Spondylolisthesis, 3 Best Pain Stoppers & Guide To Pain Free Living
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Brad and Mike discuss the best 3 pain stoppers for living pain-free with spondylolisthesis.
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0:00 Intro to Video
0:28 Song
0:33 Spondylolisthesis explained
1:58 Symptoms of Spondylolisthesis
2:55 Avoid this stretch
3:06 How to get diagnosed
3:30 How to get comfortable
5:52 First thing to work on - walking
8:25 Where to find more info
8:39 Outro
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If you are interested in learning more on how Brad treated his own Spondy, check out our Spondylolisthesis playlist here ua-cam.com/play/PL8l32k1r15l44wBl_S_q0QOKGQlqcujvo.html
Pronouncing it is a mouthful! Hmm, I think I will ask my doctor about this, I have all those symptoms, but because I have Erythromelalgia, I use a wheelchair most of the time, I don't have too much trouble.
Thanks guys for giving us such a great resource for spondylolithesis! I was diagnosed at age 12 and I wish I had had something like this as a reference back then, instead of having to figure it all out piecemeal over the past 25 years. I can also attest that it is possible to get back to living a normal life with less pain by working on strengthening core muscles and improving mobility/flexibility. I work full time as an RN and my patients are always shocked when I tell them I've had back problems for so many years because, in their words, "you don't look like you have back problems!"
Thank you for sharing
Excellent exercises. Thanks 💖
I have grade 2 spondy and do these and more core exercises 2-3 times per week and rarely have big pain flare ups any more. I did make the mistake of trying chair yoga class, too much rotation and I was n bad pain for 5 days. I don’t use a back cushion, I have tried several. But a use a seat cushion now especially in the car/truck the bouncing hurt but the cushion is very helpful. When my back flared up last year, sitting in church pew was difficult. I use a standard pillow between my knees to ankle when side sleeping and use under my knees when on my back. Keep up with the exercises really help. We purchased a basic massage table on Amazon for home to do these exercises, as it was hard to do them on the floor due to knee and back arthritis. I’ve watched all the B&B videos. Thanks for all the help! 🥳👏🌷
Glad to hear you are doing so well!! Thank you for sharing all of this! Very helpful!
Thank you so much for this video! I will try the exercises and walking technique. And will watch the other videos💚
Great to hear, happy we could help!
You not only helped. You gave me hope💚
LOVE all the Spondy videos! I’ve been looking everywhere for the Kebado back support and can’t find it anywhere. Do you have any suggestions for another brand?
Cheers!
I have spondylitis, and never really understood exactly what it was until now! Thank you!
This is not spondylitis! The root word spondylos means spine. All the various "spondy***" conditions are spinal problems. It's means inflammation. Spondylitis means spine inflammation. What they are talking about here are vertebrae that are out of alignment causing pain. You can have both but they are very different problems treated differently.
@@renel7303 , thank you. It seems as though I didn’t proofread before posting. I do have Spondylolisthesis.
Happy we could help explain it!
Thanks for the info. I have the same as you Brad.
Sorry to hear that!
I really enjoyed watching you guys. I get so much information. I suffer from chronic back pain.
Make a shielding box, 10 pain to 0 in 2 minutes. (at least It works for my adheasive aracanoiditis pain flare ups)
Glad we could help
I just got diagnosed with Spondylolysis today and hope this works
I have to share an unexpected side effect of forefoot walking! I just started practicing after your video a few weeks ago and I walk commute to work every day. It is about 1.3 miles. My mood is better! Same walk, same distance, same time of day, same destination, but forefoot walking I am calmer! So weird, but maybe that low grade back-pain from heel striking was making me cranky! Thought I'd share! If you're a cranky pants after a walk, you may have back pain! but you are right, it takes practice! I survived a TBI and had to relearn to walk, so UNlearning heel strike has been a bit of a challenge, but I figure we get added neurological bonuses ;) thank you guys as always
Thank you for sharing!!
Hi Bob and Brad, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I have recently been diagnosed with spondy via x-ray. I have all the typical symptoms.
Do I need to avoid that backstretch for the rest of my life?
Can you guys re-tackle this again but with special attention to Anterior Pelvic Tilt (APT)? It seems like people with spondy also has APT but they're not aware about it. So, what to address first, and how to address it? Or can it be done/solved at the same time?
Also, I was expecting that an inversion table would be mention in this video. Can you include it as well if it works with people that have spondy and APT?
Omg! Amazing video. I will be watching all of them! Thanks! Grade 1, L5 here with anterior pelvic tilt. Age 37.
can i ask how you had your pelvic tilt accurately diagnosed?
Great to hear! Happy to help
Great video, thank you! Two questions, how do you get this condition? Is there any exercise that causes it? And, can you recover from it or it’ll be there always and you just do pain management?
Great pronunciation guys 👍
Thanks!!
Mine is at L5-S1 (L5 slipped forward). Degree 1. MRI confirmed stenosis. Most of this video is me: when I was at my worst, even walking 1/2 of a mile caused stabbing glute pain. Now I can walk 7 miles comfortably.
One difference: doing some *mild* McKenzie press ups (in moderation) makes it feel better. But mostly, i avoid extension.
Great job guys! A pleasure to watch as always!
Happy to hear it!
This is great information. The exercises are great. If you don’t have an advanced case. For advanced cases I believe only surgery will help. I started having spondy and DDD at age 25. Nobody could figure out how this happened. I was very Active and no known trauma. Mine was a grade 3 and pretty serious. I decided to have a spinal fusion and laminectomy at age 28 after seeing different specialists and orthopedic surgeons and trying every treatment and exercise there is without success. I will give the wedge a try because sleeping can be a struggle.
Thank you for sharing and watching!
What was the result after the fusion? If you're still having trouble sleeping does that mean surgery was a failure?
Hello I love your information is your old partner doing ok we have not seen Bob and we don’t know if Bob is ok … thank you
Bob is doing well. He is still with us in the studio for most of the videos working behind the scenes, and he will pop in here and there in some of the videos. Thank you for your concern!
I was diagnosed with spondylosis and herniated disk. Can I do exercises for either herniated disk and spondylosis?
Thank you. This is the first time I've heard anyone recommend shoes without a built-up arch. My favorite shoes most of my life (even before injuring my back at age 14) have no arch. Anyone I ever discussed it with thought I was nuts.
Those crunches were difficult for me to do even 100 lb thinner. Any suggestions for alternatives?
We will check into alternatives!
Goodnight from Maryland
Goodnight from Key West.
Hope you had sweet dreams!
Great video guys. I have had Spondylolisthesis since about 1993 and I am now 64 years old. I struggle with sleeping at night due to back pain, are there any tips on how to relieve this or do I need to sleep with the wedge? Will strengthening my core and lower back make a huge difference? Keep up the good work.
Strengthening never hurts and if you haven't found another way to sleep better, we would suggest trying the leg wedge. It helps a lot.
I'm 50 and struggle with it a lot. I'm casual employed in Australia with no sick pay. When my back goes on me I can't walk for ten days...every job hurts, can't get disability...how do U find it impacts you please?
I have grade 2 spondylolisthesis L5 S1 after i fell on a pile of big hydraulic hoses at work 3 years ago. Injury aggravated DDD, also have L3 L4 L5 bulging disks, spondylitis and scoliosis on my most recent xray that developed since the injury. In constant pain, crippling sciatica in tears some days. Nothing helps. Tried everything outside of surgery. Cant take it anymore.
I didnt know I had this until last week. Ive always gone to a chiro who used a clicker adapter.. didnt feel much pain.. i really dont have much.. this new guy is hands on. Which is better? I have felt sore since i had hands on work
Whatever causes you pain, we would recommend against
Hello, Guys. Newly diagnosed with Spondy. Also comparing the fixes , that is Medial Branch Ablation v. Surgical . My question (as a new viewer)---have you produced a video(s) on the effectiveness of the former v the latter ? Of course I'm leaning towards the simpler ablation treatment, though it needs to be repeated every 6 to 9 months. Yes, it may not be as effective as the surgery but I'm trying ablation because ablation requires less in the way of caregiving services. A single patient here. Input from your experience would be much appreciated. Richard in Atlanta.
I am 33.. recently I have been diagnosed with spondylolisthesis l5-s1. I feel irritation when I sleep on my stomach. Can you tell me what moves should I avoid.
Brad, just had MRI, chronic bilateral L5 spondylolysis resulting in grade 1 spondylolthesis of L5-S1 and moderate to severe left and severe right L5-S1 foraminal stenoses. When bending backwards while standing the shooting down the back of leg pains go away. Watching the video you say the back bending is a no no?
Have had back pain for quite some time, just one day of strengthening exercises for strengthening & shortening the piriformis & almost immediate results. I was stretching for weeks! Still have some discomfort but will continue to do the exercises the shorten the muscle until the pressure is off my sciatica.
My next problem is my calf muscle is knotted up from a few months of off-and-on sciatic problems, causing numbness, cramping, pain down that leg. Do you guys have suggestions for that? Affects of sciatica on legs?
Thank you so much
Magnesium lotion or spray on leg and shower after 20 or so minutes! Works great!
Glad to hear you got your back pain under control! here is a link to several videos that may help with your legs: www.youtube.com/@BobandBrad/search?query=sciatica%20legs
Tell me about the pillows for sciatic nerve pain, and costochondritis, 🥺
Are you referring to the lumbar support and the leg wedge? The links are in the description to both of those.
@@BobandBrad thank you
I’m 27 Army infantry vet, I have it and trust me everyone: exercise can get rid of the pain almost completely. Movement and strength
Thanks for the inspiration!!
I see. alot of men saying this but as a 54 yo small female, lumbar bone are smaller. I have osteopenia and some of the moves to the upper back in the crunches might be risky? Plus we have smaller muscles and a harder time building muscle than men.
Same for lateral spondylolysthesis??? Mine was a weight lifting injury. I thought I’d die it hurt so bad.
Yes you can use these as well
Is it safe to do light weightlifting from a seated position?
Are the crunch exercises okay to do if you have DDD? Scoliosis? Spondy? Disc bulge at L5,6? Back pain drives me nuts. I love the wedge with icing. I have pretty bad sciatica which is worse with lying down.
So ive been seeing a chiropractor that was doing manual adjustment.. pushing slightly down on my back.. i found i was in more pain than i ever was with an adapter tool method.. is it necessary at all to have my lower back adjusted? And is a chiropractor who works on my hamstring.. knees.. buttock sciatica just as good as a physical therapist?
A walking boot caused mine and I have a pars defect on my L5. I have not played sports or lifted weights, jogged, etc in 3 years. My hamstrings are so tight - I can’t extend to 90-100 degrees when lying down. Haven’t been in the floor in a year.
Very sorry to hear that
I have spondylolisthesis, spondylolysis, DDD, and osteoarthritis. I had to have fusion surgery and a lamenectomy due to the 2 herniated discs rubbing on my spinal cord (I actually had it done twice as my hardware loosened after my first surgery, and they ended up doing a bone graft as well). Anyway, I did the leg lift with the ball in therapy to strengthen my core. I was told to NEVER do crunches or sit ups as those exercises do more harm to the back than any good for the abdominals! There are so many better exercises to do that will not cause damage to the back. I used to do a lot of crunches when I was younger, and now I’m wondering if that is what furthered the damage to my back. Just a thought.
Thank you for sharing
Did you ever find better exercise alternatives? I think when men list alternatives they don't consider women's issues.
Do these recommendations apply to someone with thoracic spondylolisthesis ? Are there any differences or additional recommendations?
Please make a video for people having both spondylosthesis and multiple disc bulges at the same time. How can they treat both issues at the same time because if one does extension exercises the spondylosthesis gets worse but the discs get better and if flexsion exercises then the spondylosthesis gets better but bulged discs get worse.
I'm in the same situation - did you find anything that worked for you?
I had the second cushion you showed and used it in the car. It was useless for me, I do better with nothing behind my back while driving.
They say I have spondy. But they prescribed cobra / press ups . Usually doesn’t hurt . Helps sometimes. But there are times it hurts . What should I do then ? Maybe mine is shifted the other way ?I also have a bulging disc at l5s1 and flexing hurts . Can’t do that . Thank you 😊
There are too many terms and my spine has multiple curvatures, my worst symptoms stem from my bottom lower disc (one above sacrum) towards the inner part of my stomach and my sacrum pointing up like a tail, could you guys make a video for the opposite spine position of this one?
I have added this to our to do list!
@@BobandBrad appreciate it
I'm in so much pain doing exercises is so hard. Rfa is the next step for me. But surgery is in my future. Pain is unbearable every day.
I’m with you. The 24/7/365 constant pain wears on the mind.
What to do if you have much worse symptoms than you ?
Wow! I've had 'spondy'
for nearly 20 years. I NEVER KNOW that its possible for the body to 'eat' the disks. Geeeee.
(Talk about adapting?!) 😳
We hear you!
Difficult problem here. I have this and also some really knarly bone spurs bilat in the same area. I wake up with sciatica frequently. Back issues put me in a recliner for 8 to 10 years, as well as sleeping in it at night. It caused atrophy of stomach muscles which caused a ventral incarcerated hernia. Surgery with complications to repair the hernia resulted in a 16 inch midline vertical incision. This will need re-repair about every 18mos or so, so abdominal strengthening is very limited. How do I strengthen my core when I have a 10lb lifting limit for both conditions. HELP!
Here are a few you can try: ua-cam.com/video/A533H16FNNA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/r4VjQ9GumWs/v-deo.html
Hey bob I have seen vedio I am feeling dizzy from many days it means its not bppv I also have pain in ears is this estube dsyfunction please tell
Try taking Vit D and K . I saw a video by Dr Berg on this a couple of days ago, being low in D can cause ear crystals and ear crystals cause dizziness.
Can you please go into more details on the shoes? I wear very flexible soled shoes. They are so comfortable, and i feel like im walking on a cloud. However, a physical therapist said i needed arch support or it would continue to contribute to back pain. She also said any shoe that bends like that (my shoes and the shoe you bend in the video) is bad for backs. Is what she is saying inaccurate for someone with spondy? I am skeptical of a handful of physical therapists ive been passed around to because i get the impression they don't have much experience treating someone with spondy. Only one PT actually recommended the specific exercises you mentioned in this video. The others just gave me generic strengthening exercises.
They recommended zero drop shoes in passing, but those specifically I would be wary of. I wear minimalist shoes myself, and the process of switching to them requires foot and ankle strengthening exercises as well. If you just switch shoes without doing any of the exercises, you will likely wind up with an injury or plantar fasciitis. I had a pair of zero drop shoes, but I gave myself a stress fracture in my foot due to the lack of arch support. If minimalist or zero drop shoes are something you are interested in, I recommend looking up some videos on heel drop and the debate on minimalist shoes versus zero drop shoes. It's been much debated on UA-cam in the past few years, and there really isn't a consensus that I can tell. Some people swear by one or the other, and there are people who have gotten injuries from both. Ultimately, as someone who has been living with spondylolisthesis for 25 years, I can tell you that your back will be the decider for you in the end. As much as I love my minimalist shoes, I will wear traditional athletic shoes for my 12 hour shifts because otherwise my back is in bad shape by the end of the day. If your current shoes are working for you, it might not be worth risking upsetting anything. On the other hand, if you are having any problems with back pain, or really any pain from the lower back down, it might be worth looking into changing things up.
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I have stage 2 Spondylolisthesis and DDD with 2.5mm instability. I’ve been through PT and perform my exercises daily. They’ve helped immensely. However, I’m a golfer and my conditions are always aggravated. Steroid shots worked for 5 weeks, but once I golfed, I started to have symptoms again. My physicist said because of the instability, and because I’m a golfer, I should consult a surgeon. I’m only 64. Do you have any advice for golfers?
Stop golfing!
Golf is not good for backs!
I have spondy and extention doesn't necessarily make mine worse...Standing and walking does though
What size ball is this?
How can I sit to work on laptop, while I have Spondylothesis
Is this the same as a compression fracture?
No, they are different
I don't know what that is but my lower and mid back hurt like hell and are incredibly stiff since I had my last baby. Literally I feel like I'm 80 when I wake up so .. this would help
You can certainly try it and hopefully it will help you. If not, please email our customer service email at customerservice@bobandbrad.com and we can send you more videos to try
I was diagnosed with anterolisthesis. How are the different? Will the same exercises help?
Mee too. I can’t figure out flexion or extension that makes it worse.
Anterolisthesis is same as spondylolisthesis. It just means the veterbra slipped forward so same exercise should applied
BOOM 🤯💥
Thank you so much for watching!
As I practice walking with my forefoot it feels like I’m walking in high heels but in a flat shoe . Not sure if I’m doing it correctly?
Sounds like you are doing it right. I’m of the generation that was taught to run using a heel strike stride, “because it’s faster” (actually, it’s not, but Nike told people it was in oder to sell their sneakers with lots of heel cushion). Took me about 3 months to re-learn running with a mid strike, and it felt exactly like what you describe. Hoka makes a sneaker with zero drop and extra tread under the ball of the foot, it pretty much forces a mid-strike stride, and was what I used to re-learn my running technique.
Your achilles tendon actually shortens over time if you are always wearing shoes with a "heel drop." They did not explain this at all in the video, but there are many good videos on heel drop and the debate on zero drop versus minimalist shoes if you are interested in the specifics and techinicalities. The more time you spend walking around barefoot, in socks, or in minimalist shoes, the more your feet, and your achilles tendon, will get accustomed to it. Doing some foot and ankle stregthening and flexibility exercises can be helpful too. Most resources I have looked at recommend walking around your house barefoot or in socks as much as possible if you are trying to switch to forefoot walking/running. You will probably find that you naturally switch to midfoot or forefoot walking simply because you will be able to feel your heel striking the floor and feel that it's harder on your feet and back than you realize when you are wearing shoes.
It can feel very odd when you first start walking like this if you are not used to it
I think I have it... when i sit against a wall, knees 90 degrees ish, hands on my thighs, i push down and i always hear a click and feel better....
Hopefully you can keep the pain away with these suggestions!
Is that similar to ankylosing spondylitis?
I was going to ask the same thing. I didn't hear them mention anything about the vertebrae fusing together though.
No. Spondylitis is an inflammatory condition. This is vertebrae that are out of alignment and possibly squeezing the spinal cord. Treated differently. If you get x-rays done you might find you have both. Extra joy. I have 3 or 4 places with retrolisthesis. Instead of slipped forward they are slipped backwards. Not as common, just as painful. Itis means inflammation. Spondylos means spine so any condition with spondy in the name is a spinal condition.
@@Kathleen253 read my reply to WW. You can have both. Also you'll be happy to hear that not everyone has their spine fuse from Ankylosing Spondylitis. Mine has been happy to just toss up a few bone spurs.
They are different but similiar
Здравствуйте. Можно вылечить спондилолистез L5-S1 2.3 без операця?
Thanks for watching!
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I cannot get up off the floor 😮
Does anyone’s butt burn by a nerve after sitting in a chair for awhile? I got an epidural a year ago (for the 2nd time) and man he must have hit a nerve - both my upper butt cheeks started hurting when he injected me. That didn’t happen the first time. Same pain when I sit in a chair.
Yes I had this kind of burn constantly with or without injections. It was pinched nerves in my case.
We are so sorry to hear this !
That's what my x-ray looks like basically.
Sorry to hear that
Why not go for surgery, if you have no disk surely that can be good having bone on bone. No matter how strong your core is its not going to separate the vertebrae affected! I have grade 1-2 Spondy from a bilateral pars defect and have been advised by the consultant to consider surgery.
Brad thank you for doing the Lord's work.
Happy to help
Ahaan...we see you boys pronounced SPONDYLOLISTHESIS correctly. Now let's see you two write a THESIS on OSCILLOCOCCINUM 😁
LOL
@@BobandBrad 🙂
Bob, Brad, Mike! What about cervical? Sincerely, a couple of neglected cervical vertebrae who aren't getting along too well. Yes, we have been to radiology and talked to a doctor, and we still can't quite get together.
wouldn't like my ankles hanging down off that foam thing
thanks for your feedback
Waste of time
Band aid exercises