Ageism in the USA: The paradox of prejudice against the elderly | Ashton Applewhite | Big Think
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Prejudice is typically perpetrated against 'the other', i.e. a group outside our own.
But ageism is prejudice against ourselves - at least, the people we will (hopefully!) become.
Different generations needs to cooperate now more than ever to solve global problems.
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ASHTON APPLEWHITE:
Ashton Applewhite is a Brooklyn-based activist and writer. Her latest book, This Chair Rocks: A Manifesto Against Ageism, debunks many myths about late life.
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ASHTON APPLEWHITE: All prejudice is rooted in seeing a group as other than ourselves. Ageism is unique and uniquely weird in that other is us, our own future older selves. It's rooted in this crazy idea that somehow if we eat enough kale, or don't think about it, we're not going to become old, when, of course, actually, no one wants to die young, and we all aspire to getting old.
And if we can become an old person in training, which is simply to form, like just a little leap of the imagination and acknowledge, someday I'm going to get old. That older you can be as far off on the horizon as you need it to be. But if you acknowledge that you, of course, are someday going to get old, and PS, it might not even all be so terrible, then you never get stuck on that hamster wheel of age denial. You are more likely to look at and listen to the older people around you, and make friends of all ages, which is so important, for people everywhere on the age spectrum.
America is a deeply consumer driven society and deeply influenced by popular culture. And neither of those are friends to aging. If you look at pop culture, if you look at advertising, if you look at billboards, younger people are doing and selling all the fun stuff. Older people never seem to do anything, but a few rich ones with great hair get to go on cruises. And everyone else just stays home and takes drugs, and not the fun drugs either. If a group is missing from the popular conversation, then we don't notice its concerns and we're not awake to it.
Over 50% of workers over 50 leave their jobs involuntarily. They are either fired or forced out. There is this massive growing body of workers. And we're talking 50 and up, we're talking people with 20 or 30 more years in which to support themselves. Most of them no longer have traditional pensions to support themselves. So they're thrown on their own ways they have to draw on Social Security earlier, which means that they get less out of the bucket. And if any younger people are thinking, well, too bad, you had a really good run of it, two things to think about. Social Security can very easily be fixed with very small changes, like, hello, taxing businesses at a higher rate, unlike Medicare, which really is a huge snake pit and very complicated to fix. But I hope there will be ton of Social Security left for my children and grandchildren. And I think it's very easy to make that happen.
But also, if older people can't support themselves, who is going to support us? You know you can't take us out and shoot us, even if you want to. And the world is full of grandparents who help their kids with tuition, with childcare. More resources have always flowed from older people to younger people, which seems entirely appropriate to me. So we really, really need to be careful about old versus young framing in economic arenas or anywhere else.
Another place you hear old versus young logic applied is the workforce. If only those old people would retire or get the heck out of dodge so we could have their jobs. When jobs are really few, if the only job in town is a barista at Starbucks, and a bunch of people are competing for them, that's true in the narrowest sense. You might have a 19-year-old and a 59-year-old who both really need that job. But in general, older and younger workers do not compete for the same jobs. And more tellingly, the amount and nature of labor is not fixed. Economists call this the fallacy of the lump of labor. And it has been debunked countless times. Otherwise, when women flooded into the workforce, all these guys would have been put out of work. And that's not the way it works. Or the time-honored example for Marxism, about Polish work factory workers and Irish factory workers competing, instead of organizing and striking to have their employer pay them all a decent wage...
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Elderly is not just you guys would stop making it only about that it is stupid
*It's so funny how we people have this feeling of immortality.*
We hide elderly and death from ourselves, thinking we can avoid it and live eternally.
Everything has a beginning and an end. Treat others like you want to be treated yourself.
Or cognitive decline makes the majority of the elderly a nightmare to deal with.
Plenty of research scientists are studying ways to actually reverse aging. Aging is only "inevitable" because we currently lack the technology to deal with it.
@@ZennExile (Before you read, you do make a good statement. It has to be one of the only old philosophys that's old and good) let's make a hypothetical solution: what if someone hates themselves? That would contradict with the whole saying.
@lady grey are you diagnosed?
I think in general a feeling of immortality is not wrong, because it *can* give you a sense of meaning . But many confuse it with a feeling of superiority, and that's when it becomes toxic.
Government tells people to change their career, get new skills, etc. but they don't think about age discrimination. When I got my 2nd degree in accounting I was 40+. Problem is that Business 101 does not teach us about the age discrimination still exist.
Here is my advice to everyone younger than me, I’m 73. Plan for retirement so that you are not poor and old. You must have a pension, health insurance, social security and good health.
I agree you have to plan for it. Save and old age is really a time when you don’t want to be poor.
There's no such thing as a pension anymore. Most of the kids I've worked with in their 30's don't know that word.
😂😂😂
what a burden 😂😂😂
Its a cultural thing. Eastern respect of elderly has nothing to do with one's perception of the elderly but rather is taught at a young age.
Eastern respect of the elderly takes place in Eastern cultures that aren't racially diverse nor feminist.
@@davidolsen8291 wrong. It's a cultural thing. Not a racial thing.
@@Psyfertospsb Eastern cultures aren't flooded with Mexicans or any other kinds of Latinos, nor with American Blacks.
@@davidolsen8291 american blacks were brought against their will to the US as slaves. They have contributed to your GDP in significant ways. On top of that, they represent a significant part of America's dominance in sports and culture.
@@Psyfertospsb Why are you bringing this up?
Baby Boomers (once upon a time) "Don't trust anyone over 30." Baby Boomers (today) "Ageism is prejudice." Pick any decade, they'll always be the Me Generation.
They are me generation the same way GenZ are me generation. In general all those people who are agist when they are younger will be so when older, just coins flipped. The insufferable part is if you are caught between two such generations, hating you from both sides for things others did to them.
@@aronhighgrove4100idk man. The generations before the boomers, especially the greatest generation, were built different. They were the real ones.
There was more selflessness and surprisingly more acceptance and humility from these folks. This is not to say there aren’t good boomers though.
It would be nice if the US adopted some positive aspects of other cultures like the respect the Japanese have for their elderly or the fairer sense of social equity/equality the Swedes have.
I mean, America was a meeting place for immigrants of all places, but now it's a juxtaposition of races banishing eachother from the face of the Earth. We all saw what Trump did with Mexicans. You never know who's next.
@@doctorstrangelovee of course go off the subject and blame Trump. One day you too will gain enough wisdom to not be so shallow minded and ignorant.
@@Dollygirl66 i was using trump as an example, hes not the base of all racism that happens and i know that
Hello 👋 hello
You were not educated about America properly. No American kids are. America is stolen land from Indigenous people, built on stolen labor from kidnapped and enslaved Africans. It was always based on hatred and genocide since day 1. @@doctorstrangelovee
Lol - folks, EVERYONE ages and it comes at you faster than you can imagine - even if you can't imagine it yet. Consider, too, young people, that recent stats show even those 35-40 have a distinct disadvantage in contemporary hiring practices. So, if you're now 30, guess what? By this society's absurd standards you'll soon be considered "older." Ridiculous, but true. She's absolutely right: ageism leads nowhere, and adding age as yet another means to further polarize Americans is insane. Learn this while you're young: Life's not a zero-sum game.
Okay, boomer.
@@doctorstrangelovee All of us are gonna become a boomer one day and then die.
I first experienced ageism at around 35 years old. I was told by an older supervisor where I worked at, at the time, that I was too old to do a particular job in the company. Now I see ageism, predominately in the younger generations, who think that older people are incapable of having sex, sexual desires, or even just making friends with younger people. Younger people have the idea that being friends with people older than them, is "creepy".
When I was a senior in high school, I had to do community service to graduate; once every Monday. The place that I volunteered at was a nursing an rehabilitation center near my home. For the three months I spent volunteering there, it helped me gained perspective of the difficulties that an elderly person has to live with. Many of them were treated as no more than children, which I found to be quite demeaning and insulting in a softer way. It helped me gain perspective of what hardships a person has to deal with, especially with cognitive and physical ailments. When I see other progressives insult older people for having dementia, making them sound as if they’re second class citizens only worthy of being treated like garbage, it makes me ashamed to be a progressive as well. If you feel that it’s still okay to insult older people with cognitive and physical issues, volunteering at a retirement center might help you gain a healthy dose of perspective.
They reaped what they sew. Those old white people that you have sympathy for are literally the same people who used to yell racial epithets at minorities, beat their kids, and drank while pregnant. No sympathy. No respect.
I am 43, and some of my best friends are in their late 60's or mid 70's!
How kinky.
Its the same with me. I m 42, and one of my friends is in late 60ties and another is in early 30ties. And I just dont understand whats the problem with old ppl - in my culture we usualy give respect to older ppl, and thats normal. Grandmas and grandpas are respected for all the help their can be for their children with their grandchildren. And they usualy adore their grandchildren :) And also they are living archives of older days - before internet, before tv, before II WW. When I was a kid I knew ppl who lived trou I WW, imagine this :)
Well, you're both genXers, not a lot of you around, makes sense you're friends with bordering generations.
Hi hi
I am 83 years old and so saddened & angry hearing the media response has legitimized growing old to the point in my lifetime growing up in a southern state as discrimination!
Narrative Weaving Inc. Let's just face it: Boomers ate the whole pie. Gen X is fucked.
I've been experiencing agism since the early 2000s, after I recovered from a work injury, and couldn't find a job because the young people in charge didn't want to hire old folks (55 at the time) no matter how qualified or experienced. So I had to resort to the gig or freelance economy just to get me to social security. Now they want to take away social security.
Young middle management don't want to deal with people older than they are.
The sick thing is that people call 55 old. It's not old, it's the definition of middle aged.
*Elderly people carry so many experiences.*
If you have the patience, you can learn so much.
Actually all they carry is implicit bias and sour smells.
That patience doesn't come from sharing a commonality in the form of you, some day, going to be old and them already being old. That's not the starting point you want. You don't want the elderly person to tell you about things to know when you're old, you want them to tell you about things to know when you're still young. The wisdom you want is something you don't know, and the root of that is respect for the elderly, not an acknowledgement that you, some day, will be old as well. That puts you on the same level, and you don't want that, because you aren't on the same level. You want to acknowledge that you're young and have a lot to learn and out of respect for the experiences of those who came before you, you can learn.
This video is like most progressive ideas, noble goals with counter-intuitive means.
@@baxter987 why do you pretend that "surviving" is a virtue? It used to be an accomplishment to survive. Not since WW2, but it "used" to be.
72% of all people are pureBred fukpotatos no matter what age group they fall in. It just so happens that anyone of retirement age or older, right now, were exposed to lead for the majority of their lives on a daily basis. So their fukpotato to normal human ratio is artificially higher.
We should be ignoring the elderly lead poisoned generation and hoping those in power die sooner than later. To be perfectly honest. The vast majority of them are cognitively impaired and socially dysfunctional due to life long lead exposure. The real truth is never pretty.
@@ZennExile You're not incorrect. It's not a virtue, absolutely. But being old comes with a lot of experience. Respecting the elderly around you for their age allows you to hear them out. When, they then, speak jibberish and nothing of interest, you'll know. But speaking to them and respecting their word starts with an actual respect for their age, not an acknowledgement that you, too, some day, will be old and should listen to them to know what it will be like. That's a very autistic approach
Yes, patience is key on both sides.
People are mean to seniors and it's got alot worse now ..
Isn't this a modern phenomenon, and culturally biased at that? My impression is that the extended family took care of their own elderly until the 50s or so. Then wives had to start working and the family became stress In the white culture the extended famiy all but disappeared But you still see it among Hispanics and Asians
Wives didn't really have to start working. They were forcibly persuaded to enter the workforce by a foreign-created political philosophy (second wave feminism).
@@davidolsen8291 Oh great. A conspiracy. Sure. This is great. We don't have to do any heavy lifting, like looking up purchasing power, corrected for inflation, compared to cost living, minimum wage, poverty levels
@@brendarua01 You can research who created second wave feminism, and who promoted it most strongly. It wasn't White women, but a group of foreign women.
@@davidolsen8291 Oh i am generally aware of second wave feminism. My question your point about it being promoted by foreign women So wht? Also that is a misleading claim This was a worldwide movement. So... Duh...
@@brendarua01 A "worldwide movement" whose writers and promoters were mostly part of a specific ethnic group isn't really a worldwide movement.
You cannot call yourself an advocate for the elderly if you oppose research into rejuvenation and indefinite healthy lifespans.
I think what justifies this prejudice (to a degree) is the overwhelming right-ward shift in the politics of older people. They wield their political power to stymie the changes needed to ensure opportunity and growing living standards for their kids/grandkids (not to mention the environment). If you ask anyone if they want a better future for their kids they'll of course say yes. But then they turn around and vote for politicians that lower taxes on the top 1% thus running huge deficits, they oppose social programs like medicare for all or even a homeless shelter in their community, they don't have any plan to stem student loan debt, etc. etc. Then they write articles blaming Millenials for struggling to succeed in the wasteland they've left behind after burning the ladders they used to reach relative stability.
Old Economy Steve is the best meme that explains everything you wrote.
Older people have always voted far more often than younger ones do. If younger people want to have greater influence on political decisions that directly impact their lives, they need to get out there and VOTE!
im no expert but i feel if we all go back to the older system of family that has as many generations living in the same household as possible supporting each other it would be slightly better than what the current culture says is ok (like the nuclear family setup which isnt the best)
I think you're mistaking the symptoms of a problem with the problem itself. If workers had more pay and more financial stability, they'd be able to start their own families and have people support them. It's not really about what format of the family is better, it's that workers don't get paid enough.
@@potatoheadhaoy People will finally learn 'who' is really responsible for the low pay and the plethora of other problems. Then, there will be a horrific fight, then we'll heal.
That's normal in ny country and there is a worst economical stability
When you push the narrative that millenials are(insert insult here) of course it will get flipped. Grow a pair and take what you dish out. And they say millenials are sensitive.
Or taught to be sensitive
God damn, I seriously hate my generation. Good thing Gen Z are shaping up better than we did.
way to ego it up there, shitbird.
@@violet-trash Not really. GenZ is super ageist and complaining about everyone older than them and thinking they are superior.
Young people experience ageism to and are being hit more in these times then older people
No, everyone got discriminated against when younger. But ageism has increased sharply. Nobody called people older in their 30s or 40s before. It was used for people in their 70s...
Actually if you are younger now you are more likely to have had parents who believed you could do anything and you were so amazing just for being young. If you grew up earlier, that was not the case.
And now you get hated on from both sides, the younger ones who want to take your place, the older ones who dont want to give you one...
@@aronhighgrove4100yes ageism has increased sharply in certain places and yes I think calling 30 or 40 year olds older is the stupidest thing ever but ageism is a very common discrimination but not just for old people ageism is very bad for both young and old people and I hate how this video excludes the fact that ageism doesn’t just happen to old people
@@aronhighgrove4100and isn’t younger people taking your place a good thing younger people are suppose to lead this country older people are suppose to rest and retire
This is a REALLY important topic and gens like Millenials shouldn't make their Boomer parents mistakes by ignoring aging as a FACT OF LIFE. This has been a Cohe concern of mine since i was a kid because we don't SEE old people and then it's like they're just "gone" from the bigger societal picture. They stop showing up in media except age-specific types. It's weird how fictionalized stories of the past, present, and future DOESN'T include them as characters... I've noticed this "fading to invisible" by elderly people my whole life. "Why aren't there any old women and men in ____?". And nobody has answers, that's the even weirder part.
We have most of our presidential contenders are in ther late 70s and most of the urlers of the US are over 60, but if you are not in the ruling class and you are old you are a stepping stone, an impediment, and basically refuge to be discarded. This is one of the reasons people are so ruthless in their careerism and ambitions, if you are not on top by the time you are 50 you are headed for disaster
Right, but also important is what you conceive of as being 'on top.' Personally, i always prefer it if Natalie Dormer is on top... now, if i could only get her to stop by more often ;)
The day Biden announces his presidential candidacy is the same day Big Think releases a video explaining ageism.
I have the impression that she’s a Bernie Bro. She referenced Marx at the end.
You can't fix stupid arrogant youth. My experience is that if you lie, cheat or steal, or all, you get to keep your job. This speaks volumes about the lack of integrity in corporate america today. It is a snake pit of low-lifes that apparently requires a college degree to obtain. I'm an unemployed senior but I won't compromise my ethics to keep a job...
You know what happened after women entered the workforce in masse? It created a need for 2 income families when previously a single worker with a high school education could support a family of 4 on entry level work. So, sure, maybe keeping old people in the market won't take your job, but it WILL lower the pay of that job.
the mindset that can look at another person suffering and just say "that seems like their problem" is pretty much why we're all fucked.
I respect those who have lived a life deserving of respect. Far too many old people did not live a life deserving of respect and refuse to recognize or admit to their mistakes. Till old people get the hell out of the way of the necessary fixes to the problems they created there should be prejudice against them.
Bravo 👏!
That's funny, as a woman I've faced a lot of prejudice and worse from men. Been talked over, mansplained, even sexually harassed a few times. I still never thought prejudice against men as a group should exist. Prejudice against an entire group is hateful.
What a selfrighteous and hateful comment to make. You should respect people in general, being judgemental and hateful is just a race to the bottom. If you truly believe that people getting out of the way will solve everything because younger will make it better, you suffer from a strong delusional superiority complex.
I live in an area where most of the nice communities are 55 and up. From what I see is people my age around 20 to 40 are paying Twice as much to live in old 80s style apartments while these elderly communities get to pay way less and have the luxury brand new apartments, oh and dont get me started on health care......
Don't worry, you'll enjoy the 'privileged' of old age someday too. 👌
@@violet-trash , my point was that young people are getting paid less, do to inflation, and the global market place.
and still expected to pay more for housing. at this rate when im old and gray ill be asking to move into my grandkids basement, instead of buying a new car
William Fields I know the feeling. The boomers gave us stagnant wages, globalized labor & runaway inflation. Even in my job (I do reasonably well), I have the feeling that I’m going to work until I die.
Imagine ageism being the next social justice topic
problem is the elderly aren't so fixed on the idea of helping the planet they destroyed
they sure do like to pass the buck and blame everyone else though.
Oh, don't worry, you'll get your turn at destroying the planet!
oh ffs. The planet is fine. The people are the problem. Maybe quit bitching and figure out a solution?
@@Bulletstop75 something tells me youre a climate change denier
@@trillmixin6999 there are no such people. No one denies climate change. May as well say "you're a unicorn"
I happen to disagree with the title. If anything, I think we shit on the youth in this country most of all. Most especially millennials.
I don't hate old people or nothing, but, let's call a spade a spade here.
That's just a matter of perception and you have voiced the one preached by the Leftist Narrative. The Millennials that are having problems are seriously spoiled. It's easy to compare the spoiled ones to the ones who have been raised appropriately, the difference is obvious. The non-spoiled Millennials are a joy, we're lucky to have them.
That's because you haven't experienced GenZ hating on you. They consider you already older or old and want to compete with you. Just look at social media comments.
@@aronhighgrove4100
And how do you talk about them? In social media, I hear nothing but non-stop criticisms about them. Calling them weak, weak-willed, ultra-sensitive babies, etc.
And, as a Millennial, I've had to deal with Boomers, Xers and the so-called "greatest generation" running their mouth on me. I've barely heard anything from Zoomers
Great discussion in perspective. It's refreshing to see something about this out there.
Not really I hate you Norma
ok boomer
Do you ever get that weird thing where your researching something and realises the thing you clicked on was posted today
Yes
There is no reality, all of this is just a product of your mind. Including me.
Its hard to see the other side of the fence.
Do most elderly people really feel the consequences of their generations actions?
Do most elderly people understand how the younger generations think or feel about their generations decisions?
If we really want to get past this so called "ageism" then the elderly need to make the first step into understanding why millennial and gen z want nothing to do with them and their social security benefit scam.
Crazyhart It’s a total of 3 generations that have the same agreed sentiment towards boomers.
GenX, Millenials, and Gen Z, have both an understanding with each other, and specific well thought out points about what and why we feel the way we do towards them.
What boomers don’t seem to get is that there is a consensus between ALL of the generations below them on this topic.
GenX will not get the same treatment/resentment as the boomers do now when they become our elders.
Boomers! This is specific to YOU.
@@shanewillbur1325 well said !!
Do people understand that not everyone older than them is older nor a boomer? Do you realize that you hate on a lot of people older than you who suffered the same as you do. Do you realize that you try to push out people in their 30s or 40s before they could even find theirs? Are you aware of how toxic and selfish many younger people are denying people older than them (not older, older than them) the freedom they want to have? Old people could be predjudiced, but currently it feels the youngest are the MOST predjudiced and the most hateful.
@@shanewillbur1325 Have you ever seen how GenZ calls everyone a boomer than is not in their generation. If you think they are on your side, then your are mistaken. It's clearly a competitive toxic mindset spread to divide people and create a superiority complex. They wont be with you when it benefits them. Gen Z is extremely selfish.
@@aronhighgrove4100 lol pretty much every generation after boomers, besides gen x, all agree on the hate for the boomers
dont get all sophistic with me, no one younger than 40 is stopping 20-40 year olds from any freedom. its the entire economy and society that the boomers encouraged, propagated and now suck from the tit from that holds back the future generations all while calling us entitled, lazy, and ungrateful
sorry you lived in the best time in america and ruined it for now 3+ generations al the while extracting all the wealth and security you had for only yourselves
but thats fine though, you keep putting your head in the sand and saying its the Zoomers and millennials that should be nicer to the generation that cant use a computer
elderly folk expect a ridiculous amount of sympathy without trying to understand exactly how they fucked us over.
That’s part of the problem, because the mindset that you believe that you age and get old. You need to get rid of that old-fashioned belief and change your mindset change your belief system.
Once you realize that you can stop the aging process and not only that, but you can mentally and physically reverse it to .
Besides, I had to cut something out of my budget so that I can continue my comfortable lifestyle and it was aging and getting old.
Do you know what I did, I cut out getting old out of my budget so that I can continue to enjoy my lifestyle and indefinitely.
I even been mentally and physically aging in reverse, and it really does work when you have the mindset to shut it down.
She just said something amazing" everyone stays at home and takes drugs" It is true. Opiates and anti depressants are really popular with all ages today.
Last I knew, drugs like insulin and Crestor are NOT opiates or anti depressants.
Yupp, probably because of the bullshit old people give us.
This is a very accurate video. Older people are definitely pushed out of and not even considered for most jobs. Some of that is valid, as an older person you generally are not as up to the demands of a hard physical job. Also as an older person many of us are not as fast mentally as we used to be and can lose some memory ability. Having admitted older people have some downsides, it is my experience that most of the job bias is just pure predjudice. You only need to read the comments on this video to see how bad it is and how acceptable it is to demonize anyone who is in the 50 and older class. It is truly amazing to me how little the next generation understands the past and how much they seem to blame and hate their parents age group for things that are occuring now. Take today's young and put them where we were 35 years ago and very little would change but in those younger minds it's all about how selfish and stupid we boomers were and how we left nothing for them. It will be truly interesting if as they age they grow out of this distorted view of their parents history. I suspect that they will as we the now aged boomers did with our parents.
So we should help out all of the aging baby boomers that got us into this situation? Nah lol.
Grant Boss I feel ya.
The boomer motto was practically “I got mine, fuck you”. Now that they’re elderly, they’re suddenly the victims? Of who, the boomer generation? Screw ‘em. Like I love to tell that selfish, sociopathic, hypocritical generation; die quickly, and don’t touch Social Security on the way out. If they wanna make everything better, they can remove themselves from the equation. It’s going to take us DECADES to fix the damage they’ve done.
I am a baby boomer and I am still putting 1 son and 3 grandsons through college. In my circle the boomers are doing fine.
Idea: oh noes, why is no one hiring these experienced nice old people.
Reality: I'm not going to do it your way you whippersnapper, I have been doing this for 30 years and it's the best way!
2:42 LOLOLOL 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
And young people like to and enjoy tormenting people 60 and up.
Because you're all fucking evil. You chastise us for being "lazy" and "snowflakes", but constantly ignoring your own flaws. Litterally all of this started as some dumb joke ("ok boomer"), yet you call us the snowflakes. Don't you notice that all of the people who'd disagree with me? You all came from an era of peace and prosperity, where the economy was rising, pregnancy skyrocketed (hence the name 'Boomer'), job rates were at an all time high, and student loans weren't so expensive. But then war came, Vietnam, 9/11, and much more tragic events. All of these transpired and old people had total control while us "young people" were forced to obey because we're treated like we can't take care of ourselves. Want to know why? Haven't you notice that most, if not all, politicians are old? For young people, our only chance for happiness is either "bad" or "immoral", "illegal", or to kill ourselves. Our future only comes if boomers end, and we finally can think for ourselves.
Not all of us lol 💀
Unfortunate for the speaker and the sympathizers, this is a phenomenon only in the West. Probably a bigger issues specifically the USA. I will never understand why ppl over there resist soo much being an old person. I mean what's the point in living without accepting facts. I may be young today but I'm pretty accepting of the fact that I will be old, as long as I do not die before I do. Yes we should sympathize with their issues but you can't sympathize and be understanding yet get told that you are being offensive. This is somewhat true with gender issues as well.
The facts are, old ppl are weaker and lack motor skills in general
Old do not look the same as when they are young. Which is a superficial thing especially at that age.
The old really do need to prioritize the young. It's an evolutionary instinct for a reason.
As a registered nurse i get the opportunity to work with a lot of older people, however when I’m in the ER, we unfortunately get in contact with a lot of quite aggressive and combative elders, especially patients with dementia and Alzheimer’s. I’m only 22 and I’m hoping that my mind doesn’t suffer like the patients I have been in contact with. Which could lead to the reason why people don’t want to get older, if you’re someone who is active and has a healthy family history, get older just sucks when you approach to the point where your own body can’t even support you
I saw the last part of your comment, now it all makes sense. You have a decline mindset, and so that's will happen. Actually you can't have progress if all you focus on are the youngest people.
The issue with being youth obsessed is that they also deny people the youth they have by artifically forcing them out of their youth "logically". Trying to prove and insist they aren't young and excluding them. The "accepting" to get older is also often internalized ageism. Medical advice actually tells you to do MORE activity as you age, because muscle mass matters in older age. So it's not a "fact" people get more weak with age, but to a large degree a self-fulfilling prophecy. The degree to which it actually comes into play is a lot less than society makes it out to be.
The clash is more pronounced because the 2 largest groups are millenials and baby boomers. Btw, I've seen hundreds of Starbucks baristas and virtually all of them are in their early to mid 20s, and watching them run around non-stop for hours (for not very much pay) I doubt most baby boomers could physically do that.
Firstly, older people have already done that.
Secondly, some of us could never do that because we're disabled. Good to know you think being able to run around quickly makes you less valuable.
@@Lucy-in9zy I didn't say it makes you less valuable, I don't think they're paid enough for the work they do.
I always end up being very suspicious when I see any of the -ism words, but this video was surprisingly good.
Doesn't help celebrities have all kinds of procedures to look young!
Some procedures are now highly refined, very sophisticated... and they work. You're right... they're pushed via the MSM constantly and we often compare ourselves to people that are no longer even close to reality in their appearance. Right now, Jane Fonda looks about 35 years younger than she is, so fine, but people should realize how and why.
Wtf is wrong with USA? I can't imagine living in a place where the elderly are discriminated against. Respect the elderly. Its basic.
Jacques Nel its not what you think.
What boomers are not understanding is that all of the 3 generations below them are in agreement about the reasons we have resentment towards them.
GenX will not be treated in the same manner when they become our elders. Millenials and GenZ understand GenX isn’t the problem.
This is specific towards one generation in particular, and for many good reasons.
This hatred is exclusively directed with laser-sharp focus towards Boomers alone.
@@shanewillbur1325 Thats still messed up. An entire generation might make mistakes but its still messed up to have resentment towards them years later. No one makes mistakes on purpose, they just do what they can to get by?
Jacques Nel I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation here. I would look here to understand how this all happened.
A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America www.amazon.com/dp/031639579X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_QYSWCbY459HB0
Jacques Nel People are to be judged by their character, and character is measured by the sum of ones actions.
The resentment comes from an educated opinion on actions taken from that generation.
@@shanewillbur1325 but the context has changed. Less than 100 years ago it was fine to treat Africans like crap because they are a different skin colour and that was fine for everyone. That was just life. Same with homosexuality. Now society has evolved and we see it as wrong to scrutinise. The way of life changes constantly. Whats normal and fine today, like making a fire to have a BBQ, might be something terrible tomorrow(if there is extreme climate change perhaps and its taboo to make fires). Its not fair for the next generation to discriminate based on the older generations choices. They can say it was bad, but its done and learn from the mistakes.
i wanna die at 70, if im living to 90 like my grandmother im blowing my brians out
respect your elders meant something when survival was difficult, it meant they know something, now someone else keeps you alive and you know nothing.
Don't have to listen to anyone cause of age, Age does not equate to growth, or wisdom, your welcome,
Laugh in the old peoples face if there upset over bs
This video is not accurate lol.
literally old people are so fucking non empathic and shit all over younger generations that have a way more competitive system to work within than they did! they’re privileged and had it better than we ever will. fuck them.
Amen sister
Correct . The grey ghetto imperative . We flow but slow .
1:25 LOL 😂🤣
Well said.
There are aspects of Asian cultures that I dont like, but atleast they respect their elders and even advocate for them to go out more and participate in social activities, like in China. But in America they're isolated away from family and always a favorite topic for mean spirited bashing.
Welcome to the paradox of all biggotry. Once conciousness develops, nature allows said species to enjoy the fruits of being able to hate "oneself" or even the species as a whole. It is necessary though because you'll also realize that conciousness opens up the realm of physical altercation on grounds other than survival (evident when humans get drunk and fight for no reason, or when Group A's God says People who Worship Group B's god need to die) it is an issue that is much like Pandora's box. Since its inception, biggotry is also the best weapon against itself until we evolve to have better means to an end to this issue.
Listen carefully to this lady - she's a textbook example of how dysfunctional identity politics makes your discourse
2:45 Yeah, don't tempt me
4:16 why do you feel the need to attack someone who says this? this shows how serious the impact of the echo chamber we live is. we cannot stand hearing someone stating a slightly different opinion than ours. life is a strugle as it is, we don't need to make it harder for each other.
@@ishallremaincalm I don't have the "need to attack" anyone - yet emotional demagoguery mixed in with actual facts and ethical concerns to further a group-specific agenda should raise alarms all over for people who are used to even casual critical thinking - and the obvious fact it doesn't is in itself fuel for concern
@@thstroyur you can easily express your concern without using such a degrading language. besides, I don't think what you know and learn is what all life is about. I don't think putting every feeling behind as a fallibility does not help. Would you feel more confortable if there was a "professional" in the video like a psychologist or economist to talk about the situation? Why don't we listen to her experinence as an elder person herself? If we keep thinking only facts are valuable for our attention how are we going to understand each other, any group of people? As she talks about in the begining of the video, the reason we have so much prejudice about different groups of people and I think it's because we are trying to analyse everything including people and we treat them as entities rather then human beings.
@@ishallremaincalm 1st sentence - spoken like a true snowflake, congratz. As for the remainder random gibberish - sure, whatever; here, I'll put it on the fridge so everyone can see how great it is :)
@@thstroyur just stop one second and remember I'm a person in flesh just like you are. Imagine saying these things to my face, looking into my eyes. It is so much easy to do it this way. I hope you'll have eye contact with someone as soon as possible. have a great day regardless :)
another day another ism
Not everyone wants to get old....
Thank you, so much! What an INSIGHTFUL talk! I am 66 years old, and sometimes I feel like my two granddaughters discount the advice of an "old-timer. " I pray that my grandson(who's five) might someday listen to me, when he gets older. I love them, and I only want to impart whatever I have learned in my life. I am, by nature, an OPTIMIST, and I see it as a very hopeful sign that so many young people are rallying around the cause of CLIMATE CHANGE. GOD bless all of you who love our planet, and all of its living beings !
don lumpkin
Skip them an impart to the neighbors kid, the grocery store worker, the youngersters at the Mall, gas station, restaurant, bank, church, gym, community center, etc... go to those who will listen.
Thank you ezpic2! I will indeed try to help anyone seeking my advice. I don't consider myself to be wise, and I am DEFINITELY NOT A GURU! I TWEETED Greta Thunberg, today, and thanked her for her CONCERN and ACTION , regarding CLIMATE CHANGE. I told her to HOLD ON TO HOPE, and I asked her to please watch a song that I wrote and uploaded to UTUBE, entitled "Now is the Time," which is about facing CLIMATE CHANGE with HOPE, not FEAR. I am not a good guitarist, nor a great singer, but, it was something I wanted to do( in a small way) to SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.
Thanks to all of you KIND and POSITIVE PEOPLE , who have responded to my post. God bless you, my sisters and brothers!
UBI with a VAT and a logarithmic tax scale.
#yang2020 MATH
VAT puts the tax pressure on the consumers ie the poor and the middle class.
@@IizUname true, but there could be an exception for staples like food; and a logarithmic income tax can be adjusted with a cut-off at the poverty line. Older people probably don't consume much anyway. No loopholes to wiggle out paying youre taxes but more money back in your your own hands, no strings attached , with a the UBI.
Thanks much for really great insight in so short a video, valuable.
Old people are pretty wealthy in general.
This woman is a disaster.............aging is a nightmare : it will be reversed in the coming years.
Please don't call it ageism. An -ism is a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement. When applying -ism to a phenomena, you induce good and evil into the equation, and young people not caring about old people is neither. The outcome of said phenomena might be good or evil, but the reason for it isn't, and if we want to "fix" it, we need to understand why it happens? And no, culture is not an explanation of that, even though it manifests itself through culture.
It's not just about young people "not caring". People generally treat perceived age groups poorly and that treatment negatively effects them. In the case of this video it's specifically talking about the elderly. Except the same can be said about children too. as older people typically mistreat, abuse and disparage the youngest generations. In other words it is and should be an -ism. You can't say it isn't when liability laws are passed that force the elderly to forfeit everything to the state and go to nursing homes... or when children are being murdered in schools or locked in cages at the border. Ageism should induce good and evil... there's a lot of evil done because of this particular prejudice.
STFU
There is agism toward young adults too tho. It’s about people
On both ends of the age spectrum, and each end hating each other and refusing to acknowledge each other’s individual struggles.
Of course it is an agenda and evil. People actively deny people older than them the rights they claim for them and them alone. They are competitive, think they are superior, and deny those that feel young (and are) to be this way. It is not just being careless, it's being actively harmful. Also it is clearly a cultural reason, as even in the west ageism varies depending on country. Ageism in the west is also correlated with a low life expectancy.
The better fix for Social Security is to remove the cap on income deductions, rather than sticking it to businesses.
Start meditation , find the power inside, reorganise to fight for your human rights, create an own political party, tart entrepeneuurship, follow Christ Jesus and other enlightment masters. GOD IS A GOD OF MIRACLES. and science idn.making great strides in human health
I am present. Bl k consumers understand. Our purchase power.
Great. I like what you tell me as a story, but I have no platform or a job. You did nothing but put the tail on the bullshit.
Why is it so difficult to fix Medicare? Can't you just expand the age range? Even just lowering the age by one or two years every year, until everyone is covered.
Basically, feminism convinced liberal White women to have fewer children, such that there aren't enough young workers to fund expanded Medicare.
Thus, Liberal women voted for mass immigration of 85-IQ foreigners into the United States in order to provide for more workers to fund Medicare. However, 85-IQ foreigners aren't smart enough in a modern technologically advanced culture to earn enough money to fund Medicare.
I worked for 44+ years until I, unfortunately, became a victim of medical malpractice. Because I was not informed of all the damage my body sustained (while I was on a ventilator with hospital-acquired septic shock) until the statute of limitations to sue had expired, I am forced to live in affordable housing that is barely maintained. Even if I had known in time to get justice, finding a lawyer to take a medical malpractice case when you are older, a female, and single is next to impossible as we are viewed as dispensable by society in general. There is little to no advocacy and no 'movement' for the sick and/or elderly. And, due to our worsening health, much based on neglect (or worse) by medicine and this country in general, it gets harder each day to advocate for ourselves. I bought into the lie that retirement would be peaceful and relaxing, filled with family, fun and travel. This is not true for most, and definitely not if you are chronically ill. Because I am divorced, I am also pretty much alone. I live in senior housing that is barely maintained. NO ONE cares about the people who live here, including the people who live here. I am in dire need of dental work, but because I have Medicare, I do not have dental insurance. I do not want a Medicare Advantage (lol...don't you just love the names picked for these programs that are essentially big businesses) plan because I do not need to have my health care managed. I do, however, need access to honest, decent medical and dental care. I suffer daily through no fault of my own. I do not feel safe or protected in this country where I paid taxes for more than 44 years. I am basically just waiting to die. It has been my experience there is no reward for doing good or doing the 'right thing'. Hopefully, God is real and the reward of existing in a loving, peaceful way will come in the afterlife. I know it is not going to happen for me in this one.
PS. As proof that the elderly do not have access to justice, I point you to what Gov Cuomo did (and got away with) in NYS nursing homes. Many residents died from COVID, reportedly due to his orders. I am personally aware that, in the mid-Hudson Valley there sat a fully equipped (for COVID patients) gymnasium that had been retrofitted to take in 100 COVID patients and had the capacity to add an additional 100 beds (for a total of 200.) Approx one to two miles from this gymnasium, there sat a completely empty (of patients, not beds and equipment) hospital that was scheduled for renovations that had not yet begun. In addition, a military hospital ship sat in the harbor of NYC and it was reportedly never used so it left NYC. So, WHY did so many elderly get sent to nursing homes (without being tested to see if they were still COVID positive) to recover? Its spread was like wildfire. IMO, these residents were murdered, yet cuomo remains governor of NYS. This, to me, shows exactly the level of care and compassion this country has for its elderly. Where is the outrage? Am I alone in thinking this is a disgrace?
Is that like raceism?
Are you serious?! 🤔
There is a certain amount of prejudice to both. So there are similarities.
It absolutely is! It's group think and "my group is better than yours", then cherry picking why yours is superior to the other.
Ever think that maybe it's not the elderly themselves we hate but the fact they have overstayed their welcome in modern society? Having majority input on the national economy is not exactly a good idea from someone who can barely remember who they are.
i dont think this is a new problem tbh
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Classic old person telling us old people are still hip😂
ASPIRING TO BE OLD?????? no thx
So you want to die young then? Ageism confuses the shit of me because it's essentially shaming someone for continuing to live. Do... do you want them to do the opposite?
Very angry
This may sound hard but if you lose your job maybe you've become incompetent or picked the wrong employer. Also get another job that may pay you less. Contributing to a 401k instead of counting on social security is a responsible thing to do. Selling things and living within your means. Youths won't get social security even though we pay for it and you want to tax more to make it more luxurious? I'm making sacrifices while I'm young so that I'm not a burden on others. Maybe they should have to. We all pay for are short sightedness and the elderly seem to push there burden on young people. 14 trillion in debt unsustainable social programs set up like a pyramid scheme. So yeah we got beef
The point of this and any other poor me identity is the "Hello very easy tax businesses more." Part.
This started when social security became a policy. All of a sudden, old folks living on ss checks became a joke. Before that, older folks participated in society.