Successful Spondylolisthesis Treatment Without Surgery-Live Active & Pain-Free
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2017
- "Famous" Physical Therapists Bob Schrupp and Brad Heineck present "Successful Spondylolisthesis Treatment Without Surgery. Live Active and Pain-Free. Brad discusses how he has handled his own Grade II Spondylolisthesis. Make sure to like Bob and Brad on FaceBook / bobandbrad
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Family just wanted to share some insight. I’ve found a way to decrease the pain.
1. Lose weight. Every pound adds 4 pounds of pressure on spine.
2. Change diet. I do 16/8 fasting and occasional 24 hour fasts. I also eat a lot of anti inflammatory foods and teas. Cut out processed foods completely. Multi vitamins every lunch.
3. Walk A LOT. About 5 miles per day broken up throughout the day. Avg 100 miles per month.
4. Core strength is a must and a lifetime commitment.
5: no meds. They stop the healing process. Haven’t needed them actually.
6. Lower stress.
7. Find what triggers your pain/muscle tightness. For me it’s sitting. I avoid it like a plague.
I’ve done all this and my inflammation and nerve pain are completely gone. The only thing that is bothering me right now is muscle tightness and mobility. I’m committed to beating this. There’s no way there’s people out there with worse backs and no pain. Ask questions if you have any!
how u feel nowadays?
How can u walk wen you get extreme pain shoot down left leg?
Thanks Bob & Brad, I arrived with Scoliosis all my life and the Back adjustment & Stretching videos have been a life saver. My pain level is now managed without any meds. Thank you both very much!!!
Bob and Brad, please address stomach gripping/hour glass syndrome. I’m 65 and have stomach gripped all day as long as I can remember. I now know how it has affected every aspect of my trunk physically - my walking gait, my hips, glutes, my back, my core, my standing, my sitting, my weight lifting - I’m in the process of retraining my abs properly having to retrain my glutes, quads, hams, back, my walking gait, my standing posture - so much but seeing incredible progress in my pain and mobility that I thought was JUST my spondy. Awakening improperly used muscles that have been compensating all these years has been a painful challenging process but I’m seeing great results. Thank you guys for all you do!
Living with chronic back pain from retrolisthesis and arthritis in the L4 L5 S1... thanks for the tips
brad scores a home run here. he is really giving us pearls of wisdom. thanks bob and brad. wish I was as thin as brad. maybe I would be in less pain. obesity makes it worse right?
I have been living with Spondylolisthesis for years. This is the first youtube video I have seen about my condition, especially one by a physical therapist. Weekly Physical therapy using a reformer has enabled me to avoid severe pain and surgery. However, the tools you share in this video are new and exciting for me. I am so grateful that you've shared this information. Thank you for providing this video!!!!
How's is your condition now
Can you explain what "a reformer" is? Also another great channel on here is pain free and fit/ posturize therapists out of new England he has a lot of spondy videos for strengthening. I might get his online book. See if you like his channel as well. I am looking into chiropractor care here in Iowa but don't know much except you always hear how chiros mess up your back worse which I think is not a completely true statement. I've learned there are a future ways of doing chiropractic care...
Reformer is one of pilates equipment. You lay on it (or sit, or stand, it depends) and do exercises using the resistance of metal springs
Thanks fellas! Grade 1 Spondy L4-5 here
You have helped me live with this condition without fear and my pain is down to about 2 from 9. It's taken about 6months I am so grateful.
Love the wedge!
Karla Dawn Jones How are you now sir ? I have the same thing like you .
can you advice me what are yo doing ?
can you running or play football? what is your Exercises that suit for you and thanks
@@ahmedosman3907
I have the same thing!
Are you ok now? I hope you are fine!
@@thegladiator7351 i just got back from the ortho, have the same thing but managing. Physio helps
are you completely pain free now ?
These guys make me want yo be a physical therapist.
Thank you 💟 I have degenerative grade one spondylolisthesis L3-5 with stenosis. Told by two "prominate" neurosurgeons I need fusion with rods. Constant severe pain. Used to exercise 5-6 days week, running, weight training etc. Now can barely move. Very depressed. No meds help. Multiple epidurals. Your video helped me alot!
How do I find your spondylolisthesis playlist? You guys are terrific - thank you for all you do.
Thank you guys so much! Your video's are giving me hope & I'm determined to have a positive attitude about my spondy as I learn as much as I can.😊
Скажите пожалуйста у меня по мрт диагностировали спондиллоартроз , спондилолистез со смещением 5 мм дегенеративные изменения ,
боли в копчике что делать эти упражнения можно мне делать🙏Спасибо
Just love how you both do videos that hit a problem that we all have one time or another😉.
Super tips! Thanks to Brad, I learned not to overextend on those yoga poses! Love you guys!💕
You have helped me live with this condition
As yesterday I found out I have Spondylolisthesis and this channel would be perfect THANKS 🙌🏽
Thanks Bob n Brad!!!!! So thankful for you guys!!!!!!
I injured my spine playing baseball and swinging for the fences. Swung the bat so hard I gave myself a spondylo. Bringing my knees to my chest for about 2 mins or so will bring relief during a flare up for me. Great advice here. Thanks guys!!
jeez, how are you doing now?
Yes please tell us.
Thanks for the advices
I love your stuff guys!
You guys are awesome!!!
Keep up the great work!
Keep the videos coming !
Greeting from China
Great video!
MANY THANKS FOR SHARING
Thanks for your advice.
Very nice information Sir, I never seen
Where are you guys at and how can I get an appointments? I am in allot of pain and need your help.
Awesome
Ul r so funny
Great tips... sooo practical
Love to watch ur videos
These PT exercises only exacerbated my spondy....I also have chronic fatigue. I'm at a loss.
What are some good/safe leg strengthening exercises? Or just see what your body allows, after building core muscles?
It’s one of the most painful conditions 😭thank you.
Thank you
Hi ...I wana ask ..can you please tell me where I can find this brace ? Show a link please.
Good stuff
Will you take on virtual parients?
I have this condition. It’s level one but still taking a lot of energy out of me. My biggest problem is leg pain. Usually on my sheen and ankle. Any suggestions or solutions?
Do these exercises apply to anterolisthesis ?
I been doing these exercises and I still hurt so bad. Its constant pain in my back,hips and both legs. CONSTANT never goes away.
sorry to hear that, me too. but Im overweight. if I was as thin as brad.
Hey how are you now
if its constant then your nerve is pinched
you need an xray + chiro or surgery depend on the grade
my chiro fixed the nerved from getting pinched by aligning my spine, now i dont have constant sharp pain anymore
@@loucipher7782 Hi. What did your chiro do exactly?
@@deirdremorris9234 they do what all chiro do, aligning spine structure
this reduced the pressure on the pinched nerve allowing it more headroom
you can watch how chiro at work on youtube
I KNOW this is what I have been suffering from and it has been increasing pain wise within the last year and I am a heated a yoga instructor and I believe square hips splits was the catalyst to this flare that has seemed to be so prolonged.
My question is WHOM do I see first to be diagnosed with this? What specialist?
Thank you guys this was such a breath of fresh air - I have been going to a chiropractor and just diagnosed with an anterior pelvic tilt with a distended sacrum .. but I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN it was more than this and chiropractic work has done nothing and I am a very active fit person so I need to get this figured out ASAP.
Sitting for long periods of time as a night nurse before I chose the career path of becoming an RYT I would have to bring a donut to sit all night bc the pain was so severe.
I refuse any pain medicine so holistic is my preferred method. I live in Kansas City Missouri GIVE A GIRL SOME REFFERALS!
I need some too. I have virtually zero disc spaces in my whole spine, spondylitis spondyliciosis, forward pelvic tilt, rotation both ways.
Does goin to chiropractic spinal decompression help to fix grade 2 and if so how many sessions are recommended
Not sure where I can find the products you use. Can you direct me to location.
Really nice😊
Hi Bob & Brad. Greetings From Scotland. I've just been diagnosed with L5/S1 Pars defect after 3yrs of pain. I'm hoping to avoid Surgery and give PT a proper go now I know what it is. I've watched you're other Video explaining The 3x Types. Is this Video Exercises suitable for me or would you recommend one of your other Videos? I've ended up in bed a lot with the pain when it Flares up. Many Thanks and stay safe 🏴 🇺🇸
Hey Brad, can you show us the ab exercises you do that don't hurt your spondy?
When do you use heat vs cold? Thanks.
Is sitting in a flexion position good for Spondylolisthesis and Spinal Stenosis? Thank you.
Hello, thank you guys for this video.
I have an important spondylo L5 to S1 Grade II. almost 1/3 advanced on the sacrum, do you think with theses excercices/tecniques, the glide could reverse ? Thank you so much
Hi guys, love your videos. Q: When Brad was laying over the red ball face down, and then arched his back upwards, does this motion aggravate Spondylolisthesis? ... I was recently told I have Grade 1.
Do you think that the cold immersion like the Wim Hof method could be harmful for the spondylo? Thanks! I have a spondylo but also an auto-immune disease that could be help a lot by the Cold Lake!
Any special considerations for lateral listhesis?
Any suggestions for surfers?
The pop up (going from prone position to standing) puts tremendous force and aggravates the spondy issue.
i am hoping to put off sups, boogie boards and the like for as long as i can.
thanks
Can one use a wobble chair with this condition?
What’s the brand of that black memory lumbar spine support?
We are dealing with symptoms, but can you FIX spondylolisthesis without surgery? I have a slip and it is severely compressing nerve roots for the legs, my legs are heavy and also atrophy due to less use. Besides surgery is there ANY way to bring the slipped disk or vertebra back into alignment without surgery? Can a spinal decompression machine actually increase disc size or pull it back to shape? I hate the idea of surgery and wonder if anyone has FIXED their spondy not just managed the symptoms. Plz respond 😁
I have recently been diagnosed with this condition same L4 on L5 like you. What about sitting all day long for work. Can you give suggestions for how to sit properly to support this condition and not make it worse. Thx !
Hi, ive been diagnosed with the same condition. How you feel nowadays?
If anybody reading this got grade 2 and have managed to get help can you please give me hope . I can’t go on like this forever I want to chop my leg off from it . I can no longer do anything I once enjoyed it’s been two years of constant pain will it ever get better
This video is from 6 yrs ago. It would be good to know what Brad's status is today regarding his spondylolisthesis. Are these methods still effective for him? I have severe lumbar stenosis and spondylolistesis (instable L4, L5). 3 specialists have said traditional fusion for me. Ive done the PT and stretches for over a yr, and though it's helped, legs are still going numb at times, when walking beyond a few steps.
Can I lift weights after recovering?
Hi Brad. I hope you will answer here but are you back to kneeboarding? I want to be able to get back to waterskiing, windsurfing, skiing and martial arts. Thanks.
can you please answer if your spondy is unstable...Pars fracture-how many mm
Thank you :)
Would a chiro drop table maneuver work to reposition the vertebrae so it’s aligned with the bottom one then object prolo or prp stuff in there to make sure the ligs heal in that position?
What if I have this on upper back? How do I treat this please?
I wish these guys lived locally.
Queuing in line is a nightmare. Normally in agony when I get to the start of the line. By the time I get to the checkout I am grimacing. Now losing weight and getting stronger my "vertical time" is extended from 4 minutes to about 15.
Should you wait for some time after a flare up before doing the core exercises? Currently experiencing sciatic sensations still and I'm not sure.
In my experience you should not increase core exercises after flare up but decrease or eliminate for some time.
Hello Gentleman, I can not find where to purchase that device that one of you were wearing around your waist!.. ( don’t know who’s who).. sorry..it is to stabilize you in the waist area.. I really need that!!, I would be most grateful to learn where to buy.. thanks a bunch👍🏼
What about weight-bearing exs. with spondylolisthesis? I have osteopenia and I need to strengthen bones in my hip and lower back. I am worried that the jumping exs. are bad for the spondy? And lunges?
can I use my aeroswing with spondolisthesis??
Where to get the heat back wrap
My wife is a spondy. Can she bounce on a rebounder (mini trampoline) without causing more damage?
My pain is so bad when its inflamed that I don't think Im going to make it sometimes
Bro I feel u. I think about ending it but I won't but the pain is bad.
Hang in there fellas, I’m in the same boat.
Bro... The struggle is painfully, painfully real. I can relate..
same here
Does US government help you people out financially? I hope so . I too am in the same boat..
This is the craziest thing. I had a skiing accident when I was 14 and fractured 3 lower vertebrae. When I was 17 I was diagnosed with spondylolesthesis while going to follow up doctors for pain. Didn't get the surgery and life went on. A week ago I injured my lower back enough to go to urgent care. They said it was a sprain just gave me meds and sent me along. yesterday I told my bf that I had been diagnosed with this and I wondered if it had flared up if possible. I check you UA-cam this morning and saw this and almost spot out my coffee. I couldn't believe y'all were talking about it! Thank you so much and thanks to God
How is your situation now ? Did you undergo treatment?Do you suffer from pain anymore?
@@sauravbasu8805 do you have spondyolisthesis also? i have grade 1 antero listhesis..any suggestion to cure it?
@@shubhamkaushik285 No, I had spinal stenosis and sciatic pain for which I underwent surgery ( laminectomy) in the L5-S1 region way back in 1999. I was not completely cured by the operation and the spasm still persists. After taking medicines for many years, I decided to stop because there was not much help , and all medicines have side- effects ( in my case increasing body- weight). In MRI report, it shows I have disc dessication. I do gentle stretching regularly these days and let my body heal by itself by not doing anything extreme. As I feel uneasy and pain in my back after bending my back in a certain way ( for example reading a book in a half-lying position on my stomach, like in bhujangasana), I was curious about spondylolisthesis, as the symptoms match those of mine. With degenerative changes in spine, that is possible. I have not consulted any doctor and no one has mentioned spondylolisthesis in their prescription. The last doctor I consulted was 3 years ago.
Doctors obviously know better, but my experience says one has to study and gather knowledge about their own spine and related muscles from reliable sources as much as possible, as it helps a great deal.
@@sauravbasu8805 Thank you for your reply. It wiil help me to go inn right direction.
I have spondylolisthesis grade 1 vry much pain in nerve... Only surgery is option plz suggest me
chilling in a hammock is good also
bends the back and no body pressure
Smoke hella indica and fuggetaboutit
Hi my mother 66vyrs old has got following MRI findings
grade 1 sponylisthesis of L4 over L5
Left for animal bulge of L3-L4disc is seen abutting left exiting L3 root.
Left paracentral herniation of L4-L5 disc is seen indenting left L5 nerve root
Posterior bulge of L5- S1 disc is seen abutting both S1 nerve roots.
Can you please help me or guide me whether she can feel better by doing physiotherapy exercise , or using lumbar support or back support belt ,or by using hot pack as you suggested in video.
Pl reply and let me know whether she can feel better without surgery .
I do Pilates and I have this but my dr says no Pilates because of crunches and leg lifts ... even though I say it doesn’t hurt me he said it will In the long run
I had an accident at work a year ago, I fell backwards full force with my lower back landing on a pile of hoses, I couldnt feel my legs for a few minutes. 4 weeks later got an xray and it showed L5 was pushed forward 20%. Fought workers comp for treatments but got denied, they said it was caused by DDD not the accident. Had bad sciatica and crippling pain ever since. Workers comp finally agreed to settle so I am about to go for evaluation to see if I need surgery. EDIT: Turns out surgery may be the only "fix" for me, orthopedist said I need to find a surgeon. In the meantime I found a chiropractor to get some relief.
Josh can you tell me more about the workers comp process. I have been having similar struggles
@@ericmccann21 every state is different, look into your states workers comp laws, also find a good workers comp attorney and let them handle your case, it will save you alot of troubles.
I'm trying a chiropractor that says he can fix my back with his program. It's traction, pushing and stretching, and therapy. I'm afraid to go, but I'm getting desperate
@@cmb52 please let us know how the chiropractor route goes. I'm trying to get into a back specialist clinic in my area but just feel like I'm waiting around forever for the workman's comp process or others getting the ball rolling. My case is a federally level one and it seems that must people are used to state or private claims. It really is a disheartening process. Shouldn't be this way
L5 is shifted forward no doctor have been done anything except for surgery and that was 7 years ago am 47 now and some movements are bad for me cannot even walk properly.but if i don't exercise i will be very depressed.
how often should we be doing the exercises?
At least 3 - 5 times per week.
I have lumbar spondylolisthesis in L5 S1 with pars defect, plus multilevel spondylosis in thoracic and degeneration in cervical. I'm now having numb and tingling in both legs mostly when I lay down. My doc isn't helping me...trying to say I probably have fibromyalgia with it and can't help me unless I take pills for fibro. 😳
Brad must do some strength training in order to have those guns!!
What about jobs, I got hired by Walmart to work as online grocery shopping and 8 hours on my feet seems painful after work. I began using a back brace and it helps a bit. I got an offer to work at pep boys as a technician but I am concerned. To me is depressing because I used to be active.
Same bro , either go for surgery then .
Hugs. You're not alone.
I have hypermobility syndrome and spondylolisthesis at the L5-S1. Sleeping, even with a bolster, is getting more and more painful. I don't get leg pain but lots of lower back pain. All 3 medical opinions I have received so far have told me that a fusion is my only treatment option. Any tips on sleeping better?
Go for surgery . It's only way , even I have same grade 1 . My sleeping is completely disturbing. Which I can't refresh in morning.
I found that my lack of core strength and stomach gripping was causing my lower back muscles to spasm when I did certain activities and exercises- sometimes pain at 10. I discovered I had knots in the muscles of my low back and gluteus medius - when I wall massage with tennis ball in those painful knotted areas the pain ALL goes away. (I also have spondy). Check out stomach gripping - I had no idea I’d been doing this all my life. So, core work, rehab the stomach gripping (lots of info online, yoga (no upward dog or other big extensions)and self massage has been on par with miraculous compared with the debilitating pain I’ve had. Blessings.
are there any exercises that you should not do if you have a degenerative spondylisthesis?
Assalam o alaikum i have spondylolisthes from two month and have pain in my back and neck also and tailbone pain also i m very scared about these all condition
Can you say what kind of infrared heating pad you're using? I have diagnosed spondylolethesis at L4/5. I've had to use a walker at one point when it was real bad!
This is the Thermotex Platinum. Here is the link if you're interested: www.thermotex.com/bobandbrad
@@BobandBrad Thank you so much! I appreciate it!
My Spondy and I thank you both for bringing this condition to the forefront. When I was diagnosed with Grade 1 many years ago, I cried all the way home because the Neurosurgeon told me a fusion was the only answer? A second opinion from an Orthopedic surgeon gave me the nerve pain relief I needed. Couldn’t stand for more than 2 minutes without left leg going numb all the way to the foot and excruciating pain. Because the slippage narrowed the opening for the nerve was the problem along with stenosis. It’s an unending condition to live with but I won’t give up. Still very active but unable to walk or stand for too long, like Bob. The back gets tired and hurts. I hope this helps someone else reading this because the slippage causes a narrowing for the nerve to flow thru. Thanks again for all your tips! 💕Annmarie
I have Grade 2 Spondy and it acts up when I sit somewhere for too long or when I stand for too long. My doc told me to get an mri and I did, after results i was refered to a ortho surgeon bc of possible nerve damage. What helps you with your nerve pain? Ice helps for a little bit but doesnt last along with ibprofen and naproxen. Ive been diagnosed in 2012 and was 14 and im not 22 and im in the worst pain than I have ever been and im more scared. Any tips will help. Thank you
Jordan Clark, how are you doing now?
CR Victory thanks for asking. Walking helps strengthen my back. I still live with pain but it’s manageable. I enjoy getting outside and doing the lawn and trimming bushes and such but it takes its toll on me but nothing that a good nights rest won’t cure and a couple of ibuprofen 🤨. Rest when it bothers me and work like hell when it doesn’t...lol. Have a good day!
Has it stayed as a grade 1 all these years for you?
@@rogeliobarraza1772 yes and I do a lot of core strengthening and rest when it hurts 😊
What if you have a hemangioma where you have this problem on the spine? I feel so helpless 😞
That's thing
I really enjoy watching your videos. You guys give good, practical advice. I got my PT degree from UW-Madison (many years ago) and live on the East Coast, so your accents bring back great memories of Madison.
I understand they say to stop activities that make it worse. But I’ve been a runner for years. It’s hard to stop running when it’s been something I enjoyed doing for so long. What is your advice at the point where you’re extremely limited even walking is difficult. Do you recommend surgery?
Brother I did long research if okey without activities that's okey then, just sitting at home . N if you want life back surgery is only way. Even I can't run walk long . Grade1
@@samippudke How are you now? Did you had the surgery
I was diagnosed with this 5 years ago due to a slip n fall. Level 2.
Простите за 5 лет вы лечились ?Какое сейчас ваше состояние🙏
@@evelinaharutyunova3314а у вас как дела, Эвелина?
I have this too (Spondylolisthesis grade 2 just like Brad). I just found out a few months back so this video was very helpful. Thanks.
As a side note, I saw you struggling with the pronunciation again so I thought I'd tell you my new trick in remembering it. The word "LIST" is in the middle of the word. I did add another "T" but, that's so I could emphasize the word "list". Here's how it looks:
Spondy-lo-LIST-thesis.
Anyhoo...
Annettesmusic thx for the pronunciation tip... I said it aloud 4x to cement it in my mind AND on my lips!
Nice. And thanks for letting me know Sage. I struggled with that word for months. P.S. Like your towel idea. And not one stitch has to be made!
Annettesmusic Karla Dawn Jones How are you now sir ? I have the same thing like you .
can you advice me what are yo doing ?
can you running or play football? what is your Exercises that suit for you and thanks
Annettesmusic Hey m also suffering from Spondylolysthesis with osteoporosis but not a single treatment gives me relief from pain. M just 29 yrs old sometimes the lower back pain very worsen after doing physical activities. So i can understand ur condition. Take care...
Wow this is very smart! This was so helpful thank you for sharing.
i sneezed in the toilet while sitting and bending forward, it hurts like hell all of sudden, now i have this spondy thing wth
For two years Iv had constant pain I’m taking painkillers every four hours around the clock . Even washing a cup brings me to tears . Night time the leg pain stops me from sleeping . I can’t stand still for even a minute I just don’t know what to do . Nobody seems to be taking my pain serious it’s like giving birth daily the pain in my leg is just to much to take and the pain is spreading
You qualify for surgery judging by your description of pain. Have you done it yet?
Anyone with spondy using a PEMF mat?
What size is that exercise ball if I wanted to get one from Amazon?
And also, do you think swimming help of not?
I’m in uk, had spinal fusion operation 1999 at 23 years old. Had further spinal trauma 2011. I try to be active but most day to day activities cause me pain. I’ve tried washing my car....excruciating . Hanging up washing (we don’t use dryers here) is painful. Standing more than a couple of minutes is sore. I take 30/500 cocodamol x8 a day. Lidocaine patches too. I’d like to cut back the opiate painkillers , is that possible?
yes.... exercise
@@oskarbartosewicz89 I use an exercise bike even though i have issues with my ankles. It’s pretty painful back pain after a few minutes. Been unable to see a physio due to covid.
What about using an inversion table? Helpful or harmful?
My partner was told by a PT that inversion table can be used, but only on a slight angle -- not all the way inverted.
@@marthapettengill8343 Простите не подскажите что такое Инверсионный стол🙏Спасибо
Sir I want to know, can I do back extension exercise in case of spndyolisthesis of L4 over L5.
Usually in this situation, extension exercises are not advised.
i have a pars defect in my L5 is it also known as spondylolistisis?
That's spondylolysis
Do you have symptoms ?
How are you now?
Respond please.
My pt and my chiro had no idea what this condition was when I told them I had it. Side note, is it true press ups are not good for this ?
what's a press up ?
jerry manning. When you lay face down on the floor. Then you kinda do a push up except you keep your pelvis on the floor.
thanks! yeah, that can stretch the spine for good or bad for sure.
They are important as are back strengthening exercises, however you must be very careful with anything that bends you backward with spondylolisthesis. It's kind of the opposite P.T. from a bulging disc
Hi...I can't find your recommended back brace....could you send a link?....Thanks, t
Worst advice for this condition is a back brace. Build and strengthen back and core muscles is the only answer.
There are no answers in pain killers either.
@@ricko9879 YOU absolutely RIGHT ⏯️⏯️⏯️
Standing and walking is when my feet tingle. I don't see how walking is good for spondylolisthesis. While walking, I think gravity puts pressure on my spine, compressing it. It is horribly uncomfortable to walk with tingling feet.