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You mean New Super Mario Brothers Megamix? Just wait till the next Mario game you get is Mario Marker Switchhitter, that just includes "Fat-shaming Mario"
Thank you for putting some respect on New Super Mario Bros DS. People forget that an art style that looks super bland on a wii u was (and still is) an amazing achievement on the DS.
Super Mario Bros Wonder was honestly what the 2D mario games needed. I had such an awesome time playing this game and hope for more creative mario games in the future
I thought 2D was dead. I told most people to just buy Mario Maker 2 over Mario U Deluxe. Wonder has breathed new life into the 2D series. I do think, however, the next 2D Mario is a LONGGGG way off. I would expect additions to Wonder and a DLC with a re-release.
@@paulhart7739 Mario maker 2 is one of the best games on switch. Definitely in the top 10 games. It is VERY underrated. And yes, you can create multilevel games.
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I had alot of fun playing New Super Mario U Deluxe with my wife and kids...But Super Mario Wonder has been such a treat. It really clicked during the singing piranha plant level
Fun fact: Both NSMBDS and NSMBWii sold around 30 million copies! Thats more than Mario 64, Sunshine, Mario galaxy 1 and 2 ever sold at a margin of almost 3 times more! (For Sunshine and Galaxy 2 its nearly 4 times more). If anyone was wondered why they pumped these out so much and why the mainline 3d mario series made a hard pivot to be more like them with "Super Mario 3d World", that's why.
Probably also explains why Nintendo changed things up with Wonder then, because U Deluxe didn't sell anywhere close to the first two entries. Not to say it hasn't sold well, but when Nintendo franchises/series have generally been putting up their best sales ever on the Switch, I'd have to imagine Nintendo expected it to sell far more than 16 million. I mean, it's a 2D Mario. That's supposed to be one of their flagship products. Mario Odyssey, the less accessible 3D open world Mario, actually ended up outperforming it by 11 million copies.
@@zachc2280 I agree with that analysis, it sold even worst on WII U at 5.82 million, though that be blamed on the Wii U poor sales itself (or both can be blamed really: NSMBU was supposed to be the system seller) Looking at U deluxe's sales I was like "Damn, did even U deluxe sales beat out 64 and Galaxy!?" and yup, albeit on the switch. That console is a real money printer for nintendo!
Because these 2 games were genuinely pretty good. I do agree though that NSMB2 (really dumb title) and NSMBU, while not bad games, didn't really need to exist and were a bit too much like their predecessors.
@@MarioMario_1981 Mario 64 also came out on DS and still sold an equivalent amount of copies (It was a launch title aswell). Accessibility is certainly the biggest factor in their success, some people (mostly younger and older gamer) flat out can't play 3d games because of the camera.
I share the same thoughts about NSMBDS. If there weren't several games after it with the exact same style, I do think it would be looked at more fondly today.
It's four games. Four. Not ten, not twenty five, four. Technically six if you include Luigi U and the switch port, but even then that's not a lot. The games are all different anyway if you actually take the time to play them and appreciate it!
@@JRS06Only 4 games, but you also had U Deluxe, Super Mario Maker 1 and 2 and Super Mario Run all keeping the series in the public consciousness. So even though it's only "4 games" all these factors kept it in the public consciousness for much longer. As well as the greater problem Scott points out, the NSMB "style" bled outwards from the games themselves to sanitize the greater franchise. Renders, enemy and character designs, etc. were all made to conform to the "New" style (this was at its worst in the Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story remakes for 3DS) whereas before in the N64/GameCube era they more freely referenced more interesting games like the spinoffs.
@@JRS06It's four games looking nigh identical with repeated world themes released in the span of six years. And there are hardly any differences between the four games, they all play identical.
I wouldn't hate a Wonder 2, but I'd rather have them use the base of Wonder for the next game and change it up where it needs it. The art direction of Wonder is way more appealing than New's 3D in 2D
At their core these are still fun games, but it must've been very frustrating to fans that this was all 2D Mario was doing for a long time. I'll always have a soft spot for this series (especially DS and Wii) and I'll even revisit them every now and then, but I couldn't be happier that this era is over. Wonder was exactly what 2D Mario needed and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the franchise.
It can’t be very fun from a developer’s perspective either. Just like oh yeah put that game out…. Whatever. Kinda like Nintendo’s call of duty in a way. But then you hear about a developer interview where the lead guy says his team had over 2,000 gameplay ideas. That’s exactly what I wanna hear!
Long time? It was literally six years! The only reason it was a long time was because we didn't get a new one from 2021 to 2023. That's not the games' fault!
@@JRS066 years is still very long with basically the same same art style, music and mostly same gameplay (with only minor differences and different level designs). It’s like how people enjoyed tekken 7 but we’re ready for 8 because the game had been on consoles for 7 years, and in Japan arcade, 10.
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!! Don’t get me wrong I did enjoy the NSMB series but not because of the games. Because my siblings who aren’t gamers will play them with me, the chaos of playing with friends, & the fact that it’s a 2D Mario. We absolutely needed Wonder & I’m so damn glad we got it!! Bought it on release but only just now getting to play since I had to play Spider-Man 2 1st, I wish I would’ve played it sooner!
I'm just glad that we've probably got a really solid 3D Mario coming in the next year or so, but Wonder is probably my second favorite Mario game ever, so the Switch era Mario games are the best of all time I think.
Presumptuous of you! Everyone assuming a 3D Mario is on the horizon is quite literally why Nintendo will pivot completely and do something utterly bizarre instead like remove all 3D Mario games from the eshop without warning and release a new 1vs100 Metroid.
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My fantasy as a child playing Super Mario World, was another dive into that map. There were so many secret red spots, everything was reachable on the main stroll, and i really wished there was more. Imagine a 3D reinventing of the dinosaur world, i would transfer my conscience into thar world
@@hhrecordzz2838 I heard miyamoto was disappointed with world because of how many things he wanted in it that couldn't be done, plus world being made so early in the SNES lifespan doesn't help at all, so it would be cool to have it done done, tho I would guess by now that many of those ideas are in various mario games
As someone who never owned a Wii U but wanted a 2d Mario game for the switch, the new super mario u port was very welcome. I grew up playing the Wii one and this one, while it’s definitely more of the same, was still a lot of fun and enough to tide me over until Mario wonder came out
I still think the DS game gets a bad rap due to its followups. In a vacuum, the DS game is phenomenal. I think they really nailed it. Starting with Wii it started to feel very sterile. I have no other way to describe than that. And I liked Wii, I had a ton of fun with that game as a kid. If anyone reading this is sick of the NSMB series but has not played the DS version, I highly recommend you give it a try.
@@jaretco6423 I remember it practically being an event. They sold a red ds lite with the mario logo, a mario hat, and nsmb in a bundle where I live. It was really damn cool. Me as an idiot child though dropped that ds onto concrete and absolutely ruined it.
Shame they go down so easily. Only one jump and an ground pound will take them out with just 2 hit. Or one hit with an Mega Mushroom. Least Bowser Jr. in Wonder takes more than 3 hits this time.
@@jaretco6423 are you really gonna bother to bring a mega mushroom to fight a boss most of the time tho? At that point you're really going out of your way to get one, unless you got one in the mushroom house and saved it
Funny enough when Scott is referring to the logo, more specifically the font- while yes i'd agree that a new font/ logo style would be nice; that's actually the SAME font from the 1985 original. So it's understandable that it's kept that way, not just for branding like ya said- but also legacy sake.
nsmbw was one of my first video games, definitely one of my first 3, and i still love it to this day, while i agree its not one of the best mario games it definitely has a special charm to me and i dont think its just because of nostalgia i think its just got a lot of little quirks that i enjoy
I will say, after SilokHawk’s video on NSMB2 made me respect that game a lot more. Level backgrounds are a lot more creative than any of the other titles, and I love the increase of baas in the music. Coin collecting is a fun mechanic as well. So happy Wonder is a thing now tho, that game is phenomenally fun
Aside from the audio and the occasion edits from game footage, I can't help but laugh that Scott just sat down and waved his hands around for 15 entire minutes.
It was oversaturated in that era is because they needed the Wii U to sell well. If a Mario game like Wonder was released in that era, it would've alienated the casuals who grew up with NSMBW/DS, because those games were their first introduction to Mario.
Having only played New Super Mario Bros, NSMB Wii, and a few worlds of NSMB U, then get 100% on Wonder. I can 100% say Wonder is genuinely the best time I've ever had playing ANY Mario game, including the 3D games
The original NSMB was pretty fun, but the one thing that holds it back for me from being a really great game is the crappy save system. You can't save it until after you've visited a Toad house, beat a boss level or something special in general. It very much should've been saving after every level you beat or just save whenever you feel like in the level select menu, like a lot of games even way before 2006 were already doing! Otherwise the game was pretty good.
The entire NSMB series unfortunately retained this design choice. I guess they did technically add quick saves in Wii but that was a crappy band-aid solution. Even NSMB2 which released after 3D Land (a game that autosaved after each level) had this problem, which meant it didn't have the ability to be played in short bursts like 3D Land did. You had to make time for these games and couldn't just fit a level or two in between a quick break. As much as I like the NSMB series (and especially the DS game), they held onto way too many archaic game design choices from the arcade era.
@Some-guy-on-the-internet dang, I thought the games after would've fixed that. That's a little bit worse than DS doing it. I mean it's not like these levels last all that long, but still. Given difficultly and trying to get everything, that can add up in time that could potentially be erased if not saved in time.
@@DannyBenS94 For sure! I still remember the dread of seeing that red battery indicator after completing several levels and having still not reached a save point yet. This series has a reputation for being creatively bankrupt in its art direction and mechanics but there's been surprisingly little quality of life improvements and I think more people should be criticizing that too.
That's never been a problem to me in NSMB, but I absolutely HATE that in Super Mario World on the SNES! It's a difficult game compared to most other Mario games and I did get stuck on some levels for quite a while because I could barely make it to the castle and then I would of course fail that. Even when I played with a friend who used to speedrun the game years ago, we didn't make it to the next save point for an entire evening (granted, both of us being drunk on that occasion probably didn't help). Was still fun though, but would've been even better if we could have played more than the same 3 or 4 levels over and over...
That's crazy because all of the mario advance games allowed you to save and quit whenever you wanted. And beating a world allowed you to save and continue
13:49 Many people were confused about the logo. This game felt really fresh. The gameplay videos and critical reviews of the NSMB games got tiring after a while so this felt great to watch.
You basard. The series deserves more respect. When DS and Wii revived a love for 2D Mario, it's a bit unfair to give something so important and underwhelming sendoff.
I'm so relieved that Nintendo didn't let the ridiculous sales of NSMBU trick them into thinking that there was nothing wrong with the New Super Mario Bros. series, and that the only problem was the Wii U. Mario Wonder feels like SUCH an upgrade.
Does Scott have a table with that carpet or does he film laying on the ground? Does he have a mic down there or does voice over matching his hand gestures?
recently started playing super mario wonder and wow. the entire game feels like an acid trip. so much completely new enemies, mechanics, and levels. on top of there being a choice if you wanna do hard levels or not, as well as the difficulty rating to warn newer players of levels that might be harder
New Super Mario Bros. was my first video game ever, it was my super mario bros. 3, or my super mario world, it was pretty much my introduction into gaming as a whole. I was around 5 years old at the time, I eventually played smb3 and smw and loved those as well, I played NSMB 2 as well and all it did was ponder to my nostalgia when playing the first game, a real junk food game as Scott put it, the one for the Wii I played as well, but I didn't like it as much because I had no one to play it with, and I felt that was the whole point of the game (since the levels were so much bigger than the DS game). Super Mario Bros. Wonder makes me feel like a kid playing through NSMB for the first time again, that "Wonder" effect it has caters to that inner child and I think Mario games are all about that. :)
i grew up with the original nintendo and mario and playing wonder brought back so many memories of being a kid. i absolutely love the game and beat it within days. i usually abandon games long before beating them so it just goes to show how much i enjoyed it
I have the NSMB U Deluxe on the Switch and really like it a lot! I missed out on all the previous SMB games since I did not have Nintendo gear. So for me NSMB U Deluxe is basically all new and the reason to buy it was that people complained that it’s all the same as previous versions. Exactly what I was looking for 😊
I grew up in the 90s so my nostalgia was for the SNES Mario games and the Game Boy ones. This also included the NES games that were remastered on SNES via Super Mario All Stars. I really don't have much nostalgia for the New Super Mario Bros games at all even though I had uploaded an entire 2 player playthrough of the Wii game back in 2009 and 2010
I think if they came out with NSMB Wii first, that game would have gotten phenomenal reviews. Since it came out after the DS game, it just became 4 player NSMB.
i thoroughly enjoyed the ''new super Mario bros. games. especially the ones on DS and 3DS. that being said, super mario bros wonder is MIND-BLOWINGLY AWESOME ! but i have to say i have and d still do enjoy all of the super Mario games from nes on up to today.
Honestly, the Wii version still feels the best. Probably because that’s the one my siblings and I played the most together and we loved finding all the secrets. Wonder had a really cool map hub but it still felt like it was missing something. Also multiplayer on the Wii felt more polished especially how it’s designed for the players to move together where others kinda have just player one have the camera follow them. The new games don’t really get that many power ups either and in the Wii there was so many different cool power ups and interactions with the yoshi’s.
as a kid i thought you needed to keep your star coins to progress in new super mario bros ds beacause someone told me that. turns out he had smb wii but beacause these games all looked so damn similar i thought the wii version was an enhanced port or something like that and this applied to the ds version aswell
Super Mario Bros Plumbing from the Super Mario Bros Movie also used the New Super Mario Bros font... but had the word "Super" aligned more like the original Super Mario Bros
I don’t think it’s fair to shit all over the new super Mario Bros series. Yes, they did get stale after about four entries that featured similar environmental and gameplay mechanics but at the same time they were never bad games and really super Mario Bros wonder is just a natural evolution of the new super Mario Bros series.
Yeah. The argument of artstyle I think doesn’t apply 100%. The reason every next Mario game had a different art style is because of graphical upgrades. For a while I didn’t think 2D Mario couldn’t better their artstyle, but just like how spiderverse revolutionized animation wonder did the same but on a more local scale. The game just looks amazing and artistic with still being 3D
He shits on nsmb2 all the time but that game was my first 2d Mario since Mario Land 2 on the og Gameboy. I'm old. I love the coins it's just very satisfying to play
@@orangemonks894 Thing is, the Wii is also a huge graphical update to the DS, yet NSMB Wii is not an artstyle update. In fact, it's arguably even a downgrade, notice how much more desaturated and sterile NSMB Wii looks compared to the others? Beyond that, stuff that made sense on the DS like the 2D assets didn't make sense on the Wii. Compare DKC Returns to NSMB Wii, or even NSMB U in some respects, and tell me what has a more interesting aesthetic.
nsmbds was my ultimate childhood game. My (non blood related) aunts would play it, my actual uncle loved this as he grew up on the SNES and 64 and i just loved playing it so much. Whenever i look at it, it scratches a nostalgia synapse in my brain.
I remember being extremely hyped for New Super Mario Bros for DS. It was the whole reason i sold my games and gamecube at gamestop. (Yes, i regret that. But i was a kid, didnt know better. Scott just made me realize that it REALLY was almost 20 years of the same style of super mario bros. Holy shit.
@@NickMario1 no. But i did rebuy one years later as an adult with pretty much a catalog of “the best of the best” games. Which i do not have time for these days but im saving them for when im old and retired lol (if i make it )
@agent012 GameCube is overrated anyway. Though it does have some amazing games like Metroid Prime, Pikmin & Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door; which they've been remastered on Switch. So I guess your better off with the Switch.
I'll always have strong nostalgia and respect to NSMB Wii as a single game... but the damage it did to the Mario franchise is why the NSMB brand had to go lol. It really gave Nintendo the idea that as long as they put NSMB everywhere, they'll be successful no matter what. Cramming its aesthetic into every Mario spinoff, giving us two of them in one year over anything else, making it the sole big launch title of their new system. Like, in an indirect way, that one game nearly sank Nintendo as a whole lol. Think what particularly ticked me off is how often Nintendo will refuse to do logical things from other companies or fan demand because, "its not creative". Then proceeded to lazily rely on this one brand, and act surprised it didn't last forever. Glad to have mostly moved on from it. Though we can sort of feel its effects to this day...
Its funny that they called it New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe when it has less features than the Wii U version due to no GamePad. That mode wasn't very fun, but it still means the Wii U version has more content than the Switch version.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the best for me. I loved the new world 9, the power ups were really fun, and it was on a console. As I grew up I realized having a game on a console felt much better for me. New Super Mario Bros. U felt like a downgrade to me for some reason. Idk what it was but something about it I just didnt like about it. I gave it 10 years and started playing it again and got all the gold coins....I still think it is just meh compared to the Wii version
Same. I think it's because it's New Super Mario Bros Wii on Wii U because most levels are borrowed right out of the Wii and I didn't like that the Propeller & Penguin Suits were only obtainable at post game.
Scott is 100% correct in his analysis. I had this strange wart on the back of my hand for like two years and now its' super weird thats its gone. Even though its been gone for 2 years now. And thats exactly how I feel when I go to TARGET and there's zero DS games. Like what do you mean the DS section is just GONE???
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Super Mario Bros Wonder was originally named "New Super Mario Bros 3" during development and changed the name so it wouldn't be confused with New Super Mario Bros U. Even looking at the logos of both games, you can tell it still shares the same NSMB style. I can totally believe that inside Nintendo, Wonder is still consider a part of the NSMB series. My point is that Wonder is a true sequel to NSMB. Similar to how in Japan, SMB3 is the true sequel to SMB, compared to SMB and SMB 2 which were particularly the same game.
I would like to see mechanics implemented that effect the timer. If a player is near the start of the stage, then the timer depletes faster. If a player makes contact with certain on screen objects, then it could deplete a set amount of time. Players can find objects on screen that if touched increase the timer. This adds to the dynamic of the level design, and in many cases level timers are irrelevant. This forces a change in player behaviours moving throughout a level. However, if the demands are not as pronounced as they are for speed runners. It may be deemed by players as acceptable challenge, or a minor annoyance.
Played the first game on DS then realized they made like a million more. Wish they'd go back to Sunshine or Galaxy. Man those games were great and I know Odyssey and Wonder seem to be somewhat spiritual successors.
Why would you want them to go backwards instead of forward? You didn't understand the point the video was making about the mario franchise not moving forward.
I don't agree about Sunshine being great. In fact, it's the worst 3D Mario game IMO. But if they make an Sunshine 2 or an remake of Sunshine with QOL improvements, than I wouldn't mind.
Sometimes when I hear people talk about NSMB DS I also think about Metroid Prime Hunters Kinda got the same "forgotten entry on the DS that was really impressive despite its shortcomings" thing going on, Hunters just was a lot weaker compared to its console counterparts - which isn't a fair comparison but still I have a sweetspot for Hunters all the same because it's genuinely really impressive what they did with the weaker hardware, it's not a big game at all but it kinda just couldn't be -and that's not to mention the PvP mode that I'd love to try on a Switch- and it's a fine lil experience anyways
im so happy that wonder has come out because it reminded me of playing nsmbw with my siblings, especially since i only play wonder with my siblings because we want to beat it before my brother goes off to college and my sister graduates high school and moves away to her college.
Super Mario Wonders use the same font the use in the original Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros 2. They change it in super mario bros 3 and again in World. So, yeah, it's cool they maintain the same font.
Just recently played U deluxe. It was "fine" but got stale quick. Wonder, however, had me hooked, and I 100% over the course of 3 days. It's just a different kind of quality.
I remember a while people liked to talk about how Nintendo's philosophy was "Gameplay should be its own reward" or whatever- rather than unlocking new things or extrinsic rewards. Which in practice meant that Mario games kind of locked their aesthetic in place and nominally tried to focus on the gameplay, it kind of made both the aesthetic and the gameplay suffer, because the aesthetic cues inform you what you're doing in a game (Odyssey and Wonder are both GREAT at this). NSMB DS being fairly "standard Mario" was great BECAUSE Mario had drifted far enough from the basics that "back to the basics" stood out as a bold choice unto itself- looking at it told you: this wasn't Sunshine, this wasn't Galaxy, this was its own thing. It doesn't feel like a bold choice when, rather than comparing it to Sunshine or Galaxy, you're comparing it to the another NSMB!
@@AkameGaKillfan777 The idea is more you'd find each level fun enough that you wouldn't need the incentives of say, story stuff or new enemy types or new visuals or whatever to keep you interested- just the fact that it's a new level. I'm not ENTIRELY unsympathetic this philosophy for design because it keeps you from trying to paper over weak gameplay with flashy visuals or cutscenes. But Nintendo pushed it to enough of an extreme it stopped being "don't use this tool in the design toolkit as a crutch" and became "don't use this tool in the design toolkit... period". This most famously harmed the Paper Mario sub-series, which basically lost their entire identity after the first two games. But in retrospect I'm seeing it as having harmed NSMB too. I don't think it's a coincidence that Wonder released around the time Nintendo's committed to remakes of Super Mario RPG and The Thousand Year Door- both classics that seemed to embarrass them until they got over themselves recently, because they seem to have been doing Mario "wrong" according to their NSMB-era philosophy (but not their Wonder-era philosophy).
The multiplayer of New Super Mario Bros DS was amazing. Me and my brother were hardcore and played only for 10 stars, no time limit. I felt like a ninja, running around jumping and shooting.
I loved it so much. I just don't understand how they messed it up afterwards. I loved how the game never freezes after being hit. Something even 3D world couldn't get right
something that I think is interesting in worth talking about is that people still to this day remember the blue shell power up from the First new Super Mario bros, despite that video game being not even remotely in any way possibly slightly catered to that power up and having like, three moments in the whole fucking game where its fun to use meanwhile, the propeller suit had pretty much every level designed to allow for it to be ised, and more people STILL talk about that damn shell. cuz it ROCKED
Still remember when i found out new super mario bros ds was coming out at an alberstons off a nintendo power magazine before social media and i lost my shit
Growing as a Sonic fan we never really had this issue back then, I didn’t even know it was a thing as we had no shortages of 2D Sonic games, consoles had 3D Sonic and handhelds had 2D ones, also Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush did the “bring 3D elements and move set to 2D” long before Mario did it, in fact I remember when Nintendo first revealed New Super Mario all I was thinking is “this is Nintendo’s answer to Sonic Rush” because that’s what it is, a Mario take on Sonic Rush.
It was not "An answer to Rush" it was due to Super Mario Sunshine selling just 6 million, the Mario franchise was becoming the Sonic franchise, as it went from everyone plays to just specific fans, so they gambled on making the 2D. The problem? They "staled" (as Scott said) because they focused a lot in the casual audience.
Sonic Rush didn't really bring 3D elements to 2D. In fact, the opposite happened, Sonic Unleashed took Sonic Rush elements into 3D. Sonic Rush is the true first Boost Formula game. Also NSMB is nothing like Sonic Rush, even more-so than Mario is typically different from Sonic. NSMB I would say is the Mario equivalent to Sonic Advance rather than Sonic Rush.
@@northwindkey this isn’t true, Sonic Rush implemented several elements from the 3D games like the jump dash, homing attack, rail grinding, wall jump and obtaining the chaos emeralds throughout the story for a final story with Super Sonic. Also the Sonic Advance games prior implemted several elements from the 3D games as well such as the slide, Tails’ tail attack, punching as Knuckles, and Amy’s hammer attack which at the time was a new concept.
I followed the development of New Super Mario Bros. for the DS religiously after it had been announced. I remember being really excited seeing some new environments like Mario walking through a forest village at night, or seeing some of the new mechanics, like enemies being able to use power-ups. The hype was immense, to the point that the final product felt lacking. Even back then I thought re-using SMB3 world themes was lazy. I know my opinion isn't in the majority since a lot of people seem to love NSMB, but as a huge Mario fan who grew up playing the NES and SNES titles, I wasn't overly impressed. It was good, but not great.
With Wii being my childhood, what I think about the NSMB games are that you ONLY play one of the games, because after you play two, they get worse and worse. Happened to me with Wii to U, but I’m so happy that Wonder came out.
I'm always gonna be nostalgic for the NSMB games, but the mario series absolutely needed wonder.
I’ll back that til the day I died. I’ll always love NSMBW, but we needed Wonder.
You mean New Super Mario Brothers Megamix? Just wait till the next Mario game you get is Mario Marker Switchhitter, that just includes "Fat-shaming Mario"
Yeah I always said super Mario wonder is new refreshing etc
But nsmbu is more traditional
"Just what I needed!”
New Super Mario Bros on the DS was the first 2D Mario in so long since well the collection on GBA with Super Mario World.
Thank you for putting some respect on New Super Mario Bros DS. People forget that an art style that looks super bland on a wii u was (and still is) an amazing achievement on the DS.
It’s still the ugliest Mario game of all of them. I hate the way NSMB DS looks
@@MaxOaklandnuh uh
@@MaxOakland nuh uh ×2
@@MaxOaklandNot only was it a monumental achievement for a 2005 DS game, but also, your music is mid, BUT that’s my personal opinion.
@@giggymuun LMAO ouch
Super Mario Bros Wonder was honestly what the 2D mario games needed. I had such an awesome time playing this game and hope for more creative mario games in the future
I thought 2D was dead. I told most people to just buy Mario Maker 2 over Mario U Deluxe. Wonder has breathed new life into the 2D series. I do think, however, the next 2D Mario is a LONGGGG way off. I would expect additions to Wonder and a DLC with a re-release.
It seems that everyone on the internet has forgotten that Mario Maker 2 also has an adventure mode with a whole bunch of levels made by Nintendo
@@paulhart7739 Mario maker 2 is one of the best games on switch. Definitely in the top 10 games. It is VERY underrated. And yes, you can create multilevel games.
@@paulhart7739 I think it’s underrated because Nintendo has de-emphasised its potential and capabilities.
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Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
Holy Spirit Can give you peace guidance and purpose and the Lord will
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
Super Luigi U is lowkey goated. Fast-paced level design and neat luigi easter eggs everywhere
Yea but it handles like you’re in a dream. Like the entire game is an ice level with terribly floaty delayed loose controls
@@V8chump welcome to Luigi physics
@@V8chump That's literally how classic Luigi controls
@@V8chump tbf that's the whole point
I fucking love Luigi U
But Scott. It's called Super Mario Wonder because W is pronounced as double-U so it's a sequel to U.
/s
Super Mario Bros Oo-under
mario uuonder...
This series inspired me to write "new" in front of my name for over a decade. I'm not ready to put these three letters to rest!
Wat lmao
You can just put Wonder behind your name now!
Rip New Adam Jones (2006-2024)
New adam jones
New adam jones wii
New adam jones 2
New adams jones u
New adam jones u deluxe
@@wadejg_blaze0n213glad someone noticed his usernamde😂
I had alot of fun playing New Super Mario U Deluxe with my wife and kids...But Super Mario Wonder has been such a treat. It really clicked during the singing piranha plant level
Wdym it clicked? That’s like the second level.
@rouge939 that's how good it is dawg..
@@rouge939as in this game is different from the others
Fun fact: Both NSMBDS and NSMBWii sold around 30 million copies! Thats more than Mario 64, Sunshine, Mario galaxy 1 and 2 ever sold at a margin of almost 3 times more! (For Sunshine and Galaxy 2 its nearly 4 times more). If anyone was wondered why they pumped these out so much and why the mainline 3d mario series made a hard pivot to be more like them with "Super Mario 3d World", that's why.
Probably also explains why Nintendo changed things up with Wonder then, because U Deluxe didn't sell anywhere close to the first two entries. Not to say it hasn't sold well, but when Nintendo franchises/series have generally been putting up their best sales ever on the Switch, I'd have to imagine Nintendo expected it to sell far more than 16 million. I mean, it's a 2D Mario. That's supposed to be one of their flagship products. Mario Odyssey, the less accessible 3D open world Mario, actually ended up outperforming it by 11 million copies.
@@zachc2280 I agree with that analysis, it sold even worst on WII U at 5.82 million, though that be blamed on the Wii U poor sales itself (or both can be blamed really: NSMBU was supposed to be the system seller)
Looking at U deluxe's sales I was like "Damn, did even U deluxe sales beat out 64 and Galaxy!?" and yup, albeit on the switch. That console is a real money printer for nintendo!
Because these 2 games were genuinely pretty good. I do agree though that NSMB2 (really dumb title) and NSMBU, while not bad games, didn't really need to exist and were a bit too much like their predecessors.
I mean, the Wii and DS sold more than the N64 and GameCube and are more accessible than both the Galaxies.
@@MarioMario_1981 Mario 64 also came out on DS and still sold an equivalent amount of copies (It was a launch title aswell). Accessibility is certainly the biggest factor in their success, some people (mostly younger and older gamer) flat out can't play 3d games because of the camera.
I share the same thoughts about NSMBDS. If there weren't several games after it with the exact same style, I do think it would be looked at more fondly today.
It's four games. Four. Not ten, not twenty five, four. Technically six if you include Luigi U and the switch port, but even then that's not a lot. The games are all different anyway if you actually take the time to play them and appreciate it!
@@JRS06 It's enough games to upset people with how similar they all are overall even if they have some things that separate them.
@@JRS06Only 4 games, but you also had U Deluxe, Super Mario Maker 1 and 2 and Super Mario Run all keeping the series in the public consciousness. So even though it's only "4 games" all these factors kept it in the public consciousness for much longer. As well as the greater problem Scott points out, the NSMB "style" bled outwards from the games themselves to sanitize the greater franchise. Renders, enemy and character designs, etc. were all made to conform to the "New" style (this was at its worst in the Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story remakes for 3DS) whereas before in the N64/GameCube era they more freely referenced more interesting games like the spinoffs.
@@JRS06in comparison to two in the SMB1 style, one SMB2, one SMB3, one SMW...
@@JRS06It's four games looking nigh identical with repeated world themes released in the span of six years. And there are hardly any differences between the four games, they all play identical.
I wouldn't hate a Wonder 2, but I'd rather have them use the base of Wonder for the next game and change it up where it needs it. The art direction of Wonder is way more appealing than New's 3D in 2D
Same. I’ve rather play LOZ Skyward Sword over NSMBW
Same. Kinda like Kirby does from going from Return to Dreamland to Triple Deluxe to Planet Robobot and etc.
At their core these are still fun games, but it must've been very frustrating to fans that this was all 2D Mario was doing for a long time. I'll always have a soft spot for this series (especially DS and Wii) and I'll even revisit them every now and then, but I couldn't be happier that this era is over. Wonder was exactly what 2D Mario needed and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the franchise.
It can’t be very fun from a developer’s perspective either. Just like oh yeah put that game out…. Whatever. Kinda like Nintendo’s call of duty in a way. But then you hear about a developer interview where the lead guy says his team had over 2,000 gameplay ideas. That’s exactly what I wanna hear!
Long time? It was literally six years! The only reason it was a long time was because we didn't get a new one from 2021 to 2023. That's not the games' fault!
@@JRS066 years is still very long with basically the same same art style, music and mostly same gameplay (with only minor differences and different level designs).
It’s like how people enjoyed tekken 7 but we’re ready for 8 because the game had been on consoles for 7 years, and in Japan arcade, 10.
New Super Mario lasted longer than the Confederacy.
Lmao
LMFAOOOO clock it! 😂
As someone who loves 19th century American history. You quite literally ended me in laughter😭😭
ok.
No
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!! Don’t get me wrong I did enjoy the NSMB series but not because of the games. Because my siblings who aren’t gamers will play them with me, the chaos of playing with friends, & the fact that it’s a 2D Mario. We absolutely needed Wonder & I’m so damn glad we got it!! Bought it on release but only just now getting to play since I had to play Spider-Man 2 1st, I wish I would’ve played it sooner!
Spiderman 2 is awesome I was in that same situation I played sm2 first both awesome games
I'm just glad that we've probably got a really solid 3D Mario coming in the next year or so, but Wonder is probably my second favorite Mario game ever, so the Switch era Mario games are the best of all time I think.
Presumptuous of you! Everyone assuming a 3D Mario is on the horizon is quite literally why Nintendo will pivot completely and do something utterly bizarre instead like remove all 3D Mario games from the eshop without warning and release a new 1vs100 Metroid.
@@F0CKSTR0T Nintendo shoot me in the head several times a week without warning and there are people living in my games please help me get them out without Nintendo knowing
@@F0CKSTR0TI can see it 🤔
@@F0CKSTR0T This is so Nintendo it's going to happen now.
@@F0CKSTR0Tif they bring prime 2 multiplayer and make it support more players that would actually be fire tho
My fantasy as a child playing Super Mario World, was another dive into that map. There were so many secret red spots, everything was reachable on the main stroll, and i really wished there was more. Imagine a 3D reinventing of the dinosaur world, i would transfer my conscience into thar world
A 3D remake of Super Mario World….that’s so genius. Take my money, take it all
Super Mario World is perfect as it is, what would be the point of remaking it ? Just make new games.
@@hhrecordzz2838 I heard miyamoto was disappointed with world because of how many things he wanted in it that couldn't be done, plus world being made so early in the SNES lifespan doesn't help at all, so it would be cool to have it done done, tho I would guess by now that many of those ideas are in various mario games
As someone who never owned a Wii U but wanted a 2d Mario game for the switch, the new super mario u port was very welcome. I grew up playing the Wii one and this one, while it’s definitely more of the same, was still a lot of fun and enough to tide me over until Mario wonder came out
I still think the DS game gets a bad rap due to its followups. In a vacuum, the DS game is phenomenal. I think they really nailed it. Starting with Wii it started to feel very sterile. I have no other way to describe than that. And I liked Wii, I had a ton of fun with that game as a kid.
If anyone reading this is sick of the NSMB series but has not played the DS version, I highly recommend you give it a try.
I agree. BTW, I love your profile pic of Link.
Yeah, I still love the DS version. It also had a lot of a cool gimmicks
It's the only NSMB game that felt New.
@@jaretco6423 I remember it practically being an event. They sold a red ds lite with the mario logo, a mario hat, and nsmb in a bundle where I live. It was really damn cool.
Me as an idiot child though dropped that ds onto concrete and absolutely ruined it.
This is like a funeral that is more happy than sad. Hell a funeral that has any semblance of happiness
you mean a celebration of life?
Many cultures choose to celebrate the life as a way to mourn.
Less "life celebration", more "ding dong the witch is dead!"
So... its a funeral?? In Scotts metaverse a funeral is kind of like a party hahaha
*coffin dance dead meme intensifies
The one thing New Super Mario Bros. DS has over Wonder is unique bosses
I thought 3D World had some pretty cool bosses too
Agreed. Bowser Jr. is so weak in Wonder.🙄
The only game with worse bosses than Wonder is Super Mario Bros. 1
Shame they go down so easily. Only one jump and an ground pound will take them out with just 2 hit. Or one hit with an Mega Mushroom. Least Bowser Jr. in Wonder takes more than 3 hits this time.
@@jaretco6423 are you really gonna bother to bring a mega mushroom to fight a boss most of the time tho? At that point you're really going out of your way to get one, unless you got one in the mushroom house and saved it
Am I the only one who wonders if Scott is just laying on his stomach the whole time during these videos because of the carpet LOL
He’s sitting cross-cross apple sauce
Is his desk shag carpeted?
@@WheelmassHe's sitting in a W shape
I’ve been watching your channels for years, and I have to say I love how much better at writing you’ve gotten. This was a great video
Funny enough when Scott is referring to the logo, more specifically the font- while yes i'd agree that a new font/ logo style would be nice; that's actually the SAME font from the 1985 original. So it's understandable that it's kept that way, not just for branding like ya said- but also legacy sake.
nsmbw was one of my first video games, definitely one of my first 3, and i still love it to this day, while i agree its not one of the best mario games it definitely has a special charm to me and i dont think its just because of nostalgia i think its just got a lot of little quirks that i enjoy
I will say, after SilokHawk’s video on NSMB2 made me respect that game a lot more. Level backgrounds are a lot more creative than any of the other titles, and I love the increase of baas in the music. Coin collecting is a fun mechanic as well. So happy Wonder is a thing now tho, that game is phenomenally fun
Aside from the audio and the occasion edits from game footage, I can't help but laugh that Scott just sat down and waved his hands around for 15 entire minutes.
It was oversaturated in that era is because they needed the Wii U to sell well.
If a Mario game like Wonder was released in that era, it would've alienated the casuals who grew up with NSMBW/DS, because those games were their first introduction to Mario.
That probably made it worse since every other game shown during the Wii U reveal was an OG Wii title.
Having only played New Super Mario Bros, NSMB Wii, and a few worlds of NSMB U, then get 100% on Wonder. I can 100% say Wonder is genuinely the best time I've ever had playing ANY Mario game, including the 3D games
The original NSMB was pretty fun, but the one thing that holds it back for me from being a really great game is the crappy save system. You can't save it until after you've visited a Toad house, beat a boss level or something special in general. It very much should've been saving after every level you beat or just save whenever you feel like in the level select menu, like a lot of games even way before 2006 were already doing! Otherwise the game was pretty good.
The entire NSMB series unfortunately retained this design choice. I guess they did technically add quick saves in Wii but that was a crappy band-aid solution. Even NSMB2 which released after 3D Land (a game that autosaved after each level) had this problem, which meant it didn't have the ability to be played in short bursts like 3D Land did. You had to make time for these games and couldn't just fit a level or two in between a quick break. As much as I like the NSMB series (and especially the DS game), they held onto way too many archaic game design choices from the arcade era.
@Some-guy-on-the-internet dang, I thought the games after would've fixed that. That's a little bit worse than DS doing it. I mean it's not like these levels last all that long, but still. Given difficultly and trying to get everything, that can add up in time that could potentially be erased if not saved in time.
@@DannyBenS94 For sure! I still remember the dread of seeing that red battery indicator after completing several levels and having still not reached a save point yet. This series has a reputation for being creatively bankrupt in its art direction and mechanics but there's been surprisingly little quality of life improvements and I think more people should be criticizing that too.
That's never been a problem to me in NSMB, but I absolutely HATE that in Super Mario World on the SNES! It's a difficult game compared to most other Mario games and I did get stuck on some levels for quite a while because I could barely make it to the castle and then I would of course fail that. Even when I played with a friend who used to speedrun the game years ago, we didn't make it to the next save point for an entire evening (granted, both of us being drunk on that occasion probably didn't help). Was still fun though, but would've been even better if we could have played more than the same 3 or 4 levels over and over...
That's crazy because all of the mario advance games allowed you to save and quit whenever you wanted. And beating a world allowed you to save and continue
13:49 Many people were confused about the logo. This game felt really fresh. The gameplay videos and critical reviews of the NSMB games got tiring after a while so this felt great to watch.
POV you pull out your physical copies of a franchise to lay them on the high-pile carpet, sit on your knees, and touch and contemplate them.
I have bad news for you, the carpet is on a table
@@thisname5ucks youu sunuvabiii
Don’t worry guys! The gravestone of the NSMB games will be “New”! In honor of the series!
(It’s just a bland and normal gravestone)
if you get 1 million dollars the gravestone becomes golden
Only difference is the sticker that says "New" in the top left corner
You basard. The series deserves more respect. When DS and Wii revived a love for 2D Mario, it's a bit unfair to give something so important and underwhelming sendoff.
New super mario bros arent the best mario games, but they’re still pretty good tbh
Still waiting for Scott to have a video where he has to pick up whatever is on the carpet, because his mom is vacuuming the carpet.
sadly the "carpet" is actually just a rug on a table 😢😢😢
You think he still lives with his mom at 26? 😅
I'm so relieved that Nintendo didn't let the ridiculous sales of NSMBU trick them into thinking that there was nothing wrong with the New Super Mario Bros. series, and that the only problem was the Wii U. Mario Wonder feels like SUCH an upgrade.
Does Scott have a table with that carpet or does he film laying on the ground? Does he have a mic down there or does voice over matching his hand gestures?
recently started playing super mario wonder and wow. the entire game feels like an acid trip. so much completely new enemies, mechanics, and levels. on top of there being a choice if you wanna do hard levels or not, as well as the difficulty rating to warn newer players of levels that might be harder
Fun fact: NSMB Wii was the game that made me want a Wii. I liked the SNES ones, and seeing a 2D Mario with better graphics was appealing to me
New Super Mario Bros. was my first video game ever, it was my super mario bros. 3, or my super mario world, it was pretty much my introduction into gaming as a whole.
I was around 5 years old at the time, I eventually played smb3 and smw and loved those as well, I played NSMB 2 as well and all it did was ponder to my nostalgia when playing the first game, a real junk food game as Scott put it, the one for the Wii I played as well, but I didn't like it as much because I had no one to play it with, and I felt that was the whole point of the game (since the levels were so much bigger than the DS game).
Super Mario Bros. Wonder makes me feel like a kid playing through NSMB for the first time again, that "Wonder" effect it has caters to that inner child and I think Mario games are all about that. :)
i grew up with the original nintendo and mario and playing wonder brought back so many memories of being a kid. i absolutely love the game and beat it within days. i usually abandon games long before beating them so it just goes to show how much i enjoyed it
What’s crazy to think is I was 9 when New super Mario U was released, and I turned 20 this year when wonder came out
Maybe you should have moved to later stages beyond the first world on NSMB Wii. It was a multiplayer game too.
I have the NSMB U Deluxe on the Switch and really like it a lot! I missed out on all the previous SMB games since I did not have Nintendo gear. So for me NSMB U Deluxe is basically all new and the reason to buy it was that people complained that it’s all the same as previous versions. Exactly what I was looking for 😊
Super Mario Wonder feels like the true successor to Super Mario World.
I grew up in the 90s so my nostalgia was for the SNES Mario games and the Game Boy ones. This also included the NES games that were remastered on SNES via Super Mario All Stars. I really don't have much nostalgia for the New Super Mario Bros games at all even though I had uploaded an entire 2 player playthrough of the Wii game back in 2009 and 2010
I *LOVED* 3D World, it's a great sequel to 3D Land
I think if they came out with NSMB Wii first, that game would have gotten phenomenal reviews. Since it came out after the DS game, it just became 4 player NSMB.
Been WAITING for Scott to talk about this
i thoroughly enjoyed the ''new super Mario bros. games. especially the ones on DS and 3DS. that being said, super mario bros wonder is MIND-BLOWINGLY AWESOME ! but i have to say i have and d still do enjoy all of the super Mario games from nes on up to today.
Anyone else here stopped watching Scott the Woz ages ago but watch every Scotts Stash video?
I feel like the AWESOME OFFSPRING a lot of the times in my Super Mario family
I just beat NSMBWU Deluxe and i’m giving myself a break for a couple months until I pick up Wonder just so it can feel fresh and new again
Honestly, the Wii version still feels the best. Probably because that’s the one my siblings and I played the most together and we loved finding all the secrets. Wonder had a really cool map hub but it still felt like it was missing something. Also multiplayer on the Wii felt more polished especially how it’s designed for the players to move together where others kinda have just player one have the camera follow them. The new games don’t really get that many power ups either and in the Wii there was so many different cool power ups and interactions with the yoshi’s.
I think the old mario bros is better then wonder but hate me ig
as a kid i thought you needed to keep your star coins to progress in new super mario bros ds beacause someone told me that. turns out he had smb wii but beacause these games all looked so damn similar i thought the wii version was an enhanced port or something like that and this applied to the ds version aswell
Super Mario Bros Plumbing from the Super Mario Bros Movie also used the New Super Mario Bros font... but had the word "Super" aligned more like the original Super Mario Bros
nsmbwii’s coop is the only reason i have decent memories from it.
nsmb DS had legitimately good level design above the rest
Challenge: Take a shot every time Scott says new
I don’t think it’s fair to shit all over the new super Mario Bros series. Yes, they did get stale after about four entries that featured similar environmental and gameplay mechanics but at the same time they were never bad games and really super Mario Bros wonder is just a natural evolution of the new super Mario Bros series.
Yeah. The argument of artstyle I think doesn’t apply 100%. The reason every next Mario game had a different art style is because of graphical upgrades.
For a while I didn’t think 2D Mario couldn’t better their artstyle, but just like how spiderverse revolutionized animation wonder did the same but on a more local scale. The game just looks amazing and artistic with still being 3D
He shits on nsmb2 all the time but that game was my first 2d Mario since Mario Land 2 on the og Gameboy. I'm old.
I love the coins it's just very satisfying to play
@@orangemonks894 Thing is, the Wii is also a huge graphical update to the DS, yet NSMB Wii is not an artstyle update. In fact, it's arguably even a downgrade, notice how much more desaturated and sterile NSMB Wii looks compared to the others? Beyond that, stuff that made sense on the DS like the 2D assets didn't make sense on the Wii. Compare DKC Returns to NSMB Wii, or even NSMB U in some respects, and tell me what has a more interesting aesthetic.
@@northwindkeyKirby: Return to Dreamland does it better too.
nsmbds was my ultimate childhood game. My (non blood related) aunts would play it, my actual uncle loved this as he grew up on the SNES and 64 and i just loved playing it so much. Whenever i look at it, it scratches a nostalgia synapse in my brain.
Why did that last wart comment hit so hard. It’s been 3 years, I miss him…
I remember being extremely hyped for New Super Mario Bros for DS. It was the whole reason i sold my games and gamecube at gamestop. (Yes, i regret that. But i was a kid, didnt know better. Scott just made me realize that it REALLY was almost 20 years of the same style of super mario bros. Holy shit.
Did you get the GameCube back?
@@NickMario1 no. But i did rebuy one years later as an adult with pretty much a catalog of “the best of the best” games. Which i do not have time for these days but im saving them for when im old and retired lol (if i make it )
@agent012 GameCube is overrated anyway. Though it does have some amazing games like Metroid Prime, Pikmin & Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door; which they've been remastered on Switch. So I guess your better off with the Switch.
If they ever came back with the New franchise all nintendo fans would die of how far back their eyes rolled inside their skulls.
Yet they want another mario galaxy game. Asinine.
IIRC, Super Mario Maker was inspired by the level builder program Nintendo used to create the levels for NSMB Wii and U.
These Videos are just Scott Going Insane Talking About mario in Solitary Confinement
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that Mario Odyssey didn’t use NSMB stuff and that game did its own thing unique and not something bland.
I'll always have strong nostalgia and respect to NSMB Wii as a single game... but the damage it did to the Mario franchise is why the NSMB brand had to go lol.
It really gave Nintendo the idea that as long as they put NSMB everywhere, they'll be successful no matter what.
Cramming its aesthetic into every Mario spinoff, giving us two of them in one year over anything else, making it the sole big launch title of their new system.
Like, in an indirect way, that one game nearly sank Nintendo as a whole lol.
Think what particularly ticked me off is how often Nintendo will refuse to do logical things from other companies or fan demand because, "its not creative". Then proceeded to lazily rely on this one brand, and act surprised it didn't last forever.
Glad to have mostly moved on from it. Though we can sort of feel its effects to this day...
I still play the fanmade ones on DS and wii, they are true sequels we never got
Could you imagine if they named it "New Super Mario Bros Wonder"? Glad they held back on that.
Its funny that they called it New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe when it has less features than the Wii U version due to no GamePad. That mode wasn't very fun, but it still means the Wii U version has more content than the Switch version.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the best for me. I loved the new world 9, the power ups were really fun, and it was on a console. As I grew up I realized having a game on a console felt much better for me.
New Super Mario Bros. U felt like a downgrade to me for some reason. Idk what it was but something about it I just didnt like about it. I gave it 10 years and started playing it again and got all the gold coins....I still think it is just meh compared to the Wii version
Same what is this guy saying it’s boring 😂
Same. I think it's because it's New Super Mario Bros Wii on Wii U because most levels are borrowed right out of the Wii and I didn't like that the Propeller & Penguin Suits were only obtainable at post game.
Scott is 100% correct in his analysis. I had this strange wart on the back of my hand for like two years and now its' super weird thats its gone. Even though its been gone for 2 years now. And thats exactly how I feel when I go to TARGET and there's zero DS games. Like what do you mean the DS section is just GONE???
I’ll never forget the first two. Got the Ds Mario bros for Christmas along with my first ever Nintendo console, the Ds lite.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Super Mario Bros Wonder was originally named "New Super Mario Bros 3" during development and changed the name so it wouldn't be confused with New Super Mario Bros U. Even looking at the logos of both games, you can tell it still shares the same NSMB style. I can totally believe that inside Nintendo, Wonder is still consider a part of the NSMB series.
My point is that Wonder is a true sequel to NSMB. Similar to how in Japan, SMB3 is the true sequel to SMB, compared to SMB and SMB 2 which were particularly the same game.
Technically 2 was the third game
I was gonna go rage about your comment but after you edited it, your point is much clearer
Just finished wonder today! It’s such an amazing game
Trash
I would like to see mechanics implemented that effect the timer. If a player is near the start of the stage, then the timer depletes faster. If a player makes contact with certain on screen objects, then it could deplete a set amount of time. Players can find objects on screen that if touched increase the timer. This adds to the dynamic of the level design, and in many cases level timers are irrelevant. This forces a change in player behaviours moving throughout a level. However, if the demands are not as pronounced as they are for speed runners. It may be deemed by players as acceptable challenge, or a minor annoyance.
Fun fact , Mario Wonder is the next install ment of new super mario bro saga, it just doesn't have the new super mario title upon it
Played the first game on DS then realized they made like a million more. Wish they'd go back to Sunshine or Galaxy. Man those games were great and I know Odyssey and Wonder seem to be somewhat spiritual successors.
Either Galaxy 3 or Odyssey 2 is the dream!
Why would you want them to go backwards instead of forward? You didn't understand the point the video was making about the mario franchise not moving forward.
I don't agree about Sunshine being great. In fact, it's the worst 3D Mario game IMO. But if they make an Sunshine 2 or an remake of Sunshine with QOL improvements, than I wouldn't mind.
Sometimes when I hear people talk about NSMB DS I also think about Metroid Prime Hunters
Kinda got the same "forgotten entry on the DS that was really impressive despite its shortcomings" thing going on, Hunters just was a lot weaker compared to its console counterparts - which isn't a fair comparison but still
I have a sweetspot for Hunters all the same because it's genuinely really impressive what they did with the weaker hardware, it's not a big game at all but it kinda just couldn't be -and that's not to mention the PvP mode that I'd love to try on a Switch- and it's a fine lil experience anyways
If they remake the game with better controls and feeling like an Metroid game rather than being an Call of Duty or Halo clone, than I would love it.
R.I.P propeller mushroom, mini mushroom, ice flower, penguin suit, super acorn, blue shell, and mega mushroom.
im so happy that wonder has come out because it reminded me of playing nsmbw with my siblings, especially since i only play wonder with my siblings because we want to beat it before my brother goes off to college and my sister graduates high school and moves away to her college.
I picked up Wonder and it’s fun, but it feels like the New games to me. There’s some new things here and there but it feels the kind of the same.
As someone who played all these to completion Wii is somehow still my favorite
Wii is my favorite is because it was my second ever video game
Do you take song requests?
Super Mario Wonders use the same font the use in the original Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros 2. They change it in super mario bros 3 and again in World. So, yeah, it's cool they maintain the same font.
Just recently played U deluxe. It was "fine" but got stale quick. Wonder, however, had me hooked, and I 100% over the course of 3 days. It's just a different kind of quality.
I remember a while people liked to talk about how Nintendo's philosophy was "Gameplay should be its own reward" or whatever- rather than unlocking new things or extrinsic rewards. Which in practice meant that Mario games kind of locked their aesthetic in place and nominally tried to focus on the gameplay, it kind of made both the aesthetic and the gameplay suffer, because the aesthetic cues inform you what you're doing in a game (Odyssey and Wonder are both GREAT at this). NSMB DS being fairly "standard Mario" was great BECAUSE Mario had drifted far enough from the basics that "back to the basics" stood out as a bold choice unto itself- looking at it told you: this wasn't Sunshine, this wasn't Galaxy, this was its own thing. It doesn't feel like a bold choice when, rather than comparing it to Sunshine or Galaxy, you're comparing it to the another NSMB!
"Gameplay should be its own reward."
So I should just keep running around in a circle because, "it's fun?"
@@AkameGaKillfan777 The idea is more you'd find each level fun enough that you wouldn't need the incentives of say, story stuff or new enemy types or new visuals or whatever to keep you interested- just the fact that it's a new level. I'm not ENTIRELY unsympathetic this philosophy for design because it keeps you from trying to paper over weak gameplay with flashy visuals or cutscenes. But Nintendo pushed it to enough of an extreme it stopped being "don't use this tool in the design toolkit as a crutch" and became "don't use this tool in the design toolkit... period". This most famously harmed the Paper Mario sub-series, which basically lost their entire identity after the first two games. But in retrospect I'm seeing it as having harmed NSMB too. I don't think it's a coincidence that Wonder released around the time Nintendo's committed to remakes of Super Mario RPG and The Thousand Year Door- both classics that seemed to embarrass them until they got over themselves recently, because they seem to have been doing Mario "wrong" according to their NSMB-era philosophy (but not their Wonder-era philosophy).
@@PaperyPip That's just one of several reasons why I thought Odyssey was boring
The multiplayer of New Super Mario Bros DS was amazing. Me and my brother were hardcore and played only for 10 stars, no time limit. I felt like a ninja, running around jumping and shooting.
I loved it so much. I just don't understand how they messed it up afterwards. I loved how the game never freezes after being hit. Something even 3D world couldn't get right
@@leonpaelinck interesting. I never considered the world freeze, but I get why it can be annoying.
New super Mario bros Wii wasn’t boring for me because I didn’t have a DS at the time, thus I didn’t know about the prior games
something that I think is interesting in worth talking about is that people still to this day remember the blue shell power up from the First new Super Mario bros, despite that video game being not even remotely in any way possibly slightly catered to that power up and having like, three moments in the whole fucking game where its fun to use
meanwhile, the propeller suit had pretty much every level designed to allow for it to be ised, and more people STILL talk about that damn shell. cuz it ROCKED
New Super Marios Bros U is great and i will die defending it
When you look at a game designed with multiplayer in mind from a single player perspective it seems a bit empty doesn’t it?
Still remember when i found out new super mario bros ds was coming out at an alberstons off a nintendo power magazine before social media and i lost my shit
Growing as a Sonic fan we never really had this issue back then, I didn’t even know it was a thing as we had no shortages of 2D Sonic games, consoles had 3D Sonic and handhelds had 2D ones, also Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush did the “bring 3D elements and move set to 2D” long before Mario did it, in fact I remember when Nintendo first revealed New Super Mario all I was thinking is “this is Nintendo’s answer to Sonic Rush” because that’s what it is, a Mario take on Sonic Rush.
It was not "An answer to Rush" it was due to Super Mario Sunshine selling just 6 million, the Mario franchise was becoming the Sonic franchise, as it went from everyone plays to just specific fans, so they gambled on making the 2D. The problem? They "staled" (as Scott said) because they focused a lot in the casual audience.
@@TheLelChannel tbf Mario Sunshine had more problems than just 3D it was bad.
Sonic Rush didn't really bring 3D elements to 2D. In fact, the opposite happened, Sonic Unleashed took Sonic Rush elements into 3D. Sonic Rush is the true first Boost Formula game. Also NSMB is nothing like Sonic Rush, even more-so than Mario is typically different from Sonic. NSMB I would say is the Mario equivalent to Sonic Advance rather than Sonic Rush.
@@northwindkey this isn’t true, Sonic Rush implemented several elements from the 3D games like the jump dash, homing attack, rail grinding, wall jump and obtaining the chaos emeralds throughout the story for a final story with Super Sonic.
Also the Sonic Advance games prior implemted several elements from the 3D games as well such as the slide, Tails’ tail attack, punching as Knuckles, and Amy’s hammer attack which at the time was a new concept.
Wow a sonic fan getting something wrong who would have thought
I loved Wonder, but really feel like the NSMB series is really underrated!
I wouldn't say underrated. More like passable, but nothing that amazing.
I followed the development of New Super Mario Bros. for the DS religiously after it had been announced. I remember being really excited seeing some new environments like Mario walking through a forest village at night, or seeing some of the new mechanics, like enemies being able to use power-ups. The hype was immense, to the point that the final product felt lacking. Even back then I thought re-using SMB3 world themes was lazy.
I know my opinion isn't in the majority since a lot of people seem to love NSMB, but as a huge Mario fan who grew up playing the NES and SNES titles, I wasn't overly impressed. It was good, but not great.
With Wii being my childhood, what I think about the NSMB games are that you ONLY play one of the games, because after you play two, they get worse and worse. Happened to me with Wii to U, but I’m so happy that Wonder came out.
Just wait till they bring it back for the next console 💀
As a collection otherwise they are don whit the new series.
@@INFERNO95 Nooo, not the *New Super Mario Brothers All Stars*
Yeah I wouldn't have accepted New Super Luigi U slander. That game was actually super fun
Mario Wonder...is so good. I finish yesterday the story , but now I 'll do 100% .
Cant wait for NEW super mario bros wonder.