You could see it as all Lloyd’s fault but it still dose not chance the fact that the overlords plan was already set in motion with Garmadon and Lloyd from birth was destined to be the green ninja
If there's anyone to blame, it's the Overlord. He made the great devourer. He's responsible for Garmadon's corruption, which eventually inspired little Lloyd to be like him and release the serpentine.
Between Wu, Lloyd, and Garmadon, that family has a knack to stir trouble for ninjago. The first spinjitsu master created the world we know and love only for his descendants to level it every few years.
@@megalodon3655 I mean context matters to if I heard that the biggest threat in the whole world was back, and was rushing and ready to fight, and then saw a 9 year old stealing candy, I would probably be a little pissed that we went all this way to deal with a child
2 Minutes!, Thanks for agreeing with my theory, Krux + Acronix will still exist, but without vermillion eggs, so they barely will have a army. Without Lloyd they wouldn't probably be that popular (because less defeated enemies), so they would not get invited to Shintaro, so slavery is still present, crystalized won't happen too
Well, yes, Lloyd opened the Serpentine tombs, but he did so wanting to be evil like his father (like Kylo Ren wanting to be like Darth Vader), who turned evil not just because of the Overlord via the Great Devourer, but because Wu dropped his katana. So all of this is really Wu's fault.
Pilots: Happening RotS: Directly no. LotGN: no Stone Army reawakening. When Garmadon returns, will he get the Golden Weapons of Spinjitzu? Will he find the Dark Island? For the sake of argument, let's say no, but there is still a Final Battle-ish, curing Garmadon (just because things will get too unpredictable otherwise). Rebooted: No Overlord Virus ToE: no Zane to rescue Possession: Garmadon is not banished, Morro is not released Skybound: Djinjago is not destroyed Dark Island Trilogy: Clouse is still on Chen's Island DotD: Cole is not a ghost, and does not confront Yang HoT: no Vermilion Army, and just for fun, let's assume Wu, Garmadon and Krux all return to the Monastery to meet Acronix. Not sure how this turns out. SoG: Harumi is good, and there is no evil Garmadon to release anyway. Hunted: Nope. MotO: Without Garmadon defeated, the Oni stay away (or lets say so) SotFS: As a redditor said, Garmadon would never let the ninja lay down their guard like they did. No questing, and Aspheera is not released. PE: happens MoM: Harumi does not buy Vengestone, but Vangelis still has the Skull of Hazzah'Dur. Without their fame, the ninja are not invited. The Island: happens Seabound: happens Crystalized: The Overlord is still trapped at the Dark Island Dragons Rising: How and why did [spoilers] cause the Merge, and who is Ras' master?
Technically it ain’t rly his fault. The serpentine would’ve eventually been released by a bigger evil even if it weren’t Lloyd,. Leading to all the other domino effects being done by someone else aswell. Since we know ninjago always has a big bad, and if Lloyd didn’t release the serpentine, someone more worse would have imposed a bigger problem
4:06: I don't know about Aspheera. She was released by the ninja themselves. Granted, it was only by Jay and Nya, but I don't think she would've been freed anyways if the ninja never defeated the Oni.
Ye but that would’ve never happened if Lloyd didn’t open the tomb cause No tomb means No season 1 no season 1 means no Mega Weapon no Mega Weapon means no first half of season 2 no first half of season 2 no second half of season 2 no season 2 no Overlord crossing over to Ninjago no Overlord in Ninjago no season 3 no season 3 no dead Zane no Zane no Season 4 no Season 4 means no portal to the Cursed realm no portal to the cursed realm no Morro escaping no Morro means no Season 5 season 6 didn’t even happen so season 7 would still happen but it would’ve played out different seasons 8 and 9 wouldn’t happen because no season 1 events season 10 was going to happen Season 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 wouldn’t happen and dragons rising merge isn’t explained yet so we can’t know if that would happen
Idk loyd was a kid then. He wants his mistakes to be prevented, but if it did it he would never become green ninja also explains garmadon wanting to do it in season 2
The fact that only season 7 wasn’t Lloyd’s fault 💀. Imagine if Lloyd didn’t release the hypnobri, the show would’ve had lesser seasons. Edit: the vermilion are the devourer’s children so technically Lloyd also caused this season as well💀💀💀🙏🏻 technically Lloyd caused the willfilm season lmao
@LloydMontgomeryGar12 it wasn't your father's fault neither your uncle's fault it was the overlord's fault if he didn't use the great devoured to bite your father's hand none of them happened
Garmadon is the one who left a bad example for him, and the reason Garmadon left a bad example is because he was bitten by the devourer, and the devourer’s evil venom was caused by the Overlord
I’d blame the scientist guy who built pixsal idk how to spell his name because idk if they every said anything to go against the show but he did say he should of never built where the overlord was beat because the final battle was supposed to stop all evil but since he built there it makes me think the overlord had enough energy with all the technology to come back breaking the prohecy and letting everything else evil happen since he grows with evil I would assume while he was gone and to weak to come back nothing could of happened
Cyrus Borg was not fully responsible for The Overlord returning. Even if it wasn’t for him building his tower on the site of the final battle where the ashes of the Overlord infected the system, I think something else would’ve brought The Overlord back eventually just through a different manner and quite a bit longer than before
@@samsonjoshua1700 true maybe to stop all evil they would of had to stopped absolutely everyone like chin the time twins nadakon and everyone else who already existed and was already bad and maybe that would of been enough for him to return
Harumi not knowing Lloyd caused the devourer was a HUGE missed opportunity. It would've been so juicy for Harumi to blame him directly cuz of it and make him feel horrible guilt about it all over again. It's exactly the kind of thing she'd do. And yet that connection is never canonically mentioned by anyone
It was the Overlord that set off a chain of events in motion throughout every season, special, minisode, comic, and novel of the show because he possessed and corrupted the great Devourer.
Well in s3 the people of Ninjago putting too much faith in technology allowing the Overlord to return (they caused s3-DotD), plus in s10 the oni were gonna invade all realms anyway
King vangelis is caused because of lloyd because the ninja would not be famous and not get invited and the ninja released asphfera or snake woman witch means zane would not be lost in ice chapter so ya
The Overlord set everything in motion before the events of season 1 bro. The Overlord possessed the Great Devourer, in turn biting garmadon eventually making him the perfect vessel for the Overlords first return, which also influenced Lloyd becuase of his fathers evil nature, therefore setting in motion ALL of the events in Ninjago history! I don’t think people realize how insanely powerful and smart and dangerous of a villain that the Overlord is until the final reveal at the ends of Crystalized, and rewatch the series with those new set of eyes
This is a very important point in a fan fiction I made between a cross over between Ninjago and Kung Fu Panda which will take place just after KFP 3 and in between Ninjago’s Season 9-10 . Throughout it, Lloyd feels like he was responsible for everything like you said but it was a conversation with Po who tells him to try and brighten the situation and let go of the past as Po had done in KFP 2 and he tells Lloyd to think about all the good he’s done to make up for it. The other ninja tell Lloyd similar things to Po in the beginning of this what if crossover but Lloyd brushes the comments saying that he has “ gave lifelong nightmares to lots of people ” but when he hears it through Po and Master Shifu who would chime in at the conversation as Po and Lloyd look out at the stars in one scene, he starts to understand what they mean.
Remember when Lloyd asked Jay about how he blames Zane for not Warning him about opening a Cursed Tomb without checking it? Yeah... You Did The Same Thing too Lloyd... One Tomb in particular turned Jay's Step Parents into Snakes...
@@Appmonvert ye why send a kid to a school where they are? Bad makes no sense that’s why Lloyd wanted to be like Garone because he went to a school where you had to be naughty doesn’t make sense Lloyd have gone to a school for great children like learn how to be good then and you never opened anything
If you think about it, Master of the Mountain is also Lloyds fault, because the Ninja were invited because of their fame reaching the princess, so if most of the events that made them famous happened because of Lloyd, Master of the Mountain would also be his fault.
What should’ve happened in season 1 episode 1 of ninjago after Lloyd was “terrorizing” the town to give him candy the ninja should’ve just taken him back to the monastery where Wu would train him to be a better person
And yes, as somewhat say, the overlord had already corrupted Lord Garmadon by using the great devour to do so so the overlord being released would’ve happened with or without Lloyd’s actions along with Lord garmadon would’ve returned as well from the realm of madness
Many of that may have been directly Lloyd, but I think Master Chen would’ve still been trying to steal the elemental powers with or without capturing Zane to lure the ninja and the oni returning would happen either either way regardless
I see it, but this just doesn't warp my perception of Lloyd. This guy is an idol to me (not just him but many fictional characters) but not in the way he was as a kid, and now the Masters Of Spinjtzu series' events have finished it's very wild to see that Lloyd had caused all this but i don't mind all of those experiences he has been through has tought him not to poke his nose in where it doesn't belong.
Garmadon might not have stayed in ninjago, and even if he did, he would never have found soto's book in the destinys bounty to find the dark island and the overlord could not be freed. Nor would Nadakhan have any reason for revenge, would not have found the empire crystal but in the first place he would not have been freed by Clouse, who would probably still be on the island.
though when you think about it it was always the overlords fault. this is because Lloyd only opened the tomb because he was trying to be evil and he was only trying to be evil because of lord garmadon and lord garmadon was only evil because the overlord corrupted the grate devourer
both are objectivly true but the overlord misako and the first spinjitzu master and lloyd are evenly in the wrong depending on where you choose to start the blame game.
Lloyd didn't know any of that would happen not to mention his parents weren't in his life for a really long time since Garmadon was trapped in that dark place and Misako was trying to prevent the prophecy from happening so it makes sense that Lloyd was a very misguided kid and besides he's done a lot more good stuff than bad stuff and the Overlord probably would have come back anyway.
Funny, I was thinking about this earlier today. Part of me would be pissed off, but if Lloyd didn't free the Serpentine, we wouldn't have all these awesome Ninjago stories to be told!
Also s5 wouldn't happen cuz gamadon wouldn't open the cursed realm and morrow wouldn't escape so that means clouse wouldn't escape the preeminent and nadhakan would be released
Lloyd actually saved ninjago, had he not unleashed the serpentine tribes, the great devorer wouldve never been unleashed, meaning harumi wouldve never been a villan, meaning emperor garmadon would never be ressuructed, which leads to the oni taking over ninjago and all the realms as emperor garmadon was the only one holding the oni back from evading and was the backbone of defeating the oni.
Imagine the Source Dragon Of Balance’s death was caused by one of these or by a villain let go because of the merge caused by Wu, which was maybe made by Lloyd or forced by Lloyd.
lloyd was a child still, misguided riased in darkly abandoned by his mom his dad isnt a good figure to look up to and even if lloyd didn't do anything overlord planned it all
1:54 I don’t get Harumi being upset at the Ninja mainly Lloyd for what happened to her parents considering they were kids at the time. Completely unrelated but why Lloyd never got his golden powers back and what happened to Airjitsu, why did Misako only used Spinjitzu once, what happened to the original elemental master of smoke
I knda want to see a sort of It's a Wonderful Life story where Lloyd wishes he didn't become the Green Ninja. Even if it is to see how events would unfold very differently.
If lloyd never released the serpentine then the overlord would come eventually since it was destiny and then kill lloyd which in turn means that the time twins would never come back for revenge and when the oni eventually come to the realm a battle would happen which wouldnt affect ninjago much as they both would destroy everything and finally when the merge happens EVERYTHING WOULD BE EITHER DESTROYED OR CURROPTED BY THE ONI. so THANK YOU LLOYD
Oh, come on. All of Ninjago's conflicts happened because of The Overlord corrupted the Great devour back when it was a little viper, and then he turned it against Garmadon. All of this happened because of the Overlord.
well there is no offical place one can start the blame i could start the blame at the First spinjitzu master for creating ninjago becuase if he hadnt lloyd wouldnt have released the snakes.
I wouldn't say Possession was Lloyd's fault it was say Wu and Morro Edit: I forgot the end of season 4 with Lloyd banishing Garmadon leading to Morro's escape
Maybe that's why Lloyd's original green ninja suit has an Ouroboros serpent on his back, implying it all comes full circle
I like that
You could see it as all Lloyd’s fault but it still dose not chance the fact that the overlords plan was already set in motion with Garmadon and Lloyd from birth was destined to be the green ninja
so its the Overlord's fault
@@hazzard_destroyer Especially because it was all set off by the Overlord's bite of Garmadon. This is why he wasn't there to look after Lloyd either.
Facts
I'd blame misako for being a bad mother. Lloyd was just a misguided child.
True
Same Lloyd was so unlucky
She is the reason why her husband had to go to cursed realm, she is the reason which made s1 s3 s4 s5 s6 s8 s9 ( maybe s13) s16
@d1nq887 And she even try to flirt with Wu.
I blame the oni and dragons from the first realm
If there's anyone to blame, it's the Overlord. He made the great devourer. He's responsible for Garmadon's corruption, which eventually inspired little Lloyd to be like him and release the serpentine.
well i mean yeah the overlord is a final villain so it’s natural for him to be behind most of the conflict in the story
@@muhanaveed1999 not most, he quite literally was behind all of the conflict prior to Dragons Rising
i agree
@@xxmension04xx47 yeah ig
Between Wu, Lloyd, and Garmadon, that family has a knack to stir trouble for ninjago. The first spinjitsu master created the world we know and love only for his descendants to level it every few years.
LMFAOO
In the words of the classmates from the Lego Ninjago Movie: "Thanks, Lloyd!"
Its you!
Lloyd*sarcastically*You're welcome
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@@ninjagoistheGOAT Yes, Lord Sidious
I thought everyone already knew this? Lloyd rlly was the cause of the entire show
Harmui became parentless because Lloyd wanted Candy like bruh
@@daxmoney5011 He was kid.
@ I know, but still is funny and sad at the same time, that all of this was caused by a kid who wanted candy
@@daxmoney5011in a way it was the four ninja fault they treated Lloyd like poop and that lead him to unleash the serpentine.
@@megalodon3655 I mean context matters to if I heard that the biggest threat in the whole world was back, and was rushing and ready to fight, and then saw a 9 year old stealing candy, I would probably be a little pissed that we went all this way to deal with a child
@@Appmonvertmurders someone:
you: he’s just a kid 🙄
I know probably some people have already commented this but...
What did Misako think was gonna happen leaving a young child at a school for bad boy
I also wonder why
Let’s not forget. Lloyd is the whole reason why this show exists.
2 Minutes!, Thanks for agreeing with my theory, Krux + Acronix will still exist, but without vermillion eggs, so they barely will have a army. Without Lloyd they wouldn't probably be that popular (because less defeated enemies), so they would not get invited to Shintaro, so slavery is still present, crystalized won't happen too
actually it was overlord's fault because he corrupted the great devourer to bit garmadon.
You could thank Lloyd though because the ninja got better and if he didn’t the ninja probably wouldn’t have defeated the time twins
Well it's more Misako's fault since she left Lloyd
True
Actually it was more Garmadon's fault since he sent him to the school for bad boys
True
@@BlankPictures-1 how. It was misako who sent Lloyd there. Garmadon was in the underworld at that point
@@BlankPictures-1 Garmadon did nothing he was sent to the Underworld.
a can of worms that never closed
Well, yes, Lloyd opened the Serpentine tombs, but he did so wanting to be evil like his father (like Kylo Ren wanting to be like Darth Vader), who turned evil not just because of the Overlord via the Great Devourer, but because Wu dropped his katana. So all of this is really Wu's fault.
Pilots: Happening
RotS: Directly no.
LotGN: no Stone Army reawakening. When Garmadon returns, will he get the Golden Weapons of Spinjitzu? Will he find the Dark Island?
For the sake of argument, let's say no, but there is still a Final Battle-ish, curing Garmadon (just because things will get too unpredictable otherwise).
Rebooted: No Overlord Virus
ToE: no Zane to rescue
Possession: Garmadon is not banished, Morro is not released
Skybound: Djinjago is not destroyed
Dark Island Trilogy: Clouse is still on Chen's Island
DotD: Cole is not a ghost, and does not confront Yang
HoT: no Vermilion Army, and just for fun, let's assume Wu, Garmadon and Krux all return to the Monastery to meet Acronix. Not sure how this turns out.
SoG: Harumi is good, and there is no evil Garmadon to release anyway.
Hunted: Nope.
MotO: Without Garmadon defeated, the Oni stay away (or lets say so)
SotFS: As a redditor said, Garmadon would never let the ninja lay down their guard like they did. No questing, and Aspheera is not released.
PE: happens
MoM: Harumi does not buy Vengestone, but Vangelis still has the Skull of Hazzah'Dur. Without their fame, the ninja are not invited.
The Island: happens
Seabound: happens
Crystalized: The Overlord is still trapped at the Dark Island
Dragons Rising: How and why did [spoilers] cause the Merge, and who is Ras' master?
Technically it ain’t rly his fault. The serpentine would’ve eventually been released by a bigger evil even if it weren’t Lloyd,. Leading to all the other domino effects being done by someone else aswell. Since we know ninjago always has a big bad, and if Lloyd didn’t release the serpentine, someone more worse would have imposed a bigger problem
Yep
Well technically isn’t it the fault of the ninja for not taking care of Lloyd properly the first time the real cause of everything?
True, they said so themselves at the end of the first episode of season 1
The delicate circle of fate that the FSM began when he fathered two sons. Ouroboros is Ninjago's core.
4:06: I don't know about Aspheera. She was released by the ninja themselves. Granted, it was only by Jay and Nya, but I don't think she would've been freed anyways if the ninja never defeated the Oni.
Ye but that would’ve never happened if Lloyd didn’t open the tomb cause No tomb means No season 1 no season 1 means no Mega Weapon no Mega Weapon means no first half of season 2 no first half of season 2 no second half of season 2 no season 2 no Overlord crossing over to Ninjago no Overlord in Ninjago no season 3 no season 3 no dead Zane no Zane no Season 4 no Season 4 means no portal to the Cursed realm no portal to the cursed realm no Morro escaping no Morro means no Season 5 season 6 didn’t even happen so season 7 would still happen but it would’ve played out different seasons 8 and 9 wouldn’t happen because no season 1 events season 10 was going to happen Season 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 wouldn’t happen and dragons rising merge isn’t explained yet so we can’t know if that would happen
When Tanner says that he will talk to us again very very soon he isn't lying. He will probably upload a video in like 30 mins from now
To be fair I think all of those events were all meant to happen because it was destined for all of them to happen
Idk loyd was a kid then. He wants his mistakes to be prevented, but if it did it he would never become green ninja also explains garmadon wanting to do it in season 2
True and it was Misako's fault to abandon her own son in a boarding school for terrible children.
@@Appmonvertyes and she wasn’t even aware that the school kicked him out
@NinjagoFan_Vania True
@@NinjagoFan_Vaniahe didn’t get kicked out he just left
@@Lloydproductions4171 No he told pythor that they kicked him out bc he wasn’t evil enough
The fact that only season 7 wasn’t Lloyd’s fault 💀. Imagine if Lloyd didn’t release the hypnobri, the show would’ve had lesser seasons.
Edit: the vermilion are the devourer’s children so technically Lloyd also caused this season as well💀💀💀🙏🏻 technically Lloyd caused the willfilm season lmao
Season 7 also as without lloyd opening the serpentine the monestary would not be burned and the ninja would be in the monestary when acronix came
@ wait I just realized that the vermilion are the children of the devourer and Lloyd freed pythor which he then freed the devourer💀💀💀💀
@@Radin-ProductionsLOOL
But without Lloyd the serpenteen wouldn't have a peace and freedom with the world again so it means he did a good thing
All because Llyod wanted candy 😂😂😂
Yes is my fault....
Is for What Everyone hate me...
It is not your fault Lloyd is your mother's fault if she didn't abandon you none of this happened
@Alilou279 yeah....
But if my Father he never become evil.
I never caused the mistake
@LloydMontgomeryGar12 it wasn't your father's fault neither your uncle's fault it was the overlord's fault if he didn't use the great devoured to bite your father's hand none of them happened
@Alilou279 y- yeah you right
@@Alilou279 or if the first spinjitzu hadnt created ninjago none of the mistakes would have happened either so...
Garmadon is the one who left a bad example for him, and the reason Garmadon left a bad example is because he was bitten by the devourer, and the devourer’s evil venom was caused by the Overlord
I’d blame the scientist guy who built pixsal idk how to spell his name because idk if they every said anything to go against the show but he did say he should of never built where the overlord was beat because the final battle was supposed to stop all evil but since he built there it makes me think the overlord had enough energy with all the technology to come back breaking the prohecy and letting everything else evil happen since he grows with evil I would assume while he was gone and to weak to come back nothing could of happened
Cyrus Borg was not fully responsible for The Overlord returning. Even if it wasn’t for him building his tower on the site of the final battle where the ashes of the Overlord infected the system, I think something else would’ve brought The Overlord back eventually just through a different manner and quite a bit longer than before
@@samsonjoshua1700 true maybe to stop all evil they would of had to stopped absolutely everyone like chin the time twins nadakon and everyone else who already existed and was already bad and maybe that would of been enough for him to return
Harumi not knowing Lloyd caused the devourer was a HUGE missed opportunity. It would've been so juicy for Harumi to blame him directly cuz of it and make him feel horrible guilt about it all over again. It's exactly the kind of thing she'd do. And yet that connection is never canonically mentioned by anyone
It was the Overlord that set off a chain of events in motion throughout every season, special, minisode, comic, and novel of the show because he possessed and corrupted the great Devourer.
All that is wu's fault he could have taken lloyd and teach him to be good, but he just made the ninja defeat him. Lloyd just needed a good influence
It was just his start of the brain development when younger children make mistakes & risk not knowing they are doing
Imagine if the ninja realized this, and the rest of the ninja team up against Lloyd
I sometimes forget this all happened cuz he opened the tombs
the overlord is technically the reason for lloyd's existence
This is nice example of butterfly effect. Very small think can have HUGE impact on the future.
Well in s3 the people of Ninjago putting too much faith in technology allowing the Overlord to return (they caused s3-DotD), plus in s10 the oni were gonna invade all realms anyway
King vangelis is caused because of lloyd because the ninja would not be famous and not get invited and the ninja released asphfera or snake woman witch means zane would not be lost in ice chapter so ya
The Overlord set everything in motion before the events of season 1 bro. The Overlord possessed the Great Devourer, in turn biting garmadon eventually making him the perfect vessel for the Overlords first return, which also influenced Lloyd becuase of his fathers evil nature, therefore setting in motion ALL of the events in Ninjago history! I don’t think people realize how insanely powerful and smart and dangerous of a villain that the Overlord is until the final reveal at the ends of Crystalized, and rewatch the series with those new set of eyes
bro just explained almost the whole show other than season 7 and 11-16 in 5 minutes.......
This is a very important point in a fan fiction I made between a cross over between Ninjago and Kung Fu Panda which will take place just after KFP 3 and in between Ninjago’s Season 9-10 . Throughout it, Lloyd feels like he was responsible for everything like you said but it was a conversation with Po who tells him to try and brighten the situation and let go of the past as Po had done in KFP 2 and he tells Lloyd to think about all the good he’s done to make up for it. The other ninja tell Lloyd similar things to Po in the beginning of this what if crossover but Lloyd brushes the comments saying that he has “ gave lifelong nightmares to lots of people ” but when he hears it through Po and Master Shifu who would chime in at the conversation as Po and Lloyd look out at the stars in one scene, he starts to understand what they mean.
Remember when Lloyd asked Jay about how he blames Zane for not Warning him about opening a Cursed Tomb without checking it?
Yeah... You Did The Same Thing too Lloyd... One Tomb in particular turned Jay's Step Parents into Snakes...
Who knows, maybe Lloyd releasing the Hypnobrai changed the very fabric of reality and lead to every event in the series happening.
but that thing happened on DOTD was alone Cole´s Fault but yeah its crazy to think that :O
"Cut the green guy some slack"
- Griffin Turner
But yes Lloyd has gotta be the ancher being
And Lloyd calls his father evil yet Wu and Lloyd cause more damage than he did
FUN FACT!: if the ninja didn't hang Lloyd from a roof, most of Ninjago wouldn't have happened.
It's also Misako fault.
@@Appmonverthow
@Maxers12o For sending Lloyd to Darkley.
@@Appmonvert ye why send a kid to a school where they are? Bad makes no sense that’s why Lloyd wanted to be like Garone because he went to a school where you had to be naughty doesn’t make sense Lloyd have gone to a school for great children like learn how to be good then and you never opened anything
Also Sensei Wu's fault
If you think about it, Master of the Mountain is also Lloyds fault, because the Ninja were invited because of their fame reaching the princess, so if most of the events that made them famous happened because of Lloyd, Master of the Mountain would also be his fault.
King Vangelis also would not have needed vengestone from the Geckles and Munce without Harumi.
All of the Hardships the ninja had faced was by the overlords designed.
I'd blame Garmadon but it was the kids choice.
S7, S10 - DR are the only seasons for Lloyd to not cause any chaos
That's why some fans said Lloyd IS Ninjago 😅
Don't worry, my little Lloyd 🥺, everyone makes mistakes 😣 you still my fav 😤
lloyds the best
@@TomTheCat29no he’s not he’s such an idiot!
it is the overlords fault for the snake that bit Garmadons hand and none of is Lloyds fault
If we want to get this complicated it’s still the Overlords fault he possessed the Devourer to bite Garmadon causing Lloyd to unleash the Serpentine
Well, Wu and the ninja waited very long before getting Lloyd, who was roaming on his own. Somehow lessons had priority over getting Lloyd...
Yeah i sort of did think of it but if he never released the serpentine none of this would of happened anyways
all this happened just because little lloyd wanted someone to steal candies with
What should’ve happened in season 1 episode 1 of ninjago after Lloyd was “terrorizing” the town to give him candy the ninja should’ve just taken him back to the monastery where Wu would train him to be a better person
And yes, as somewhat say, the overlord had already corrupted Lord Garmadon by using the great devour to do so so the overlord being released would’ve happened with or without Lloyd’s actions along with Lord garmadon would’ve returned as well from the realm of madness
I think it’s still more of the overlord fault as if the great devour didn’t bite him he may have stayed good and wouldn’t interfere with the letter
Many of that may have been directly Lloyd, but I think Master Chen would’ve still been trying to steal the elemental powers with or without capturing Zane to lure the ninja and the oni returning would happen either either way regardless
I see it, but this just doesn't warp my perception of Lloyd. This guy is an idol to me (not just him but many fictional characters) but not in the way he was as a kid, and now the Masters Of Spinjtzu series' events have finished it's very wild to see that Lloyd had caused all this but i don't mind all of those experiences he has been through has tought him not to poke his nose in where it doesn't belong.
@@T.N.M.-2005. Yep same
1:43 now that you mention it, does Harumi knows that Pythor unleashed the great devourer
was actually the overlords fault as was part of his plans
Garmadon might not have stayed in ninjago, and even if he did, he would never have found soto's book in the destinys bounty to find the dark island and the overlord could not be freed.
Nor would Nadakhan have any reason for revenge, would not have found the empire crystal but in the first place he would not have been freed by Clouse, who would probably still be on the island.
though when you think about it it was always the overlords fault. this is because Lloyd only opened the tomb because he was trying to be evil and he was only trying to be evil because of lord garmadon and lord garmadon was only evil because the overlord corrupted the grate devourer
All of this is the overlords fault because he's the one who corrupted the great devourer to begin with
And all of the main baddies of the show are just pawns to his grand plan and his great return.
both are objectivly true but the overlord misako and the first spinjitzu master and lloyd are evenly in the wrong depending on where you choose to start the blame game.
it’s all the overlord’s fault for biting Garmadon which led his son to be like him
Lloyd didn't know any of that would happen not to mention his parents weren't in his life for a really long time since Garmadon was trapped in that dark place and Misako was trying to prevent the prophecy from happening so it makes sense that Lloyd was a very misguided kid and besides he's done a lot more good stuff than bad stuff and the Overlord probably would have come back anyway.
Lloyd was just stupid then
Lloyd literally created the entire show to happen...
Bro created more villains than Iron Man
i fine lloyd is responsible for harumi parents death cause if he didnt have release the snakes her parents would still be alive
That's just good writing NGL. Kudos to the writers.
Funny, I was thinking about this earlier today. Part of me would be pissed off, but if Lloyd didn't free the Serpentine, we wouldn't have all these awesome Ninjago stories to be told!
Had Lloyd remained a villain, he arguably would've been the overarching antagonist for the whole series.
Oh that's just 🥶
Also s5 wouldn't happen cuz gamadon wouldn't open the cursed realm and morrow wouldn't escape so that means clouse wouldn't escape the preeminent and nadhakan would be released
Lloyd actually saved ninjago, had he not unleashed the serpentine tribes, the great devorer wouldve never been unleashed, meaning harumi wouldve never been a villan, meaning emperor garmadon would never be ressuructed, which leads to the oni taking over ninjago and all the realms as emperor garmadon was the only one holding the oni back from evading and was the backbone of defeating the oni.
Imagine the Source Dragon Of Balance’s death was caused by one of these or by a villain let go because of the merge caused by Wu, which was maybe made by Lloyd or forced by Lloyd.
Misako to blame for all that being a bad mom
holy shit lloyd is indirectly a mass murderer
lloyd was a child still, misguided riased in darkly abandoned by his mom his dad isnt a good figure to look up to
and even if lloyd didn't do anything overlord planned it all
1:54 I don’t get Harumi being upset at the Ninja mainly Lloyd for what happened to her parents considering they were kids at the time.
Completely unrelated but why Lloyd never got his golden powers back and what happened to Airjitsu, why did Misako only used Spinjitzu once, what happened to the original elemental master of smoke
Misako is the real villan of Ninjago
I knda want to see a sort of It's a Wonderful Life story where Lloyd wishes he didn't become the Green Ninja. Even if it is to see how events would unfold very differently.
i LOVE that movie so much!
He sure is garmadons child
I completely blame misako tho, worst parent ever
it isnt all lloyds fault
If lloyd never released the serpentine then the overlord would come eventually since it was destiny and then kill lloyd which in turn means that the time twins would never come back for revenge and when the oni eventually come to the realm a battle would happen which wouldnt affect ninjago much as they both would destroy everything and finally when the merge happens EVERYTHING WOULD BE EITHER DESTROYED OR CURROPTED BY THE ONI. so THANK YOU LLOYD
I actually thank Lloyd for unleashing the serpentine because if he didn't, Ninjago would be just an episode
Oh, come on. All of Ninjago's conflicts happened because of The Overlord corrupted the Great devour back when it was a little viper, and then he turned it against Garmadon.
All of this happened because of the Overlord.
its not lloyds fault for all the aftermath cause there is no offical place to start the blame you can basically start anywere. so true
And I hate how he was just excused... The common trope of shows are "I WAs JuSt a DuMb KiD!"
That's the case.
Oh i am a dumb kid for you really ?
@@LloydMontgomeryGarm18 No
@@LloydMontgomeryGarm18 lloyd is the best!
well there is no offical place one can start the blame i could start the blame at the First spinjitzu master for creating ninjago becuase if he hadnt lloyd wouldnt have released the snakes.
And Garmdon ended up on the iland of the overlord thanks to the serpentine throwing him out
I wouldn't say Possession was Lloyd's fault it was say Wu and Morro
Edit: I forgot the end of season 4 with Lloyd banishing Garmadon leading to Morro's escape
But Lloyd was the one to banish Garmadon to the cursed realm which in turn gives Morro a chance to escape, and he was a host for Morro to possess
@KTWhatsup oh yeah you're completely right my bad
Misako, *YOU’RE A TERRIBLE MOTHER!!!!!!!*