@@thorskywalker I felt like Rian misinterpreted "fixing the Jedi Order", or he simply discredited Luke's victory against the Empire and the truth about the Force he's discovered to give that credit to Rey and/or Kylo, but first Kylo needs to balance his swoleness 😂😂😂
I am not happy that Episode 9 takes place about a year after Last Jedi, mainly because to me that means Luke is actually dead and we are now left with not a single main character from the original trilogy, I can't think of what Lando would do, Chewie has been a background character same with the 2 droids, and Carrie Fisher is dead so they can't do that much with Leia. I'm sorry to ruin this discussion with a comment about the Last Jedi.
They can still expand on it, but it will be very hard to do it in a single movie. I've said from the start I don't really have any issue with any of the events in TLJ it is just how it was executed. Also we still haven't had any real character development for Rey, who is she what are her goals etc.. it basicly feels she just does X because plot not because of any motivations she might have. Can sort of make the same argument for Kylo but he is the villain so that can be filled out in expanded material, Finn gets development in TLJ but sadly his arc well not being a bad arc is the weakest part of the film because well canto bite.... but really that sums up TLJ nothing that happens in the movie matters it all leads into nothing we are basicly at the same place we left TFA just no more Snoke or Luke.
The scene in phantom where he actually _meditates_ in the shield hall before continuing the fight against Maul speaks volumes to the essence of Qui-Gon's character. He's always been a favorite of mine despite what the common layman might say
The Scene really shows the difference between Jedi and Sith, Qui-Gon takes the time to center himself to prepare for the fight, Maul does his best to not let his Rage lessen during the time out. Absolutely love that scene, might even be my favorite scene of the entire movie.
@@kinggoten I freakin' love the juxtaposition of Qui-Gon and Maul. Qui-Gon was kneeling and calming his mind. Whereas Maul was pacing back and forth like a tiger does caged at a zoo.
Qui Gon in my opinion is what a Jedi should be. Give in emotions, put the life of innocents over The Jedi and because of that he my favorite Jedi in the Prequals.
@Bill The Bull Gates Jedi aren't peacekeepers of the galaxy, their job is to follow the way of the force, one decision for or against doing something could radically change events so the Jedi follow where the force guides them, because one action no matter how big or small could unbalance the force and they are arbiters of the balance.
@Bill The Bull Gates Most jedi of the time stopped simply following the Way of the Force and started acting more actively in the universe allowing the republic to control their actions when they should've trusted in the force, I don't believe Qui-Gon was wrong for rescuing Anakin, Anakin simply required the kind of teaching only Qui-Gon could offer at the time. I found that the reason Yoda seems so wise in the Original Trilogy was because he made mistakes, ones he recognized later and thats what allowed him to teach Luke not to believe Jedi are infallible and that even the greatest master can fail, purposely or not.
If Qui-Gon hadn't died, Anakin wouldn't have fallen to the dark side. He would have actually talked to Anakin about his feelings and helped him work things out. Kenobi failed in this regard because he was too perfect of a jedi in the current dogmatic Jedi Order. If you compare prequels Yoda and Kenobi to original trilogy versions of themselves, you can see that in their 17 year banishment, they both became more like Qui-Gon. Learning the errors of their and the Jedi Order's ways.
Great comment, thanks for posting. I totally agree. I think this point isn't talked about enough. Qui-Gon had it right all along, not the Jedi Order's Orthodoxy before the rise of Palpatine. Indeed, had the Jedi Order - or at least the Jedi Council - remained faithful to the true way of the Jedi as embodied by Qui-Gon, Palpatine would never have been able to so completely execute the coup against the Jedi.
@@brianmessemer2973 Yep. They should never have latched themselves to the government of the republic and gotten so entangled in the political maneuverings. Have a council and a school headquarters, but then have the larger part of the order be a bunch of roaming monks, who study the force and do good deeds along the way in their travels. Like wandering samurai movies that inspired Lucas in the first place.
@@derekrichardson7853 I think the Jedi's biggest mistake was that whilst they believed they were keeping the Chosen One out of the hands of the Sith, they actually ended up gift wrapping him and handing him over willingly by fostering and encouraging Anakin's relationship to Palpatine from childhood. They did so because they thought it might be politically useful to them. In a sense, Palpatine allowed the Jedi to destroy themselves through their own political involvement, and just groomed the Chosen One under their noses. Even with their blessing.
KENOBI failed because he wasn't ready to be a mentor. There's a way to talk to people who learn from you and there's a way NOT to talk to them. That's why his lines towards Anakin in Attack of the Clones should make your skin crawl...and that's what Lucas got right.... Kenobi was overbearing. At first I didn't like that, but as I get older, I get it. It's hard to be a teacher.
I've always thought that there needs to be more Qui Gon material...he's one of the most fascinating characters in Star Wars in my opinion. But I don't want to see a movie about him...I just don't trust yet that it would be done well. This comic though gets to the heart of why I like him so much!
i agree, though i think the opposite on specific thing you said, Ben...i would love to see a Qui Gon movie. Though the times back during the prequel era were different, and "expanded universes" weren't really a thing, i think they kinda dropped the ball on not having a Qui Gon Jinn standalone movie, or something where he is a major character, though not what the movie is focused on. Liam Niesen is getting old, and though he could probably play Qui Gon still, especially with special effects these days being to basically de-age someone, it would've been better to have seen him in a movie 10 or more years ago. Virtually any movie with him would have to be a prequel to the prequels, making Jinn even younger, so now a Liam Niesen in his 60s might not work. And im not so sure anyone could really play Jinn except Niesen....though hey, someone else played Han Solo, and though the kid is NOOOOOO Harrison Ford, i still kinda like SOLO. It was fun. It's upsetting that they cancelled virtually all stand alone films, and are "taking a break/taking things slow" for the time being. I feel that if Lucasfilm/Disney would've picked the RIGHT characters, and/or plots, they could've done a wonderful expanded universe thing. THe surprise cameo at the end of SOLO really felt like a seed being planted for a series of movies, shows, or really any media i suppose. So again, it definitely blows that because of how bad THE LAST JEDI was, and all the insane backlash and controversy it received, led to a dip in SOLO's success, and thus caused everyone at Lucasfilm to pump the brakes. I think they didn't realize that they would actually be disappointing Star Wars fans by makking this halt in movies, rather than make them feel better that they are deciding to slow things down and focus more on quality products. Again, i think the choice of characters to do a film over could be a mistake. People were fired up for the Obi Wan movie, and if they dont get cracking on that soon, they're gonna miss out, what with AGE actually being a thing to these great actors. And while Boba Fett is a popular character (though i still dont get it, he is so damn overrated, it's not funny. He's cool, but come on...), im sure 9 out of 10 star wars fans would much rather see a Qui Gon Jinn standalone film, than "FETT: A STAR WARS STORY".....
@@spiderlad501st5 yeah i heard about that...is it a novel, or a comic? I could've sworn i heard that it was a comic, and a limited series at that... alas, anything i can get with them, and specifically Qui Gon Jinn, im excited for. I'm LIGHT SIDE/JEDI all the way, so im into it regardless...then u take a great character like Qui Gon Jinn, and a great actor like LIam Niesen on top of all that, well then you got at least one fan here in MAsterr Serch, that is gonna shell out his dough to be a part of it!
@@masterrserch3971 Thank you man bobba and jango are totally overated imo. Same with Mandalore. I really didn't enjoy the mandalorian episodes of clone wars very much. And of course they're making a live action show about a damn mandalorian.. sooo sad
I hope they have Ron Howard direct it and I hope the Ditzney idiots stay far away. Get one of the quality writers to write the script, one who is a real fan.
Qui-Gon's death was symbolic not only because it mirrored Obiwan's death in episode IV, but it also symbolized the death of the Jedi as they were. Qui-Gon was the true embodiment of what a Jedi should be and his death signaled the death of that ideal and the death of the true Jedi.
In The Phantom Menace when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan first come aboard the Trade Federation flagship, Obi-Wan tells Qui-Gon that he senses something elusive. The thing that Obi-Wan senses later reveals itself to be a Sith presence. Yoda had previously told Obi-Wan to be mindful of the force. Qui-Gon tells Obi-Wan not to sacrifice knowing what was going on at the moment for seeing the bigger picture of the force. Qui-Gon believed that to be balanced in the force meant being centered within the moment. Qui-Gon believed that centering yourself required listening to what the force was telling you. This is why Qui-Gon did not follow every edict of the Jedi code. Qui-Gon saw the Jedi code as a guidebook and the force as the guide while the Jedi council saw the Jedi code as a guide and the force as merely an instrument. One of the reasons why the Jedi could not sense the presence of Darth Sidious is because they had fallen out of tune with what the force was telling them. Qui-Gon believed that the Jedi had fallen out of tune with what the force was telling them by being overly strict in their adherence to the Jedi code. Obi-Wan told Qui-Gon that if he followed the Jedi code to the letter he would be on the council. To this Qui-Gon replied that Obi-Wan still had much to learn about the force. During his fight with Darth Maul, Qui-Gon centered himself so that hate would not consume him. Qui-Gon believed that being balanced in the force meant being at peace with yourself and the outside world. The Sith knew that one of the weaknesses of the Jedi was an unbridled hatred. The Sith knew that they could exploit this weakness to prevent the Jedi from being balanced in the force. Qui-Gon died at the hand of Darth Maul because through his communion with the force he sensed that it was his destiny.
I hadn't heard of the comic, but I will definitely pick it up. To me Qui-Gon meditating in the middle of the fight with Maul is one of my favorite moments in the prequels. The contrast between Qui-gons meditation, and Mauls agressive pacing shows the difference between light and dark perfectly!
we've had these talks about Qui Gon quite often, both here on YT and personally...he really is THE best example of what a Jedi SHOULD be, with how closely he listens to and follows the force, and it is awesomely shown here in this comic, when he gets in the ship and basically says "i dont know where im going, the Force will guide me (and then says something akin to "lets just hope it doesn't lead me right into the heart of a star" lol).. and yes, you mentioned it, but that's why we get upset when they call him a GREY Jedi. And like you said, it's not just because that really isn't a thing, but look at the word itself. GREY is basically black and white, dark and light, coming together. And Qui Gon Jinn is NOT influenced by the dark side in the slightest. In legends, sure, he has gone through some adventures where emotions are his driving force, but never did i feel he was going to turn to the dark side, even when he was tempted. Just because he didn't follow the council to a T, and because he flat out did things the opposite of how they would do it, or did things that they basically said NO to, doesn't mean he is a "grey" Jedi. I would say that my first forray into thinking about fan fiction, or rather really "damn, imagine if/what if" was always centered around "what if Qui Gon didn't die and he took Anakin as his Paduan as intended".... i think the easy answer is Anakin probably wouldn't have fallen to the dark side. But he was always very brash and emotionally charged. However, Qui Gon would've taught him to channel those feelings better, and would've "raised" him in a way that Anakin wouldn't worry so much about becoming a council member, and/or Master. And i think that he probably would've been able to talk to Qui Gon about his affair with Padme, also helping him stay on the light path, as together, they could've worked to try and maybe prevent what was to happen to her? Might be going out too far on that one, but that specific WHAT IF fan fic has so many different roads to go down, it'll always intrigue me til the day i die...
There are infinite possibilities. I believe Qui Gon would have been a better influence on Anakin. I think of the term Grey as "having the ability to step into a role where darkness would certainly play a roll, but not be effected by it" - remaining with the will of the Force, not influenced easily.
THANK YOU!! I once again had some stupid discussions on instagram today where people kept saying he's a grey Jedi. Such nonsense, it's really irritating man.
I personally think the Jedi's mistake was they they banned love. They considered love to be "of the Dark Side". There is a theory that the real purpose of the Chosen One was to show the Jedi that romantic and familial love had a place in the Order, and should not be eschewed. Don't worry, there's nothing about "grey Jedi" there. However, considering George Lucas basically said the Jedi were meant to be about love, and even about loving their enemies, and we don't see that at all in the prequels I think that they certainly had something wrong. Luke was the only one who really nailed it, by loving his father even though he became Darth Vader and allowing that love to bring him back to the light.
Of course it didn't help that the Jedi basically gift wrapped Anakin and handed him over to the Sith. They literally allowed and even encouraged Palpatine's relationship with Anakin from childhood, because it was politically useful to them. So he groomed the poor kid under their noses and with their blessing.
Qui-Gon is what Luke should have been in the sequel trilogy. The fact that Rian Johnson/Lucasfilm tried to copy Obi-Wan/Yoda's character arcs is why the Sequel Trilogy has failed with its understanding of progression. Regardless of what happened to Luke between ROTJ and TLJ, the fact that they chose to portray him as a washed up, fear mongering coward, instead of the enlightened sage like figure that Qui-Gon was, shows that the only person to not learn from failure, was Lucasfilm. If JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio are smart, they'll take a note from this Qui-Gon comic and try to focus this mind set to the ST3 and Luke in episode IX.
Thor sometimes I feel like you’re the only star wars you tuber who gets the whole balance in the force thing. Star Wars explained recently did a video on this same comic book and some how seem to get the whole balance between the light and dark thing out of it.
Well, in the movies Yoda was very clear that once you dabble in the dark side "forever will it dominate your destiny". Maybe it's like an addiction, you can quit but you're never really free. Even if you go for years clean you need to work at it and prepare for when that sudden craving gets you at the worst moment. "Gray" is kind of like denial, or just a little bit thinking.
@@thatblondboy007 Not just SWE but Generation Tech has also perpetuated this misconception as well. I've gone to great lengths to correct his videos on the topic and hopefully get his attention.
@@thatblondboy007 that's cuz of Rian Johnson, he followed some little UA-cam theories that the Force was in imbalance cuz there were more Jedi than Sith and that both sides need to be used equally and then he ignored all of George Lucas explanation about the chosen one and made it a reason to make Rey OP
When you realize no matter how you react, you won't change anything. You won't make people suddenly change their minds. The only required response is, "that's an interesting way to think about it". By simply realizing it doesn't resonate with you allows you to let it go and move on. Life is so much better when you don't try to change what's happening around you, but what's happening inside you is the very beginning of your inner peace.
Love this comic, love Qui Gon Jinn and I thank Liam Neeson for playing this character. He is my favorite character from the Phantom Menace and the whole prequel trilogy, he's a true Jedi.
Honestly these authors are the people who should be writing story outlines and plotting the creative direction for the movies. Only then hand it over to the movie directors to execute the vision. You can't replace George Lucas with Hollywood industry movie directors when it comes to writing stories, they are not creative in the way that George or JK Rowling etc are. But some of these authors are creative when it comes to fantasy, mythology, sci fi. Allow them to write stories and then allow directors to direct movies. Guys like JJ and Rian will make good movies if you give them a story, but they cannot come up with story. They never should have been given that responsibility, I think that is Kathleen Kennedy's biggest mistake. She didn't understand that Star Wars at it's core is mythological story telling.
The comics, novels, and animatdd shows are the only things holding Star Wars together right now. We can only hope future movies and live action TV shows can bring back Star Wars to what it was.
@@proevoisace7 yep, the fault lies with Disney for thinking that movie directors are capable of coming up with good Star Wars stories on the fly. Let authors write stories and then let directors make the movies please. Look at what they have come up with so far. Luke has failed to pass on what he learned so he has not done what Yoda asked of him in ROTJ, he failed to rebuild the Jedi order. The new Jedi order was destroyed again by one boy who turned. So Kylo replaces Anakin in the plot. Snoke is a drop in replacement of Palpatine. Starkiller base replaces deathstar. BB8 replaces R2 as droid on the run with secret data. First order replaces the empire. Luke's character arc is forgotten, this is the guy who once said 'I am a jedi, like my father before me'. So creatively bankrupt. The star wars universe mythos has a whole galaxy of possibilities for new Wars and social and political strife and they came up with this. For Disney it's either 'copy plot' or 'let the past die, kill it if you have to'. They can't come up with new adventures without either copying or destroying the past.
@@Arjun-eb1yc you're right of course, the comics more than anything show what the sequels could have been. I was listening to a podcast the other day and it asked if there was one thing you could change about TLJ what would it be and obviously im nowhere near the creative minds they could get but see what you think... I'd have a whole new plot but assuming we can't do that i'd have the reason Luke tried to kill kylo differently. I'd have made Luke have a daughter who was force sensitive but she was killed by Snoke along with Luke's jedi order, however Snoke would manipulate the situation to make it look like Kylo Ren was the murderer, Luke would have a reason even briefly to think about killing Ben, he would be distraught at losing his daughter and padawans and would be a believable reason for him to be on that damn island. I thought about that question for only a few minutes but what I came up with I think would have resonated so much more, it baffles the mind Rian Johnson had years to come up with something and thats what we got
@@proevoisace7 yep that actually makes it more personal for Luke and it's a better justification. Nothing like losing a child. What Rian did was basically write a new character about a Jedi who wants to die and he tried to pass him off as Luke Skywalker.
I honestly really loved this recent Canon comic. And the reasons why are perfectly explained in this video. I love Qui-Gons character so much because he really is what a Jedi *should* be, and only serves the Force. But that is just me! :)
hopefully IX is a great movie and we can start to move on from TLJ for reals after that, even now more then a year since I seen it the first time whenever I think of Star Wars it is the first thing that comes to my mind, was just that damaging.
Thor Skywalker, you're my favorite Star Wars UA-camr! Very articulate and non confrontational approach to your videos and opinions FUN TO WATCH and,,, I almost always agree 😁
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Yeah... the MCU is sort of wandering without a clear goal or arc right now. If it focused on Kang the Conqueror, I think they would be golden, but they're also focusing on the Skrulls and trying to get the X-Men into the MCU...
Qui Gon has always been my favorite Jedi from the moment I saw him in the Phantom Menace, obviously for all the reasons you brought up here. And thank you so much, because of this video I finally understand that thing with the force and what Balance in the Star Wars universe means.
Thank you, I finally understand Qui-Gon. I had always assumed he just didn't want to obey the other masters. Now, after your video, I have so much more understanding.
I actually might read this comic now despite my grudge with Marvel comics right now. Qui-Gon's belief about people seeing the Jedi as warriors with no thought about the Force was correct not only because they were nearly forgotten after the clone wars, but also what Han said in the original film about how he never saw anything to make him believe in the Force
Actually hope they make an Obi Wan film and have Qui Gon as a force Ghost, I am sure Liam Neeson will be up for it, definitely one of the best characters from the prequels, see people forget all the awesome stuff that came out of the prequels, while TLJ had nothing that will last and be remembered
"Keep your concentration here and now, where it belongs." "Concentrate on the moment. Feel, don't think. Use your instincts." "Your focus determines your reality."
This is why Qui Gon has always been my favorite of the Jedi. Right there with Luke and Reven. He was the first, in canon, that truly was a servant of the force, and achieved what Palpatine had promised Anikan.
To put it a bit simplistically and philosophically - The Dao (or The Way) simply is. It does not concern itself with the concepts of good and evil, because those are just labels which we use in our efforts to comprehend the totality of reality. Qui Gon is definitely one of my favourite and most underrated characters in Star Wars.
The notion of the "Grey" side really took off during the "dark and edgy" 90s, and popped up in the novels of that time a lot. The real question is, WHY does that concept appeal to the fandom so much? I think it appeals to many because it seems to reject Extremism, which, in real life, leads to imbalance. I think most people intuitively sense that a moderate approach to things, where many extremes meet in the middle, hopefully allowing one to take the best of each and leave the worst behind, is a productive way of life, in philosophy, politics, whatever. So, it's a little jarring to them to get that that's NOT how it works in SW...just my thought.
The Grey Jedi: We'll come together and vote, based on freedom of choice. We'll then take the freedom of choice away and the majority rules in moderation of the extremes. The True Jedi: I'll do what I must to ensure what the Force wills, even if it is to go to extremes to protect what I am guided to do.
I think some of it may have came from games like Jedi Academy that let you use both light side skills and dark skills like force lightning and force choke without going dark. Then ar one point you can choose the light or dark path and still use all the skills. It was rather fun occasionally force choking an annoying mouthy dark jedi, turning and dropping him over the edge of a walkway to splat. 😁 But I always had my doubts about the "good"ness of some of that, like watching Obi Wan mindfuck some poor draftee, "these are not the droids you are looking for. Now drop your pants and do the chicken dance while chanting 'Vader gives great helmet'" poor schmuck will be in therapy for years!
I think the biggest problem is, once you step into Fantasy, you step out of real world Logic. It doesn't matter as long as they give us a good story with some consistency, and some view the consistency as... broken. I'm not sure how else to articulate that. I feel like there's something to add, but that'll have to be good enough for tonight. I need to get ready for work.
Very good points HoO. Although I admit to being interested in the whole 'Grey Jedi' fad, which I'm pretty sure was in the 90's like you said, I consider it to be more due to laziness, both in the character and the writer. Being a Jedi or Sith requires a great deal of study and training in that specific lore. Not worrying about writing any of that into a story can save a bunch of time, which also makes the character seemingly more relatable. And as Dale touched on, worrying about real world logic in a science-fantasy genre it doesn't really work. It just makes the characters more bland IMHO.
Qui-Gon Jinn should have been the Grand Master of the Jedi Order during the time of troubles with the return of the Sith. Far better and would have made sure Anakin was properly trained.
He had more of a father-son relationship with Anakin, while Obi-Wan was more like an elder brother acting as a parent. This in my opinion caused Anakin to be this rebellious towards his master.
Um, the whole premise is stupid. Why bring balance to something already in the majority. Why 'want' darkness? Qui-gon is one of the most stupid Jedi to ever live and his actions brought nothing but shame on his name.
I don't think its that he would have trained Anakin better, but that he might have seen through Palpatine more quickly, and not allowed him to foster a close relationship with Anakin from childhood, which the Jedi Council did, and by doing so groom a vulnerable child under their noses. They basically gift wrapped The Chosen One and handed him over the Sith like a Christmas present.
still happy to see someone share my view of Qui Gon after 15 years of being the only one I knew who considered him the most jedilike Jedi in the whole movies. Liam Neeson gave such an iconic performance in that movie its one of the few redeeming features of The Phantom Manace. Thats also why I dont understand why some original trilogy hardcore fans hate on the Prequels, claiming they where utter crap. Sure, they where flawed in some ways (Jar-Jar; Mediclorians *coughcough*); Lucas also showed us what a true Jedi should sound, act and look like. Surely, later Luke and Yoda showed that wisdom, but in everything Qui Gon did, from the way he talked to Anakin, his mother, the council, Obi-Wan and anyone else you could just feel his inner balance oozing from him in all he said and did. He was determined, fearless, kind and not attached to anything to a point where (fear of) loss would tempt him to be selfish. He listened to the will of the force, and when faced with being called to throw his own well-being to defend others there was no hesitation, but also no anger or doubt. Or hate. He did what was needed, no matter the personal cost it would take from him.
Something I find interesting is the music played during Qui Gon's funeral is the same as during Vader's reconstruction. If Qui Gon survived and had trained Anakin, showed him a path other than the strict rigid code of the jedi or falling to the dark side, things may have been different.
By far the best explanation I've heard, to date, about the impossibility of truly using the dark side while remaining a Jedi or avoiding 'falling' to the dark side yourself. Pure and simple: you can't use the dark side without helping it, you can't help it without using it, so using it can't help defeat it, period
Now, Once I got an alert that you uploaded another video, I immediately knew it was going to be "How star wars sucks now" "Who are rey's parents" or "why star wars is dying" Surprised (pleasantly) that we get some original good, and more though provoking content that doesn't involve any dead horses by beating!
Oui Gon Jinn is the greats jedi to ever exist. To be temped by the dark side multiple times, and still stay a Jedi is a feat that many Jedi feld to do. If Qui Gon managed to get through to Anikan while he killed the Sand People, he never would've been temped to the dark side. Qui Gon continued to call at to Anikan through out the clone wars and through out his temptations to the dark side. But Anikan under truly understood that Qui Gon is calling to him through the force. Which lead to his fall and become vader. Sounds dumb to say, but he died vs Maul cause he chose too. To join the living force, to hopefully one day guide the jedi to true understanding. This also ties into Return of the Jedi. When Yota talks to Luke, saying books dont make a jedi. Only truly trusting the force makes a Jedi.
@@Narutofan825 all become the force, but all cant retain themselves, some jedi and a few sith retained themselves through the force. Force ghost or even rebirth, all is possible if you retain yourself in the force
I find it hard to believe in the Jedi when the only successes we are shown are when the protagonists ignore the Light Side. Qui Gon stops to meditate and center himself in the fight with Mail, and dies. Obi Wan only wins once he attacks with angry fervor. Yoda tells Luke he needs to stay on Dagobah or all will be lost. Instead Luke gives in to fear, runs off, and winds up saving his friends - the only reason the Rebels win against the Empire later. Similarly to the first example, Luke gets his butt kicked by Vader/Palpatine until he truly let's loose and gets pissed, then he is victorious, and manages to not only defeat Vader but TURN HIM AWAY FROM THE SITH...all because of anger and hate.
Gray Jedi come from the stigma of the teachings of the Jedi Order. Jedi that use, or adhere to, strictly Sith abilities or doctrine have to be categorized separately by both being able to cross that line & choosing to. As we know now a TRUE Jedi is one that straddles the lines between them & uses the teachings of both to carry out the will of the force. Qui-Gon Jinn was a great example of what an actual Jedi should be. The only thing gray about him was what we called him before we knew the true nature of the force & maybe his hair lol
I look forward to your video in the Gray Jedi concept. Long before the prequels, and before there was a *Star Wars RPG,* I introduced my daughter to table-top RPGs by running *Star Wars* games using the game system for another sci-fi RPG. In this game, I had her mother, an Imperial Scout crash on a remote planet. Only a short time after crashing did she discover she was with child (later to be my daughter's character). Her mother was rescued from the crash and befriended by a race of sentient creatures that were sensitive in the force. However, they had no concept of the _Good Side_ and the _Dark Side,_ as they are known to the Jedi. In an attempt to make a long story short (and removing a great many details), my daughter was trained by an elder of this race. They did not see the force as good or bad, but simply like other forces *in nature* . . .it simply _was._ Their discipline mimicked that of the weather at times, or that of the animals and insects of the world. Aggressive when defending or attacking for survival. But without malice. As a true balance with nature. I planned on her character being _The Other_ *Yoda* spoke of in Episode V (I was never a fan of Luke and Leia being brother and sister). That campaign was eventually dropped as these things are sometimes. Then when the prequels came out, we considered returning to that character. I thought about having her character be _The One that is to bring balance to the Force_ noted in the prophecy, as her character truly was living that balance, and could pass on the teachings. But I also considered the idea of how that alien race which taught her was able to embrace that concept more readily than a human truly could in the long run. And eventually my daughter's character would start to run into the standard _Good vs Evil_ conflict. Either because of the aliens' physiology, or simply because they never lived amongst the other worlds, where there was a concrete battle between good vs evil where the oppression of the Empire existed. In closing (and I left out a lot), the tenants of these force wielders are not exactly the kind that can be taught to an elder Jedi, except perhaps in a way that allows them to only _acknowledge_ the concepts. Their age and lifetime of previous teachings would hinder any real ability to embrace this as a way of life. One would have to be raised on it, while also surrounded by its examples in every creature within the world around them. For I believe that one might go from a world where the concept of Good and Evil does not exist and then slowly learn of it. But to go from being raised on, and surrounded by, the concepts of Good and Evil, then try to completely erase said concepts from your core ideology would be far more difficult.
I haven't read this comic but ever since watching episode one, I always felt qui gon was and is what jedi should be. Not a follower of the republic, but a follower of the Force itself. I'm glad to see that he is finally getting some focus, he is such an enigmatic character in star wars lore. I fully believe that had he survived past the battle of Naboo and trained Anakin, Anakin would have never fallen to the dark side
What is creation without destruction, what is light without darkness, what’s life and serenity without emotion and chaos, What is joy without sorrow, compassion without love, courage without fear, forgiveness without anger
5:50 I've always hated the dark and light side labels. One side revolves around serenity, the other around passion. Both can lead to ruin if taken to their extremes. I've always looked at the idea of a gray jedi as someone which has come to understand that and walk the line between - not becoming too disconnected from the world and ultimately the force in their serenity, but also realizing the danger of becoming lost in dark passions like hatred and anger and instead letting compassion and love drive their use of the force when appropriate.
I have always liked the concept of the Grey Jedi. As the Grey Jedi embrace the entirety of the Force while still aligning themselves more on the light side. Grey Jedi are able to tap into the Dark Side without it consuming them. Balance is what makes not only the Star Wars Galaxy work, but our world as well. Moderation mixed with balance is key. Too much of a good thing can be just as bad as too much of a bad thing. I don't know if Qui-Gon was considered a Grey Jedi, but my view of the Force is that the Jedi and the Sith are both wrong. The Jedi were wrong about forming attachments and desires. It's how we express those feelings that make them healthy or unhealthy. Moderate use of both sides is balance.
Thank you for this. Qui-Gon has always been one of my top favorite characters, and it's a shame we didn't get more of him in the films. His death was, unfortunately, necessary. I'm glad this comic exists, and it might've made good material for a nice 90 minute movie. Nevertheless, I don't trust the current management at Lucasfilm to execute it well.
Fighting fire with fire quite literally means using fire to create a controlled burn. This makes a barrier that a wild fire can not burn through because it has already been burnt. Its about out thinking an uncontrolled wild force. For example, creatively using anger not to let it go unchecked or go out of control, but to stop someone’s anger that is. It’s important to understand where this additive comes from because most assume it means fighting aggression with more aggression or hate with more hate. It’s dangerous and leads to an unending staircase of hate and suffering. It’s about knowing how to use a dangerous force decisively to stop an uncontrolled one.
Qui-Gon has always been my favorite Jedi. His difference in his views next to the Jedi council's always made me think of him as a Martin Luther type, loving what he was a part of, but seeing its deep rooted flaws and its anchor to politics that should not exist, and understanding what was really the truth that so many failed to see.
4:28 This bit here reminds me of the way Luke defeated the Emperor, he was trying to use empathy to make Vader change, seeing him as a broken man rather than a monster. There are some interesting discussions (that aren't pro war exactly) about Lord of the Rings and how the way they handle war is good. Bc it acknowledges that you should use war to protect, or to do what is necessary, but it never glorifies it. In TPM, it looks as though Qui Gon is not afraid to bring the fight to them if it means helping people. Which is basically how I view the Jedi's involvement in CW, they wanted to do what was right, and likely were, but they were also playing into Palpatine's hand which I think is a symbol that we are good not bcoz we win but bcoz of our choices.
This is the best argumentation against the "Grey jedi" concept I have ever read. It clearly points out why such a concept will not work and shall never be the end goal of the new trilogy. Also the last page of that comic where Qui Gon states how important it is to find balance for the Jedi seams to be a great pointer towards how EP IX will play out in the end - Aka that the Jedi under Rey must find a way to listen to the will of the force in order to find the ultimate balance instead of the endless rise and fall of the two sides of the force. Johan.
Disney should use the Source Material by making Rey's Jedi Order be similar to Luke's Order in Legends, like it's okay to Marry or you can use the Darkside, or you can have more than One Padawan, or You can use Force Lightning.
As someone who hates the prequels almost as much as the latest sequels, this is the best argument I've heard for Qui-Gon Gin being a worthwhile character.
Qui Gon is the paragon Anakin was denied. The Mr. Miyagi he needed, one with the courage to disobey because he needed to, not because he wanted to, like Anakin ended up doing.
Ecellent video. Finally, someone who has an opinion about Qui-Gon similar to my own. People misunderstanding the balance of the force drive me crazy. How anyone can think that it means equal number Sith and Jedi is beyond me. Harmony and a symbiotic relationship is an excellent was to describe it. I have often said that balance is like a beautiful still pond with perfect reflection. The dark side is a stone thrown into the pond which creates chaos in the form of ripples that distort the reflection. Tapping into the dark side is unnatural, as stated by Palpatine himself, hence the dark side's growth via Sith or any other dark-sider causes the force to be unbalanced. And yes, the idea of grey Jedi is ignorant and completely misses even the most basic understanding of the Force.
I love how restrained Qui Gon is until he’s face to face with a Sith, then he doesn’t hold back; however he’s still outmatched by Maul and is put on the defensive twice. It makes me truly wonder how Qui Gon would’ve fit in during the Clone Wars had he survived, as the Jedi easily step in as keepers of peace leading convenient clones against the droids (their biggest threat until the reveal of the Sith) and don’t hold back. Qui Gon is a true Jedi, Obi Wan learned his lesson on Tatooine, and Yoda during his duel with Sidious…
Yes, I have thought the same as you. I have not read this comic, or any of them, but Qui Gon is from before the "clouding" of the force by Palpatine as discussed in TPM (a movie many still reject) but before the Dark Side fouled in the Senate and the force (something that took the Jedi Council by surprise as apparent from dialogue the Sith were thought wiped out) Before Palpatine sprang into their midst the Sith spent generations perfecting trickery to cover and hide so he could stand right among them. Apparently, before that masters could detect force users from long distances and in visions. They would know about sensitives long before they used their "wild talents", or were exploited for them. And I also agree about Qui Gon's behavior. He followed the will of the Force, not the will of the Senate. The politicians didn't like that, as we saw in some of the New Republic books where Luke took his new jedi academy off Coruscant and there was still a lot of government complaints about them not knuckling under to local authority. Also, the fight with Maul showed Qui Gon was not a "warrior" (only) as Maul was more agressive and ruthless. Qui Gon was more of an inspector-diplomat. He could fight, but it was not his first job. The Jedi were not, after all, a Christian organization and should not be judged in that context. It seems the philosophy was more of a ambassador between societies. Bringing order through understanding. That's why they didn't just kill the slave keeper Watto and free little Anakin and his mother. In my opinion they didn't grant themselves the right to judge. (Plus it would have made for a much shorter movie...🤑)
I agree with everything you’ve said. Qui-Gon sought the will of the force and to find that balance. He reminds me of Master Ougwei from Kung Fu Panda. I think he would’ve been the perfect Jedi master for Anakin because he was not rigid like the Jedi Council, rather he sought that balance and I believe he would have been able to help Anakin master his fear and other emotions which led to his downfall.
Love all your vids and the point of views you present for food for thought. Though I admit in this video I had to comment on your point of view about the perception of the dark side. The one exception to your belief about the boundaries of such is Mace Windu and his ability to use the seventh form and vaapad which taps into the dark side...
Qui-Gon is one of my all time favorite Star Wars characters. When strugling with the fact that I didn't really liked Episode I (Or that there's is a lot I dont't like in the movie) , I've always think of Qui-Gon, and the the movie become more palatable for me...
Qui-Gon was the wisest Jedi of his time. I think that is why I like him and Ahsoka so much. They are wise and they are prescient, and they act on it and behave according to it instead of just taking the easier path. If only Obi-Wan had listened to his master.
Had Qui-Gon Jinn lived and killed Darth Maul alongside Obi-Wan Kenobi during the duel on Naboo if the latter hadn't been knocked out by him there would have been a lot of changes for the Skywalker Saga: 1. Anakin Skywalker would become Qui-Gon Jinn's new apprentice and Obi-Wan Kenobi would be assigned to Count Dooku given his history with the former as his master. 2. Darth Maul would be as mentioned before dead thus he wouldn't come back with mechanical legs and wreak on the galaxy even going so far as to kill Duchess Satine Kryze and Pre Viszla respectively as well as take over Mandalore briefly. 3. Count Dooku would have never left the Jedi Order/Jedi Council and the Galactic Republic by defecting to the Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS). 4. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious would have never had Count Dooku as an apprentice instead he would have to find another one and seeing how he knows the Nightbrothers/Nightsisters of Dathomir really well given his history with Darth Maul he would choose Asajj Ventress as his new apprentice. 5. Savage Oppress would be even more angry at the Jedi Order/Galactic Republic for killing his brother Darth Maul he would likely join the Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS) trained as a Sith assassin under Asajj Ventress and Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious. 6. Anakin Skywalker would become a Jedi Knight like he did in the main timeline. 7. As for Shmi Skywalker, she would have either lived or died depending on how things go. 8. The Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS) would have a completely different leader possibly Asajj Ventress since she would be a fully trained apprentice under Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious and thus become a figurehead leader. 9. Ahsoka Tano would still become Anakin Skywalker's apprentice and alongside Qui Gon Jinn, and Obi-Wan Kenobi fight in the Clone Wars on the side of the Galactic Republic against the Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS). 10. Given that Anakin Skywalker was very close to Qui Gon-Jinn he would have very much talked to him about his feelings and love for Padme Amidala something he might object to but try to help him out a lot. Qui Gon Jinn would have also countered any and all attempts of Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious trying to influence Anakin Skywalker given his teachings. Flash forward to Revenge of the Sith and Order 66 might not even occur whatsoever with him to help his former apprentice who wouldn't have killed Mace Windu and instead Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious would have probably died or gone into hiding. 11. Padme Amidala would be alive and well complete with giving a healthy birth to both Luke Skywalker and Leia Skywalker after the Clone Wars for Anakin Skywalker. Although the Jedi Order/Galactic Republic were not fans of marriage and love given that Luke Skywalker and Leia Skywalker were more or less likely to be strong in the Force they wouldn't refuse training and instead allow them in as new recruits/Padawans/Knights.
You know what this means? That if Qui-Gon Jinn hadn't been killed by Darth Maul, he would have trained at Anakin to heed the will of the force. Meaning when Anakin hooked up with Padme, Qui-Gon Jinn might have covered for Anakin believing it to be the will of the force as love as a form of compassion which is part of the light side.
This gray nonsense... very millennial. Yoda told everyone, do or do not, there is no try. There is no in between, you are a Jedi or you are a Sith, you are a good person or you are not. Fan fiction nonsense.
Oh, so that's why TCW'08 is the greatest Star Wars ever. It continues to retell things that were said long before it, but in such a way that people think these are TCW's original genius ideas.
This video just convinced me to try out Star Wars comics. Had no interest previously, being unaware as to the quality of their content but if this is the quality to expect in terms of deep and interesting themes with real characters and great artwork...I think I'll have to start checking them out, with this issue as the first one :) Thanks Thor Skywalker!
I really wanted Luke to be like Qui-Gon during TLJ cuz in episode 6 Luke realized the truth Qui-Gon had discovered, they didn't expand on it
That was my hope as well...
@@thorskywalker I felt like Rian misinterpreted "fixing the Jedi Order", or he simply discredited Luke's victory against the Empire and the truth about the Force he's discovered to give that credit to Rey and/or Kylo, but first Kylo needs to balance his swoleness 😂😂😂
I am not happy that Episode 9 takes place about a year after Last Jedi, mainly because to me that means Luke is actually dead and we are now left with not a single main character from the original trilogy, I can't think of what Lando would do, Chewie has been a background character same with the 2 droids, and Carrie Fisher is dead so they can't do that much with Leia. I'm sorry to ruin this discussion with a comment about the Last Jedi.
They can still expand on it, but it will be very hard to do it in a single movie. I've said from the start I don't really have any issue with any of the events in TLJ it is just how it was executed. Also we still haven't had any real character development for Rey, who is she what are her goals etc.. it basicly feels she just does X because plot not because of any motivations she might have. Can sort of make the same argument for Kylo but he is the villain so that can be filled out in expanded material, Finn gets development in TLJ but sadly his arc well not being a bad arc is the weakest part of the film because well canto bite.... but really that sums up TLJ nothing that happens in the movie matters it all leads into nothing we are basicly at the same place we left TFA just no more Snoke or Luke.
from the EU standpoint, he did.
The scene in phantom where he actually _meditates_ in the shield hall before continuing the fight against Maul speaks volumes to the essence of Qui-Gon's character. He's always been a favorite of mine despite what the common layman might say
I heard there was a story that Qui-gon was actually in a mine battle with Maul when he was meditating
The Scene really shows the difference between Jedi and Sith, Qui-Gon takes the time to center himself to prepare for the fight, Maul does his best to not let his Rage lessen during the time out. Absolutely love that scene, might even be my favorite scene of the entire movie.
Yup Maul is in a time out. Lol I know what you mean by that, but just sounds great
Yeah and that works out so well for Qui-Gon when 30 seconds later Maul impales him.
@@kinggoten I freakin' love the juxtaposition of Qui-Gon and Maul. Qui-Gon was kneeling and calming his mind. Whereas Maul was pacing back and forth like a tiger does caged at a zoo.
Qui Gon in my opinion is what a Jedi should be. Give in emotions, put the life of innocents over The Jedi and because of that he my favorite Jedi in the Prequals.
ItsRyanYT I think that he was supposed to train Anakin and not Obi-Wan.
Outside of Plo Koon, Qui-Gon Jinn is my favorite jedi for precisely this reason, He's everything a jedi should strive to be.
@@Left4Deadluver maybe my love of Y-Wings has me partly biased.
@Bill The Bull Gates Jedi aren't peacekeepers of the galaxy, their job is to follow the way of the force, one decision for or against doing something could radically change events so the Jedi follow where the force guides them, because one action no matter how big or small could unbalance the force and they are arbiters of the balance.
@Bill The Bull Gates Most jedi of the time stopped simply following the Way of the Force and started acting more actively in the universe allowing the republic to control their actions when they should've trusted in the force, I don't believe Qui-Gon was wrong for rescuing Anakin, Anakin simply required the kind of teaching only Qui-Gon could offer at the time. I found that the reason Yoda seems so wise in the Original Trilogy was because he made mistakes, ones he recognized later and thats what allowed him to teach Luke not to believe Jedi are infallible and that even the greatest master can fail, purposely or not.
If Qui-Gon hadn't died, Anakin wouldn't have fallen to the dark side. He would have actually talked to Anakin about his feelings and helped him work things out. Kenobi failed in this regard because he was too perfect of a jedi in the current dogmatic Jedi Order. If you compare prequels Yoda and Kenobi to original trilogy versions of themselves, you can see that in their 17 year banishment, they both became more like Qui-Gon. Learning the errors of their and the Jedi Order's ways.
Great comment, thanks for posting. I totally agree. I think this point isn't talked about enough. Qui-Gon had it right all along, not the Jedi Order's Orthodoxy before the rise of Palpatine. Indeed, had the Jedi Order - or at least the Jedi Council - remained faithful to the true way of the Jedi as embodied by Qui-Gon, Palpatine would never have been able to so completely execute the coup against the Jedi.
@@brianmessemer2973 Yep. They should never have latched themselves to the government of the republic and gotten so entangled in the political maneuverings. Have a council and a school headquarters, but then have the larger part of the order be a bunch of roaming monks, who study the force and do good deeds along the way in their travels. Like wandering samurai movies that inspired Lucas in the first place.
@@derekrichardson7853 I think the Jedi's biggest mistake was that whilst they believed they were keeping the Chosen One out of the hands of the Sith, they actually ended up gift wrapping him and handing him over willingly by fostering and encouraging Anakin's relationship to Palpatine from childhood. They did so because they thought it might be politically useful to them.
In a sense, Palpatine allowed the Jedi to destroy themselves through their own political involvement, and just groomed the Chosen One under their noses. Even with their blessing.
KENOBI failed because he wasn't ready to be a mentor. There's a way to talk to people who learn from you and there's a way NOT to talk to them. That's why his lines towards Anakin in Attack of the Clones should make your skin crawl...and that's what Lucas got right.... Kenobi was overbearing. At first I didn't like that, but as I get older, I get it.
It's hard to be a teacher.
Qui Gon actually Loved Anakin. Obi wan loved him too but as a Brother. Jin loved him as a Father.
I've always thought that there needs to be more Qui Gon material...he's one of the most fascinating characters in Star Wars in my opinion. But I don't want to see a movie about him...I just don't trust yet that it would be done well. This comic though gets to the heart of why I like him so much!
i agree, though i think the opposite on specific thing you said, Ben...i would love to see a Qui Gon movie. Though the times back during the prequel era were different, and "expanded universes" weren't really a thing, i think they kinda dropped the ball on not having a Qui Gon Jinn standalone movie, or something where he is a major character, though not what the movie is focused on. Liam Niesen is getting old, and though he could probably play Qui Gon still, especially with special effects these days being to basically de-age someone, it would've been better to have seen him in a movie 10 or more years ago. Virtually any movie with him would have to be a prequel to the prequels, making Jinn even younger, so now a Liam Niesen in his 60s might not work. And im not so sure anyone could really play Jinn except Niesen....though hey, someone else played Han Solo, and though the kid is NOOOOOO Harrison Ford, i still kinda like SOLO. It was fun.
It's upsetting that they cancelled virtually all stand alone films, and are "taking a break/taking things slow" for the time being. I feel that if Lucasfilm/Disney would've picked the RIGHT characters, and/or plots, they could've done a wonderful expanded universe thing. THe surprise cameo at the end of SOLO really felt like a seed being planted for a series of movies, shows, or really any media i suppose. So again, it definitely blows that because of how bad THE LAST JEDI was, and all the insane backlash and controversy it received, led to a dip in SOLO's success, and thus caused everyone at Lucasfilm to pump the brakes. I think they didn't realize that they would actually be disappointing Star Wars fans by makking this halt in movies, rather than make them feel better that they are deciding to slow things down and focus more on quality products.
Again, i think the choice of characters to do a film over could be a mistake. People were fired up for the Obi Wan movie, and if they dont get cracking on that soon, they're gonna miss out, what with AGE actually being a thing to these great actors. And while Boba Fett is a popular character (though i still dont get it, he is so damn overrated, it's not funny. He's cool, but come on...), im sure 9 out of 10 star wars fans would much rather see a Qui Gon Jinn standalone film, than "FETT: A STAR WARS STORY".....
There is going to be a Qui-Gon Obi-Wan book coming out next year.
@@spiderlad501st5 yeah i heard about that...is it a novel, or a comic? I could've sworn i heard that it was a comic, and a limited series at that... alas, anything i can get with them, and specifically Qui Gon Jinn, im excited for. I'm LIGHT SIDE/JEDI all the way, so im into it regardless...then u take a great character like Qui Gon Jinn, and a great actor like LIam Niesen on top of all that, well then you got at least one fan here in MAsterr Serch, that is gonna shell out his dough to be a part of it!
@@masterrserch3971 Fairly sure it's a novel.
@@masterrserch3971 Thank you man bobba and jango are totally overated imo. Same with Mandalore. I really didn't enjoy the mandalorian episodes of clone wars very much. And of course they're making a live action show about a damn mandalorian.. sooo sad
If we get that legendary Kenobi movie, I really hope they give us some Qui-Gon flashbacks. This guy was a legit jedi
Same here. If we get a Kenobi movie and at no point get to see/hear him commune with Qui-Gon I'll be so disappointed.
I hope they have Ron Howard direct it and I hope the Ditzney idiots stay far away. Get one of the quality writers to write the script, one who is a real fan.
@@rjonboy7608 As long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of Star Wars, you should fear the announcement of any new movie...
Rithrius amen to this.
What? For real. WHAT?
Qui-Gon's death was symbolic not only because it mirrored Obiwan's death in episode IV, but it also symbolized the death of the Jedi as they were. Qui-Gon was the true embodiment of what a Jedi should be and his death signaled the death of that ideal and the death of the true Jedi.
Anyone remember the old Jedi Apprentice series with Qui-Gon and a young Obi-Wan? Those books kicked ass.
Hell yeah. One of my favorite star wars series.
I think I have one of them, I checked and it's the 2nd one I have, I think it was my brothers when he was a kid.
Those were legit story telling. Qui-gons love interest dies, old apprentice xanatos, etc.
They were amazing and one of the worst losses to Legends. They were what got me into the EU after TPM.
Wow thanks for the major nostalgia wave
In The Phantom Menace when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan first come aboard the Trade Federation flagship, Obi-Wan tells Qui-Gon that he senses something elusive. The thing that Obi-Wan senses later reveals itself to be a Sith presence. Yoda had previously told Obi-Wan to be mindful of the force. Qui-Gon tells Obi-Wan not to sacrifice knowing what was going on at the moment for seeing the bigger picture of the force. Qui-Gon believed that to be balanced in the force meant being centered within the moment. Qui-Gon believed that centering yourself required listening to what the force was telling you. This is why Qui-Gon did not follow every edict of the Jedi code. Qui-Gon saw the Jedi code as a guidebook and the force as the guide while the Jedi council saw the Jedi code as a guide and the force as merely an instrument. One of the reasons why the Jedi could not sense the presence of Darth Sidious is because they had fallen out of tune with what the force was telling them. Qui-Gon believed that the Jedi had fallen out of tune with what the force was telling them by being overly strict in their adherence to the Jedi code. Obi-Wan told Qui-Gon that if he followed the Jedi code to the letter he would be on the council. To this Qui-Gon replied that Obi-Wan still had much to learn about the force. During his fight with Darth Maul, Qui-Gon centered himself so that hate would not consume him. Qui-Gon believed that being balanced in the force meant being at peace with yourself and the outside world. The Sith knew that one of the weaknesses of the Jedi was an unbridled hatred. The Sith knew that they could exploit this weakness to prevent the Jedi from being balanced in the force. Qui-Gon died at the hand of Darth Maul because through his communion with the force he sensed that it was his destiny.
I hadn't heard of the comic, but I will definitely pick it up.
To me Qui-Gon meditating in the middle of the fight with Maul is one of my favorite moments in the prequels. The contrast between Qui-gons meditation, and Mauls agressive pacing shows the difference between light and dark perfectly!
we've had these talks about Qui Gon quite often, both here on YT and personally...he really is THE best example of what a Jedi SHOULD be, with how closely he listens to and follows the force, and it is awesomely shown here in this comic, when he gets in the ship and basically says "i dont know where im going, the Force will guide me (and then says something akin to "lets just hope it doesn't lead me right into the heart of a star" lol).. and yes, you mentioned it, but that's why we get upset when they call him a GREY Jedi. And like you said, it's not just because that really isn't a thing, but look at the word itself. GREY is basically black and white, dark and light, coming together. And Qui Gon Jinn is NOT influenced by the dark side in the slightest. In legends, sure, he has gone through some adventures where emotions are his driving force, but never did i feel he was going to turn to the dark side, even when he was tempted.
Just because he didn't follow the council to a T, and because he flat out did things the opposite of how they would do it, or did things that they basically said NO to, doesn't mean he is a "grey" Jedi.
I would say that my first forray into thinking about fan fiction, or rather really "damn, imagine if/what if" was always centered around "what if Qui Gon didn't die and he took Anakin as his Paduan as intended".... i think the easy answer is Anakin probably wouldn't have fallen to the dark side. But he was always very brash and emotionally charged. However, Qui Gon would've taught him to channel those feelings better, and would've "raised" him in a way that Anakin wouldn't worry so much about becoming a council member, and/or Master. And i think that he probably would've been able to talk to Qui Gon about his affair with Padme, also helping him stay on the light path, as together, they could've worked to try and maybe prevent what was to happen to her? Might be going out too far on that one, but that specific WHAT IF fan fic has so many different roads to go down, it'll always intrigue me til the day i die...
There are infinite possibilities. I believe Qui Gon would have been a better influence on Anakin. I think of the term Grey as "having the ability to step into a role where darkness would certainly play a roll, but not be effected by it" - remaining with the will of the Force, not influenced easily.
THANK YOU!! I once again had some stupid discussions on instagram today where people kept saying he's a grey Jedi. Such nonsense, it's really irritating man.
Qui-gon - Destroyer of the Light
I personally think the Jedi's mistake was they they banned love. They considered love to be "of the Dark Side". There is a theory that the real purpose of the Chosen One was to show the Jedi that romantic and familial love had a place in the Order, and should not be eschewed. Don't worry, there's nothing about "grey Jedi" there.
However, considering George Lucas basically said the Jedi were meant to be about love, and even about loving their enemies, and we don't see that at all in the prequels I think that they certainly had something wrong. Luke was the only one who really nailed it, by loving his father even though he became Darth Vader and allowing that love to bring him back to the light.
Of course it didn't help that the Jedi basically gift wrapped Anakin and handed him over to the Sith. They literally allowed and even encouraged Palpatine's relationship with Anakin from childhood, because it was politically useful to them.
So he groomed the poor kid under their noses and with their blessing.
Qui-Gon is what Luke should have been in the sequel trilogy. The fact that Rian Johnson/Lucasfilm tried to copy Obi-Wan/Yoda's character arcs is why the Sequel Trilogy has failed with its understanding of progression. Regardless of what happened to Luke between ROTJ and TLJ, the fact that they chose to portray him as a washed up, fear mongering coward, instead of the enlightened sage like figure that Qui-Gon was, shows that the only person to not learn from failure, was Lucasfilm. If JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio are smart, they'll take a note from this Qui-Gon comic and try to focus this mind set to the ST3 and Luke in episode IX.
They didn't.
They fucked up even worse.
@@gamedevyoutube3.030 Yes.
Thor sometimes I feel like you’re the only star wars you tuber who gets the whole balance in the force thing. Star Wars explained recently did a video on this same comic book and some how seem to get the whole balance between the light and dark thing out of it.
I KNOW. Star Wars Explained has really lost it. And his followers have become just as delusional thanks to his incorrect interpretations.
Well, in the movies Yoda was very clear that once you dabble in the dark side "forever will it dominate your destiny". Maybe it's like an addiction, you can quit but you're never really free. Even if you go for years clean you need to work at it and prepare for when that sudden craving gets you at the worst moment. "Gray" is kind of like denial, or just a little bit thinking.
@@thatblondboy007 Not just SWE but Generation Tech has also perpetuated this misconception as well. I've gone to great lengths to correct his videos on the topic and hopefully get his attention.
@@thatblondboy007 that's cuz of Rian Johnson, he followed some little UA-cam theories that the Force was in imbalance cuz there were more Jedi than Sith and that both sides need to be used equally and then he ignored all of George Lucas explanation about the chosen one and made it a reason to make Rey OP
When you realize no matter how you react, you won't change anything. You won't make people suddenly change their minds.
The only required response is, "that's an interesting way to think about it". By simply realizing it doesn't resonate with you allows you to let it go and move on.
Life is so much better when you don't try to change what's happening around you, but what's happening inside you is the very beginning of your inner peace.
Love this comic, love Qui Gon Jinn and I thank Liam Neeson for playing this character. He is my favorite character from the Phantom Menace and the whole prequel trilogy, he's a true Jedi.
I agree. Greatest character in the Prequel trilogy.
Honestly these authors are the people who should be writing story outlines and plotting the creative direction for the movies. Only then hand it over to the movie directors to execute the vision.
You can't replace George Lucas with Hollywood industry movie directors when it comes to writing stories, they are not creative in the way that George or JK Rowling etc are. But some of these authors are creative when it comes to fantasy, mythology, sci fi. Allow them to write stories and then allow directors to direct movies. Guys like JJ and Rian will make good movies if you give them a story, but they cannot come up with story. They never should have been given that responsibility, I think that is Kathleen Kennedy's biggest mistake. She didn't understand that Star Wars at it's core is mythological story telling.
The comics, novels, and animatdd shows are the only things holding Star Wars together right now. We can only hope future movies and live action TV shows can bring back Star Wars to what it was.
Totally agree, look at what Charles Soule did with the Vader comic compared to what Rian Johnson did with TLJ, who understands Star Wars more?
@@proevoisace7 yep, the fault lies with Disney for thinking that movie directors are capable of coming up with good Star Wars stories on the fly. Let authors write stories and then let directors make the movies please.
Look at what they have come up with so far. Luke has failed to pass on what he learned so he has not done what Yoda asked of him in ROTJ, he failed to rebuild the Jedi order. The new Jedi order was destroyed again by one boy who turned. So Kylo replaces Anakin in the plot. Snoke is a drop in replacement of Palpatine. Starkiller base replaces deathstar. BB8 replaces R2 as droid on the run with secret data. First order replaces the empire. Luke's character arc is forgotten, this is the guy who once said 'I am a jedi, like my father before me'. So creatively bankrupt.
The star wars universe mythos has a whole galaxy of possibilities for new Wars and social and political strife and they came up with this. For Disney it's either 'copy plot' or 'let the past die, kill it if you have to'. They can't come up with new adventures without either copying or destroying the past.
@@Arjun-eb1yc you're right of course, the comics more than anything show what the sequels could have been. I was listening to a podcast the other day and it asked if there was one thing you could change about TLJ what would it be and obviously im nowhere near the creative minds they could get but see what you think...
I'd have a whole new plot but assuming we can't do that i'd have the reason Luke tried to kill kylo differently. I'd have made Luke have a daughter who was force sensitive but she was killed by Snoke along with Luke's jedi order, however Snoke would manipulate the situation to make it look like Kylo Ren was the murderer, Luke would have a reason even briefly to think about killing Ben, he would be distraught at losing his daughter and padawans and would be a believable reason for him to be on that damn island.
I thought about that question for only a few minutes but what I came up with I think would have resonated so much more, it baffles the mind Rian Johnson had years to come up with something and thats what we got
@@proevoisace7 yep that actually makes it more personal for Luke and it's a better justification. Nothing like losing a child.
What Rian did was basically write a new character about a Jedi who wants to die and he tried to pass him off as Luke Skywalker.
I honestly really loved this recent Canon comic. And the reasons why are perfectly explained in this video. I love Qui-Gons character so much because he really is what a Jedi *should* be, and only serves the Force. But that is just me! :)
Also i'm glad you're making videos like this again, puts a warm feeling in my heart to be able to talk Star Wars like this.
Same I missed it
hopefully IX is a great movie and we can start to move on from TLJ for reals after that, even now more then a year since I seen it the first time whenever I think of Star Wars it is the first thing that comes to my mind, was just that damaging.
Thor Skywalker, you're my favorite Star Wars UA-camr! Very articulate and non confrontational approach to your videos and opinions FUN TO WATCH and,,, I almost always agree 😁
Thank you for saying that. Star Wars is meant to be shared and enjoyed, not fought over or about.
Why can’t writers like this work on the movies?
That's why the MCU is so great. One of the greatest Marvel writers of all time is actually the head of it.
@@jagnestormskull3178this comment did NOT age well
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Yeah... the MCU is sort of wandering without a clear goal or arc right now. If it focused on Kang the Conqueror, I think they would be golden, but they're also focusing on the Skrulls and trying to get the X-Men into the MCU...
Qui Gon has always been my favorite Jedi from the moment I saw him in the Phantom Menace, obviously for all the reasons you brought up here. And thank you so much, because of this video I finally understand that thing with the force and what Balance in the Star Wars universe means.
He is and was a good friend. He would never stab you in the back. He was gold. Who wouldn't love Qui Gon Jinn? I do💖
Thank you, I finally understand Qui-Gon. I had always assumed he just didn't want to obey the other masters. Now, after your video, I have so much more understanding.
I actually might read this comic now despite my grudge with Marvel comics right now. Qui-Gon's belief about people seeing the Jedi as warriors with no thought about the Force was correct not only because they were nearly forgotten after the clone wars, but also what Han said in the original film about how he never saw anything to make him believe in the Force
Actually hope they make an Obi Wan film and have Qui Gon as a force Ghost, I am sure Liam Neeson will be up for it, definitely one of the best characters from the prequels, see people forget all the awesome stuff that came out of the prequels, while TLJ had nothing that will last and be remembered
"Keep your concentration here and now, where it belongs."
"Concentrate on the moment. Feel, don't think. Use your instincts."
"Your focus determines your reality."
This is why Qui Gon has always been my favorite of the Jedi. Right there with Luke and Reven. He was the first, in canon, that truly was a servant of the force, and achieved what Palpatine had promised Anikan.
Qui-Gon Jinn, is the perfect example of what a Jedi should be... I always thought this! Great video dude!!
To put it a bit simplistically and philosophically - The Dao (or The Way) simply is. It does not concern itself with the concepts of good and evil, because those are just labels which we use in our efforts to comprehend the totality of reality. Qui Gon is definitely one of my favourite and most underrated characters in Star Wars.
Absolutely!!! You absolutely get it! The whole 'grey Jedi' thing is part of how the whole works. Nice breakdown of the comic and the character.
I'm glad to learn more about Qu-Gon, he has always been one of my favorite characters
There isn't more to learn, you saw the movie, you learned it all, the rest is fan fiction bullshit.
The notion of the "Grey" side really took off during the "dark and edgy" 90s, and popped up in the novels of that time a lot. The real question is, WHY does that concept appeal to the fandom so much? I think it appeals to many because it seems to reject Extremism, which, in real life, leads to imbalance. I think most people intuitively sense that a moderate approach to things, where many extremes meet in the middle, hopefully allowing one to take the best of each and leave the worst behind, is a productive way of life, in philosophy, politics, whatever. So, it's a little jarring to them to get that that's NOT how it works in SW...just my thought.
The Grey Jedi: We'll come together and vote, based on freedom of choice. We'll then take the freedom of choice away and the majority rules in moderation of the extremes.
The True Jedi: I'll do what I must to ensure what the Force wills, even if it is to go to extremes to protect what I am guided to do.
I think some of it may have came from games like Jedi Academy that let you use both light side skills and dark skills like force lightning and force choke without going dark. Then ar one point you can choose the light or dark path and still use all the skills. It was rather fun occasionally force choking an annoying mouthy dark jedi, turning and dropping him over the edge of a walkway to splat. 😁
But I always had my doubts about the "good"ness of some of that, like watching Obi Wan mindfuck some poor draftee, "these are not the droids you are looking for. Now drop your pants and do the chicken dance while chanting 'Vader gives great helmet'" poor schmuck will be in therapy for years!
I think the biggest problem is, once you step into Fantasy, you step out of real world Logic. It doesn't matter as long as they give us a good story with some consistency, and some view the consistency as... broken.
I'm not sure how else to articulate that. I feel like there's something to add, but that'll have to be good enough for tonight. I need to get ready for work.
I wish there was a super like button for your comment.
Very good points HoO. Although I admit to being interested in the whole 'Grey Jedi' fad, which I'm pretty sure was in the 90's like you said, I consider it to be more due to laziness, both in the character and the writer. Being a Jedi or Sith requires a great deal of study and training in that specific lore. Not worrying about writing any of that into a story can save a bunch of time, which also makes the character seemingly more relatable. And as Dale touched on, worrying about real world logic in a science-fantasy genre it doesn't really work. It just makes the characters more bland IMHO.
Qui-Gon Jinn should have been the Grand Master of the Jedi Order during the time of troubles with the return of the Sith. Far better and would have made sure Anakin was properly trained.
He had more of a father-son relationship with Anakin, while Obi-Wan was more like an elder brother acting as a parent. This in my opinion caused Anakin to be this rebellious towards his master.
Um, the whole premise is stupid. Why bring balance to something already in the majority. Why 'want' darkness? Qui-gon is one of the most stupid Jedi to ever live and his actions brought nothing but shame on his name.
+Starwars is dead and Luke is bringing them back? He’s making the same mistakes his predecessors are making.
I don't think its that he would have trained Anakin better, but that he might have seen through Palpatine more quickly, and not allowed him to foster a close relationship with Anakin from childhood, which the Jedi Council did, and by doing so groom a vulnerable child under their noses.
They basically gift wrapped The Chosen One and handed him over the Sith like a Christmas present.
@@LCM-vo1rj you care, or you wouldn't have targetted me. Thanks for caring.
Disney should have hired you as a consultant! You get it!
still happy to see someone share my view of Qui Gon after 15 years of being the only one I knew who considered him the most jedilike Jedi in the whole movies. Liam Neeson gave such an iconic performance in that movie its one of the few redeeming features of The Phantom Manace. Thats also why I dont understand why some original trilogy hardcore fans hate on the Prequels, claiming they where utter crap. Sure, they where flawed in some ways (Jar-Jar; Mediclorians *coughcough*); Lucas also showed us what a true Jedi should sound, act and look like.
Surely, later Luke and Yoda showed that wisdom, but in everything Qui Gon did, from the way he talked to Anakin, his mother, the council, Obi-Wan and anyone else you could just feel his inner balance oozing from him in all he said and did. He was determined, fearless, kind and not attached to anything to a point where (fear of) loss would tempt him to be selfish. He listened to the will of the force, and when faced with being called to throw his own well-being to defend others there was no hesitation, but also no anger or doubt. Or hate. He did what was needed, no matter the personal cost it would take from him.
I've always considered Qui-Gon to be the wisest Jedi. In my own stories, the characters look up to him
7:57 "Feed you after midnight, I should not have!"
I've always like Qui Gon. He has been my favourite Jedi ever since the Phantom Menace.
Something I find interesting is the music played during Qui Gon's funeral is the same as during Vader's reconstruction. If Qui Gon survived and had trained Anakin, showed him a path other than the strict rigid code of the jedi or falling to the dark side, things may have been different.
By far the best explanation I've heard, to date, about the impossibility of truly using the dark side while remaining a Jedi or avoiding 'falling' to the dark side yourself. Pure and simple: you can't use the dark side without helping it, you can't help it without using it, so using it can't help defeat it, period
Qui-gon is my favorite Jedi of all time, I’m glad they do him justice finally
People hate on Qui Gon, but I've always re recognized him as one of my favorite Jedi. He embodies what a Jedi should be.
I wonder what Qui Gonn’s thoughts on Mace Windu’s Vaapaad fighting style were then.
@Still It was also used by Dark side users
Now, Once I got an alert that you uploaded another video, I immediately knew it was going to be "How star wars sucks now" "Who are rey's parents" or "why star wars is dying" Surprised (pleasantly) that we get some original good, and more though provoking content that doesn't involve any dead horses by beating!
Qui-Gon is awesome. I love his particular set of skills!
Oui Gon Jinn is the greats jedi to ever exist. To be temped by the dark side multiple times, and still stay a Jedi is a feat that many Jedi feld to do. If Qui Gon managed to get through to Anikan while he killed the Sand People, he never would've been temped to the dark side. Qui Gon continued to call at to Anikan through out the clone wars and through out his temptations to the dark side. But Anikan under truly understood that Qui Gon is calling to him through the force. Which lead to his fall and become vader. Sounds dumb to say, but he died vs Maul cause he chose too. To join the living force, to hopefully one day guide the jedi to true understanding. This also ties into Return of the Jedi. When Yota talks to Luke, saying books dont make a jedi. Only truly trusting the force makes a Jedi.
So trust the force helps jedie become immortal but for anyone who isn't a jedie gets screwed. Great
@@Narutofan825 all become the force, but all cant retain themselves, some jedi and a few sith retained themselves through the force. Force ghost or even rebirth, all is possible if you retain yourself in the force
I find it hard to believe in the Jedi when the only successes we are shown are when the protagonists ignore the Light Side.
Qui Gon stops to meditate and center himself in the fight with Mail, and dies. Obi Wan only wins once he attacks with angry fervor.
Yoda tells Luke he needs to stay on Dagobah or all will be lost. Instead Luke gives in to fear, runs off, and winds up saving his friends - the only reason the Rebels win against the Empire later.
Similarly to the first example, Luke gets his butt kicked by Vader/Palpatine until he truly let's loose and gets pissed, then he is victorious, and manages to not only defeat Vader but TURN HIM AWAY FROM THE SITH...all because of anger and hate.
Gray Jedi come from the stigma of the teachings of the Jedi Order. Jedi that use, or adhere to, strictly Sith abilities or doctrine have to be categorized separately by both being able to cross that line & choosing to. As we know now a TRUE Jedi is one that straddles the lines between them & uses the teachings of both to carry out the will of the force. Qui-Gon Jinn was a great example of what an actual Jedi should be. The only thing gray about him was what we called him before we knew the true nature of the force & maybe his hair lol
What true nature? Is it in film? Did Lucas write it? Because the extended shit is extended shit, it's not canon lol.
I look forward to your video in the Gray Jedi concept. Long before the prequels, and before there was a *Star Wars RPG,* I introduced my daughter to table-top RPGs by running *Star Wars* games using the game system for another sci-fi RPG. In this game, I had her mother, an Imperial Scout crash on a remote planet. Only a short time after crashing did she discover she was with child (later to be my daughter's character). Her mother was rescued from the crash and befriended by a race of sentient creatures that were sensitive in the force. However, they had no concept of the _Good Side_ and the _Dark Side,_ as they are known to the Jedi.
In an attempt to make a long story short (and removing a great many details), my daughter was trained by an elder of this race. They did not see the force as good or bad, but simply like other forces *in nature* . . .it simply _was._ Their discipline mimicked that of the weather at times, or that of the animals and insects of the world. Aggressive when defending or attacking for survival. But without malice. As a true balance with nature.
I planned on her character being _The Other_ *Yoda* spoke of in Episode V (I was never a fan of Luke and Leia being brother and sister). That campaign was eventually dropped as these things are sometimes. Then when the prequels came out, we considered returning to that character. I thought about having her character be _The One that is to bring balance to the Force_ noted in the prophecy, as her character truly was living that balance, and could pass on the teachings. But I also considered the idea of how that alien race which taught her was able to embrace that concept more readily than a human truly could in the long run. And eventually my daughter's character would start to run into the standard _Good vs Evil_ conflict. Either because of the aliens' physiology, or simply because they never lived amongst the other worlds, where there was a concrete battle between good vs evil where the oppression of the Empire existed.
In closing (and I left out a lot), the tenants of these force wielders are not exactly the kind that can be taught to an elder Jedi, except perhaps in a way that allows them to only _acknowledge_ the concepts. Their age and lifetime of previous teachings would hinder any real ability to embrace this as a way of life. One would have to be raised on it, while also surrounded by its examples in every creature within the world around them. For I believe that one might go from a world where the concept of Good and Evil does not exist and then slowly learn of it. But to go from being raised on, and surrounded by, the concepts of Good and Evil, then try to completely erase said concepts from your core ideology would be far more difficult.
Qui Gon and Kreia, the true jedi philosophers. They are what makes star wars universe still interesting imo.
I haven't read this comic but ever since watching episode one, I always felt qui gon was and is what jedi should be. Not a follower of the republic, but a follower of the Force itself. I'm glad to see that he is finally getting some focus, he is such an enigmatic character in star wars lore. I fully believe that had he survived past the battle of Naboo and trained Anakin, Anakin would have never fallen to the dark side
What is creation without destruction, what is light without darkness, what’s life and serenity without emotion and chaos,
What is joy without sorrow, compassion without love, courage without fear, forgiveness without anger
5:50 I've always hated the dark and light side labels. One side revolves around serenity, the other around passion. Both can lead to ruin if taken to their extremes. I've always looked at the idea of a gray jedi as someone which has come to understand that and walk the line between - not becoming too disconnected from the world and ultimately the force in their serenity, but also realizing the danger of becoming lost in dark passions like hatred and anger and instead letting compassion and love drive their use of the force when appropriate.
Oh, so that's the character the movies should be exploring.
I have always liked the concept of the Grey Jedi. As the Grey Jedi embrace the entirety of the Force while still aligning themselves more on the light side. Grey Jedi are able to tap into the Dark Side without it consuming them. Balance is what makes not only the Star Wars Galaxy work, but our world as well. Moderation mixed with balance is key. Too much of a good thing can be just as bad as too much of a bad thing. I don't know if Qui-Gon was considered a Grey Jedi, but my view of the Force is that the Jedi and the Sith are both wrong. The Jedi were wrong about forming attachments and desires. It's how we express those feelings that make them healthy or unhealthy. Moderate use of both sides is balance.
Thank you for this. Qui-Gon has always been one of my top favorite characters, and it's a shame we didn't get more of him in the films. His death was, unfortunately, necessary. I'm glad this comic exists, and it might've made good material for a nice 90 minute movie. Nevertheless, I don't trust the current management at Lucasfilm to execute it well.
Obi-Wan is my favorite character in all of Star Wars, but Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi.
That makes no sense at all.
Fighting fire with fire quite literally means using fire to create a controlled burn. This makes a barrier that a wild fire can not burn through because it has already been burnt. Its about out thinking an uncontrolled wild force. For example, creatively using anger not to let it go unchecked or go out of control, but to stop someone’s anger that is. It’s important to understand where this additive comes from because most assume it means fighting aggression with more aggression or hate with more hate. It’s dangerous and leads to an unending staircase of hate and suffering. It’s about knowing how to use a dangerous force decisively to stop an uncontrolled one.
Qui-Gon has always been my favorite Jedi. His difference in his views next to the Jedi council's always made me think of him as a Martin Luther type, loving what he was a part of, but seeing its deep rooted flaws and its anchor to politics that should not exist, and understanding what was really the truth that so many failed to see.
Loved this video. Please keep making more.
4:28 This bit here reminds me of the way Luke defeated the Emperor, he was trying to use empathy to make Vader change, seeing him as a broken man rather than a monster.
There are some interesting discussions (that aren't pro war exactly) about Lord of the Rings and how the way they handle war is good. Bc it acknowledges that you should use war to protect, or to do what is necessary, but it never glorifies it. In TPM, it looks as though Qui Gon is not afraid to bring the fight to them if it means helping people. Which is basically how I view the Jedi's involvement in CW, they wanted to do what was right, and likely were, but they were also playing into Palpatine's hand which I think is a symbol that we are good not bcoz we win but bcoz of our choices.
You have a great understanding of all things Star Wars.
This is the best argumentation against the "Grey jedi" concept I have ever read. It clearly points out why such a concept will not work and shall never be the end goal of the new trilogy. Also the last page of that comic where Qui Gon states how important it is to find balance for the Jedi seams to be a great pointer towards how EP IX will play out in the end - Aka that the Jedi under Rey must find a way to listen to the will of the force in order to find the ultimate balance instead of the endless rise and fall of the two sides of the force. Johan.
Disney should use the Source Material by making Rey's Jedi Order be similar to Luke's Order in Legends, like it's okay to Marry or you can use the Darkside, or you can have more than One Padawan, or You can use Force Lightning.
Cool. Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi.
Qui-Gon Jinn was immediately my favorite Jedi after TPM
As someone who hates the prequels almost as much as the latest sequels, this is the best argument I've heard for Qui-Gon Gin being a worthwhile character.
A great summary of this comic! A very enjoyable video!
Qui Gon is the paragon Anakin was denied. The Mr. Miyagi he needed, one with the courage to disobey because he needed to, not because he wanted to, like Anakin ended up doing.
Thanks. Qui-Gon is one of my favorites. I quote him a lot in my videos.
Qui-Gon is like the Jedi Martin Luther. He was definitely my favourite prequel character.
Ecellent video. Finally, someone who has an opinion about Qui-Gon similar to my own. People misunderstanding the balance of the force drive me crazy. How anyone can think that it means equal number Sith and Jedi is beyond me. Harmony and a symbiotic relationship is an excellent was to describe it.
I have often said that balance is like a beautiful still pond with perfect reflection. The dark side is a stone thrown into the pond which creates chaos in the form of ripples that distort the reflection. Tapping into the dark side is unnatural, as stated by Palpatine himself, hence the dark side's growth via Sith or any other dark-sider causes the force to be unbalanced.
And yes, the idea of grey Jedi is ignorant and completely misses even the most basic understanding of the Force.
Qui Gon is legitimately underrated by fans.
I love how restrained Qui Gon is until he’s face to face with a Sith, then he doesn’t hold back; however he’s still outmatched by Maul and is put on the defensive twice. It makes me truly wonder how Qui Gon would’ve fit in during the Clone Wars had he survived, as the Jedi easily step in as keepers of peace leading convenient clones against the droids (their biggest threat until the reveal of the Sith) and don’t hold back.
Qui Gon is a true Jedi, Obi Wan learned his lesson on Tatooine, and Yoda during his duel with Sidious…
Yes, I have thought the same as you. I have not read this comic, or any of them, but Qui Gon is from before the "clouding" of the force by Palpatine as discussed in TPM (a movie many still reject) but before the Dark Side fouled in the Senate and the force (something that took the Jedi Council by surprise as apparent from dialogue the Sith were thought wiped out) Before Palpatine sprang into their midst the Sith spent generations perfecting trickery to cover and hide so he could stand right among them. Apparently, before that masters could detect force users from long distances and in visions. They would know about sensitives long before they used their "wild talents", or were exploited for them.
And I also agree about Qui Gon's behavior. He followed the will of the Force, not the will of the Senate. The politicians didn't like that, as we saw in some of the New Republic books where Luke took his new jedi academy off Coruscant and there was still a lot of government complaints about them not knuckling under to local authority. Also, the fight with Maul showed Qui Gon was not a "warrior" (only) as Maul was more agressive and ruthless. Qui Gon was more of an inspector-diplomat. He could fight, but it was not his first job.
The Jedi were not, after all, a Christian organization and should not be judged in that context. It seems the philosophy was more of a ambassador between societies. Bringing order through understanding. That's why they didn't just kill the slave keeper Watto and free little Anakin and his mother. In my opinion they didn't grant themselves the right to judge. (Plus it would have made for a much shorter movie...🤑)
Qui Gong is amazing character. I hope we see more of him before Liam is too old to play him.
Qui gon was always my favorite character and i would LOVE to see more of him...
Wonderful analysis video. I was just wondering if you have seen the first episode of Star Wars Theory's Vader fan film yet. Definitely worth a look!
I agree with everything you’ve said. Qui-Gon sought the will of the force and to find that balance. He reminds me of Master Ougwei from Kung Fu Panda. I think he would’ve been the perfect Jedi master for Anakin because he was not rigid like the Jedi Council, rather he sought that balance and I believe he would have been able to help Anakin master his fear and other emotions which led to his downfall.
My favorite Jedi. So many what-ifs.
He is the greatest Jedi of all, and he deserved so much more screen time.
Now, everyone should adhere to the proper commenting format, of starting your comment with "now".
As a young kid, Qui Gon Jinn’s character was very influential to me. I saw him as a wise and just hero.
I don't know if I'm alone here or not, but I would love to see a full video on your feelings on the Grey Jedi
Great video Thor! This is the funnest I've had thinking about the Force in over a year. I even forgot about TLJ garbage until I started typing this.
Love all your vids and the point of views you present for food for thought. Though I admit in this video I had to comment on your point of view about the perception of the dark side. The one exception to your belief about the boundaries of such is Mace Windu and his ability to use the seventh form and vaapad which taps into the dark side...
The Jedi council is the college of cardinals and Qui Gon Jinn was like a medieval friar who became a saint (Francis of Assisi for example)
Of all the good things about the Prequel, Qui-Gon Jinn is my favorite. And it certainly doesn't hurt that Liam Neeson was casted as Jinn :D
Qui-Gon is one of my all time favorite Star Wars characters. When strugling with the fact that I didn't really liked Episode I (Or that there's is a lot I dont't like in the movie) , I've always think of Qui-Gon, and the the movie become more palatable for me...
Qui-Gon was the wisest Jedi of his time. I think that is why I like him and Ahsoka so much. They are wise and they are prescient, and they act on it and behave according to it instead of just taking the easier path. If only Obi-Wan had listened to his master.
Had Qui-Gon Jinn lived and killed Darth Maul alongside Obi-Wan Kenobi during the duel on Naboo if the latter hadn't been knocked out by him there would have been a lot of changes for the Skywalker Saga:
1. Anakin Skywalker would become Qui-Gon Jinn's new apprentice and Obi-Wan Kenobi would be assigned to Count Dooku given his history with the former as his master.
2. Darth Maul would be as mentioned before dead thus he wouldn't come back with mechanical legs and wreak on the galaxy even going so far as to kill Duchess Satine Kryze and Pre Viszla respectively as well as take over Mandalore briefly.
3. Count Dooku would have never left the Jedi Order/Jedi Council and the Galactic Republic by defecting to the Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS).
4. Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious would have never had Count Dooku as an apprentice instead he would have to find another one and seeing how he knows the Nightbrothers/Nightsisters of Dathomir really well given his history with Darth Maul he would choose Asajj Ventress as his new apprentice.
5. Savage Oppress would be even more angry at the Jedi Order/Galactic Republic for killing his brother Darth Maul he would likely join the Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS) trained as a Sith assassin under Asajj Ventress and Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious.
6. Anakin Skywalker would become a Jedi Knight like he did in the main timeline.
7. As for Shmi Skywalker, she would have either lived or died depending on how things go.
8. The Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS) would have a completely different leader possibly Asajj Ventress since she would be a fully trained apprentice under Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious and thus become a figurehead leader.
9. Ahsoka Tano would still become Anakin Skywalker's apprentice and alongside Qui Gon Jinn, and Obi-Wan Kenobi fight in the Clone Wars on the side of the Galactic Republic against the Confederacy of Independent Systems (CIS).
10. Given that Anakin Skywalker was very close to Qui Gon-Jinn he would have very much talked to him about his feelings and love for Padme Amidala something he might object to but try to help him out a lot. Qui Gon Jinn would have also countered any and all attempts of Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious trying to influence Anakin Skywalker given his teachings. Flash forward to Revenge of the Sith and Order 66 might not even occur whatsoever with him to help his former apprentice who wouldn't have killed Mace Windu and instead Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious would have probably died or gone into hiding.
11. Padme Amidala would be alive and well complete with giving a healthy birth to both Luke Skywalker and Leia Skywalker after the Clone Wars for Anakin Skywalker. Although the Jedi Order/Galactic Republic were not fans of marriage and love given that Luke Skywalker and Leia Skywalker were more or less likely to be strong in the Force they wouldn't refuse training and instead allow them in as new recruits/Padawans/Knights.
Great video!
Qui-Gon was a complete throw-a-way character, just as the Phantom Menace was a throw-a-way movie, Both could have been so much more
True. No dabbling. Great video! Thank you!
You know what this means? That if Qui-Gon Jinn hadn't been killed by Darth Maul, he would have trained at Anakin to heed the will of the force. Meaning when Anakin hooked up with Padme, Qui-Gon Jinn might have covered for Anakin believing it to be the will of the force as love as a form of compassion which is part of the light side.
Thor, this video is why I watch your channel. Superb.
Qui-Gon is easily the best part of TPM. I can't say anything beyond that he really was a true Jedi.
Qui-Gon jinn the man, the myth, the legend
Without destruction, without corruption, there can be no life.
A Gray Jedi has found Balance in the Force, and would be a great Jedi indeed.
This gray nonsense... very millennial. Yoda told everyone, do or do not, there is no try. There is no in between, you are a Jedi or you are a Sith, you are a good person or you are not. Fan fiction nonsense.
I love it. well put
Oh, so that's why TCW'08 is the greatest Star Wars ever. It continues to retell things that were said long before it, but in such a way that people think these are TCW's original genius ideas.
This video just convinced me to try out Star Wars comics. Had no interest previously, being unaware as to the quality of their content but if this is the quality to expect in terms of deep and interesting themes with real characters and great artwork...I think I'll have to start checking them out, with this issue as the first one :)
Thanks Thor Skywalker!