This raid just emphasized Elidibus was such a damn workaholic that it literally took an Ancient who had partially ascended to godhood, her alien rock capable of amplifying emotions and altering reality, and literal death just to get him to do something other than his job
I like to think the reason Azem made Elidibus investigate Pandaemonium in their stead is because they knew that having him go undercover and investigate an SCP containment breach, a mission which is more in the Traveler's lane than in the Emissary's, is the closest thing to a vacation that he would ever willingly agree to.
@IPWNEDSASUKEANDKIRA I think it might be an altered fusion of both, because there are clear snippets from To The Edge interspersed with Amaurot's theme.
@@lootship5 or not necessarily Ascians, more like the Ancients, but point understood. The Ascian theme is this: ua-cam.com/video/jd1r3n4HKOo/v-deo.html
Finally, a proper bout with Elidibus. No masks, no mistaken identity, the truest form of the Emissary. And this song the best companion to such a duel.
@@ChazzWingman It was never a secret. Before the raid series even began you could tell it has him due to his voice during the stinger at the end of 6.0.
@@carter2electricbogaloo652 Not as hard to do as you may think. Base the appearance off the WoL appearance, and do the same "mostly silent, plenty of nods, maybe an occasional dialogue choice" thing they've already been doing for 10 years.
@@Xalimur95 Those players deserve no better. Pick a proper race next time. Nah, but seriously - there could likely still be some analogues they could pull, or at least get some color matching in there.
He finally got to put his duty aside and do what he wanted, and it's shown by the emphasis on the daylight shining through. The rain has ceased, and rather than continue to work, he chooses to enjoy the beautiful day
@@Wiwii1999 To consider though - this Themis is the soul plucked from the Aetherial sea. This is the actual Elidibus that we fought at Crystal Tower - and even though he was reconstructed by Athena with the memories of our time together in Pandaemonium together, the last cutscene shows that yeah, he really is, and remembers, being the Elidibus that we kill in Crystal Tower. I really like what Apex said - this is our first chance to cross swords with Themis as a friend, and he's just loving every second of it.
@@Wiwii1999 It is revealed in the final cutscenes (I think) of the raid with Themis that he was created not only with the memories from Pandaemonium, but also from his actual soul that Athena found in the Aetherial Sea. That, and he hints at remembering more than he lets on in our last conversation with him. All that is to say, he's probably the actual Elidibus/Themis that we've been interacting with and, although fragmented, he has all his original memories.
@@xsirenflyx i do remember him saying he has free will but Athena's magicks has elevated his 'desire' especially one where he wonders how he fares against us (in battle) its like he was forcefully hired to do part time security. but he can say anything he wants about his boss.
The fact that Themis reveals in the end that he has some of the memories of the soul he was created from and still wanted this last clash as rivals, not bitter enemies, and then finally calls us his friend I think is not just a great ending to Pandaemonium, but to the ShB/EW arc and to the story of the Ascians as a whole. Such a well told story and Pandaemonium is such a good epilogue to it.
Wait so what you're saying is that Themsis had all (if not most) of the memories of modern day Elidibus. Effectively meaning Elidibus assumed the form of his young self?
@@angel.feathers Not all of them, he admits his memory of anything outside of Pandaemonium is a little hazy. But there's definitely more to him than the other shades.
@@angel.feathers In the 6.4 parts of Pandaemonium in the aetherial sea, yes, he was made of modern day Elidibus' soul. He says that the memories and fuzzy and fleeting but he has them in the final cutscene with VA.
This was technically before the Final Days, whereas Emet's vision was built after thousands of years of agony and desolation. Though, both of them are quite fitting to represent the Ancients' background as a whole. Like day and night. Light and dark.
@@seasonaldates It... isn't though. We're informed in the aftermath that this is actually Elidibus's soul. Not just a collection of memories given form, like Erichtonius and Lahabrea is. This Elidibus is the very same Elidibus that sent us off to Elpis in the first place. The one we fought in the Crystal Tower. Which also, I guess, implies that Venat's soul is also out there somewhere. Elidibus did spend his entire being to do this, after all.
@@SeralyneYT I believe the idea is that their souls slowly dissipate back into the flow and lose their individuality, but its a slow and gradual process.
EXACTLY - like, even though Athena's the reason we had this, it just feels like we're having a good time with a close friend. Despite the fact that we are really truly battling one another, it's like that anime trope of fighting friends XD
@@UltimaCheesecakeit's also what he wanted, it's the desire Athena exploited in him. And if we know anything about Elidibus it's that he always put his duty above his own wants. So in a way, he finally gets to put his role aside - notice how in the title it's not "Elidibus," but "Ephemeral Justice: Themis."
He still remembers his time as Elidibus due to how Athena made him so this Themis is "different" and the "same" as the one we saw in Elips's Pandaemonium. I also find it nice how they finally finished off Elidibus's story and technically Lahabrea's story with these raids. Since they did finish off Hythlodaeus and Emet-Selch's story in 6.0.
Also because it is confirmed this is in fact the actual soul of 'our' Elidibus in contrast to the memory-projected images of Erichtonios and Lahabrea (Themis did get tinkered on by Athena, partially). The big difference here is that Themis in the end even admits he remembers his experiences with us, alongside those of Pandaemonium. So, in a sense, this was a really beautiful way of saying goodbye to a fan-favourite character and in the end giving him his battle alongside a peaceful rest. This tier blew me off my socks, damn.
@@Sinsiterx15 I'm still blown away that the writer managed to make Elidibus of all characters a fan favorite in a single patch. People used to complain for years on how boring he was.
The shattered reincarnation of the Fourteenth. Yeah we're 8 shards now, still "weaker" than a normal Ancient. Our original incarnation was an absolute monster.
@@Loispealz34 if that is possible, can you please explain how did we get 8 shards? Because I only know 4 (Tenzen, Ardbert (sylva mb too?), Venat as the prev Azem and Themis if we count him too). So when and how did we get the other 4 ^^" (I watch cutscenes but eng is not my native language so I don't fully understand some dialogues). Thank you in advance!
@@digitalash1603 Tenzen wasn't one of the shards. Tenzen was one of our many reincarnations. To put everything in context (because this shit is already confusing as all hell) when people die in any of the shards or on the source, their soul is sent to the lifestream of said shard / source. So when Tenzen died, his soul is sent back to the lifestream and eventually is popped back to life with no memories of his previous life, much like everyone else (which ironically makes the Dotharl's ideas of reincarnation very much correct). Shards are effectively just a reflection of the source. Everything that existed on the source was split perfectly into 13 shards and the source, and that includes the souls of every sundered being, which includes the WoL. So every reflection has its own WoL. However due to the Ascian machinations, 7 of these shards have been effectively destroyed, and rejoined with the source. So the warrior of light as we see them in ARR is effectively 7 rejoined shards worth of a full Azem. We get one more in the form of Arbert: The shard of Azem of the first that willingly fuses back with us granting us a Power boost. Cylva was just one of a few survivors of the destruction of the 13th, same for Unalakai. As for Themis, he's not THE Warrior of light, he's a Warrior of light. THE warrior of light is all of Azems Reincarnations. But almost all reflections call azem's party as "Warriors of light" which further confuses things. Hope this helps.
@@dracoastra3039I wholeheartedly believe we are going to get an “Ancients” Ultimate. Lahabrea Phase 1, Hades Phase 2, Themis Phase 3, Zodiark Phase 4, Ultimate Zodiark having absorbed the unsundered with Hydaelyn as an Ally Phase 5, Merged Zodiark and Hydaelyn into the Warrior of Light (Seat of Sacrifice) Finale. Reward will be glowing versions of Seat of Sacrifice weapons.
I love the title being "Fleeting Moment" in contrast to the Amaurot dungeon theme being titled "Mortal Instants". Both songs play in the same context, an ephemeral vision of Amaurot shown to you by a member of the Convocation, precipitating the fall of the Ancients' civilization. Both titles say the same thing, a passing glimpse of what was, and what you know will soon be gone. But while one is a stark, mournful reminder of how quickly life can end, how abruptly and unfairly everything can fall apart around you, the other is a joyful reminder of how wonderful life is, how beautiful and precious the time you spent together was, no matter how brief.
Also a callback to Answers "In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow In the same fleeting moment Thou must live Die And know"
I love it, this is the vision/soul that Elidibus sees of that time while the length of time Emet has seen is that everything has become grim and dark after the Final Days. The contrast is so different. The Convocation for Elidibus was a nice place, and in contrast for Emet, the place has taken a dark tone because of what happened with Venat and the 14th.
This song screams Themis’ love and care for the people around him at your face until your ears go numb. Hearing the crescendo of the Amaurot theme come back at 1:50 but filled with *hope* while the piano climbs higher and higher, contrasting every other time we’ve heard it elsewhere, is just wonderful.
This hit´s even more after I realize something... three years ago soken wrote "to the edge", what helped him fighting cancer. Now we have this one: hope, light and life
One thing I really like is that we are finally in the Amaurot but not in the Tempest one. It’s sunny outside and it’s just beautiful. The one at the Tempest is also really great, with the color tone of the Tempest you can feel how depressed Emet was. This arena gives a really different feeling. It’s probably how Amaurot originally looks like Reminds me one of Emet's dialogue from 5.0 “And then there was Amaurot... Never was a city more magnificent. From the humblest streets to the highest spires, she fairly gleamed... Not that you would remember any of this.”
Yes, that's so awesome! Although I could imagine just like Emet's Amaurot is the dark version, this one in the fight might be a little bit more sunnier than usual. Elidibus is a person dedicated to stay neutral though, so I think it's a safe assumption this was more close to the truth.
Also remember his lines when we give him the other crystals before he gets sealed in the First's Crystal Tower. "The rains have ceased. And we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it."
I cannot comprehend of how beautiful that fight was... After rather depressing sight of Pandaemonium monstrosity in p10, to this 😭No one was ready for how good the last part of this raids would be and honestly I think that I liked it more than 6.4 MSQ
Emet's Amaurot is perpetually night: silent and frozen in time on the eve of despair. In contrast, Elidibus' version is day, brimming with hope and the prospect of tomorrow, as a bright young ancient such as himself would have envisioned through his own gaze. It sort of goes along with the whole cycle of a day that the expansions have, as well as the philosophy of hope that permeates the characters, lore, and music (night always follows day, where there is despair there is also hope, etc. etc.). At least, that's how I interpret it. There are a billion billion symbolisms and themes at work in every turn, as expected of FFXIV's rich writing, and it is an absolute treat.
@@GetterRay lol ultimate doesn’t count though. Unless he physically shows up AGAIN in the confines of a story, ultimate is minstrel hocus pocus and great exaggerations
Yelling "I am the Emmisary and I will never die!" at us when he already knows full well we've fought before and the WoL killed him just goes to show that Themis has an incredible sense of humour, actually.
Also remember how he joyfully remarks:" Even Emet-Selch could do no better !" Before wiping his behinds with us in the first arcane revelation mechanic in savage. Low key roasting poor Emet like that. Themis has impeccable humor.
"When do you think people die? When they are shot through the heart by the bullet of a pistol? No. When they are ravaged by an incurable disease? No. When they drink a soup made from a poisonous mushroom!? No! It’s when *they are forgotten.* " as long as they are remembered, the ancients will never die. hence why emet's request in SHB was "Remember us."
There not all gone, though. The unsundered are, but even assuming that they hadn’t recruited new shards to replace the ones we know have died, they’re still at least 4 ascians still running amuck. Those four being Altima, Deudalaphon, Halmarut, and Pashtarot. They’re still unaccounted.
I cant help but feel that this is a farewell to Amaurot and the Ancients but the theme is hopeful underlying the message that even though the Ancient way of life is gone the people still endure to the current era in different forms. It’s sad but still has glimmers of hope. Compared to SoS which was the Ancients realizing their end was close.
@@Klonkus Eh, even if Hermes didn't fuck it up, someone would have. Ancient human society would've fallen victim to a similar malaise that took the Nibirun sooner or later.
@@jacobkern2060 Yeah, for all of the beauty of the Ancients' society, it was deeply and fundamentally flawed. It was a society of enforced and rigid conformity, that suppressed the individual in the name of the 'betterment of the star'. The fact that people were expected to die when they were done with their life's work (as determined by others) just grinds it in that while they were powerful and prosperous, they were no utopia.
Thinking how this is the third and most likely final time we fight Elidibus, it's really emotional. You've known him since ARR and then you fight him in his boss fight and then understand what he's been through. This theme is like the finale version of "To The Edge" ( Seat of Sacrifice theme ). It's a song that tells us that Themis is done with his duty and that this is his farewell not as the guy who tried to stop you and destroy all the reflections, but as a friend. It really did put a tear in my eye. Farewell, Themis.
@@GetterRay Yep. I'm certain the SHB MSQ Ultimate will be Emet-Selch and Elidibus. Probably fulfilling some condition in the former so he can save you from the seal in the latter fight.
This arena is likely the chamber the Convocation sat in, Themis' line "I am the Emissary and I will never die" and the Heart amplifies desire and wishes. The thing Themis wanted most was to be the Emissary with his friends forever
Not sure, if you look at the crest, it has Mateus on the wall. Mateus = Lahabrea. Could this mean we're fighting in Lahabrea office and each convocations have their own chamber?
It's such an inconvenient chamber. I know it's probably built for acoustics but imagine a soft spoken man like Hermes proposing something and Emet Selch immediately yelling "WHAAAT?"
The rematch I did not know I needed till it was there. Out of all the fights I had the dumbest grin on my face the entire duel. something about this fight to me said nothing of a fight for our lives. It was a clash of hearts and friends. Azem and Themis, Elidibus finally getting to see just how good we (Azem) really are, why we are herald so highly by Emit and Hythlo. Why the hero's he looked up to spoke so fondly of us. In my eyes this was not a Fight it was a lesson. A lesson to Themis that his conviction mattered, and a lesson to us that our perseverance matters. it's really a beautiful fight.
It's cool how similar this model looks to Zodiark, especially the wings Kind of like a cross between Zodiark and the Warrior of Light, fitting since this fight uses both light and dark mechanics
@skywardthebest he was gone when we fought zodiark. Fandaniel threw himself in zodiarks toilet to become the "heart" he needed to wake from his slumber.
@@NavytroyXIV Zenos must have been so angry at Elidibus for being able to fight the WoL multiple times, one time while he was possessing Zenos' body, while he himself has to cause a huge scene just to get our attention for five minutes... :D
@ObviouslyAChannel if you recall that's half why he was pissed when he saw elidibus in his body in Garlemald. He missed the "second epic showdown" though to be fair, kid had a point when he went "uh... who offed *themselves* again?"
Never did I imagine we'd get to dance with Elidibus again. And somehow it hurts even more than the first time. At least this time, he's smiling , and gods dammit so am I.
I'm sure we all know the story of how Soken wrote "To The Edge" while in the hospital with cancer This more upbeat, happier version of it is the first remix to come after his cancer went into remission I like to think of this as Soken's victory song
The part at 1:06 is straight up my favorite musical phrase in the game, going low with just the piano and vocals as a callback to the sadness of amaurot and to the edge, then reintroducing drums and string instruments to rebuild back up to the high energy chorus, the perfect sendoff since this tier is the last time we're gonna see him
Ah yes, the music for each of the new raid encounters: Banger Banger A critical direct hit in the feels that instantly gives you all the sacred vuln stacks Banger
I love how majestic and pretty it looks, so much more happier than the recreation made by Emet-Selch. At the same time it's so funny how it seems like such a royal thing to me when it was just a workplace for our previous self (the rare times when they didn't skip a meeting because they were traveling around I mean, at least that's my head canon. :D ) Hanging around there in the world unsundered was "just another Tuesday", and yet it looks so special to me, like diving into an old photograph or painting from days long gone and ending up in Narnia.
In the original timeline, Elidibus saw us as nothing but an obstacle and a pest, he couldn't possibly see an equal ground between the Ancients and the fragments that now live, weight down by his duty as the Emissary, similar to how Lahabrea and Emet-Selch felt. But after you bested him and sought his help to go back to Elpis, something changed in him, similar to Emet-Selch. While Emet-Selch saw your worth and you proved yourself to be an equal and worthy of respect, Elidibus' fragmented mind vaguely remembered your time in Pandaemonium and saw fit to help you, and the WoL even feels bad for Elidibus' sacrifice which he couldn't understand at the time. Now that Athena plucked his soul from the aetherial sea and give form, albeit a bit puppetered until you free him from it, he's finally complete and able to remember both past and present. Free of duty, he can fight you in equal measure with no masks or titles, as Themis. This isn't a test of your strength, this is a sparring match in his heart. He remembers you from days of eld and how you managed to help Erichtonios and Lahabrea back in Elpis, you're an equal, you're a colleague, a dear friend of his. So, different from the sentiment that Hades and Hythlodeus gives us, Themis is able to reconcile and accept us, and gladly smile at you and call you his friend, for not only have you helped him so many times, but despite clashes and calamities, you still hurt at casting him down. And now, free of burden and guilt, he's thankful he can go back to the aetherial sea now complete, and making ammends with you. And now, we know he has accepted this new world, because the very last scene, we see that he's about to be reborn into this world. Goodbye, Themis. I'll miss you.
@@Phoenix-cc7xb Well, at the very least, we can now have the satisfaction that that Elidibus is the same as this one, and we got to not only free them from their lunacy but from the shackles of being part of the Unsundered, and be recognized as worthy of respect, an equal and a friend.
@@acgearsandarms1343well actually the final cutscene of Pandaemonium seems to be a metaphor for Themis being reborn. Primarily as the "Emerging from the depths" scene composition is a thematic parallel to birth often used in fiction so it could very well be Elidibus' souls thoughts before he was reborn as a new person on Etheryis.
@@acgearsandarms1343we don't really have a timetable for Rebirth in FFXIV. It could just take different amounts of time depending on the soul beyond Ether. Also do recall that Themis did allegedly burn off a lot of his soul to take us to Elpis, so his soul ether could be thinner considering it's a miracle he survived to get nabbed by Athnea
People talking about the music and all, I just want to point out something different. Look at the mechanics in that fight. All of them are very similar to the original fight in spirit. The Light & Dark themes, the "cutting lines", the fact that almost all his attacks are "In and Out" patterns. Such a well done fight. One of my favorite fights in the whole game, from the start of ARR.
Honestly I'm really happy I did this fight with my Red Mage. My characters lore is after fighting Hades, she lost access to her ability to manipulate Aether. Thus to adapt, she had to go from bei,being, a red mage, the passion she's had for her whole life, to a gunbreaker and adapt to Thancreds method, only regaining it at the fight with Zenos. In that fight against Elidibus, she technically didn't get to fight him in a way true to herself qnymore then he did. Then this fight comes along and just knocks my socks off. Not only is this an incredible fight in game with an awesome track, but it feels like now both of them can fight in their truest potential. No limitations or assumed mantles or identities or roles or the likes. Now they fight as themselves.
I love how this fight theme is very piano centric Of course the original 'Neath Dark Waters is mainly a piano piece too, but this is Themis's theme. Elidibus is playing a piano on a cover of an official ffxiv album, and Soken himself dressed as a white-robed Ascian in a piano performance. Because of this, Themis being a pianist is a common headcanon, and as it originates from SE itself, his theme being mostly played on piano could be very intentional!
This remix is so powerful and it almost sounds like the Ancients' last hoorah. Like it's their last battle and they're fully enjoying it, fully coming to terms with things and just wanting to end it on a good note. //proceeds to sob ugly tears
It's pretty awesome how when we fight Themis in shb, he has weakened over the years at level 80 and at an extreme level fight at that. But we are level 90 and are fighting an ancient ancestor in his prime and more with unlimited aether at savage level and really shows how strong the convocation really are once they were ready to battle
"To the Edge" sounded like a heartbeat, a final and desperate struggle to the end against your enemy. This sounds like a dance shared between friends. I just love the genius behind Soken and his team.
All of the new music are amazing in this tier but this one is probably my favorite. Its a hopeful version of The Tempest yet it makes me very emotional. It's Elidibus before he lost his way...Also that stack attack where he shoot dark and light beam at everybody, that is a lot like Zordiak's stack attack, which make sense since he is gonna be Zordiak's heart
Doesn't just look like Zodiark's multi-stack. It is that attack. Name included. The only difference is that half the beams are light instead of all being dark
“In monochrome melodies, our tears are painted in red (bleeding to the edge). In the end, we’re nothing more than scions and sinners. In the rain, do light and darkness fade!”
@@enlongjones2394 "Yes time circles endlessly, the hands of fate trained ahead (pointing to the edge). All things change, drawn to the flame, to rise from the ashes. To begin, we first must see the end."
@@DevoutSkeptic "Rock of ages We cast the first stone. In our cages, we know not what we do. Indecision, here at the crossroads. Recognition, tomorrows come too soon."
2:21 ITS THAT PIANO AND THAT RISE, MAN. I SWEAR TO GOD. THE WHOLE SONG WAS AMAZING BUT ITS THAT RISE ITS THAT HOPEFUL RISE IN THE INSTRUMENTS GOD DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN I CANNOT NOT CRY TO THIS MASTERPIECE I FUCKING LOVE THIS GAME
It's beautiful. This is a fitting end to the story of the Ancients. I was worried but this tier has dispelled my fears. Onward, to the next tale, remembering the moments that came before.
I teared up a bit hearing to the edge again, it's such a banger. Really needed this after how dark panda had been Also, I'm really hoping to see a piano cover of this track!
a warrior of light AND dark, i believe is the truest form of elidibus, not just either or, hes the emisarry, hes supposed to walk both lines also i really really love this rendition of to the edge, and i kinda wish we still had the ticking clock
I actually liked the fact that there is no Ticking clock as in Amarout and to the edge,They emphasis a sense of urgency and immanent doom,i.e Signalling the destruction of Etheirys and your clock for the transformation into a sin eater etc. Where as in this theme,there are none of those and instead it's brimming with hope and justice.
What I do like most about this music and encounter? How hopefull it actually is, full of joy and excitement and promise of something beautiful. Exact same feelings I've got from fight with Venat when she wanted to test us for the first time. You're not fighting another foe, there is no battle to save the world, you're not forced to fight for survival on peak of the Crystal Tower. Its like... idk like you indulge your friend? Answering his challenge for a friendly duel.. and that's actually fills me with so much joy I can't even describe it 😭😭😭😭
His mechanics are all about balancing the light and dark (those circles give party a buff only after the split). Just like Elisibus's role as Emissary that's guarding the balance in Source's aether.
The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it. But I shall push forward, and remember you as you were. as you would want me. I shan’t forget. is the kinda vibe I get from this song
The real challenging and hardest part about this entire boss is the music. It's quite impossible to stay NOT emotional and fight THE Elidibus in his purest form with a straight face While the theme of Amaurot playing in its full glory and is filled with hope. Damn you Elidibus,You knew being emotional is my weakness all along...
"In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow In the same fleeting moment, thou must live, die, and know"
_No more shadow, no more light_ _Only rivals fated to fight_ _Two in slumber, one drawing nigh_ _All stand waiting, the final goodbye_ Oh the splendor, of times long gone Unrepentant, the path taken so far Evanescent, these mortal instants Know our places; one looks forward, one looks back. An angel's feather forsaken, drifts lost in time (Left drifting far far behind) Beyond this ceiling, skies shine golden, almost divine (Yet this was not meant to last) A bottle lost reclaimed by descendants unseen (Your message, now made our creed) A flame extinguished, burns anew with life undimmed (We shall remember that you lived) In crystallized memories Our smiles shine bright like the sun (Old Friends from long ago) And yet now we're little more Than flesh and blood Such is fate for those born of the clash of light and dark Yes, time marches mercilessly And we may tumble and fall (New friends have our back) We stand up, never give in, this trail that we blaze After the rain, hope ever shines on These fleeting moments we call life.
Elidibus is one of my favorite characters of all time. I was excited for this raid tier because “oh he might be voiced in some fights!” BUT TURNS OUT HE IS THE FIGHT?? I was not ready for that I was getting worked up saying goodbye for the 4th time. But then the actual end? Holy SHIT I was SOBBING. Flow was playing in the background and him saying he does remember his time after the Sundering with us too. I love that little guy so much. I’m glad that the aeatherial sea sounds comforting for him, he needs to for the first time have his soul be unshackled by millennia’s worth of responsibilities
If I had a nickel for everytime Elidibus bullied me in front of 7 other Warriors of Light, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
What an exceptional fight on every level. Great callbacks to Seat of Sacrifice, the theme being a rearrangement of Neath Dark Waters, him using quotes from other Ascians... He even uses an Ahk Morn-like ability similar to the one in Zodiark, but with light added into it. It's really, really damn good.
Seat of Sacrifice is my favorite trial in the entire game, every week i always queue to the normal fight just for the funs. When i saw the the convocation's seats and this song started playing i almost cried
Being forced to fight Themis, man… I hated her x.x But Themis, despite that, sees an optimistic point of view and wanted to duel us. This may be playing to her trap, but that didn’t stop him or his friend for a spar to remember by. I went from ARR to hating the guy on what he’s doing to ask the way to ShB I felt sorry for him. Then in EW, we really got to see the true Themis and how wonderful the person is.
This raid just emphasized Elidibus was such a damn workaholic that it literally took an Ancient who had partially ascended to godhood, her alien rock capable of amplifying emotions and altering reality, and literal death just to get him to do something other than his job
I like to think the reason Azem made Elidibus investigate Pandaemonium in their stead is because they knew that having him go undercover and investigate an SCP containment breach, a mission which is more in the Traveler's lane than in the Emissary's, is the closest thing to a vacation that he would ever willingly agree to.
"You know what we should put in between all these sick chill edgy beats?"
"What?"
"A happy sunshine version of To The Edge"
It's actually a rendition of of "Mortal Instants", the theme from Amaurot's dungeon
@IPWNEDSASUKEANDKIRA I think it might be an altered fusion of both, because there are clear snippets from To The Edge interspersed with Amaurot's theme.
and both are just remixes of "Neath Dark Waters" so i think in general its just using the general theme for the Ascians
@@lootship5 or not necessarily Ascians, more like the Ancients, but point understood. The Ascian theme is this: ua-cam.com/video/jd1r3n4HKOo/v-deo.html
After we got a happier version of close distance in the omicron tribe quest
Finally, a proper bout with Elidibus. No masks, no mistaken identity, the truest form of the Emissary. And this song the best companion to such a duel.
and I love seeing glimpses of who he was and would be. He can summon phantom warriors, and wields Zodiark’s Styx attack.
I was honestly shocked when he revealed that he was Elidibus
@@ChazzWingman It was never a secret. Before the raid series even began you could tell it has him due to his voice during the stinger at the end of 6.0.
@@ChazzWingman Yeah he said it two or more times in the raid serien ^^ no secret
@@ChazzWingman during the fight? Man you weren’t paying attention at all were you?
This guy saw bits and pieces from our entire history with him and chose to call us "friend" despite everything. This is why closure is important.
Azem forgor
~~also getting all of our Azem memories back would require a “canon” Azem~~
@@carter2electricbogaloo652 Not as hard to do as you may think. Base the appearance off the WoL appearance, and do the same "mostly silent, plenty of nods, maybe an occasional dialogue choice" thing they've already been doing for 10 years.
@@rogthepirate4593 until they get to Lalafel or Hrothgar
@@Xalimur95 Those players deserve no better. Pick a proper race next time.
Nah, but seriously - there could likely still be some analogues they could pull, or at least get some color matching in there.
He finally got to put his duty aside and do what he wanted, and it's shown by the emphasis on the daylight shining through. The rain has ceased, and rather than continue to work, he chooses to enjoy the beautiful day
to be fair, it's not raining for him yet, at this time. He's just the emissary here, not the heart of Zordiark, so yeah, no burden ;)
@@Wiwii1999 To consider though - this Themis is the soul plucked from the Aetherial sea. This is the actual Elidibus that we fought at Crystal Tower - and even though he was reconstructed by Athena with the memories of our time together in Pandaemonium together, the last cutscene shows that yeah, he really is, and remembers, being the Elidibus that we kill in Crystal Tower. I really like what Apex said - this is our first chance to cross swords with Themis as a friend, and he's just loving every second of it.
@@Wiwii1999 It is revealed in the final cutscenes (I think) of the raid with Themis that he was created not only with the memories from Pandaemonium, but also from his actual soul that Athena found in the Aetherial Sea. That, and he hints at remembering more than he lets on in our last conversation with him.
All that is to say, he's probably the actual Elidibus/Themis that we've been interacting with and, although fragmented, he has all his original memories.
Isn't he literally being controlled by someone else during this fight?
@@xsirenflyx i do remember him saying he has free will but Athena's magicks has elevated his 'desire' especially one where he wonders how he fares against us (in battle)
its like he was forcefully hired to do part time security. but he can say anything he wants about his boss.
The fact that Themis reveals in the end that he has some of the memories of the soul he was created from and still wanted this last clash as rivals, not bitter enemies, and then finally calls us his friend I think is not just a great ending to Pandaemonium, but to the ShB/EW arc and to the story of the Ascians as a whole. Such a well told story and Pandaemonium is such a good epilogue to it.
The rains have ceased and we have been graced with another beautiful day. Glad am I that you are here to see it. 😭
I'm just glad that his soul made it to the Aetherial Sea, as I thought it was lost.
Wait so what you're saying is that Themsis had all (if not most) of the memories of modern day Elidibus. Effectively meaning Elidibus assumed the form of his young self?
@@angel.feathers Not all of them, he admits his memory of anything outside of Pandaemonium is a little hazy. But there's definitely more to him than the other shades.
@@angel.feathers In the 6.4 parts of Pandaemonium in the aetherial sea, yes, he was made of modern day Elidibus' soul. He says that the memories and fuzzy and fleeting but he has them in the final cutscene with VA.
The way he sees the Convocation, bright and golden heroes, contrasted with Emet-Selch's dark and melancholic Amaurot.
Despite the melancholy, I found Phantom Amaurot soothing myself. Like coming home in the evening after a long day.
This was technically before the Final Days, whereas Emet's vision was built after thousands of years of agony and desolation.
Though, both of them are quite fitting to represent the Ancients' background as a whole. Like day and night. Light and dark.
@@seasonaldates It... isn't though. We're informed in the aftermath that this is actually Elidibus's soul. Not just a collection of memories given form, like Erichtonius and Lahabrea is. This Elidibus is the very same Elidibus that sent us off to Elpis in the first place. The one we fought in the Crystal Tower.
Which also, I guess, implies that Venat's soul is also out there somewhere. Elidibus did spend his entire being to do this, after all.
@@SeralyneYT I believe the idea is that their souls slowly dissipate back into the flow and lose their individuality, but its a slow and gradual process.
@@peregrine5327 So one way or another everyone becomes a Sin Eater. :V
This fight felt like a dance between good friends -- like the solo instance with Venat in Elpis did. I'm so happy we got this with Elidibus
EXACTLY - like, even though Athena's the reason we had this, it just feels like we're having a good time with a close friend. Despite the fact that we are really truly battling one another, it's like that anime trope of fighting friends XD
@@UltimaCheesecakeit's also what he wanted, it's the desire Athena exploited in him. And if we know anything about Elidibus it's that he always put his duty above his own wants. So in a way, he finally gets to put his role aside - notice how in the title it's not "Elidibus," but "Ephemeral Justice: Themis."
He still remembers his time as Elidibus due to how Athena made him so this Themis is "different" and the "same" as the one we saw in Elips's Pandaemonium.
I also find it nice how they finally finished off Elidibus's story and technically Lahabrea's story with these raids. Since they did finish off Hythlodaeus and Emet-Selch's story in 6.0.
I was thinking the same thing
I really like how comparably happier this rendition of the theme is, showing that this Elidibus we’re fighting hasn’t lost his way yet
Also because it is confirmed this is in fact the actual soul of 'our' Elidibus in contrast to the memory-projected images of Erichtonios and Lahabrea (Themis did get tinkered on by Athena, partially). The big difference here is that Themis in the end even admits he remembers his experiences with us, alongside those of Pandaemonium. So, in a sense, this was a really beautiful way of saying goodbye to a fan-favourite character and in the end giving him his battle alongside a peaceful rest.
This tier blew me off my socks, damn.
@@Sinsiterx15 I'm still blown away that the writer managed to make Elidibus of all characters a fan favorite in a single patch. People used to complain for years on how boring he was.
@@Sinsiterx15 I LOVED that last scene. It being voiced was especially icing on the cake.
@@NekkoBlue “how fascinating. The truths that surface on the edge of sleep…”
@@WingedValkyrie giving him a true motivation, a tragic parallel, and an absolute *banger* of a boss fight really pulled a lot of weight.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, YOUNG-OLD MAN?!
Young-oldman is actually the newest Hideo Kojima character
Oh my god, Elidibus is the oldest twink in history.
@@toothfairy7765 I disagree. He's a twunk. That soft-uwu facade is hiding major swole. And with that deep voice? He's OOZING WITH TESTOSTERONE.
@@gothfox8196 seriously. I'm always taken aback when I hear his voice while looking at his innocent face.
As many times as he wants, I adore him ;;
The Thirteenth Seat vs. The Fourteenth Seat and this time both of them know it.
The Emissary vs. The Traveler.
Final Round.
FIGHT!
Except for all those mf story skippers
The shattered reincarnation of the Fourteenth. Yeah we're 8 shards now, still "weaker" than a normal Ancient.
Our original incarnation was an absolute monster.
@@Loispealz34 if that is possible, can you please explain how did we get 8 shards? Because I only know 4 (Tenzen, Ardbert (sylva mb too?), Venat as the prev Azem and Themis if we count him too). So when and how did we get the other 4 ^^" (I watch cutscenes but eng is not my native language so I don't fully understand some dialogues). Thank you in advance!
@@digitalash1603 Tenzen wasn't one of the shards. Tenzen was one of our many reincarnations.
To put everything in context (because this shit is already confusing as all hell) when people die in any of the shards or on the source, their soul is sent to the lifestream of said shard / source. So when Tenzen died, his soul is sent back to the lifestream and eventually is popped back to life with no memories of his previous life, much like everyone else (which ironically makes the Dotharl's ideas of reincarnation very much correct).
Shards are effectively just a reflection of the source. Everything that existed on the source was split perfectly into 13 shards and the source, and that includes the souls of every sundered being, which includes the WoL.
So every reflection has its own WoL.
However due to the Ascian machinations, 7 of these shards have been effectively destroyed, and rejoined with the source. So the warrior of light as we see them in ARR is effectively 7 rejoined shards worth of a full Azem. We get one more in the form of Arbert: The shard of Azem of the first that willingly fuses back with us granting us a Power boost.
Cylva was just one of a few survivors of the destruction of the 13th, same for Unalakai.
As for Themis, he's not THE Warrior of light, he's a Warrior of light.
THE warrior of light is all of Azems Reincarnations. But almost all reflections call azem's party as "Warriors of light" which further confuses things.
Hope this helps.
What a beautiful finale for a beautiful character.
'finale'
@@taxman22700 i mean it is a finale
@@heysianpopnley5198 Wait for Pandaemonium Ultimate lmao
@@dracoastra3039I wholeheartedly believe we are going to get an “Ancients” Ultimate. Lahabrea Phase 1, Hades Phase 2, Themis Phase 3, Zodiark Phase 4, Ultimate Zodiark having absorbed the unsundered with Hydaelyn as an Ally Phase 5, Merged Zodiark and Hydaelyn into the Warrior of Light (Seat of Sacrifice) Finale. Reward will be glowing versions of Seat of Sacrifice weapons.
I'll never get tired of To The Edge
or just the amaurotian lietmotif in general
I love the title being "Fleeting Moment" in contrast to the Amaurot dungeon theme being titled "Mortal Instants". Both songs play in the same context, an ephemeral vision of Amaurot shown to you by a member of the Convocation, precipitating the fall of the Ancients' civilization. Both titles say the same thing, a passing glimpse of what was, and what you know will soon be gone. But while one is a stark, mournful reminder of how quickly life can end, how abruptly and unfairly everything can fall apart around you, the other is a joyful reminder of how wonderful life is, how beautiful and precious the time you spent together was, no matter how brief.
Also a callback to Answers
"In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow
Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow
In the same fleeting moment
Thou must live
Die
And know"
@@akrob1152 And its a callback to Endwalker- Footfalls: "Though our fleeting moment has gone, you''re not; you're not alone"
I love it, this is the vision/soul that Elidibus sees of that time while the length of time Emet has seen is that everything has become grim and dark after the Final Days. The contrast is so different. The Convocation for Elidibus was a nice place, and in contrast for Emet, the place has taken a dark tone because of what happened with Venat and the 14th.
PLEASE KEEP REARRANGING THIS SONG IDC IF IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE TO. JUST HEARING THE FIRST NOTE IS ALWAYS ENOUGH TO GET ME EMOTIONAL
I can name that leimotif in 4 notes!
Its how i feel about answers and dragonsong xD de feelz
This song screams Themis’ love and care for the people around him at your face until your ears go numb. Hearing the crescendo of the Amaurot theme come back at 1:50 but filled with *hope* while the piano climbs higher and higher, contrasting every other time we’ve heard it elsewhere, is just wonderful.
One thing I love is how his stack marker mechanic is the same as Zodiark's. Nice little callback to his eventual role.
One would imagine that attack was co-opted by Zodiark as Elidibus became His heart.
Also his tankbuster "dike" is justice, while the big double slam of Zodiark "Adikia" is injustice
i love how this one is actually aspected light and dark, in contrast to zodiarks, which is darkness only
In the Savage version, his Dark partner stacks are the same as Zodiark's tank buster
This hit´s even more after I realize something... three years ago soken wrote "to the edge", what helped him fighting cancer. Now we have this one: hope, light and life
I'm not crying...
my biggest regret is that i have but one like to give, please take it and know that you made me cry.
Dude… 😢🥲
Cringe
@@DraconyForce What’s worse, your cringe comment or your cringe opinion? Have some compassion.
One thing I really like is that we are finally in the Amaurot but not in the Tempest one. It’s sunny outside and it’s just beautiful. The one at the Tempest is also really great, with the color tone of the Tempest you can feel how depressed Emet was.
This arena gives a really different feeling. It’s probably how Amaurot originally looks like
Reminds me one of Emet's dialogue from 5.0
“And then there was Amaurot... Never was a city more magnificent. From the humblest streets to the highest spires, she fairly gleamed... Not that you would remember any of this.”
Yes, that's so awesome! Although I could imagine just like Emet's Amaurot is the dark version, this one in the fight might be a little bit more sunnier than usual. Elidibus is a person dedicated to stay neutral though, so I think it's a safe assumption this was more close to the truth.
Also remember his lines when we give him the other crystals before he gets sealed in the First's Crystal Tower.
"The rains have ceased. And we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it."
I cannot comprehend of how beautiful that fight was... After rather depressing sight of Pandaemonium monstrosity in p10, to this 😭No one was ready for how good the last part of this raids would be and honestly I think that I liked it more than 6.4 MSQ
I want to explore Amaurot in its heyday. Like properly.
Emet's Amaurot is perpetually night: silent and frozen in time on the eve of despair. In contrast, Elidibus' version is day, brimming with hope and the prospect of tomorrow, as a bright young ancient such as himself would have envisioned through his own gaze. It sort of goes along with the whole cycle of a day that the expansions have, as well as the philosophy of hope that permeates the characters, lore, and music (night always follows day, where there is despair there is also hope, etc. etc.). At least, that's how I interpret it. There are a billion billion symbolisms and themes at work in every turn, as expected of FFXIV's rich writing, and it is an absolute treat.
“COME WARRIOR OF DARKNESS! Let us finish this!”
**Three years later**
“I am Elidibus and I will never die”
OH COME ON
That was such an emotional cheap shot...
...and I completely fell for it...
i expected so much to see The Warrior of light ....
2 years from now we'll be kicking his ass again in the Ascian Ultimate.
@@GetterRay lol ultimate doesn’t count though. Unless he physically shows up AGAIN in the confines of a story, ultimate is minstrel hocus pocus and great exaggerations
@GetterRay its probably gonna be the best ultimate fight in the whole damn game
The seats of the fourteen, sunny amaurot outside, finally having a proper fight with Themis…I cried
I died inside and had to be carried cause I was crying
No wonder this pure hearted kid became Zodiark’s heart.
Yelling "I am the Emmisary and I will never die!" at us when he already knows full well we've fought before and the WoL killed him just goes to show that Themis has an incredible sense of humour, actually.
Also remember how he joyfully remarks:" Even Emet-Selch could do no better !" Before wiping his behinds with us in the first arcane revelation mechanic in savage.
Low key roasting poor Emet like that.
Themis has impeccable humor.
"When do you think people die? When they are shot through the heart by the bullet of a pistol? No. When they are ravaged by an incurable disease? No. When they drink a soup made from a poisonous mushroom!? No! It’s when *they are forgotten.* "
as long as they are remembered, the ancients will never die. hence why emet's request in SHB was "Remember us."
To the Edge: "It's so over..."
Fleeting Moment: "WE'RE SO BACK"
Someone on twitter pointed out that in P10 it's raining. Once we reached P11, the rain has ceased.
And we have been graced with another beautiful day. And this time, we'll see it together.
I can't fight you through all these tears, Elidibus, but I will damn well try
that was me
Knowing that all the Ascians are *officially* gone and that this might be the last time we hear the "To the Edge" motif brings tears to my eyes 😭😭💔💔
There not all gone, though. The unsundered are, but even assuming that they hadn’t recruited new shards to replace the ones we know have died, they’re still at least 4 ascians still running amuck.
Those four being Altima, Deudalaphon, Halmarut, and Pashtarot. They’re still unaccounted.
"all the Asians" ???????
Don't worry, bro. Us Asians are still here. Just check the nearby Asian restaurant .
@@trustytrest 🤣🤣 Autocorrect LMAO
@@SUPERSIDESWIPERuh, no. those ascians were killed by gaius. he has their masks.
I cant help but feel that this is a farewell to Amaurot and the Ancients but the theme is hopeful underlying the message that even though the Ancient way of life is gone the people still endure to the current era in different forms. It’s sad but still has glimmers of hope. Compared to SoS which was the Ancients realizing their end was close.
Hermes ruined it for everyone
@@Klonkus Eh, even if Hermes didn't fuck it up, someone would have. Ancient human society would've fallen victim to a similar malaise that took the Nibirun sooner or later.
@@Klonkus did you literally understand NOTHING about endwalker?
@@jacobkern2060 Hell, Athena basically made the same point about the Ancients unmaking creations as they saw fit.
@@jacobkern2060 Yeah, for all of the beauty of the Ancients' society, it was deeply and fundamentally flawed. It was a society of enforced and rigid conformity, that suppressed the individual in the name of the 'betterment of the star'. The fact that people were expected to die when they were done with their life's work (as determined by others) just grinds it in that while they were powerful and prosperous, they were no utopia.
Thinking how this is the third and most likely final time we fight Elidibus, it's really emotional. You've known him since ARR and then you fight him in his boss fight and then understand what he's been through. This theme is like the finale version of "To The Edge" ( Seat of Sacrifice theme ). It's a song that tells us that Themis is done with his duty and that this is his farewell not as the guy who tried to stop you and destroy all the reflections, but as a friend. It really did put a tear in my eye. Farewell, Themis.
Its the 4th. Elidizeno, Elidibert, WoL and then this. There will definitely be a 5th fight in Final Days Ultimate.
@@GetterRay We gonna get ready for Elidissimo
@@GetterRay Yep. I'm certain the SHB MSQ Ultimate will be Emet-Selch and Elidibus. Probably fulfilling some condition in the former so he can save you from the seal in the latter fight.
he aint dead tho, he got rezzed by someone in the end of the last cinematic
EW/shb ultimate maybe, may get another opportunity to fight
This arena is likely the chamber the Convocation sat in, Themis' line "I am the Emissary and I will never die" and the Heart amplifies desire and wishes. The thing Themis wanted most was to be the Emissary with his friends forever
Its name on the map is the Chamber of the Fourteen, so I have to assume you’re right.
Not sure, if you look at the crest, it has Mateus on the wall. Mateus = Lahabrea. Could this mean we're fighting in Lahabrea office and each convocations have their own chamber?
@@levintine777 you can quite literally see 14 seats, i dont think lahabrea's office would have 14 seats in it
It's such an inconvenient chamber. I know it's probably built for acoustics but imagine a soft spoken man like Hermes proposing something and Emet Selch immediately yelling "WHAAAT?"
@@Traten65 Thats assuming the room isnt chaos anyway with the constant Azem shenanigans.
This and the subsequent events that happened is such a sweet send off to Elidibus and Themis.
I wanted to keep him.
DAMN YOU LET ME KEEP HIM.
Take Zero instead! *angry flailing*
The rematch I did not know I needed till it was there. Out of all the fights I had the dumbest grin on my face the entire duel. something about this fight to me said nothing of a fight for our lives. It was a clash of hearts and friends. Azem and Themis, Elidibus finally getting to see just how good we (Azem) really are, why we are herald so highly by Emit and Hythlo. Why the hero's he looked up to spoke so fondly of us. In my eyes this was not a Fight it was a lesson. A lesson to Themis that his conviction mattered, and a lesson to us that our perseverance matters. it's really a beautiful fight.
Just when you think you're out a new rendition of To the Edge comes in three years later to get you with a nine iron to the feels.
It's cool how similar this model looks to Zodiark, especially the wings
Kind of like a cross between Zodiark and the Warrior of Light, fitting since this fight uses both light and dark mechanics
No lyrics just pure unadulterated angelic bliss
Okay Vauthry
This is the kind of song that gives me an impression that we are just sparring with a dear old friend while having laughs and fun in between.
Like that Flow jazz version when we danced with mama
So this was all so the kid could have a round two with us? Elidabus, ya could have just asked
Round four, five if you count Zodiark and six if you also count when you meet him on Waking Sands.
@skywardthebest he was gone when we fought zodiark. Fandaniel threw himself in zodiarks toilet to become the "heart" he needed to wake from his slumber.
@@NavytroyXIV Zenos must have been so angry at Elidibus for being able to fight the WoL multiple times, one time while he was possessing Zenos' body, while he himself has to cause a huge scene just to get our attention for five minutes... :D
@@Sketchblopp i definitely LOL'd after reading this lmao
@ObviouslyAChannel if you recall that's half why he was pissed when he saw elidibus in his body in Garlemald. He missed the "second epic showdown" though to be fair, kid had a point when he went "uh... who offed *themselves* again?"
Never did I imagine we'd get to dance with Elidibus again. And somehow it hurts even more than the first time. At least this time, he's smiling , and gods dammit so am I.
Same, but more like smiling through my fucking tears
I'm sure we all know the story of how Soken wrote "To The Edge" while in the hospital with cancer
This more upbeat, happier version of it is the first remix to come after his cancer went into remission
I like to think of this as Soken's victory song
Oops I'm crying now
Oops I'm crying now x2
STOP IT'S TOO EARLY FOR THESE TEARS
I DIDNT WANT TO CRY TODAY DUDE
@@ayrielbranford DID YOU REALLY THINK YOU WOULD HAVE A SINGLE BREAK WHILE PLAYING FF14?
Messing with my boy's soul AND making me fight him with an hopeful version of To the Edge?
Why would you do this to me Square?
"In transformation I present to you my truth, I am Elidibus!"
*PIANO DROPS*
This moment made me cry rivers, I'm so happy to see him again.
Isn't "Fleeting Moment" a line from Answers?
In this one fleeing moment, you must live, die, and know
The part at 1:06 is straight up my favorite musical phrase in the game, going low with just the piano and vocals as a callback to the sadness of amaurot and to the edge, then reintroducing drums and string instruments to rebuild back up to the high energy chorus, the perfect sendoff since this tier is the last time we're gonna see him
Ah yes, the music for each of the new raid encounters:
Banger
Banger
A critical direct hit in the feels that instantly gives you all the sacred vuln stacks
Banger
Fighting Elidibus in The Seat of Sacrifice: *"KICK HIS ASS!"*
Fighting Elidibus in Anabaseios: *Sad Warrior of Light noises...*
I love how majestic and pretty it looks, so much more happier than the recreation made by Emet-Selch. At the same time it's so funny how it seems like such a royal thing to me when it was just a workplace for our previous self (the rare times when they didn't skip a meeting because they were traveling around I mean, at least that's my head canon. :D ) Hanging around there in the world unsundered was "just another Tuesday", and yet it looks so special to me, like diving into an old photograph or painting from days long gone and ending up in Narnia.
I love that his design is a glimpse of Zodiark if he was balanced and not aspected to darkness.
right!
I'd say it is more based on final boss of FF2 : Emperor :P. Even his weapon is the same ( spear with dark and light ends)
there's something really comical about "I will show you my truth! I am Elidibus!" and then the title card comes in and calls him themis
In the original timeline, Elidibus saw us as nothing but an obstacle and a pest, he couldn't possibly see an equal ground between the Ancients and the fragments that now live, weight down by his duty as the Emissary, similar to how Lahabrea and Emet-Selch felt. But after you bested him and sought his help to go back to Elpis, something changed in him, similar to Emet-Selch. While Emet-Selch saw your worth and you proved yourself to be an equal and worthy of respect, Elidibus' fragmented mind vaguely remembered your time in Pandaemonium and saw fit to help you, and the WoL even feels bad for Elidibus' sacrifice which he couldn't understand at the time.
Now that Athena plucked his soul from the aetherial sea and give form, albeit a bit puppetered until you free him from it, he's finally complete and able to remember both past and present. Free of duty, he can fight you in equal measure with no masks or titles, as Themis. This isn't a test of your strength, this is a sparring match in his heart. He remembers you from days of eld and how you managed to help Erichtonios and Lahabrea back in Elpis, you're an equal, you're a colleague, a dear friend of his.
So, different from the sentiment that Hades and Hythlodeus gives us, Themis is able to reconcile and accept us, and gladly smile at you and call you his friend, for not only have you helped him so many times, but despite clashes and calamities, you still hurt at casting him down. And now, free of burden and guilt, he's thankful he can go back to the aetherial sea now complete, and making ammends with you.
And now, we know he has accepted this new world, because the very last scene, we see that he's about to be reborn into this world.
Goodbye, Themis. I'll miss you.
@@Phoenix-cc7xb Well, at the very least, we can now have the satisfaction that that Elidibus is the same as this one, and we got to not only free them from their lunacy but from the shackles of being part of the Unsundered, and be recognized as worthy of respect, an equal and a friend.
Ancient souls are very aetherically dense. It will take time for it to be cleansed and reborn. A lot of time.
@@acgearsandarms1343well actually the final cutscene of Pandaemonium seems to be a metaphor for Themis being reborn.
Primarily as the "Emerging from the depths" scene composition is a thematic parallel to birth often used in fiction so it could very well be Elidibus' souls thoughts before he was reborn as a new person on Etheryis.
@@Alovon I dont doubt it will happen, just on the when. He’s not going to be reborn that fast.
@@acgearsandarms1343we don't really have a timetable for Rebirth in FFXIV.
It could just take different amounts of time depending on the soul beyond Ether.
Also do recall that Themis did allegedly burn off a lot of his soul to take us to Elpis, so his soul ether could be thinner considering it's a miracle he survived to get nabbed by Athnea
People talking about the music and all, I just want to point out something different.
Look at the mechanics in that fight.
All of them are very similar to the original fight in spirit. The Light & Dark themes, the "cutting lines", the fact that almost all his attacks are "In and Out" patterns.
Such a well done fight. One of my favorite fights in the whole game, from the start of ARR.
レイドの為に石田さん呼んでもらったの感謝しかないねぇ
Honestly I'm really happy I did this fight with my Red Mage.
My characters lore is after fighting Hades, she lost access to her ability to manipulate Aether. Thus to adapt, she had to go from bei,being, a red mage, the passion she's had for her whole life, to a gunbreaker and adapt to Thancreds method, only regaining it at the fight with Zenos. In that fight against Elidibus, she technically didn't get to fight him in a way true to herself qnymore then he did.
Then this fight comes along and just knocks my socks off. Not only is this an incredible fight in game with an awesome track, but it feels like now both of them can fight in their truest potential. No limitations or assumed mantles or identities or roles or the likes. Now they fight as themselves.
To The Edge but happy. This couldn't be any more perfect.
I love how this fight theme is very piano centric
Of course the original 'Neath Dark Waters is mainly a piano piece too, but this is Themis's theme. Elidibus is playing a piano on a cover of an official ffxiv album, and Soken himself dressed as a white-robed Ascian in a piano performance. Because of this, Themis being a pianist is a common headcanon, and as it originates from SE itself, his theme being mostly played on piano could be very intentional!
Damn. If it wasn't obvious enough with the parallels, it's right there front and center. Oof.
This boss fight easily one of the best in all of pandemonia doesn't mean it's the easiest when it's in Savage
And it shouldn't be cause that'd be disrespectful to our boy
Third floor of a raid tier tends to be a bit of a brick wall. I can only imagine it’s going to go nuts with Light/Dark attacks.
Well, this fight has a lot of mechanical callbacks to Fatebreaker, so I expect to see stuff go crazy in Savage
I hope it goes crazy but if it’s like E11 I expect the only real difficulty to come from heal checks. E11’s mechs were kind of a snoozefest.
@@scarletfreeman9211 as long as it's not another fucking P7S >:C
This remix is so powerful and it almost sounds like the Ancients' last hoorah.
Like it's their last battle and they're fully enjoying it, fully coming to terms with things and just wanting to end it on a good note.
//proceeds to sob ugly tears
It's pretty awesome how when we fight Themis in shb, he has weakened over the years at level 80 and at an extreme level fight at that. But we are level 90 and are fighting an ancient ancestor in his prime and more with unlimited aether at savage level and really shows how strong the convocation really are once they were ready to battle
Reminder that transforming like this is equal to being naked in their society 😏
A Battle with a Friend.
"To the Edge" sounded like a heartbeat, a final and desperate struggle to the end against your enemy. This sounds like a dance shared between friends. I just love the genius behind Soken and his team.
All of the new music are amazing in this tier but this one is probably my favorite. Its a hopeful version of The Tempest yet it makes me very emotional. It's Elidibus before he lost his way...Also that stack attack where he shoot dark and light beam at everybody, that is a lot like Zordiak's stack attack, which make sense since he is gonna be Zordiak's heart
Doesn't just look like Zodiark's multi-stack. It is that attack. Name included. The only difference is that half the beams are light instead of all being dark
"I saw you there.. On Elpis."
This felt like the last, LAST send off to the ancients and the last character left to give it to. Hit me like the end of Endwalker all over again
“Do you miss Shadowbringers yet?”: The Raid
Anyone else sing the lyrics of To the Edge while this played during the boss fight?
“In monochrome melodies, our tears are painted in red (bleeding to the edge). In the end, we’re nothing more than scions and sinners. In the rain, do light and darkness fade!”
@@enlongjones2394 "Yes time circles endlessly, the hands of fate trained ahead (pointing to the edge). All things change, drawn to the flame, to rise from the ashes. To begin, we first must see the end."
@@DevoutSkeptic "Rock of ages
We cast the first stone.
In our cages, we know not what we do. Indecision, here at the crossroads. Recognition, tomorrows come too soon."
YES YES YES YES YES. WHILE CRYING.
@@moemyun2541 Ok so I'm not the only one T_T
2:21
ITS THAT PIANO AND THAT RISE, MAN.
I SWEAR TO GOD. THE WHOLE SONG WAS AMAZING BUT ITS THAT RISE
ITS THAT HOPEFUL RISE IN THE INSTRUMENTS
GOD DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN I CANNOT NOT CRY TO THIS MASTERPIECE
I FUCKING LOVE THIS GAME
tfw when the boss music feels like the boss just asked you to marry him and im absolutely going to say yes
It's beautiful. This is a fitting end to the story of the Ancients. I was worried but this tier has dispelled my fears.
Onward, to the next tale, remembering the moments that came before.
By the way that's the convocation's main chamber. The 14 seats.
Best prog music, hands down. I never get tired of this theme, remix, rearranged, slow, original, all the best! Cant wait for the savage.
I teared up a bit hearing to the edge again, it's such a banger. Really needed this after how dark panda had been
Also, I'm really hoping to see a piano cover of this track!
If this is what I will bashing my head against Savage for next few months I am ok with this
Ngl i cried when it started playing
a warrior of light AND dark, i believe is the truest form of elidibus, not just either or, hes the emisarry, hes supposed to walk both lines
also i really really love this rendition of to the edge, and i kinda wish we still had the ticking clock
The symbol of justice is a scale afterall, balance of light and dark.
@@SwordmasterChannel much like naldthal
I actually liked the fact that there is no Ticking clock as in Amarout and to the edge,They emphasis a sense of urgency and immanent doom,i.e Signalling the destruction of Etheirys and your clock for the transformation into a sin eater etc.
Where as in this theme,there are none of those and instead it's brimming with hope and justice.
Elidibus: I am mankind's first hero and his final hope!
Me/Us: WHO DO YOU THINK IT WAS WHO TAUGHT YOU WHAT IT MENT TO BE THAT HERO CHILD!?!?!
I like how Elidibus' form is a combination between the FF1 Warrior of Light and a baby Zodiark.
What I do like most about this music and encounter? How hopefull it actually is, full of joy and excitement and promise of something beautiful. Exact same feelings I've got from fight with Venat when she wanted to test us for the first time. You're not fighting another foe, there is no battle to save the world, you're not forced to fight for survival on peak of the Crystal Tower. Its like... idk like you indulge your friend? Answering his challenge for a friendly duel.. and that's actually fills me with so much joy I can't even describe it 😭😭😭😭
Good thing i listened to this here and not in the actual fight, i would see absolutely nothing with all of the tears in my eyes.
starting the fight was definetily a "dont make me do this again Square, please"
Right? The SGE I got first time through apologised at the end saying "I couldn't see through the tears in my eyes", felt too relatable
Yo, that was my first reaction at hearing this theme. It helped that my co-tank let me OT, but we both had the same issues in our first try.
me, doing this with tears in my eyes: "GODDAMN IT SE"
His mechanics are all about balancing the light and dark (those circles give party a buff only after the split). Just like Elisibus's role as Emissary that's guarding the balance in Source's aether.
To the edge: "you say run" version
This song is such a masterpiece, it bring metears of joy and sorrow of what was lost.
This entire raid series for me was, "Shit, I really like Themidibus now." XD
The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it. But I shall push forward, and remember you as you were. as you would want me. I shan’t forget.
is the kinda vibe I get from this song
"In these fleeting moments, a spark. Blinding, brilliant; gone too soon."
Tbh I didn't really get what he meant until this fight.
See, i knew what he meant before he said it. So many fights in games are AMAZING, and then you just wanna relive those moments.
The real challenging and hardest part about this entire boss is the music.
It's quite impossible to stay NOT emotional and fight THE Elidibus in his purest form with a straight face
While the theme of Amaurot playing in its full glory and is filled with hope.
Damn you Elidibus,You knew being emotional is my weakness all along...
"In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow
Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow
In the same fleeting moment, thou must live, die, and know"
Masterpiece soundtrack. Comforting yet ‘let’s fight on’ all at once
_No more shadow, no more light_
_Only rivals fated to fight_
_Two in slumber, one drawing nigh_
_All stand waiting, the final goodbye_
Oh the splendor, of times long gone
Unrepentant, the path taken so far
Evanescent, these mortal instants
Know our places; one looks forward, one looks back.
An angel's feather forsaken, drifts lost in time
(Left drifting far far behind)
Beyond this ceiling, skies shine golden, almost divine
(Yet this was not meant to last)
A bottle lost reclaimed by descendants unseen
(Your message, now made our creed)
A flame extinguished, burns anew with life undimmed
(We shall remember that you lived)
In crystallized memories
Our smiles shine bright like the sun
(Old Friends from long ago)
And yet now we're little more
Than flesh and blood
Such is fate for those born of
the clash of light and dark
Yes, time marches mercilessly
And we may tumble and fall
(New friends have our back)
We stand up, never give in, this trail that we blaze
After the rain, hope ever shines on
These fleeting moments we call life.
Elidibus is one of my favorite characters of all time. I was excited for this raid tier because “oh he might be voiced in some fights!” BUT TURNS OUT HE IS THE FIGHT?? I was not ready for that I was getting worked up saying goodbye for the 4th time. But then the actual end? Holy SHIT I was SOBBING. Flow was playing in the background and him saying he does remember his time after the Sundering with us too. I love that little guy so much. I’m glad that the aeatherial sea sounds comforting for him, he needs to for the first time have his soul be unshackled by millennia’s worth of responsibilities
If I had a nickel for everytime Elidibus bullied me in front of 7 other Warriors of Light, I'd have 2 nickels.
Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
I just noticed, his OG true form looks like a less evil version of Zodiarc.
Smash-bros-ified to the edge
What an exceptional fight on every level. Great callbacks to Seat of Sacrifice, the theme being a rearrangement of Neath Dark Waters, him using quotes from other Ascians... He even uses an Ahk Morn-like ability similar to the one in Zodiark, but with light added into it. It's really, really damn good.
Also "I am the emissary, and I shall never die!" yeah about that
"I am the Emissary, and I shall never die!"
The rains have ceased, and we are blessed with another beautiful day. And you are here to see it!
I daresay this is probably the most beautiful raid fight we've seen, from the stage, to Themis' true form, to the music.
Seat of Sacrifice is my favorite trial in the entire game, every week i always queue to the normal fight just for the funs.
When i saw the the convocation's seats and this song started playing i almost cried
1:50 that part makes me cry when i hear it first time tbh^^
"A truth that fills my heart..."
Being forced to fight Themis, man… I hated her x.x But Themis, despite that, sees an optimistic point of view and wanted to duel us. This may be playing to her trap, but that didn’t stop him or his friend for a spar to remember by. I went from ARR to hating the guy on what he’s doing to ask the way to ShB I felt sorry for him. Then in EW, we really got to see the true Themis and how wonderful the person is.