6.7L customers.
Awesome, awesome job on the install. This video will be a valuable reference! Now, I just gotta save my pennies....
Very nice job. That's got to be the best video I've seen in 40 plus years
Cmon...
Most anticipated video of the year
Riiiiiight
That’s one well designed and thought out pump system, nicely done Sir 👍😁
Brother you’ve got the patience of Job!! Those lines almost never go back like yours did!! Great job!! 🤠
Over 60 installs later.....🤣🤣
Wow that was a great video ARod, thanks for sharing you make it look so easy. Thank you
I have already ordered mine from hill diesel can’t wait to get the email that it has shipped thanks A-rod
Master level install, nice job man. That is a nice kit, well thought out with instruction detail.
good stuff, glad there is an option for 6.7 guys
truly impressive !!!
Very well documented, 50K on my CP4 every trip is a will I make it home ok. I'm excited to get one installed after I find a Surgeon to perform the operation vs Flat Rate man, Nice job-
Very nice kit, and nice video!
Well Done Sir! My order for the new pump is in. In hurry up and wait mode for it to arrive. I know there is a back-log already on the orders for these.
Thanks AROD! Awesome work and videography DS!!
Ehhhh that @DSTRUCKS he's an okay fella 🤪
SWEET!!🤩Nice job!!👌...That's way I'm making the trip to Big D!!😉👍💪💯
Love these SnSDiesel cp3 conversions! Done 2 this last year on customer trucks after cp4 disasters.
I hope S&S is paying Arod for all these videos he makes about their products…he deserves it!
We love S&S
Hell yeah man, def gonna have to do it!! Great install vid.
Just finished my installation. Took a bit longer than I expected because I cleaned all the parts . My upper and lower intakes were full of nasty dark soot. Also replaced the thermostate and a new drive belt since I had it all open. The return line seamed very hard to get on, I took the 8mm bolt on the valvecover and was able to get the line on and connected. Then put the 8mm bolt back on. Truck firred on first try. Your videoes are packed with info. Thanks for your skills and sharing.
Thanks for comin back and keepin it real
Still need to do the EGR cooler newer guts from a 2017 6.7
We do em all day
@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I bought a 2017 CCV FC3Z 6A785 F.
My 2013 has a sensor and my new one does not. Wonder if I have to buy one that fits my truck
DG 412 AB.
@ed389 you will BUT if you had recall 17M04 done, the PCM no longer looks at that sensor
I can't wait for my kit arrive!!!!!
And that's why your a freaking professional wish you were near me to do my work
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing!
Take my money and make a trip to OK 😂 or I guess I can do some wrenching. Great video! As always 🧐
Makes want a 6.7, funny my local dealer got a 350 tremor want it bad but it’s the high out put, I don’t drive enough or I would kill it. Nicely done sir
Hey Aron. Nice job. I installed mine last week, drove it about 1k miles, and it is running fine. Now I hope it last over time.
How many hours did it take ya ?
It took me about 6 hours. While you're at it, if the belt and ccv need to be changed out, do so. @@Hemi878
Awesome video! Can’t wait to have you install mine brother!
Awesome. I can’t wait to get one of these after 2 cp4 failures on my previous truck.
Was it fuel contamination?
@@jasoncox2132 the first time they say it was. The time the pump gave up.
@@jtopdawg6 Ok. Just curious cause I’m at 196k on my 17 and original pump. Little nervous about it and considering this DCR conversion.
@@jasoncox2132 I’m so gun shy with my 17 now. I run fuel additive every fill up and stay on top of changing the filters and I don’t let it get low in fuel. Im definitely going with this new pump.
@@jtopdawg6 Right there with ya! I put 8 oz of Amsoil fuel additives every fill up. And I’m picky about where I fuel up. Only the newest stations that sell a lot of fuel. And filters every 10k
Badass video bud. Nice lookin parts. 👍
Terrific video, very impressive! May have to come see for this one.
Lets do it
I highly recommend this and or the disaster kit. I bought a used 2017 F250 and about a month in experienced issues, and after dropping it off the $12k bill to replace the entire fuel system wasn't enjoyable. So whatever you do spend the $650 on the disaster kit its better then thousands.
If i only had an extra 2K...tech advances are awesome! thanks for doing these videos!
i have the CP4 bypass that Ray talked to you about helping with a few months ago. Still need to get that done.
I don't usually watch UA-cam videos, but when I do, I watch PTT w/AROD
😅😅
Now that is some funny $hit right therrrr
Tahat looks sooo nice
Awesome job bud, I will get one eventually, but for now I’ll let my DPK do it’s job. Only have 12,700 on my 22. One day 👍🏼❤️
I only have 6k in my 22’ and really want that new pump . But for now the DPK will have to work. I just gotta order one and find somebody to put it on.
A-Rod Don't think for one minute that I won't replace mine I just ordered one it's pricey but better than replacing a motor
Good job sir 👏👏🤝🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Amen
Only dude I would let work on my truck is this man right here. Where are you located?
Detroit email me!
I have the kit I’ll probably run that til when or if my cp4 pump fails I think that’s a fair compromise for those that don’t want to run and buy a new pump now
I cannot wait to install these
very nice product! Can't wait for mine to show up!!
Doing this next week. Also doing the egr cooler with the 2017 internals. Also a newer CCV version. A few more weeks will be changing the Turbo. Also doing the cold and hot pipes from H&S.
Watch our EGR video, just made 1 for that
Is it possible to keep the S&S DPK filter in line? Acknowledge it's not needed but redundancy is good should the pump grenade.
My buddy is about to buy a 6.7 gonna save the money and this video for when he does
Just picked up a 2022 f350 lariat and been loving all your content. Was wondering if you have Google doc or PDF of a maintenance schedule/Log you recommend and at what intervals
I do not but have a video we did in maint when i was in front of a white board
fantastic video
How do I know if my 2017 6.4 Superduty 4X4 has the CP4 fuel pump in it?
....2011-2024 Kevin. Yes you do
Awesome video.
Do you have to time the pump with the timing marks on 2020.
They should be pinned in the correct location. If not I believe PTT has the correct location for timing. Timing is mainly for NVH.
Just got mine installed. Did it in the garage a couple evenings after work. Highly do not recommend doing this yourself if you have low patience 😅
😂😅😂😅
I'm kinda surprised at how long this 'fix' took to come about. These engines have been around quite a few years now, and many people have paid the price literally.. But looks fantastic. Good vid!
Over 10 years
CARB
By the way Great job
The sweetest.
Nice job on showing the installation of the new fuel pump!! What’s up with the jets taking off in the background?? Lots of background noise
Star ship enterprise heater above my head
DId this truck have the disaster prevention kit on it? I saw the filter head unit in the drain pan. I have the kit on my truck, would love to do the swap but since I have the kit already installed and have had no problems so far with 95K miles should I keep running until I start seeing issues with my CP4? The conversion kit is not cheap!
Yes it did. He wanted it off but u can leave just the filter as an added filter
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Yea when I do the swap I will leave the DPK, extra filtration is a good thing.
Looking to have the cp4 replaced as a precautionary measure for reliability, are you still doing these replacements with the S&S DCR?
Absolutely. Please email us. Check the description
Nice job. I’ll be getting a 6.7 soon. The old 7.3 is now 22 years old and the Salt in New England hasn’t been nice to it. I was shying away from the 6.7 for this issue and leaning to the 7.3 gas, now they have lifter and cam issues. Why Ford, why.
6.7 all day
Should just go south and get another 7.3 😂
Watching this again. :)
🤌🤌
I have got to have this pump.
U will like
AROD is that the pusher intake system. How did it all work together?
Flawless, customer insisted on the blue. I likes their copper color & black one 😍
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod gloss black would look great with the banks setup. That's what I am leaning towards.
Good job
Right on brother
This is going to help the 6.7 so much
beautiful install, probably more than i can handle missing some of those specialty tools but i'll have to consider this for my 19.
Aaron iam picking my 23 6.7 High out put on Monday should I change that fuel pump of should I put the disaster kit on for now what is your thoughts on that
Can't really go wrong either way. Throw a DPK on it until the pump goes then do a DCR pump since you won't have to do a complete system.
Either or buddy, we'd love to put it on for ya
Hey arod! I'm about to do the dcr, question is, does piping kit really a must do? Whats the real world benefits? Thank you for the response 🙏
Yes they are legit asf
Awesome!!
Do you recommend using copper thread dope to help facilitate removal in the future. If the stuff works, why doesn’t Ford use it especially for the manifold bolts?
To help facilitate what coming apart
Id like to know what intake system is used on that truck, brand or manufacturer? Great detail on the install, absolutely looks like factory!
I think the old guy said it was a Pusher system
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARodthanks for the info! Do you think the pusher system is better than the spe system or vise versa?
After using their products and actually TALKING to them, Pusher by FAR is TOP tier 👌 Jacob will help you along the way
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod thanks for the great insight! I appreciate your time and videos! Thank you
I have the 6.7 in my RV super C... 25k miles and the CP4 is showing signs of failing & out of warranty... AaaaaH! Never new of this problem since this is my first diesel. I'm not new to fixing cars, fighter and cargo aircraft, tractors, boats, ect... but I am a novice at this attempt. You may have convinced me to DIY this.
Email us, we haven't come in from all over the united states
I’m wondering how much shops will charge to install this, or should I tackle this myself? I’m no mechanic but I’d be willing to pay 1500 for install, after that I feel like if I take it slow I think I could pull it off, especially with this video! Great video as always man!
Come see us
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I would love to but I’m sure it’s to far I’m in south eastern Texas !
Cmon...texans are always comin thru even NM
Got one coming, Thoroughbred Diesel
great vid!
Badass
I ordered my kit for a 17' w/ 90k and I was wondering what suggestions you have for other maintenance. Installing a new belt of course but what about the fan bracket/bearing, idler pulleys, water pump, or hoses etc?
Maybe the hoses but no pulleys or idlers
Excellent video I'm doing my research because I'm debating between getting a 67 powerstroke diesel in a 6.2 L gas engine I'm just wondering about the leading in this is a different way of deleting everything right
So, S&S says their kit doesn't work on the 2020+ engines yet, but here you are installing one on a 2021, any idea why S&S says it isn't set up for 2020+ trucks???
Dam. This is filmed nice!
🫶🫶🫶🫶
But is it 😂
@@CPsGarage I wasn't in charge of the lighting
Fight fight
Lol
That intake is a work of art far superior to the factory intake