I’m out in my backyard right now building a mountain bike trail I got the notification for this video and decided it was time to take a break and watch it
I've learned two important things from this video. One. Your kids had one HELL of a Christmas! Two. You describing the suspension setup to your son is very similar to when Paul the Punter tries to explain it to me. 😂
Haha yes they did have a big Christmas! Suspension tuning... haha that's a tough one to explain in a quick video, but I did my best keeping it high level! Hope to ride with you next time we hang out!
Glad this video helped you! Keep riding and improving, more time on the bike gets you more confidence, then everything gets more fun! Have a great day!
Hey I wanted to add a suggestion. I am a shorter rider and my dropper was a bit tall for me. I came up with a hack using a couple of zip ties from the seat clamp to the seat as a limiting strap to keep the post from extending all the way, now it works great and doesn’t extend too high!
Yeah, when I was younger I used a piece of string to hold the dropper a the right height. I tied it to the seat rails and to the little triangular support on the frame that sits between the top tube and the front of the seat tube on some bikes. I had a Marin B17 but it seems like it would work well on the Release that Owen has.
I might try that. I'm 5'3 and finding a dropper post is not easy. I have one on my Giant Stance, but not my HT Giant Talon. Please see my other post on this video and let me know what you think. Thanks.
I’m 5 foot tall and dropper length has been a challenge. I picked up a 100 mm PNW post and used One up internal shim kit to tune it to the exact length I need (about 90 mm total) Has been homer for two years.
When I saw Seth's video about a dad towing his son along the white line, my first thought was 'I think Milo and Owen are a bit young for that' luckily it wasn't you guys haha awesome to see them progressing!
Haha yeah they were there for that, it's in our next video, you know Milo and Owen had to go see it for themselves! Not ready to take them on it though haha
My son moved from 24 inch to 27.5 at Christmas also. For kids, I use the OneUp dropper post. OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper. But the best part is the 120mm dropper can be adjusted to 100mm. From looking at your video, I believe the 120mm OneUp dropper adjusted to 100mm will work very well for Owen. Also, the SDG Fly seat is low profile for kids which will help a bit more as well as fit better.
That's what I was thinking as well, they are out of stock for now, but when I can track one down I think the OneUp or the new Fox XC dropper post would be the best fit.
Have three boys of my own and had the same issues with dropper posts. Installed OneUp dropper 125 mm that has also a minimal footprint (read: low stack). But more importantly; boys did learn very quickly to use their 'bottom' to limit the upward movement of the saddle. Simple as that! Love to watch your family-oriented videos, Eric!
Maybe your smaller kid can use the dropper post, using zip ties to stop the full travel of the post. Zip ties between the saddle and the dropper clamp can solve the problem. I used this method for my kids and it was great, because you can increase the travel, when they are growing. Hope, it helps! Greetings from Germany.
I don't know if you don't want to do it, but you can tie a cable at the back of the saddle and in the seatpost collar and set the maximum height that the seatpost can go. I did it for my son's bike and it works perfect ! Cheers !
Skate hipster Milo and skate punker Owen is the kind of character arc I was always hoping for on Porter MTB. They'll never truly fully understand how rad their dad is! That's a lotta personality under one roof...
Yeah not too many good bikes in this size, really happy that DB made it! They actually have them in stock right now too! www.diamondback.com/release-4c-4678
Good video Eric, boys look pumped with the new bikes and Owen seems to be a climbing master, bet going from 24" to 650B is a mega help there, props to what he used to achieve on those 24"s. Looking forward to seeing some more stuff from Sedona and the boys ripping - the footage of them jumping on the new FSs and throwing some good style was impressive, bikes have definitely given them a boost. Pity that there's no real off the shelf suspension parts designed/valved for kids, although going from a HT to FS, any sort of travel in back is going to give them some added traction in the rough stuff. Glad you touched on tyre pressure with Owen, didn't discuss Milo's or what you run in your tyres relative, which would have been cool - I asked on a Yohan Barelli video with one of the kids he's mentoring that I think might weigh 100lbs wet, how come he would recommend the same pressures as him when he's at least 60-70lbs heavier, but didn't get a response. Also would have been cool to touch on bar width and keeping kids on the right width bar instead of one that's too wide, not somewhere, IMHO to leave "big" for a kid to grow into and a god place to help make a "Bit too big, room to grow into" bike fit just a bit better. Not one to not use all bar width myself, but I know some do, so not sure if that's Milo, but it looked like maybe he could use 10mm off each side of his bar and Owen looked like he might take 15mm on each side. P.S. Know they're not one of your sponsors, but you could pick up a PNW 125mm Rainer Gen3 dropper and drop it to 100mm and think that by Fall Owen might be able to use it. Alternatively, you could always just don't extend the dropper all the way back up when Owen's riding, so he at least has instant ability to drop it, then just have to take time to get it back to the right height.
Thanks! The bikes definitely made a big difference, even though they aren't using full travel! Tire pressure helped a lot, Milo is closer to 20psi because he is smashing harder and weighs 100lbs. I think if I messed with the valving I could get away with lower fork/shock pressure, but I don't think I will. For Owen I'm going to check all the specs on droppers to see if there's anything that could work, the Fox Transfer SL comes in short travel options, as well as the OneUp that's coming out this summer in 100mm travel. On bar width, I decided to let them run this to see how it works and then trim as necesary, don't want them too wide.
Having been on a rigid now almost exclusively for a couple years and now getting back on the FS, it definitely does make life a lot easier, don't need to spend as much time standing as on the rigid being the suspension. Which version and what tyres is he and Owen running and rim width? I'd figure at their weights, they could easily go down into the realm of what for us would be PLUS tyre type pressures - Owen 12-14 and Milo 14-18. Not smashing super hard, but with my 2.6" on i35 rims, I can be down in as low as 12F/15R for slower tech stuff and 13-14F/16-18R for faster stuff with harder hits on Schwalbe ADDIX SpeedGrip HD/NN combo, I'm about 175-185 geared and that's on a steel rigid. There's quite a few short/XC travel droppers out there, but I suggested the PNW because while it only comes as low as 125mm, you can still drop it 25mm, in 5mm increments to get it to 100mm and it kind of looked like Owen has close to 4" of exposed seatpost, so still a tad short, but, figured if he could hang a bit and start with something like a 125mm reduced in travel and then maybe not fully extended until he can use the full100mm he'd then have a post to grow in to some more and not be needing a longer one anytime soon. Another option/trick is which saddle you use, even between difference version of the same model in a brand you can have different rail to top of saddle measurements - just found this out when I was trying a resurrected dropper and didn't want to pull my good WTB Pure off the fixed post just in case, so installed a lower spec Pure I had on the dropper, difference in rails to top of saddle was about 5mm. Good call on the bars, they didn't look excessively over wide, and gives the boys a chance to properly feel what works or at least watch them riding and see where they are in terms of grip width.
As a new rider , I have to say those children are pretty good at riding down those trails . To make your child that good you need to put a lot of effort works and determination .You are such a good parent mate great job . Probably i will need your kids to service my bike 😂😂😂
Great video! I was impressed especially with Owen smashing the pedals on the climbs on that big 27.5! Can't wait until our kiddo is big enough to start riding with me!
As a short adult (5'3), I know the struggle to find a dropper post. Any suggestions on finding one? I'm riding a 2021 Giant Talon small frame 27.5. I read that I could possibly use a 70mm dropper for kids and use a shiv to account for the tube diameter. I'd love your advice, because unlike Owen, I'm not growing anymore. Does OneUp have anything?
OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper out there, and new even smaller options coming out this summer, I think that's what I'm waiting on, or the new Fox Transfer SL post, it's really light and comes in pretty short options!
I had the same issue when I setup my son's fork. He's grown into it now but it was a bit stiff for a while. They grow fast! BTW, the droppers from Oneup and PNW have adjustable travel if you want to get Owen a dropper.
My son is 11 and has an older aluminum XS Release 1 27.5 with Rockshox suspension (Pike/Monarch Plus). I found there was a big difference in suspension when changing the 2wt suspension oil to 0wt suspension oil at his 90 lb ride weight. Fox parts may be different but could be worth a try before a complete re-valve of the dampers (although maybe you get that for free). Also an 80mm dropper worked perfect for him in the XS frame when he was 55" tall.
Kids bikes are such a challenge b/c of the weight/height issues and then trying to use decent components. I built up a small Kona 26er HT for my 5th grade son and for the fork I grabbed an old RockShox Duke and then ramped up the negative spring pressure to get it to actually move enough for him.
Love the videos guys. Learning lots about setup for our kids. Just bought little kid her first real mountain bike. Big kid gets one in a couple weeks. Good fun stuff.
I hate your kids in the kindest way possible. You are one hell of a dad. My first full sus was at 27 years old aka a few months ago but you are such a awesome dad they got a really bloody bike so young. Much love bro.
Thanks for telling me about competitive cyclists. Im currently building a 26" 2007 Specialized Hardrock sport and an having a hard time finding parts that match my gray and teal vision.
Something you can do regarding the dropper issue with Owen is you could get a shor drop pnw components dropper and adjust the travel with the travel adjuster to make it short enough for him
That's awesome, glad you love the vids!! If it makes you feel any better, when I was growing up I didn't get a full suspension bike till I was 19 years old. Spending more time on a hardtail will make you a better and smoother rider, it'll pay off in the long run!
Eric, I’m a shredder in the Bay Area. I’m currently looking at the Diamondback Release 5C, and it looks sick. It’s a little pricey, and I’m hoping to buy it. Your amazing man. Love your videos! I hope you reply soon. Cheers!
visually looking at the grey bike it looks like they could’ve removed the gusset and shortened the seat tube even more. 388mm seat tube really isn’t that small for an xs. I understand that possibly tire clearance was a factor there. I recommend trying the new oneup dropper for him as they are super short in there stack and can shim it to 70mm.
I am super excited for your kids! We have some friends with little (6yo-10yo) shredders and got to watch first hand there transformation from HT to FS bikes last season. It was a great reminder that MTB is an equipment based sport. I will say DB is missing your typical MTB family market with these bike price points. No way a your average family of 4 is dropping $4k-$5k on a kids bike they will out grow in a couple seasons.
Yeah it does make a difference, although they'd be fine on hardtails longer as well, that's all I had till I was 20, without a dropper too! Pricepoints are tough, they are doing their best but everything has gotten so expensive. They do have the Atroz that starts at about $1k complete, and the Release series starts at $2,500 so those are both more affordable.
ive had my fist bike is was a hartail would you recomend me getting a full suspension 29er because ive ridden one before and 29er fits me would you recomed fullls suspesion 29er?
That's hard to say without seeing it, you might need to take it to your local bike shop to learn how to do it. Unfortunately a lot of 24" forks don't really have many adjustments. Hopefully it's still fun and works well though!
Awesome vid!! I only weigh 100lbs as well. My fork was so low psi that my geometry was suffering because of the sag. Should I just run my fork hard to keep my geometry?
Thanks! Your best bet will be adjusting your front and rear suspension so the sag is as close to where it should be while making sure your rebound adjustment isn't too slow, and then trying to have your front and rear suspension balanced so one isn't way firmer than the other. Good luck, it takes som adjusting and testing to get it right!
tie a bit of rope from the triangle brace in the frame to the seat rails, it will limmit its up travel. I have done this when friends borrow my L bike and the dropper is too high!
I'm starting to think about getting my son a new bike. I see your kids have Fox 36's versus a 34. Do you think the difference between those forks would make much of a difference? Not sure if the weight difference really matters.
They definitely don't need a 36 at their weight, but the 34 max travel is 140mm and this is a 150mm travel bike. It's only about a 1/2 pound weight difference so that's not a big deal, and the stiffness of a 36 does keep it from binding so the travel is really nice and smooth. The bikes did come with 36's as well, but if there was a 34 with 150mm travel I'd consider that.
For once, I'm glad I'm not a sponsored rider. My 10 year old looks to be the size of these kids and the YT Jeffsy Primus is an amazing bike for his size. It can handle a dropper and is full suspension. He is on the right size bike until he really is big enough to ride an adult sized bike.
My first “real” mtb was a full squish and I had been on a full rigid my whole life so I know the feeling of switching from a hard tail to a full squish
eric did you ever had any chin accidents when mountain biking ik its the most common accident ive been through tat accident oman luckily my jaw wasnt smashed so do the porters know how to bail?
Hey Porter’s!! Would love to know what trails you all do as a family. We are heading out that way in May, never been, and my wife and I need some not so the white line type stuff.
Hey brother, my daughter is 9, 4'7", 75lbs and growing. Trying to figure out what the best entry level bike is for her. Seems like a 24" is pretty close to too small, but not sure if I want her to navigate the extra derailor upfront of a 26", any suggestions?
That's a tough call for sure, I would try to get her to a bike ship where she can stand over a 24" to see how it fits. I think she might be too small for a XS 27.5" bike right now, but it might be perfect next year. Some companies do make 26" kids bikes too, might be a good fit for a couple years, some you can even start with 24" wheels and then swap them when the time is right for bigger ones.
@@PorterMTB thanks, that’s exactly what we did, and you are right, 24” is a perfect fit and probably will be for 6mos to almost a year. We are on the big island so we will be ordering one as our shops are a little thin on selection for keiki.
Yeah it's tough at that size, make sure to check the inseam and compare to the bike's standover height. More options than ever now thankfully! At 4'3" a 24" might be the best bet for a year, but then you'd be moving up to the bigger wheels.
I am curious. I have a 9 year old that is probably an inch shorter and 5lbs lighter than Owen. He currently has a Trailcraft hardtail 24" that is 22lbs and a Polygon 24" dual suspension that is 28lbs. He only wants to ride the full suspension at "bike parks" because he can really feel the weight difference. How heavy are those bikes? Is that a 36 on the front of that bike? Seems very beefy given the XS frame size. What do they weigh? How do your kids feel moving the extra weight around?
Protip on the droppers - modern gravel bike dropper posts come in all kinds of short lengths. Although they're a bit pricey for kids who growth spurt on you every few months. Much better to zip tie the saddle rails to something fixed to limit the rise to the perfect spot. Then you just cut them off every couple of months as junior grows and replace with slightly longer ones as needed.
26er's full sus (aka slopestyle bikes) are the best imo. If you're a parent who only wants to buy one bike to do it all I think it's the best of all worlds. Small enough to take to the skatepark and plush enough to ride downhill. However they aren't cheap lol
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I’m out in my backyard right now building a mountain bike trail I got the notification for this video and decided it was time to take a break and watch it
That’s awesome! Good call!
Agreed
same! mine is small but its good for learning how to not be scared of falling. im scared of falling.
@@PorterMTB what u get the bikes for free for kissing Seth's ass??
Same! Keep up the practice for sure!
I've learned two important things from this video. One. Your kids had one HELL of a Christmas! Two. You describing the suspension setup to your son is very similar to when Paul the Punter tries to explain it to me. 😂
Haha yes they did have a big Christmas! Suspension tuning... haha that's a tough one to explain in a quick video, but I did my best keeping it high level! Hope to ride with you next time we hang out!
2 ticks! Cool
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You are raising future pro MTB riders for sure! They are so skillful and connected to the bike yet so young.. simply amazing!
Thanks for getting my confidence up
Glad this video helped you! Keep riding and improving, more time on the bike gets you more confidence, then everything gets more fun! Have a great day!
Hey I wanted to add a suggestion. I am a shorter rider and my dropper was a bit tall for me. I came up with a hack using a couple of zip ties from the seat clamp to the seat as a limiting strap to keep the post from extending all the way, now it works great and doesn’t extend too high!
Yeah, when I was younger I used a piece of string to hold the dropper a the right height. I tied it to the seat rails and to the little triangular support on the frame that sits between the top tube and the front of the seat tube on some bikes. I had a Marin B17 but it seems like it would work well on the Release that Owen has.
I might try that. I'm 5'3 and finding a dropper post is not easy. I have one on my Giant Stance, but not my HT Giant Talon. Please see my other post on this video and let me know what you think. Thanks.
That's a great workaround to make it work!
I’m 5 foot tall and dropper length has been a challenge. I picked up a 100 mm PNW post and used One up internal shim kit to tune it to the exact length I need (about 90 mm total) Has been homer for two years.
@Dawson That is true but, the only problem is that it could be hard to get it to be a consistent Hight.
When I saw Seth's video about a dad towing his son along the white line, my first thought was 'I think Milo and Owen are a bit young for that' luckily it wasn't you guys haha awesome to see them progressing!
Haha yeah they were there for that, it's in our next video, you know Milo and Owen had to go see it for themselves! Not ready to take them on it though haha
My son moved from 24 inch to 27.5 at Christmas also.
For kids, I use the OneUp dropper post. OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper. But the best part is the 120mm dropper can be adjusted to 100mm.
From looking at your video, I believe the 120mm OneUp dropper adjusted to 100mm will work very well for Owen.
Also, the SDG Fly seat is low profile for kids which will help a bit more as well as fit better.
That's what I was thinking as well, they are out of stock for now, but when I can track one down I think the OneUp or the new Fox XC dropper post would be the best fit.
Love that when Owen went up those shelf’s, that guy said: “that was ridiculous!” He’s definitely progressing
Lmao that was Seths bike hacks too
@@olliechub7931 really? Cool
I wish I had enough money for a full suspension, but I’m stuck on a hard tail where we don’t have any trail variety and none anywhere nearby
Have three boys of my own and had the same issues with dropper posts. Installed OneUp dropper 125 mm that has also a minimal footprint (read: low stack). But more importantly; boys did learn very quickly to use their 'bottom' to limit the upward movement of the saddle. Simple as that! Love to watch your family-oriented videos, Eric!
I just graduated my 10yr old to an adult sized bike. So great to see them excited about growing up
Maybe your smaller kid can use the dropper post, using zip ties to stop the full travel of the post. Zip ties between the saddle and the dropper clamp can solve the problem. I used this method for my kids and it was great, because you can increase the travel, when they are growing.
Hope, it helps!
Greetings from Germany.
Wow, giving your kids stuff from work? Thanks Dad, lol.. Awesome vid dude.
my son is on an xs frame and it was a game changer for him. I was able to find a low rise dropper for him and he loves it.
Nice, it made such a big difference! I'm gonna look for something that might fit!
Get orange decals on those forks ‼️‼️
I don't know if you don't want to do it, but you can tie a cable at the back of the saddle and in the seatpost collar and set the maximum height that the seatpost can go. I did it for my son's bike and it works perfect ! Cheers !
Nice content guys for your little guy short cranks ie 150 mm would probably allow him to run the short dropper .
Skate hipster Milo and skate punker Owen is the kind of character arc I was always hoping for on Porter MTB. They'll never truly fully understand how rad their dad is! That's a lotta personality under one roof...
Haha you nailed it, it's always interesting around here, lots of laughing!
Still waiting on my 1st dropper. Lol. I seen some people limited the travel of there dropper with a peace of string or elastic.
Hopefully you get one soon, I didn't have one for a long time either!
The biggest flex in life is having a family
Cool trick for centering the handle bar at 3:30, gotta show it to my friend who has a lefty 😜
Cool glasses that Milo has. Really suits him! Owen you rock!
Great Video! do you mind sharing what suspension settings are?
Glad to hear DB is making as XS! My SO is 5'0 and finding a bike for her has been a challenge.
Yeah not too many good bikes in this size, really happy that DB made it! They actually have them in stock right now too! www.diamondback.com/release-4c-4678
Good video Eric, boys look pumped with the new bikes and Owen seems to be a climbing master, bet going from 24" to 650B is a mega help there, props to what he used to achieve on those 24"s. Looking forward to seeing some more stuff from Sedona and the boys ripping - the footage of them jumping on the new FSs and throwing some good style was impressive, bikes have definitely given them a boost.
Pity that there's no real off the shelf suspension parts designed/valved for kids, although going from a HT to FS, any sort of travel in back is going to give them some added traction in the rough stuff.
Glad you touched on tyre pressure with Owen, didn't discuss Milo's or what you run in your tyres relative, which would have been cool - I asked on a Yohan Barelli video with one of the kids he's mentoring that I think might weigh 100lbs wet, how come he would recommend the same pressures as him when he's at least 60-70lbs heavier, but didn't get a response.
Also would have been cool to touch on bar width and keeping kids on the right width bar instead of one that's too wide, not somewhere, IMHO to leave "big" for a kid to grow into and a god place to help make a "Bit too big, room to grow into" bike fit just a bit better. Not one to not use all bar width myself, but I know some do, so not sure if that's Milo, but it looked like maybe he could use 10mm off each side of his bar and Owen looked like he might take 15mm on each side.
P.S. Know they're not one of your sponsors, but you could pick up a PNW 125mm Rainer Gen3 dropper and drop it to 100mm and think that by Fall Owen might be able to use it. Alternatively, you could always just don't extend the dropper all the way back up when Owen's riding, so he at least has instant ability to drop it, then just have to take time to get it back to the right height.
Thanks! The bikes definitely made a big difference, even though they aren't using full travel! Tire pressure helped a lot, Milo is closer to 20psi because he is smashing harder and weighs 100lbs. I think if I messed with the valving I could get away with lower fork/shock pressure, but I don't think I will. For Owen I'm going to check all the specs on droppers to see if there's anything that could work, the Fox Transfer SL comes in short travel options, as well as the OneUp that's coming out this summer in 100mm travel. On bar width, I decided to let them run this to see how it works and then trim as necesary, don't want them too wide.
Having been on a rigid now almost exclusively for a couple years and now getting back on the FS, it definitely does make life a lot easier, don't need to spend as much time standing as on the rigid being the suspension.
Which version and what tyres is he and Owen running and rim width? I'd figure at their weights, they could easily go down into the realm of what for us would be PLUS tyre type pressures - Owen 12-14 and Milo 14-18. Not smashing super hard, but with my 2.6" on i35 rims, I can be down in as low as 12F/15R for slower tech stuff and 13-14F/16-18R for faster stuff with harder hits on Schwalbe ADDIX SpeedGrip HD/NN combo, I'm about 175-185 geared and that's on a steel rigid.
There's quite a few short/XC travel droppers out there, but I suggested the PNW because while it only comes as low as 125mm, you can still drop it 25mm, in 5mm increments to get it to 100mm and it kind of looked like Owen has close to 4" of exposed seatpost, so still a tad short, but, figured if he could hang a bit and start with something like a 125mm reduced in travel and then maybe not fully extended until he can use the full100mm he'd then have a post to grow in to some more and not be needing a longer one anytime soon. Another option/trick is which saddle you use, even between difference version of the same model in a brand you can have different rail to top of saddle measurements - just found this out when I was trying a resurrected dropper and didn't want to pull my good WTB Pure off the fixed post just in case, so installed a lower spec Pure I had on the dropper, difference in rails to top of saddle was about 5mm.
Good call on the bars, they didn't look excessively over wide, and gives the boys a chance to properly feel what works or at least watch them riding and see where they are in terms of grip width.
As a new rider , I have to say those children are pretty good at riding down those trails . To make your child that good you need to put a lot of effort works and determination .You are such a good parent mate great job . Probably i will need your kids to service my bike 😂😂😂
Thanks, it definitely takes patience, but it sure is fun, I'm lucky to have these kids in my life!
Great video! I was impressed especially with Owen smashing the pedals on the climbs on that big 27.5! Can't wait until our kiddo is big enough to start riding with me!
Im 5’2 and i ride a 29er small
Nice!
@porter MTB you guys always make me so psyched to go out and ride keep up the good mtb content you guys are killing it!
Curious, is that a special color way on your older sons Poc helmet? Looks really good.
Nice video! Does OneUp make a dropper small enough for your boy? OneUp has shims which allow you to reduce extension when all the way up.
As a short adult (5'3), I know the struggle to find a dropper post. Any suggestions on finding one? I'm riding a 2021 Giant Talon small frame 27.5. I read that I could possibly use a 70mm dropper for kids and use a shiv to account for the tube diameter. I'd love your advice, because unlike Owen, I'm not growing anymore. Does OneUp have anything?
OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper out there, and new even smaller options coming out this summer, I think that's what I'm waiting on, or the new Fox Transfer SL post, it's really light and comes in pretty short options!
I had the same issue when I setup my son's fork. He's grown into it now but it was a bit stiff for a while. They grow fast! BTW, the droppers from Oneup and PNW have adjustable travel if you want to get Owen a dropper.
Much love 😘❤️
My son is 11 and has an older aluminum XS Release 1 27.5 with Rockshox suspension (Pike/Monarch Plus). I found there was a big difference in suspension when changing the 2wt suspension oil to 0wt suspension oil at his 90 lb ride weight. Fox parts may be different but could be worth a try before a complete re-valve of the dampers (although maybe you get that for free). Also an 80mm dropper worked perfect for him in the XS frame when he was 55" tall.
Kids bikes are such a challenge b/c of the weight/height issues and then trying to use decent components. I built up a small Kona 26er HT for my 5th grade son and for the fork I grabbed an old RockShox Duke and then ramped up the negative spring pressure to get it to actually move enough for him.
Was scrolling through UA-cam right before taking my bike out for a stroll. Its an Aventon SInch from SWFL Golf Carts.
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Love the videos guys. Learning lots about setup for our kids. Just bought little kid her first real mountain bike. Big kid gets one in a couple weeks. Good fun stuff.
That's awesome it helped, hope the kids are loving the new bikes!!
@@PorterMTB yes they certainly are. Can hardly keep the little kid off her bike. Lol she wanted to just keep going and going last night.
@@Aaeolien so cool, that's the best!
@@PorterMTB totally agree. Keep having fun out there. Looking forward to more adventures of our own and more Porter adventures to watch. 😁
I hate your kids in the kindest way possible. You are one hell of a dad. My first full sus was at 27 years old aka a few months ago but you are such a awesome dad they got a really bloody bike so young. Much love bro.
What did his kids do?
Keep up the good work dad! So cool to see their progression.
Imagine having Porter and Seth has a coach! Good job guys and great video
All the cool stuff aside. It it awesome that you spend quality time with your kids. That way you know what going on in there life's
Thanks for telling me about competitive cyclists. Im currently building a 26" 2007 Specialized Hardrock sport and an having a hard time finding parts that match my gray and teal vision.
Dude those bikes are awesome they are now shredding the trails on their new full suspension
I saw milo on his new bike on seth's video on the white line. Great job!
Nice, good eye! Editing a video from our whole trip with Seth, will have it up in the next week or so!
Something you can do regarding the dropper issue with Owen is you could get a shor drop pnw components dropper and adjust the travel with the travel adjuster to make it short enough for him
Do people not hairspray grips anymore? It's that just for us old school park kids?
dont need to with lock on grips
No hairspray needed with lock ons, it's so nice!
is it a wierd fix to fit 165 mm cranks, for the dropper post to "fit" or does it ealready have that
Hmm, might help a bit, but not enough. Luckily he's big enough now for a dropper!
You could just make a restrictor for the dropper. I have one on my bike. Made it out of wire and crimped it.
Yeah that would definitely work, I went this route so it's clean and simple, and also saves a pound of weight!
If you haven't thought about it yet, possibly look at a fox transfer SL dropper as you can get one with only a 75mm drop which might fit Owen
Milo should get some orange fork and rear shock stickers 👊
i have also learnt two things from this video 1. i wish i had a full suspension bike (cant afford) 2.i love your videos
That's awesome, glad you love the vids!! If it makes you feel any better, when I was growing up I didn't get a full suspension bike till I was 19 years old. Spending more time on a hardtail will make you a better and smoother rider, it'll pay off in the long run!
@@PorterMTB thanks so much that makes me feel a lot better
Eric, I’m a shredder in the Bay Area. I’m currently looking at the Diamondback Release 5C, and it looks sick. It’s a little pricey, and I’m hoping to buy it. Your amazing man. Love your videos! I hope you reply soon. Cheers!
Milo is the chillest dude in America
visually looking at the grey bike it looks like they could’ve removed the gusset and shortened the seat tube even more. 388mm seat tube really isn’t that small for an xs. I understand that possibly tire clearance was a factor there. I recommend trying the new oneup dropper for him as they are super short in there stack and can shim it to 70mm.
I am super excited for your kids! We have some friends with little (6yo-10yo) shredders and got to watch first hand there transformation from HT to FS bikes last season. It was a great reminder that MTB is an equipment based sport.
I will say DB is missing your typical MTB family market with these bike price points. No way a your average family of 4 is dropping $4k-$5k on a kids bike they will out grow in a couple seasons.
Yeah it does make a difference, although they'd be fine on hardtails longer as well, that's all I had till I was 20, without a dropper too! Pricepoints are tough, they are doing their best but everything has gotten so expensive. They do have the Atroz that starts at about $1k complete, and the Release series starts at $2,500 so those are both more affordable.
Commencal have one of the best kid and youth ranges and best value.
Color coordinated bikes look so much better. Great job there Dad!
I agree! Thanks!
ive had my fist bike is was a hartail would you recomend me getting a full suspension 29er because ive ridden one before and 29er fits me would you recomed fullls suspesion 29er?
Hard to say, any bike is fun! See if you can test ride some bikes to see what feels best!
Love the bikes :)
Definitely keep milo's old bike because I regretted selling my hardtail because hardtails are better for some things.
I’m a bike mechanic and I never knew about that stem trick and now I use it every time I put on a new stem
That's awesome, glad it works for you too!
What fixed seatpost you are using for the little one?
The all orange Release was the hit of Sedona!
Thanks, I never knew all that. Now I'm going to buy aftermarket parts.
Nice! You can really customize bikes to make them fit and ride how you want!
The Porter boys are killing it. Keep shredding!
Thanks! You'll love the next video, more Sedona shredding!
How do I adjust my suspension on my 24 inch bike I have to turn the wheel on the top but it is very hard to turn
That's hard to say without seeing it, you might need to take it to your local bike shop to learn how to do it. Unfortunately a lot of 24" forks don't really have many adjustments. Hopefully it's still fun and works well though!
I haven't been able to track down a bel air 3.0. Looks good!
Yeah everything is hard to get these days, hopefully it gets better soon! Great saddle for sure, you'll love it!
Awesome vid!! I only weigh 100lbs as well. My fork was so low psi that my geometry was suffering because of the sag. Should I just run my fork hard to keep my geometry?
Thanks! Your best bet will be adjusting your front and rear suspension so the sag is as close to where it should be while making sure your rebound adjustment isn't too slow, and then trying to have your front and rear suspension balanced so one isn't way firmer than the other. Good luck, it takes som adjusting and testing to get it right!
Awesome thanks!
Sedona for the first ride... epic - sweet ride there team.
Thanks, it was a fun one! Working on another video with lots more riding from Sedona soon!
Where do you guys get your bikes from and for a 250 pound what the best trail and. Jumps mountain bikes
PNW has a kid size dropper post with 90mm of travel! You should check it out!
Those look great, thanks!
tie a bit of rope from the triangle brace in the frame to the seat rails, it will limmit its up travel. I have done this when friends borrow my L bike and the dropper is too high!
ya know what it needs stickers, they make it 20% faster and 30% more steezzzzzzz
Good call!!!
I'm starting to think about getting my son a new bike. I see your kids have Fox 36's versus a 34. Do you think the difference between those forks would make much of a difference? Not sure if the weight difference really matters.
For a kid a fox 34 works great! It is plenty stiff for a lighter rider and any weight you can take off the bike will help benefit a younger rider.
36 is way overkill for a kid but those bikes I’m sure came with them
They definitely don't need a 36 at their weight, but the 34 max travel is 140mm and this is a 150mm travel bike. It's only about a 1/2 pound weight difference so that's not a big deal, and the stiffness of a 36 does keep it from binding so the travel is really nice and smooth. The bikes did come with 36's as well, but if there was a 34 with 150mm travel I'd consider that.
You should get Owen the new one up 90mm droper
Great Bikes! But the Bars look a little bit wide 🙂
I had a full sus before a hard tail
For once, I'm glad I'm not a sponsored rider. My 10 year old looks to be the size of these kids and the YT Jeffsy Primus is an amazing bike for his size. It can handle a dropper and is full suspension. He is on the right size bike until he really is big enough to ride an adult sized bike.
My first “real” mtb was a full squish and I had been on a full rigid my whole life so I know the feeling of switching from a hard tail to a full squish
eric did you ever had any chin accidents when mountain biking ik its the most common accident ive been through tat accident oman luckily my jaw wasnt smashed so do the porters know how
to bail?
Hey Porter’s!! Would love to know what trails you all do as a family. We are heading out that way in May, never been, and my wife and I need some not so the white line type stuff.
Hi Eric!! So cool to see ur kids killin' it w u too!!
Hey Arla!! We have so much fun riding together!
Hey brother, my daughter is 9, 4'7", 75lbs and growing. Trying to figure out what the best entry level bike is for her. Seems like a 24" is pretty close to too small, but not sure if I want her to navigate the extra derailor upfront of a 26", any suggestions?
That's a tough call for sure, I would try to get her to a bike ship where she can stand over a 24" to see how it fits. I think she might be too small for a XS 27.5" bike right now, but it might be perfect next year. Some companies do make 26" kids bikes too, might be a good fit for a couple years, some you can even start with 24" wheels and then swap them when the time is right for bigger ones.
@@PorterMTB thanks, that’s exactly what we did, and you are right, 24” is a perfect fit and probably will be for 6mos to almost a year. We are on the big island so we will be ordering one as our shops are a little thin on selection for keiki.
You could probably get her a 27.5 Xs DRT 1.0 or DRT 1.1 from an REI for around $600-$700
hi just wondering i dont see anything wrong with raceface bars and defty grips
Haha Seth could ride it too! Heck at 5'6" I probably could too 😆 Sweet ride👍🙋
3:05, how to make sure your steering is straight
Such a good trick!
Me: go to shop,buy a bike, and then go ride it 😂
spectacular!!!!
Those bikes look fun!
I think kids should go to 26 first for better control!
But we all know he will grow into it!
RideOn!
That’s exactly how I line up bars!
That's awesome, it's my favorite way for sure!
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I was looking for a bike for my kid who is 4'3'', i was thinking about 24', but now i can at least go straight to 26. Thanks for the video.
Yeah it's tough at that size, make sure to check the inseam and compare to the bike's standover height. More options than ever now thankfully! At 4'3" a 24" might be the best bet for a year, but then you'd be moving up to the bigger wheels.
I am curious. I have a 9 year old that is probably an inch shorter and 5lbs lighter than Owen. He currently has a Trailcraft hardtail 24" that is 22lbs and a Polygon 24" dual suspension that is 28lbs. He only wants to ride the full suspension at "bike parks" because he can really feel the weight difference. How heavy are those bikes? Is that a 36 on the front of that bike? Seems very beefy given the XS frame size. What do they weigh? How do your kids feel moving the extra weight around?
I think something is wrong with my shock then, I have like 150 lbs in my front and rear, and I’m always bottoming out my rear when I go to the park
I was biking earlier today and I got injured, no riding for awhile. If you know the feeling.. You know🥲
Protip on the droppers - modern gravel bike dropper posts come in all kinds of short lengths. Although they're a bit pricey for kids who growth spurt on you every few months.
Much better to zip tie the saddle rails to something fixed to limit the rise to the perfect spot. Then you just cut them off every couple of months as junior grows and replace with slightly longer ones as needed.
i got a "mack 26 mongoose" bike its really good and cool and its 26 inches so i like it it's pretty good also its hard tail i use it alot
you could get a gravel dropper post to fix the dropper issue with owen
you could try the oneup 90mm post for Owen
26er's full sus (aka slopestyle bikes) are the best imo. If you're a parent who only wants to buy one bike to do it all I think it's the best of all worlds.
Small enough to take to the skatepark and plush enough to ride downhill. However they aren't cheap lol