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Do not watch this. It is worse than Rings of Power or Witcher: Blood Hunt or Willow or any number of modern remakes. The few reviewers that I watch that have seen even two episodes say the show makes them "physically ill". It's got a lot in common with She Hulk: no plot, no real jokes, no characters. It is an empty husk that exists as a vanity project for creatively bankrupt and talentless people who live on social media. Do not subject yourself to this. It's not worth it.
*you know im not sure witching hr is as ... stupid, racist, betrayal, jsut some queeny Rtard writing about some ex & rxping the bks* ; but it is only ep1! ...still. how cld thr be an equivalent to making Louis a black pimp instead of plantation owner? & making the child vampire a 19y who still acts like a 12yr old? it is such a mess. unmitigated. & the post ep gaslighting by said queeny (very white) runner. so. gross. & stupid! & dumb. & bad. mayfair witches isnt anything. it is still set in new orleans tho. i just want to h8 it so bad. _JC
The only thing they got right with Velma was her voice, her hairstyle and her classic sweater, outside of that they butchered these classic characters.
@@antwanjenkins6735 She's a lesbian"As Always". God, someone invent time travel already so woke garbage like this wouldn't exist! Could anyone else crawl walls too?
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to show more respect for these characters than the idiots who made...this abomination. You can change things up without being disrespectful. I will start by making Velma a pasty goth with a penchant for trap setting.
These people dont seem to care. All they seem to care about is getting their egotistical vanity project made and for people to see it, and damn the consequences.
Who Fred originally was: *Implied a rich background but remaining humble, optimistic, supportive, strategic, overall chill guy* The Fred THEY created: *The white "manly-man" kind of stereotype, small wee-wee, crazy, racist and sexist* THAT'S NOT MY FRED!
I remember in a Scooby Doo Blaire Witch special (Yes that's real) that Shaggy doesn't like being called Norville and the others poke fun at name for a bit. And the reason why he is nicknamed "Shaggy" is because of his hair. Also the fact Scooby ain't in this should be a red flag to begin with. I don't want to watch a show about a toxic and unlikable Indian Meg Griffin.
*_"How can we do Scooby-Doo in a fun and modern way?"_* Go ask the writers of Supernatural. They did an entire episode that's both a tribute and parody of Scooby-Doo, and it's one of the most beloved episodes in the entire show.
They already did the "modern" thing with Mystery Inc. Well sorta but you know what I mean, they adapted the characters and fleshed them out a bit more from what's New Scooby Doo? before it.
That doesn't work here - because as we all know the creators of this abomination don't like the original show. So all they can do is to show how bad it was in their eyes.
Dean- *exists* This Velma- You are the worst of this country, you misogynist, womanizing, toxic male, gun toting psycho. Sam- Actually my brother and I died a ridiculous number of times to save this country and the entire world but okay you have your moment.
I was looking for this comment. It's understandable if most people don't know this because "Shaggy" had been used over his real name for years. I constantly keep forgetting until I'm reminded. Lol
Velma in Mystery Incorporated was probably the sassiest and most savage version of the character so far, yet she is still a billion times more likable and interesting than Mindy's OC caricature.
Exactly they did the sassy sarcastic thing well in mystery incorporated but in this she just comes across as an unlikable bitch with a attitude problem
I will never forgive Cervone and Watson for giving her an actually good character arc in Season 1..and then absolutely forgetting that entirely in season 2.
Jesus Christ that synopsis. It reads like Fred's existence dealt horrible psychic harm to them growing up so they created this show as adults decades later to enact revenge on his fictional being.
I only ever disliked him in Mystery Inc. b/c I thought he was annoying and dense. And then I forgot about it like a normal person. Or I did... fuck you, HBO.
which is weird, because Fred always was a tongue-in-cheek stereotype of the high school jock.... he was, like, the 4th or 5th most important character in the crew.....
Harvey Birdman made fun about the "Shaggy and Scooby-Doo are on drugs" joke in a much clever and funnier way nearly 20 years ago. In fact, just watch Harvey Birdman instead.
Norville is Shaggy's actual first name. The fact that they had to use his generic 50s white boy name and not his hippy nickname is most unintentionally hilarious thing that came out of this show.
I expect him to show up in season 2 - and there will be another season just to show all the mean people on the internet that this is a success (just like CW couldn't let Batwoman go even though season 1 was already a desaster). No, he will be introduced as their last option. Just like CBS said Discovery will not show Kirk or Spock, only to bring Spock into season 2 to feed of the legacy characters.
With Scooby-Doo left out of this bs, it can't be cannon. Strange things have happened throughout the franchise but the overall continuity is impressive. I'm relieved that Scoobs is safe at home.
Based on the statement regarding Scoob’s absence, they’re likely keeping him in their back pocket for when the numbers start to tank. Of course, their version of Scooby Doo is going to be bastardized beyond recognition. I’ll honestly be surprised if he’s still a Great Dane.
Remember when we had the classic characters revamped into even more fleshed out characters in mystery incorporated cartoon? How that cartoon i watched as a kid also handled some dark topics, while still having humour for kids and and more grown ups. How that cartoon gave every character in the group a purpose? Like Fred was not only leader, but also was good with setting up traps and also was smart in action, Daphne being from high status family had extremely great social skills that most other groups lacked, while also being into karate, Velma not only was a nerd, but her character had cynical view ans snark that while striking still never crossed boundaries with others and scooby and shaggy essentially were the heart of the group and also even contributed when it mattered, while also trying their hardest to solve mysteries despite their cowardice. Like there is none of that with here. Instead of expanding the group out in interesting way this essentially shot the original and now is wearing it's fur as a coat.
Don't you just love it when those progressive and anti-racist people use stereotypes without any self-awareness, funny jokes, and charm? The black guy is now a stoner. Indian/South Asian chick is the ''smart'' one. The white guy is a ''privileged'' jackass. Daphne is Asian and her eyes are apparently racist. She's selling drugs and I don't know if it's a stereotype or not. But her mothers are cops. Cops are good as long as they're empowered women and POCs. But she is a queen bee. You will never be Regina George! The white guy is toxic because he's got a small dick. The black guy is the weak ''beta'' male. At least they're honest about how they see black men. Also, gore and sexualization because that's what counts as adult content. Puss in Boots the last wish had a drop of blood and it's 100 times more mature than this teenage edge-lord shit. It's going to be clowned by everybody. I already saw people gushing about how they love diversity, Daphne x Velma, etc. but hate the ''problematic'' elements.
Also it kinda reinforce the stereotype of Asians being pothead and drug dealer because, you know, golden triangle. Did Mindy ever self aware about this?
It definitely doesn't fit the characters, but there are actually a number of upper middle class and lower-elite kids that are massive cokeheads, so in a normal setting there's probably at least a few kids who are dealing. It's likely this is just Mindy reflecting her own high school experiences.
@@cmc5394oparva tbh most those coke heads buy and get fleeced by the poor kids since they usually don’t know the real price or don’t know how to tell the difference between dry wall and dust
I hate the term "adult-cartoon". Most of the slop these companies pump out are aimed at passive-aggressive adults with infantile problem solving skills.
Makes me wish that we get more adult cartoons that treat their audiences with respect like Invincible, Arcane, and Bojack Horseman, instead of shows that are just another Family Guy/Rick & Morty ripoffs.
@@michaelstrong5383 Actually, I don’t feel safe about Invincible at all. Considering that its most infamous scene in the comics is (spoiler below) and Amazon Prime has a bad track record in handling this stuff because they always want to portray male characters as bad guys in the situation. I’m pretty sure Mark will get ruined by the show. (Mark getting raped by a woman)
How long is it going to take for writers to understand people don’t like being insulted? I’m so tired of this trend where a film or show tries to look self aware by having some character point out whatever common trope is going on and/or making fun of the target audience who like said trope, all delivered with the subtlety and grace of a car crash. It just doesn’t work when it oozes with insecurity.
Hey you don't have to feel insulted if you share the writers/producers opinion 😁 ... their problem is that there aren't enough people who share exactly their views. But that's of course the viewers fault and not theirs ...
You don’t have to agree with someone’s point of view to be able to appreciate and enjoy their work. There’s also nothing wrong with some good satire, the original Scooby Doo series is filled with self parody. It’s laughing with you, not laughing at you. When done well, satire can be fun and endearing. If it’s meant to be taken seriously, an author can use these moments of self reflection and deconstruction to make changes that will improve their stories. The problem is when it’s done poorly, it’s neither funny or smart. Even die hard Marvel fans have started to get tired of how often the movies promise to do something different, but just end up being the same formulae with a couple of meta jokes thrown around that serve no purpose and disrupt the story’s pacing.
To answer your question: I don't understand either. I mean, sure, there are shows that do that but their makers know HOW to do it. Like Trey and Matt in "South Park". But this? I don't know, I still believe in Coexisting...like "Can't we all just try to coexist and chill a bit more?" This show does not help at all.
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 Idk I’m white but I feel like people being white are kinda afraid to voice the same opinions as non-white people, but not the kinda scummy why the producers did
@@neraslight4997 you're right. Whyte ppl are being socially opressed, which makes more and more of them too afraid to speak up about it. It's pathetic. I mean think about it. Society allows and literally encourages hatred and racism against Whyte ppl in america. And a lot of weak Whyte ppl are just kneeling down and taking it.
"What made Scooby-Doo a kid show is Scooby-Doo." I think it was a scene from the second episode but there's a little scene where a cockroach humps another cockroach. Didn't add anything, didn't advance the story, just Daphne going "Ew." Yet the talking dog is childish.
Oh yeah. Dedicating a chunk of your runtime to having cockroaches hump is fine, totally humor that only adults will be able to appreciate, but the talking dog is too much. I remember a show about a talking horse that managed to be pretty adult in its theming and writing, while also being funny (at least in the spots where it didn’t leave you wishing for something a little less overbearingly bleak). You ever get the sense that these people see the term “adult” as a mark of approval, rather than as a descriptor, because they’re incapable of being adults?
Hilariously correct take as always. They canceled two Scooby movies that were already mostly done for this. And one had the Hex Girls in it which fans actually wanted. It's like they purposefully want to end the 'Scooby' franchise. ALSO VELMA IS 15 IN THIS. Mindy is a freaking weirdo.
She's actually 14 in the original show, too. That's actually the reason she's so much shorter than everyone else. Everyone else is closer to the 16-18 range, with Shaggy being the oldest
@@USSMariner Sure, but I think the point was it's a little weird for Velma to be 15 here, in _this_ show, because unlike the original, this one features suggestive content.
@@auramaster8763 I feel bad for the animators who had to work on those movies and had it canceled right when it was about done. All the time and effort wasted. :
Shaggy looks like that one character from ValiDate. Y'know the one. The Bopeyes deadbeat Dad. Makes terrible rap music and brings race into every conversation.
And yet, Malik has more self-respect. Norville fucking attempts to sell his organs on the black market so he can simp for Velma and blackmail her into a relationship.
Was Shaggy ever an *actual* stoner in any of the shows/movies? Like I always assumed that Shaggy just acted like like a stereotypical stoner naturally, with him being absent-minded, goofy, easy to make laugh, and constantly hungry his entire life. Making Nu-Shaggy outright say "Oh, I hate drugs" seems like a stupid and unnecessary way to hand-wave away why ""Norville" acts differently. (totally not to avoid being called racist for depicting a black character as a drug addict lmao)
He was never canonically a stoner or anything, but that was the underlying implication left for the adults. The 'I hate drugs' is just an example of how limited the 'humor' for these shows are. They have basically four jokes; 'This is a cliche', 'Looks like I'm horrible, oh well.', 'White Cis Guys, ew' and 'I don't do thing that the character I'm supposed to be is associated with.'
Everyone thinks Shaggy is a stoner because he eats all the time. Considering how this show doesn't understand who the Mystery Inc gang is, I'm going to assume this version of Shaggy (or ""Norville"") doesn't eat a whole lot, which makes the "I don't take drugs" line more unnecessary than it was in the first place.
Most of the Mystery, Inc. Gang were chiefly modelled on characters from an early 1960s sitcom called _The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis._ Shaggy himself was specifically based on Maynard G. Krebbs (Bob Denver), a clueless beatnik with off-beat habits who would more or less morph into what we'd call a "proto-hippie". So while he wasn't strictly _intended_ to be a "stoner", per se, he was at least an emulation of Maynard Krebbs' mannerisms, which in turn were a sanitised, mainstream version of the counter-culture of the time.
Of all the other stereotypes used in the show, this one was the most obvious, so as you said, having "Norville" make that declaration was to shut people up.
Only because, from what I've heard, WB put their foot down and said that Scooby himself can't be used. Not that it would have helped. Honestly, it's like Scoob dodged a bullet because of his corporate overlords.
@@rooksclown316 That was PRECISELY how I felt when I learned that WB kept the "Smallville" writers from using Bruce Wayne at all. My boy dodged a bullet the size of the Empire State Building!
I'm wondering when Hollywood will catch on and realize shows like this were already a tired trope over ten years ago. Thanks for the rundown, J and God bless you with excellence!!
I think at the end of this *one* season, "Norville" will leave the town and a voicemail saying goodbye to *Belma* she'll fall in love with him again and will search out for him cliffhanger style Before going far away He’ll probably say something like: «I am going to live in my van and own a dog or something...cough cough»
Keep up the hope that there will be only one season 😈 I believe there is is a sadly a good chance they will produce a second season just to make people (especially their investors) believe this was succesful. Same thing happened on CBS All Access with Star Trek: Discovery - we cannot let it die, because that would be a bad sign. Ok, Velma hasn't exactly the same importance as the Star Trek-brand has for CBS/Paramount, but the show is also cheaper. And let's not forget CW keeping Badwoman alive for 2 more seasons, even if the ratings of the first one would have been enough to cancel the show.
@@ryanmaddugal 🙈 I didn't want to be correct, but it was clear ... Hey here is an idea for HBO, why not tell us there will be at least four more seasons, because the first episodes got at least 100 mio. views each and you believe in Mindy so much! That would be an even bigger signal for diversity!
I googled this to see the exact release date (January 12, which was yesterday as I write this) and the first headline google gave me was "Ruh-roh! Mindy Kaling's new Scooby Doo spinoff Velma is slammed as a 'massive disaster' - with fans railing against 'over-sexualization' of 'unlikeable' 15-year-old characters". It really is an experience to watch this stuff fail miserably in real-time. ❤
I really wish people stuck by the "Remember: NO hate-watching" motto that was going around in response to this. From as early as the trailer, you can see the self-satisfied disdain the show has for not just the people who liked the franchise, but also the people who would've given this a genuine chance.
@@gokuxsephiroth4505 doing something briefly is still committing that act. this isnt the first time a subversive take on a well-established franchise has come in this flavor. a blind man could even see that there's just as many redeemable qualities as the last time something like this happened. it really shouldn't be worth bothering.
A genuine chance? They blew that the moment Vermin Winkee tried to compare the 'white dudes being given more power' trope to a supposed reboot of a cartoon about a group of friends who go around solving crimes.
Will some of the suits at these companies wake up and realize that you dont increase the longevity of an IP by hiring people to work on it that hate it? We've seen it with Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, Halo etc
No, no, no, you got it all wrong: Those shows all failed because of other reasons and definitly not because the producers and writers hated the source material and thought they could do better ... One day they will learn their lesson, but i think it will take a looong time the way it looks now. Because none of the executives who realize the problem right now wants to be the first person to admit it. At least we can make bets which franchise will burn next.
Well, that's rather unfortunate, but it's kind of satisfying to know that the original Scooby-Doo screwed them over on that front, by having Shaggy's nickname be Shaggy, and real name be Norville - they couldn't win this time around, and that brings me some happiness (:
When I heard the producers name Mindy Kaling I thought the name sounded familiar and then I realize she's the sister of the guy who pretended to be black to get into college. I didn't even know this until three weeks ago she also has a comedy show named after herself called The Mindy project that she was the producer and writer of also. This woman is a complete narcissist, even one of the companies that worked on this show is named after her family.
Well i think we know that writers like these tend to inspire themselves, because they think everything else is shit. So i wouldn't put it past them, that they intentionally ripped of Gotham High, because that's high art ...
Velma will prove itself to be more juvenile than the previous iterations of Scooby-Doo Even A Pup named Scooby Doo will probably be more mature than this show will be.
What is with modern scooby Doo always putting the characters in high school, A bunch of dropouts living in a van hit to close to home for the creators?
JLong if you’re planning on reviewing this show you’re gonna need a lot of alcohol and some backup because it is THAT bad, Az himself barely made it through the first episode.
this type of show is like a weird unintentional psychoanalysis of the authors insecurities and sexual fantasies and stuff. I felt the same way at that scene in Karen where the karen is getting turned on watching the black couple have sex in front of their open window which had curtains that they just refused to close. There's a lot of bizarro freudian shit going on with a lot of woke idpol and sexual frustration and It always gives me the feeling that i've walked into a domestic argument which is awkward and unfortunate but that there's also some really wild and salacious shit being said that makes me unable to take my eyes away from the trainwreck.
@@madamebkrt The sexual undertones are the weirdest part to me no question. I remember when I heard about the existence of an "ICE immigrant capture" fetish that some Latina women had it blew my mind to smithereens and made me realize that a lot of these people seem to think about the world as if it's a trashy YA romance novel written for teenage women. I don't know why this is but I've seen enough examples that I'm starting to believe it's at least somewhat common among leftist writers. I could speculate endlessly about possibilities for why, maybe being bullied by a crush could create strange hate love associations? It's just fucking bizarre that velma finds fred hot.
What annoys me is Shaggy was created at a time and place where he was just a beatnik, like there wasn't a real drug connection (Kasey Casem didn't even know about the connection until asked about it in an interview)
I just realized that the high school this takes place in is called "Crystal Cove High," which is the setting for Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated. How dare you, showrunners? How dare you remind me of a far better Scooby-Doo show in your own crappy cartoon?
The whole point of Gotham is that it is about the city itself and how sick and corrupt it is. The main point of Bruce's story line in the show is about him eventually becoming Batman, which makes the writer's point ridiculous. It's clear that they just wanted to compare it to something that was popular without an original character in it.
That description of Velma's feelings about Fred has a lot of that "I want to get pounded by a Republican" energy that Defiant Ls had pinned for months.
I mean, Shaggy's actual name has always been Norville Roberts... Everyone just calls him Shaggy... Why they thought to bring that particular part of canon to the fore, though? Beats me... And, the whole 'Shaggy does drugs' thing is completely fanon, with a hint of James Gunn's writing slathered on top.
I think it's because unlike Velma and Daphne who have the character design apart from their skin colors the same, they completely redesigned Shaggy. Which leads me to believe that not even the creators of this show could look at this new design and believe "Yup, basically Shaggy." and just called him Norville and which also makes me believe that's the real reason why they removed Scooby Doo.
Coming soon to HBO: "Pebbles," the modern retelling of "The Flintstones," which centers on Pebbles Flintstone, a queer black teenager and feminist that fights the Stone Age patriarchy with her best friend Bam-Bam, a non-binary barista and amateur poet. The cast also includes Fred, Pebbles' stay-at-home father who is in touch with his feminine side, Wilma, Pebbles' strong, independent mother and CEO of a construction company, Barney, Bam-Bam's gay father and a famous fashion designer, Betty, Bam-Bam's stunning and brave bisexual mother as well as an architect, and George Slate, a sexist, racist, homophobic white industrialist.
This show reminds of a LOT of mcu SheHulk except it *might* somehow be worse.. it also reminds of a story where a girl does something so *awful* Satan himself *literally* refuses to touch her with a 10 foot pole
@4:25 Fun Fact: Shaggy's real name is Norville, his full LEGAL name is "Norville [Shaggy] Rodgers". Shaggy is a nickname "he gave himself", or "his parents gave him" depending on the continuity.
I saw a comment saying that Shaggy doesn't actually like his name and even got teased for having it, so everyone including his parents call him Shaggy because that's what he prefers
Them not including Scooby reminds me of how the live action Mulan didn't have Mushu in it, because it was supposed to be a more "realistic and grounded" martial arts movie.... and then they put a magical shape shifting witch in it.
Not only the witch but also Rourans who can run up walls and of course Mulans Chi ... which didn't have anything to do with the chinese concept of Chi. I think it was really nice of Disney to insult the country they were desperately trying to pander to 🙃
"Scooby-Doo makes Scooby-Doo a kid's show". Well then if the cartoon dog makes it a kid's show then I'm sure my sister-in-law would have no issues with me showing my 6-year-old niece Mr Pickles!
The CW's Supernatural was the modern day Scooby Doo for more adult oriented audience. So much so that they referenced Scoob and the gang multiple times throughout the series and eventually were allowed to do an episode with the mystery gang in a later season.
Shaggys real name has always been Norville to my knowledge. But we all know that the only reason they decided to have shaggy go by that name in this show because shaggy is black now
I said it before and I'll say it again. If there's no dog, this shit ain't Scooby Doo. And may I remind you that HBO Max removed numerous cartoons (some that I enjoyed btw) just so shit like this can be added to their streaming service.
So, Velma is supposed to be a self insert and yet the first thing she does is complain about unnecessary changes to source material? Based Mindy, damn. Also, they use the expression "dark secret" twice during the synopsis. Great writing all around.
@@joinsideke Yeah, and it was really "creative". Of course Mindy thinks that, but she probably really believes she's a genius who only falls, because people hate her intelligent writing.
@@joinsideke I know, but its stupid they'd choose their main character to be the one saying that when she's also supposed to be the Mary Sue who's right about everything. Like you can't even be bothered with the tired "people who don't like this are fat nerd losers" stereotype for this shit?
The last thing I have ever asked myself about any cartoon character was the nature of their privates. And yet, this show just wanted to make sure you knew the white guy has some insecurity over them. That makes me feel confident as a potential consumer, knowing this franchise will not respect my intelligence. For real, Hollywood people are from another word altogether.
They spelled out "WHYTE richness mediocrity". You read that and think this is a joke, but those buffoons are dead serious. I mean, wtf... And yes, make his insecurities of having a small wiener the running gag of the show and constantly laught at him and bully him for that. How vile is that? And how childish are those people?
There's a theory that Mindy wanted to make an original show but couldn't get it greenlit unless it used an existing IP, which explains why it's only tangibly related to Scooby-Doo and so hateful to the source material.
I could believe that if there weren't enough modern shows and movies whose writers seem to hate the original IP. Normally the higher-ups wouldn't want people who hate a francise to continue it, but it looks like this is actually a requirement for the job nowadays.
"Think Gotham and its conspicuous absence of Batman". Never watched it but as J said he becomes Batman, that must mean Velma mutates into a Great Dane, right? Now *that's* a show worth watching!
🎵Guess who's back, back again? JLong's back, tell a friend!🎵 Also, I love how, in the need for quote-unquote "representation", rather than taking real risks and giving ethnic minorities their own original characters, stories, and IPs (you know, like how most white people have gotten over the decades?), they still think representation means just taking established IPs and doing whatever they want with them. Like Alteori said, it only shows their own racism. 🙄 At this point, between Velma taking a swing at the critics in the first teaser and the creator's 'reaction' to the backlash this all got, it's almost as if they WANT to create controversy by using "outrage marketing" tactics, because they KNOW it'll give them attention and publicity. None of the characters resemble the ones we know. Not just in appearance but in personality, and Scooby-Doo isn't even present at all. Just because an IP has a talking or anthropomorphic animal, that doesn't automatically make it for kids! I'm sick to death of this BS idea that "talking animals are for kids", because it's not true. It's just as dumb as claiming hand-drawn 2D-animation is for kids. They could have easily squeezed Scooby in there, but I guess it's good that they didn't. Otherwise they probably would have breed-swapped him into a pit-bull, Doberman or Rottweiler instead and completely screwed over his entire personality like they did to the others, making them all into stereotypes. And also-also, why the fuck is Shaggy called "Shaggy" if he doesn't have even a full head of shaggy hair? Wasn't that why his nickname was "Shaggy" in the first place?? Oh wait. He's not "Shaggy" anymore, he's "Norville"... ...Why are these guys the Mystery Inc. gang again? Why aren't they original characters for a brand new animated TV show if they're going to look and act *nothing* like the characters we all know and love? Criken2 and the gang's "Solver Squad" parody playthroughs feel more like Scooby-Doo than this.
Why would they ever make their own? That would require the capacity for hard work, talent, things they specifically don’t have. They just want to take other peoples’ work because it comes with built-in popularity and legitimacy that they don’t have to cultivate. That their race and gender swaps suck is besides the point.
The show is the reason why Kaido from one piece want to kill himself. He saw the show, and wanted to destroy the country, but luffy gave him a talk and show him hunter x hunter. And kaido found meaning in life.
not sure where, but someone said that "Norville" looks like a nft and they are so right it hurts. i was never that much of a scooby do fan, but oh my god this angers me.
I love the notion of "you just hate change" it's so goofy to ascribe innate value to change. If I gave you a raw egg and bottle of steam instead of an omelette and a glass of water that would definitely be change. is it better? Is it an avant garde innovation or just a waste of everybody's time and effort? Change has no innate value to it and whether something is "progress" or just a waste is decided after the chips are down and the thing is complete. Right now watching the velma trailers is like some sort of comedic horror show where I'm seeing the cook toss cat faeces and moist loogies into my sandwich and all I can think, can't help but think, is. "i'm not eating that, what the fuck are they doing back there?" Maybe this catshit sandwich will be delicious and maybe the sun in the sky will grow shoes and begin tapdancing across the sky, i'm not holding my breath.
It's like the defenders of The Last Jedi saying "you just want a predictable movie". No, we could come up with a lot of plot twists and turns, doesn't mean they are good ...
@@lordmontymord8701 quality foremost. If subversion improves the quality then go for it, if the narrative is neutered by subversion then subversion can go dig a 20 foot ditch and jump into it. These are narrative tools to "flavor" a story, it's so petty and juvenile, like a kid who views "tasty" and "sugary" as synonyms so he just eats sugar straight from the bag, most of the time children grow out of this notion when they're like six or younger but apparently with regards to media this infantile conception of "good" can remain into adulthood.
Regarding reeling up a ghost, the original show would have acknowledged that. Velma would have brought up how if it really was a Ghost they shouldn't be able to interact with it so clearly this is a person. The children's cartoon is smarter than the adult cartoon. This keeps happening and it's still funny to me.
Seems like they might have had better luck with putting Daria into this. At least she’s already cynical, self-entitled, lesson enforcing and doesn’t have 50 years of history to retcon, just a small series. Probably couldn’t get the rights and begged Warner Bros who are chomping at the bit to get that Disney 2010’s bank.
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J, shaggy's real name is norville rogers, people just call him shaggy because of that unkempt birds nest on top!
You should get the gang together and do a Gotham high style reaction to the show, the reactions would be amazing
Do not watch this. It is worse than Rings of Power or Witcher: Blood Hunt or Willow or any number of modern remakes. The few reviewers that I watch that have seen even two episodes say the show makes them "physically ill". It's got a lot in common with She Hulk: no plot, no real jokes, no characters. It is an empty husk that exists as a vanity project for creatively bankrupt and talentless people who live on social media. Do not subject yourself to this. It's not worth it.
Norville is Shaggy's real name that's why borning shaggy is named that.
*you know im not sure witching hr is as ... stupid, racist, betrayal, jsut some queeny Rtard writing about some ex & rxping the bks* ; but it is only ep1! ...still. how cld thr be an equivalent to making Louis a black pimp instead of plantation owner? & making the child vampire a 19y who still acts like a 12yr old? it is such a mess. unmitigated. & the post ep gaslighting by said queeny (very white) runner. so. gross. & stupid! & dumb. & bad.
mayfair witches isnt anything. it is still set in new orleans tho. i just want to h8 it so bad. _JC
Imagine turning Velma into a self insert character. Lord help us.
The only thing they got right with Velma was her voice, her hairstyle and her classic sweater, outside of that they butchered these classic characters.
@@antwanjenkins6735 She's a lesbian"As Always". God, someone invent time travel already so woke garbage like this wouldn't exist! Could anyone else crawl walls too?
@@antwanjenkins6735 This is SO F'd up, that if Scooby Doo turned up, she'd be a White cat.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to show more respect for these characters than the idiots who made...this abomination. You can change things up without being disrespectful. I will start by making Velma a pasty goth with a penchant for trap setting.
@JohnGMateus Even Scrappy doesn't deserve that.
When the show constantly goes out of it's way to tell you how much it hates you and the show it's based on, how could it be anything else but awful.
Because now black people have the right to get away with it just because they aren't white!
These people dont seem to care. All they seem to care about is getting their egotistical vanity project made and for people to see it, and damn the consequences.
I kind of felt like Daria hated me but damn if she wasn't so hilarious and well written I'm ride or die for my girl
@@BurnDoubt Daria, the superior high school animated series
I mean seriously- rule zero for adaptations needs to be if you hate it don't remake it.
Who Fred originally was: *Implied a rich background but remaining humble, optimistic, supportive, strategic, overall chill guy*
The Fred THEY created: *The white "manly-man" kind of stereotype, small wee-wee, crazy, racist and sexist*
THAT'S NOT MY FRED!
I remember in a Scooby Doo Blaire Witch special (Yes that's real) that Shaggy doesn't like being called Norville and the others poke fun at name for a bit. And the reason why he is nicknamed "Shaggy" is because of his hair.
Also the fact Scooby ain't in this should be a red flag to begin with. I don't want to watch a show about a toxic and unlikable Indian Meg Griffin.
It was called "The Scooby-Doo Project" and at least that had the damn dog!
Ohhh so they couldn't call him shaggy because the black equivalent to shaggy is nappy, and they couldn't name him nappy. Makes sense.
Indian Meg Griffin is the most accurate description I've ever heard.
@@MimiRAM0NE She legit looks like that lol. All you got to do is change Meg's skin tone and that's it.
lmao she and Indian Mario should have a rap battle.
*_"How can we do Scooby-Doo in a fun and modern way?"_*
Go ask the writers of Supernatural. They did an entire episode that's both a tribute and parody of Scooby-Doo, and it's one of the most beloved episodes in the entire show.
Fred having an exestential crisis upon discovering that they could have been hunting actual monsters this entire time was legendary.
@Nobody That and Shaggy being like, "We told you guys, but did you listen to Scoob and me? NO!!"
They already did the "modern" thing with Mystery Inc. Well sorta but you know what I mean, they adapted the characters and fleshed them out a bit more from what's New Scooby Doo? before it.
That doesn't work here - because as we all know the creators of this abomination don't like the original show. So all they can do is to show how bad it was in their eyes.
Dean- *exists* This Velma- You are the worst of this country, you misogynist, womanizing, toxic male, gun toting psycho. Sam- Actually my brother and I died a ridiculous number of times to save this country and the entire world but okay you have your moment.
Norville is Shaggy’s real name. Norville “Shaggy” Rodgers. (Not that that makes it better.)
How so?
So his name starts with an N
I was gonna say that Shaggy is his nickname and his actual name is Norville Rodgers.
Rogers.
I was looking for this comment.
It's understandable if most people don't know this because "Shaggy" had been used over his real name for years. I constantly keep forgetting until I'm reminded. Lol
Velma in Mystery Incorporated was probably the sassiest and most savage version of the character so far, yet she is still a billion times more likable and interesting than Mindy's OC caricature.
Exactly they did the sassy sarcastic thing well in mystery incorporated but in this she just comes across as an unlikable bitch with a attitude problem
it feels like they're trying to pull from that version of Velma too and it's... Not hitting.
I will never forgive Cervone and Watson for giving her an actually good character arc in Season 1..and then absolutely forgetting that entirely in season 2.
Velma has had some pretty good sarcastic one liners over the years, but Mystery incorporated had the most memorable ones.
Velma in Mystery Inc was sassy for dry humor purposes. Mindy however is just being a bitch because she needs a power fantasy.
Jesus Christ that synopsis. It reads like Fred's existence dealt horrible psychic harm to them growing up so they created this show as adults decades later to enact revenge on his fictional being.
And its hilarious that, when i watched basically a pirated version of it, Fred was the funniest to me.
WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FRED AROUND HERE 😂
I only ever disliked him in Mystery Inc. b/c I thought he was annoying and dense. And then I forgot about it like a normal person. Or I did... fuck you, HBO.
which is weird, because Fred always was a tongue-in-cheek stereotype of the high school jock.... he was, like, the 4th or 5th most important character in the crew.....
Fred's mere presence scalded their minds, what a figure
Harvey Birdman made fun about the "Shaggy and Scooby-Doo are on drugs" joke in a much clever and funnier way nearly 20 years ago. In fact, just watch Harvey Birdman instead.
Harvey Birdman is an underrated gem of a show.
@@michaelstrong5383 Amen. That show was actually funny and featured Steven Colbert before he fell off the wagon.
I accept your proposal.
**goes to watch HB, experiences true entertainment, forgets about the current garbage fire, enjoys life**
Husband and I have loved Birdman since the beginning. Our daughters love it too. Seriously underrated.
Norville is Shaggy's actual first name. The fact that they had to use his generic 50s white boy name and not his hippy nickname is most unintentionally hilarious thing that came out of this show.
They didn't allow them to use Scooby, because they didn't want to completely destroy the brand.
Wow,"how nice of them".🙄😒
I expect him to show up in season 2 - and there will be another season just to show all the mean people on the internet that this is a success (just like CW couldn't let Batwoman go even though season 1 was already a desaster).
No, he will be introduced as their last option. Just like CBS said Discovery will not show Kirk or Spock, only to bring Spock into season 2 to feed of the legacy characters.
With Scooby-Doo left out of this bs, it can't be cannon. Strange things have happened throughout the franchise but the overall continuity is impressive. I'm relieved that Scoobs is safe at home.
I heard they didn't have all the rights. So, if you ask me, Scooby got lucky. 😂
Based on the statement regarding Scoob’s absence, they’re likely keeping him in their back pocket for when the numbers start to tank. Of course, their version of Scooby Doo is going to be bastardized beyond recognition. I’ll honestly be surprised if he’s still a Great Dane.
And to think HBO Max got rid of a lot of animated content for this.
They got rid of Infinity Train for this
Wow!
I say: Let them burn.
I’m still salty on how dirty they did Final Space and left it on that cliffhanger.
@@RogueFox2185 Don't even get me started on how badly Final Space was treated.
I have to give modern writers props for their inexplicable ability to construct straw men that still manage to beat them intellectually.
Holy shit that's such a good line lmao
It's always funny when they attempt to be self-aware without actually being self-aware. 😄
I hereby dub this the 'wing-chun training dummy fallacy'
And people are out here trying to say this is one of the best Scooby doo shows. My sister in Christ this ain’t even in the TOP TWELVE.
Suddenly Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue ain't looking so shitty.
Tbf, does this show even count as a Scooby Doo show?
It has characters with the same names, sure... but what else?
I would call this show a dumpster fire or a flaming bag of dog excrement but that would be an insult to said adjectives.
@Ulron1 that show was art. I don't care what anyone thinks
It's sure as hell no Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island.
Remember when we had the classic characters revamped into even more fleshed out characters in mystery incorporated cartoon?
How that cartoon i watched as a kid also handled some dark topics, while still having humour for kids and and more grown ups.
How that cartoon gave every character in the group a purpose? Like Fred was not only leader, but also was good with setting up traps and also was smart in action, Daphne being from high status family had extremely great social skills that most other groups lacked, while also being into karate, Velma not only was a nerd, but her character had cynical view ans snark that while striking still never crossed boundaries with others and scooby and shaggy essentially were the heart of the group and also even contributed when it mattered, while also trying their hardest to solve mysteries despite their cowardice.
Like there is none of that with here. Instead of expanding the group out in interesting way this essentially shot the original and now is wearing it's fur as a coat.
Don't you just love it when those progressive and anti-racist people use stereotypes without any self-awareness, funny jokes, and charm?
The black guy is now a stoner.
Indian/South Asian chick is the ''smart'' one.
The white guy is a ''privileged'' jackass.
Daphne is Asian and her eyes are apparently racist. She's selling drugs and I don't know if it's a stereotype or not. But her mothers are cops. Cops are good as long as they're empowered women and POCs. But she is a queen bee. You will never be Regina George!
The white guy is toxic because he's got a small dick. The black guy is the weak ''beta'' male. At least they're honest about how they see black men. Also, gore and sexualization because that's what counts as adult content. Puss in Boots the last wish had a drop of blood and it's 100 times more mature than this teenage edge-lord shit.
It's going to be clowned by everybody. I already saw people gushing about how they love diversity, Daphne x Velma, etc. but hate the ''problematic'' elements.
You recapped that perfectly. Well said.
This show wishes it was anything like Mystery Incorporated.
that and whats new scooby doo were pretty much the best shows
Bro mystery incorporated was my shit.
"you can tell the real Velma had a gulk gulk 9000 under that turtleneck" that caught me off guard.
HOW SHE GONNA GAWK GAWK
If Daphne's boyfriend Fred is wealthy why is she dealing drugs?
Cause she’s looking for *experiences* and dealing crack is just so much better than getting a job
Also it kinda reinforce the stereotype of Asians being pothead and drug dealer because, you know, golden triangle.
Did Mindy ever self aware about this?
It definitely doesn't fit the characters, but there are actually a number of upper middle class and lower-elite kids that are massive cokeheads, so in a normal setting there's probably at least a few kids who are dealing. It's likely this is just Mindy reflecting her own high school experiences.
@@cmc5394oparva tbh most those coke heads buy and get fleeced by the poor kids since they usually don’t know the real price or don’t know how to tell the difference between dry wall and dust
I hate the term "adult-cartoon". Most of the slop these companies pump out are aimed at passive-aggressive adults with infantile problem solving skills.
Makes me wish that we get more adult cartoons that treat their audiences with respect like Invincible, Arcane, and Bojack Horseman, instead of shows that are just another Family Guy/Rick & Morty ripoffs.
I hate that term too cause more often than not the "adult" cartoon ends up being more immature than an actual kids show.
I wish we could get some actual adult cartoons that tell a story without being a "we're so edgy" comedy that tries to copy any other adult cartoon.
@@michaelstrong5383 Actually, I don’t feel safe about Invincible at all. Considering that its most infamous scene in the comics is (spoiler below) and Amazon Prime has a bad track record in handling this stuff because they always want to portray male characters as bad guys in the situation. I’m pretty sure Mark will get ruined by the show.
(Mark getting raped by a woman)
A lot of “adult” content these days isn’t made for adults and hasn’t been for years. It’s made for edgy teenagers who want to piss off their parents.
How long is it going to take for writers to understand people don’t like being insulted? I’m so tired of this trend where a film or show tries to look self aware by having some character point out whatever common trope is going on and/or making fun of the target audience who like said trope, all delivered with the subtlety and grace of a car crash. It just doesn’t work when it oozes with insecurity.
Hey you don't have to feel insulted if you share the writers/producers opinion 😁 ... their problem is that there aren't enough people who share exactly their views. But that's of course the viewers fault and not theirs ...
You don’t have to agree with someone’s point of view to be able to appreciate and enjoy their work. There’s also nothing wrong with some good satire, the original Scooby Doo series is filled with self parody. It’s laughing with you, not laughing at you.
When done well, satire can be fun and endearing. If it’s meant to be taken seriously, an author can use these moments of self reflection and deconstruction to make changes that will improve their stories.
The problem is when it’s done poorly, it’s neither funny or smart. Even die hard Marvel fans have started to get tired of how often the movies promise to do something different, but just end up being the same formulae with a couple of meta jokes thrown around that serve no purpose and disrupt the story’s pacing.
Lol the Hollywood just bunch of narcissistic sadists ! They are living in private paradise !
To answer your question: I don't understand either. I mean, sure, there are shows that do that but their makers know HOW to do it. Like Trey and Matt in "South Park".
But this?
I don't know, I still believe in Coexisting...like "Can't we all just try to coexist and chill a bit more?" This show does not help at all.
It will end when people realize that a show being "Meta" doesn't automatically mean the writing's good.
I'm not black, but what they did to Shaggy feels like a hate crime. 😭🤣
What do you mean?
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 Idk I’m white but I feel like people being white are kinda afraid to voice the same opinions as non-white people, but not the kinda scummy why the producers did
@@neraslight4997 you're right.
Whyte ppl are being socially opressed, which makes more and more of them too afraid to speak up about it.
It's pathetic.
I mean think about it.
Society allows and literally encourages hatred and racism against Whyte ppl in america.
And a lot of weak Whyte ppl are just kneeling down and taking it.
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 I'm mostly being facetious.
@@DeeRhoelol don’t ya know everyone is super serious in comment section 😂😂😂😂 they take your at word as the gospel
"What made Scooby-Doo a kid show is Scooby-Doo."
I think it was a scene from the second episode but there's a little scene where a cockroach humps another cockroach. Didn't add anything, didn't advance the story, just Daphne going "Ew."
Yet the talking dog is childish.
Oh yeah. Dedicating a chunk of your runtime to having cockroaches hump is fine, totally humor that only adults will be able to appreciate, but the talking dog is too much.
I remember a show about a talking horse that managed to be pretty adult in its theming and writing, while also being funny (at least in the spots where it didn’t leave you wishing for something a little less overbearingly bleak).
You ever get the sense that these people see the term “adult” as a mark of approval, rather than as a descriptor, because they’re incapable of being adults?
Actually it’s a very first scene in a first episode
Like Jl said, this would mean Family Guy is a show for kids too. And i'm sure we can find many other examples that don't fit into this formula.
Hilariously correct take as always. They canceled two Scooby movies that were already mostly done for this. And one had the Hex Girls in it which fans actually wanted. It's like they purposefully want to end the 'Scooby' franchise. ALSO VELMA IS 15 IN THIS. Mindy is a freaking weirdo.
She's actually 14 in the original show, too.
That's actually the reason she's so much shorter than everyone else. Everyone else is closer to the 16-18 range, with Shaggy being the oldest
@@USSMariner Sure, but I think the point was it's a little weird for Velma to be 15 here, in _this_ show, because unlike the original, this one features suggestive content.
@@USSMariner According to my Scooby-Doo annual, Velma is 15, Fred & Daphne are 16, Shaggy is 17 & Scooby is 6
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE! They canceled two almost completed movies, For this?
@@auramaster8763 I feel bad for the animators who had to work on those movies and had it canceled right when it was about done. All the time and effort wasted. :
Shaggy looks like that one character from ValiDate.
Y'know the one. The Bopeyes deadbeat Dad. Makes terrible rap music and brings race into every conversation.
Yeah Malik and his seven baby mamas.
#cheeksformalik
And yet, Malik has more self-respect. Norville fucking attempts to sell his organs on the black market so he can simp for Velma and blackmail her into a relationship.
He looks like a fucking NFT
I was just thinking that 😂
Was Shaggy ever an *actual* stoner in any of the shows/movies? Like I always assumed that Shaggy just acted like like a stereotypical stoner naturally, with him being absent-minded, goofy, easy to make laugh, and constantly hungry his entire life.
Making Nu-Shaggy outright say "Oh, I hate drugs" seems like a stupid and unnecessary way to hand-wave away why ""Norville" acts differently.
(totally not to avoid being called racist for depicting a black character as a drug addict lmao)
If I remember right he didn't take drugs, but it was suggested
He was never canonically a stoner or anything, but that was the underlying implication left for the adults. The 'I hate drugs' is just an example of how limited the 'humor' for these shows are. They have basically four jokes; 'This is a cliche', 'Looks like I'm horrible, oh well.', 'White Cis Guys, ew' and 'I don't do thing that the character I'm supposed to be is associated with.'
Everyone thinks Shaggy is a stoner because he eats all the time. Considering how this show doesn't understand who the Mystery Inc gang is, I'm going to assume this version of Shaggy (or ""Norville"") doesn't eat a whole lot, which makes the "I don't take drugs" line more unnecessary than it was in the first place.
Most of the Mystery, Inc. Gang were chiefly modelled on characters from an early 1960s sitcom called _The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis._
Shaggy himself was specifically based on Maynard G. Krebbs (Bob Denver), a clueless beatnik with off-beat habits who would more or less morph into what we'd call a "proto-hippie". So while he wasn't strictly _intended_ to be a "stoner", per se, he was at least an emulation of Maynard Krebbs' mannerisms, which in turn were a sanitised, mainstream version of the counter-culture of the time.
Of all the other stereotypes used in the show, this one was the most obvious, so as you said, having "Norville" make that declaration was to shut people up.
They did it, actually did it. They made a Scooby-Doo IP without Scooby-Doo.
They did it before in 'Daphne and Velma'. No one blames you if you never heard of it. I don't think anyone watched it.
Only because, from what I've heard, WB put their foot down and said that Scooby himself can't be used. Not that it would have helped. Honestly, it's like Scoob dodged a bullet because of his corporate overlords.
@anthonyeldridge4358 At first, I was mad about that, but now I see it as a blessing because of what they did to the rest of the gang
@@rooksclown316 That was PRECISELY how I felt when I learned that WB kept the "Smallville" writers from using Bruce Wayne at all. My boy dodged a bullet the size of the Empire State Building!
I'm wondering when Hollywood will catch on and realize shows like this were already a tired trope over ten years ago. Thanks for the rundown, J and God bless you with excellence!!
Probably when they catch fire, and people realise they never been out to make quality content just money.
They are probably doing it soon, considering the row of cancelations they've been on.
Shaggy over here looking like a ValiDate character
I think at the end of this *one* season,
"Norville" will leave the town and
a voicemail saying goodbye to
*Belma* she'll fall in love with him again
and will search out for him cliffhanger style
Before going far away
He’ll probably say something like:
«I am going to live in my van and own
a dog or something...cough cough»
Your right, the spilling milk crew seen everything there was here!
Keep up the hope that there will be only one season 😈
I believe there is is a sadly a good chance they will produce a second season just to make people (especially their investors) believe this was succesful. Same thing happened on CBS All Access with Star Trek: Discovery - we cannot let it die, because that would be a bad sign. Ok, Velma hasn't exactly the same importance as the Star Trek-brand has for CBS/Paramount, but the show is also cheaper.
And let's not forget CW keeping Badwoman alive for 2 more seasons, even if the ratings of the first one would have been enough to cancel the show.
@@lordmontymord8701 you are correct
ugh batwoman Dont remind me😂🤮
@@ryanmaddugal 🙈 I didn't want to be correct, but it was clear ...
Hey here is an idea for HBO, why not tell us there will be at least four more seasons, because the first episodes got at least 100 mio. views each and you believe in Mindy so much! That would be an even bigger signal for diversity!
I googled this to see the exact release date (January 12, which was yesterday as I write this) and the first headline google gave me was "Ruh-roh! Mindy Kaling's new Scooby Doo spinoff Velma is slammed as a 'massive disaster' - with fans railing against 'over-sexualization' of 'unlikeable' 15-year-old characters".
It really is an experience to watch this stuff fail miserably in real-time. ❤
I really wish people stuck by the "Remember: NO hate-watching" motto that was going around in response to this. From as early as the trailer, you can see the self-satisfied disdain the show has for not just the people who liked the franchise, but also the people who would've given this a genuine chance.
I mean, at least hate watching is typically brief. I don't know anyone who would hate watch a show past the pilot
Also, 🏴☠️
@@gokuxsephiroth4505 doing something briefly is still committing that act. this isnt the first time a subversive take on a well-established franchise has come in this flavor. a blind man could even see that there's just as many redeemable qualities as the last time something like this happened. it really shouldn't be worth bothering.
@@rooksclown316 i can respect it, but that makes no difference.
A genuine chance? They blew that the moment Vermin Winkee tried to compare the 'white dudes being given more power' trope to a supposed reboot of a cartoon about a group of friends who go around solving crimes.
Will some of the suits at these companies wake up and realize that you dont increase the longevity of an IP by hiring people to work on it that hate it? We've seen it with Star Wars, Star Trek, Witcher, Halo etc
Don’t forget Heman
No, no, no, you got it all wrong: Those shows all failed because of other reasons and definitly not because the producers and writers hated the source material and thought they could do better ...
One day they will learn their lesson, but i think it will take a looong time the way it looks now. Because none of the executives who realize the problem right now wants to be the first person to admit it.
At least we can make bets which franchise will burn next.
Jlongbone, the heroine we desperately need and deserve. Seriously, we need you as a final fantasy summon materia asap
“Ruck ris rit ri’m rout!”
Scooby says as he leaps away,lol.
4:45 You know if that was the case, it kinda backfired since the rapper Shaggy's real first name is Orville. You know, a name that RHYMES.
Well, that's rather unfortunate, but it's kind of satisfying to know that the original Scooby-Doo screwed them over on that front, by having Shaggy's nickname be Shaggy, and real name be Norville - they couldn't win this time around, and that brings me some happiness (:
When I heard the producers name Mindy Kaling I thought the name sounded familiar and then I realize she's the sister of the guy who pretended to be black to get into college. I didn't even know this until three weeks ago she also has a comedy show named after herself called The Mindy project that she was the producer and writer of also. This woman is a complete narcissist, even one of the companies that worked on this show is named after her family.
It's SHIIIID instead of ZOINKS, now....
Oh god I feel bad for Glenn Howerton aka Dennis from it’s always sunny in Philadelphia voicing Fred In this abomination of a series
he's basically playing Dennis again though, which is great
That’s great but in a really shitty scooby cartoon
He hasn't been done this dirty since the first season of Fargo
It looks like he's playing Dennis again, without all the things that made the character work to begin with.
Guess he's desperate to play literally anything except Dennis for once in his career it's kinda sad
God I've seen the "High School can be murder" tag line so many damn times starting from the late 80s especially when Scream came out.
The similarities between the designs for Daphne in Velma and Poison Ivy in Gotham High are striking.
Well i think we know that writers like these tend to inspire themselves, because they think everything else is shit. So i wouldn't put it past them, that they intentionally ripped of Gotham High, because that's high art ...
"How she gonna gawk gawk!?"
I lost it 😆😆😆
The shot of her turning into actual Velma proves the animators can do it right but intentionally choose not to
Velma will prove itself to be more juvenile than the previous iterations of Scooby-Doo
Even A Pup named Scooby Doo will probably be more mature than this show will be.
I'm actually glad they didn't include Scooby. He's far too innocent and sweet for such a heartless looking show.
“Doctor Degan and the book of destiny” so glad that batwoman still lives on
We need more people like J on board!
I always liked Daria, but wondered what would happen if it was rewritten by a racist with an erotic deviant art account.
Velma Dinkley, such a traditional Indian name. Must be millions of them.
What is with modern scooby Doo always putting the characters in high school, A bunch of dropouts living in a van hit to close to home for the creators?
JLong if you’re planning on reviewing this show you’re gonna need a lot of alcohol and some backup because it is THAT bad, Az himself barely made it through the first episode.
this type of show is like a weird unintentional psychoanalysis of the authors insecurities and sexual fantasies and stuff. I felt the same way at that scene in Karen where the karen is getting turned on watching the black couple have sex in front of their open window which had curtains that they just refused to close. There's a lot of bizarro freudian shit going on with a lot of woke idpol and sexual frustration and It always gives me the feeling that i've walked into a domestic argument which is awkward and unfortunate but that there's also some really wild and salacious shit being said that makes me unable to take my eyes away from the trainwreck.
This is such a good analysis.
D:
@Bill Clinton Enjoyer Well... That makes everything way worse but tbh not too unexpected I guess.
@@madamebkrt The sexual undertones are the weirdest part to me no question. I remember when I heard about the existence of an "ICE immigrant capture" fetish that some Latina women had it blew my mind to smithereens and made me realize that a lot of these people seem to think about the world as if it's a trashy YA romance novel written for teenage women. I don't know why this is but I've seen enough examples that I'm starting to believe it's at least somewhat common among leftist writers. I could speculate endlessly about possibilities for why, maybe being bullied by a crush could create strange hate love associations? It's just fucking bizarre that velma finds fred hot.
What annoys me is Shaggy was created at a time and place where he was just a beatnik, like there wasn't a real drug connection (Kasey Casem didn't even know about the connection until asked about it in an interview)
Shes literally been playing herself in everything since the office lol
I just realized that the high school this takes place in is called "Crystal Cove High," which is the setting for Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated.
How dare you, showrunners? How dare you remind me of a far better Scooby-Doo show in your own crappy cartoon?
Crystal cove, that sounds like a meth reference, rewrite it!
-The Studio
@Robert Morgan And let's cross out the "Cove" so that it can be called "Crystal High"! Oh, we're such comedic geniuses!
*-The Studio*
At least Scooby is kept safe from this nightmare. Rest, sweet prince. Odysee buffers too much. Sad.
The whole point of Gotham is that it is about the city itself and how sick and corrupt it is.
The main point of Bruce's story line in the show is about him eventually becoming Batman, which makes the writer's point ridiculous.
It's clear that they just wanted to compare it to something that was popular without an original character in it.
And let's be fair; the main character of Gotham is Penguin anyway.
@@Deatheater4444 true
That description of Velma's feelings about Fred has a lot of that "I want to get pounded by a Republican" energy that Defiant Ls had pinned for months.
they missed the opportunity to have a talking Great Dane rip someones throat out and then try to justify it as self defense.
Shout out to Spilling The Milk for watching & tearing down this show.
Notice that she talks just like like she-hulk. "This is MY story. told MY way". In b4 Velma starts twerking.
a scooby doo show without scooby is like He-Man show without He-man... and everyone knows how well that worked out right?
I hope that Erdrich Horror stuff from Pibby consumes this show
Can we all just agree to call ""Shaggy"" NFT-Man. 🤣😂
Hell, I wouldn’t even call it emotionally fragile, how black hearted you gotta be to not share the spot light with a dog.
I mean, Shaggy's actual name has always been Norville Roberts... Everyone just calls him Shaggy... Why they thought to bring that particular part of canon to the fore, though? Beats me... And, the whole 'Shaggy does drugs' thing is completely fanon, with a hint of James Gunn's writing slathered on top.
I think it's because unlike Velma and Daphne who have the character design apart from their skin colors the same, they completely redesigned Shaggy.
Which leads me to believe that not even the creators of this show could look at this new design and believe "Yup, basically Shaggy." and just called him Norville and which also makes me believe that's the real reason why they removed Scooby Doo.
Coming soon to HBO: "Pebbles," the modern retelling of "The Flintstones," which centers on Pebbles Flintstone, a queer black teenager and feminist that fights the Stone Age patriarchy with her best friend Bam-Bam, a non-binary barista and amateur poet. The cast also includes Fred, Pebbles' stay-at-home father who is in touch with his feminine side, Wilma, Pebbles' strong, independent mother and CEO of a construction company, Barney, Bam-Bam's gay father and a famous fashion designer, Betty, Bam-Bam's stunning and brave bisexual mother as well as an architect, and George Slate, a sexist, racist, homophobic white industrialist.
This show reminds of a LOT of mcu SheHulk except it *might* somehow be worse.. it also reminds of a story where a girl does something so *awful* Satan himself *literally* refuses to touch her with a 10 foot pole
So does “Norville” still inherit his uncles’ Louisiana plantation house?
@4:25 Fun Fact: Shaggy's real name is Norville, his full LEGAL name is "Norville [Shaggy] Rodgers".
Shaggy is a nickname "he gave himself", or "his parents gave him" depending on the continuity.
that still wont fix this god awful mindy show.
I saw a comment saying that Shaggy doesn't actually like his name and even got teased for having it, so everyone including his parents call him Shaggy because that's what he prefers
Them not including Scooby reminds me of how the live action Mulan didn't have Mushu in it, because it was supposed to be a more "realistic and grounded" martial arts movie.... and then they put a magical shape shifting witch in it.
Not only the witch but also Rourans who can run up walls and of course Mulans Chi ... which didn't have anything to do with the chinese concept of Chi. I think it was really nice of Disney to insult the country they were desperately trying to pander to 🙃
@Bill Clinton Enjoyer But showing her train and having her use her brain to solve problems is haaard - superpowers are easier ...
"Scooby-Doo makes Scooby-Doo a kid's show". Well then if the cartoon dog makes it a kid's show then I'm sure my sister-in-law would have no issues with me showing my 6-year-old niece Mr Pickles!
You know the other day I was just thinking "Wonder if J is gonna react to this shitty trailer?"
Your predictions were all correct. Impressive.
The CW's Supernatural was the modern day Scooby Doo for more adult oriented audience. So much so that they referenced Scoob and the gang multiple times throughout the series and eventually were allowed to do an episode with the mystery gang in a later season.
Love when these writers throw shade at "Kid's shows" like they're less mature and smart, despite their show coming off way more childish
Shaggys real name has always been Norville to my knowledge. But we all know that the only reason they decided to have shaggy go by that name in this show because shaggy is black now
I’d rather marathon every direct-to-dvd scooby doo movie than give this show a single neuron-fire of thought.
I said it before and I'll say it again. If there's no dog, this shit ain't Scooby Doo. And may I remind you that HBO Max removed numerous cartoons (some that I enjoyed btw) just so shit like this can be added to their streaming service.
Mindy's character Velma is pulling double duty as both Velma and Scooby
So, Velma is supposed to be a self insert and yet the first thing she does is complain about unnecessary changes to source material?
Based Mindy, damn.
Also, they use the expression "dark secret" twice during the synopsis. Great writing all around.
That was them "taking the piss" out of their critics.
@@joinsideke Yeah, and it was really "creative". Of course Mindy thinks that, but she probably really believes she's a genius who only falls, because people hate her intelligent writing.
@@joinsideke I know, but its stupid they'd choose their main character to be the one saying that when she's also supposed to be the Mary Sue who's right about everything.
Like you can't even be bothered with the tired "people who don't like this are fat nerd losers" stereotype for this shit?
"Imagine being so emotionally fragile you can't share the spotlight with a dog" ROFL amazing
The last thing I have ever asked myself about any cartoon character was the nature of their privates. And yet, this show just wanted to make sure you knew the white guy has some insecurity over them. That makes me feel confident as a potential consumer, knowing this franchise will not respect my intelligence. For real, Hollywood people are from another word altogether.
They spelled out "WHYTE richness mediocrity". You read that and think this is a joke, but those buffoons are dead serious. I mean, wtf...
And yes, make his insecurities of having a small wiener the running gag of the show and constantly laught at him and bully him for that. How vile is that? And how childish are those people?
This is Gotham High. They just took all our loved shows growing up and just FUCK IT UP, COMPLETELY!!!
LIKE WHY DO THEY HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING!?😭😡
I saw the trailer and I almost got sick. They took my all time favorite cartoon show, cause I'm a die hard Scooby-Doo fan and pissed all over it smh.
Mindy patting herself on the back for being original and not needing a classic anymore while also needing a classic IP to get any attention at all.
When they race swapped everyone except Fred I knew what type of joke they're going to make on Fred
self-harm topics. In a blasted Scooby-Doo show.
What has reality become
There's a theory that Mindy wanted to make an original show but couldn't get it greenlit unless it used an existing IP, which explains why it's only tangibly related to Scooby-Doo and so hateful to the source material.
I could believe that if there weren't enough modern shows and movies whose writers seem to hate the original IP. Normally the higher-ups wouldn't want people who hate a francise to continue it, but it looks like this is actually a requirement for the job nowadays.
"Talking animals are for kids."
*Brian Griffin has entered the chat*
"Think Gotham and its conspicuous absence of Batman". Never watched it but as J said he becomes Batman, that must mean Velma mutates into a Great Dane, right? Now *that's* a show worth watching!
Highschool can be murder sounds like a goosebumps book
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Also, I love how, in the need for quote-unquote "representation", rather than taking real risks and giving ethnic minorities their own original characters, stories, and IPs (you know, like how most white people have gotten over the decades?), they still think representation means just taking established IPs and doing whatever they want with them. Like Alteori said, it only shows their own racism. 🙄 At this point, between Velma taking a swing at the critics in the first teaser and the creator's 'reaction' to the backlash this all got, it's almost as if they WANT to create controversy by using "outrage marketing" tactics, because they KNOW it'll give them attention and publicity. None of the characters resemble the ones we know. Not just in appearance but in personality, and Scooby-Doo isn't even present at all. Just because an IP has a talking or anthropomorphic animal, that doesn't automatically make it for kids! I'm sick to death of this BS idea that "talking animals are for kids", because it's not true. It's just as dumb as claiming hand-drawn 2D-animation is for kids. They could have easily squeezed Scooby in there, but I guess it's good that they didn't. Otherwise they probably would have breed-swapped him into a pit-bull, Doberman or Rottweiler instead and completely screwed over his entire personality like they did to the others, making them all into stereotypes.
And also-also, why the fuck is Shaggy called "Shaggy" if he doesn't have even a full head of shaggy hair? Wasn't that why his nickname was "Shaggy" in the first place??
Oh wait. He's not "Shaggy" anymore, he's "Norville"...
...Why are these guys the Mystery Inc. gang again? Why aren't they original characters for a brand new animated TV show if they're going to look and act *nothing* like the characters we all know and love?
Criken2 and the gang's "Solver Squad" parody playthroughs feel more like Scooby-Doo than this.
Why would they ever make their own? That would require the capacity for hard work, talent, things they specifically don’t have. They just want to take other peoples’ work because it comes with built-in popularity and legitimacy that they don’t have to cultivate.
That their race and gender swaps suck is besides the point.
The show is the reason why Kaido from one piece want to kill himself. He saw the show, and wanted to destroy the country, but luffy gave him a talk and show him hunter x hunter. And kaido found meaning in life.
not sure where, but someone said that "Norville" looks like a nft and they are so right it hurts. i was never that much of a scooby do fan, but oh my god this angers me.
I am willing to bet money I do not have that they only made Daphne asian because someone remembered she knows karate and that is the only reason.
I love the notion of "you just hate change" it's so goofy to ascribe innate value to change. If I gave you a raw egg and bottle of steam instead of an omelette and a glass of water that would definitely be change. is it better? Is it an avant garde innovation or just a waste of everybody's time and effort? Change has no innate value to it and whether something is "progress" or just a waste is decided after the chips are down and the thing is complete. Right now watching the velma trailers is like some sort of comedic horror show where I'm seeing the cook toss cat faeces and moist loogies into my sandwich and all I can think, can't help but think, is. "i'm not eating that, what the fuck are they doing back there?" Maybe this catshit sandwich will be delicious and maybe the sun in the sky will grow shoes and begin tapdancing across the sky, i'm not holding my breath.
It's like the defenders of The Last Jedi saying "you just want a predictable movie". No, we could come up with a lot of plot twists and turns, doesn't mean they are good ...
@@lordmontymord8701 quality foremost. If subversion improves the quality then go for it, if the narrative is neutered by subversion then subversion can go dig a 20 foot ditch and jump into it. These are narrative tools to "flavor" a story, it's so petty and juvenile, like a kid who views "tasty" and "sugary" as synonyms so he just eats sugar straight from the bag, most of the time children grow out of this notion when they're like six or younger but apparently with regards to media this infantile conception of "good" can remain into adulthood.
Thank God Scooby-Doo was spared otherwise Kaling might change him into a chihuahua with missing legs for diversity points
Imagine pitching a show thats sole focus is to antagonize and make fun of its own audience relentlessly.
Tbf, Norville is Shaggy’s actual name.
Nevermind the fact he HATES being called Norville.
Regarding reeling up a ghost, the original show would have acknowledged that. Velma would have brought up how if it really was a Ghost they shouldn't be able to interact with it so clearly this is a person. The children's cartoon is smarter than the adult cartoon. This keeps happening and it's still funny to me.
Seems like they might have had better luck with putting Daria into this.
At least she’s already cynical, self-entitled, lesson enforcing and doesn’t have 50 years of history to retcon, just a small series.
Probably couldn’t get the rights and begged Warner Bros who are chomping at the bit to get that Disney 2010’s bank.