Climate Futures: Beyond 02022 | Kim Stanley Robinson
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Long Now continues our dialogue with the acclaimed writer Kim Stanley Robinson around COP26 and his most recent book The Ministry for the Future. Clean energy advocate & author Ramez Naam will join Robinson on stage after the talk for a further discussion.
Tackling topics from carbon quantitative easing, to political action, to planetary-level engineering, Robinson describes our current situation as "all-hands-on-deck" where every possible mitigation strategy should be tried. You can find our other talks with Kim Stanley Robinson on our UA-cam channel.
Kim Stanley Robinson is an American novelist, widely recognized as one of the foremost living writers of science fiction and increasingly, climate fiction. His work has been described as humanist or literary science fiction and his use of scientific accuracy and non-fiction descriptions places him in the hard sci-fi genre.
Robinson has published more than 20 novels including his much honored "Mars trilogy", New York 2140 (02017), and The Ministry for the Future (02020). Robinson studied under Ursula K Le Guin and earned a Ph.D. in literature from UCSD with a dissertation on the works of Philip K. Dick.
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3:02 - Speaker begins.
Working on solutions. I have no credentials and no voice. Good luck people! 😌👍
We have had "ecoterrorism"--the blowing up of the Nordstream 2 pipeline, and subsequent huge gas release.
“I can’t thrive 95°” -Sammy Hagar
Internet: 🏆
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Talking about discounting future generations feels strange, instead, discounting my own future is far more understandable. Anyone of us could be alife 2060...
The jet turbine engine is the problem but everyone is ignoring this fact.
Facts > > > In one 24 hour period there will be 43,000 jets in the air. This amounts to a bare minimum of 86,000 jet engines. A jet engine burns up to 2,000 degrees.
There is NEVER any moment of any one day that there are less than 1,500 jets in the air everyday of the year. This is a minimum of 3,000 jet engines consuming air non-stop in one 24 hour period.
Some jets have 4 jet turbines. So the realistic total amount of jet engines in one day is around 106,000.
In one year the total amount of air travel flights is 39,000,000 air travel flights. This amounts to over one billion jet engines. A jet engine burns at 2,000 degrees.
It is a problem, but for me it is overpopulation.
If just 100 million humans then plane travel not a problem, deforestation not a problem, over fishing not a problem. The human right fanatics (many old ladies) are trying to shift the blame elsewhere. It is a selfish self survival strategy.
Lots of numbers thrown out there. But I get the point.
Ask any young people and they'll say they don't have one.
We adapt or we die, that's my generation's marching orders.
@@mellowInventor Unfortunately. You are absolutely correct.
My teenage grandkids would agree. Our generation has much to answer for…should we even know what to do
Hmm. Brand new electric car.. 2t of aluminium, plastic and lithium, plus backplane upgrades, plus new power stations, plus plus plus..
Upgrading 2 litre 6 speed triumph vitesse engine from 1969 to 2008 spec? A box of bits you can get as a *kit* and weighs less than 10kg.
Guess which one I'm doing. Guess which one is more efficient to help the environment...
But hey, you go ahead and manufacture yourselves into the ground. You do know concrete creates CO² as it sets yes? You have realised that aluminium is 1000x more polluting than sheet steel?
Please for the love of reality stop hugging these dribbling idiot failed greenpeacers.
@@tmseh well this is why Solar geoengineering must be an option and why I’m all for it
I have mixed feelings about the book. Many qualities: I like the dispersed format of the story, some aspects of the style, some useful reminders such as "climate change is real and caused by humans," or "we are in the sixth mass extinction," or "this is the Jevons paradox." But too many things are plain wrong. Chapter 56 in the book: "The US and several other big countries had withdrawn from the court’s jurisdiction (The Intertnational Criminal Court of The Hague) after negative rulings against their citizens." whereas in our real world: "The General Assembly (of the UN) convened a conference in Rome in June 1998, with the aim of finalizing the treaty to serve as the Court's statute. On 17 July 1998, the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court was adopted by a vote of 120 to seven, with 21 countries abstaining. The seven countries that voted against the treaty were China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, the U.S., and Yemen." Quite another reality...
Chapter 55 in the book, writing about France: ...the Commune of 1848... No. The Revolution of 1848 (the third one) from February 22 to February 24, 1848, led to the abdication of King Louis Philippe and to the foundation of the Second Republic. The Commune was in France a Parisian insurrection against the Third Republic, from March 18 to May 28, 1871. The two are never confused, neither in French nor in English.
When you know Switzerland, it is kind of hilarious to see it portrayed as a welcoming country for refugees, and in Chapter 47, you might be led to believe that the Swiss banking industry is an old thing of the past that has little to do with Swiss prosperity (LOL). And about Germany and France, chapter 50: "...the rest of the world was irrelevant, or at most instruments to be used." What should one say, then, maybe, about the USA? About China? etc.
But the worst thing is the substance of the book. The reader might be led to believe that, yes, the climate situation is very, very bad (it starts like that in Chapter 1), but don't you worry too much, "clean energy", geoengineering and human goodwill will save us... in some decades, when many scientists today estimate we may have already crossed irreversible tipping points, when James Hansen writes "Eventual global warming due to today's GHG forcing alone - after slow feedbacks operate - is about 10°C." An increase of 5°C is generally considered beyond the point of extinction for humans. So false hope not based in reality is noxious, an anesthesic against action. Really, this is the only kind of book our contemporary fiction literature has to offer other than apocalyptic/survivalist, Rambo type, or stupid zombie series?
At the most defining time in human history, maybe the end of humanity, I'd like to give this excerpt of "Where is the fiction about climate change" by Amitav Ghosh, in The Guardian (the whole article is online and worth reading).
"In a substantially altered world, when sea-level rise has swallowed the Sundarbans and made cities such as Kolkata, New York and Bangkok uninhabitable, when readers and museum-goers turn to the art and literature of our time, will they not look, first and most urgently, for traces and portents of the altered world of their inheritance? And when they fail to find them, what can they do other than to conclude that ours was a time when most forms of art and literature were drawn into the modes of concealment that prevented people from recognising the realities of their plight? Quite possibly, then, this era, which so congratulates itself on its self-awareness, will come to be known as the time of the Great Derangement."
As global warming and overshoot don't happen in a vacuum but are descending on our society with politics, here is an excerpt from "Parable of the Talents" by Octavia Butler (1998):
"Jarret was inaugurated today.
We listened to his speech-short and rousing. Plenty of “America, America, God shed his grace on thee,” and “God bless America,” and “One nation, indivisible, under God,” and patriotism, law, order, sacred honor, flags everywhere, Bibles everywhere, people waving one of each. His sermon-because that’s what it was-was from Isaiah, Chapter One. “Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate as overthrown by strangers.”
Adam Flint, author of "Mona," on Amazon.
I would not disparage old novela, Kim, I love The Memory of Whiteness. However, as Kim explained, the California and Capitol trilogies are flawed, and I agree with that. Nobody is perfet, and I love most of Kim's storytelling.