The Beautifully Confusing Trinity
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2022
- One God, in three distinct persons?? Confusing, we know.
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Y’all did an excellent job on discussing the Trinity! I’ve always said we must avoid trying to explain the Trinity with “human” terms, God is not like us He is different. But what He has revealed about Himself in scripture we must believe/embrace. I look forward to the day when we will see Him as He is and be made like Him (I John 3:2) and even then He will still be greater! What an amazing God we serve!🙌🏽
I think the true issue is that Christians truly have difficulties understanding the Trinity/Godhead, so they can’t explain it well. It is okay to use human analogy. Jesus did the same while explaining the parables. He used objects that humans are familiar with, so that we can gain understanding of the gospel. This is done throughout the Bible. Personally, I would use the same tool, such as, the different forms of water, however, I wouldn’t explain it as it TRANSFORM from one form of water/entity to another. I would present the three states of water at the same time but say the Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are one in character, nature, principles, and purpose, but each has different role in the plan of salvation. The three states of water are the same: chemically (nature of it/ substance are the same). They are not the same physically (play different roles).
It is impossible for Him to do evil. Except when God (Jesus Christ) came in a form of man, then He was tempted in all points of evil, but chose to never sin, for our sake. When we read things in the Bible that occurred and appears to be unjust, we need to remember that we are not God and He can read hearts of men. He is and always a just God.
I love how they explained that God was never alone and He is Love; it was enlightening. It explains the importance of fellowship with brethren and the purpose of marriage. Don’t forsake the assembly of the brethren. It is not good to be alone. It just makes me think of those who struggle with depression and low self esteem. How they think that no one is like them, so they isolate themselves become subjected to more of Satan’s tact/torture. I realize that he uses the same exact formula (tact) on everyone but you wouldn’t know bc you don’t want to talk to anyone or the thoughts appears to be so believable and reasonable.
@@beejones0509 1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person
2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person
3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead
4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead
5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons
6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons
7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism?
8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59?
9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59
10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return?
11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man?
12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?
If you want to believe what is told in scripture, then let go of man made philosophies and believe the words of Jesus. He said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD John 17:3.
@@leahjames6870 Are you referring that to me?
Wow, I love the way you wrote this comment, "what He revealed about himself in scripture we must believe or embrace." It really is a relationship and intamcy with the Holy Spirit & relevant to how people struggle with relationships today, and may be why so many are struggling in relationships in general, now that I think about it. Trusting enough to let someone lead. Idk why, but the first thing this made me think of was a relationship & being intimate with the Holy Spirit, like in a union. Not in an inappropriate way, but in a way that allows trust and vulnerability.
Am I still confused? Yes. But still so madly in love with the triune God. I need a part two of this IMMEDIATELY
Hey blessings to you! Give a read to a book called “Oneness” by David K. Bernard! It radically changed my life!
@@gregmoore2875haven't read it yet but am interested
Okay this is me, I’m not alone 🙌🏽😅
@@gregmoore2875the oneness of God ? Is that what you’re referring to ? I ask because I looked it up and that’s what popped up
Eph 1:9 "Having made KNOW TO US the MYSTERY if his will" ( Greek 'mysteron' that which IS reavealed ) Thus Paul also said "God is not a GOD OF CONFUSION, but a God of peace". Its a total 'copout' to apply mystery' or 'confusion' to the 'trinity as a justification! its a FALSE doctrine along with all other confusing philosophies and notions of religion! The bible is clear & simple! There is but ONE GOD and Father of us all as Jesus Christ taught! "This means life eternal that they might know YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ( John 17:3 part)
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and I left the organization 4 years ago. I grappled a lot with understanding The Holy Trinity because a lot of the doctrine in the JW organisation is logical, it is scientific and has to be palatable to human rationale. This podcast not only helped me understand the difference between modality versus co-equality, but made me realize that God indeed exists and works in ways that are mysterious and surpass human understanding. Thank you
@zizojikizinto I completely understand the difficulty coming from the teachings of JW with this. It’s tough to swallow sharing the space of the one true God with anything else being considered “equal”.
So, my brother, you now have faith in a mystery? Whereas before it was easy and simple (that’s what any truth is) to understand, now you worship a god that you can’t understand. Ok. There’s a reason you’ll never forget John 17:3. You can KNOW the Father but a mystery you cannot.
@@playthislickI don’t recall reading the original comment and the original poster pertaining to any confusion about who God is - I think you’ve read the comment incorrectly. God DOES work in mysterious ways. That’s all they were saying.
@@notahanzomain5282then do me a favor and read it again, my friend
Testimony time! So God led me to this podcast a few of weeks ago…I didn’t fully understand why I was drawn to it. I thought the content and delivery was cool, so I watched many if not all the past episodes (I literally couldn’t stop watching it). During the same time I’ve been praying that God would help me to understand the trinity. The trinity has been one of the topics I’ve wrestled with in my faith walk. Growing up the trinity wasn’t explained in a way I resonated with (modalism) and even today I don’t hear the topic preached often. This podcast episode has brought so much clarity! I can’t fully express in words how grateful I am that God has used the Perrys to ignite a hunger to know Him on a deeper and intimate level. God bless you, Perry family! Pull up on us in the ATL!
That’s awesome! I recommend you watch Transformation Church’s “The Upgrade” series. It’s all about the Holy Spirit!
Don't they live in ATL!?
@@micahsales2524 yep
Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!
So if all three are distinct from one another, that makes them 3 gods, not one. The role/essence “explanation” makes no sense whatsoever. Bible Truth is not complicated. But trinitarians complicate it and make it worse for those searching for the Truth
27:27 - 27:50 hit me like a ton of bricks. God is love. He did not have to become love(ing). He has always loved perfectly.
That same God loves me??!?!?!?!?!
😭😭❤️❤️
He’s such a good father! I am a believer and in my efforts to actually be learned the trinity has been kinda confusing in a way! I’ve been having conversations in my head like “I want to know you more” and I actually prayed that, then this video! Thanks for being an answered prayer🙏🏽
VA has a very close dialect to Chicago..
Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!
A mystery can never be understood. So how can you have faith in something or someone mysterious??
This was so beautiful, refreshing and enlightening. Also, Jackie yelling “EPISTEMOLOGY?!” took me out😂
took me clean out lol
Same here!🤣
Preston is bang on: the Trinity actively loves each other Father Son Holy Spirit and therefore Being a God of Love pours that same love to us !! And He teaches us how to love !! Amen
1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person
2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person
3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead
4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead
5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons
6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons
7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism?
8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59?
9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59
10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return?
11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man?
12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?
While this word is packed and loaded with many benefits for my understanding of who God is and how He operates in Trinity, I cannot help but greatly admire the beauty of being able to come together as a couple and discuss such depths about God. Gosh its sexy and I look forward to doing this with my husband when He comes according to God's will 😍
Also when Jesus is being baptized by John, Mathew 3: 16 " As soon as Jesus was baptized, he(Jesus) went up out of water. At that moment heaven was opened and he (John) saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him(Jesus). And a voice from heaven(God) said, " this is my son in whom I love; with him I am well Pleased." In this instance all three are present.
Her hair is exquisite.
This was awesome!!
It NEVER CEASES TO CRACK ME UP how Preston just continues talking WHILE Jackie acts a fool (such as when he was talking about God and the water)!! He's so used to her foolishness! I love it 😹😹
Just to clarify for some, I’m a oneness Pentecostal, and we wholeheartedly believe Jesus is God! He is literally called Emanuel, which means “God with us” Matt 1:22-23! Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the son that is given shall be called “everlasting father”. That alone illustrates the mystery of the Godhead! The SON is described as the everlasting FATHER. God is one, and has always been. Deuteronomy 6:4 “hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is ONE!” I appreciate these Convo’s because they push us to study, and really evaluate what it is we believe.
What church do you go to? Husband and I have been looking for this.
@@Tishalocs I go to an apostolic church in Maryland. What state are you in?
@@janelle1150 we are in GA but if they have online we want to join in. Or refer us to one. We are in the metro area.
@@Tishalocs Cross Creek apostolic church! We do have online
This is true!
All I know is God is good, and I'm grateful for Him. Just a child reaching up for the hand and looking for the Face. ❤
I was a straight A student and always paid attention in class. I remember in fifth grade, how diligently I paid attention in this specific science lesson where we talked about the states of matter. Yesterday I asked God for a sign to show me that I’m doing the something right in pursuing Him. I’m a born again Christian since 2 years. When I was in primary school I was a devoted Buddhist. So my point is, God is amazing. He laid out my life in such a way, even the moments when I wasn’t a believer would help me with my relationship with Him. He made it so, that I paid attention in that specific class, so that I could come up with the metaphor of the Holy trinity being like water, gas, and ice so that one huge question that pesters many didn’t pester me because I had other things trying to separate me from God and if I had one more doubt I would have snapped. ( now im past that stage and have a beautiful stable relationship with Jesus). Im shocked by Gods wisdom and grace right now. He used seemingly insignificant moments in my life to help me understand Him. And He used this to show me that our relationship is based off of a good and correct foundation.( I saw a comment also talking about this water gas ice metaphor and the Holy Spirit revealed to me how in my life it all connects)
The states of matter is not like the clear cut structure of the Holy trinity but it makes this beautifully confusing Trinity a bit easier to decipher
Hallelujah, praise the Lord ❤️
Well said.
I’m at work listening and lost track of what I was doing, multi-tasking, because this convo is so rich…like Popeyes biscuit back in the day lol thick but melt in your mouth rich. 😩😂 I may be hungry but y’all get it. I gotta go back and listen again. 🤯🤯
So grateful that God doesn’t call for us to understand BUT to just have faith and believe! Great conversation. Definitely going to revisit this
That water-ice-vapour model is exactly what I was taught while hearing that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were one in three persons, which is a foreign concept to understand. So while people would tell me this true concept, they would explain it in a very wrong way. Hurt my understanding of Holy Spirit and reliance on Him badly
I’ve seen someone say, “The Godhead is like the links in a pretzel. Three links, all forming one pretzel. Unique from each other, but completely enjoined.” Not a perfect example, but maybe drawing on the Scutum Fidel
Jackie, I first met you only about a year ago and your confidence about the scriptures left me feeling less than adequate. However the more I fought against listening to what you have to say. the more God kept bringing me back to you. The reason is slowly becoming obvious! Thank you. Preston was brilliant too. Ps: the world is shrinking by the minute. I live in Sierra Leone/West Africa and was able to catch this today 🙏🏾
The whole triune God is active in keeping, saving, and preserving us. The whole God is at work! 🔥🔥🔥
Y'all did an EXCELLENT job!!! I think I will no longer use modalities to explain God but say what the Scriptures say.
📖🙏🏽🕊
This is SOOOOO good. Let Him use you! Thank you for being shepherds we need in this day and time🙏🏾❤️
Growing up Pentecostal I can say that there was some confusion with trinity but for the most part we believed that God was one God that existed in three persons. Not that God stopped being the Father to become the Son. They all exist at the same time and separately yet as one.
Same, I was so confused when they kept saying pentecostals believe in modalism. I’d guess the pentecostal churches they were in contact with believed in modalism, because the one I grew up in did not. My pastor actually preached against modalism.
@@ketsspace816 Yes. I figured that as well. I know for some in the Pentecostal faith that do very poor jobs of teaching Bible properly. So I’m sure some do believe in modalism.
Modern day Apostolics and some Oneness Pentecostals teach modalism some aware and unaware.
Me too! I am like what? No. God is 1 all at the same time.
That was a whole 5 course meal!! I’m so full, had to wear spandex, lol. Amen for the spiritual directive and teaching. My heart is inspired and encouraged 🙏
this was so informative, highly appreciate the way in which the two of you break things down and make it easier to understand. P.s I absolutely adore and love how the two of you interact as a union in discussions like these and unapologetically so, one can see that God put you two together and what a blessing it is to witness a Love that is of God🙈 It really excites me in praying for a future spouse (even though I am only 19),that we can grow in loving the Lord as a union. Thank you guys so much for your obedience to the Spirit and sharing the Word with us in the ways that you do. All the blessings, with Love from South Africa🌼❤
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14:06 😊
I don’t think it’s that simple. Did the thief on the cross understand the trinity? What about the men from acts 19 who didn’t know what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was?… I think progressive revelation plays a part. So as long as you don’t reject what you know to be true and believe in Jesus, God will work it out as we persevere!
This was so good! Can we get a part two? And can we get more history lessons as well. I had to stop and chew on this all day
Agreeee
I second thisss!!!
Agreed!!!
Agreed part 2 please
I enjoy these sessions and these people -- together and individually. So good.
Don’t try to figure out something I haven’t revealed about myself. Powerful
Great video, The trinity being “created” at the council of Nicea is prolly one of the most prominent lies out there. The whole purpose of that council was to excommunicate Arian heretics, not to decide if the trinity exists or not. Also, St Dionysius, who was a direct disciple of the apostle Paul is quoted in the 1st century AD, talking about the trinity, so the doctrine existed well before that council even occurred
The council of Nicaea solidified the trinity doctrine. But may I ask you a question. Jesus said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD in John 17:3. Was he correct???
@@leahjames6870 I think you're specifying more than the text or Jesus did. "You are the only true God". Looking at the entire verse, it is clear that Jesus was not speaking in relation to the Father individually, but God. In addition, whenever the Bible says something that is or similar to "[YHWH] is the one true God", it is always in comparison to idols or false gods. Also, by saying that the Father is the only true God, Jesus is not denying His Divine nature. The Father IS the only true God. Just like the Son is, as well as the Spirit. They are of the same essence. However, the individuality or distinctions of the Trinity does erase the unity the persons have in terms of holiness, and attributes. The Bible says countlessly that "God is holy". That means the Father is holy. The Son is holy. The Spirit is holy. But does the fact that they're all holy means they're all the same so therefore cannot be unique or in other words holy? Of course not. Because while they are distinct, they are all one singular God. I hope you at least barely understand my point seeing as the Trinity is extremely difficult to grasp. It's inexplicable to many degrees.
@@ilovekene9697 The trinity is difficult to grasp because it was never meant to be. GOD is not the author of confusion and that doctrine is confusion. The trinity is not a teaching from Christ nor his apostles. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where anyone believed such a thing??? Just one person. Christ’s divinity doesn’t mean he is GOD, unless other spiritual beings are God too🤔The Bible calls The Father GOD and Jesus called him the ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus didn’t say “we” he said THEE, when speaking to The Father. The Father is ALWAYS called GOD, while Jesus is called The Lord. You can’t say 3 individuals, who are each separate and distinct from one another, each consisting of their OWN full divine essence, are all the ONE true God. That makes no sense at all. That’s polytheism. Unless you’re saying each person is a percentage of God, which is equally ridiculous. The GOD of Jesus, was The Father, not a trinity. The Father is the Holy Spirit, because that’s what he is, holy and spirit. Do you worship the same GOD that Jesus did, that his disciples did, that everyone in the Bible did???
These are the words of Paul,
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
I put this on while working and the amount of times I’m being distracted by this sound doctrine to gasp and write notes is unbelievable! I will need to relisten again when I’m just chilling because this is 🔥🔥🔥
This is a great conversation
Someone one explained the Trinity to me as the Sun
From the Sun comes light and heat but the Sun doesn’t have to stop being the Sun to provide light and heat
Woah woah! My mind has been blown. When Preston speaks about The Trinity working in creation, there was a total shift. I never noticed this.
The movie The Shack displays the separation of the 3 memeners of the trinity. The book was even more amazing. I love it. Great discussion
Preston was on fire with the explanation of God being love and how it further supports the Trinity. I had to pause, process, and type this comment. Great video you two!
I was praying the other day, a little bit frustrated at a situation I was dealing with and I went Holy Spirit, Jesus and God Almighty, one of You must be hearing me. Please help me out here!!
It was a real pleasure hearing Preston speaking of such deep theological truths - well done you two 👏🏻🤗🇦🇺
Loving these conversations
Looooved this conversation!
Wow! Thank you for this!
This is such a great conversation!!!
I appreciate this video 🙏🏼❤️
Thank you Preston & Jackie! I loved and appreciate it this conversation, so much wisdom was poured out 🙌
OMG... this was so amazing!!!
I love this conversation!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Excellent episode.
This is such a blessing.
This episode is the best!!!
Thank you! ❤
Wow! Love learning from you guys
I so appreciate you bringing it down to earth for us.
Love ya'll. Thank you for this!!!
Love Love this ..Beautifully done ..sharing
Really enjoyed this discussion, thanks guys
This is awesome. I most definitely needed this conversation/breakdown.
Yho this conversation is just 🔥🔥🔥😩🙌🏽
Very helpful conversation y’all! Thank you! 🤗
This topic and conversation was on point. Please keep them coming!!
Simply beautiful…
Another gem 💎!!! Beautiful spoken!
Such good teaching.
A Masterclass. Thank you .
That was so righteously explained , without taking or adding anything outside pf the scripture. God bless you.
Very thoughtful analysis!
I love listening to the two of you
Keep up the good work
Thank you. ❤️
This was so beautifully done. Thank you for teaching!
This is soooo good, I cant explain it. Thnak you so Much!
Your wisdom is heaven sent
Listened to the podcast. Back for the visual. This was so insightful and helped me. Thanks Perrys.
Y’all are preaching 🔥🔥🙏🏽🙏🏽🙌🏽
I’m excited to hear this.
The title of this episode intrigued me, but now I understand why it was titled this way…it brought me a lot of peace, thank you both for letting God use you.
Amennnnnn!!!!! Come on y’all! This is powerful! Love this conversation.
beautiful indeed!
I'll sure listen to this a thousand times over🔥🔥🔥🔥
This video! This dialogue🔥and absolutely necessary!!!
The way this video is in such a devine timing. My friends and I literally had a whole conversation about this!
Amen to this, and I agree about the solitary confinement part. Thanks for mentioning that Jackie 🙏🏽
Thank you Jackie and Preston 💥💥💥
I absolutely love conversations like this!!!! More please!! And May GOD continue to bless your family with everything your hearts desires 👏🏾👏🏾✌🏽
Good word!!
This is very enlightening btw thank you guys Thank God! ❤️
I love y’all videos so much, you guys are two very interesting people.
Such good content - such good quality. Good job to whoever edits and films! Great production.
Be Blessed, Perry's! 🤯😌🙏
Thank you for this🙏🏽 I just learned so much in this episode. The substance and the realness brought tears to my eyes. Keep it up❤️
I love the banter before y'all get into the topic. Plss keep that
Thank yall
Yall just flow and bounce off each other. Love it. Reminds me of my hubby and I when teaching our youth and and other believer's
I’m about to take all the notes! Yes!
POWERFUL discussion 💯 grateful to watch!
This was beautiful... absolutely so much information in this lesson.. I truly appreciate this...🙌🏾🙌🏾
One of favorite videos! Loved and really appreciated this conversation! Y’alls flow just is so easy to listen to and so interesting! Also got the book you mentioned and started reading it and it has been AMAZING!! This book is literally making me want to read the Bible all over in light of seeing God as Father! Thank you so much for what you do! ❤️
this is FIRE I Love it!!!
God bless the Perrys. This video was super helpful in clarifying some of the points of major confusion about the Trinity for me. I really admire and love the way you guys bring across these concepts in a way that is easier to grasp. You have a special gift. Thank you for sharing with us. 🤍
May God continue to bless and protect you as you fulfill your purpose. You have inspired me and your faith is very encouraging.
This is beautiful. Thank you God for using them as a vessel.
Y'all start off the conversation totally off topic and it's hilarious I love this dialogue🤣🤣🤣🤣
PRESTON!!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 Yessss sir! Great teaching yall❤
Well done my brother and sister love it