You can said that when your team got you to the finals while injured. I'm waiting for team to carry kd in the finals while injured. So I guess winning chips by luck is the better way If every superstar had that kind of luck they would be champions. Every says is easy winning when joining a super team but they don't have the balls to join one because their afraid if the failure .
Durant gets everything he asks for, but it's never enough. He didn't know how lucky he was to play with the Golden State machine. Charles had it 100% correct.
He’s just a off brand Lebron. Funny how somebody else gets clowned for using the same method. Lebron started it all yet he’s defended and praised for it 🤣
How can y'all say these things about KD? The man was the most valuable player in the finals that means he drove that team to the win. The best player on the court for all of the games played in that series. Let that sink in
@@HotRocket-jc1qh Kyrie led Lebron too 😂 But I will give Lebron credit for being bold enough to wear a pink dress with his pink purse and still thinking he’s a King 😂
Kd bounces around too much. Dude needs a wife and children, because he’s looking like a lost a soul. I say this, because he lacks leadership and assertiveness. Traits that usually come with growing up and having a family of your own, and being relied on. I hate to get that deep, but it’s clear as day now that he’s about to be in his 17th season.
And we see how that played out. Absolutely idiotic strategy because you had to deal with KD killing you. How Mike D'Antoni had a better defensive strategy for the Warriors with KD is just crazy to me.
Yeah and the strategy completely failed and fell flat on its stomach as they got quickied easily in 5 and then swept up the following year. Lol Mike D'Antoni had a better strategy
@@youtubehatestruthtellers8065 A lot, kids are buying your shoes based on what they think of you. Companies are paying you to sell their product based on what they think of you. Perception can pay all of your bills.
@@trebor9686 ... he did when he was past of his prime with players also past of their primes .... the rockets were forced to regroup after getting swept by shawn kemp & payton & the sonics in '95 .... when the chuckster joined the dream & the glyde in houston,you can really tell they aren't the same players anymore ...... just like watching james harden this season,he still good,but you can tell he ain't the same player anymore ..... in other words, there's a big difference joining a team with superstars on their primes than joining a team with superstars with senior citizen IDs ..... 😂🤣😂🤣-😭😭😭😭😭😭 ......
The funniest fact was how when KD was on the Warriors he was always being quoted saying or liking tweets & instagram posts that would regularly put himself on a pedestal and say he was better than LeBron and the best player on the planet. KD was so high on himself during his GS stint that he completely just lost touch with reality about how he really compares, always inflating his own ego. It was funny that KD actually believed the delusion the media built up about him being the best player in the world & "surpassed" LeBron 😂😂😂
even Draymond said something similar after KD winning his first ring in 2017, the entire sports media proclaim Lebron is still the greatest basketball player in the world, KD then changed & during practice he would always shout for the ball aggressively wherein Draymond would be quick to reprimand him.
He's an idiot, shoulda just stayed in GS. The damage was already done since he already joined them. Might as well just stay and keep getting chips. On the other hand I'm glad he left cuz it proved once and for all that Steph didn't in fact need KD like people say.
Thank you for saying that. When Steph was out and KD had to lead the team, they were only winning by like 3-5 points. When Steph was in, they were blowing fools out by 20!
KD hasn’t shown that he can lead or win a chip while I don’t consider if a bus rider I don’t consider him a driver he had no pressure in golden state and that golden state team was too high powered, we are now seeing that he isn’t one to lead a championship team and until he does so his titles will always be in question so Chuck isn’t right but he isn’t wrong
Dominique Wilkins had half the help and was twice the leader KD is and was screwed out his best shot in 93-94 when the Hawks traded him. Players like him David Robinson (pre TD) and Ewing deserve more respect for that matter alone coz alot of players will join superteams and leap frog them all time lists just coz they got the ring.
That's why people are stupid for believing team wins make you a better individual player. Michael has 6 but that's the LEAST impressive thing about his career numbers. You really going to take Bill Russel over Wilt, Shaq, and Hakeem because he played on the best team in a tiny league where players were stuck on the same squad their whole career (unless management got rid of them)? Time to retire that ridiculous claim. The bench warmer for Russel's Celtics had more championships than MJ. Who gives a fuck?
Great points! I was trying to explain this to other fans. A superstar can only do so much with a great complimentary group of players. The Chicago Bulls had an amazing group of players. Especially from the 2nd 3-peat teams. MJ, Scottie, Rodman, three Hall-of-Famers on that roster. Let's not forget, and old Robert Parrish was on the 1997 roster. It was definitely not a bad thing having another legendary player as a backup on the roster that knows how to help teams win it all. I am among the few that rooted for underdog players and teams. I feel for legends such as Patrick Ewing, Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley and others. Management just simply miscalculated a bit on surrounding those players with one more solid teammate.
@@toddsands6000 ... This comment thread made me think about Reggie Miller as well... he had some solid teammates over the years... but he was the heavy on that team for sure... and he beat his head against the wall for a decade... always coming up short... but he played stellar/clutch/hard nose basketball.
@@anniehopkins8470 Yes! I can't believe I didn't mention Reggie Miller. That guy put Indiana on his back too many times. The one main thing I can remember about Reggie Miller was that he was loyal to the coaching and was a very unselfish player despite his perceived theatrics throughout his career. When Reggie played under Larry Bird, I felt that Larry should have frequently green lit Reggie to just be a bit more selfish at times and let it rip from the perimeter. Reggie did that against the Knicks in the 2000 Eastern Conference Finals when he simply took over and beat the Knicks by himself in that game 6 in the 4th quarter. Reggie was great in his day; he would have flourished in today's perimeter scoring game.
Contemporary players always gets some benefit points when talking about all-time greats. Let's see in 30 years where KD's legacy stands. I'm pretty sure we'll still be talking about Russell, Chamberlain, Bird, Johnson, James, Jordan, O'Neill, etc. I don't think KD will be in this conversation.
Too brutal, KD was seemed almost unstoppable several times in his career. Unfortunately, only seemed, but I can bet that nerds would remember him for quite a while, at least for his Girl Scout persona
Such an unfair comment. It’s a team sport. KD is up there you just made your list to undermine him. Guess what, I can do it too, we only need to talk about 3 players. Lebron, Mike and Kareem. Magic, Kobe, Steph, Shaq Bird etc isn’t in the conversation
@@cliptomaniac2562 My comment was just to point out that current players always get a favorable nod, not to create an exhaustive list of who the greatest players are/were because you can never win doing that as everyone has their favorite players. To be consistent, I probably shouldn't have included Lebron because he's still playing. I could use Allan Iverson as an example. Back in the 90s, he was called the best player in the league not named Jordan and consistently showed up in top players lists of all-time. Nowadays I hardly hear his name mentioned in any top 10 or even top 25 list. In 30 years, I don't think KD's name will be included in top 10 lists as you also need to include all the hot shots that may be entering into the league by then. But I still think Jordan and James will still be included.
@@melvinhhcp3615 You really think they're not gonna say it? They're media trained. When Draymond snapped and told KD "we don't need you" that was what he really felt, and that was the truth. Don't be part of stupidity please
And DONT FORGET!!!! KD WAS ONLY THE MVP ON GOLDEN STATE BECAUSE STEPH DREW THE DEFENSES WHILE HE ENJOYED OPEN SHOTS AND LANES TO THE RIM!!!!!! STEPH WAS THE MAN THAT PROVIDED THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR KD..
As a lifelong warriors fan who has had season tickets since 2009 (and many courtside post-season seats), I can assure you this is far from the truth, nor is it even close. I can also assure you that KD is the greatest and most talented warrior in GSW history, and it's not even close.
I think KD should had stayed at Brooklyn until the end of the season even without Kyrie. Nets actually had a good team around him with roleplayers that he could lead and they looked him up and were fine to play for him. Nets were 2nd before his injury in January.
Kyrie was a big reason for that. At the end of the day he just felt he had batter chance to win now in Phoenix. I mean after they traded Kyrie and before the traded kd the second scoring option behind kd was Cam thomas. Kd didn’t rly have a good chance to win brotha
@@afal381 that’s not a reason to stay. “Yeah lemme jus stay here so we might not get swept by the sixers 🤡🤓” nah dawg he wanted to play on a team he felt had enough scoring/talent to win a championship. He thought he had that with the suns which on paper should’ve won it all. All in all the suns on paper were better looking and since he only took like 2 days to think it over he said f it let’s go.
@@Pebbles803 in that case he should've just stayed in brooklyn then. but nah, when kyrie was out he wanted to be traded too, not just that, but he requested to be traded to the top teams that are on his wishlist
KD if he was as good as advertised “should” have more rings than Lebron. His whole career he has been blessed with superstar teammates, OKC he was with 2 former mvps Westbrook and Harden, Ibaka, Adams. Joined the 73-9 warriors, formed a superstar trio in Brooklyn, and joined a championship contender Suns who was in the Finals 2 years ago. He never had to carry a team like Lebron, Dame, KG, Jordan, Kobe or AI did. He had all the opportunity yet he got only 2 rings.
I actually like KD alongside Booker, but they're soft at all three other positions (and have a weak bench). Anyone that thought they could beat Denver was delusional. I don't know if they could have gotten by GSW or the Lakers.
They Should Never Have Broken Up Their OKC Team, All They Had To Do Is Have Patience, They Were On The Verge Of Success, Standing Strong Against A Dynasty Called The Warriors,,,,🏆🇯🇲🇺🇸 Mr. KeenObserVatioN 🇺🇸🇯🇲🏆
They would've been real condenders for the next 10 years. The warriors would also have 1 less chip maybe 2, and Bron would be more respected in the goat convo
After 5 years, we can now say KD needed the Warriors more than the Warriors needed KD. If KD stayed with the Warriors after that last Finals. Warriors would of won more chips. In a way, I am glad he left that Warriors' dynasty. It made the league more competitive. A lot of fans were tired of seeing a Warriors vs. Cavs' finals. They wanted different teams in the Finals. I don't think not winning a chip is all KD's fault, but it was his choice of teammates he wanted to win it with that was the issue. Kyrie is a superstar but his demeanor and off the court problems causes too much distraction for a team trying to win a title. Harden has his own issues that needs to be addressed besides basketball. I think Curry was the perfect teammate for KD, but he didn't see it at that time. Oh well, you make decisions and live with those decisions. What could of been tho for KD if he stayed with the Warriors.
Yet the Warriors ONCE AGAIN lost to LeBron and a HEALTHY team without KD. We can officially say that the Warriors NEEDED KD to beat LeBron in the finals.
@@Stej-i7m The Warriors vs Cavs was not even until KD got there. And the Warriors just lost to LeBron and a healthy team again without KD. The Warriors without KD vs Lebron with healthy teams are 0-2.
@@Stej-i7m If they didn't need KD, then how come they never beat LeBron and an injured team? And thank you for adding to my point. They can't even beat an old ass LeBron without KD.
@@Stej-i7m Oh you can definitely compare 2016 to 2023. Is Steph not younger than Lebron by 4 years? Did Steph not win a chip just last postseason? You know Klay was garbage in all 5 of the Cavs series right? So Klay was showing you who he has always been versus LeBron. Y'all said that KD's replacement was Wiggins after they won last year, what happened to him vs the Lakers?
Idk about Kyrie, him and Bron both scoring 41 against the Warriors on ridiculous efficiency was the best duo performance I've ever seen. Kyrie was a killer next to Bron on the Cavs.
@@HellonearthlABB but he won outside of miami , lebron won with cleveland a small market team to be honest that is impressive at least more impressive than what durant have done
@@valencian123 won only after bringing superstar in his team, Giannis for exemple, didn't have to make a super team to win a ring, to me his ring is more valuable then lebum 4 rings
This is why i dont want to hear any argument for KD above top 20 all time. He isnt that guy. In his career he's always had superstar talent around him and even so he's always run whenever he's faced any adversity.
-- KD is an incredible talent. He is in the discussion for Top 10-20 greatest players. HOWEVER, career wise? Curry is ahead of KD. Curry one 1 chip before KD and 1 chip after KD. Curry has 2 MVPs. So looking at the totality (not just individual gifts), Curry has an argument for Top 10 whereas KD should be on the outside looking in.
@@jxmmykriminallive then why doesn't Steph look good defensively ? he plays in the same great defensive system. And when KD averaged the most blocks+steals he was in brooklyn not in golden state so try to find a better excuse.
I said when Harden, Westbrook and Durant left Oklahoma, those three will never win a championship. I was wrong about Durant, but minus Durant, I still think Golden State would have found a way to win.
Charles Barkley had to go up against what Johnny Bach called the “Dobermans”. People tend to forget how great the Bulls were on defense led by Johnny Bach defense schemes. The Bulls made a lot of great players not be as great as they were. The saying is “Defense wins championships and boy did they have it! It was more than their offensive skill set!!!
I don't blame Durant for feeling so highly of himself. The analysts lifted him so high, he thought he was a god. Maybe now he's been brought down to earth. Critics always made excuses for him and saying how great he was that it inflated his ego. He thought he could go to Brooklyn and duplicate his past success, but all it showed was the guy is a bus rider. Westbrook did the heavy lifting for the Thunder. He just had to score. With the Warriors, defenders were scared of Curry and Klay which left him open. He should have stayed there and continued to win with them. Have to give him credit though for wanting to leave to see for himself.
He was that damn good and will be a hall of famer regardless of what ever qualifiers we put on him. He is one of the best scorers of all Time. I don’t care that he won in the warriors or not. As a thunder fan the team had hit their ceiling after losing to the warriors. The Klay game was a sign that the KD and Russ show was coming to an end
I think he could’ve won in OkC if they just surrounded them with more shooters after they got them Oladipo and Sabonis. That would’ve been the best move
@@brendanbloom3366 saying lebron or Steph are not leaders because of a series or a season is disrespectful to their career in 2018 lebron accomplished what kd couldn’t do for his whole career leadership wise, in 2022 Steph achieved in a season what kd couldnt achieve for his whole career leadership wise. In okc Russ was the leader, in gsw Steph and Drymond were the leaders in the suns cp3 is the leader kd was never a leader
@@ahamedaly7953 making shit up. They didn’t accomplish anything kd couldnt those years. 2018 the cavs went on a run in a trash conference and got swept when they faced a real contender. 2022 Steph played for a great team and got hid by an elite defense. Stop hiding players behind team success and trying to give them all the credit. That’s not how it works. In Miami wade and spoelstra were leaders. In Cleveland Ty lue was a leader. In LA rondo AD and Ham were leaders.
I remember a stat from KDs play-off games with the Warriors, these aren't the exact numbers, but it was something like: Expected points went -10 whenever Curry wasn't on the court and went +5 whenever KD wasn't on the court. That told me everything I needed to know about KD.
It’s still not his team in Phx and we all know it. It’s a duo, but he just got there, and Book’s been there since 2015 when they were a lottery team. He’s the leader and franchise player
The problem is, KD can't get it done as the lone Alpha & Book has done nothing to show he can either. He got absolutley demolished by a 23 year old Luka last season, despite having vastly more talent around him.
Durant should have went somewhere like Milwaukee and played with Giannis. Smaller Market, less attention, would have been paired up with a guy dedicated to being the best that he can be. Instead, he chased shiny objects (Brooklyn with Kyrie and Harden). This, and even LeBron, needs to be a moratorium on players being the general manager. Just because you're the best of the best on the court, doesn't mean you know what works when it comes to building an actual team.
Why do I keep seeing people say he should come back to OKC? We don't want him back. And after he shit talked our organization on his stupid burner accounts, fuck retiring his jersey or honoring him once he retires.
I realized in okc he wasn’t a leader. The years after Harden left then they lost in the conference finals to a Golden State, you could tell Westbrook wasn’t shooting because he wanted too, it’s because Durant was acting like he was scared. Westbrook seemed to realize they could have swept them if KD wasn’t so starstruck. Season ended he joined the team he couldn’t rise to the occasion against.
I think it's mostly just bad luck.He lost a season or two to the achilles injury.The Nets could never stay healthy.He goes to Phoenix and only plays 8 games with his new teamates before the playoffs started.Once again, CP3/Ayton gets injured in pivotal games.I'm giving him another full season with Phoenix before I write him off.
Bruh everyone in Oklahoma already knew this. Yes we're salty and biased but doesn't change the fact that KD won 4 scoring titles and an MVP while in okc, and even with Russ, Adams, Ibaka, Dre, and others he could never win a ring. He only made it to the finals one year. It wasn't all his fault, of course. Injuries and youth were just some of the reasons. But overall, KD simply will not lead a team to a ring as the #1 player on the roster. He doesn't have the grit in the toughest games to just get the win. He complained abut the coach and an alleged lack of help as why he failed. Even Andre Iggy later said the 2016 thunder had the warriors number, and could have beaten them in the WCF. KD (and Russ) couldn't get it together even up 3-1. He just doesn't have the mental fortitude. With that said he's of course a tremendous basketball player and one of the best pure scorers ever. It's all the other stuff that keeps him from being a leader. He knew he had to go get those rings with GSW cuz he couldn't stand the fans being right about him not being a true championship winning player.
Now maybe people will stop over hyping KD . He is what he is but he isn't a leader and never has been. He's a support player not a franchise player.🤷🏼♀️
So? He is 7footer and kevin Fcking durant but cleveland prioritized defending the 6 2 guard over 7footer fcking durant. Just like how booker scoring 40+ pts in phx with kd. Team prioritizing kd over booker. Next time watched the game b4 commenting
There's something to be said about players NOT doing all the calculations and team switching in pursuit of their personal ambitions, instead of committing to the building of a single team over time. I think there is a cost to it, and for some it may be enough to preclude them from achieving their goals. Both KD and LeBron come to mind.
KD is a system player, that's why he was able to help GS win back the title against that superteam from Cleveland. If that was Lebron, he would've been a disruption.
Could it be more than just "lack of leadership" that's holding KD back? Too lightweight? Doesn't push himself harder to take over games like LeBron, Kobe, etc would? Maybe both?
Jokic had that problem until this year. He is very laid back and lets the game come to him. It's why his shooting percentage is so high, but it also is the biggest argument against him being the best player in the league. Everyone is hung up on who scores the most points (or who's jump shot or dunk looks coolest). If your goal is to be considered one of the greatest, you need to be a little selfish and take over in the big moments.
As a OKC fan, only folks outside of that fanbase would be surprised by this. I woul have put huge money on this happening. KD showed you who he was when he left OKC and even during his time there. He ain't that dog and road Curry's coat tail to any championships. He was never THE dude that led a team himself and it shows. Tries to run to other teams then lead ghe capable ones he already had like cowards.
Y'all keeps saying KD would not have had 2 rings if he did not join GSW - I am not a KD fan - but let's be honest - the GSW would not have 4 either. And from what I remembered, they went recruiting him. People keep forgetting that for two of their championships - one before KD - the Kyrie and Kevin Love were injured. That's sports though.
Bogut went down for GSW in game 5, Draymond' suspicion, Iggy' back injury (although he gutted it out playing in game 7) Yeah GSW needed KD more than the reverse...just kidding. I wish KD the best but he left Steph for Kyrie
The whole league was trying to recruit him... KD had the choice to go anywhere. He chose to come into a championship calibre team and system that favored shooters. He would definitely not have rings without reaping the benefits of other people's hard work. With or without KD we were championship contenders..
Because play off Lebron is a scary dude.. and most superteams don't work. They fail miserably, superteams aren't a recipe for success. But it only is when it's built around Lebron.
LeBron would only have one if he didn't shop around for a winning team. Most these so called good players wouldn't have a ring without building a team. This is fact!
If he just remained at GSW he would have been so much more respected at the end. He would have had at least 1 more ring or even 2 considering that the Bucks were almost eliminated by the KD-led Nets in 2021. With 4 rings he would be on completely another level in the all-time ranking, some people would even argue for him to be top 5 player. OF course the NBA would have been much more stale and boring.
Kevin “If you can’t beat them join them” Durant Legacy The 2014 MVP, 2015 MVP, 2016 unanimous MVP joined together on a 73 win team (with a DPOY and FMVP) to stop the GOAT, that beast from the east 🙈🙉🙊
I don't see why people are surprised about how KD is going at this stage in his career. After what happened to him in OKC and Sam Presti chosing Westbrook over him as the franchise player after dragging that team to the NBA Finals, what would you do? As long as Lebron is in the league, KD will continue to be demonized. Whatever...still a first ballot hall of famer who gives his teams every thing he can bar injury.
@@ulisesmartinez251 You didn't follow what was happening. I will say it again dork, Sam Presti choose Westbrook over KD YEARS before he left the team. That's the reason Westbrook felt he could do nothing wrong in the media back then. KD was a free agent before he went to Golden State. Get over yourself using that stupid 3-1 stat.
@@wizmanballin8498 He didn’t drag the team to the finals. You’re literally just repeating Skip Bayless takes. They did not choose Westbrook over KD. Russ was the leader but as you see in KDs career. He doesn’t care about that bc he’s not a leader. He’s said numerous times he’s a basketball player. He just wants to come and hoop. He left bc OKC only had him and Westbrook. And he didn’t like playing in a iso ball system. He said this in multiple interviews & even when he was tweeting from his burner account. This shit is all documented. KD is a bus rider by his own admission. He doesn’t care about being the best or a leader. He just wants to show up and hoop like he said. So stop making excuses.
@@BryanRoach I wouldn't say stupidly.. teams find it hard to build with him. Kinda need to build around him. He disappears when he isn't the main guy on a team.
I’m from OKC and we/ the real fans tried to tell the world KD was soft, which is why we called him a 🧁 but we were called haters and ignorant🤷🏽♂️. He snaked his way out. Yea he got his lil rings, but it ultimately cost him his legacy. Now he’s never going to be in the debate as one of the greats which is what he truly wanted….. O well.
As a UT fan we also knew was up with this dude. Yeah he put up a bunch of points while here for 6 months but then the Longhorns proceeded to get bounced in the first round of the NCAA tourny that year.
The defining moment of Lebron’s career Watching a 4 time scoring MVP running Scared to a 73 win, unanimous MVP team (with a DPOY, 60 pt shooter and a FMVP) because they both Feared him. The last 3 MVPs 2014, 2015, 2016 on 1 team. Durant, Stephen A and Skip are a joke and we all know it🤫
Durant built his rep after joining a 73 win team with a unanimous MVP (the MVP after him), that was 3 pts away from being back to back champions, that beat him lol. stop listening to skip and steph A. real hoppers know what time it is.
-- KD was the best player on that GSW team. Most valuable? It was Curry. We can argue that Embiid was the best player this (regular) season. Most valuable? It seems Jokic still got it.
The second KD quit on his team (Oklahoma City) and his self-proclaimed friend & brother (Westbrook) and joined the Warriors that beat him l never looked at Durant the same. He ain't THAT DUDE!
Not hard to do when you got his skills, and everyone’s else focus defensively is on Steph. Not to mention he had Draymond and Klay by his side so he was never handed teammates he had to carry.
@@adequatequality but that's the key word there: skills As in he was still the most skilled(or talented) player on that team. Like if you don't have the skills, who cares if you're a hard worker lol
@@siniister710 and Steph could have had less rings had KD not joined the warriors. Although KD may not be the #1 go to guy of a championship team, he's not just a "bus rider" either. There's a wide gap between those two extremes and he fits closer to the former than the latter.
That's not Kev's bag baby, nor was it Scottie Pippin's, Joe Dumars', James Worthy's etc. A LOT of great players weren't primary leaders. We notice it more with Kevin because he's so good at being the Robin or 3rd role. This doesn't mean he's not great though.
Kevin Carried Curry tho lmao y’all tripping, if it wasn’t for Kevin curry wouldn’t have 4 rings. No fucking way golden state was beating a healthy cavs team without him..They would of lost 2015 as well if love and kyrie weren’t injured.
Who is he carrying now outside GSW? 😂😂😂 He should thanked curry for dat two finals mvp. He just assasin for the gsw who benefits from currys gravity and cleveland prioritizing guarding the 6' 2 guard over 7footer fcking kevin durant
You right.. Playoff Lebron is scary af. But Kevin reaped the benefits of other people's hard work when he played in GS. You're the one whose tripping if you think Kevin could win a ring without a championship calibre system that favors shooters and defensives being draw away from him by having two of the best shooters in recent history in Curry and Klay on the court at the same time.. GS won with and without KD. Without Golden State KD wouldn't of been winning dick.
Charles Barkley have 0 rings, we all have 0 rings or any haters in the comment section. Golden state have 4 championship, 2 with Kevin Durant. The disrespect in this video is insane. "Don't be afraid to be different. The people who mind don't matter, and the people who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss We don't matter to Kevin Durant.
If you’re gonna say this about kd, even though he won the finals mvp both times, then you need to make a video about Lebron doing similar things. It is a lot easier to get stats and look dominant when you have other dominant players on a team with you. Kd did it, but Lebron did as well. Keep it consistent.
@@georgeprchal3924 Doesn't matter how bad the team is if you team up with great players and then lobby for other great players to come. Lebron did this every time he moved: Heat with Bosh leaving toronto, cavs with love being traded from minnesota, lakers with AD being traded from pelicans. It's bad enough to be team hopping, but to then lobby for franchise players from other teams to come with you, that's not bus driver mentality. Oh yeah, forgot cavs trying to recruit KD and Lakers trying to recruit Kawhi, smh.
Let’s be honest Kd would be ringless just like harden and Westbrook if he never went to golden state
Good thing he did though now people can’t say he didn’t win
Charles Barkley is Just mad because he doesn't even have one ring. Now for him to talk about other players that have championship rings is just hatin.
@@martychavis4859no i think he’s just being real. It’s never personal
@@banzai_boy no Charles is a hater he is also hatin on victor Wembayama. He knows victor is going to come into the league and win at least one ring.
And if they had all just stayed together in OKC they probably would have won rings together ironically.
"I could've done it the easy way and join a super team. I didn't, and this way is better." - Giannis, 2021 NBA Finals
"I joined a super tieam but still didn't win a title" - Charles Barkley
@@homfes not the same. When Charles did that all of them was at the end of their careers and past their primes.
You can said that when your team got you to the finals while injured. I'm waiting for team to carry kd in the finals while injured. So I guess winning chips by luck is the better way If every superstar had that kind of luck they would be champions. Every says is easy winning when joining a super team but they don't have the balls to join one because their afraid if the failure .
@@homfes nt KD
Every superstar being injured also assisted in that title run
Durant gets everything he asks for, but it's never enough. He didn't know how lucky he was to play with the Golden State machine. Charles had it 100% correct.
He’s just a off brand Lebron. Funny how somebody else gets clowned for using the same method. Lebron started it all yet he’s defended and praised for it 🤣
How can y'all say these things about KD? The man was the most valuable player in the finals that means he drove that team to the win. The best player on the court for all of the games played in that series. Let that sink in
@@HotRocket-jc1qh Kyrie led Lebron too 😂 But I will give Lebron credit for being bold enough to wear a pink dress with his pink purse and still thinking he’s a King 😂
Kd bounces around too much. Dude needs a wife and children, because he’s looking like a lost a soul. I say this, because he lacks leadership and assertiveness. Traits that usually come with growing up and having a family of your own, and being relied on. I hate to get that deep, but it’s clear as day now that he’s about to be in his 17th season.
Y'all had him above Bird tho lmfao
as Ty Lue said, the gameplan was to stop Steph and never KD because Steph is the system
And we see how that played out. Absolutely idiotic strategy because you had to deal with KD killing you. How Mike D'Antoni had a better defensive strategy for the Warriors with KD is just crazy to me.
I mean it's either steph and the system killing you or just KD, and Ty Lue probably thought it waa better to let KD destroy them
Tyrone Lue never stopped ANYONE, as a coach or a player.
Yeah and the strategy completely failed and fell flat on its stomach as they got quickied easily in 5 and then swept up the following year. Lol Mike D'Antoni had a better strategy
How well did that play out????
If KD actually believes he doesn't need a ring outside of Golden state he'll be in for a rude awakening when retirement comes
Why does it pay the bills what other ppl think of you
NBA players don't care about their legacy. It's a job.
@@jjqq4116 With how much they talk about it. Yes they do
@@jjqq4116 Even kd talks about his legacy. " I'm Kevin Durant"
@@youtubehatestruthtellers8065
A lot, kids are buying your shoes based on what they think of you. Companies are paying you to sell their product based on what they think of you. Perception can pay all of your bills.
Kenny's face while Sir Charles was telling truth 😅
kenny is also a bus rider,he even bought not only a day pass,but a monthly pass .... 😂🤣😂🤣-😭😭😭😭😭😭
Didn't charles barkley did the same thing?
@@trebor9686 ... he did when he was past of his prime with players also past of their primes .... the rockets were forced to regroup after getting swept by shawn kemp & payton & the sonics in '95 .... when the chuckster joined the dream & the glyde in houston,you can really tell they aren't the same players anymore ...... just like watching james harden this season,he still good,but you can tell he ain't the same player anymore ..... in other words, there's a big difference joining a team with superstars on their primes than joining a team with superstars with senior citizen IDs ..... 😂🤣😂🤣-😭😭😭😭😭😭 ......
@@trebor9686he didn't win anything
@@johnnier.o.d4746 Houston won back to back 94 95
U know in The Simpsons intro when Marge is driving and Maggie has a toy steering wheel beside her? Yeaa, KD is Maggie, Marge is Steph. 🤷🏽♂️
Lmao I'm going to use this comparison when talking about KD
Good one😂😂
THANK YOU sIR LOL
The funniest fact was how when KD was on the Warriors he was always being quoted saying or liking tweets & instagram posts that would regularly put himself on a pedestal and say he was better than LeBron and the best player on the planet. KD was so high on himself during his GS stint that he completely just lost touch with reality about how he really compares, always inflating his own ego. It was funny that KD actually believed the delusion the media built up about him being the best player in the world & "surpassed" LeBron 😂😂😂
even Draymond said something similar after KD winning his first ring in 2017, the entire sports media proclaim Lebron is still the greatest basketball player in the world, KD then changed & during practice he would always shout for the ball aggressively wherein Draymond would be quick to reprimand him.
He was definitely the best player in the world 💯
@@D15-b8j Who?? Lebron?? KD wasn't even the best player on the warriors.
@@bobbiewiggles8631 his 2 finals mvps in his closet says otherwise 😁
@@D15-b8j We saw who won MVP this year and it wasn't the best player in the league. Your point??
Dirk stuck it out and won in Dallas. KD went "oh shit I can go win a free couple of chips in GS? Sign me up."
GS wanted Dirk too
Dirk was a machine. He doesn’t get the respect he deserves. Man was unguardable.
KD hasn't done anything since he left GS
He's an idiot, shoulda just stayed in GS. The damage was already done since he already joined them. Might as well just stay and keep getting chips. On the other hand I'm glad he left cuz it proved once and for all that Steph didn't in fact need KD like people say.
Fr tho
Last 3 years he had 2 starters out
Hey man, he lost in the second round one time
@@mattpassos5689 Twice, with superstars on his own team or joining a (former) 64-18 champ contender......
Steph Curry was the one getting doubled on that 2017/2018 Warriors, not Kevin Durant.
Thank you for saying that. When Steph was out and KD had to lead the team, they were only winning by like 3-5 points. When Steph was in, they were blowing fools out by 20!
This is lies and had been debunked. High hedges are not double teams.
@@smoothsavage2870 facts. Kids like this dude just wanna ride Currys small meat
KD hasn’t shown that he can lead or win a chip while I don’t consider if a bus rider I don’t consider him a driver he had no pressure in golden state and that golden state team was too high powered, we are now seeing that he isn’t one to lead a championship team and until he does so his titles will always be in question so Chuck isn’t right but he isn’t wrong
@@klssplash His opponents on the opposing team that he won his titles against has no pressure either. Seems fair to me.
Dominique Wilkins had half the help and was twice the leader KD is and was screwed out his best shot in 93-94 when the Hawks traded him. Players like him David Robinson (pre TD) and Ewing deserve more respect for that matter alone coz alot of players will join superteams and leap frog them all time lists just coz they got the ring.
That's why people are stupid for believing team wins make you a better individual player. Michael has 6 but that's the LEAST impressive thing about his career numbers. You really going to take Bill Russel over Wilt, Shaq, and Hakeem because he played on the best team in a tiny league where players were stuck on the same squad their whole career (unless management got rid of them)? Time to retire that ridiculous claim. The bench warmer for Russel's Celtics had more championships than MJ. Who gives a fuck?
@@SDesWriter
I would take Russell over all them.
Great points! I was trying to explain this to other fans. A superstar can only do so much with a great complimentary group of players. The Chicago Bulls had an amazing group of players. Especially from the 2nd 3-peat teams. MJ, Scottie, Rodman, three Hall-of-Famers on that roster. Let's not forget, and old Robert Parrish was on the 1997 roster. It was definitely not a bad thing having another legendary player as a backup on the roster that knows how to help teams win it all.
I am among the few that rooted for underdog players and teams. I feel for legends such as Patrick Ewing, Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley and others. Management just simply miscalculated a bit on surrounding those players with one more solid teammate.
@@toddsands6000 ... This comment thread made me think about Reggie Miller as well... he had some solid teammates over the years... but he was the heavy on that team for sure... and he beat his head against the wall for a decade... always coming up short... but he played stellar/clutch/hard nose basketball.
@@anniehopkins8470 Yes! I can't believe I didn't mention Reggie Miller. That guy put Indiana on his back too many times. The one main thing I can remember about Reggie Miller was that he was loyal to the coaching and was a very unselfish player despite his perceived theatrics throughout his career. When Reggie played under Larry Bird, I felt that Larry should have frequently green lit Reggie to just be a bit more selfish at times and let it rip from the perimeter. Reggie did that against the Knicks in the 2000 Eastern Conference Finals when he simply took over and beat the Knicks by himself in that game 6 in the 4th quarter. Reggie was great in his day; he would have flourished in today's perimeter scoring game.
Contemporary players always gets some benefit points when talking about all-time greats. Let's see in 30 years where KD's legacy stands. I'm pretty sure we'll still be talking about Russell, Chamberlain, Bird, Johnson, James, Jordan, O'Neill, etc. I don't think KD will be in this conversation.
Too brutal, KD was seemed almost unstoppable several times in his career. Unfortunately, only seemed, but I can bet that nerds would remember him for quite a while, at least for his Girl Scout persona
had me confused with O'Neill lmao
Such an unfair comment. It’s a team sport. KD is up there you just made your list to undermine him. Guess what, I can do it too, we only need to talk about 3 players. Lebron, Mike and Kareem. Magic, Kobe, Steph, Shaq Bird etc isn’t in the conversation
@Cliptomaniac lol nah man yours is just bad. His at least can be argued. Yours is just you having a hissy fit
@@cliptomaniac2562 My comment was just to point out that current players always get a favorable nod, not to create an exhaustive list of who the greatest players are/were because you can never win doing that as everyone has their favorite players. To be consistent, I probably shouldn't have included Lebron because he's still playing. I could use Allan Iverson as an example. Back in the 90s, he was called the best player in the league not named Jordan and consistently showed up in top players lists of all-time. Nowadays I hardly hear his name mentioned in any top 10 or even top 25 list. In 30 years, I don't think KD's name will be included in top 10 lists as you also need to include all the hot shots that may be entering into the league by then. But I still think Jordan and James will still be included.
People see this and see the Warriors winning after and before KD, and still say that the Warriors needed KD. Stupidity is undefeated. 😂
Both Iggy & Draymond themselves said that they needed KD.
@@melvinhhcp3615 You really think they're not gonna say it? They're media trained. When Draymond snapped and told KD "we don't need you" that was what he really felt, and that was the truth. Don't be part of stupidity please
@@crosswiz6 They said what they said, both Dray & Iggy. That is all.
Warriors needed kd for lebron. Only idiot would say otherwise. Again look this year what lebron does to steph teams
They didn't need KD to beat Boston, but they needed KD to beat Lebron.
I’ve always said he’s a 7 foot AI outside of GSW. Mvp, scoring titles, & 1 finals game win.
great analogy! spot on, other that AI was much more of a leader, at least at the 76ers
Yes I've always said the same
AI carried bums to the finals and played shaq and kobe tho, KD could never
@@siniister710
Despite his small stature too.
Pound for pound, KD can’t compare.
@@siniister710 I’m just talking about in terms of accolades. Didn’t take into consideration context because years from now very few will
Even KD admits he’s a bus rider .
You say he carried team USA and even that team had multiple all nba players on it 😂😂
@@mattpassos5689 all nba players😂
When did he admit that?
KD is just a shooter,, he does nothing else
@Av V it's than not then
And DONT FORGET!!!! KD WAS ONLY THE MVP ON GOLDEN STATE BECAUSE STEPH DREW THE DEFENSES WHILE HE ENJOYED OPEN SHOTS AND LANES TO THE RIM!!!!!! STEPH WAS THE MAN THAT PROVIDED THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR KD..
Durant is inspector gadget while Curry is Penny doing all the real work.
GRAVITY.
As a lifelong warriors fan who has had season tickets since 2009 (and many courtside post-season seats), I can assure you this is far from the truth, nor is it even close. I can also assure you that KD is the greatest and most talented warrior in GSW history, and it's not even close.
I think KD should had stayed at Brooklyn until the end of the season even without Kyrie. Nets actually had a good team around him with roleplayers that he could lead and they looked him up and were fine to play for him. Nets were 2nd before his injury in January.
Kyrie was a big reason for that. At the end of the day he just felt he had batter chance to win now in Phoenix. I mean after they traded Kyrie and before the traded kd the second scoring option behind kd was Cam thomas. Kd didn’t rly have a good chance to win brotha
Guarantee they wouldn't have been swept by the 76ers
@@afal381 that’s not a reason to stay. “Yeah lemme jus stay here so we might not get swept by the sixers 🤡🤓” nah dawg he wanted to play on a team he felt had enough scoring/talent to win a championship. He thought he had that with the suns which on paper should’ve won it all. All in all the suns on paper were better looking and since he only took like 2 days to think it over he said f it let’s go.
Yeah I don't get why he left the nets he should've stayed until the end of season they were a good team despite the chaos smh
Hmmm, no..😂😂😂 the nets are no better either..
If KD wants to be respected again, he needs to win a ring in OKC just like LeBron did in Cleveland
nah i think he should just stay in phoenix regardless of what happens. Stay some where and put in the hard work, not leave when things get tough.
We definitely do not want him back in OKC
@@Pebbles803 in that case he should've just stayed in brooklyn then. but nah, when kyrie was out he wanted to be traded too, not just that, but he requested to be traded to the top teams that are on his wishlist
Not happening. At OKC he had Harden, Westbrook and Iguadola as teammates and got to the WCF. Too bad that team had to break up.
@@spectralnighttravely’all never gon win shi though so it don’t matter
KD if he was as good as advertised “should” have more rings than Lebron. His whole career he has been blessed with superstar teammates, OKC he was with 2 former mvps Westbrook and Harden, Ibaka, Adams. Joined the 73-9 warriors, formed a superstar trio in Brooklyn, and joined a championship contender Suns who was in the Finals 2 years ago.
He never had to carry a team like Lebron, Dame, KG, Jordan, Kobe or AI did. He had all the opportunity yet he got only 2 rings.
Did many people even think that the Suns would win it all this year?
Yeah. The ones looking to use KD as a scapegoat.
Yeah especially the KD fanboys they been yapping since the moment he got traded, finally they shutting up now
I actually like KD alongside Booker, but they're soft at all three other positions (and have a weak bench). Anyone that thought they could beat Denver was delusional. I don't know if they could have gotten by GSW or the Lakers.
Nope I said their out in 6 was the Nuggets n their overrated as shit
I thought they would at least make the conference finals
Even steph went and got another one without KD
LOL
Steph won 2 Championships WITHOUT Durant.
What do you mean, even Steph? Dude's the best pure shooter I've seen
They Should Never Have Broken Up Their OKC Team, All They Had To Do Is Have Patience, They Were On The Verge Of Success, Standing Strong Against A Dynasty Called The Warriors,,,,🏆🇯🇲🇺🇸 Mr. KeenObserVatioN 🇺🇸🇯🇲🏆
They would've been real condenders for the next 10 years. The warriors would also have 1 less chip maybe 2, and Bron would be more respected in the goat convo
After 5 years, we can now say KD needed the Warriors more than the Warriors needed KD. If KD stayed with the Warriors after that last Finals. Warriors would of won more chips. In a way, I am glad he left that Warriors' dynasty. It made the league more competitive. A lot of fans were tired of seeing a Warriors vs. Cavs' finals. They wanted different teams in the Finals. I don't think not winning a chip is all KD's fault, but it was his choice of teammates he wanted to win it with that was the issue. Kyrie is a superstar but his demeanor and off the court problems causes too much distraction for a team trying to win a title. Harden has his own issues that needs to be addressed besides basketball. I think Curry was the perfect teammate for KD, but he didn't see it at that time. Oh well, you make decisions and live with those decisions. What could of been tho for KD if he stayed with the Warriors.
Do you think if curry went to KD personally and asked KD to stay or said this is our team now let’s win another championship KD would have stayed?
Yet the Warriors ONCE AGAIN lost to LeBron and a HEALTHY team without KD. We can officially say that the Warriors NEEDED KD to beat LeBron in the finals.
@@Stej-i7m The Warriors vs Cavs was not even until KD got there. And the Warriors just lost to LeBron and a healthy team again without KD. The Warriors without KD vs Lebron with healthy teams are 0-2.
@@Stej-i7m If they didn't need KD, then how come they never beat LeBron and an injured team? And thank you for adding to my point. They can't even beat an old ass LeBron without KD.
@@Stej-i7m Oh you can definitely compare 2016 to 2023. Is Steph not younger than Lebron by 4 years? Did Steph not win a chip just last postseason? You know Klay was garbage in all 5 of the Cavs series right? So Klay was showing you who he has always been versus LeBron. Y'all said that KD's replacement was Wiggins after they won last year, what happened to him vs the Lakers?
Durant, Harden, and Irving are incredible talents, but none of them have that eye-of-the-tiger quality that a championship player needs.
@violette2596 Tatum is still young, but yeah he's looking more and more to be like that.
Idk about Kyrie, him and Bron both scoring 41 against the Warriors on ridiculous efficiency was the best duo performance I've ever seen. Kyrie was a killer next to Bron on the Cavs.
Don't ever put this dude in the same conversation with Lebron and Steph.
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Lebum is the same, he joined super teams to win a ring
Braindead take
@@HellonearthlABB but he won outside of miami , lebron won with cleveland a small market team to be honest that is impressive at least more impressive than what durant have done
@@valencian123 won only after bringing superstar in his team, Giannis for exemple, didn't have to make a super team to win a ring, to me his ring is more valuable then lebum 4 rings
I don't even watch basketball, I'm just here for Barkley's takes
This is why i dont want to hear any argument for KD above top 20 all time. He isnt that guy. In his career he's always had superstar talent around him and even so he's always run whenever he's faced any adversity.
-- KD is an incredible talent. He is in the discussion for Top 10-20 greatest players.
HOWEVER, career wise? Curry is ahead of KD. Curry one 1 chip before KD and 1 chip after KD. Curry has 2 MVPs. So looking at the totality (not just individual gifts), Curry has an argument for Top 10 whereas KD should be on the outside looking in.
Wtf Since when top 20 all time was abt talent only not to mention he never was a good defender...
@@boydriceisawesome2520 wrong
He was 3rd in blocks one season and in the 2021 playoffs he averaged the most blocks+steals
@@jxmmykriminallive then why doesn't Steph look good defensively ? he plays in the same great defensive system.
And when KD averaged the most blocks+steals he was in brooklyn not in golden state so try to find a better excuse.
say it loud
The silence from former teammates sticking up for KD speaks volumes
Russ used to, until KD fled like a cockroach in sunlight. After that, Russ called him "soft" during his first game back in OKC with GSW.
I said when Harden, Westbrook and Durant left Oklahoma, those three will never win a championship. I was wrong about Durant, but minus Durant, I still think Golden State would have found a way to win.
Charles Barkley had to go up against what Johnny Bach called the “Dobermans”. People tend to forget how great the Bulls were on defense led by Johnny Bach defense schemes. The Bulls made a lot of great players not be as great as they were. The saying is “Defense wins championships and boy did they have it! It was more than their offensive skill set!!!
Charles Barkley was an awesome player, and is an awesome analyst.
I don't blame Durant for feeling so highly of himself. The analysts lifted him so high, he thought he was a god. Maybe now he's been brought down to earth. Critics always made excuses for him and saying how great he was that it inflated his ego. He thought he could go to Brooklyn and duplicate his past success, but all it showed was the guy is a bus rider. Westbrook did the heavy lifting for the Thunder. He just had to score. With the Warriors, defenders were scared of Curry and Klay which left him open. He should have stayed there and continued to win with them. Have to give him credit though for wanting to leave to see for himself.
He was that damn good and will be a hall of famer regardless of what ever qualifiers we put on him. He is one of the best scorers of all
Time. I don’t care that he won in the warriors or not. As a thunder fan the team had hit their ceiling after losing to the warriors. The Klay game was a sign that the KD and Russ show was coming to an end
Charles could never be more right about this right now
Charles needs to stick to the jokes; he’s talking about bus riding? When he’s never been in a bus.
I think he could’ve won in OkC if they just surrounded them with more shooters after they got them Oladipo and Sabonis. That would’ve been the best move
The issue in OKC was two things the Spurs and The Warriors. That’s why he never won in OKC
@@voxextremos22 not really tho cause he beat the spurs twice in the playoffs. And GS came up after that.
Kd the typa dude to ask aliens to join their team in a invasion situation
Kd is a walking bucket no disrespect to him but you are spot on, not everyone can be a life leader like lebron or Steph
Steph? The guy just got torched by role players. AD is the guy who has been the leader for the lakers.
@@brendanbloom3366 AD still a star when not injured.
@@brendanbloom3366 saying lebron or Steph are not leaders because of a series or a season is disrespectful to their career in 2018 lebron accomplished what kd couldn’t do for his whole career leadership wise, in 2022 Steph achieved in a season what kd couldnt achieve for his whole career leadership wise. In okc Russ was the leader, in gsw Steph and Drymond were the leaders in the suns cp3 is the leader kd was never a leader
@@ahamedaly7953 making shit up. They didn’t accomplish anything kd couldnt those years. 2018 the cavs went on a run in a trash conference and got swept when they faced a real contender. 2022 Steph played for a great team and got hid by an elite defense. Stop hiding players behind team success and trying to give them all the credit. That’s not how it works. In Miami wade and spoelstra were leaders. In Cleveland Ty lue was a leader. In LA rondo AD and Ham were leaders.
@@brendanbloom3366 so without lebron carrying and leading them you think they make the playoffs? Without Steph in 2022 you think they winning ?
When I think of KD I don't think of championships
Y'all had him above Larry Bird lol 💀
That's bc 90 percent of them never saw Larry the legend 😂
@@jrwilliams4333 That's Generation Z for ya!!!!!! CLUELESS!!!!
I remember a stat from KDs play-off games with the Warriors, these aren't the exact numbers, but it was something like:
Expected points went -10 whenever Curry wasn't on the court and went +5 whenever KD wasn't on the court.
That told me everything I needed to know about KD.
Kd too soft to drive the bus. He replies to tweets. Cmon now lol
How does losing to Jokic a blemish on anyone's career? Losing to one of the best basketball players to play is something to be ashamed of?
It’s still not his team in Phx and we all know it. It’s a duo, but he just got there, and Book’s been there since 2015 when they were a lottery team. He’s the leader and franchise player
Nobody but dorks care about that shit. It’s matt ishibas team or whatever his name is.
The problem is, KD can't get it done as the lone Alpha & Book has done nothing to show he can either.
He got absolutley demolished by a 23 year old Luka last season, despite having vastly more talent around him.
@@pewpewTN right but it's something to build on. Not jumping ship because they aren't championship calibre yet is the best play for KD.
KD himself said he doesn't want to drive the bus , rather a team effort to share the responsibility. He doesn't want to be MJ ,Kobe or Curry.
Well pal… the reason they didn’t make the WCF is because Denver slapped those cheeks. They didn’t choke as much as get whooped by a superior team.
🙄 I'm old enough to remember Charles Barkley being a "Bus Rider" going to Houston trryba get a ring 😂😂😂😂✌️ nbfrt
Being a bus rider is still better than being an "under the bus thrower".
EmViPitty back at it lol
OKC should have kept KD, Harden and Westbrook together. They'd have had the chance to win at least 1.
Who honestly cares? Dude has
Built a career and amassed a fortune. I’d say that’s pretty good in this life.
What’s all that matter if no one respects you lol
@@javebjorkman are you speaking on behalf of everybody?
I respect him alot as a player.
Dude is one of the best scorers of all time.
If KD is a bus rider, what was Robert Horry? Let the snake be i mean let KD be.
Well chuck u still remember when you arrive in rockets with clyde and hakeem? Chuck speak itself😂😂😂
Exactly. I don't know why nobody calls out that Charles Barkley clown
You calling KD old made me feel so old 😭😭😭
I watched him play in college, when i was in college
Durant should have went somewhere like Milwaukee and played with Giannis. Smaller Market, less attention, would have been paired up with a guy dedicated to being the best that he can be. Instead, he chased shiny objects (Brooklyn with Kyrie and Harden). This, and even LeBron, needs to be a moratorium on players being the general manager. Just because you're the best of the best on the court, doesn't mean you know what works when it comes to building an actual team.
KD is still an all star no matter what yall say, Barkley doesn't have a ring at all
Could he have rejoined OKC after GS like Lebron did Cleveland?
OKC folks hate him and his soft and sensitive ass won't allow him to just go back there.
No. He can't. Bus riders can't carry a team to the championship. They would always look for a champion team to ride on
No way in hell would OKC take this snake back.
And still be without a ring.
Why do I keep seeing people say he should come back to OKC? We don't want him back. And after he shit talked our organization on his stupid burner accounts, fuck retiring his jersey or honoring him once he retires.
Chuck would have a ring if he didn't have to play against the greatest NBA player of all time.
The narrative about KD without mentioning missing players & injuries is disingenuous. It's a slanted narrative.
Excuses, excuses, excuses! 😂😂😂
Song at 1:50 plz I heard it when I was high but forgot to save it and prolly forgot the name
4:28 , hold up .... Since when was LeBron KD's rival ?? 🤣
The only player that rivals LeBron for almost a decade now is Steph.
Steph don’t rival Lebron. Steph and kyrie are more rivals than steph and Lebron.
You know.... Barkley has a habit of being too blunt and honest sometimes. And not sugar coating shit. The thing is.... he's ALWAYS right.
Kd is a great talent. However he isn't a leader. Rallying people and motivating and influencing isn't his thing. He just wants to hoop.
I realized in okc he wasn’t a leader. The years after Harden left then they lost in the conference finals to a Golden State, you could tell Westbrook wasn’t shooting because he wanted too, it’s because Durant was acting like he was scared. Westbrook seemed to realize they could have swept them if KD wasn’t so starstruck. Season ended he joined the team he couldn’t rise to the occasion against.
I think it's mostly just bad luck.He lost a season or two to the achilles injury.The Nets could never stay healthy.He goes to Phoenix and only plays 8 games with his new teamates before the playoffs started.Once again, CP3/Ayton gets injured in pivotal games.I'm giving him another full season with Phoenix before I write him off.
They not winning any chip with that horrendous bench.
Excuses, excuses, excuses!!! Kevin Ducant is a loser! He is a perpetual BUS RIDER 🐍
Bruh everyone in Oklahoma already knew this. Yes we're salty and biased but doesn't change the fact that KD won 4 scoring titles and an MVP while in okc, and even with Russ, Adams, Ibaka, Dre, and others he could never win a ring. He only made it to the finals one year. It wasn't all his fault, of course. Injuries and youth were just some of the reasons. But overall, KD simply will not lead a team to a ring as the #1 player on the roster. He doesn't have the grit in the toughest games to just get the win. He complained abut the coach and an alleged lack of help as why he failed.
Even Andre Iggy later said the 2016 thunder had the warriors number, and could have beaten them in the WCF. KD (and Russ) couldn't get it together even up 3-1. He just doesn't have the mental fortitude. With that said he's of course a tremendous basketball player and one of the best pure scorers ever. It's all the other stuff that keeps him from being a leader. He knew he had to go get those rings with GSW cuz he couldn't stand the fans being right about him not being a true championship winning player.
Lol,Charles Barkley is also a bus driver, he went to join Hakeem and Clyde 😅
Exactly so he. Knows better then anyone
Now maybe people will stop over hyping KD . He is what he is but he isn't a leader and never has been. He's a support player not a franchise player.🤷🏼♀️
Bus rider with more FMVP's than the driver?
So? He is 7footer and kevin Fcking durant but cleveland prioritized defending the 6 2 guard over 7footer fcking durant. Just like how booker scoring 40+ pts in phx with kd. Team prioritizing kd over booker. Next time watched the game b4 commenting
KD paying for his sins for making the weakest move ever seen. I used to like KD but now I dont feel bad for him
There's something to be said about players NOT doing all the calculations and team switching in pursuit of their personal ambitions, instead of committing to the building of a single team over time. I think there is a cost to it, and for some it may be enough to preclude them from achieving their goals. Both KD and LeBron come to mind.
KD is a system player, that's why he was able to help GS win back the title against that superteam from Cleveland. If that was Lebron, he would've been a disruption.
Could it be more than just "lack of leadership" that's holding KD back? Too lightweight? Doesn't push himself harder to take over games like LeBron, Kobe, etc would? Maybe both?
Jordan Jenkins All of the above.
He certainly took over in those 2017 & 2018 Finals.
Jokic had that problem until this year. He is very laid back and lets the game come to him. It's why his shooting percentage is so high, but it also is the biggest argument against him being the best player in the league. Everyone is hung up on who scores the most points (or who's jump shot or dunk looks coolest). If your goal is to be considered one of the greatest, you need to be a little selfish and take over in the big moments.
As a OKC fan, only folks outside of that fanbase would be surprised by this. I woul have put huge money on this happening. KD showed you who he was when he left OKC and even during his time there. He ain't that dog and road Curry's coat tail to any championships. He was never THE dude that led a team himself and it shows. Tries to run to other teams then lead ghe capable ones he already had like cowards.
Y'all keeps saying KD would not have had 2 rings if he did not join GSW - I am not a KD fan - but let's be honest - the GSW would not have 4 either. And from what I remembered, they went recruiting him. People keep forgetting that for two of their championships - one before KD - the Kyrie and Kevin Love were injured. That's sports though.
GSW were champions without KD, KD won rings because he was in GSW, and GSW won after he left. So no, they definitely would have won without KD
Bogut went down for GSW in game 5, Draymond' suspicion, Iggy' back injury (although he gutted it out playing in game 7) Yeah GSW needed KD more than the reverse...just kidding. I wish KD the best but he left Steph for Kyrie
The whole league was trying to recruit him... KD had the choice to go anywhere.
He chose to come into a championship calibre team and system that favored shooters. He would definitely not have rings without reaping the benefits of other people's hard work. With or without KD we were championship contenders..
WOW.... Took y'all this long to figure it out hahahaha 😂 LMAO....
Someone please explain to me the difference between what Kevin Durant is doing vs what LeBron James is doing? There's no difference.
There are two rings and two Finals MVP's worth of differences. I'd say that counts for something.
Because play off Lebron is a scary dude.. and most superteams don't work. They fail miserably, superteams aren't a recipe for success. But it only is when it's built around Lebron.
LeBron would only have one if he didn't shop around for a winning team. Most these so called good players wouldn't have a ring without building a team. This is fact!
If he just remained at GSW he would have been so much more respected at the end. He would have had at least 1 more ring or even 2 considering that the Bucks were almost eliminated by the KD-led Nets in 2021. With 4 rings he would be on completely another level in the all-time ranking, some people would even argue for him to be top 5 player. OF course the NBA would have been much more stale and boring.
No, he'd still be remembered as a ring chaser, riding the coattails of the Splash Brothers.
@@Tyrunner0097 who is fmvp ?
@@kwokchunnam How many rings does KD have without the Splash Bros, and how many rings do they have without KD?
Kevin “If you can’t beat them join them” Durant Legacy
The 2014 MVP, 2015 MVP, 2016 unanimous MVP joined together on a 73 win team (with a DPOY and FMVP) to stop the GOAT, that beast from the east 🙈🙉🙊
I don't see why people are surprised about how KD is going at this stage in his career. After what happened to him in OKC and Sam Presti chosing Westbrook over him as the franchise player after dragging that team to the NBA Finals, what would you do? As long as Lebron is in the league, KD will continue to be demonized. Whatever...still a first ballot hall of famer who gives his teams every thing he can bar injury.
Presti didn't choose Westbrook over KD, KD joined the team he blew a 3-1 lead as a free agent
@@ulisesmartinez251 You didn't follow what was happening. I will say it again dork, Sam Presti choose Westbrook over KD YEARS before he left the team. That's the reason Westbrook felt he could do nothing wrong in the media back then. KD was a free agent before he went to Golden State. Get over yourself using that stupid 3-1 stat.
@@ulisesmartinez251Presti did choose Russ
@@wizmanballin8498 He didn’t drag the team to the finals. You’re literally just repeating Skip Bayless takes. They did not choose Westbrook over KD. Russ was the leader but as you see in KDs career. He doesn’t care about that bc he’s not a leader. He’s said numerous times he’s a basketball player. He just wants to come and hoop. He left bc OKC only had him and Westbrook. And he didn’t like playing in a iso ball system. He said this in multiple interviews & even when he was tweeting from his burner account. This shit is all documented. KD is a bus rider by his own admission. He doesn’t care about being the best or a leader. He just wants to show up and hoop like he said. So stop making excuses.
Nobody's surprised dawg. Everyone knows KD is a bus rider 😂😂😂
KD is the greatest warrior of all time.
Really believed he still would've won a chip had he stayed in OKC. They were up 3-1 against a 73 win Warriors. He gave up on the team too early.
He never showed up in the playoffs in OKC, same for Harden yet everyone stupidly blames Russ.
@@BryanRoach I wouldn't say stupidly.. teams find it hard to build with him. Kinda need to build around him. He disappears when he isn't the main guy on a team.
I’m from OKC and we/ the real fans tried to tell the world KD was soft, which is why we called him a 🧁 but we were called haters and ignorant🤷🏽♂️. He snaked his way out. Yea he got his lil rings, but it ultimately cost him his legacy. Now he’s never going to be in the debate as one of the greats which is what he truly wanted….. O well.
As a UT fan we also knew was up with this dude. Yeah he put up a bunch of points while here for 6 months but then the Longhorns proceeded to get bounced in the first round of the NCAA tourny that year.
The defining moment of Lebron’s career
Watching a 4 time scoring MVP running Scared to a 73 win, unanimous MVP team (with a DPOY, 60 pt shooter and a FMVP) because they both Feared him. The last 3 MVPs 2014, 2015, 2016 on 1 team. Durant, Stephen A and Skip are a joke and we all know it🤫
The fact the Nets didnt learn from 2012 with the garnett and pierce trade but do it again years later proves new york will always be the knicks team.
Charles really has no room to talk as he never rode or drove the bus to a title
Durant built his rep after joining a 73 win team with a unanimous MVP (the MVP after him), that was 3 pts away from being back to back champions, that beat him lol.
stop listening to skip and steph A. real hoppers know what time it is.
The most valuable was not steph when kd was there. The best player clearly was kd
-- KD was the best player on that GSW team. Most valuable? It was Curry.
We can argue that Embiid was the best player this (regular) season. Most valuable? It seems Jokic still got it.
Durant reaped the benefit of the attention Curry draws on the floor..
This bus ain’t going nowhere. It’s low on gas 😂😂😂
KD never had better skills than any other player, he just simply has a longer arm reach and is able to shoot above anyone else. That's it.
Back to back finals mvp thats a driver
That's right, a bus rider..
The second KD quit on his team (Oklahoma City) and his self-proclaimed friend & brother (Westbrook) and joined the Warriors that beat him l never looked at Durant the same. He ain't THAT DUDE!
He was the best player on the floor in those finals though
Not hard to do when you got his skills, and everyone’s else focus defensively is on Steph. Not to mention he had Draymond and Klay by his side so he was never handed teammates he had to carry.
Curry may have kept some heat off of him, but he was EASILY the most important offensive player on that squad and a better defender/rebounder.
@@adequatequality but that's the key word there: skills
As in he was still the most skilled(or talented) player on that team. Like if you don't have the skills, who cares if you're a hard worker lol
GSW bring the best out of kd. It went to his head thinking he can lead a team. Look at where he is now.
Durant, Booker & Beal… is Booker the leader of this team?
They don't have one anymore tbh
He was a key player in two playoff victories AFTER an achiles injury. That's quite a feat.
this is true, but people pointing out he'd be ringless without joining a 73 win warriors team are also telling the truth
@@siniister710 and Steph could have had less rings had KD not joined the warriors. Although KD may not be the #1 go to guy of a championship team, he's not just a "bus rider" either. There's a wide gap between those two extremes and he fits closer to the former than the latter.
there a lot of "key" players on a team but they are all bus riders too like kd
@@homfesSteph still had 2 rings where as KD would be ringless like Westbrook and Harden
@@homfes still won before and after kd...
That's not Kev's bag baby, nor was it Scottie Pippin's, Joe Dumars', James Worthy's etc. A LOT of great players weren't primary leaders. We notice it more with Kevin because he's so good at being the Robin or 3rd role. This doesn't mean he's not great though.
Kevin Carried Curry tho lmao y’all tripping, if it wasn’t for Kevin curry wouldn’t have 4 rings. No fucking way golden state was beating a healthy cavs team without him..They would of lost 2015 as well if love and kyrie weren’t injured.
Who is he carrying now outside GSW? 😂😂😂 He should thanked curry for dat two finals mvp. He just assasin for the gsw who benefits from currys gravity and cleveland prioritizing guarding the 6' 2 guard over 7footer fcking kevin durant
You right.. Playoff Lebron is scary af.
But Kevin reaped the benefits of other people's hard work when he played in GS. You're the one whose tripping if you think Kevin could win a ring without a championship calibre system that favors shooters and defensives being draw away from him by having two of the best shooters in recent history in Curry and Klay on the court at the same time.. GS won with and without KD. Without Golden State KD wouldn't of been winning dick.
Charles Barkley have 0 rings, we all have 0 rings or any haters in the comment section.
Golden state have 4 championship, 2 with Kevin Durant. The disrespect in this video is insane.
"Don't be afraid to be different. The people who mind don't matter, and the people who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
We don't matter to Kevin Durant.
KD is NOT top 15 all time, stop pushing that narrative
He is
i don't know if we can say objectively he's a top 15 player all time
If you’re gonna say this about kd, even though he won the finals mvp both times, then you need to make a video about Lebron doing similar things. It is a lot easier to get stats and look dominant when you have other dominant players on a team with you. Kd did it, but Lebron did as well. Keep it consistent.
That's right, LeBron is also a bus rider!!!
LeBron's always gone to worse teams though.
@@georgeprchal3924 Doesn't matter how bad the team is if you team up with great players and then lobby for other great players to come. Lebron did this every time he moved: Heat with Bosh leaving toronto, cavs with love being traded from minnesota, lakers with AD being traded from pelicans. It's bad enough to be team hopping, but to then lobby for franchise players from other teams to come with you, that's not bus driver mentality. Oh yeah, forgot cavs trying to recruit KD and Lakers trying to recruit Kawhi, smh.
@@bandoogiemanz yeah that's been happening since 1990-always.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you suggesting Lebron wasn't easily getting stats before Miami?