Appreciate the love for my localization efforts on the English patch. Sidenote: There is very much a story in both GG & GGII. But it is not told from the perspective of you, the player, being some God-like entity or hero. Rather, it fully embraces the idea that you are nothing more than a cog in the machine and are helpless to do much in the way of turning the tide of war.
You are welcome. I'm assuming your part of the team that did the patch? Honestly, I would have mentioned people individually if I could have found information out there besides 'Gungriffon II Localization team'. I mean, a lot of credit goes to anyone willing to work on a Saturn game these days. You are right, I went into a little more detail about it in my first video? I meant there is not a conventional storyline. There is a setting, and it all takes place during an event. There just isn't anything else. It's a world, and it has a little bit of lore - just no active storyline at all.
@KeiNova I'm the guy actually doing the work in a sense. The one translating and changing the script out line by line. Making it work and putting the patch together. KnightOfDragon has aided me by figuring out where the script is stored and manipulating font size, scroll speed, etc. He's the programmer if you will. His patcher utility is the program I utilize to make said patch available to the community. Laquerware has been an aide in "localizing" some of the more obtuse translations and helping with research into the audio part of the translation. That's the whole crew at the moment. The plan is to fully translate everything on screen, including in game messages and subtitles during the cutscenes. Also re-dubbing all the audio/radio chatter you hear in the briefings and during missions.
Is there any place where you announce updates at all? My channel is focused entirely on games like this, and I'd love to continue to provide updates on the patch - as well as actually credit all of you for the work you've done. I know quite a few people who still play the game and really appreciate just the work on menus, because it made the game so much more playable. @@TheSouthernSegaGentleman
I have a few comments: 1) The ATM in the first game also homed in to enemies, but you had to keep them in your reticule until they hit. 2) How hard it is to program games for a system has very little to do with how hard it is to make a translation patch. 3) These games do have a story. There are walls of text telling it. It's just too dry without any named characters or emotional hooks. 4) Gungriffon 1 and 2 have very basic controls. Besides moving, jumping and shooting, the only other action is activating night-vision mode. The Saturn controller is simply inadequate for an FPS with fast movement and free aiming (as opposed to Doom clones where you don't need to aim in the vertical axis). 5) If these arcadey score-attack games can be considered simulators, then I have no idea what mecha fans understand by a simulator. In the world of driving games, Gran Turismo and Forza are considered simcade at best, and here you have these impossible machines overcoming massive inertial moments as if by magic, jumping and hovering in mid-air, and that's considered a simulation? The least I'd expect in a tank-like sim is a ballistics model and location based damage. Even World of Tanks calculates shell penetration considering angle of impact and armor thickness. Gungriffon has a health bar. It is more grounded than something like Zone of the Enders, but so is Call of Duty compared to many other shooters and that doesn't make it a mil-sim.
Thanks for the comments, I always like hearing what people think about what I say, and I've been thinking about this for an hour or so. 1) The ATM would not function for me no matter how much I tested it in the original. It wouldn't lock in or even make any indication that it would lock on. I just re-tested it, and nothing. There are a lot of complaints about it not being manual compliant, and praise for it being accurate in the sequel. 2) That may be true, but Saturn code is difficult to even understand or obtain. There are massive communities still trying to extract the code for Panzer Dragoon Zwei - because despite it all being on disc, everything has been lost. Breaking into the code and changing text to a language on Saturn is a monumental task that does deserve some respect - especially considering the context sensitive nature of Japanese. 3) Gungriffon does not have a story and there is no wall of text. There is a short couple of sentences which describe the world-state, and why HIGH-MACS were needed. There is world-building, and a final mission - but there is no 'story'. It's merely a paragraph history of what is going on. Every game has done this, and there aren't even conclusions with these games. This is a trend with all four games, and it isn't something like MechWarrior 2 where you're presented with novelistic tie-ins to briefings and debriefings. Briefings are simple describing suggesting battle tactics, where enemies enter from, and how they should be dealt with. 4)The controls are basic because of the controller, but they are in a simulation style. HIGH-MACS need to control through acceleration, deceleration, and using the limited tools at hand. Is it a basic simulation, yes! But it is more of a simulation then something like Armored Core. Saying this isn't enough would be like saying MechWarrior 2 on Saturn and PS1 isn't a MechWarrior game. 5) Simulation is something that tries to mimic the control system of a theoretical Mech. It really is just that. They don't focus on accessibility mostly, but providing an experience that makes it feel like you are controlling a vehicle. Games like MechWarrior 2 on PC were more akin to this and provided a lot better of a control system through the use of the keyboard. It's really cool, and I suggest playing it if you can get it running. Gungriffon Mechs aren't actually defying anything. They are cumbersome, difficult, and prone to getting stuck on everything. Basically, they are walking weapons platforms. I just have played these games a lot and know what I'm doing. Blaze though, it is a little further from a simulation then any of the other games. When I mentioned 'Arcade' I meant that the game bases a lot of its playability on obtaining scores and providing personal challenges. That is usually the only definition of an 'arcade' element that applies specifically to 'arcade' type games. Anyhow, that's what I have to say about that. I respect how you feel about it, and I appreciate you watching my video.
@@KeiNova If you love a more grounded mecha setting yes its amazing. The mecha are less unstoppable unrealistic machines more tactical one man tanks or powered armor.
@@KeiNova Watch Armored Trooper Votoms: Pailsen Files, 12 episodes short, it's a good introduction to the story, cool cgi, mecha D-day, and the best intro of em all. 🎸
Great review, I don’t play too many mecha games, but the few that I own for my classic consoles, this is one of my favorites. The graphics might be dated, but I’ve always enjoyed the chunky graphics of the Saturn.
I love the way you get tilted off balance when the enemy hits you. ....and don't worry i couldn't get the link cable to work at all with this one! I bought the Saturn for GG1 once i saw it in the game shop.
Well, I'm planning on buying a JP Saturn for it this year, but the link cables are really rare apparently. That, and I don't have the funds for things like that (well, unless I somehow get monetized by Feb). I would have bought the Saturn in a heartbeat if I saw it in any shop here, but they don't seem to care about it. Ebay for me.
The title says "one of" the best. Personally I'd place it after Armored Core, Zone of the Enders, MechWarrior, Front Mission, and MechAssault. And probably more that I'm forgetting. Chromehounds?
On the off chance your missed this - there is actually a web series filmed in the game ARMA based on Gun Griffon. Here is the video retrospective about creating it. ua-cam.com/video/Htxhh0L9NKI/v-deo.html
Thank you! I'd actually tagged Argon in one of my videos, he's pretty cool and helped me learn how to play High-Macs Simulator with some of his videos. I haven't seen this though; I'll probably check it out.
Nope, not even close. Try Earth Siege 2. Slow, methodical combat with powerful weapons where wrong choices can end you. Also best sound effects in any mech game ever. Also best soundtrack in any mech game ever.
It's more of an 'obscure japanese title that sounds cool for the sake of being cool'. It's a good game though, from the 90s. I suggest checking it out. A lot of these games have titles like this, definitely something that could be tackled in Rick and Morty - if they wanted to parody mecha stuff.
What did you think about Gungriffon II? Is it really the best?
The low poly military units and low rez pixelated effects ooze soul. I love the Apache flying here. 2:41
The game is absolutely full of that, it really has this lasting appeal. If you can't I'd suggest playing.
Imported this, and Leynos 2. Great games, sad we never got some of the mecha games stateside
Yeah, Leynos 2 is probably the best side-scrolling mech game I've ever played. I need to go through it again, for old times sake.
This game is one of the best of the genre ever made.
I have to agree. One of my favorites.
Appreciate the love for my localization efforts on the English patch.
Sidenote: There is very much a story in both GG & GGII. But it is not told from the perspective of you, the player, being some God-like entity or hero. Rather, it fully embraces the idea that you are nothing more than a cog in the machine and are helpless to do much in the way of turning the tide of war.
You are welcome. I'm assuming your part of the team that did the patch? Honestly, I would have mentioned people individually if I could have found information out there besides 'Gungriffon II Localization team'. I mean, a lot of credit goes to anyone willing to work on a Saturn game these days.
You are right, I went into a little more detail about it in my first video? I meant there is not a conventional storyline. There is a setting, and it all takes place during an event. There just isn't anything else. It's a world, and it has a little bit of lore - just no active storyline at all.
@KeiNova I'm the guy actually doing the work in a sense. The one translating and changing the script out line by line. Making it work and putting the patch together.
KnightOfDragon has aided me by figuring out where the script is stored and manipulating font size, scroll speed, etc. He's the programmer if you will. His patcher utility is the program I utilize to make said patch available to the community.
Laquerware has been an aide in "localizing" some of the more obtuse translations and helping with research into the audio part of the translation.
That's the whole crew at the moment. The plan is to fully translate everything on screen, including in game messages and subtitles during the cutscenes. Also re-dubbing all the audio/radio chatter you hear in the briefings and during missions.
Is there any place where you announce updates at all? My channel is focused entirely on games like this, and I'd love to continue to provide updates on the patch - as well as actually credit all of you for the work you've done. I know quite a few people who still play the game and really appreciate just the work on menus, because it made the game so much more playable. @@TheSouthernSegaGentleman
@@KeiNova my reply with a link probably got sent to your held for review tab since it has a link in it.
It sadly didn't show up anywhere. I see your twitter is on your profile, I'll add you there. If you'd like to DM me the link through that, you can.
I have a few comments:
1) The ATM in the first game also homed in to enemies, but you had to keep them in your reticule until they hit.
2) How hard it is to program games for a system has very little to do with how hard it is to make a translation patch.
3) These games do have a story. There are walls of text telling it. It's just too dry without any named characters or emotional hooks.
4) Gungriffon 1 and 2 have very basic controls. Besides moving, jumping and shooting, the only other action is activating night-vision mode. The Saturn controller is simply inadequate for an FPS with fast movement and free aiming (as opposed to Doom clones where you don't need to aim in the vertical axis).
5) If these arcadey score-attack games can be considered simulators, then I have no idea what mecha fans understand by a simulator. In the world of driving games, Gran Turismo and Forza are considered simcade at best, and here you have these impossible machines overcoming massive inertial moments as if by magic, jumping and hovering in mid-air, and that's considered a simulation? The least I'd expect in a tank-like sim is a ballistics model and location based damage. Even World of Tanks calculates shell penetration considering angle of impact and armor thickness. Gungriffon has a health bar. It is more grounded than something like Zone of the Enders, but so is Call of Duty compared to many other shooters and that doesn't make it a mil-sim.
Thanks for the comments, I always like hearing what people think about what I say, and I've been thinking about this for an hour or so.
1) The ATM would not function for me no matter how much I tested it in the original. It wouldn't lock in or even make any indication that it would lock on. I just re-tested it, and nothing. There are a lot of complaints about it not being manual compliant, and praise for it being accurate in the sequel.
2) That may be true, but Saturn code is difficult to even understand or obtain. There are massive communities still trying to extract the code for Panzer Dragoon Zwei - because despite it all being on disc, everything has been lost. Breaking into the code and changing text to a language on Saturn is a monumental task that does deserve some respect - especially considering the context sensitive nature of Japanese.
3) Gungriffon does not have a story and there is no wall of text. There is a short couple of sentences which describe the world-state, and why HIGH-MACS were needed. There is world-building, and a final mission - but there is no 'story'. It's merely a paragraph history of what is going on. Every game has done this, and there aren't even conclusions with these games. This is a trend with all four games, and it isn't something like MechWarrior 2 where you're presented with novelistic tie-ins to briefings and debriefings. Briefings are simple describing suggesting battle tactics, where enemies enter from, and how they should be dealt with.
4)The controls are basic because of the controller, but they are in a simulation style. HIGH-MACS need to control through acceleration, deceleration, and using the limited tools at hand. Is it a basic simulation, yes! But it is more of a simulation then something like Armored Core. Saying this isn't enough would be like saying MechWarrior 2 on Saturn and PS1 isn't a MechWarrior game.
5) Simulation is something that tries to mimic the control system of a theoretical Mech. It really is just that. They don't focus on accessibility mostly, but providing an experience that makes it feel like you are controlling a vehicle. Games like MechWarrior 2 on PC were more akin to this and provided a lot better of a control system through the use of the keyboard. It's really cool, and I suggest playing it if you can get it running. Gungriffon Mechs aren't actually defying anything. They are cumbersome, difficult, and prone to getting stuck on everything. Basically, they are walking weapons platforms. I just have played these games a lot and know what I'm doing. Blaze though, it is a little further from a simulation then any of the other games. When I mentioned 'Arcade' I meant that the game bases a lot of its playability on obtaining scores and providing personal challenges. That is usually the only definition of an 'arcade' element that applies specifically to 'arcade' type games.
Anyhow, that's what I have to say about that. I respect how you feel about it, and I appreciate you watching my video.
Had no idea there was a sequel thanks fir this going to go play this :-)
Three sequels! Hope you have fun!
As a Armored Trooper Votoms fan I loved this game.
Believe it or not, I've never seen Votoms. Is it any good?
@@KeiNova If you love a more grounded mecha setting yes its amazing. The mecha are less unstoppable unrealistic machines more tactical one man tanks or powered armor.
@@GutsOfRivia definitely sounds like something to check out! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@KeiNova Watch Armored Trooper Votoms: Pailsen Files, 12 episodes short, it's a good introduction to the story, cool cgi, mecha D-day, and the best intro of em all. 🎸
@captainsternn7684 Iron Lullaby is a banger of an Opening.
uh go zig zag, oh wait that is blaze. I have the gungriffon 2 guide book
Yeah? What does it say about the story? I'm curious! I'll be checking out GG Blaze next week and yeah, lots of digging and zagging 😂
Don't just stand there--you're a sitting duck! Go zig-zag!
Great review, I don’t play too many mecha games, but the few that I own for my classic consoles, this is one of my favorites. The graphics might be dated, but I’ve always enjoyed the chunky graphics of the Saturn.
I think the graphics hold up, personally. I also like the chunky look; I don't know why but I'm in the same boat as you with that!
I love the way you get tilted off balance when the enemy hits you. ....and don't worry i couldn't get the link cable to work at all with this one! I bought the Saturn for GG1 once i saw it in the game shop.
Well, I'm planning on buying a JP Saturn for it this year, but the link cables are really rare apparently. That, and I don't have the funds for things like that (well, unless I somehow get monetized by Feb). I would have bought the Saturn in a heartbeat if I saw it in any shop here, but they don't seem to care about it. Ebay for me.
Wut?!? You drunk?!?!! Gungriffon the best what??.
Many feel it's one of the best. But that's just opinion.
The title says "one of" the best. Personally I'd place it after Armored Core, Zone of the Enders, MechWarrior, Front Mission, and MechAssault. And probably more that I'm forgetting. Chromehounds?
I'd definitely not place Chromehounds anywhere, because it's a dead game sadly. Really needs someone to create private servers.@@SnakebitSTI
@@KeiNova I was thinking in terms of when it was alive. Nowadays a copy of the game is useful as a coaster at best :(
I sadly never got to play it. @@SnakebitSTI
Good vid
Thank you so much!
I agree about the final mission. Its just tedious. Time consuming and not very fun. Sort of felt obligated to beat it after making it that far
It was certainly a pain, and really underwhelming!
On the off chance your missed this - there is actually a web series filmed in the game ARMA based on Gun Griffon. Here is the video retrospective about creating it. ua-cam.com/video/Htxhh0L9NKI/v-deo.html
Thank you! I'd actually tagged Argon in one of my videos, he's pretty cool and helped me learn how to play High-Macs Simulator with some of his videos. I haven't seen this though; I'll probably check it out.
Nope, not even close. Try Earth Siege 2. Slow, methodical combat with powerful weapons where wrong choices can end you. Also best sound effects in any mech game ever. Also best soundtrack in any mech game ever.
Also, you could cut parts off of enemies and use them or scrap them to build new mechs
I haven't played it, honestly. Though I'd be willing to give it a look.
Sounds amazing
@@KeiNova I'd watch that!
I think you can find it for free now too, it was made by Sierra
It's certainly one of the mecha games ever made.
Definately is.
One for sure
Some publications online call it better then MechWarrior, believe it or not. Strange. I happen to enjoy the game, personally.@@ethanreynolds4942
"Gungriffon" sounds like a random, scifi made-up Rick and Morty joke name.
Oh wow, something not created by Dan Harmon, can you imagine?
It's more of an 'obscure japanese title that sounds cool for the sake of being cool'. It's a good game though, from the 90s. I suggest checking it out. A lot of these games have titles like this, definitely something that could be tackled in Rick and Morty - if they wanted to parody mecha stuff.