That Pedal Show - Dan & Mick's £350 Pedalboard Challenge
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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We get asked all the time to feature more value-for-money pedals on the show. In this episode we set ourselves an upper budget of £350 to create a full electric guitar pedalboard that must include: drive, modulation, delay and one other free choice. Our amp is a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe.
Regular viewers will notice that we have an additional mic on the amp in this video too - a Sontronics Delta Ribbon Mic that will feature more prominently in next week’s show… www.sontronics.com
The £350 budget was set at Friday 23 June 2017… but it seems that some prices have already gone up! Consider the numbers a rough guide at best, not least with Mick’s dreadful mental arithmetic.
We didn’t include power for the pedals and the board itself in the budget, though as you’ll see, Mick managed to build a rudimentary board within the budget. AND cover it in fake grass. Yeah baby.
What did we choose, and what does it all sound like? Let’s do this…
Pedals in this episode…
A note on prices: Retail prices fluctuate greatly, not least internationally. Even since we shot this video some prices have gone up already.
• Mooer ElecLady
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2g7sSnk
• Electro-Harmonix Soul Food
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2umWN0Z
USA: bit.ly/3IxRjYj
Australia: (JHS mod version) bit.ly/2s56joI
• Boss BD-2 Blues Driver
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2nuCD65
USA: bit.ly/3n1Me19
• Maxon AD-9 Pro
Just discontinued in the UK. Try www.maxonfx.com/nine-series-ef...
• EHX Crayon 76
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2tpl6OQ
USA: imp.i114863.net/5rKo9
• Ibanez Tube Screamer Mini
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dRVXa2
USA: imp.i114863.net/qMVY5
• TC Electronic Corona Chorus+
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2sUvnBQ
USA: imp.i114863.net/QD0kP
Australia: bit.ly/2tsgzvH
• TC Electronic The Prophet Digital Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2s50NTg
Australia: bit.ly/2tsgzvH
• Mooer Treilocopter
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2i8yiDi
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Amps in this episode:
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - No longer made, link to latest version
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2KBwMWc
USA: imp.i114863.net/jbVqe
Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro & The Rules!: 00:00
- The big reveal: 0:45
- Dan’s board choices/prices (despite abysmal maths): 1:12 (quick play through at 7:07))
- Mick’s choices/prices… 2:34 (quick play through at 5:25)
- …and how he built it: 3:21
- Today’s amp: 9:05
- Dan’s board in detail… 9:30
- Mooer ElecLady: 10:40 (playing at 12:30)
- EHX Soul Food: 14:40 (playing at 15:20)
- Soul Food & Maxon delay: 16:40
- Boss BD-2 Blues Driver: 17:20
- BD-2 & Soul Food together: 19:00
- Maxon AD9 Pro Delay: 20:55 (playing at 23:00)
- Mick’s board in detail: 29:10
- Electro-Harmonix Crayon: 30:53 (playing at 31:25)
- Ibanez Tube Screamer Mini: 35:43
- TC Corona Chorus+: 38:35 (playing at 40:39)
- Mick’s analogue/digital delay observations: 46:05
- Thoughts on super cheap pedals: 47:36
- TC Electronic Prophet Digital Delay: 48:50
- Mooer Trelicopter: 53:40
- What about a loop switcher?: 58:50
- Star of the show?: 58:27
- What about power? 59:27
- 100k subs? What?!: 1:00:45
- Two more guitars, just for fun… 1:01:54
Guitars in this episode
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
• Fender American Vintage’62 Stratocaster - watch Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Collings 360LT with Lollar Gold Foil pickups
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I have a hunch Corona chorus is not going to be this year's top seller
Haha:)
HI MICK real grass always sounds better than fake they have gotten much better at making the fake stuff really good it's not like back in the old day where the fake stuff was crap but it still does not have the FEEL of the real thing.
Side discussion on tone grass? Does rye grass sound different from Kentucky Blue grass?
Comment of the year right there
Man that Blues Driver and Soul Food sound KILLER together!
Oh Mick "I'm a sucker for self oscillation"...Solid double entendre...
But Mick, do you have to take the pedals off to mow your board?? Seems a bit labor intensive.
+jeffreylane73 Depends on the weather. A little mow action to keep one's growth tidy. ;0)
Soon to be his cats favorite bathroom
The Karate kid loves maxon pedals as you have the option of maxon or max off
+Chris Bailey look eye, always look eye
+Chris Bailey Bravo, sir. Bravo!
Haha it’s such a bad joke but so funny
sweep the arpeggios, johnny!
Nice use of an analog saw, Mick!
+Stuart Crandall Can't be doing with these new fangled digital saws. They don't feel right, etc. ;0)
not to mention these new saws aren't built with the right tonewood! LOL great video you guys. These budget challenges are always awesome to watch.
These saw video guys and their lack of awareness of the common craftsman.
i thought it was an acoustic saw, i might be out of date in my saw terminology.
This is my favorite show, not just on UA-cam, but anywhere. I want to see a show that explores running power. Daisy chaining vs dedicated power and how the tone can be effected.
350 lb. Pedalboard?
Sounds heavy, man.
Christopher Brunelli spit out my coffee at work
Your work is watching YT videos?
Jealous.
Heavy enough to djent?
Not funny mate. Just immediately come across as childish! Sad
Ok, so is now the time for £3500 board?
With that kind of money it's easy to end up with only two-three pedals! ;) Let me say, Moog MF-104M Super Delay and a Klon Centaur and maybe with a WV MK2 as well. I would spend it like that, yey ;)
+mattiv1 Check out Mick's pedalboard build....
I will check out, thanks.
+Tomson kolson There are alternatives to KCentaur, there are proofs for that... :) I'd change Moog's delay for Empress Superdelay, awe-some.
They are, absolutely! I do have a RYRA Klone pedal myself, and it's great. But my idea within Your idea was, if I had 3500 quids to spend on pedals, I would like to buy those "mythical" units and see if they are really worth the price. Probably not, hehe.
I don't know if a Butler tube driver counts as mythical, but it's a pricy boutique and it's losing badly to a Fulltone OCD for something like 1/4th the price. I'll bend it to my will/sell it.
More of Boy the Cat! Future internet star!
+James Dalziel Hahahahaha!!!
Mick should totally bring Boy to the pedal shed and see what combinations he likes pedal-wise! "That Cat Pedal Show....." "Oh look Dan! He Jumped on your vintage Mistress...Dan?! DAN!!! :)"
Cat pedal show
Boy is a ToneSnob. TPS is beneath him.
Best show on UA-cam, period.
You 2 are awesome people.
Take care
WINE!!!!! Good man :-)
+Andertons Music Co Yeah baby - it's Friday!
You said it was Monday night - at least, it was when you started the build... did it really take 4 days, 1 hour and eight minutes?
Graeme Hodges It's always Friday when you have a glass of wine in your hand
they film the episode on tuesdays
+Andertons Music Co on it ;)
The Eleclady sounds brings Gilmour to mind (naturally). I know this has been done by others, but... Would it be too much to ask for a Gilmour-oriented episode? One pedal brand I'm dying to see you guys discuss is Buffalo FX, their Evolution pedal in particular.
Would love a Gilmour episode. Maybe bring in Gilmourish Riis for a collab? :)
Gotta have an old CE-2 at the end of the FX chain. Going to just one of the HiWatt heads. As I understand it, one of the delays and one (he has two in his live rig) CE-2 just go to one Hi-Watt, then ofc he has his Leslie
Oh, and that's why I bought the Mooer and saved a few hunnerd bucks.
Or cut anyone's "grass"
Surprise pedal....... Crayon! Awesome
MrOrange agreed it was nice sound
I've spent about that just on Gigrig power lol
I have an EHX Crayon, and its killer for getting extra grain, or aggression out of another gain source (amp or pedal).
Its a hidden Metal beast, I dont know why more metal guys dont use them over TS pedals.
You can dial far more bass out (great for low tunings) and if you amp pre does not quite do metal by itself, it with thrust it into metal territory (usually a slight to large bass cut slight treble boost) with gain on next to nothing (8 oclock) volume anywhere from 12 oclock to full, and it will make your amp grittier and boost and add compression .
To me it can be used like a "turbo" tube screamer when you need to add more punch and grit as well as compression. On amps that have hi gain but are maybe a little smooth or sweet sounding (maybe more blue rock oriented) you can make them snarl with the Crayon, and focus the bass/low end far better than any tube screamer. It does not have much more gain passed 12 oclock and most of the bite i find is under 9 oclock gain, but its amazing. then there are the usual uses people use them for lool
So for itself does it work? I found it a little bit crunchy not in a good way for metal tones.
@@martinpadel7775 The way I use this pedal for metal is to stack into something RAT or OCD based that is maybe quite thick and a little too woolly usually, and it adds some edge , definition and tone shaping
As a Core tone I dont think it works for Metal even when boosted, but using it as a boost through a more "muffled" sound, its brilliant.
For metal I love it in front of a TRex Mudhoney2, it really enhances the grit and articulation , but you can set up the bass to be tight and modern or bigger and doomy,, I love it.
Not sure if I answered your question
Man alive!!!
That Crayon thing sounds bloody brilliant!!!
Cheers, chaps!
MadDrummer100000 it is. Get yourself one. You will love it more
I re-watch this episode a lot... Its so cool
You guys are the reason I’m really happy with my pedalboard thanks so much for your work!
Teasing us with the Two Rock on the left!
+JW Mmmmmmm....
Barely visible and just waiting to be played....I suppose that would have blown the budget :)
16:33 the soothing sound of switch pop through delay....
Watched this years ago. I'm putting a mini pedal board together, so today I watched it again, now with the specific interest in the e-lady that I just bought used. Realized I have to get the Trelicopter.
I love how TPS tweak their pedals while playing to get the effect to work with the over all sound.
That Blues Driver! I don't know how can I live without one of those...
The note at 7:45 was a glorious thing to behold. Nice job, Dan. That bend with that gain sounded like Dave Kilminster.
as £350 converts to $620 Aussie money:
RAT2 - $90
Timmy - $200
Small Stone Nano - $95
Xvive Memory Analog Delay - $130
TC Electronic Sky Surfer reverb - $95
$610 = 342 British Pounds
Really love seeing you guys get some great sounds with stuff I might actually be able to buy. Great Episode!
I’ll tell you why I love this episode so much: I own less than 10 pedals, only recently bought an isolated power supply, and I buy most of my stuff used on Reverb. This was just like my own life! So relatable. You guys should do stuff like this more often. But even if you don’t, keep it up! Love the show.
Totally with Dan and the flanger being the only modulation pedal. It can fake a chorus, phaser and rotary decently well. Digging Mick's choice in cats, pretty sure that's a reissue cat but still good none the less.
dexthebutcher - no it’s vintage, but was inexpertly refinished in the late 90s.
Sterling effort. Adding Wimbledon to pedals is just inspired.
I love these long videos! They get me through the workday!
Brilliant. Now it's time for that build a pedal challenge!!
HELLO!!!! :-)
+Andertons Music Co hello back! ;)
That Pedal Show get a room!
fucking hell look at these boomers
Howdy
D&M $229 (not sucking up) > MXR mini phase 95 $100 > TC alter ego 2 $100 > beer (preferably west coast style IPA $23
This makes my friday night every week!
I wait for this literally months!!!!! THANK YOU.
Suggestion: Board challenges to cover rock genres (blues rock, 70s prog, punk etc). One gets a bigger budget to see if it made a huge difference.
Great idea!
Coffee? Check.
Strat? Check.
New That Pedal Show? Check.
Good Friday, boys!
might think about getting a stand for the "name drop" horn so it's always at hand. I enjoyed this show !
Dan to your question at 45:12 the toneprint app will only allow you to download pre-set tones, but (and this is where i spend countless hours of fun!) you can also download for free the tone print editor (i have it on my mac but there is also an iPad version which i haven't used yet). I have a sub n up so as well as having infinite control over those octave tones (and edit the presets / artists versions, etc) you can also add Corona Chrous, Voltex Flanger and / or shaker vibrato and have ability to edit how those tones are applied too. You can only add it to the wet signal (which makes sense or they'd only need to make these as a single pedal) but it does give you the ability to add those modulation sounds. So whilst you can't dial in your pedal to be a completely different pedal you can do a ton more than what the toneprint app can.........
I find that the BD2 and the Crayon work really together for me! Blues Driver for rhythm work and then the Crayon for mid-humped lead stuff
Great video! I love my Soul Food and I use a EP boost after it for lead tones. Thanks for all you guys do every week! I have learned so much and now I got my sound!
+Mike Klean Nice one Mike. Are you Mike Derty with both pedals on? ;0)
49:47 Aaaah, good to hear that lick Pete went nuts with making a cameo on TPS! lol
Nobody realized it at the time but Dan has those new toneprints programmed into his brain now.
Just had an idea for the name-drop horn!! How about mounting it on a short mic-stand? The mic clip might be close to the diameter of the horn neck. Just have it pointed down and pump when needed!
Great video. For years, I got by with an Ibanez SD-9 Sonic Distortion, a Boss GE-7 EQ and a DOD FX65 Stereo Chorus. I relied on the amp to supply the reverb.
This was fantastic!!!! WOW! Getting a one-one consult about pedalboards from the experts!!! Thanks Lads! Good advice! I like Mick's chain better FWIW. Both are great!
No fuzz? What? WHAT?! Noooo!
I'm from Canada and 350 pounds is almost $600 for us! Can you do $350 in cad? That would be almost 210 pounds. A lot of my customers would not buy $600 worth of pedals. I think you'll have fun with this one lol
Wow. EHX, Maxon / Ibanez, TC Electronic & Mooer - all got 2 each, in the challenge. ( I Love the Mooer E-Lady Flanger ). Dan, I also Re-Watched - your 2 Pedalboard Builds for Ed O'Brien ( from Radiohead ) and they were Packed with So Much Useful Information. Phenomenal Videos. I could watch them . . . over & over.
The soul food is absolutely fantastic for the price,I have a bunch of high end pedals and I always come back to it
I'm thinking, screw tolex. Amp covered head to cab in Homebase fake grass... awesome
+neuk01642 YES!
neuk01642 Saw a Smart car grassed up. it wasn't pretty.
There's an innocent smoothie van that drives around here covered in the stuff.
Maxon is the company Ibanez contracted to make the original tubescreamer , maxon stuff is literally the best Japanese pedal maker bar none
Les Paul and Crayon! Love it!
NIce Job ! Affordable tone goodness !
Jeezy peeps, I'm binge watching TPS like it's the next GOT or Breaking Bad.
Cat's the star! :)
over an hour long, love it!
I love the cat and the corona chorus! 🐈
EVH 5150 OD vs Empress Heavy vs Truetone Jekyll and Hyde video please! Along w any other pedals like it if you like
got stung for the grass. lol
Awesome video. Cheers from Canada!
I think one of the coolest things here, revisiting 8 months later is that the enjoyment of and enthusiasm for these (less expensive) pedals is real and discernible. No need to have Uber-expensive, cork-sniffery pedals to enjoy pedals and tones. Pedal love for everyone at almost any price point. That’s the thing. Still well-done guys.
Maxon SD-9 is one of the greatest distortion pedals for strats, both Landau and Scott Henderson use it!
Great, great episode. That soul food/ blues driver combo has made me rethink my life.
+Michael stibor Cool sounds, huh!
Michael stibor soul food pushing an OCD is pretty special too
Been using a prophet for a slapback for a couple years now and love it! Thanks for showcasing that! If you want a budget alternative to the Ibanez delay, try a garagetone axle grease! Great lofi analog sound!
3:57 - Love how the wine level keeps going consistently down. The secret ingredient to making any good pedalboard!
Nah, the secret ingredient clearly is that pedalboard GRASS.
Dan and Mick, I would love a show about guitars direct into a sound board for live performance. My Lead guitarist and myself(rhythm guitar + lead singer) fight with volume levels and tones all the time. We currently use guitar processors and a DI box, which we hate. But we are stuck in a SMALL venue for a cover gig. So I'm currently using a boss me-20. Which I freakin hate. But I get a great clean tone, but a crappy OD tone. Which I have learned from your show is because of PA headroom and lack of compression. I'm about to scrap my whole rig for a wampler plexi-drive plus, and some add on's, just get some tone and cut thru. My lead player uses a silver jubilee at home. I use a jcm 900 at home. But for our cover gig (American 90's alternative) we can't use. SO, post some options for the small venue/ PA sounds. Much appreciated, and also we love how one dude swangs and the other dude dials. That's how we do it too. Thanks, Doc + Stox, from Iraq. I should mention, our Cover Gig is from the Embassy in Iraq. So we can't buy just anything, we have to research on the net, test it quickly when we go home, and mule it in when we come back.
+Work Videos yes, we've been suggested this for a while. Let's do it
"Corona chorus" aged rather poorly didn't it
Think I might cop one
As always, Great show guys! Mickkk!!! I took ur advice and bought an amplifier (Marshal 1962 HW) and its amazing. I stole an idea from one of your show and tweaked it a little bit. I ran delay on the effect loop of one amp while running tremolo on the other and it worked magic! Thank you so much for you advice!
Revelation: modulation before drive! Thanks guys, don’t know why I’ve never tried this before but I just put my small stone before my drive pedals and can see me using it so much more now!
Hey Mick, I was impressed with your pedal board build but Boy looked like he couldn't care less. The grass did look like a nice bed for him though
+Chris Hepburn He hates cameras. If there was no camera, he'd have been 'helping' me to the point of distraction. Lovely chap he is!
That Pedal Show Oh, he's camera shy, that makes sense. Yes, he does look like a lovely chap!
I would chose
EHX Nano Big Muff > Ibanez TS Mini > Danelectro Cool Cat Vibe > Mooer Reecho > TC Hall Of Fame Mini
+Gerardo Díaz nice! Danelectro have done some great stuff
That Pedal Show - my vote for Danelectro is the Sitar Swami. It's the kind of pedal that you'll find no use for unless you need exactly what it does.
If, however, you need exactly what it does, then nothing else will work.
I had in my life exactly one such occasion and it was amazing.
I literally want all of those drive pedals! ❤
this is great so far! micks board is too cool! I relate to the sounds Dan was coming up with but there's great tones from both rigs!
almost forgot, awesome d+m shirt!!!!
TC Electron's mojomojo overdrive is awesome. About 50 quid I think
The best 40 quid I ever spent.
Harry Emmott yeah, they just upped it to $75.99, which still isn’t bad. But unfortunately out of my budget. I was thinking about getting a TC Cinders, currently on sale for $39.99.
@@erictoniaschwab1009 you can find the MojoMojo used for $45-$50, in excellent condition. I did! 😉
I realize it would have been against the rules, but would have been pretty funny if dans board was just a ce-1 😂
+MrBingping It was discussed....
Great show guys,I'm running a pretty fast,medium intensity trem into a flanger and damn me if that ain't the best chorus I heard tonight.every day is a school day
I can't believe you guys are only at 91k subscribers. You guys are awesome!
Hello Boy!!!!
+Caleb Paden Meeooowww!
That Pedal Show Cat not very happy, hence wagging tail
Richard Huckle One of my cats wags his tail when he's happy.
Rabbs 77 same. My cat never stops wagging her tail.
This was super fun! Thanks, guys! Have you had many requests for a similar challenge (maybe up to $500?), but for a bass board? Would love to be able to help my bass-playing friends with their rigs. Could be cool if you guys brought in a bassist, built him/her a board, and then walked us through it - kind of like how you did the slide board with Ariel. Apologies if this is redundant. Thanks and Blessings
+Dan Hodson We are sooooo doing this. Thanks for the suggestion Dan!
That Pedal Show Wow! Sweet!
stoked for this!
Ribbon mic sounds great! 👌🏻
Got to second Mick's comment that using the Generator, and The Gig Rig modular power system- it truly is a revelation! Best pedal power available- hands down!
Thanks guys.
Great video and love the idea of having a smaller budget for creating a mini pedal board ,that will satisfy majority of players.
Now what I will say, may get booed by others,
would you ever consider reviewing multi effects units, like boss gt1 or zoom g3?
Could you guys dial a decent sound that surprises you and the viewers?
Jameslbm - maybe this could be a good challenge to put Dan and Mick outside their comfort zone ;)
There's no reason for the modulations, delays or reverbs on multi-effect units to be worse. Under the hood, most of them are digital. I'd like to see them have a go at the Zoom MS series, particularly the 70CDR that omits any sort of distortion.
I think the problem with multi effects demos is that it takes years to really learn how to use any multi effect properly. It's taken me 12 years to master my Boss ME-50 and I'm still trying new things with it. But I'll tell you what, no one with a pedal board has been able to top my tone yet.
Booooooooooooo. ;-)
Keep your views to yourself next time , enough fucking crazies on here already! !
Mick: "Definitely getting into Colour Box territory there."
Me: *Wonders whether crayons might be found inside a Colour Box*
Fun fact, at almost the exact same time same time that EHX released the Crayon, JHS released a stripped down version of the Colour Box that was just the pre-amp section for guitars. What did JHS call this simplified (and significantly less expensive) version of the Colour Box? “Crayon,” naturally. I am not aware that JHS and EHX got in any legal tiff over this; just a funny coincidence.
i learn so much from u guys! thank u and please keep up the great work. i just took my flanger and put it in front of my soul food and.... thank u:)
+Joe Greto ah, cheers Joe ;)
Great episode! Surprising what you can achieve with good combinations and a tight budget. Good time to buy pedals too I think. Mooer, Digitech, TC (non toneprint range), Tonecity just to name a few are bringing out some really nice and cheap pedals. Not all are great but there are some gems.
I use a soul food, and I feed it in to my big muff, it gives the muff the top end for a good lead tone.
Nice nice nice!
Hope to see a really expensive version of this!
+Gibby SG unsure we can make that happen ;)
although this was a challenge video, ton of usefull information, thanks guys for making it easy for us. totally get a Corona chorus so I can get chorus+ and flanger in the toneprint mode on the same pedal
I would play with Dan's board all days! The Soul Food/BD-2 is a great combo.
Who has the perfect Telecaster Dan or Pete? Will we ever find out? Can they even be in the same room at the same time? I think we need answers!!
+Bigup Bebop Hahaha!!! There's no such thing. But yes, perhaps this should happen. ;0)
P.S. Dan, considering the way you're affected when doing the Toneprint thing, have you checked to see if it's actually loaded into your brain?
Great work!
Excited to see what you guys do with the NRG purrer drive!
I'm surprised there's no compression there.
Fuzz is all you need shirt..... no fuzz on board..... ;)
Mostly atop his head..he's covered..lol
Love your homemade board, Mick!
A must watch show! You should include also Carl Martin pedals, like the Opto Compressor, in your reviews. Cheers.