Toyota vs Land Rover: We Take 2 Off-Road Icons Up A Mountain To See Which Is Best | TFL Pro S.1 Ep.8
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#LandRover #LandCruiser #Discovery
Dads 2004 Rover has been a rock solid off roader in the six years we've had it... no major issues but what it does do is what i call "the yearly check engine light". usually a couple days before he has to go through emissions
Wow that old Discovery is more off-road worthy than the New Defender.
And you won't be scared to scratch the old paint.
the new defender rolfstomp to hell and back that old disco 1 in any offroad scenario both stock.. not even in the same league lmao !
@@yepitsme431 "both stock" is the key there. Who keeps their wheeler stock? The beauty of the earlier trucks is the ease of modifying. My Disco is currently on 6" of lift and 37" tires. That's not going to happen with any IFS/IRS truck. I have one of those too (LR3) but it's only lifted 2" with 33" tires and that's really pushing it
@@donhappel9928 there its TONS of people that leaves the vehicles "stock" at most they add tires and external accesories and thats it.. and guess what? for THOSE people a STOCK truck its more than enough for what they do !! not everyone its heavy into modifying every car they have, and people like you are the minority wheter you like it or not, and financially speaking the majority its the ones in control.. the market dictates what it wants =)
@@yepitsme431 Yes there are. And there are many vehicles on the market already to cater to them. The entire rest of the Rover lineup for example. Traditionally however the Defender (especially the Defender) was targeted at those who want to personalize the vehicle to suit their needs whether that be for commercial, military, or recreational. The ability to modify for purpose is what made it work, be that an ambulance or an overlander. The new truck has moved to the opposite pole from that philosophy of 'an off-road vehicle that works on the road' to 'a road vehicle that works off-road'. There may indeed be a bigger market for the latter, but as noted Rover themselves already have it well served. In fact, you might even say it's saturated. People buy an M3 instead of a standard BMW because of it's track abilities (even if they never see the track personally). The same was true of the old Defender. Now that they've abandoned the original philosophy of the vehicle, what's to set it apart from the myriad of other luxury SUVs from Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, etc? This basic shift in philosophy is what upsets those of us who are enthusiast. And though we are a relatively small group, we are the people who own multiple Rovers; who actually use them and make them seen in the wild; who run the clubs and generally promote the brand. We've long felt abandon by the brand but held out some faint hope against hope that there was still one; one model that would retain it's heritage of go anywhere, do anything and not simple become another hi-tech, high-priced luxury SUV.
I reserve final judgement until they are actually in the field and the aftermarket can start delivery options to 'make it your own'. And I fully understand the forces at play that make an old-school solid axle truck a difficult thing to bring to market today. However when a brand abandons its heritage and history in favor of chasing a quick buck on current fad what do they really have left?
We want to see *mudding* and *deep waters* not just a gravel road
In the west we generally avoid mudding in favor of crawling. A- drought is common enough, B- it tears up the trail and gets things closed down, C- my god, the clean up is a b!tch!
Kunal Findley Check my channel, I got a few videos of my Rover in deep mud! Cheers 🍻
That Land Rover sure looks good. So much nicer than the new stuff.
No kidding. No comparison. New Land Rovers are sad looking vehicles. But then, I still like flathead Ford's.
Will B nd they have worse quality being own by tata Nd a Chinese company
These VS videos are my absolute favorite to watch out of all of the TFL channels/video series. Great video Tommy and Andre :)
Every second soccer mum in regional aus drives a cruiser like that...
Its funny the first part is considered "off road". In the south that's just a gravel road going up the mountains.
Mr Economist I call it my driveway in TN.
I suspect, maybe, possibly, if they were to look, they might be able to find an actual trail in Colorado. But you have to admit, what they call a 'mountain' in the south or east is what we call a hill in the west. ;)
Mr Economist AKA.. the driveway.
Your Name damn, you beat me.
@@donhappel9928 Must not have driven around the south much, plenty of mountain ranges larger than hills. They are larger toward the west, but that's because they aren't as old.
Wooow great vid!!!! Would love to see a 3rd gen 4Runner vs new 4Runner!!!!
Dude there's plenty of 4 Runner videos.... Played TF out...
Yes please!!!
Cant wait to see the Sequoia TRD PRO vs the Land Cruiser TFL PRO. That would be awesome.
Good job guys, love the channel.
John Quinones both are sure beasts but the Land Cruiser even tugs the Sequoia like it’s on ice. Also it’s faster. It’s the top of the line off-roader while the Sequoia is more of a family hauler even though it is capable for Offroad.
I know this video is like a year old, but I love this Land Rover so much! And Tommy statement about the Land Rover being 5500 verse the Cruiser being 25,000, it's also the same argument in comparing it to a newer 4Runner too. I don't think the 4Runner can do anything that the Rover can't, it just costs 5 times as much.
I kind of want to sell my 5th gen 4Runner, and get one of these Disco 2s.
Wow! That Land Rover is still running even though it is literally falling apart.. 🤣
I still would rather own a used Land Cruiser, though..
Tommy is sentimental towards the old characters. But sentiment won't get you home from the middle of nowhere when you have been wheeling it hard. :)
you guys really need to find a real offroad trail to test on. This is a gravel road.
I dont think I've seen them push the Landcruiser to its absolute limit yet.
@@janetairlines1351 that guy has nothing but pure, irrational hatred for Toyota.
@@GregKittle ya sure does must be a jeep fanboy
Seriously, any stock pickup in 2 wheel drive would have cleared all those obstacles.
@@michaelpulley7926 ya I'd even go as far as a lifted rav4 could do it or the new defender
I love the discovery 2 👍😁
This channel seems to ignore the H3. You can buy one for 5-6 K. You can fit 295/75/16’s on stock rims, zero rubbing. Flat towable, can pull behind an RV no mods. Great approach/departure/ ground clearance.
Nicholas Livoti leaf rear springs bad times
It's definitely more off road worthy than the H2, that's for sure...It would make a really good initial off road vehicle for someone wanting to get into the scene...
those Discovery's are an absolute joy to drive on a long journey
We need to see Andres hummer go on some of these off-road trails
I can’t believe you used low range and centre diff on the disco up that first hill. You make it sound like it needed it... this is terrain I used to take my 04 disco on in stock form - no lift!
BTW - in Florida we run roofline level snorkels due to deep swamp water going over the hood on lifted trucks. Never had a Toyota venture to run with us - maybe the owners were not too confident? Did have Jeeps and Hummers. The other minor mod is blue RTV on every ignition connection. Btw - it really makes the motor run smoother in a cap a rotor situation.
How is this a torture test... could have gone up these tracks in a Kia!
I'd do it in a Falcon.
Or a Corolla or a Camry 😅
Film it and prove it. I'll watch.
Matt Street no you won’t
This is real offroad look like: ua-cam.com/video/dN_MNm07wmM/v-deo.html
You guys have been off roading for years yet this video makes it look like your first time out.
You guys should try airing down. In every offroad video the tires are as hard as a rock. Helps with traction and you wont bounce around like ya do.
Not sure what all the commotion is about with the new Land Rovers. Yes the new disco is gross, but what I love about the new Defender is that it reminds me of this Disco II.
That " off road trail" literally looks like my driveway
My Land Rover discovery 2 still running strong at 20021000+ miles
It’s so damn hard to look at my old discovery, god I shouldn’t have sold that thing
I feel that on a whole new level, my Range Rover is literally falling apart by the day, been trying to fix it but the money is not really worth it anymore. Should have sold it when I noticed it was started to go.
I want both 😥
The land cruiser that costs a million bucks and is worth it and...
The Land Rover that looks like a million bucks and costs pennies and the dollar
"Did you bring your tow strap?" HAHAHAHAHAHA
Loved the video, but would love more technical off-roading. There were only 3 off-road bits in that whole 10 minute video.
I'll have to watch again, I must have missed those 3 spots.
5:07 maybe this is your head gasket leak. (the coolant? running down the cat converter) I guess the A/C could be on?. That would imply it was leaking out the back of that cylinder head. good news actually. It means it is probably nothing worse. Eventually it will leak enough to remove more surrounding head gasket material.Then.. Well you get the idea I'm sure. Just saying..it's not that bad of a job. I just did it on my Range Rover Classic 4.2. I like your videos, they grow on ya. Keep up the good work!
Wow the traction control still works on the land rover 👍
I've built a Disco 2 - OME Lift and shocks, ARB lockers front and rear, center diff lock adapter, full axle and diff breather relos, ARB bull bar and winch, etc. Fantastic truck when it worked. Horrible when it didn't. 4 electric windshields, 3 transmission replacements. Sold it after 4 years. There's a reason why I've purchased 4 new Land Cruisers since 1987. The Land Cruisers always work no matter how hard you use them.
TFL y'all need to take Land Cruiser to Utah to Moab like y'all did with the Ram Rebel
Those snorkels are hideous looking, and most will never use them!
Land Rover is the kind of truck you love or hate. It’s a shame you don’t have the TD5 diesel though. Even today I like the interior of the Disco, and it has such a commanding feel about its driving position.
Just got here and I still hope Andre is going to reference old town road
I can't get enough Land Cruiser videos!
@:37 Seconds in. Thanks Tommy. Tipping my hat for TFL paying attention to my comments and incorporating them into your shows. :) LRD vs LRC in this contest, in all respects the LRC would be my choice.
Please review more older off road vehicles! There are so many great off road vehicles that we drive every day that are worthy of you're videos! Y'all are awesome! Keep the great content coming!
I love your Touareg. Compare between Touareg and Land cruiser
some bits got loose? so glue / use screws and fix it, propably you could do it.
I'm surprised to not see skid plates under the Landrover.
Lmao the cruiser you had to greatly modify. The rover comes like this and you need nothing!
Please do a off road test of a new/ newer Toyota Land Cruiser 150 GX.
As stock it has air suspension, hi/low gears, diff lockers center and rear, Multi Terrain Select, Crawl Control (this is AWSOME), Hill Descent Control, a lot of torque and good ground clearance (specially with the air suspension all the way up).
You guys go to Africa and climb hills with full of mud. That when u know the real deal at off-road.
These guys are SO GOOD AT SHOWCASING A VEHICLE FOR RESALE EVERY VIDEO... But they ruin it in the same video by their "real world reviews"😁😁😁
Great video guys, keep it up!
Little bit of glue on the gauge cluster and you will be golden!
Haha.. u didn't show the cruiser towing the LR home😂😂
You guys should get an FJ Cruiser. Also nice 615 hat Tommy!
Love how this land cruiser looks. Looks so good with upgraded wheels and tires.
You don’t even need low range for that first section. My Honda Accord would do it.
I love that Land Rover.
been in a 18year old land cruiser prado that charted 350k mileage & still going strong but no falling parts like shown in this landrover
I’ve watched a few of their off-road battles between rigs. What I don’t understand is why they never air down beforehand? Fully aired tires when trail riding is completely unrealistic.
How do the BFG tires on the Toyota do in the rain? They're my top choice when I upgrade soon but have heard they can be a little slick in rain. Thanks!
Here's my experience and answer to my own question 2 years later. I had the same tires on my 2015 Silverado and didn't have problems in rain. I'd heard the same thing about them but never slid around. Can't say for the full time 4x4 but as long as you slow down in the rain it should be fine.
Obligatory missing centre caps on the Disco 2 stock alloys wheels😂
We actually turned one of those into a defender monster truck!
The H2 would of been a nice vehicle to use in this comparison also, since they competed with each other back in the day.
A new Land Cruiser is $76K while an Escalade is $64K on cars.com. While a 2009 with less than150,000 miles the LC is $26K and a Escalade is $17K. A new LX570 3-row is $92K while a 2009 is $27K.
So the LC drops $50K and the Escalade only drops $48K. Toyota LC is not luxurious and should not have that depreciation compared to another luxury marque.the LX is more like a luxury vehicle in it's high depreciation of $65 in last decade.
Your argument is COMPLETELY fallible---You lost when you EVEN tried to compare an Escalade to an LC...And the LC is luxurious, just not an S-class or Rolls Royce....Luxury doesn't have just one level...Gear heads know this.
@@freedomrider266 not at all. See this week's Car & Driver and review of the LC. More farm tractor than luxury.
See the Escalade to see luxury compared to Lexus today!
What's the saying? If you wanna go any where in the world get a land rover but, if you want to come back get a land cruiser.
while the land cruiser will get stuck in the kids puddle, the land rover will actually take you some cool places.
I work on these things daily and the land rover is rugged AF
Still take the Land Cruiser EVERY day over ANY rover....
Not sure if it's been done, but you guys should do a comparison LC vs Rebel.
Interesting, IFS vs IFS...
Awesome Video you Guys..
🍻😎🍻
In the time TFL have had the discovery how many miles have you guys added?
What issues have you had too please?
Land rovers are great "if you keep up with the maintenance '
What you don't say is that the maintenance is a full time hobby unless you leave it in the garage.
Hey TFL crew and Tommy specially... I have a very good aux fan I can have to keep Rover cool or any other project.. lmk. Be going to a good cause and my favorite bunch of dudes☮️ lmk
Can easily run it on a switch. And it's got two speeds. One quiet and one that's just full blast... I'll install it even for free if I can come down and meet you guys..
*** You can pre vet me lol 😂😜 I'm just trying to be any part of TFL that I can guys. GODSPEED.. look forward to hearing from you guys ! That you all for what you've done for my life as well.. can get into more detail in person or in correspondence . Ttyl TFL
The trucks aren't the issue, it's the drivers?
sigh. I was hoping you guys wouldn't use crawl control. reviewers always just straight to it without really giving ATRAC a chance. It's just like the Land Rover, You gotta stay in it for it to work. Its not that I have anything against crawl control, but we all know it works by this time. And yeah, I know people would complain if you didn't use it, but I would like to see a 200 series review or 4runner review where they didn't jump straight to crawl control, which is the way most people actually use these.
I'm not sure if the lc200 pre 2012+ have atrac. Just a center diff lock and crawl control. Can u confirm that all LC200 have atrac? I own an lc200 2011 not sure if we have atrac.
@@stithis most 100 series and all 200 series have atrac, but unlike the 4runner and Tacoma you don't turn it on, it just is on in 4 lo
@@PatrickRich I'm with you on using crawl control as a last resort...but I think they're just showcasing the features it has over the land rover...we both know that land cruiser couldve made it up with a little more momentum actually.
@@stithis I get it. Like said, I think people would be mad if they didn't...but...its just a little boring. We know it works, but thats not how most people are driving these. People I know with 200 series may never have once turned it on outside of dabbling with it right after they bought it. Crawl is just atrac after all, just with a different logic. Just drive the thing.
Andre s is the best on this channel...no ego,,,good job brother,,, he does not try to show off ,,,and if it was up to him he would tell the truth in relation to all the crap support from advertisers ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,others please start talking about the reliability of cars ,,,, your hiding info...
NOTHING compares to a Land Cruiser NOTHING!!
Innit
the land cruiser bumper needs to be changed. it looks like a base model and its not in a good way
Yeah but apparently the snorkel had a higher priority 🤔
I'm okay with what they've done its just.. the back is ok the sides are good but man the front looks cheap
they should atleast do some bumper addons just to give it character
they are going for the "OEM" TRD look but that bumper is just a let down
An Aussie friend of mine always says “if you want to go out in the Bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to make it back, take a Land Cruiser!” I agree.
Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello. Now Andrei and Tommy!
This is a ligth road for a All Terrain vehicle test , even with my Subaru , cross there without problem
I love your videos but I truly feel like a Subaru Forrester could do all the off-road in most of them. I would love to see you step it up on some harder trials
Rover wins 100% I live in WV and off roading is in our blood, and these rovers have made it farther than any vehicle I’ve ever seen. I’ve driven mine up a supper muddy loose terrain up a sever steep hill (I seriously thought I was going to die and flip over) and my rover didn’t get stuck once. I’ve had mine nearly completely under water and it still move like I’m on a regular road. Basically out of all my vehicles I have a Ford Explorer, Lincoln Navigator, Land Rover and my fiancé has a Subaru Impreza (hahaha burn) and we would rely on my rover if we needed to go to hell and back. They say it’s comparable to a Jeep! People are on crack! Jeeps do not have any air suspension or anything so why ppl compare them to the rover is beyond me
OK, you need to get out more...The ENTIRE rest of the world will take a Land Cruiser over a Rover ANY day...And that especially includes Australia, South Africa, South America, etc..., where off roading is vastly more difficult than WV, no offense intended...It's one thing to be a fan boy/girl, but pick on something other than a Land Cruiser...That's like trying to argue that Tony Romo was a better QB than Tom Brady----no experienced off road individual is buying that argument.
I passed a wrangler doing cheesy crap like you last week, he was taking his sweet time on a hill I passed him he showed up at the lake an hour later,
Bit of a lame off roading challenge but i still really enjoyed it, good presenters and production. Just would have liked to see a bit more tricky off roading, perhaps some mud etc
How come you guys never bring up A-TRAC when talking about the Land Cruiser's off-road features? It's arguable the best off-road feature on many 4wd Toyota's and Lexus' trucks and SUV's other than 4Runner's and Tacoma's like the 200-Series/LX 570 and GX460's.
Luke Conroy And FJCRUISERS
Well, what's the best off road feature on 4runners and Tacomas?
Freedom Rider They have it all, rear locker a trac, multi terrain select, kdss is an option if you want it. They just lack the V8 and 6-Speed which is nice in the GX which is on the same frame. I was just pointing out that since the GX 460 and the Land Cruiser/LX 570 don’t offer rear locking differentials, ATRAC is a very crucial feature in off road scenarios and deserves a mention.
Tommy still suffering the effects of his collaboration video with engineering explained.
Feels like they had better quality trucks back then. Obviously the technology has advanced and ther trucks look amazing but like the components and Truck’s reliability has taken a down hill. 🤷🏻♂️
The Land Cruiser is STILL extremely reliable, durable and over-engineered....
Great video
What PSI did you both air down to?
Can you PLEASE find somewhere more challenging to do your 4x4 test/comparisons. Thanks.
6:30 fail for Toyota. 9:30 fail for Toyota (lifted/modified too) - get used to body and frame dents in a toy - and that one had 2” OME lift, not aired down because he might have been framed
Can you PLEASE find somewhere more challenging to do your 4x4 test/comparisons. Thanks.
I'm sure the Touareg would have enjoyed coming along on this trip...
You should do this on truth or dare.
That was my thought right off as well. 2.0 is more of a challenge.
Next time come and take my Rover for a test!! It will be fun 😁🙌🏽🙌🏽
Itl break down
@@hitchy0755and... there's always this jerk that talks crap towards land rover owners
Are you happy with the OME BP-51 suspension upgrade? I'm looking to upgrade my 2008 LC ad was looking at your set up. Can you tell me which 2" set up you put on your LC? Any recommendations where to buy at a reasonable price? Thank you
You should have left the cruiser as it was even with the stock tires in tires and paint job it would still climb those little hills and been more original
I like both, but Toyota all day, baby.
You guys should try a a Chevy Trail Boss and a Toyota Land Cruise off road comparison!
They tried but the CTB keeps going into the shop for driveline and tranny repairs. Cannot keep it out long enough to get it to the trails. ;)
True. Dumb Question but when you said CTB you meant Chevy Trail Boss right?
@@frommy63yt26 Yes, he did...We love our stupid self-appointed acronyms too much...
Cool! Now compare them both to the Touareg.
(The Landcruiser would have been the winner but you vandalized it with that awful snorkel so the Land Rover wins by default)
You guys really don't understand snorkels do you? Look at the off roaders in Australia and you'll see 7 out of 10 with snorkels...It's there for CLEAN AIR, not water...Remember, function before form...You want pretty, buy a Range Rover.
@@freedomrider266 range rover and land rover are completely different vehicle. Land Rover is a brand, but Range Rover is a model, just like Series, Defender, Discovery, Freeland model
As a Discovery 2 owner, I am biased. Could that snorkel on the LC be any bigger? Butt ugly
At least it works, and lasts....
@@freedomrider266 206,000 miles and still going strong for my Disco
Ifs front for the land cruiser. Big fail on Toyota's part. Toyota has a huge disconnect as to what American owners want. Land Cruiser is so far from its original heritage really makes you wonder who is running Toyota these days. But hey its reliable.
American owners want status symbols with a cushy on road ride with all the latest tech gadgets.
That's why the solid front axle went away when the 80 was discontinued. That's why the 70 series was never brought to the US.
Even the Hummer is more reliable than the Land Rover. It’s unfortunate that GM killed the Hummer brand.
Haha center dilock for that!!
Cute snorkel
the IFS land cruiser flexes better than the D2!
My wife’s matrix can do that trail too.