Mathematician Jordan Ellenberg breaks down Math films & TV shows

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  • @davebayer5353
    @davebayer5353 3 роки тому +500

    My wife loved Jordan's book "Shape". Partner of a mathematician is a great target audience.
    What Jordan is doing here is difficult. There is a long tradition of shining high-minded snark on popular depictions of mathematics; see for example the writings of Dan Rockmore. This genre is constrained in the same way as "conservative columnist" for WaPo, for one's conclusions need to satisfy a particular audience, and are mostly predetermined. When we read math papers, we use all of our powers to deduce what the author intended. That’s not the stance here.
    I was the math guy for ABM. Not the first; the creative team could not reach an understanding with my dapper predecessor on how to balance the needs of math and cinema. My profession is ill-equipped to help here, for our only fiction writing experience is grant proposals.
    Until Nash's breakdown, much of the math is taken from his papers. For example, in grad school Nash used all 24 Greek letters in a paper. As luck would have it, a widely circulated publicity still showed Russell Crowe staring through his dorm window with "0 < pi < 1" scrawled on the glass. Anyone who imagines that math requires great flexibility of mind would be dismayed to learn that mathematicians can be cripplingly conventional. This photo bothered colleagues who could only imagine "pi" meaning, well, "pi". A hilarious UC Berkeley email exchange wondered if the math consultant was trying to make Russell look stupid. I edited an interview on the DVD extras where Nash proudly explains this use of the Greek alphabet.
    During Nash's recovery, the filmmakers asked that the math be a fictionalized approach to the Riemann Hypothesis. Nash himself asked me about the porch clipboard, a novel notation for continued fractions. In the library scene here, the blackboard is adapted from famous related work in the 1960s. Nash is being generous with the grad student who missed the memo on covering spaces. I had this exact conversation with Barry Mazur when I saw this connection between my courses at Harvard. Barry simply responded with utter joy, "It's all connected!"
    As a failed painter, my favorite scene would be the board Nash erases. Before ABM, math in media was always four lines like a physics T-shirt. After ABM, one sees math as Jackson Pollock in ads everywhere.

    • @davebayer5353
      @davebayer5353 3 роки тому +27

      I saw film criticism in a fresh light during rehearsals.
      In preparation for the Go sequences I consulted a highly ranked player. Go boards aren't quite square, and one could make excellent arguments for either orientation. This question is polarizing in the same way as "What is pi?", and she went off on me that I was going to destroy the game of Go if she didn't immediately replace me as consultant.
      During rehearsals, Russell Crowe and Josh Lucas stumbled making specific Go moves while acting; we decided that I'd make the closeup moves with second unit. As we broke for lunch, I offered "This is why the film doesn't have a Go consultant. A Go consultant would commit ritual suicide right now." Russell suggested that they should put my phone number in the credits. Then everyone in the room recited their harshest reviews, word for word from memory, to enormous peals of laughter.
      What Ron Howard does is deliberate, and successful.

    • @bartmaas437
      @bartmaas437 3 роки тому +7

      @@davebayer5353 I loved reading your story. However I can say that the truly controversial question is "which pie are we having?" And that's from the partner of a baker (whom I still have to help with anything coming close to maths).

    • @dneary
      @dneary 3 роки тому +15

      I loved your line "our only fiction writing experience is grant proposals" 🙂 Concerning A Beautiful Mind, I went looking for John Nash's PhD thesis recently to see whether the graphs he includes in his submission in the movie of a convex hull were actually in there - I was disappointed to discover they were not - it's "just" 28 pages of terse mathematical text (which is in itself hugely impressive!).

    • @danielguy3581
      @danielguy3581 2 роки тому +1

      Do you have any insight into the origins of baffling "pen tribute" scenes?

    • @fatdad64able
      @fatdad64able 2 роки тому +1

      Oh, okay.....

  • @richardgonzalez9773
    @richardgonzalez9773 3 роки тому +1707

    I like how the simpsons leaves math jokes for people like him and the dynamite gag for people like me.

    • @adam872
      @adam872 3 роки тому +34

      It's always been unbelievably clever hasn't it.

    • @mistermarcus4281
      @mistermarcus4281 2 роки тому +11

      I had to laugh way too much about this comment.

    • @johanrunfeldt7174
      @johanrunfeldt7174 2 роки тому +13

      Those who find no enjoyment in the Simpsons show, have lost the will to live.

    • @TheLauraFacusse
      @TheLauraFacusse 2 роки тому +6

      @@johanrunfeldt7174 when they used to be clever ....

    • @taligreen
      @taligreen 2 роки тому

      I felt that in my heart and soul

  • @neclark2
    @neclark2 2 роки тому +414

    This guy taught my discrete mathematics course 12 years ago. Best math lecturer I ever had!

    • @IonizedComa
      @IonizedComa 2 роки тому

      @jshowa o I suggest looking at some UA-cam videos
      UA-cam helped me through most of my discrete math in my computer engineering classes

    • @neclark2
      @neclark2 2 роки тому

      @Maiahi UW Madison

    • @vinnieg6161
      @vinnieg6161 2 роки тому

      ''He wrote, "A is to B, as A is to A + B".
      And he means "as A + B is to A",
      because if A is to B as A is to A + B,
      that would mean that B and A + B were the same,
      which would mean that A was zero,
      which is, I think, not what he means to say.''
      After reading this 10 times I still don't know what he said

    • @davethesid8960
      @davethesid8960 Рік тому

      ​@@vinnieg6161 A/B=A/(A+B) means that A²+AB=AB whence A=0

    • @LordMizumaru
      @LordMizumaru 5 місяців тому

      Damn. You're only one teacher removed from Futurama!

  • @Dayvit78
    @Dayvit78 3 роки тому +547

    This is a really good idea by Penguin. Having the authors talk about their passion is a much better advertisement for their work than just talking about the book. If the author is interesting, we will want to read what they wrote. This guy was interesting.

    • @Kibbelingg
      @Kibbelingg 3 роки тому +21

      Indeed, and they can reach a much wider audience with this approach

  • @nicosmind3
    @nicosmind3 2 роки тому +127

    My favourite TV math scene is in Sesame Street, when the Count taught Big Bird how to count to 5. Now I didn't really buy it, birds can't speak English, and I didn't buy the acting, but boy was it passionate. It brought a tear to my eye

    • @rbitrary
      @rbitrary 2 роки тому +7

      I imagine this scene will be covered in a future episode with a zoologist. I love sesame Street, but that is a rookie mistake!

    • @YourLocalAnonAccount
      @YourLocalAnonAccount 2 роки тому

      Hands down the true OG to media and films being inspired by mathematics 😩🙌

  • @maskon1724
    @maskon1724 3 роки тому +79

    I love how Jordan saw that A is to B mistake in Pi for what it was supposed to be. Aronofsky admits this very mistake in the directors commentary.

  • @AndySDoughnuts
    @AndySDoughnuts 2 роки тому +93

    I found it funny how Jordan says mathematicians make mistakes with greater than (>) and less than (

  • @broefkip
    @broefkip 3 роки тому +202

    I am extremely surprised about how much mathmaticians are involved in the movie industry.

    • @strawman6578
      @strawman6578 3 роки тому +26

      Mathematicians are involved pretty much everywhere

    • @polreamonn
      @polreamonn 3 роки тому +37

      It doesn't add up.

    • @georgewallis2020
      @georgewallis2020 2 роки тому +10

      If they make a film with medical scenes they will generally have a medical consultant, same for maths and any area of expertise. It is definitely good to see they are talking to the right people!

    • @liquidbraino
      @liquidbraino 2 роки тому +5

      There's more math involved in filmmaking than most people realize but more on the technical side than the artistic side. Everything from film finance to focal length of a lens; lighting and electrical has some degree of math involved.

  • @Aphercotropes
    @Aphercotropes 2 роки тому +94

    IMO, Jeff Goldblum is always the best part of any movie he's in.

    • @nicosmind3
      @nicosmind3 2 роки тому +5

      I don't know about that, I reckon he was the second best actor in The Fly, and the fly was easily the best. Like I bought the fly as a fly 100%

  • @johnobrien8773
    @johnobrien8773 2 роки тому +30

    "Get me that butterfly!"
    Comedy gold. 🦋

  • @jeronimo486
    @jeronimo486 2 роки тому +88

    I mean I totally love these "An expert rates different movie scenes regarding their field of expertise"-videos, but an expert saying that a movie scene is inaccurate and HE IS IN THE SCENE HIMSELF blows my mind. Even though I work in media and worked on fictional movies and understand how this stuff happens, it still blows my mind. Incredible :D

    • @diabl2master
      @diabl2master 2 роки тому +13

      He says it's cos probably they edited some bits together. What's so weird about it?

    • @lynxaway
      @lynxaway 2 роки тому +7

      @@diabl2master come on man‚ obviously they just mean it’s a novelty for them

  • @tylerarnett9232
    @tylerarnett9232 3 роки тому +241

    I’m not mathematician but if they displayed math “perfectly accurately” wouldn’t that earn a 10/10 lol.

    • @DanCooper404
      @DanCooper404 2 роки тому +3

      It's Common Core Math.

    • @Yarblocosifilitico
      @Yarblocosifilitico 2 роки тому +25

      no cos 10/10 is just 1

    • @srignacio
      @srignacio 2 роки тому +47

      he is a college professor, we know college professor never give the highest scores

    • @emmanuelcoquet6257
      @emmanuelcoquet6257 2 роки тому +5

      Because it wasn't ambitious math

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper Рік тому

      He's judging the films on a subjective scale. Accuracy is only part of the issue.

  • @ABuffaloDub
    @ABuffaloDub 3 роки тому +68

    It’s been 10 seconds and I already like this guy

    • @kylereese6202
      @kylereese6202 3 роки тому +4

      It’s been 10 seconds, and I’m already confused.

    • @RobinLundqvist
      @RobinLundqvist 2 роки тому +2

      Haha I went through the same thing

  • @WtbgoldBlogspot
    @WtbgoldBlogspot 2 роки тому +16

    One interesting thing that A Beautiful Mind did get right is that 90% of hallucinations are auditory-only, and visual ones almost always start as auditory. Any time one of his hallucination characters appear, they're always heard off-screen first; they call out to him and then the camera turns and we see them.

    • @billh5923
      @billh5923 2 місяці тому

      What? Nothing on the movie hidden figures?

  • @bobsmith5185
    @bobsmith5185 2 роки тому +39

    The most ridiculous thing about the Good Will Hunting scene was the students. No one in lectures was that bright-eyed & bushy-tailed, so raptly attentive, or so prim, proper or chipper. And the students weren’t all so homogeneous. I rate that scene an i/10 [sic]

    • @Aphercotropes
      @Aphercotropes 2 роки тому +6

      "i/10" 🤣😆🤣😆🤣
      So true. As if math students were as ambitious and cutthroat as law students.

    • @evaxu1325
      @evaxu1325 2 роки тому +3

      i/10… suddenly a whole new dimension comes out

  • @HotelierNYC
    @HotelierNYC 2 роки тому +12

    LOVE this guy. With all his hyperactive energy and passion he kind of reminds me of Richard Dreyfus in Jaws.

  • @hypatia-du-bois-marie
    @hypatia-du-bois-marie 2 роки тому +1

    10:10 the first line is just an affine variety or something. The second line is some kind of L-function? N hat as in a completed norm and d the index of ideal q?

  • @FMSkyLoL
    @FMSkyLoL 2 роки тому +18

    McKenna Grace is quite literally gifted in anything. Doing college already, plays a dozen instruments, is an amazingly skilled actress, can apparently sing now too and that she memorized the stuff in the movie Gifted proved that even more.

  • @tobylerone007
    @tobylerone007 3 роки тому +24

    Loved this - part 2 please!

  • @christopherquigley5468
    @christopherquigley5468 3 роки тому +131

    It’s too bad that Good Will Hunting couldn’t get the math right. It’s a great movie. I would be interesting if there was some theory that we still haven’t proven to this day and Will managed to prove it over a weekend. I think if you are like me and didn’t even pay much attention to what was on the blackboard you would have liked the movie.

    • @Misteribel
      @Misteribel 3 роки тому +27

      I agree. They should've given him the Poincaré Conjecture. Difficult to prove, but not impossible, and proper level for grad students to understand (it's since been proved). Or the four color theorem, easier for the audience (color a map with only four colors and don't have adjacent colors be the same). Also since ben proved.
      Btw, the equation on the black board in the hall isn't well shown here, and it's an actual problem, however, easy enough for advanced high schoolers to solve using logic, as opposed to matrix calc. Mathologer has a video about it.

    • @pratn
      @pratn 2 роки тому +8

      There actually was a guy named George Dantzig who solved two open problems in statistical theory, which he had mistaken for homework after arriving late to a lecture

    • @High_Priest_Jonko
      @High_Priest_Jonko 2 роки тому +6

      I think Good Will Hunting was a decent movie ruined by being written by idiots. Like that cringe scene when the two guys are having a "battle of the brains" in the bar. But its just complete piffle. A smart person could have written a smart conversation.

    • @osmanyousif7849
      @osmanyousif7849 2 роки тому +2

      No lie, I did. And in my freshman year of high school I would write the theories from that movie or A Beautiful Mind on the board when my class or teacher was bored and they actually thought I was doing something very college academic and started looking to me for help. It wasn’t until I told them, “Did you not see the movie?”, that they started to realize that it wasn’t actual math.

    • @nous2025
      @nous2025 2 роки тому +1

      @@High_Priest_Jonko If you think a movie like Good Will Hunting is just "decent" I don't think you have any right to call other people idiots

  • @BlackDog97
    @BlackDog97 3 роки тому +6

    It was very interesting to listen to this professor talking in a foreign language

  • @mephystovals
    @mephystovals 2 роки тому +2

    @4:00 Additionally, at some point in the movie, when Max is explaining what the golden ratio is to Lenny Mayer, Max says that the golden ratio is represented by the greek letter Theta, when in fact, it is represented by Phi.

  • @roby9139
    @roby9139 3 роки тому +3

    Jill Clayburgh teaches the Snake Lemma in It's My Turn. My algebra professor showed this scene as he was beginning his lecture on it.

  • @mattc3581
    @mattc3581 2 роки тому +2

    I think something that was missed by almost everyone is that the very final question the girl asks in Pi is 'what is 748 divided by 238'. This is the familiar 22/7 approximation of pi with both numerator and denominator multiplied by 34. Either the film maker getting in a final secret plug for the star constant, or more darkly, too much of a coincidence and an indication that drilling his head didn't work and he is only imagining he woke up back in the real world. When in actual fact he is still unconscious/dying and his sub-conscious is still fixated on Pi.

  • @yuckyool
    @yuckyool 2 роки тому +6

    Pythagorean formula for Exp.[W%] is used all the time to estimate value added from RunCreation (hitting) or RunPrevention (fielding & especially pitching). BUT, exponent that makes the formula fit best is 1.89 +/- a bit . . . which depends on season and some park affects.

  • @polreamonn
    @polreamonn 3 роки тому +5

    @1:32 - Doesn't Homer replace the "greater than" sign with a "less than" sign?

    • @XCM666
      @XCM666 3 роки тому

      Yep, oh the irony!
      (Unless the footage we see has been mirrored).

    • @aubadeeulogy473
      @aubadeeulogy473 2 роки тому +1

      @@XCM666 Can't be mirrored, else the t(0) will look back to front.

  • @AntonAdelson
    @AntonAdelson 3 роки тому +12

    Pi is one of the best movies ever made and quite possibly the best soundtrack ever!

    • @Justin-kv8iy
      @Justin-kv8iy 3 роки тому +4

      Clint Mansell soundtrack. Moon film ost is right up there too

    • @AntonAdelson
      @AntonAdelson 3 роки тому +2

      @@Justin-kv8iy is that the movie with one actor being stuck on a moon base??

    • @Justin-kv8iy
      @Justin-kv8iy 3 роки тому +2

      @@AntonAdelson yep. With a twist, but yep. Directed by Duncan Jones, aka Zowie Bowie

  • @michaelsharpe4217
    @michaelsharpe4217 2 роки тому +1

    The Fermat Theorem counter example works on pockets calculators which are only accurate to 8 digits.

  • @kath1626
    @kath1626 Рік тому

    I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about but I absolutely love how excited he is. ❤

  • @elmksan
    @elmksan 2 роки тому

    Took number theory from Prof. Ellenberg at Princeton as a freshman in 2008. Great lecturer, awesome dude!

  • @user-fc1kb6hd8y
    @user-fc1kb6hd8y 3 роки тому +7

    I'm a maths teacher so I was trying to basically spot any of the issues as you were talking through them. I do love good will hunting but the maths is pretty poor.

  • @here_be_dragons9184
    @here_be_dragons9184 3 роки тому +12

    Penguin Books branching into UA-cam videos sounds like a joke from Bojack Horseman...

  • @WestExplainsBest
    @WestExplainsBest 3 роки тому +53

    Very pleased to see Penguin UK breakdown a core academic subject like this. Bravo!
    Also great plug by Jordan to describe why we still need math ans math education today. Should a teaching scenes breakdown be next??

  • @KillianDefaoite
    @KillianDefaoite 2 роки тому +4

    He actually missed the point of the less than and greater than sign in the Simpsons example. In general relativity, Omega is the density parameter, which is the ratio of the energy density of the universe to the critical energy density. If this parameter is greater than one, the Einstein Field Equations predict a perpetually expanding ("blowing up"!) Universe.

  • @emosongsandreadalongs
    @emosongsandreadalongs 2 роки тому +11

    The explanations of chaos theory in Jurassic Park the book are tons better than how it's presented in the movie. At least in my opinion

    • @mattc3581
      @mattc3581 2 роки тому

      Michael Crichton's attempts at scientific explanations in multiple of his books are incredibly painful though, he generally takes a vague but currently popular scientific idea and builds a huge pile of ridiculous ideas on top of it. It can make fairly interesting novels but the science is horrible.

  • @airline_peanuts
    @airline_peanuts 3 роки тому +19

    How in the world does he have such an interest in and grasp of sabermetrics, but has never seen moneyball?

    • @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers
      @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers 2 роки тому +2

      Because a lot of Sabermetric folks were rather hesitant to watch it, assuming that Hollywood would screw it up.
      Which is funny, because the things they actually messed up were the basic timeline and baseball stuff.

    • @BuriedTeeth
      @BuriedTeeth 2 роки тому

      Not everyone watches movies

  • @AndreaWitt745
    @AndreaWitt745 2 роки тому +1

    Honestly, I can't even understand the math they're teaching my kids in school these days. It's completely different than what I learned. This was great

  • @ztgglis
    @ztgglis Рік тому +1

    Homer did not replace a less than sign and change it to a greater than sign....he did the opposite! Of course, if you are reading from right to left. Goes to show that even the best make those tiny irritating math symbol mistakes....especially negative signs....

  • @renee8833
    @renee8833 2 роки тому +13

    Idk who’s idea was this to have penguin authors host these series, but it’s genius. Kudos.

  • @Sewblon
    @Sewblon 2 роки тому

    I don't know much math. But I love that Professor Ellenberg said "One of the best functions." It sounds like something that I would say. Best function! 10/10.

  • @etyodada
    @etyodada 2 роки тому

    Please correct the statement at 1:29 to 1:31. He replaces a "greater than" sign for a "less than" sign and not the other way as stated in the video. Also, at 12:38 tp 12:42; I hear: "For N to be congruent to four mod five,; the answer is a multiple of five." The mistake mentioned at 12:52 is not on the video.

  • @mvarick1
    @mvarick1 3 роки тому +11

    Such a lovely video. Thank you for this! Simply, a learned something new :)

  • @TheNitrall
    @TheNitrall 2 роки тому +16

    1) He didn't explain the math joke in the Simpsons at all. You see, at that time most calculators would display numbers to such a number of decimal places that it told you that the equation Homer wrote holds. There were really some people who noticed it, put it in the calculator and since the proof of Fermat's theorem had already been recognized and was a BIG deal they were like: What the f**k is going on?
    2) He has obviously never seen Jeff Goldblum in TV shows etc. He didn't have to act at all, he's even more math-weird in real life :D

    • @mattc3581
      @mattc3581 2 роки тому +1

      I don't know how many digits your calculator has but 4472^12 is pretty big, over 40 digits long, so I'm going to suggest that wasn't the idea of this joke.

    • @DariusKhan
      @DariusKhan 2 роки тому

      @@mattc3581 l was thinking the same. Even current calculators don't display near enough digits. (Regular off the shelf scientific calculators or apps that is).

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper Рік тому

      @@mattc3581 Yes, that would be far too large for a basic calculator.

  • @eposz2
    @eposz2 2 роки тому +1

    Actually, the sum of those numbers on the 12th power is almost equal to the number on the right. They differ only in their 11th digit, which is amazing.

  • @yuckyool
    @yuckyool 2 роки тому +6

    Also, re "A Beautiful Mind," I know from folks who work at Princeton University, and from meeting John Nash a couple of times . . . that well, let's say Ron Howard's priority was delivering an enjoyable, understandable story. Absolute accuracy was a bit lower on the list.

    • @lancewedor5306
      @lancewedor5306 2 роки тому +1

      And rightly so. Howard is telling a story, not making an historically accurate documentary, I believe. And the focus must thus be about the human response to life, triumphs and vicissitudes. This is a form he has mastered through so many projects. For me they are always compelling and expertly crafted.

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper Рік тому

      Well, they needed to keep Nash likable. So they made his disease into some kind of magical curse.

  • @omgtkseth
    @omgtkseth 2 роки тому +3

    Loved this video, the topic, the guy giving his opinion, the movies/scenes that they picked, excellent combination.

  • @adam872
    @adam872 3 роки тому +5

    Love this video. I enjoyed Jordan's book How Not to Be Wrong. I need to read it again I think.

  • @programmer1840
    @programmer1840 3 роки тому +1

    4:44 Is Jordan saying he doesn't believe that Da Vinci was interested in the Golden Ratio?
    I can't see anything about that online.

  • @happysaffa8871
    @happysaffa8871 3 роки тому +7

    I used to love maths. This guy has all my respect.

    • @huawafabe
      @huawafabe 2 роки тому

      Why did you lose the love?

    • @fredk6992
      @fredk6992 2 роки тому +2

      @@huawafabe enough maths drives you insane

  • @samholder196
    @samholder196 3 роки тому +9

    i love that comment about the US Military being like 'get me that butterfly' lol
    so emblematic of a powerful figure/institution trying to co-opt something they don't understand

    • @High_Priest_Jonko
      @High_Priest_Jonko 2 роки тому

      That's the danger of explaining math using metaphors. I spent years believing the Pigeon Hole principle is a lot simpler than what it really says

  • @jessicaschirle5974
    @jessicaschirle5974 2 роки тому +1

    There's also a super brief moment with some impressively good math in season 2 of I Think You Should Leave! It flashes on the screen for a second during the Capital Room sketch.

  • @jonnymcroberts720
    @jonnymcroberts720 2 роки тому +2

    3:50 i think i just had a stroke 🫠

  • @dedavai
    @dedavai 2 роки тому +1

    Kudos for including Pi, an underrated movie with an amazing soundtrack!

  • @sharpskilz
    @sharpskilz 2 роки тому +1

    3:28 "I just want to speak to the soundtrack" can anyone explain to me what that means?

    • @MrBANANAS1235
      @MrBANANAS1235 2 роки тому +1

      Hi Steve, the phrase “speak to” just means he wants to address the thing. So he wants to speak to the soundtrack, meaning he wants to talk about the soundtrack. Or address the soundtrack.
      From google:
      Def. “Speak to”
      [for something] to address, indicate, or signal something.

    • @sharpskilz
      @sharpskilz 2 роки тому

      @@MrBANANAS1235 I hear people using it a lot, it's obvious from context, but I really dislike it. It sounds wanky.

  • @Jon1950
    @Jon1950 2 роки тому +2

    I would love to hear his opinion on the mathematics in Hidden Figures.

  • @Dab42069
    @Dab42069 2 роки тому

    7:34 off topic, I love the this will destroy you song. Its really good

  • @trwijbenga
    @trwijbenga 2 роки тому +1

    Does this guy has his own channel? I'm only 3 minutes in and already a big fan!

  • @eelexa
    @eelexa 2 роки тому +3

    Proud to say that I knew about a few things he talked about. Unfortunately I'm not going any further than that in mathematics haha.

  • @EvanMildenberger
    @EvanMildenberger 2 місяці тому

    2:28 I think when the prof refers to a "Fourier system" outside and then when the chalkboard shows a (multi)graph problem with matrices showing the solution, the connection is related to spectral graph theory--basically, how a system represented by lines between dots can be studied in the same way that a continuous sinusoidal signal can be decomposed into its basic parts. But it probably would've been more realistic to just say there's a graph problem to solve. 🤷 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_Fourier_transform)

  • @Bfitzgerald82
    @Bfitzgerald82 3 роки тому +2

    If another video is made, I would love to see 'Stand and Deliver' looked at.

  • @derpnerpwerp
    @derpnerpwerp 10 місяців тому +1

    The professor saying something glaringly wrong and not correcting himself is, in my experience, a 100% accurate depection if a math lecture.. especially if it shows a student sitting there wondering if he is just a moron for thinking there was a mistake and missing all of the important parts of the lecture as he engages in internal debate

  • @renzpaoloogena1900
    @renzpaoloogena1900 2 роки тому +1

    For the Good Will Hunting part, I wish Jordan was shown the part where Will solved the graph theory problem on the board.

  • @crystalrage
    @crystalrage 2 роки тому

    As a child i wanted to be a mathematician or a game artist. I kept being told mathematician wasnt a real job and id never make it in the gameart world that eventually i just gave up. Mostly cause i couldnt afford college and stuff by myself when my mother refused to pay. So now i just toil away at a job i dont really like. Getting paid a little bit over 15$ and doing art on the side.
    Wish i could go back and encourage younger me and tell myself what i needed in order to be able to do what i actually wanted.
    Envourage your kids to pursue their dreams, they can always do a job they dont like as nuch if they fail, but its so much harder trying to reach what you love after you're stuck

  • @n8cantor
    @n8cantor 3 роки тому +11

    He says he misspoke in his own scene in Gifted by saying "seven" instead of "five", but at 12:38 you can clearly saying "divisible by 5". So he's only wrong about being wrong! Since he is talking about n being of congruent to 4 mod 5, the result being divisible by 5, and partitions being shown on the blackboard, I'm guessing this lecture must be about Ramanujan's famous mod 5 congruence.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanujan%27s_congruences
    ua-cam.com/video/ZSUIN8m7Bfo/v-deo.html

    • @williamavitt8264
      @williamavitt8264 3 роки тому

      He says "the answer is a multiple of 5"

    • @thefourshowflip
      @thefourshowflip 2 роки тому

      @@williamavitt8264
      I’m not a mathematician, so if there’s some detail that makes this not generally valid I’ve overlooked…apologies in advance, but if X is a multiple of 5, then is it not necessarily the case that X is also divisible by 5?
      X=5y is equivalent to y=X/5

  • @kazielbonn
    @kazielbonn 3 роки тому +8

    This guy is ruthless. Love it!

  • @alimanski7941
    @alimanski7941 2 роки тому +2

    @2:45 - Fourier transforms and Graph theory *are* very much related (through the eigendecomposition of a normalized Laplacian).

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper Рік тому

      Yes, they can be. I think that the specific terms he's referring to are _not_ remotely related.

  • @dneary
    @dneary 3 роки тому +2

    I'd be curious to see what he thinks about 21, X+Y (aka A Brilliant Young Mind), and Matthew Broderick's Feynmann.

  • @StuckCentrist
    @StuckCentrist 3 роки тому +1

    D'yall watch that video where it shows the Golden Ration is not, in fact, everywhere in nature?

  • @bradybriggs7292
    @bradybriggs7292 3 роки тому +3

    This is missing the greatest maths scene in TV/Movie history... Season 1 Finale of Silicon Valley!

  • @epicmorphism2240
    @epicmorphism2240 3 роки тому

    You should look at the scene in Beautiful mind where nash is a professor and writes the hard problem on the blackboard.

  • @Massangler1856
    @Massangler1856 2 роки тому

    How do you do this and not include the Snake Lemma scene from It's My Turn?

  • @BGNewsReporter
    @BGNewsReporter 3 роки тому +3

    1:27 I ain't no mathematician but I'm pretty sure Homer replaces the greater than sign with the less than sign, not the other way around...🤷‍♂

  • @revanii8791
    @revanii8791 2 роки тому +1

    The Adjacency problem or matrix is way easier than how it is presented in the film. The branches aren’t really that difficult to figure out

  • @alexchittenden8668
    @alexchittenden8668 2 роки тому

    I'd like to see you break down Scott Steiner's math promo

  • @carbon_no6
    @carbon_no6 Рік тому +1

    1:29 - Wouldn’t it be correct to say that Homer erased a greater than > and replaced it with a less than < sign? I believe he said the reverse of what I wrote.

  • @rickgraham7641
    @rickgraham7641 2 роки тому +1

    I was surprised at how good Gifted was. Highly recommend.

  • @acleverley
    @acleverley 2 роки тому

    Loved this so much! Can you do another one that covers math in high school movies? It's always so random!

  • @luked1974
    @luked1974 2 роки тому +1

    Has anyone caught that he makes a mistake at 4 minutes and says that A would have to equal zero, when actually B would have to equal zero?

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper Рік тому

      No, it's A that has to be zero. If A/B = A/(A+B), then (cross-multiply) A(A+B) = AB, so A^2 + AB = AB. The AB's disapear and you're left with A^2 = 0. So A = 0.

  • @WombatMan64
    @WombatMan64 2 роки тому

    Would love to see Prof Ellenberg break down the Imitation Game.

  • @markwoldin162
    @markwoldin162 2 роки тому +3

    This guy should have a show. Charming, funny, smart.
    But what about the film Proof?!

  • @AllenKnutson
    @AllenKnutson 3 роки тому +22

    Hi Jordan! I'm surprised you didn't mention the best depiction ever, Jill Clayburgh's proving the snake lemma in front of a snotty grad student. ua-cam.com/video/aXBNPjrvx-I/v-deo.html Last I saw there was still a picture of here in the Princeton math mailroom (from when she came to practice with Nick Katz).

    • @HorribleGBlob
      @HorribleGBlob 3 роки тому +2

      The GOAT of mathematics scenes in movies. Nothing else is even close.

    • @davebayer5353
      @davebayer5353 3 роки тому +1

      Credit to Dick Gross. Best math scene ever.

  • @KingKing-cz6xh
    @KingKing-cz6xh 3 роки тому +8

    In good will hunting I believe the professor had already proved the Theorem he was just using it as to see which of the students could figured it out as well

  • @doctorpanga290
    @doctorpanga290 2 роки тому

    "Also no longer believed that Da Vinci was interested in the golden ratio".
    Where can I find a source to this statement?

  • @taf8903
    @taf8903 2 роки тому

    At 1:28 he actually replaces a *greater than sign* with a *less than sign*

  • @VoxFelis
    @VoxFelis 3 роки тому +2

    1:17 in and I'm already confused.....ahhh numbers.

    • @MrJeezus
      @MrJeezus 3 роки тому

      As Carl once said, "It's best not to think about it."

  • @Fivehotdogsplease
    @Fivehotdogsplease 2 роки тому +10

    I wondered what he thinks of the CBS show Numb3rs. That had mathematician advisors and was reported to be well received by other mathematicians.

    • @rickdesper
      @rickdesper Рік тому

      Yes, they did a good job on that show.

  • @Quaternionic
    @Quaternionic 2 роки тому

    I'm pretty sure the equation Homer changes the inequality of is the FRW-derived expansion rate of the universe. There's an H_0 in there, which is Hubble's Constant, and the sign of Omega relates to the combination of factors that impacts universal space-time curvature and/or expansion. If less than 1 you have a closed universe, equal to 1 gives a flat universe and above 1 gives a negative curvature open universe.
    I might have got some of that wrong, it's been 14 years since I last ran a numerical model involving dark energy and my last 30s brain has replaced it with information I use more regularly, like how to change a tyre or the call outs for Vault of Glass in Destiny.

  • @joannesmith2484
    @joannesmith2484 Рік тому

    I'm surprised he didn't do any scenes from Hidden Figures. Especially the scene where Kevin Costner hands Taraji Henson the chalk and she does the calculations regarding landing the capsule in front of all the bigwigs at the meeting.

  • @lindam9618
    @lindam9618 2 роки тому +11

    This was great...interesting, lively, fun. Someone posted they would like to have the TV show "Numbers" evaluated; and I'd love to have Jordan review a few clips from "The Big Bang Theory" ("Would you like to do the math?" "Yes, I think I would like to do the math.")

  • @seantilson8728
    @seantilson8728 2 роки тому

    How are zeta functions important in physics?

  • @vast634
    @vast634 2 роки тому

    The good old movie trope of some kid showing up, turning into Gauss without any formal education.

  • @THEMathHacker-121
    @THEMathHacker-121 3 роки тому +3

    Ironically Jordan makes a mistake at 1:31

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 3 роки тому +3

    Loved the movie Gifted! On the first watch I did a double take when I saw Jordan in it haha

  • @nnaammuuss
    @nnaammuuss 3 роки тому +3

    11:22 right after in the same scene the guy goes on to say: _‘...the functor is in the two categories,’_ which is pretty irritating too.
    And Russell Crowe goes: ‘mm-hmm!’ 😆😆😆

    • @98danielray
      @98danielray 3 роки тому +1

      maybe they mean in the "2-categories" kekw

    • @coolpapabell22
      @coolpapabell22 3 роки тому +1

      A prof just nodding along to a grad student saying dumb things doesn't seem far-fetched to me. :D

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple 2 роки тому

    Homer's inequality error reminds me of the cartoon I drew some years back. You see a rocket hurtling downward, and one of the people in the capsule says, "But all I missed was the sign!"

  • @fefferryerr1818
    @fefferryerr1818 2 роки тому +3

    "It's perfect, i'll give it a 9 out of 10." Someone's math isn't quite right.

  • @danthebat666
    @danthebat666 3 роки тому

    I would have liked to have seen the movie stills held on screen for longer while Jordan was talking, but I enjoyed this video.

  • @jessejordache1869
    @jessejordache1869 2 роки тому +1

    The funny thing is that Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park is playing the same Jeff Goldblum character the he plays in almost all his movies, the umm, wide speculative gestures, closetalking roundabout, never getting to the...hmmm... sort of a.....
    And the math professor, not knowing this, is like "Wow, looks like Jeff Goldblum actually spent some time doing character studies for this." Too funny.
    A+ for getting my pet peeve: THERE IS NO SYLLABUS ON EARTH THAT WOULD HAVE YOU DOING FOURIER SERIES' AND GRAPH THEORY TOGETHER trainwreck of the math in Good Will Hunting (love the movie, but the math is like they picked random sentences out a MIT Press for sciencey stuff.)

  • @PhotographyInFlight4183
    @PhotographyInFlight4183 2 роки тому

    Did I miss it, Hidden figures movie?

  • @icizay
    @icizay 2 роки тому +2

    I love that he's annoyed by Good Will Hunting. I'd felt exactly the same when I watched it.