This SILVER LIFEWEAVER can't rank up... can we figure out why? | Spectating Overwatch 2
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In silver, healing your allies makes them miss their shots longer
i'm technically plat (still not good but i'm learning) but i was with some silver teammates in a QP game recently and i swear this is true. the more you're fighting to keep them up, the more they decide they can stand in the open and get shot at while missing 75% of their shots. Then run at the enemy and away from you so you can't heal them.
the dps in that match started flaming the mercy on our team for doing "too much damage boost and not enough heals" after he asked her the percentage and she said she was at 30% dmg boost so far. i thought he was gonna complain about not having blue beam, but no. the man was literally running at the team like this soldier was. dumbest thing i've ever witnessed. i normally don't flame ppl EVER (esp not in QP) but he was being extremely rude/toxic to my fellow support so i had to take it to the match chat so the whole enemy team could shit talk him.. it was mind baffling how someone could get so mad and be so stupid at the same time. (the other silver dps just minded their own business tho so they were fine).
i can handle getting flamed myself if im playing poorly, but someone with a literal pebble for a brain insulting another teammate just drives me up the wall. anyway, that is my rant/experience with that particular silver player. i am done now sorry lmao
@@no_i_dont_want_no_slugsoh wow im a plat 2 console support and usually have 40-60% blue beam usage whenever i play mercy and still feel like i need to damage boost more😂 complaining about 30 is impressive
@@GiovannaMMIV30% is usually where I am unless the other support is Chad chaddington III
REAL
@@GiovannaMMIVat least in Plat they hit their shots , In Silver they be having 35% Helix Accuracy or smth like that
Chat: “How much more healing does a 75 heal do than a 50?”
Emongg: “25.”
Chat trying to stump emongg with the tough questions.
I think its because this use charges only to 50 and heals instead of 75
@@srivenkatsabbineni8957 often it’s better to heal to their 1 shot breakpoints by spamming 25 - 50 rather than try to 75 heal constantly, and then after breakpoints or when at a more comfortable health bar point then full charge 75
@@CatgirlKiyanadefinetly but this lifeweaver wasn't optimizing the healing when a teammate didn't get focused and still healed with 40-50 heals which is worse and also a good tip for him would be to throw preventive petal platform to in case you need it so you have 2 petal platforms if you get flanked in which he is lucky he wasnt
@@srivenkatsabbineni8957I have no idea what your comment is trying to say lmao
Before the buffs lifeweaver healed for 65 max charge instead of 75
Your tank loves re-engaging in 2v5's when you pull them out of lost fights
That is the life of a weaver main in low elo lol. You pulled your ally to safety on top of petal at 5 hp to save them and heal them to full? NOPE.JPG. Theyre back in that fight after 1 50 hp heal and off the petal, blaming you for them dying 3 seconds later.
This Lifeweaver was just having a really hard time
He kept pulling his teammates out of danger, and they were like - no, I'm trying to feed here!
Classic example of trying to save silver players not being a reliable way to climb out of silver yourself. It's like you keep funding an idiot to invest your money in the stock market, doesn't matter how much money you get them if they always invest in poor yielding stocks, you aint getting a return on that investment.
You gotta figure out how you can become the difference maker, and LW really isn't the answer here unless you go full yolo dps style (which requires mechanics and game sense far beyond what this guy is displaying).
Better choice is to apply a soft dps playstyle but with Moira. Easy mechanics, easy escape options, fair mobility, high single-target pressure potential. Balanced heals when needed and is convenient. Best support to climb to Diamond with by far, and the main reason is that you aren't relying on healing idiots to achieve your core win condition.
@@Real_MisterSirbased opinion. However expecting bronze to Plat players to understand how to climb out of low elo is stupid.
@@wonCB Yep there's a solid reason why the vast majority are unable to climb, despite there being ample coaching material freely available on youtube already that shows exactly what they would have to do to improve. Most just really do not care enough to genuinely try.
He belongs in gold - low plat with his performance. I was d1 and then decided to test lifeweaver out by playing him only for 50 games, de ranked to gold 1 cs of dps diffs usually and the game is too easy now
This is why you get good at zen or illari or something to climb lol. All the heals in the world.... to quote flats; "you cant heal stupid"
Exactly
That's what I say every game 😭
I recently climbed to Master 1 on Lifeweaver. Here are some quick tips:
If no one is able to use your tree then break it. You will start gaining ult for the next one.
Use corners more. You only need to peak for less than a second to heal.
Tree gives a quick burst of healing so is great for countering ults mid fight as well as breaking LOS to shield your team from Ults (Dva bomb, captive sun)
Use petal to position yourself around Mei wall and shields as your healing cant go through shields but can slingshot around.
Place petals before fights as the cd starts immediately and doesn't disappear until you use it.
Why before fights? Fights are pretty dynamic and having petal being locked to one spot seems super inconvenient. Especially if playing against say dive characters or an orisa.
if u need to replace it it will be able to be used again. If the original petal becomes useless, don't use it and replace it.@@RiderZer0
Sooo it's my team then because im still in bronze but I've learned all of these tips and I feel that I have decent-above average game knowledge and fundamentals
Climbed from Silver to Plat with LW too and I have to say in some games his damage is not bad. When you can use a good corner spot for choke spam you can poke or even pick off some enemies over long distance. Also you don't need to reload most of the times, since you auto reload when you use heal and vice versa
@@strayzzfaxz6740if you watch enough of these videos, you will know it isn't your teams. it never is. you are making plenty of mistakes that are the reason you're in silver.
as a mercy main, what i learned is to not play mercy in silver. she is highly dependent on her team doing well/their job, making it almost impossible to climb in low ranks. imo, the same applies to lifeweaver-you can make some AMAZING plays but it’s just difficult to climb out of low ranks
to add, I see a lot of Mercy's in lower ranks never Blue beam especially in Valk. Yes she is team dependent but she has more enabling utility than LW. Just wish more Mercy's knew that cause LW/Mercy can be deadly lol
@@funkycrawler619 i agree!! mercy is great at enabling, her dmg boost is strong! but when her team can’t take advantage of the dmg boost, you aren’t providing as much value as you could.
in lower ranks, i noticed mercy players not using her dmg beam (when she should) as much despite it being one of the most valuable abilities of her kit. breaks my heart XD lifeweaver and mercy are one of my fav support comps, so fun
Controversially I think it’s possible to one trick mercy in low ranks and win. Down that low people don’t shoot at you. Honestly low rank mercy is a lot of heal botting and battle mercy, compared to high rank mercy which is blue beam and pocket. But it is possible to climb with her. But it’s definitely very hard to climb out of silver playing mercy the right way, and it’s easier to just play Moria and dps until about diamond. After diamond its- easier ish to play her right
While I agree that Mercy is probably the hardest character to climb with due to being very team-dependent, I've found that most Mercys never take advantage of their pistol, especially when they have infinite ammo during Valk.
This is why I think Ana and Bap are the hard carry supports. I mained Ana and made it from plat to masters. Took awhile but I wasn't exactly grinding the game lol.
The easiest way to climb out of silver on support is to just play Moira. She can bring quite a big of damage as well as big heals. Then, once you get to a rank where you can actually count on your team to do their job, you can go back to playing LW. Worked for me.
ive heard this a lot, and i think illari is gonna be another really good option for climbing out of low ranks for the same exact reason, big heals and big damage means lots of solo carry potential
just depends on whether you want to aim or not ig
@@ChmmrMoira is easier for bad people
@@Chmmrillari requires team play as pylon is static and her burst heal doesn’t have enough duration
Baptist is a way better choice for climbing. Of course you have to be able to hit some shots and have good game sense but if you can do it it's easy to climb to atleast low to high diamond or higher.
What surprises me is that nobody is mentioning ana.
Yes she is harder to learn and to pull off. But when you get the mechanics and positioning down you skyrocket up the ranked ladder. Ana is one of the most impactfull and versatile supports in the game.
most things I noticed, which were crucial to this match (in my opinion) .... FIRST.. the soldier constantly running towards the enemy spawn. SECOND.. the Tank gets pulled back multiple times so he DOESN'T die, then doesn't search cover, but runs right back into enemy fight just to die, making the pull irrellevant. Really good Lifeweaver gameplay. Just listen to what Emongg is saying in this video and next time might go better.
I feel bad for him, each time he pulled his tank from danger (like Ram's ult) the tank immediatly went back to the danger.
1:28 Bap tries to heal himself by shooting the floor
That doesn’t work ?
no it does not. thats why he has his fist pump aoe heal ability@@dfreeman251
@dfreeman251 No, for some reason his heal bombs just don't effect him.
@@andrewgreenberg1862 for what reason does it need to heal him? most supports can't heal themselves through their primary method of healing
@@denny8422I think they mean it doesn't make sense in-universe that Bap's healing grenades can affect everyone other than him. from a gameplay perspective, it makes sense - just like Mercy can't beam herself, LW can't heal himself via his primary healing, etc - but from an in universe perspective, it doesn't make sense.
Your soldier is absolutely infuriating to watch, that man has a death wish, but special mention to that tank that died at least 3 times more than they needed to by walking back into damage in a lost teamfight for absolutely no reason.
Being a Mercy or a LW main in low rank must be tough. It seems that it doesn't matter how good your heals are or how much you save your teammates if they can't do their part.
i went from Gold 5 to Bronze 3 just by playing Lifeweaver. 20k+ heals almost every match, half of those i get blamed for not healing enough. i went back to Zen and am slowly climbing back. i get way better teammates in quickplay. it's wild QP feels like old comp and current comp feels like playing with people who got lobotomized the decision making I've seen today made me want to kms
were all gonna make it @@ZenJestr
It's rare for me to say, but they should have swapped. Lifeweaver's pull and peatal requiers the team to be a little cooporative, but they weren't so both of those abilities were worthless so at that point I think it's just better to change to another support that has abilities that don't requier the team to cooporate.
I also think the positioning could have been better and you know sometimes you can sacrifice your own survivability if it means you can save the rest of your team. If the rest of your team is 100% about to die it's better to jump in to try to save them even if it only hads a 1% chance to work. Worst case you're joining your team at spawn.
yeah Bap or maybe even lucio would have been a better pick. The suicidal teammates that just run right back in after he pulls them is evident that the ability is going to be worthless.
@@Smokron What's Lucio going to do, help them run into enemy spawn 30% faster?
Genuinely, I don't think amy swap would have done much. Lucio would help them suicide faster, bap mightve but not certain, its just a loss that was bound to happen honestly
@@charlesnojinson4760 That difference could have tipped the scale.
They were literally a heal bot. If they had played Bap they would have gotten in some more damage. Mercy can make up for lost damage as well as res to keep a teamfight going. Brig gives good cover to the other support and can tank some for overagressice DPS + added burst damage to secure kill. Moira can use her heal orb to deal with chip damage so she has time to do some damage.
Ya if I'm playing LW and my team is constantly out of position I'll just pull them to me somewhere more in the back line so they have to rethink their strategy and its pretty annoying fir them but I find it tends to help them play smarter. I recommend that honestly. I know when doing that you sacrifice your pull cooldown but I'd rather not have my pull in a lot of those instances and kinda control my team than have my teammates continually die due to them being overly aggressive
as a LW main, those teammates positions hurt my heart
Absolutely infuriating how often they look at the ground after healing😂
Goddamnit I didn't notice before 😂
What a treat!
A video to watch during a boring work meeting at home haha
this comment is really funny for some reason
after sending out a heal, theres a short lockout before you can begin charging again. to minimize downtime, charge up your heals as high as you can manage without overcapping the healing charge. this maximizes healing output though, you might need to send out heals ASAP to prevent them getting followed-up on and finished off.
practice charging as high as you can without hitting the cap of 75, for when its safe to, as well as swapping to critical targets with smaller but faster heals to get them to a safer range ASAP.
On LW this was def one of those games you just couldn't really control the outcome of.
One thing ive learned is that for lower ranks you are gonna have to get a lot more proactive and creative with your plays to climb. If you wanna rely more heavily on your team to do their job that level of compitence isnt gonna be found in silver.
Exactly thats why it feel’s impossible to escape
Go in with at least one other person and don't play Saturday and Sunday it's so much easier
@@eachfilly825 what do two specific days of not to play have to do with this😂?
@@eachfilly825 I should say that I've peaked close to diamond on support prior to the new systems. I just have had issues re-climbing since the whole role reset rank era. I didn't play much then and as a result my support never climbed. Now climbing it from silver 5 where it was has been so much of a task I hadn't bothered till the new hero came out. The hardest part is knowing where and what I should be doing and watching my clueless teammates run in to feed nonstop regardless of the game mode. Classic you can lead a rein to a pylon but you can't make him stop poking his head out to blasted scenario.
Weekends tend to be casual fest cause kids are off school and a good portion of the job base has weekends off. And a lot of these ppl don’t play to hard grind so u tend to get even worst teammates in low ranks due to having less playtime than ppl who consistently grind throughout the week.
Bros baptist was trying to heal himself lomao
This video is a great example of why LW doesn’t feel empowering to play
I disagree. You can really tell now when you are making a difference in the fight with your heals and repositoning abilities. It just annoying fi your teammates can't do what their suppose to.
@@funkycrawler619 He's in Silver. His teammates are in Silver. If he's expecting that he can just "do his job" and climb, it's gonna take a long time. LW has so little carry potential he's a terrible hero to play if you're feeling hardstuck.
Just because your in the same rank, doesn't mean you are the same skill level. He is obviously outperforming his teammates who are suppose to be in his rank. The matchmaking isn't fair by any means, and sometimes there are times you just can't do more.@@jasonreid9267
Been maining him only this season and he really does feel like you do alot, knowing you have control of your team by pulling them out of dumb situiations / insta death, massive ammounts of healing allowing your tank to tank like it's OW1, and then even just feeling like a parkour god when a geji dashes at you and you platform up then dash away into safety, wish people would actually learn / play him a bit as he's the most fun character I have ever played on OW in genral, and before it would have been bap or moira :)
@@jasonreid9267 agree with this massively, in silver 4 atm as I barely play ranked (only playing this season for LW golden gun) and on a 70% win rate and still silver 4, went 5-1 and went to 50% silver 4, then 5-3 and went 80% silver 4, idk if the game really rewards him in ranked for doing massive ammounts of healing but still i find that in games where the team are just not winning you have to either switch to carry or just try and heal bot the tank as much as you can or the person who is actually doing the most :)
Summary: More damage, you don’t need to heal as much
The biggest problem with most low ranked supports is shown well right here. He’s healing a lot, and healing really well. A+. But he’s not doing any damage. You’re never gonna carry games unless you’re actively getting picks and pressuring the enemy. If you’re teammates aren’t or can’t do that, then it’s just not possible to win, no matter how much healing you do.
Especially with this team. Lifeweaver Mercy is an awful duo because only three of the five team members are putting pressure on the enemy.
Doing damage is not Lifeweavers focus, that’s true, but since his buffs, he does a surprising amount now, especially to tanks with their big hitbox which can catch the spread. But there were still many moments where he could have either used his platform to better position himself or his teammates to take off angles (which he never did, he just used it to protect himself which is wrong). Just shooting the enemy, even if you don’t kill anyone, forces them to take caution and play less aggressively. The enemy is also now forced to pay attention and shoot you instead of tour teammates, which actually means that they need less healing since they’ll be taking less damage.
and another battleweaver is born, welcome friend
You cannot damage when your team is taking nonstop damage. Your DPS/Tank's damage output is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than yours. Risking a DPS or tank death to take pot shots just isn't worth it in low ranks. If you want to do that, you did it on bap or zen who heal and damage at the same time.
If this guy's team actually wasn't sprinting full speed into the enemy I would be inclined to agree with you, but he just doesn't have any time to do damage. The devs need to fix the time to swap from weapon to weapon on LW because it's actually pretty long
@@AarPlays Doing damage is more than just taking pot shots. If you are shooting from an off angle and are doing at least some damage to the enemy, then the enemy is forced to turn towards you and shoot you instead of your teammates. This takes pressure off of them and makes it so you don’t need to heal them constantly. His platform can create a quick different angle while still allowing you to be safe.
You don’t even need to secure kills. Just distracting the enemy does a lot. They might waste cooldowns trying to get the pick and might then ignore your teammates who are shooting them from the other angle.
The person has the classic new FPS player mentality of "I must always look at the floor while walking around"
They are “healers” up until high plat/low diamond, and then they unlock the “support” ability.
Remember friends, you don’t need to have a lot of healing if the other team spends most of the game in their own spawn!!
that soldier was carrying, the enemy team.
The trick to climbing out of metals as a Lifeweaver is to be more proactive as opposed to reactive. Place aggressive trees, take aggressive off angles to do damage, use petal to make plays. I otpd Lifeweaver bronze to diamond 3 and becoming a play maker was the biggest thing to help me climb.
I love lw, he feels like the only character who is a defensive play maker. All the other defensive characters are just playing their role but lw is forced to (and can) make big plays to keep their team safe. As a medic main in tf2, that is definitely my preferred playstyle.
I think a good tip would be;
Be in a position that's safe from harm if you pull a teammate.
Sure you "Save" allies but they're still in combat after they reach you.
Something like high ground or staying in the backline near cover works.
One thing with LW, is that I think he gets better the higher he goes. His playmaking potential is his team-sustain is incredibly high but he needs his teammates to really be playing as they should be. He can correct there errors, yes, but if they can't capitalize on his high heals he gets no value which sucks. Even in this game, the Mercy should'e been Blue Beaming more rather than Healing and they probs would've been doing way better. I think point is, people really need to realize that LW puts out an insane amount of heals and that your other support can really use the more play-making parts of their kit and not worry on heals as much. But yea, this LW is doing pretty well and just needs some micro-adjustments to be even better.
the tank running into the ramattra ult again and again everytime the lw pulled them to try to save them pissed me off so bad 😭😭
Your teammates definitely made more mistakes than you did. Maybe climb with a different hero then switch to Lifeweaver?
That’s a really good strategy honestly, in Bronze/Silver you might as well play a support with good DPS and heals (Moira) if you know your DPS are bad (which they obviously are, it’s Bronze/Silver.)
Cause LW relies too much on saving the teams mistakes but that’s pointless when they do the same mistake right after you pull them to safety lol
The tree at 13:11 I'm actually not mad about that, yes it was a waste but no one was dealing with the guy that kept almost killing them. If any of the opposite team went something to contest they would have lost because the soldier kept getting them all 1HP and that Ana keeps playing frontline. So I completely understand why they used it, but at least lifeweavers ultimate is a fast charging one.
Was it a waste of ultimate? yes.
Was it the worst choice? nah not at all.
i noticed he played out in the open a lot, rather than around corners more and died sometimes bc of it. Also in low elo you can't rely on your team to do their jobs, you need to try to carry and be the difference. I know he's on lifeweaver but healing botting like that is just not gonna be enough, you need to know when to dps to secure kills and win the team fights. Lastly i'd recommend duoing with somebody, preferably an orisa and just combo your pull with her ultimate everytime
I think they’re positioned too passively a lot of the time. Really far back, not making much use of verticality. Makes it harder for the heals to be responsive, because of the relatively slow travel time, and forces pull when it maybe could have been avoided. And then when the pull does happen, it puts the teammate in a passive position too.
They’re also not attentive to teammates using their own defensive abilities. Like, if Sig is using Kinetic Grasp (as at 11:15), the pull is actually gonna deny him overhealth I think because the pull bubble blocks the damage. And, he should be safe to just heal, unless he’s taking a bunch of beam or melee damage.
where should lw be positioned then /gen? his hitbox is quite large and hes easy to hit so when i play i find myself positioned behind things where my team is still in los. what kinda pos would be better?
the way I started hearing the halo shield faliure sound at 0:53
i've been playing lw on quick play these past days and i'm enjoying it a lot and winning most of my games and i'm thinking about starting to play ranked with him but im also scared of my teammates 😭
There are days where I win games with him and those where I lose but playing lifeweaver is legit fun cuz you get to save teammate from the brink of death
@@baby-galaxy-dino9456 Did you watch hte video Emong posted? You get to *try to* save your teammate. They're just going to walk back into the torb lava.
@@TheRusty Nuh uh
@@TheRusty I’m literally replying with my own personal experience about me playing lifeweaver, not the video
this reminds me. I got a really dumb PoTG with LW a few weeks ago I wish I saved. I literally just destroyed a torb turret and that was it. lol Talk about great LW plays. lol
constantly looking down every second gave me a head ache
All those times that the LW was stuck in Rams vortex, I was screaming for him to dash out. I forget that the Alternate controls don’t let you dash out cuz you have to jump first.
OG controls are better
I would say i see a ton of feeding, especially for junk spam, but the LW is feeding ult too.
Probably just a silver thing because i do that occasionally in bad position, but this is consistent like falling deaths in Rialto
I've started flanking and pulling my tank to their back line when I get teams like this..
clever, added to my battleweaver toolkit
ive been trying so hard to climb out of silver into gold but as soon as I get like halfway through silver 2 I just begin losing like crazy, I know in some situations im at fault and could've have better positioning or made more aggressive plays but the main problem always ends up being a tank or dps (specifically tanks), silver tank players do NOT know how to back out or group up, its so tiring.
I'm good with lw now, he aint awful but the solution in a team like this is to pick a support who can heal an output damage to try an make more of an impact, the lw play wasnt awful either, but unfortunately one tricking isnt a strong lw choice if you are trying to climb for the first time
Also emongg that patient answer for the 75 vs 50 heals...you are a damn Saint bro 😂
I just want to say that I'm so glad I kept the dash on my shift and got used to the manual swap. I do not struggle with Ram's vortex, can react faster and jump further (if I jump right after dash on a flat surface). It just feels so much better, but I never met another lw with manual swap (only ml7 still does that, i guess)
That's how I play LW. Being able to rapidly switch between DPS and Heal with Quick Swap is a Godsend. And Shift Dash is the only way to play LW, imo. With Shift Dash, you can Jump Combo with it for extra distance, which I do all the time. With Double Jump Dash, you can't because you have to Jump to initiate Dash so you can't Jump out of Dash for extra distance. Also, having an immediate Dash instead of having to Jump first can be the difference between avoiding a shot and getting hit by said shot. Also also, Petal on Shift just feels weird to me. I much prefer it on Right Click. I'm surprised you haven't met other LW players who use the Original Controls for him. The vast majority of players, when the revamped Control Scheme was released, still opted to keep the Original Control Scheme for the above mentioned reasons. So good on you for playing him "right."
i use manual switch too xD@@ForeverDegenerate
i use right click to dash like tracer blink, pull is on shift like hog hook, q for manual switch and e for petal, ctrl for ult.
this scheme but do have a major flaw, atleast for me, ie, can't put petal down when you are charging up your healing blossoms. able to put petal down when firing damage, but for heals, it just cancels the heals without putting the petal down. have died a few times cause of this.
and actually i prefered the og og control scheme, iirc, in that its like the revamped scheme but dash having its own button, ie, can shoot damage with the button itself instead of manual swapping and using left click itself to shoot as is now.
hope this statement is understandable.
the old on release scheme was like the hybrid of current revamped scheme and manual switch scheme, which was my preference xD
@@nugudave if you're using manual swap, what's your value of the option "secondary fire cancels primary fire when using manual swap" in hero settings? Just change it to "off")
it was "on"@@Ithilis
changed it to "off" now and it worked.
thank you very much.
wow, I didn't know there were such options. I swap heal and damage by left/right click holding, and double jump to dash. I'll try to unlearn my default control brain (i have 15 hours on him i think)
The problem at silver and bronze (and even a bit of gold) is that yeah, if you heal a better player they’re going to do better and take over. But that relies on you having the better dps on your side and that is the coin flip.
I’m support and I do similar healing but like I put out a crap ton of damage. I’m constantly shooting mercy, picking off a support, headshotting Ana so she uses her nade and then we push, supports do almost as much damage as dps buy we also have tankiness with self healing and I promise you if you come across me in a game, I’m healing but I’m shouting you and killing your DPS too and it’s all extra crap for you to catch up on in terms of healing. Weaver just isn’t good at putting that offensive damage forward.
In low ELO you are NOT supporting a high level reliable person who player who is going to do great work if you keep them up, you are trying to undo people’s mistakes with your healing while taking your own duels to reduce enemy pressure so you can turn the fight.
You played fine but play your ELO. You’d get away with that in higher gold and plat probably.
You’ll get there lad
Be less afraid to charge it less, 35-40 is still a really good heal and can be more consistent for covering damage break points.
Throw like 50 or so if they are below half or are a critical tank. if your just passively healing or they’re above half, go for the 75
6:07 run for cover quick! >the tire climbing the wall to land on you >surprise mother fucker
I feel like if it was flats watching this he'd be so much more harsh
Def
I climbed to gm1 on support with a almost 5k healing per 10. Healing isnt how you climb sadly. Its about supporting your team and at low ranks, the best support just does everything themselves. Your team will flame you for not healing, but youll eventually climb to a rank where youll be forced to heal because your teammates will be far more aggressive than you could ever be on support. Then you can play lifeweaver and mercy. Their kits require your teammates to do the work and well, silver teammates are in silver for a reason. If you can aim just play zen. Everyone is always out of position and you can orb your tank discord theirs and just fire away for an easy climb
the most important thing to learn on any Hero is when NOT to play them. And as a support, that you need to bring more than raw healing. Dont be a one-trick, don't be a healbot. I wouldnt be playing LW at all on Midtown, cause the mapdesign just doesnt synergize very well with his kit. Long straight sections with little highground, just makes it very hard to get good value from both the pull and the petal, and he was too busy healing to ever add DPS.
I know this is a video and its silver but the amount of times I'm yelling at the tank that keeps pushing after being pulled and dying i feel should be concerning
As a gold support. I duo-trio queue with a tank and a sometimes damage sometimes supp. But man I consistently get bad damage players. Main issue I see at my level is my team has 0 awareness of who they should focus. Damage just shooting tanks and not a support that goes blazing through the middle of the fight for no reason and then we end up getting no kills. How does one rank up as a support when I don’t have any dps on my team?
10:52 &12:01 Overwatch in a nutshell
7:16 can we talk about it? You can clearly hear that echo was using flight some seconds ago. There is a momentarily useless battle Mercy. But the moment the wounded Echo falls to the ground, makes me question. First of all: What the heck did Echo do? There was a low hanging fruit she could have grabbed easily. Second question: Why would you shoot with your secondary fire from LW into Rams armor, if you got a Mercy as target that is flying in a straight line towards you? This is probably the single biggest mistake I could see. You are figuretively throwing cotton balls to beat down a dark souls boss, while you can actually kill a high value target.
Best way to get out is to hard carry on bapt lol
So sad for that Lifeweaver player, he played well, well too much to stay in silver but you can't carry a game as support ; I hoped and pray he gonna have better teammates to win and climb games.
You absolutely can carry on support
You can carry as SUPPORT, much harder to carry as healer. Unfortunately even with his buffs, LW lacks a lot of play making potential. Especially in this lobby, which felt like he was constantly trying to postpone the inevitable because boy did his teammates feed
You can easily carry games as support. Problem is Lifeweaver is built to be a healer primarily and thus cannot carry at all.
You can definitely carry as LW in terms of sustain but that assumes your teammates are doing what they are suppose to be doing. It does seem he was playing optimally here and really can't be blamed for the most part.@@karamei
@@azseal2669literally can play Ana or Bap and weave dmg in between heals. you can easily carry on support
99% of players hardstuck in low elo have this crazy high sens
There are a abundance amount of players who don't understand that as a tank or healer needs to switch to attack mode verses tank or healer depending on situation. If you have all the heals but enemy has way more kills not damage but kills. good time to rethink strategies
But don't go full dps heal or tank as needed
You need to do Damage Damage Damage, as a support being a healbot will get you 0 value, what's better in this trade? Healing over and over in hopes your Tank or Dps get a pick, or heal and get a pick so you insure the 1v1 is actually a 2v1.
i know i’m a minority but i love the lifeweaver content
I know it doesn't matter but the way they move their screen up when healing is so annoying. Like, it doesn't throw the heal into your team faster!?!!?!?
Also, CHARGE THE DAMN HEALZ MORE.
All this person needs to enter gold+ is the Ana-Shaped entry ticket.
I was legitimately thinking about sending in a video myself because I am having the worst time in Comp.
But then this person sends in this and I wonder if we’re the same person.
I’ve been trying to climb Comp as Lifeweaver this season and I personally think I’ve been doing pretty well. Like this person, most healing most games, not overly aggressive, just doing the absolute best I can.
I just don’t know what is wrong. I think my positioning could be better, but I still think I should win most games that I lose.
I was placed Gold 5 this season I think, then dropped to Silver 1, then Silver 2, and just last night, Silver 4. I just don’t know what to do 😭😭
I feel the same and am in a very similar situation. I played Weaver during my placements but I couldn't carry my bronze teammates enough so I got placed in silver 5. I think you need to play a more impactful support that can dps like Illari, Ana, or Moira to climb, then swap back to Weaver once you get to high gold/low plat. Healbotting bad teammates just isn't enough in most low rank games.
Having a lot of heals on weaver isn't a flex it's just all he's good at
I've watched two of these VODs and there's a conclusion I've come to. Playing Lifeweaver or Mercy isn't useful at all until you hit high ranks. You can't outheal stupid and your teammates will be out of position too often for you to life grip or rez them. You might as well pick a hero that can kill the enemy before they kill your team.
Hey guys, what if lifewaver pull baby dva while she call for tokki would she lost her tokki ?
my guess is that the mech would appear wherever baby Dva ends up. the life grip would just delay the remech, not cancel it entirely.
my basis for this guess is that there's a dva tech you can do where you jump off high ground but initiate the remech right before you do. you'll land on the ground but be teleported up to the high ground in mech because that's where you initiated the remech. so I imagine the life grip would just move the remech with the baby dva. but I'm not an expert and I don't know for sure.
My thing is this in lower lobbies. You constantly feel like you’re the only one healing. There isn’t no tank healer and rest healer. There is just everyone doing their own thing and no one knows what they’re supposed to be doing. DPS is good if you know DPS positions and can aim. Supports are only good if your DPS are working well with the tank to push thru. All the heals in the world can’t fix stupid.
If youre poping off and you cant rank up its your team problem
Personally I think he played pretty well, get em on elo hell see if it’s dogwater team holding him back🤷♀️😂
Honestly i generally hate laving a lw but this one wasn't bad. They made lots of good choices. I think its just an issue w the character
I DECIDED TO START ALL MY COMMENTS ON A HIGH NOTE, kinda like you always do in your videos, so, cool video 👍
No hate to this guy, but i am basically the same skill level so ehy am i bronze 5,😭😭
If you're a low rank support player, just play Moira or Bap, you need to do damage in order to rank up because youre reliant on your team to do their job. And lets face it, your teammates are Silver, theyre not going to do their job well, so play a supp that heal and do damage, such as Bap and Moira.
My guy, you're a wonderful support, Life Weaver. It's sad that you get punished for somebody else's stupidity. I mean Life Weaver and my healing is off-the-charts. 1 match i done 10 elimination 18 assistance 5 death and over 21k heals and still lost. This was one and many other matches where I perform outstanding with supports or tank but still on a losing streak. I think that blizzard needs to change the whole competitive system, so that you are not punished for high-performance. At times I hate it when a match is won and teammate doesn't tribute to fight but only feed that doesn't deserve that win. Folks in high tears will never know the struggle that some of us are trying to leave these lower ranks unless I start a whole new profile but then that would be considered smurfing. Been playing ow 2017 overall I really hate this f****** game now
This is my kind of video
Weaver is severely underrated dude.
In what sense? Throwing games?
@@TheShapingSicknesspeople legit just don't play him correctly.
Lmao I did 6.4k damage on lifeweaver with 13k healing
this guy gets it
Lifeweaver is designed to be a secondary healer whose strong point is that he's able to heal highly-mobile heroes with 200-ish health effectively. He's not a Tank healer.
So on first point of defend for example, the play should have been that you try to keep the dps up while Bap focus on Orisa. You kinda focused on Orisa too much here, but that might have been because your Bap sucked. Losing this point was not your fault.
On the second point, your Bap decided to go with Mercy. Mercy is also not a Tank healer, so now you team is lacking. Again, not your fault, however I would have swapped at this point. If you want to climb, you can't expect other people to do the right thing, but you should be the one to take control of the situation. You lost second point very fast.
Notice that at final point, things got a little easier for your team because Mercy swapped to Ana. But that was already too late.
If we lost Defend quickly, on Attack I would play something like Zen/Kiriko/Illari to try to carry. I think the reason a lot of people can't climb, is also because they don't know when and what to swap due to situation.
I think they played fine overall but a lot of times, they are trying to do meaningless damage causing them to quickly fall behind heals. Lifeweaver's damage isn't great unless you are shooting someone with a large hitbox or a diver is on you but you should really be trying to escape and keep your team up. Embrace the heal botting on this hero but still, this was a tough game.
I can’t believe people enjoy playing this hero.
I just came here to say
“ cause he didn’t switch off life weaver”
Y'all wanna know what actually went wrong? And Im gonna say this not in the sense I'm overriding emongg.....
Use your dann thorns..... Every single one of these comments are people who assume they know what lifeweaver does and how he's supposed to be played...... The amount of times I lose games to a healbot lifeweaver vs mystyle of lifeweaver from cardboard 6 (I've never been lower then plat) but to my current rank mid masters on my way to gm..... The amount of times I'll lose to a healbot lifeweaver are 1 in 2million 9thousand 800 and 63.
When I went on my alt account all I heard was bodies dropping......
I've had to argue with so many dang people "Hay give me lifeweaver I don't trust you to dps correctly" those same people are still trying to figure out why I rolled them after avoiding them and why I have a 70% win rate and there sitting at 48% at best........
look I'm not gonna override a GM player like emongg.... But like go watch Muma or sauseboss or Bogur or I can tell you how to do it there is a way you have to do it but at least you won't be throwing........
It's so freaking hard explaining to people why they should be doing damage as this hero because it's a lot more complicated and there's a multi layer reason why, and there are people who "Have" climbed this way (If bad plays against bad whos ever slightly less bad usually wins or they have better play making and shot calling etc).
1. Lifeweaver does damage one dosen't the one who does wins more games, and it's hard to explain to people why this "Low" "mediocre" "inconsistent" damage is causing good lifeweaver players to win again.... And again..... And again..... And again..... And again.... And again.... And are you noticing a freaking pattern?
You can become a "Playmaker" lifeweaver but a playmaker is just a healbot lifeweaver (all versions are) who hasn't discovered lifeweaver has a gun.
I hate it because the "Kit" fights with reality" and the reality is if you came into one of my games playing like that..... Well *Points* you see what I did to those diamond players over there?
Imma tell you actually lifeweaver advice actualll good game winning lifeweaver advice heck especially for silver, learn when and how to use those damn thorns..... Your healbottings not even as good as the crap I and I've seen people do but that's a different story as well
People thinking they can healbot their way out of metal ranks will never not be amusing 😂 There's 10,000 other healbot clones just like you doing just as good a job as you. What makes you think your contribution is the one that tips the scale? When will people learn, after countless repeats. You contributing with pressure and offensive utility, means you have to heal less, PLUS you get to also aid your team's active win condition and not just try to survive whatever the enemy does with copes and dreams.
This is something I wish Emongg would press a little harder on, that you don't get to consistently win by simply healing your team and thinking that's enough. No amount of healing will outscale critical damage, and critical damage is what wins most fights, especially in lower ranks. You need to contribute with more than just healing. Healing makes you lose slower, but it doesn't make you win, unless the team you're keeping alive is more capable than the enemy. And you're in silver, how likely you think that's going to be?
the answer is in the title
Nah life weaver is very playable now and actually very good with some supports like Ana, bap and illari
I hate when ppl talk out of their ass life weaver is decent rn and is better than he was when they released him
@@jackief03 exactly hes a main support so he can't just slot in with every support pairing but if you pair him with an already good flex support like the ana bap and illari he enables them now instead of hindering them like he did on launch
@@jackief03listen to the words you’re saying. You’re talking about LW with the words “decent” and “better than he was”. That does not mean he’s great or viable. If I’m talking about bap, mercy or ana Im saying they are strong characters and great picks for most team comps. I’m not going to choose a “decent” character if I’m trying to rank up I’m going to choose great ones
@@uhohhhhstinky3428 one you just named mercy along side bap and ana as if shes just as strong as they are. 2 ranking up is mainly just about improving your fundamentals not picking the best characters and comps until around high diamond and above. 3 life weaver is more than decent now he bas a lot of carry potential with his raw healing output and ult which is actually really good right now.
Best part of play support in low elos is that you can't heal stupid. The soldier only knows the W key and the tank wants to fight the ramattra in ult every time. Got love it 😭😭
The Wifeleaver did amazing, but this really proves that braindead teammates truly hold us back
HEALER!!?
How is that LW in the same rank as that Soldier? This is why MM in OW2 is a mess.
Yea I agree lol the Match making is so messy now.
quick answer: because you are pressing heal buttons and expecting to be carried
you wanna rank up? do something YOURSELF
People play this hero soo soo wrong it's maddening.
as lifeweaver or healer in general i prioratise keeping tank alive first, support second and dps third, but whenever I play LW I play fairly back so that I can see my entire team in front of me and save/heal everyone in certain situations like whenever enemy ults I usually grab someone and petal another. i usually have a lot of healing and low deaths, the lowest much lower than anyone else but recently I been trying to deal more dmg so I do fairly well. this is mostly in qp since I mainly play that
edit, today I learned you can delete tree, ill be sure to use that
Your priority is slightly wrong. You should generally focus on keeping your other support alive first because they can help you keeping your tank and dps alive
@@lehocool7449yes this
I would focus on your second support first because they can keep your tank up while you're healing them.
Definitely always prioritize support first. And honestly I would put dps and tank tied. It’s situational for sure but who can survive for longer? your orisa whos at 100 hp but might have just gotten one of her cooldowns back or a cassidy that’s 100 hp? Definitely shoot a quick little burst to Cassidy’s way to keep him alive a little longer then prioritize the tank till she’s at a survivable amount of HP
@@uhohhhhstinky3428 true, but ya dps gets the health b4 a 60% hp tank does but if a tank or dps are both low im for sure pulling tank
you cant rank up with lifeweaver because like mercy, he has no damage output, you cant really make offensive plays with ass teammates (plat and below) and youre a ult charge vampire to the other support
lmao this life is so passive and hesitates so hard to pull out dps when everyone is full use ur whole kit!!!
This dude playing on a track pad?
Life Weaver, more like Headless Chicken Herder with that team...
You don't need to tell us you're watching... we know. :-D
Im around low plat (havent ranked in a bit) and this is how i play lw in quickplay as a lw main so id say theyre around there. I love playing lw i know it seems boring to some people but i am a former mercy main and lucio heal bot so this is my dream hero lmao. Hes all i play now but im too scared to play ranked with him.
This guy is easily plat imo