Great point! Santana/Santoviento should make a return in Jojolion or a light novel (or maybe JoJo 9?) and take on stand users and Spin users AND hamon users . . . . .
Actually, they were buried with gemstones because they knew humans are attracted to gems, and they used them to trap and consume people. Remember Caesar's dad?
I always feel that his wings give the impression of him being the Jojo Universe's version of Icarus: trying to achieve a significant leap but in the end failing.
A great analysis. However, Joseph isn't a hypocrite. Kars broke the law that the battle would be a 1v1 by placing a vampire in the arena against Lisa Lisa. Sure, Lisa Lisa was so good of a hamon master that the vampire posed no threat to her, but it still imbalanced the scales. While Joseph does use trickery, and deceives and annoys his opponents, it's still part of the battle. His battle. Not someone else's.
although i agree with you that that is Joseph's style of combat, the arena's were considered a very straight forward place back in the day, wham kept shaming Josephs for his behavior and urging him to fight as intended, the point is Joseph's been doing this since the very beginning, however Kars did it once, and yet he was the one called out for it. he wasn't desperate, he was angry after all his life long work to save his species is all coming down in flames because of a cocky 19 year old giant trickster, in my opinion thats why he "stooped" to his level i guess and acted recklessly in the end. overall, i appreciate the analysis i thought it was great ^^.
Sifer krypt I always though it was because he attacked her from the back. I never remembered Joseph doing that. Yet I don't remember Battle Tendency a lot since I read the manga and watched the anime years ago.
You're not wrong, he did attack from behind, he used a double as a scape goat then attacked, but is that any differant from josephs strategy's? He relies on deception and even used his friends as distraction once. The point is up until that point kars was straight forward himself, he was rational and calm, but after loosing everyone he just let loose i guess, i wont call it grief, but whatever it was it made him reckless and shortsighted which led to his never ending trip into the void
Sifer krypt Well, you know how it goes. Joseph is an hypocrite, Jotaro is in the spectrum, Josuke is a greedy shitter that burns your house down, Jolyne is worst jojo, Johnny is was the right son to take and Gappy makes me happy. Everyone has their flaws and that's how Araki intended I guess. Except for Jonathan he was to pure for this world. *edit* And Giorno wants to be a ganstar that sells drugs to the kids.
Yup..coudn't have said it better, at the end of the day, there is no absolute good or evil, they are human, but the point is they try, each in their own way..except for giorno..because fuck that gangstar shit.
Most animals need blood from the heart to go to their brains. The blood is oxygenated by air from the lungs. So, I'm pretty sure not everyone can survive with just a brain
"The boss is weak, if you hit it a few dozen times in the glowing spot that opens occasionally it'll die." "But what if you hit it anywhere else?" "Oh? That does fuck all." Weakness my fucking ass
@@horaciosi Shit I'm pretty sure they live despite the brain being destroyed considered the first Pillar man introduced was still in attack mode when he was little more than a pile of rocks.
@Chris Martin it depends what new universe hes talking about. In the made in heaven one hes alive, but we dont know about the steel ball run universe. They are not the same.
@@joaoviktor992 i think it would be reasonable to assume that joseph killed santana off screen after the events of battle tendency in the main universe. for all we know the pillar men could still be stoned in the SBR universe, waiting to be awakened.
Anno Domination Santana is very much alive in the new MiH universe. MiH only didn’t transport people if they were already dead, Santana never died so he should be in the MiH, but since people who put in different locations compared to where they were pre-universe shift, he might not be at the speedwagon foundation anymore.
Kars gets too much hate. I'll admit he doesn't leave the most lasting impression compared to most others, but he's not my least favourite JoJo villain. Gonna show this to anyone who says Kars is shit.
michael dorsey I think that was because Battle Tendency focused more on other stuff and also Araki made the weird choice of basically having three villains to share the spotlight. I think that after that he learned that it was better to have just a main villain (although Stardust Crusaders formula of grunt of the week wasn't really exciting, everything felt like in the end Jotaro would beat the stand user and the group would continue).
@@michaeldorsey9231 saying Kars is generic is just, well, a dumb thing to say. Dio on the other hand is pretty generic, there's nothing to him other than "I wanna have power" he has no good backstory, no real personality, he's just built solely around "I wanna have power" whereas Kars actually changed as the series went on, at the start he seemed more toned down, calm if you will. Then during the first time we see him in action (Jojo and Stroheim Vs Kars) we realize that he is much more, then even later after he has the super aja his personality develops once again. We even learn his motivation through a tragic backstory, his people turned against him when he was trying to better them. How can you say that that is generic and not think the same of Dio?
@@caesarin0 That's a fair argument to make. I think Dio is considered a better villain than Kars because he's given more time as an antagonist, whereas Kars is relegated to one part and hardly has any relevance afterwards.
Well, without Karz, we would get to see the fabulous yet ordinary adventure of the Joestar bloodline, ancient family of Victorian noblesse, on their road to slowly, but surely become one of the greatest philanthropist fortune on earth.
No kars=no mask No mask=no vampire Dio No vampire Dio=Dio gets arrested Dio gets arrested=Jonathan wins Again no Kars=no part 2 Dio in jail=no part 3 Dio not getting a chance to negotiate with Diavolo=no stands No stands=no part 4 No stands again=only hamon Dio not stealing JoJo's body=no Giorno no Giorno=no part 5 Dio in Jail again=no disciple like Pucci No Pucci=no part 6 No Pucci and part 6=no time/universe reset No time/universe reset=no alternate universe No alternate universe=no part 7 and 8 Conclusion:no Kars=JJBA is just about two brothers fighting
@@Johsther Part 7 and Part 8 will still happen. Because SO ocean has nothing to do with the steel ball run universe. The universe we see at the end of stone ocean is ireneverse where part 1-5 still happen. Only part 6 didnt happen because pucci never existed in this universe due emporio killing pucci before the universe got reset.
@@abdullaismail4432 all part 1 to 6 have nothing to do with part 7 and 8 universe . Part 1 to 6 didn't happen in part 7 and 8 ; not same universe ; part 7 and 8 Its true timeline.
I like Kars better than Dio to be honest, because he has a legitimate goal. Dio just gets to be more important in the story despite being an incredibly simplified villain in pretty much all but part 6. Also, Kars saves a puppy while Dio kills at LEAST one dog, so he's got that on him. Honestly, I'm really sad for Kars by the end of part 2, in part because I don't understand why Lisa Lisa had and could not possibly give up the Super Aja. It all seemed like a really strange and avoidable fight. About the "kingly" look of Kars, as you say... I'm not sure. In my opinion, his original appearance appears subdued and rational, even sort of modest, while when he lets his hair out, he looks more glorious and bombastic, which also suits the way he acts at these times.
I agree with you on Kars being a better villain than Dio (Dio can go f himself), but I don't agree with you on the thought of just giving Kars the Super Aja to just avoid a fight. Yes, Kars was the last of his species, but who is to say it's better to give someone what they want just because the last of their friends died? It's kinda like trying to decide if you want to give someone a weapin they will probably kill lots of people with in the hope that they are peaceful with it or trying to limit overall casualties by keeping it away from them. Like here's that atomic bomb you have been trying to get from us for a few months now don't detonate it in a major city....
Master Markus It’s worth noting that Kars’ masks cause him to be ever more aggressive. The other Pillar Men attacked him because he endangered the balance they’d achieved with the world; he’d developed an appetite that would reveal the Pillar Men and, presumably, “overfish” everything on the surface. It is in no way a far stretch to presume that his perfect form would result in him eventually consuming all life on Earth to fulfill his insatiable appetite.
It was scientifically impossible for Kars to drift out into space. In the anime, he tried to use air to push him forward, which failed and froze him but would've worked nonetheless. Due to Newton's first law, That attempt would've left him drifting towards Earth because of a lack of friction in outer space. Slow as it would be, he would've made it back. Also, the Earth's gravitational pull is much too strong for him to just float off into the distance. Rather than that, he would've simply revolved around the earth, such as a satellite.
The air worked for a few moments before freezing over. So it probably altered his momentum from way to much to a little bit less too much and he still got rekt.
@@heiljandal1329 Joseph and Lisa Lisa warned him that it wasn't safe. That they should wait which lead him to go on his own and lose his life in the process... Tragic but also pretty reckless, Joseph has a better intuition.
Joseph : "Nigerundayo !!!" Wammu : "Lord Kars please don't look at it...." -Trickery Kars Appears Kars : "Too late, I've seen everything" - So Kars learned that from Joseph Bad Influence
People saying Joseph is a hypocrite are missing the point. Joseph bluffs, schemes, and tricks people, but he never cheats. He used his overwhelming size and strength and the fact the cops don't know about Hamon to save Smokey. He uses the environment and mind games against the racist while he, Smokey, and Granny Erina are all eating. He uses the environment and reading his opponent to beat Caesar. He uses his street smarts and newfound knowledge of Hamon to beat the fights against ACDC. He uses almost everything I've listed as well as Wham's own tricks against him in the coliseum fight. Where does Joseph stab his opponent in the back or hell, even really lie? Yeah, there's trickery, but if he says something is gonna happen, it will. That's even mirrored in his "Tsugi ni omae wa", which always come true. He's never said "oh yeah, do this and you may live" and then decides "Nah, change my mind." The closest thing to that is when he tries to bluff ACDC out of Suzie Q. TL;DR: people who call young Joseph a hypocrite don't pay attention to the character
@EccentricSageNot a bad way of viewing him. Makes his name pretty appropriate as aside from standard rock references, cars are one of the foremost and life changing developments of modern humans. ACDC might be a more appropriate name for him given it refers right back to electricity itself though. Hmm, Wammu kind of breaks that trend with a name that has nothing to do with human development though. Should have called him Metallica or something.
I just now realized that Joseph is an ass for calling Cars out for tricks. Jesus, my eyes have opened. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a president to Spin and a Corpse to look for.
bait4sale9001 But Joseph uses tricks to fight and give him the advantage, Kars however uses tricks to win, Kars use tricks that do not stick to the rules like when he had vampires fight Lisa Lisa when he promised a one v one while Joseph will use tricks, his tricks keep to the rules and only uses to to help him get the advantage.
Grimrai Play Hey, before the race even starts, let me put dirt at Wamuu's wheels so he'll be stuck, then let me kick that dirt into his face, just for shits! Plus, had Caesar lived, Joseph would've most definitely had him help from the sidelines, like sending a bubble out to loosen a chariot wheel, or to distract/ injure Wamuu or Cars
bait4sale9001 Again, there was nothing in the rules to say he could not do that and you think pretty lowly of Caesar, we all know that Caesar would never do that because of his honour.
It doesn't make Joseph a hypocrite for calling out Kars's cheating and dishonoring the duel that he agreed to. Although, it was fantastic that he did cheat. Kars broke the God Complex that Joseph had over them this whole time. The God Complex was at it's weakest in Kars while being at its strongest with Wamu, leaving Eisidisi swinging either way.
I mean they could have but in between the time crunch and them needing to keep contact with anyone at a minimum (including the speedweed foundation) they didnt have the time or oppertunity to request or gain access to them. Also theres a good chance even if they did that those UV lights wouldnt have made it to Dio (hol horse shooting them for example)
I don't think Joseph is a hypocrite. Joseph would never resort to using someone else as a decoy. While tricks are permitted, using someone else violates their agreement of one on one. They never laid out any other ground rules except one on one match. Anything goes except relying on someone else. It would be like Joseph tag teaming Lisa-Lisa in and having her kill Wamuu while he's distracted.
@@GM-ew4fv But didn't Joseph want to bluff him out into thinking he didn't care to trick him into letting her go and got pissed when he hurt her only after Straight Pants toke her hostage out of Joseph's control
dude. Jojo is so deep when you just give it a little bit of time... Like... It's not only funny jokes and awful memes. It's really deep and gives me excistential crisis every now and again...(Thanks DIO... For giving me reasons to think if anything is worth it in the end....)
Ok I have to disagree with you when Kars obtained perfection his first act was brutally killing a squirrel so he no longer cared for any other life form, and Joseph isn't a hypocrite because Kars didn't use trickery that was flat out cheating & that was after wamuu's death a close friend of Kars who strived on being honorable and who Joseph showed mercy and respect towards (also wamuu killed a group of vampires who tried to kill Joseph right after the match which was the same thing Kars did) so doing that after his death was lowdown and dishonorable
I agree, but one big problem. Joseph wasn't a hypocrite. He used deception and trickery, but never broke a rule. For people that are bringing up the wamuu fight, he gave a chance to clear the rocks from underneath, and wamuu denied. He never broke rules, he used loopholes and deception. Kars on the other hand, broke the rules. He said it would be a fair 1 on 1 fight, but he lied and used a double to kill lisa lisa. Kars is a cheat, Joseph is a trickster.
Joseph ain’t a hypocrite he outsmarts his opponents with tricks during the battle say what you want about wamuu vs Jospeh but it was entirely fair and Joseph ended up outsmarted wamuu Kars sent a vampire in his place and then destroyed Lisa Lisa before a fight even begins At least that’s what I think lul
The tribe merely feared the ambition and power of kars, they were primitive while kars was far from that. He merely needed to get things in much more ethical methods which he would've done in time.
Bravo! A lot of times I have left annoyed by everyone hatred of Kars for attacking Lisa LIsa from behind.... when is not much different that what joseph did all the time, I really happy you pointed it out.
I, Quetzalcoatl, shall defend Kars. Here are 7 reasons that Kars is justified in his actions: 1. Kars is a guardian of Nature. He protects flora and fauna which he knows are meant to be in an area, killing off invasive species (cough cough you guys cough cough) 2. 8 billion is a bit of a stretch for ANY species, so the pillar species is the one natural predator to man. Overpopulation is real, and can seriously trip a species up. 3. Araki uses the killing of dogs in the series itself to show that a character is corrupt or not in their right mind. Not only did Kars spare a dog, he saved one. 4. Kars "cheating" was in response to Joseph doing the same. 5. As I stated earlier, humans are overpopulated and do not have any natural predators. Kars did not respect you humans for that simple reason. Would you respect a mosquito if there were billions of them worldwide and they were reproducing quicker than you are? 6. Humans instantly attempt to kill anything that seems mildly powerful and hasn't been seen in a while. I can't count how many nukes I have taken for being a "monster". 7. Then we have the infamous moment when he turns his hand into a squirrel. Who did he kill via the squirrel? A bunch of nazis. You see where this is going? Leave a like if you agree with what I am telling you.
Kars did genuinely want to help his people. He's curious, like Humans are and at first I doubt he wanted to become a super being, just find a way to walk in the sun. The problem was that his creation was harming the environment, but Kars didn't see any wrong with this "at first". If you take a closer look, Kars's hatred for machines, saving a dog's life and taking many complicated steps to not land on a flower shows that he actually may have felt some guilt over his mission and the fact that it was his harm to the environment that lead to his race trying to kill him and him needing to slaughter them.
I’d unironically love a light novel about Kara landing on an alien planet, kind of like how Kira became a spirit detective after he died. Let Kars be the ultimate life form he always wanted to be, but shift his focus slightly. Maybe he takes up the role as a guardian for a primitive alien race, or asserts himself as a god and forces aliens to fight him in order to test his limits. Idk, something quirky like that.
So Infinite Sun Hamon? I guess Part 2 was the best way to send off Hamon and get to stands. Just like the Infinite Spin? Its send off was being used on Funny Valentine a VERY powerful enemy.
Do you think that if his people did not turn on him there would have been a race of "modern day" (circa 1940s-50s Battle tendency arc) pillar men that were good? aka Kars, ACDC, etc?
DUDEEEE I WISH I WASN'T LATE BUT I'd like to think that since Kars became the Ultimate Lifeform, he lost all instincts of survival, hence he was caught SO OFF GUARD in the fight. MY GUY JUST WANTED TO SLAP JOSEPH NO MATTER THE COSTS. Smh. If only he cared about himself a bit 😢
I think Battle Tendency is so good, because, unlike further parts, it has no fillers and very few protagonosts and antagonists and thus they are mostly given a solid screen time to open and develop. I reaaly think Araki made a mistake, when he went to "villain of the week" scheme. And larger amount of heroes in later parts also cost in there development. And yeah, i agree, kars is a villain, but he is really a tragic character. I really felt sorry for him, when i realised, that he witnessed death of his nation and, during the manga events, death if his closest friends and comrada. The only thing i really wish to happen is a solid dialogue between him and dio, but it is just a fanservices.
I liked part 2 way more than all the other parts for many reasons, and one of them is the villains. They didn’t just “appear,” they had good backstories. Also I liked Hamon battles more than stand battles because he had to actually be smart with hamon and not get random powers to be plot armor all the time. Also Joseph is just the coolest character
Just imagine if Kars hadn't killed all the pillar men, maybe we would have pillar men and women walking around cities and working at offices Just imagine that
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Kars was a pretty chill dude before he killed everyone
Shadowcomet kars was pretty chill before he let his hair out.
@@kakibackup2koujo612 the red stone of aija gave him multiplied hotness of the sun
He was also chill after all that, really chill
yes
Don't forget he even saved a dog
"The Sun is a Deadly Laser"
*Puts on Stone Mask*
"Not any more there's a blanket"
@Star Platinum "No don't"
Yes, the Sun is a Deadly Laser, but what if I told you my Laser is a Deadly Sun?
oh my god
The mask creates a deadly vampire
I wonder if the stand from part 3, "Sun" has the same effect on pillar men.
"Kars is the last surviving member of the race he tried to save..." Except Santana... but nobody cares about Santana.
Santana was the Chekov's Gun that was never fired....
Great point! Santana/Santoviento should make a return in Jojolion or a light novel (or maybe JoJo 9?) and take on stand users and Spin users AND hamon users . . . . .
@@chadsknnr he will actually develop a stand wich make him resist to the sun And he can now change the materiel his body is made off
@@aymanfen1991 then he'll get defeated by Joseph......again
Santana has the coolest tatoo
I just realized, Esidisi was Kars's own JoBro
Mario Almanza O shit ur right
Isnt it AC/DC
@Chaboii Leopold *looks at filthy acts for a reasonable price vs D4C*
If that is considered evil, then let me be evil.
@@TheBaldingPied so let me
@@TheBaldingPied limp bizkit
Kars protected a doggo, instantly makes him the nicest villain
yes- I have saved a doggo
Wamuu decided not to burst Ceasar's bubble and saved Joseph from a surprise attack.
Mega Man X Powered Up yeah but Kars saves a doggo
@@Amz_94 By killing 2 people. Mathematically speaking, he took 2 lives to save one, which still puts him in the negative.
@@MegaManXPoweredUp dogs are worth 100 people
Actually, they were buried with gemstones because they knew humans are attracted to gems, and they used them to trap and consume people. Remember Caesar's dad?
No I dont remember ceasers dad
@@Orizln hot damn
Oh...
It hit me harder than the stone that killed Caesar.
Bruhhhhh
CAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSAAAAAAARRRRRRRR'S DAAAAAAAAAD!!!!
The Sun is a Deadly Laser
meme not anymore there's a RED STONE OF AJA
Taste HAMOOOOOON~
Coolcleverstone you could make a religion out of this
some name Damn right you can
hire a samurai
Kars did nothing wrong. He was just trying to make the pillar man great again
Robert Speedwagon Donald Kars
Robert Speedwagon The pillar just became 10feet taller
pat olly Fuck Griffith. I will give him props for cucking the Black Swordsman cause that takes a whole lotta balls, but fuck him.
And save a puppy
Robert Speedwagon
HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE SPEEDWAGON AFRAID AGAIN
The beauty of Kars is actually the beauty of Kars.
the beauty of Kars is beauty of Kars--- indeed I am beautiful :)
@Anon I-- ... *Lord Kars left the chat*
hmmm yes
the floor here is made out of floor
Everyone I’m Jojo’s part 2 is really hot
U want to run my fingers through kars' hair💜💜
best thing about kars? when he lifts his little skirt thing while posing.
it's called a loincloth you uncultured swine.
Or maybe some kind of mouse entered his loincloth and accidentally bit his dick.
i diagnose you with the Big Gay
hehe- aye..
@@vladaling3527 ayayayay
I always feel that his wings give the impression of him being the Jojo Universe's version of Icarus: trying to achieve a significant leap but in the end failing.
Creator of jjba:we need a villain
Random guy:how about three ancient male strippers but one is smart
*four ancient males.
@@Sara3346 *four ancient male strippers but one is smart and other is useless
Weren't all the Pillar men smart?
3 strippers 1 smart, the 4th one is a wetod
@@tehelda1606 what is a wetod?
I always felt like Kars had a lot of untaped potential but lacked developement, ironically.
@@franfe146 what about Kira?
Cool#Star# B. My stand is the only hand he’s never gonna get
@@katieshadowsong4665 hahahaha true XD
Untaped potential?
Agreed,Araki just errased Kars from the story
when wamu died. Kars's personality is like WAM gone
He had just lost his only remaining member of his species can't blame the guy for going ape shit
MR. LAST STAND Santana
The Starlight Child I was talking about how last stand talks about kars last friends but there’s still Santana
The Starlight Child poor Kars
He's like his favorite child and Kars respects Wamuu a lot, he even apologized for stepping into his shadow
A great analysis. However, Joseph isn't a hypocrite. Kars broke the law that the battle would be a 1v1 by placing a vampire in the arena against Lisa Lisa. Sure, Lisa Lisa was so good of a hamon master that the vampire posed no threat to her, but it still imbalanced the scales. While Joseph does use trickery, and deceives and annoys his opponents, it's still part of the battle. His battle. Not someone else's.
although i agree with you that that is Joseph's style of combat, the arena's were considered a very straight forward place back in the day, wham kept shaming Josephs for his behavior and urging him to fight as intended, the point is Joseph's been doing this since the very beginning, however Kars did it once, and yet he was the one called out for it. he wasn't desperate, he was angry after all his life long work to save his species is all coming down in flames because of a cocky 19 year old giant trickster, in my opinion thats why he "stooped" to his level i guess and acted recklessly in the end. overall, i appreciate the analysis i thought it was great ^^.
Sifer krypt I always though it was because he attacked her from the back. I never remembered Joseph doing that. Yet I don't remember Battle Tendency a lot since I read the manga and watched the anime years ago.
You're not wrong, he did attack from behind, he used a double as a scape goat then attacked, but is that any differant from josephs strategy's? He relies on deception and even used his friends as distraction once. The point is up until that point kars was straight forward himself, he was rational and calm, but after loosing everyone he just let loose i guess, i wont call it grief, but whatever it was it made him reckless and shortsighted which led to his never ending trip into the void
Sifer krypt Well, you know how it goes. Joseph is an hypocrite, Jotaro is in the spectrum, Josuke is a greedy shitter that burns your house down, Jolyne is worst jojo, Johnny is was the right son to take and Gappy makes me happy. Everyone has their flaws and that's how Araki intended I guess. Except for Jonathan he was to pure for this world. *edit* And Giorno wants to be a ganstar that sells drugs to the kids.
Yup..coudn't have said it better, at the end of the day, there is no absolute good or evil, they are human, but the point is they try, each in their own way..except for giorno..because fuck that gangstar shit.
"Pillar Men weakness is in their brain. If you destroy it, the Pillar Man dies"
I'm pretty sure this works for basically everything and anyone...
Except that the Pillar Men can still live if only the brain is intact. See Esidisi. His body was destroyed, but the brain survived.
“he tore out his lungs. lungs are essential for hamon users.”-joseph joestar
Most animals need blood from the heart to go to their brains. The blood is oxygenated by air from the lungs. So, I'm pretty sure not everyone can survive with just a brain
"The boss is weak, if you hit it a few dozen times in the glowing spot that opens occasionally it'll die."
"But what if you hit it anywhere else?"
"Oh? That does fuck all."
Weakness my fucking ass
@@horaciosi Shit I'm pretty sure they live despite the brain being destroyed considered the first Pillar man introduced was still in attack mode when he was little more than a pile of rocks.
10:01 Technically Santana is still alive at the Speedwagon Foundation.
Not in the new universe he isn't. Which sucks because I was really hoping for Santana main JoJo
@Chris Martin it depends what new universe hes talking about.
In the made in heaven one hes alive, but we dont know about the steel ball run universe. They are not the same.
Tbh is doesn't effect living things unless they are caught in something like fire or a plan crash, made in heaven that is and Santana could be alive.
@@joaoviktor992 i think it would be reasonable to assume that joseph killed santana off screen after the events of battle tendency in the main universe.
for all we know the pillar men could still be stoned in the SBR universe, waiting to be awakened.
Anno Domination Santana is very much alive in the new MiH universe. MiH only didn’t transport people if they were already dead, Santana never died so he should be in the MiH, but since people who put in different locations compared to where they were pre-universe shift, he might not be at the speedwagon foundation anymore.
JoJo wasn't a hypocrite.
Trickery and deception are not always equally damnable.
JoJo didn't break a single rule when they were established. Kars did.
thank you to quote joseph "show me where in the rulebook it says I can't do that all you told me was to lose is to die"
*I have been exposed...*
@@vladaling3527 Oh hi Kars, enjoying space?
@@trazyntheinfinitearchivist7866 listen here you little shit....
Lord Kars Pure gold.
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Not anymore there is a RED STONE OF AJA
Is that the actual origin of that meme?
Not anymore theres a blanket ^_^
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Kars gets too much hate. I'll admit he doesn't leave the most lasting impression compared to most others, but he's not my least favourite JoJo villain. Gonna show this to anyone who says Kars is shit.
Wiziliz Kars is shit
Kars isn't a shit villain, but when compared to the other main JoJo villains he is the worst and most generic in character.
michael dorsey I think that was because Battle Tendency focused more on other stuff and also Araki made the weird choice of basically having three villains to share the spotlight.
I think that after that he learned that it was better to have just a main villain (although Stardust Crusaders formula of grunt of the week wasn't really exciting, everything felt like in the end Jotaro would beat the stand user and the group would continue).
@@michaeldorsey9231 saying Kars is generic is just, well, a dumb thing to say.
Dio on the other hand is pretty generic, there's nothing to him other than "I wanna have power" he has no good backstory, no real personality, he's just built solely around "I wanna have power" whereas Kars actually changed as the series went on, at the start he seemed more toned down, calm if you will. Then during the first time we see him in action (Jojo and Stroheim Vs Kars) we realize that he is much more, then even later after he has the super aja his personality develops once again. We even learn his motivation through a tragic backstory, his people turned against him when he was trying to better them. How can you say that that is generic and not think the same of Dio?
@@caesarin0 That's a fair argument to make. I think Dio is considered a better villain than Kars because he's given more time as an antagonist, whereas Kars is relegated to one part and hardly has any relevance afterwards.
Likely the most influential character in jojo, without him: no stone mask= no DIO= no part 3, over half of part one is gone, no giorno, etc
Well, without Karz, we would get to see the fabulous yet ordinary adventure of the Joestar bloodline, ancient family of Victorian noblesse, on their road to slowly, but surely become one of the greatest philanthropist fortune on earth.
No kars=no mask
No mask=no vampire Dio
No vampire Dio=Dio gets arrested
Dio gets arrested=Jonathan wins
Again no Kars=no part 2
Dio in jail=no part 3
Dio not getting a chance to negotiate with Diavolo=no stands
No stands=no part 4
No stands again=only hamon
Dio not stealing JoJo's body=no Giorno
no Giorno=no part 5
Dio in Jail again=no disciple like Pucci
No Pucci=no part 6
No Pucci and part 6=no time/universe reset
No time/universe reset=no alternate universe
No alternate universe=no part 7 and 8
Conclusion:no Kars=JJBA is just about two brothers fighting
@@Johsther Part 7 and Part 8 will still happen. Because SO ocean has nothing to do with the steel ball run universe. The universe we see at the end of stone ocean is ireneverse where part 1-5 still happen. Only part 6 didnt happen because pucci never existed in this universe due emporio killing pucci before the universe got reset.
@@abdullaismail4432 all part 1 to 6 have nothing to do with part 7 and 8 universe . Part 1 to 6 didn't happen in part 7 and 8 ; not same universe ; part 7 and 8 Its true timeline.
@@mazeluchi9508 thats just what i said
The Pillar Men were the real protagonists of part 2
True
Kars is best JoJo.
@@kingcrimson4701 no speedwagon best jojo
@@grahamcrackers2478 a man of culture
@@grahamcrackers2478 oh hi Jonathan
Listen, just one look at Kars and you'll very quickly understand his beauty.
Man, you've made a bunch of character analyses lately
*please make more*
I like Kars better than Dio to be honest, because he has a legitimate goal. Dio just gets to be more important in the story despite being an incredibly simplified villain in pretty much all but part 6.
Also, Kars saves a puppy while Dio kills at LEAST one dog, so he's got that on him.
Honestly, I'm really sad for Kars by the end of part 2, in part because I don't understand why Lisa Lisa had and could not possibly give up the Super Aja. It all seemed like a really strange and avoidable fight.
About the "kingly" look of Kars, as you say... I'm not sure. In my opinion, his original appearance appears subdued and rational, even sort of modest, while when he lets his hair out, he looks more glorious and bombastic, which also suits the way he acts at these times.
Master Markus Mainly because letting him live means the potential destruction of the world
Dio directly kills one dog, he indirectly kills an infant, and at least three more dogs.
My thoughts on him are the same as yours. He deserves to be more popular than Dio.
I agree with you on Kars being a better villain than Dio (Dio can go f himself), but I don't agree with you on the thought of just giving Kars the Super Aja to just avoid a fight. Yes, Kars was the last of his species, but who is to say it's better to give someone what they want just because the last of their friends died? It's kinda like trying to decide if you want to give someone a weapin they will probably kill lots of people with in the hope that they are peaceful with it or trying to limit overall casualties by keeping it away from them. Like here's that atomic bomb you have been trying to get from us for a few months now don't detonate it in a major city....
Master Markus It’s worth noting that Kars’ masks cause him to be ever more aggressive. The other Pillar Men attacked him because he endangered the balance they’d achieved with the world; he’d developed an appetite that would reveal the Pillar Men and, presumably, “overfish” everything on the surface. It is in no way a far stretch to presume that his perfect form would result in him eventually consuming all life on Earth to fulfill his insatiable appetite.
It was scientifically impossible for Kars to drift out into space. In the anime, he tried to use air to push him forward, which failed and froze him but would've worked nonetheless. Due to Newton's first law, That attempt would've left him drifting towards Earth because of a lack of friction in outer space. Slow as it would be, he would've made it back. Also, the Earth's gravitational pull is much too strong for him to just float off into the distance. Rather than that, he would've simply revolved around the earth, such as a satellite.
He reached escape velocity though.
Pfft next you’ll tell me gay fabulous vampires and invisible spirits that fight people ARE ALSO SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
The air worked for a few moments before freezing over. So it probably altered his momentum from way to much to a little bit less too much and he still got rekt.
honestly kars woulda probably evaporated while going back in
@@carlhobeychi2155 probably not, his durability is too strong for something like that
Whamuu is still my favorite antagonist of the series. He's the only one I was sad to see go
Tusk Act IV same here bro...same here....i mean....who cares about Caesar ?
@@heiljandal1329 lol
believe me I was more sad than you
@@heiljandal1329 Joseph and Lisa Lisa warned him that it wasn't safe. That they should wait which lead him to go on his own and lose his life in the process... Tragic but also pretty reckless, Joseph has a better intuition.
Aww that is so sweet!
But fear not my child, for I am here.
_"He is the only remaining member of the race he tried to save"_
*Distant Santana noises intensify*
Joseph : "Nigerundayo !!!"
Wammu : "Lord Kars please don't look at it...."
-Trickery Kars Appears
Kars : "Too late, I've seen everything"
-
So Kars learned that from Joseph
Bad Influence
Somehow I can relate to this
People saying Joseph is a hypocrite are missing the point. Joseph bluffs, schemes, and tricks people, but he never cheats.
He used his overwhelming size and strength and the fact the cops don't know about Hamon to save Smokey. He uses the environment and mind games against the racist while he, Smokey, and Granny Erina are all eating. He uses the environment and reading his opponent to beat Caesar. He uses his street smarts and newfound knowledge of Hamon to beat the fights against ACDC. He uses almost everything I've listed as well as Wham's own tricks against him in the coliseum fight.
Where does Joseph stab his opponent in the back or hell, even really lie? Yeah, there's trickery, but if he says something is gonna happen, it will. That's even mirrored in his "Tsugi ni omae wa", which always come true. He's never said "oh yeah, do this and you may live" and then decides "Nah, change my mind." The closest thing to that is when he tries to bluff ACDC out of Suzie Q.
TL;DR: people who call young Joseph a hypocrite don't pay attention to the character
"but he never cheats" well, except for that ONE time...
Never cheats? Then why do we have part 4?
@@MALICEM12 That felt out of character tbh. Like it was needed for a part 4
@@yandrak4621 I agree
Excepted when he cheated against D’arby, except when he cheated on Suzie Q
See, this is why I like Kars! Worst Jojo villain my ass
Has anyone actually said that? And even then, if he was “the worst” that’s saying little because almost all the villains are extremely great
Who would win?
a) A literal god
or
b) 1 volcano boi
gotta Hand it to the Volcano Boi
God, God can't die...
And one smarty boi
You for got the za hando boi
Technically Kars won against the volcano. It was the extra debris being thrown at him by Joeseph and the cold vacuum of space that did him in.
Kars tried to evolve beyond all life on Earth, and in so doing, he was rejected by the very Earth itself and shot into space.
@EccentricSageNot a bad way of viewing him. Makes his name pretty appropriate as aside from standard rock references, cars are one of the foremost and life changing developments of modern humans. ACDC might be a more appropriate name for him given it refers right back to electricity itself though. Hmm, Wammu kind of breaks that trend with a name that has nothing to do with human development though. Should have called him Metallica or something.
Kars became above all life. Then was sent above all life
If you look at him and don’t think he’s beautiful you have a problem
I just now realized that Joseph is an ass for calling Cars out for tricks. Jesus, my eyes have opened. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a president to Spin and a Corpse to look for.
bait4sale9001 let's add that to the many other reasons why Joseph is second-worst jojo.
bait4sale9001 But Joseph uses tricks to fight and give him the advantage, Kars however uses tricks to win, Kars use tricks that do not stick to the rules like when he had vampires fight Lisa Lisa when he promised a one v one while Joseph will use tricks, his tricks keep to the rules and only uses to to help him get the advantage.
Grimrai Play Hey, before the race even starts, let me put dirt at Wamuu's wheels so he'll be stuck, then let me kick that dirt into his face, just for shits!
Plus, had Caesar lived, Joseph would've most definitely had him help from the sidelines, like sending a bubble out to loosen a chariot wheel, or to distract/ injure Wamuu or Cars
bait4sale9001 Young Joseph deserved a bitchslap
bait4sale9001 Again, there was nothing in the rules to say he could not do that and you think pretty lowly of Caesar, we all know that Caesar would never do that because of his honour.
“Beauty of Kars?” I mean I ain’t gay but Ultimate Kars is actually sexy as hell.
Joseph was in kars accidents
oHmyGod that's an illegal pun
@@vladaling3527 And an unoriginal one
It doesn't make Joseph a hypocrite for calling out Kars's cheating and dishonoring the duel that he agreed to. Although, it was fantastic that he did cheat. Kars broke the God Complex that Joseph had over them this whole time. The God Complex was at it's weakest in Kars while being at its strongest with Wamu, leaving Eisidisi swinging either way.
Wait. All of those similarities between Baoh and Cars were unintentional and subconscious?
Damn Araki.
The thing is, Josuke's grandma did get hit by the same Cars twice in the same day. You hear that? That's the sound of your mind being blown up
She got in a kars accident
@@korismemedump6640 lol
What do you mean?
IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING BEST GUY EVER REFFERENCE?!
UndecimeBeatitudo this video isn't about Gyro. So no,it isn't.
@Maximilianmus Trooper I agree, Speedwagon is best girl.
Wait couldn't the UV lights kill DIO I mean seriously
holy heck they could've
The speedwagon foundation forgot, Joseph forgot, and Araki forgot.
I mean they could have but in between the time crunch and them needing to keep contact with anyone at a minimum (including the speedweed foundation) they didnt have the time or oppertunity to request or gain access to them. Also theres a good chance even if they did that those UV lights wouldnt have made it to Dio (hol horse shooting them for example)
I thought of the same thing
helloooo they could have brought uv flashlights ez
I don't think Joseph is a hypocrite. Joseph would never resort to using someone else as a decoy. While tricks are permitted, using someone else violates their agreement of one on one. They never laid out any other ground rules except one on one match. Anything goes except relying on someone else. It would be like Joseph tag teaming Lisa-Lisa in and having her kill Wamuu while he's distracted.
MetroidJunkie Joseph used that women as a decoy when he was fighting straight pants and got her injured
@@GM-ew4fv
But didn't Joseph want to bluff him out into thinking he didn't care to trick him into letting her go and got pissed when he hurt her only after Straight Pants toke her hostage out of Joseph's control
dude. Jojo is so deep when you just give it a little bit of time... Like... It's not only funny jokes and awful memes. It's really deep and gives me excistential crisis every now and again...(Thanks DIO... For giving me reasons to think if anything is worth it in the end....)
He was so beautiful he had to be preserved in a form of a statue.
Ok I have to disagree with you when Kars obtained perfection his first act was brutally killing a squirrel so he no longer cared for any other life form, and Joseph isn't a hypocrite because Kars didn't use trickery that was flat out cheating & that was after wamuu's death a close friend of Kars who strived on being honorable and who Joseph showed mercy and respect towards (also wamuu killed a group of vampires who tried to kill Joseph right after the match which was the same thing Kars did) so doing that after his death was lowdown and dishonorable
christopher auzenne he created the squirrel
@@ajohnson82454 yeah remember he made a squirrel from his hand which then attacked another squirrel and then the people with jojo
Let's be real, Esidisi was Kars's husband
*impossible*
* Dio runs in * - "BUT IT WAS ME--- DIO"
They even had a son
Master Entity not even Kars cares about him. Kars refers to him as a “guard dog”
Fucking joseph ruined their happy family
Dude killed his race, adopted 2 children and runaway with his lover. I admire their love. And then the joestar show up.
He just wanted to become a villain number 1
Kars should go to Perfect University
PU
Naj Adamu And I love that you got that.
I already did...
He was there...
Good old...PragerU
Kars: "I am the ultimate life form"
Shadow: "hold my inhibitor Rings"
LMFAOOOOOOOO as a Sonic and Jojo fan there NEEDS to be some sort of crossover between these two
@@sakuvixen to prove which one is the ultimate life form
Kars Motivation: Make pillar men great (again) :D
True...
@@wamuu1504omg you’re here hi wamuu
If he can use esidisi's blood boiling, he'd easily be able to escape the icy drift of space and return to earth
Unfortunately he stopped thinking.
with an IQ of 400 it certainly should have crossed his mind before it got that bad
StalkerZHS plus that's not how space works, It'd actually take three hours for a warm blooded human to die of hypothermia in a vacuum.
Hi There He's immortal
@@hithere5553 he isn't a human
Dio: NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THREATENING THEME
Pillarmen: Haha ayayayayaya go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
“...never to return again”
Breaking news: Earth has a temporary mini-moon about the size of a car
Kars: Nooo you can't defeat me im the perfect life form
Joseph: Haha space goes "(Complete silence)"
I agree, but one big problem. Joseph wasn't a hypocrite. He used deception and trickery, but never broke a rule. For people that are bringing up the wamuu fight, he gave a chance to clear the rocks from underneath, and wamuu denied. He never broke rules, he used loopholes and deception.
Kars on the other hand, broke the rules. He said it would be a fair 1 on 1 fight, but he lied and used a double to kill lisa lisa. Kars is a cheat, Joseph is a trickster.
Joseph ain’t a hypocrite he outsmarts his opponents with tricks during the battle say what you want about wamuu vs Jospeh but it was entirely fair and Joseph ended up outsmarted wamuu Kars sent a vampire in his place and then destroyed Lisa Lisa before a fight even begins
At least that’s what I think lul
Unpopular opinion: Kars deserves far more respect from community, and I wish more videos like this were made about him.
The tribe merely feared the ambition and power of kars, they were primitive while kars was far from that. He merely needed to get things in much more ethical methods which he would've done in time.
Kar's defeat theme is Fly Me To The Moon and no one can change my mind
I can’t hate someone who saves the life of a dog and make sure to not step on flowers.
Love my Lord
Press F for Wamuu. He was on the other side of barricade but he was a man of honor.
And F for dem thicc vampire waifus lost in the procces.
F for Wamuu
"never to return again"
tell that to my main man Jorge Joestar
You didn't even *mention* Shimoneta at the end of the video. Reported.
Bravo! A lot of times I have left annoyed by everyone hatred of Kars for attacking Lisa LIsa from behind.... when is not much different that what joseph did all the time, I really happy you pointed it out.
I, Quetzalcoatl, shall defend Kars. Here are 7 reasons that Kars is justified in his actions:
1. Kars is a guardian of Nature. He protects flora and fauna which he knows are meant to be in an area, killing off invasive species (cough cough you guys cough cough)
2. 8 billion is a bit of a stretch for ANY species, so the pillar species is the one natural predator to man. Overpopulation is real, and can seriously trip a species up.
3. Araki uses the killing of dogs in the series itself to show that a character is corrupt or not in their right mind. Not only did Kars spare a dog, he saved one.
4. Kars "cheating" was in response to Joseph doing the same.
5. As I stated earlier, humans are overpopulated and do not have any natural predators. Kars did not respect you humans for that simple reason. Would you respect a mosquito if there were billions of them worldwide and they were reproducing quicker than you are?
6. Humans instantly attempt to kill anything that seems mildly powerful and hasn't been seen in a while. I can't count how many nukes I have taken for being a "monster".
7. Then we have the infamous moment when he turns his hand into a squirrel. Who did he kill via the squirrel? A bunch of nazis. You see where this is going?
Leave a like if you agree with what I am telling you.
one year late but I agree
oh my god, this is the first video I've ever seen that you've made and i can tell you have an Evangelion kink
understandable
Kars did genuinely want to help his people. He's curious, like Humans are and at first I doubt he wanted to become a super being, just find a way to walk in the sun. The problem was that his creation was harming the environment, but Kars didn't see any wrong with this "at first".
If you take a closer look, Kars's hatred for machines, saving a dog's life and taking many complicated steps to not land on a flower shows that he actually may have felt some guilt over his mission and the fact that it was his harm to the environment that lead to his race trying to kill him and him needing to slaughter them.
Essentially if Kars stayed on earth until stands were introduced he could get any stand and make it better
Joseph had a stand and Kars didn't get it
1:35 The plier men: hey, can we come out yet?
Narrator: *NO.*
The plier men: but why?
Narrator: *THE SUN IS A DEADLY LAZER.*
yes--- *it is a deadly laser*
Plier men.
"Have you ever wanna be great at something?"
_I wanna be the very best that no one ever was~_
This makes Kars actually the nicest jojo villan
The rule for all life forms is to adopt to their surrounding condition .kars breaks that limitation.
"Because Joseph is a FOCKING HYPOCRITE"
I laughed way more then I should've at dis >.>
I’d unironically love a light novel about Kara landing on an alien planet, kind of like how Kira became a spirit detective after he died. Let Kars be the ultimate life form he always wanted to be, but shift his focus slightly. Maybe he takes up the role as a guardian for a primitive alien race, or asserts himself as a god and forces aliens to fight him in order to test his limits. Idk, something quirky like that.
So Infinite Sun Hamon? I guess Part 2 was the best way to send off Hamon and get to stands.
Just like the Infinite Spin? Its send off was being used on Funny Valentine a VERY powerful enemy.
The squirrel hand scene had me laughing so hard the first time I saw it.
You should do The beuty of Wham
I agree!
The Real Beauty of Kars
[Insert picture of Kars posing in the sunlight]
Kars spent an eternity thinking "How did Joseph know his hand would fly up and hit me perfectly to distract me and let the rocks hit me?"
When You’re so gamer,you literally need a magical Sunlight stone just to pierce your brain.
I hope he comes back or even gets a stand, his abilities could somehow make it able to move in space
Bkr C go read the Jorge Joestar novel
The world ultimate
Made in heaven ultimate
Nuff said
Oh, my Lord will come back...
Unfortunately that won't happen :D
Not sure if he'll even need a Stand, but it still would've been awesome.
@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 I wanna see him land on the an alien planet loll
Do you think that if his people did not turn on him there would have been a race of "modern day" (circa 1940s-50s Battle tendency arc) pillar men that were good? aka Kars, ACDC, etc?
I died when he called out Joseph being a hypocrite
What I love most about Kars
is how he doesn't let stupid things get in the way of his goal and truly just wants the results
DUDEEEE I WISH I WASN'T LATE BUT
I'd like to think that since Kars became the Ultimate Lifeform, he lost all instincts of survival, hence he was caught SO OFF GUARD in the fight. MY GUY JUST WANTED TO SLAP JOSEPH NO MATTER THE COSTS. Smh. If only he cared about himself a bit 😢
Joseph was having a stand, that is just to show you how hard it's to fight a stand user as a non stand user lol
This is so sad. Hopefully Kars returns back to earth, but doesn't go batshit insane and kill everyone.
He will return...
and as always..
buy shimoneta
I think Battle Tendency is so good, because, unlike further parts, it has no fillers and very few protagonosts and antagonists and thus they are mostly given a solid screen time to open and develop. I reaaly think Araki made a mistake, when he went to "villain of the week" scheme. And larger amount of heroes in later parts also cost in there development.
And yeah, i agree, kars is a villain, but he is really a tragic character. I really felt sorry for him, when i realised, that he witnessed death of his nation and, during the manga events, death if his closest friends and comrada. The only thing i really wish to happen is a solid dialogue between him and dio, but it is just a fanservices.
My favorite Pillar Man, and generally, favorite JoFoe in the whole series.
My favorite Lifeform
Honestly, he's the one JoFoe I genuinely have sympathy for, mad scientist though he is...
The beauty of Kars his hair
Honestly, I miss Kars. I wish he could come back somehow :"|
He will come back...
Of all the jojo villains ironically I'm inspired the most to the one that isn't human.. KARS
Imagine if Astronauts find the frozen Kars and return him to earth
I liked part 2 way more than all the other parts for many reasons, and one of them is the villains. They didn’t just “appear,” they had good backstories. Also I liked Hamon battles more than stand battles because he had to actually be smart with hamon and not get random powers to be plot armor all the time. Also Joseph is just the coolest character
oh my god kars is my new favorite jojo villain
Just imagine if Kars hadn't killed all the pillar men, maybe we would have pillar men and women walking around cities and working at offices
Just imagine that
pillar women wife
If Kars has the properties of all lifeforms on earth, he probably also got a Stand.
I mean eventually he would have gotten one