@@antonboludo8886 prole is better. Inner party members have privileges, but those privileges might be tests itself. you have the permission, but it doesnt mean you should do it. For example turning off your telescreens. Inner party members have their own ways of walking, their own way of speaking and accents. Everything is controlled. Inner party members is the most tortured and intelligent of them all, because the party knows they are dangerous and have the ability to double think. While the outer party have some form of freedom, but is technically the citizens of oceania since they are somewhat controlled unlike the proles who have more freedom.
It also accounts for the technology at the time the original - specifically the novel - was published (around 1949). The movie stays faithful to this detail, accounting for the technological stagnation as well. Curiously enough, totalitarian states, such as 1984’s Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia, do not like technological advancement, as it generally means the enemy either has an advantage over them or it’ll inevitably be captured/copied.
Even in a totalitarian society Winston has a little bit of power. He decided, not O’Brien or another Inner Party member, on the ‘increase’ magnitude in the “choco” ration. Small power but at least he has some.
"Yeah, good, they believed in it, Parsons swallowed it easily like an animal, the girl with dark hair has some suspicions but she swallowed it as well, Syme is the smart one but he also believed in it, as long as people believed in it, what is a lie becomes truth"
The more I watch this clip the more I wonder if O’Brien promoted Winston to the Inner Party after the book ends? I know it seems unlikely given his Thought crimes and sex crimes. However, O’Brien was at pains to explain that he was trying to ‘cure’ Winston not punish him. Winston was rather good at all this stuff wasn’t he?
Eh, those two IPs are too different to really be comparable. 1984 is about nationalism, class struggle and information control. Dune is about wars for resources, leadership and God warship. WH40K complains a lot of dystopian IPs into one universe, including 1984 and Dune.
"One of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face. "
I liked what they did in the movie even though it wasn't in the book- when Winston is working and realizes that Syme will be vaporized. It was a really haunting moment, but I don't think it could work that well when read- it needs to be watched. In the book, Orwell's way to tell us what happened to Syme was good too because it came out of the blue after an unrelated chapter. The first sentence of the new one is just like hey, he's gone.
That's why I don't think it's a very good movie. you have to have first-hand knowledge of the book itself. It just feels like the whole point of the film was to give stock footage for the book.
@PatrickHutton "What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?" This is the line that I think really matters the most. It sums up Oceania. It's a state run by Insane troll logic - just an example; the police patrol the streets even though there are no laws "because Oceania is the freest in the world! We can't have authoritarian policing!" Even though being caught with a diary could get you killed. There's a lot of details that add up to a nightmare picture that I don't think you could ever put into a film. What this film did (quite well mind you) was create the images we now think of when we read the book, especially the party logo.
People talk about horror films. This. No gore, no jump scares. No beasts/monsters. The most absolutely terrifying film I have ever or will see. This is coming, we made/invited this. I’ll be gone, but our descendants will live this. From the UK (airstrip one)
We will own nothing and we will be happy. The term, "happy", however will be redefined to mean and emote something completely different than what we might otherwise think of today.
Ever since we first heard that Awkward Answer From the Past. "Well, it depends on what the definition of IS, IS". No one can truthfully answer a question
These MiniTrue scenes really make me appreciate how conveniant our tech is. Glad to know the Department of Media Production in America has an easier time controlling the past, present and future.
It's an incomplete phrase. It should be "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past: who controls the Spice controls the present." Or perhaps my memories of novels are sliding together.
KOLN555 *overdoeses* it is by will alone, that i set my mind in motion... @ _ @ lol! great fictional concept, as a trope, vast empire that runs on "good crack" i
Probably the closest real world country to the fictional Oceania in 1984 was Ceacescu's Romania. In the late 80s three persons together in a public space were considered dangerous of starting a revolt. Such was the hysteria of the regime nearing its demise.
Actually I think modern day North Korea would be closer, especially considering all the nonsense and false history they are constantly fed, and they're actually a communist nation.
The irony of Winston's work and indeed the entire minitrue, is that they are permitted to deliberately falsify or revise events, facts, and percentages but do so in their cubicles hunched over their speakwrites as though it was a crime in itself.
What a beautifully made movie. Saw it only recently, and it is I think the only movie I've seen that stayed almost completely true to the original source material.
One of the things I often wonder about is if the choco rations are going down because the incsoc is failling and cannot maintain production or if its about power. O brien implies the later but I suspect the former and o brien is just as part of the delusion as anything else.
@@ScottyDont1945 yeah the inner party have been fed a seperate line of lies by deluding themselves that their failure is success. The proles and outer party is fed lies about reality and the inner party lies to itself by mistaking brutality for power as the system rots. With that in mind it's probably worth noting the appendix implied oceana failled as it's written in past tense
I mean you could argue that it's simply a method of maintaining power - maintaining or bringing down ration levels in order to exert further control over the populace, making it so that they believe they are receiving the same amount or greater when in reality it's been steadily decreasing. At the same time, however, it does seem like a lot of work for just an illusion of luxury and comfort when providing the real deal would go much further in keeping population loyalty. Personally I think the whole murkiness itself is control - in the environment of Oceania and the Inner Party you can't be sure about if the amount of available chocolate rations is actually decreasing due to logistical or production inadequacy, or if it's a deliberate exercise of power. If the former, the sheer amount of paranoia in society ensures that people either never fully believe that there is an actual shortage or are too scared to commit to a food riot, and if the latter then the lower Party members can't even afford to act disgruntled.
Yeah its one of the interesting aspect of the story. The objective reality of the situation is hard to pin down, it's hard to know if the inner party are even aware of the truth. I tend to lean towards the system is failling from visual ques in the movie . Everything is run down and dilapidated including inner party and thought police stuff or things which absolutely need to function well.O brien looks rather tired and sick and the internal pogrom is now harming people it's a bad idea to harm like Tom and smye
Hey, this has the scene I was hoping to find in a video, the one when Winston found out Syme was going to be vaporized. It's such a powerful scene, imagine being in Winston's place. And I appreciate it the director had this idea, since it's different in the book, and that way (simply saying "Syme is gone" after an unrelated narrative) could never work in a movie, but it's brilliant in a book. Just like this scene couldn't work when read, but it's so haunting when seen, without any words.
No, because Oceania doesn't care about truth. In real news, the truth is recorded and then the headlines made the reflect such. In Oceania, the headlines and recorded and then the "truth" is made to reflect such.
@@drmaulana2600 You're right, it's not a country I forgot, it's actually a bunch of islands in Pacific ocean like New Guinea and Easter Island. So it's more than one country.
When I first read 1984 I thought it was the future. Later I thought Brave New World was the future. Even later I thought neither. And now in my late middle age I thinking again that 1984 is the future.
TBH this reminds me of how a lot of mainstream news outlets from all over the political spectrum will tweak and edit digital articles after they come out, often without disclosing they have done so.
Not that it's strictly a bad thing, but this is revising news reports at its worst. It's just something that if you do too much of without any ethics, you'll just be replacing one piece of nonsense with another.
@@misterprecocious2491 LOL. That's precisely it. I imagined it was something like this but thought it could have a deeper reference. But I would change that quote, "Brazil is like 1985 meets Brazil", the flick is a precise mock, as our 1964-1985 dictatorship was just as a joke in being a totalitarian dictatorship as Brazil's (movie) one was
Maybe bother to read tge book or watch tge movie. Here, there is no luxury, not even for Inner Party members. It's all about power and control. To have luxuries would be a step in unjustifying tge war.
@@re1010 Read it (long time ago), watched the movie (starring John Hurt) and listened to the audio book (couple years ago)... Orwell largely focused on Winston and did not explore the living conditions of the Big Brother leadership. Winston is a civil servant in service to the Ministry of Truth and Big Brother, he would enjoy more privilege than any lower-class non-apparatchik. I expect that inner party members, such as O'Brien, might enjoy graduated levels of comparative luxury. Huxley, on the other hand, did explore class hierarchy in his contemporaneous dystopian novel.
Idk Winston's making more money at the end. He seems to have that going for him. And he can also afford to smoke and drink in the same day which I can't do. I guess I shouldn't have graduated college with no loans.
6:33 The guy with the blonde hair looks young to be an inner party member. I wonder how many people he outed as thought criminals in order to further his career.
it's actually kind of a missed opportunity here, they could have gone with "25 gramm rations _increased_ to 20 gramm". you know, just to show you how powerful Newspeak really is, that you even forget basic Maths
yarpen26 Newsspeak doesnt effect comprehension of maths, in fact during this time, nobody spoke newspeak day to day. Just governemnt control of the masses
I think Winston is in the ministry of truth for the whole movie ,and the green field we see now and then is the real world,a beautiful peaceful place,but Winston must think only in double think to keep the system going,believing hes in a country constantly at war abroad but his ideas could lead to sedition ,so has to go through all that he went through before being let back out so he thinks the world is doomed but its really not.hes 101 the whole time and has been for years,most likely.
As it says in the book, he's simply too intelligent- the party believes that his intelligence means he has the capacity to think for himself, and because of that possibly question the party, and so must go. 'one of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face.' as it says when Winston talks to him. Also maybe because Syme was one of the people working on newspeak, and so had to have some kind of understanding of the words that they were making 'unthinkable' by removing them from the language- liberty, self expression, free will, and so on- which the party sees as a threat as in their eyes merely understanding them is as dangerous as actually carrying them out (thoughtcrime). He didn't get vaporised because of anything he did, rather because of what the party believed he could due to his intelligence.
There's actually genuine doubt that he was disloyal in the first place. He was reported by his daughter, who may have misheard his whisper & she could have just made it up to begin with.
@@fruroo9723It was Parsons. Parsons said he talked in his sleep, and that his daughter overheard him accidentally talking bad about Big Brother while doing so.
Syme knows how the system works, and he MIGHT use that against the party IF he ever changes his mind. The party saw him as a potential threat. So he was vaporised.
Seems like a plot hole to me from the book and the movie, why would they ever print bad news in the first place just to have it altered later? The only reason I can think of is they're playing a game the whole time, they're trying to recruit Winston to the Inner Party but his decision to read the Goldstein book rather than turn O'Brien in is his downfall.
They dont print bad news, it is just that the party needs to be infalible, so, for example, if they said that the chocolate ration is gonna be increased to 30g, and later the production cuota to make that a reality doesnt happen, then they have to change it. Or if the Eurasian/East Asian offensive doesnt happens when it was said, or even when the enemy changes.
A system that controls the human and the human serves the system ,instead of the system (which is man made) serves the people.it does ,but only a certain class..
Alternative Facts - should have been in newspeak - and Rupert Murdock owned the times by 1984 so it would not really need altering as it was pretty much all fiction in the first place
I was a a kid when I read this book 10 years ago. It was a good translation in French. I don't remember understanding everything, but I thought it was an interesting book. Today I realise the things that were written in that book are becoming facts year after year. Newspeak? That's what our politics use. The title of this video? What is the US gov trying to do removing confederate statues? Goldstein? Trump, Putin, LePen, every populist (though they are far from perfect). Big Brother is the Big Data, we reveal willingly all our lives, our thoughts, our desires to our computer and by extension, to the ones that can access that data. And we are still fighting THE ENNEMY, Terrorism, Russia, North Korea? The people need to cower in fear, to be too preoccupied by the danger that is so close to them so that they cannot think on its condition. As time passes, I think this over and over. Are we that blind? Am I the one thinking too much and seeing ghosts of a fictionnal distopy in real life? Will I ever find the answer? And more importantly... Will it even matter?
I think you’re looking too much in only one direction. The radical left, who were the ones in charge in this film, are busy trying to force everyone into newspeak political correctness. Some topics may not be spoken of. To do so is to be labeld an unperson.
Orwell did not create the techniques he described in the book, he simply collected all those unpleasant tactics and concentrated them in one absolute totalitarian government. That's how it's been for the last century, at least.
Do you honestly not know the difference between (a) rewriting history for the sake of current political power and (b) saying we should not have statues honoring people who turned traitor to the United States so that some people could own other people as property?
@@defenstrator4660 Orwell was a radical socialist who fought in Catalonia for the anarchists against both fascists and the communists. Ingsoc represents both right-wing appropriation of leftist terms like the NSDAP, and counter-revolutionary elements. Big Brother represents Stalin, the right-wing traitor, and Goldstein is Trotsky, the exiled true revolutionary. The chief political divide within the book is between these two figures. Winston himself is a socialist. He aligns himself with the supposed underground socialist resistance, with the goal of liberating the proles into a true socialist revolution.
@@dylanabela4058 I have read a Homage to Catalonia and am aware of Orwellks political leanings. Note that Orwell fought with the Anarchists, and was more opposed to authoritarianism than far left causes. If alive he would absolutely be comparing the politically correct language with new speak.
>hew hew cnn >hew hew fox news >hew hew look at me i can give an oh-so-fitting name to what is literally supposed to be an exaggeration you can now go ahead and sarcastically call me "an enlightened centrist" just because i refuse to play that game up there.
This is actually a documentary about The West. You may find it interesting to learn that V.I.Lenin was trained in Switzerland and sent to Russia to topple the Holstein-Gottorp emperor. Nicholas 2 von Holstein Gottorp emperor of Russia was cousin of George 5 von Saxe Gotha king of Great Britain
Awakened2Truth - Disciple of Jesus the Christ I meant is it weird that I got so engaged in the book, I learned it's language. This conversation is doubleplusbad comrade.
@@DanieliusGoriunovas Certain topics are dictated by the moderators wishes. For instance, the page on crossdressing serial killers (and any record of it) was deleted a few years back, because it was decided to be "inconvenient" information.
@@muffinman6048 But that category was deleted not for that reason. You can check the disccusion logs (2019 July 7), where it was democratically concluded that the category simply: 1) Doesn't have enough content (2 articles was not enough for a category); 2) Sexuallity wasn't a worthy categorization at that time per the "Overcategorization" rule of Wikipedia. Of course, maybe due to recent event the category could be bringed back (if it has more content) - and anyone who wishes to do that can do it. I am just arguing, that democratic additions or removals aren't like in 1984 :D
Joe Kennally Thank you for pointing out this obvious fact. After all, all those TSA agents fondling our penises and vaginas and all those NSA agents listening in on our phone calls and e mails are only trying to protect us from "terrorists", most of whom are poor and brown skinned. My rule of thumb in life is that everyone is lying to me until proven otherwise. If this were an ideal world Barack Obama would be put on trial as a war criminal and thrown in prison along with all the rest of the war criminals of the world, but that's not going to happen.
Even though the world is divided by three powers that are all in the same state of totalitarian oppression and 1984 is set in Airstrip One (England). Also I agree the world is fucked to an extent with shit like the Patriot Act and shit like that however if you believe the US is as totalitarian as you claim it is how come you're not in a prison rotting or being killed right off the bat. If you want totalitarianism go to North Korea.
SombreroKing I WAS NOT IMPLYING that my country America is a totalitarian state like North Korea. IT IS NOT. All I am saying is that with the creation of sinister organizations like the TSA and the NSA that DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect us from the so called "terrorists" that we Americans CREATED with our pompous foreign policy around the world and ARE NOTHING BUT A CHEAP EXCUSE to take away all of our civil rights and civil liberties were created simply to destroy democracy. I cherish the memory of September 10,2001 because it's the last day I remember living in a democracy. By the way, our enemy North Korea is NO MORE A TOTALITARIAN STATE than our friend Saudi Arabia and people like you KNOW THAT but at the same time deny the fact. One final statement, if North Korea WAS OUR FRIEND do you think people like you WOULD GIVE A RAT'S ASS how the North Korean people were treated by their government as long as North Korea remained loyal to us?
Certainly looks like him. If you've read 1984 and A Scanner Darkly you've been well-prepped for the paranoid world of mega-surveillance and government micro-management we live in now.
1985 :"Wow what a scary sci-fi movie. Good thing it will never happen." *2019 :UA-cam censors many independent content creators like Infowars and Steven Crowder, free speech is considered hate speech, the liberal media only tells you what they want you to hear without concrete facts, Hollywood puts political agenda subliminal messages in movies and shows, if you post that you are a conservative or libertarian on Facebook/Twitter you are called a "nazi" and your account removed.* It's happening now people
There are like 3 móviles, this is by popularity the best versión, i think also the last one, i find hard someone remakes It i think i couldnt be affordable, it goes agains the actual consumerism ideology. People would be canceling Netflix next month.
Winston using a rotary phone style keyboard to type in numbers is actually really creative and sort of feels dystopian.
You seem very young.
Being "Outer Party" is the worst.
Either be "Inner Party" or a Prole is better.
@@antonboludo8886 Looks like you've had too much to think!!!
Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!
@@antonboludo8886 prole is better. Inner party members have privileges, but those privileges might be tests itself. you have the permission, but it doesnt mean you should do it. For example turning off your telescreens. Inner party members have their own ways of walking, their own way of speaking and accents. Everything is controlled. Inner party members is the most tortured and intelligent of them all, because the party knows they are dangerous and have the ability to double think. While the outer party have some form of freedom, but is technically the citizens of oceania since they are somewhat controlled unlike the proles who have more freedom.
It also accounts for the technology at the time the original - specifically the novel - was published (around 1949). The movie stays faithful to this detail, accounting for the technological stagnation as well. Curiously enough, totalitarian states, such as 1984’s Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia, do not like technological advancement, as it generally means the enemy either has an advantage over them or it’ll inevitably be captured/copied.
Even in a totalitarian society Winston has a little bit of power. He decided, not O’Brien or another Inner Party member, on the ‘increase’ magnitude in the “choco” ration. Small power but at least he has some.
"Yeah, good, they believed in it, Parsons swallowed it easily like an animal, the girl with dark hair has some suspicions but she swallowed it as well, Syme is the smart one but he also believed in it, as long as people believed in it, what is a lie becomes truth"
That was the whole point. Each member of the Party is only allowed the individual power to increase the collective power of the Party.
What’s your point?
The more I watch this clip the more I wonder if O’Brien promoted Winston to the Inner Party after the book ends? I know it seems unlikely given his Thought crimes and sex crimes. However, O’Brien was at pains to explain that he was trying to ‘cure’ Winston not punish him. Winston was rather good at all this stuff wasn’t he?
@@highvoltageswitcher6256 I doubt it. It seemed like Winston was simply given a sinecure to spend his remaining days until the Party vaporises him.
Love the Wallpaper on those PCs
LOL
It’s kind of cool how the movie held true to the technology in the book.
Looks like you've had too much to think!!!
Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!
Of course brother that Scatman wallpaper is dope 🔥🥵
animated wallpaper
And he who controls the spice controls the universe.
Eh, those two IPs are too different to really be comparable. 1984 is about nationalism, class struggle and information control. Dune is about wars for resources, leadership and God warship.
WH40K complains a lot of dystopian IPs into one universe, including 1984 and Dune.
Wasn't Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin, known as a "humble importer of spices"?
Gin, cigs, w.e....
And who controls the universe, controls Grayskull.
@@centurionzen1005 Dude, it's just a joke.
"One of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face. "
I liked what they did in the movie even though it wasn't in the book- when Winston is working and realizes that Syme will be vaporized. It was a really haunting moment, but I don't think it could work that well when read- it needs to be watched. In the book, Orwell's way to tell us what happened to Syme was good too because it came out of the blue after an unrelated chapter. The first sentence of the new one is just like hey, he's gone.
kev3d The fact that Winston knows what will happen to Syme is just as horrifying. Thoughtcrime does not entail death. Thoughtcrime is death.
It was really nicely done how they portrayed that in the film.
And he won a chess competition.
He may not have been vaporized. For all we know his fanaticism could have gotten him into the ranks of the inner party.
First time I realized even the newspaper is written in Newspeak.
Looks like you've had too much to think!!!
Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!
just shut up and swallow it. Big Brother is watching.
Dude are you trying to get us all vaporized?
I wish someone on youtube made a video explaining this movie frame by frame due to how foreign yet interesting these scene looks
That's why I don't think it's a very good movie. you have to have first-hand knowledge of the book itself. It just feels like the whole point of the film was to give stock footage for the book.
I read the book as a child. I don't think you need to read the book to understand the film.
@PatrickHutton "What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?"
This is the line that I think really matters the most. It sums up Oceania. It's a state run by Insane troll logic - just an example; the police patrol the streets even though there are no laws "because Oceania is the freest in the world! We can't have authoritarian policing!" Even though being caught with a diary could get you killed.
There's a lot of details that add up to a nightmare picture that I don't think you could ever put into a film. What this film did (quite well mind you) was create the images we now think of when we read the book, especially the party logo.
What movie?
Do your own homework. Film appreciation is an elective course.
People talk about horror films.
This.
No gore, no jump scares. No beasts/monsters.
The most absolutely terrifying film I have ever or will see.
This is coming, we made/invited this.
I’ll be gone, but our descendants will live this.
From the UK (airstrip one)
What is even more scary is we are sinking into this unperson reality daily.
When your only stand is to kill yourself before they execute you.
I feel the same way. Not everyone is aware, but it has already got its roots established here in the states. Terrifying and depressingly sad.
We will own nothing and we will be happy. The term, "happy", however will be redefined to mean and emote something completely different than what we might otherwise think of today.
Yeah guys this is super deep like our society is just falling apart oh man what do we do
@@Chreeeis We should be more aware about this and not complying everything, that our world leaders tells us. Covid-19 is a really good example.
This clip is not taken from a movie but from the security footage of the offices of X formerly twitter.
Won't be long before calling it twitter would be considered an act of rebellion. "The party says it had always been called x, and they invented it."
Ever since we first heard that Awkward Answer From the Past. "Well, it depends on what the definition of IS, IS".
No one can truthfully answer a question
These MiniTrue scenes really make me appreciate how conveniant our tech is. Glad to know the Department of Media Production in America has an easier time controlling the past, present and future.
Literally 1984
"He who controls the past, commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past."
-Kane, Command & Conquer Red Alert
It's an incomplete phrase. It should be "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past: who controls the Spice controls the present." Or perhaps my memories of novels are sliding together.
+KOLN555 , mixing up 1984 and Dune ?
+KOLN555 Twat.
KOLN555 *overdoeses* it is by will alone, that i set my mind in motion... @ _ @ lol! great fictional concept, as a trope, vast empire that runs on "good crack" i
Who controls Spice, controls Universe!
If Spice alone allows travel between stars, and only Arrakis has Spice...how in hell did humans reach Arrakis in the first place?!
Probably the closest real world country to the fictional Oceania in 1984 was Ceacescu's Romania. In the late 80s three persons together in a public space were considered dangerous of starting a revolt. Such was the hysteria of the regime nearing its demise.
Actually I think modern day North Korea would be closer, especially considering all the nonsense and false history they are constantly fed, and they're actually a communist nation.
Khmer rouge?
Khmer rouge was not a country, it was madness.
OTAN
Hoxha's Albania and North Korea also came pretty close
RIP John Hurt
The irony of Winston's work and indeed the entire minitrue, is that they are permitted to deliberately falsify or revise events, facts, and percentages but do so in their cubicles hunched over their speakwrites as though it was a crime in itself.
What a beautifully made movie.
Saw it only recently, and it is I think the only movie I've seen that stayed almost completely true to the original source material.
that's where they make all those alternative facts
One of the things I often wonder about is if the choco rations are going down because the incsoc is failling and cannot maintain production or if its about power. O brien implies the later but I suspect the former and o brien is just as part of the delusion as anything else.
I think the party has already failed and is clinging to life
@@ScottyDont1945 yeah the inner party have been fed a seperate line of lies by deluding themselves that their failure is success. The proles and outer party is fed lies about reality and the inner party lies to itself by mistaking brutality for power as the system rots.
With that in mind it's probably worth noting the appendix implied oceana failled as it's written in past tense
I mean you could argue that it's simply a method of maintaining power - maintaining or bringing down ration levels in order to exert further control over the populace, making it so that they believe they are receiving the same amount or greater when in reality it's been steadily decreasing. At the same time, however, it does seem like a lot of work for just an illusion of luxury and comfort when providing the real deal would go much further in keeping population loyalty.
Personally I think the whole murkiness itself is control - in the environment of Oceania and the Inner Party you can't be sure about if the amount of available chocolate rations is actually decreasing due to logistical or production inadequacy, or if it's a deliberate exercise of power. If the former, the sheer amount of paranoia in society ensures that people either never fully believe that there is an actual shortage or are too scared to commit to a food riot, and if the latter then the lower Party members can't even afford to act disgruntled.
Yeah its one of the interesting aspect of the story. The objective reality of the situation is hard to pin down, it's hard to know if the inner party are even aware of the truth.
I tend to lean towards the system is failling from visual ques in the movie . Everything is run down and dilapidated including inner party and thought police stuff or things which absolutely need to function well.O brien looks rather tired and sick and the internal pogrom is now harming people it's a bad idea to harm like Tom and smye
Interesante, nunca había pensado eso
WE should all get a Big Brother Wallpaper for our PCs like poor Winston Smith here.....
Cloths and buildings reminds me a City - 17
Hey, this has the scene I was hoping to find in a video, the one when Winston found out Syme was going to be vaporized. It's such a powerful scene, imagine being in Winston's place. And I appreciate it the director had this idea, since it's different in the book, and that way (simply saying "Syme is gone" after an unrelated narrative) could never work in a movie, but it's brilliant in a book. Just like this scene couldn't work when read, but it's so haunting when seen, without any words.
Oh, I get it, it's kind of like the admins on Wikipedia.
Only in a much more grimm way. Since that is what edits and updates are & even science, as information changes with new discoveries.
Makes really regret not finishing my degree. This is exactly what I would have been doing.
He who controls the toilet paper must be obeyed…
Wouldn't he need to correct the entire article, not just the title?
Probably up to another department.
No, because Oceania doesn't care about truth.
In real news, the truth is recorded and then the headlines made the reflect such. In Oceania, the headlines and recorded and then the "truth" is made to reflect such.
@@trianglemoebiusOceania is a real country, kinda sucks that it's also a name for whatever this hellscape is.
@@danser_theplayer01 there is no country named "Oceania" in real life
@@drmaulana2600 You're right, it's not a country I forgot, it's actually a bunch of islands in Pacific ocean like New Guinea and Easter Island. So it's more than one country.
Unless you have been subjugated, you’ll likely not know what you’d tolerate for peace
The Macdonalds dollar menu being taken away
When I first read 1984 I thought it was the future. Later I thought Brave New World was the future. Even later I thought neither. And now in my late middle age I thinking again that 1984 is the future.
We're already pretty close. In any strictly organized society like ours we are atleast 50 percent like 1984, as it's 50 percent human nature.
Those aren't mutually exclusive.
1984 is now
I think it will be a combination of 1984, Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451.
Our times are closer to Brave New World than 1984. At least the western society
1984 is more like North Korea
TBH this reminds me of how a lot of mainstream news outlets from all over the political spectrum will tweak and edit digital articles after they come out, often without disclosing they have done so.
Not that it's strictly a bad thing, but this is revising news reports at its worst. It's just something that if you do too much of without any ethics, you'll just be replacing one piece of nonsense with another.
we were warned....
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Quite Frankly I Don't Understand ,
Can you please explain this to me
Yet you did it again...
This means that whoever controls the present controls the future
Today we look inside of Wikipedias editing room and see how all those articles are kept up to date.
Brazil was released the same year. And it shows
Why?
@@detectordegados5292 because someone once described Brazil as like 1984 meets Monty python.
@@misterprecocious2491 LOL. That's precisely it. I imagined it was something like this but thought it could have a deeper reference. But I would change that quote, "Brazil is like 1985 meets Brazil", the flick is a precise mock, as our 1964-1985 dictatorship was just as a joke in being a totalitarian dictatorship as Brazil's (movie) one was
@@misterprecocious2491 id have to put it at, "Monty Python on the bench in front of 101." I enjoy Brazil a lot but there are a lot of dead parrots.
Actually Brazil was released one year later in 1985.
0:30 look at that new hightech one of a kind super smart apple comouter
i could somehow deal with the horrible food and drink, but imagine having to work with crappy pencils like that everyday
Somewhere, someone is living large and enjoying freedom and rich colourful natural beauty at the expense of these joyless sods.
Just like the real world. For someone to prosper someone else has to suffer
"For someone to prosper someone else has to suffer."
That's not even true. Production is beneficial to everyone, and nobody suffers.
@@JoshuaButler-b6p But there's always someone at the top who decides that they get the lions share
Maybe bother to read tge book or watch tge movie.
Here, there is no luxury, not even for Inner Party members. It's all about power and control. To have luxuries would be a step in unjustifying tge war.
@@re1010 Read it (long time ago), watched the movie (starring John Hurt) and listened to the audio book (couple years ago)... Orwell largely focused on Winston and did not explore the living conditions of the Big Brother leadership.
Winston is a civil servant in service to the Ministry of Truth and Big Brother, he would enjoy more privilege than any lower-class non-apparatchik. I expect that inner party members, such as O'Brien, might enjoy graduated levels of comparative luxury.
Huxley, on the other hand, did explore class hierarchy in his contemporaneous dystopian novel.
rip john hurt
Yes Brilliant actor. One my favs. He was brilliant in "A man for all seasons" too.
"Get out !...all of you."
I half expected the theme from Brazil.
I thought this was video of the FBI editing social media content. My bad.
This brings Dilbert to frighteningly new levels.
I remember Office Space as being funnier.
Today Patrick Moore discovered Winston Smith works at Google.
Idk Winston's making more money at the end.
He seems to have that going for him.
And he can also afford to smoke and drink in the same day which I can't do.
I guess I shouldn't have graduated college with no loans.
Traveling-Stranger
Big Brother approves
Smokes and alcohol are rationed too AFAIK.
The Outer Party is supposedly far more well-off than the proles. Which is still hardly worth having most of your humanity stripped away from you.
That's... one way of looking at it
6:33 The guy with the blonde hair looks young to be an inner party member. I wonder how many people he outed as thought criminals in order to further his career.
He's not inner party because of his blue outfit. The inner party members wear black uniforms and perform different jobs.
it's actually kind of a missed opportunity here, they could have gone with "25 gramm rations _increased_ to 20 gramm". you know, just to show you how powerful Newspeak really is, that you even forget basic Maths
yarpen26 Newsspeak doesnt effect comprehension of maths, in fact during this time, nobody spoke newspeak day to day. Just governemnt control of the masses
If you can control the History Books 📚 then you can change the Future!
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
unperson MFG123, replace, Ogilvy
Your a Thought Criminal
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Someone should make a game out of this
am i the only one that notices Oceania is building stug III tanks
Maybe.
One of the points of the book is that progress is dead.
Or, there might not be any tanks made, it is all just propaganda.
@bugwar5545 indeed. Here's some doublethink for you. It very well could be both.
The blue uniforms they were wearing look similar too what the Chinese used to wear when Mao was in power.
The humble origins of Chancellor Sutler.
So familiar... Sort of makes one want to become a rogue air con repairer.
I think Winston is in the ministry of truth for the whole movie ,and the green field we see now and then is the real world,a beautiful peaceful place,but Winston must think only in double think to keep the system going,believing hes in a country constantly at war abroad but his ideas could lead to sedition ,so has to go through all that he went through before being let back out so he thinks the world is doomed but its really not.hes 101 the whole time and has been for years,most likely.
The friend speaking about chocolate rations was so good in Love Actually
Long Live the PC Dictionary!
He who controls the pants controls the galaxy
25g??? that's not even enough for a tunnocks caramel wafer!!
And Tunnocks Teacakes!
Could anyone explain me why Syme was vaporised? He was faithful to the Party and great supporter of Ignsoc ideology!!!
As it says in the book, he's simply too intelligent- the party believes that his intelligence means he has the capacity to think for himself, and because of that possibly question the party, and so must go. 'one of these days, thought Winston with sudden deep conviction, Syme will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear. It is written in his face.' as it says when Winston talks to him. Also maybe because Syme was one of the people working on newspeak, and so had to have some kind of understanding of the words that they were making 'unthinkable' by removing them from the language- liberty, self expression, free will, and so on- which the party sees as a threat as in their eyes merely understanding them is as dangerous as actually carrying them out (thoughtcrime). He didn't get vaporised because of anything he did, rather because of what the party believed he could due to his intelligence.
There's actually genuine doubt that he was disloyal in the first place. He was reported by his daughter, who may have misheard his whisper & she could have just made it up to begin with.
@@centurionzen1005 that’s parsons not syme i think
@@fruroo9723It was Parsons. Parsons said he talked in his sleep, and that his daughter overheard him accidentally talking bad about Big Brother while doing so.
Syme knows how the system works, and he MIGHT use that against the party IF he ever changes his mind.
The party saw him as a potential threat.
So he was vaporised.
Oranges and Lemons...
Most people call 1984 a cience fiction. A prefer calling It a warning.
it's an instruction manual
Most people call it both without typos so lazy they could win awards.
A history book from the 2000's.
ITs An InStRuCtiOn MaNuaL.
Jesus, come up with an original comment
Agreed
Seems like a plot hole to me from the book and the movie, why would they ever print bad news in the first place just to have it altered later? The only reason I can think of is they're playing a game the whole time, they're trying to recruit Winston to the Inner Party but his decision to read the Goldstein book rather than turn O'Brien in is his downfall.
They dont print bad news, it is just that the party needs to be infalible, so, for example, if they said that the chocolate ration is gonna be increased to 30g, and later the production cuota to make that a reality doesnt happen, then they have to change it.
Or if the Eurasian/East Asian offensive doesnt happens when it was said, or even when the enemy changes.
What if time doesn't actually exist
Time is change, and change exists. Beyond that time doesn't exist.
I thought the ration was decreased to 20 grams from 30 instead of 20 to 25.
Crime-think. Double plus un-good!
A system that controls the human and the human serves the system ,instead of the system (which is man made) serves the people.it does ,but only a certain class..
Alternative Facts - should have been in newspeak - and Rupert Murdock owned the times by 1984 so it would not really need altering as it was pretty much all fiction in the first place
I was a a kid when I read this book 10 years ago. It was a good translation in French. I don't remember understanding everything, but I thought it was an interesting book.
Today I realise the things that were written in that book are becoming facts year after year. Newspeak? That's what our politics use.
The title of this video? What is the US gov trying to do removing confederate statues?
Goldstein? Trump, Putin, LePen, every populist (though they are far from perfect).
Big Brother is the Big Data, we reveal willingly all our lives, our thoughts, our desires to our computer and by extension, to the ones that can access that data. And we are still fighting THE ENNEMY, Terrorism, Russia, North Korea? The people need to cower in fear, to be too preoccupied by the danger that is so close to them so that they cannot think on its condition.
As time passes, I think this over and over. Are we that blind? Am I the one thinking too much and seeing ghosts of a fictionnal distopy in real life?
Will I ever find the answer? And more importantly... Will it even matter?
I think you’re looking too much in only one direction. The radical left, who were the ones in charge in this film, are busy trying to force everyone into newspeak political correctness. Some topics may not be spoken of. To do so is to be labeld an unperson.
Orwell did not create the techniques he described in the book, he simply collected all those unpleasant tactics and concentrated them in one absolute totalitarian government. That's how it's been for the last century, at least.
Do you honestly not know the difference between (a) rewriting history for the sake of current political power and (b) saying we should not have statues honoring people who turned traitor to the United States so that some people could own other people as property?
@@defenstrator4660 Orwell was a radical socialist who fought in Catalonia for the anarchists against both fascists and the communists. Ingsoc represents both right-wing appropriation of leftist terms like the NSDAP, and counter-revolutionary elements. Big Brother represents Stalin, the right-wing traitor, and Goldstein is Trotsky, the exiled true revolutionary. The chief political divide within the book is between these two figures.
Winston himself is a socialist. He aligns himself with the supposed underground socialist resistance, with the goal of liberating the proles into a true socialist revolution.
@@dylanabela4058 I have read a Homage to Catalonia and am aware of Orwellks political leanings. Note that Orwell fought with the Anarchists, and was more opposed to authoritarianism than far left causes. If alive he would absolutely be comparing the politically correct language with new speak.
That is too chilling
>hew hew cnn
>hew hew fox news
>hew hew look at me i can give an oh-so-fitting name to what is literally supposed to be an exaggeration
you can now go ahead and sarcastically call me "an enlightened centrist" just because i refuse to play that game up there.
Less is more comrade, less is more.....more or less.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if only England and its people were as beautiful as this! 😊🇬🇧
Весь мир некрасив ВЕЗДЕ
Go figure the pap makes sense you want a totalitarian dictatorship
"We refuse to be treated as the doormat for the government to wipe its jackboots on."
-Desmond Tutu May 24 2004
We refuse to be the doormat for the Washington billionaire swamp to scrub their shoes on.
Forrest Coyne Monsanto is doing the same thing to farmers.
This is looks like documentic on how Russia and China works.
This is actually a documentary about The West.
You may find it interesting to learn that V.I.Lenin was trained in Switzerland and sent to Russia to topple the Holstein-Gottorp emperor. Nicholas 2 von Holstein Gottorp emperor of Russia was cousin of George 5 von Saxe Gotha king of Great Britain
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Russia... lmao get a clue
The cold war is OVER. Has been for decades. It's one of the top capitalist countries of the world for decades now
Even those two are more free, try north korea.
he who controls the controller control the control
We have chatgpt man and if it was here a new office scenario. all these would be begging unemployed on the street.
And he who controls the future, conquers the past
Is it sad I can read, write, and speak Newspeak?
nope. where were going youre gonna need it
put that in your RFID chip and smoke it
+Awakened2Truth - Disciple of Jesus the Christ No, it means I'm a huge nerd.
+Awakened2Truth - Disciple of Jesus the Christ Does it matter which?
Awakened2Truth - Disciple of Jesus the Christ I meant is it weird that I got so engaged in the book, I learned it's language. This conversation is doubleplusbad comrade.
Ah yes. Wikipedia
Life isnt a movie where everything has beem decided, there r millions of possabilitys every second of the day
is that Gregor Fisher?? with hair
So ... a bit like Wikipedia, then ?
You are absurd to declare that.
@@DanieliusGoriunovas I mean... anyone can edit it. It isn't exactly very reliable.
@@muffinman6048 true, but it's not centrally censored! So it's not like 1984, it has different kind of problems :-D
@@DanieliusGoriunovas Certain topics are dictated by the moderators wishes. For instance, the page on crossdressing serial killers (and any record of it) was deleted a few years back, because it was decided to be "inconvenient" information.
@@muffinman6048 But that category was deleted not for that reason.
You can check the disccusion logs (2019 July 7), where it was democratically concluded that the category simply:
1) Doesn't have enough content (2 articles was not enough for a category);
2) Sexuallity wasn't a worthy categorization at that time per the "Overcategorization" rule of Wikipedia.
Of course, maybe due to recent event the category could be bringed back (if it has more content) - and anyone who wishes to do that can do it.
I am just arguing, that democratic additions or removals aren't like in 1984 :D
We happy few anyone?
The mentor to the game.
Idk what this guys job is but it seems like just a few of them can ruin a lot for the dictator.
There is no dictator, Big Brother had died long ago, but the Inner Party kept his image alive in eternity.
@@cristianm7097 Ok this movie keeps gettin weirder I should probably clarify by watching it.
@@danser_theplayer01 You should read the book. "Is Big Brother alive ? Of course he is. He will never die."
I dare Cinema Sins to do a EWW 1984
Big Brother is the only 'Oniichan' you do not want to notice you!
Cubicles! Good thing we don't have them in this era, eh, Smith?
If you think your political party is different, it isn't.
The totalitarian state Orwell envisioned was in his England, not in Russia. As an American I find this amusing.
Wes Bervig The whole world is totalitarian in this story.
Joe Kennally Thank you for pointing out this obvious fact. After all, all those TSA agents fondling our penises and vaginas and all those NSA agents listening in on our phone calls and e mails are only trying to protect us from "terrorists", most of whom are poor and brown skinned. My rule of thumb in life is that everyone is lying to me until proven otherwise. If this were an ideal world Barack Obama would be put on trial as a war criminal and thrown in prison along with all the rest of the war criminals of the world, but that's not going to happen.
Even though the world is divided by three powers that are all in the same state of totalitarian oppression and 1984 is set in Airstrip One (England). Also I agree the world is fucked to an extent with shit like the Patriot Act and shit like that however if you believe the US is as totalitarian as you claim it is how come you're not in a prison rotting or being killed right off the bat.
If you want totalitarianism go to North Korea.
SombreroKing I WAS NOT IMPLYING that my country America is a totalitarian state like North Korea. IT IS NOT. All I am saying is that with the creation of sinister organizations like the TSA and the NSA that DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect us from the so called "terrorists" that we Americans CREATED with our pompous foreign policy around the world and ARE NOTHING BUT A CHEAP EXCUSE to take away all of our civil rights and civil liberties were created simply to destroy democracy. I cherish the memory of September 10,2001 because it's the last day I remember living in a democracy. By the way, our enemy North Korea is NO MORE A TOTALITARIAN STATE than our friend Saudi Arabia and people like you KNOW THAT but at the same time deny the fact. One final statement, if North Korea WAS OUR FRIEND do you think people like you WOULD GIVE A RAT'S ASS how the North Korean people were treated by their government as long as North Korea remained loyal to us?
SombreroKing that's never confirmed.
Oceania might be just mainland Britain and the test of the world is doing fine.
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Is this just me who have the shivering down my spine? The present is written in the books of the past.
The future also??
4:04 Philip K. Dick?
Certainly looks like him. If you've read 1984 and A Scanner Darkly you've been well-prepped for the paranoid world of mega-surveillance and government micro-management we live in now.
astrophonix
2Pac - The Government Is watching
1985 :"Wow what a scary sci-fi movie. Good thing it will never happen."
*2019 :UA-cam censors many independent content creators like Infowars and Steven Crowder, free speech is considered hate speech, the liberal media only tells you what they want you to hear without concrete facts, Hollywood puts political agenda subliminal messages in movies and shows, if you post that you are a conservative or libertarian on Facebook/Twitter you are called a "nazi" and your account removed.*
It's happening now people
Don’t bully parents whose children were murdered in Sandy Hook. Jones deserved it.
This is the way Fakebook operates
0:37 I actually see a bit of compassionate mercy here. Maybe they weren't so bad. Nah fuck it. Sounds actually like today.
Same shit deferent day at the BBC.
Or any other media channel, whether the MSM or an echo chamber.
British Empire is watching you
Uncle Sam is watching you
Orwell was just a few decades off.
Huh?
Wow, a first hand look inside the Russian "Internet Research Agency"!
Is that what your tv told you?
@@billyb4790 50c for you!
@@GigaGoose123 You really don't see the irony, do you?
RIP Seth Rich
I read the book but I don't remember if I watched the movie.
There are like 3 móviles, this is by popularity the best versión, i think also the last one, i find hard someone remakes It i think i couldnt be affordable, it goes agains the actual consumerism ideology.
People would be canceling Netflix next month.
*rare inside look of Fox News HQ*
@GianPaolo DiCocco Nope.
Actually that will be NBC and The Young Turks
@@KillerMoth3 You're acting like Fox tells the truth smh