Zero FXS First Ride - Fastest CBT Legal bike?
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2020
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I have the Zero FXS for a week to use. This is the 11KW CBT legal bike but its performance is a different world to a petrol 125cc! Here is what I mean DRZ400sm max torque = 25.6 N⋅m, the Zero FXS...106N.m and 80= MPH on a CBT!
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Correction regarding the batteries. This IS the larger batt available in FXS atm. The sizes for this bike are 3.6 and this the 7.2. The even larger battery the 14.4 are in other models. Sorry for that confusion this has been a very steep learning curve for me unlike the petrol bikes this is all new to myself. As you can imagine with all the models and specs they are not hard to confuse. However this doesn't change anything from these videos only the limits of the tech right now with this model. Please not the bike had gone back the same day the first video went to UA-cam so it was not possible for me to correct this after it was pointed out.
Ask them how much a replacement battery is when its out of warranty. There sre loads of electric bikes under 3 years which have had batteries replaced already.
@@j4zzx297 zero gives a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty. the price for a battery for this model is $2250. no idea what it would be here in the UK.
@@Jafmanz A2 license now
Brilliant video enjoyed seeing Hayling island again 🌟 looking forward to seeing more reviews of learner legal electric bikes keep up the good work 👍
Great to see this vid doing so well for you spicy 👍
very nice video review.well done. amazing bike. I can tell you having lots of fun, make the most of it the time you have left with the bike. well done keep it up.👍
Never thought I'd like an electric bike but this is pretty smart!
*_Interesting, i kinda wanna go on one just to see what its like.. Love the torque on that, that might also be a good safety thing at junctions especailly when filtering.. Good review and thank you for bringing that bike to us._*
Spicy says "what on earth is that" while sitting on a CBT legal silent electric bike capable of 80mph 😂😂😂
It had 2 back wheels, really close together! Haha
@@spicy110 i was on Hayling Island last week.
R125 goes 80mph
@@spicy110 That was probably an OAP Biker on his souped up mobility scooter 0 to 60 in 2sec with a 200 mile range and 1hr fast recharge and a top speed of 160mph.😉😊🤣😂.
I can't wait for the prices of high power electric systems to come down in price, imagine the fun we can all have doing DIY conversions.
Or picture a motorbike that has carbon15 diamond (nuclear waste carbon)batteries that don't need recharging for 100,s of years, making the range of all electric vehicles virtually unlimited.
👍👍👍
@@domjf6 not stock lol
OMG...that’s wicked speed for a 125 equivalent! I got my CBT 6 weeks ago and I’ve already done over 550ish miles on my 125...I love my bike but I wish it would go as fast as this electric one....that would be cool.
Before I passed my test I had a test ride on the 11 kW restricted Zero S model . It felt almost felt as fast as the 600 I was learning on at the training centre.
I understand being only 6'3, so can relate to all of the ergonomic chat.
Thanks for daring !
Looks like a beast!
Great vid Spicy. A thought on the height thing, could always change your YT name to Spicy6FT4
Excellent review Spicy 👏 👌 👍!! Sounds like Zero bikes have some real advantages. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, what an interesting experience 🤔😀
I have ridden on that exact bike I believe, absolutely great fun, and a good bike
great clip 🔥
Good video dude, very interesting. Btw, did you film this in Hayling Island?
Awsome content man.you got a new sub
dude stop trolling man.you is not a real url for free youtube subscribers wtf
I imagine this'd be the ideal motorcycle for somebody that lived in London, was fed up with public transport and wanted to try out commuting on a motorcycle. Being able to simply do a cbt and then ride this seems really appealing, especially when you consider the price of season rail tickets. In such a situation the range wouldn't be an issue either!
Until it's stolen because London
@@DaSpineLessFish gets stolen everywhere
My old 87' RD125LC used to do 90mph, my mates Aprilia 125 did over 100mph back in the 80's, and that was on a 30 minute ride around a carpark lol, 'CBT' bikes have slowed down over the years. specially when 4 storke came to small bikes, i had a Jailing 125 about 15 years ago and felt i could get off and run faster...
I like that this bike is quick, get the new guys used to a fairly quick bike before jumping on a bigger bike.
Like this review ! In my opinion Price should be told first!
I thought that was Russel Howard doing a E bike review until you lifted your visor :D
Hello, nice video. Are there any rattling or vibration noises going over rough road? Thanks.
Sorry about the 6ft 4 spicy I just wanted to ask a funny/different question on the Q&A. 😭🤣 Its just your thing and I love it 🤣
Haha oh you have no idea its said to me weekly if not more its been going on for a while haha
hope reeno and fam are well mate
These electric bikes are proper ninja
I could actually write an essay on what I think this bike represents. People seem to really not “get it” as to why someone would choose this type of bike. It’s something to think really about when it comes to fun/saving money/going greener. *Please correct me if I’m wrong.*
Forgetting it’s £10k - this bike literally destroys the future costs and upkeep discussion when it comes to other vehicles. The running costs of my diesel car in comparison to this - make it look like I’m spaffing money up the wall. Tax, insurance, fuel, maintenance and parts all adds up to a considerable sum.
At home we have a YBR 125 - the running costs are ridiculously low. The downsides of the 125 will always be it’s limitations in power and the restrictions in place if the rider doesn’t have their full license. (Of course this will be different for everyone but I use motorways a lot) if a 125 is all one needs to get to work, go to the shop or cafe then why change? It’s so cheap to run.
The Zero then has all the benefits of low cost maintenance - even possibly lower than a 125 and then all the benefits of having the power and acceleration comparable to a bigger motorcycle.
It’s not going to replace the commuter vehicle or the motorcycle but it is going to give people a completely different option when it comes to their own personal transport.
Especially now in the current climate where there are people out there who suddenly no longer need to travel long distances anymore. I just honestly feel this is something people should consider in the long run - if you were to buy this bike, you will literally only have to worry about the tyres, brakes, belt/chain and that the battery is in good condition. Plus theres the benefits of not annoying the neighbours in the early hours or late at night. If you were to take the FX model on the green lanes and not spook the walkers / horses / wildlife. If you were to take it into London you are exempt from all charges which quite frankly is excellent for going around the city. Yes, it’s not for long distances and there are other bikes and even other Zero bikes that fill those roles.
I’m just fascinated by it but also peoples reactions when they immediately disregard this bike because it doesn’t have a engine or it doesn’t have the range of a normal bike.
THIS!!! all my videos on this bike are already filmed and the bike has gone back but over the coming videos this is exactly what I am trying to convey but I have come up against a lot of ignorance and personal bias that means they can't even see it for what it is or the larger picture of a few years from now! 👍👍
10k is just too much. The big 4 are already working on their e bikes which I'm guessing will be vastly superior and about the same price. Also I would be surprised if Tesla doesn't get in on e bikes. My only issue is all ev are so quiet and that's worse with bikes.
No Tesla bikes mate, Elon Musk thinks bikes are too dangerous and has refused to ever design or build one. Shame really, as the more manufacturers build them, the more the prices should come down
@@spicy110 exactly this. i use mine for food delivery and it is insanely efficient. so cheap to run, amazing fun to ride around town, no maintenance costs, all profit.
Cool bike! Cool helmet - what model is it?
What's the 0-60 on this?
I had a test ride on the Zero SR/F last year, it was so different but so powerful, torque is crazy. I was sold on the concept, but not on the price.
What kind of charging setup does this have? I know you said it's standard kettle plug, but can you plug it into a supermarket charging point for 30 minutes while you shop, (my local Tesco has the charge pod) Or do you have to just leave it plugged in at home and wake up every morning to a 'full tank'? Do you think biker friendly cafés would be more willing to throw an extension cable out for bikers charging while having a quick soda, than have a couple of full size charging points added to their carpark?
The latest ones can be fast charged from a normal car charging point, so it's becoming easier.
Riding thin thumpers (600 XLR and 690 Enduro-R) and a larger Trophy3 for years i can assure you that cagers care less about your noise than about your "size". The larger you seem the more you are respected. And it's the same when filtering or at usual crossings.
The Zero F*cks?! Love it
I think if I just wanted a bike to commute on, I'd def get an electric bike if the journey was in range. The KTM Freetide-E has dropped in price now, under £7k ... fit SM wheels and sticky rubber to that and the commute would be an utter hoot!
Hi, what helmet are you wearing in the video?
I get the same problem with pedestrian when driving a hybrid car at slow speeds. I think you’ll get used to judging speed in a different way 😄.
As a car driver I’m not sure about the noise warning; I always give motorbikes more room to filter when I see them. But modern cars have lots of insulation; so I don’t hear most bikes until point blank range in a traffic jam (so slow speeds) at speed I get more noise warning and time to manoeuvre in advance.
I'm totally buying one once it becomes affordable
So... *ahem*... Hypothetically of course, does it wheelie?
@@comedicsketches torque all the way through
possibly electronically limited?
@@comedicsketches what’s insurance like
@@comedicsketches ok thanks
@spinthefastest S torgued all the way through. But not expecting anybody to do wheelies at top end so not sure what people are going on about, 90% of wheelies are done at lower speed thats just logic lol
I'm 30, no licence as of yet. Been looking into electric motors (As I do have an ebike I enjoy, it feels like a more natural progression than a car) and honestly, I'm leaning towards picking up my CBT and something like this just to get me on the roads. I'm seeing these 2nd hand for about £6-7k now which still isn't cheap, but not the worst and picking up a CBT is was easier than getting a full driver/A licence, which I can get done later.
Hi spicy have you heard of the electric motorcycle called the lightning strike it is the fastest production bike 216 top speed and claims to do about 150 miles at 70 mph that would be a good one to test
I really would like an electric mode of transport but the price is mental. Also I am the exact same height as you, I feel a right lemon on any sports bikes, and I even make my big tourer look small 😅
the aceleration on electric bikes are insane, the lex cipher is a 50cc speed but gets there in under 2 sec
You touched upon having a clutch for slow moving fine controls. Do you think having a clutch and gear lever added with the app allowing you to setup 'gear' ranges and emulated clutch would help the more 'seasoned' motorcyclist transition to an EV bike away from their geared petrol bike?
The UK has always been gear stick drive with cars and one of the biggest hurdles for people moving to an EV is always getting used to automatic 'gears' even though it's only 1 gear, the lack of gear stick seems to be a stumbling problem. People expect to be able to drop down a gear and get more power. If the app could setup the bike as such, emulating the RPM range of power bands for each gear, allowing for clutch control etc I think it'd help. More so when the purists bang on about feeling one with the road and using all the gears. I know it'd probably use more electric in the process and not give all the torque all the time etc, but it might be a nice addition for those who like to use gears.
Perhaps. One of the things I don't like is the feeling that the computer's driving the bike, that it's intermediating between me and the tyre. If you whack the throttle fully open suddenly, instead of delivering full power immediately, it smoothly accelerates to top speed. That suggests to me that it's programmed to deliver power safely, as opposed to being responsive to the rider's input. It's possible that what you describe would make the bike feel more under my control. At the moment, it's got to handle a range of speeds between 0-86mph with one throttle's spectrum, whereas if I had a whole throttle to handle say, 0-25mph, then upshifting gave me access to a slightly higher band, and so on, perhaps more control over the throttle's input could be attained.
OTOH, I'm quite used to the way the bike behaves, and not having to shift means lower cognitive load which means better concentration on hazard development. So I'm not sure EVs will see this as a big enough problem to warrant effort solving.
i have an mt07 and if i had the money i would probably get one of those as a second bike that is nuts for a "125cc"
Hows that windshield? Where can i get one?
Wow that thing looks quick.are you going to do a top speed run.
It's 86mph its a known as this bike is electronically limited.
Look forward to these becoming more affordable... and to not having to change oil every few thousand miles. They should have TC though to be a bit safer (especially in the wet).
Spicy I have the zero s 11kw one and I’ve got it to 93mph. I live in your area if you would like to see the bike.
Would love to test one
Could you please give me a good recommendation for the first CBT bike for 42 yo man.
Almost worth putting a bicycle bell/horn on that for the pedestrians, as I think the normal horn at point blank is a little harsh when they legit have an excuse for having not noticed you.
Yer that's a pretty sound idea, the horn on this is really harsh and loud way too much for a little heads up to someone walking along.
Yo bro where did u get u riding gear from ? Looks good .co$t
yeah! 🤘
nice one
What i wonder is the cost when one needs to replace a battery or the motor
3-4 years for a test drive, I'm surprised the big brands haven't come out with a hybrid
I'd love to see a hybrid bike. I'm unsure there's enough room for the technology but I've honestly no idea what I'm talking about
F2 Motorcycles of Banbury, have built a hybrid moped using a 1990's / 2000's Jawa ZVL Babetta 50-210 2 speed moped equipped with a electric front wheel motor. The 2 stroke automatic dual clutch geared engine charges the battery and the moped can be run on just the 2 stroke motor, the front electric wheel motor or both together.
It is the world's first hybrid motorcycle.
Lower on N2O emissions than a 4 stroke 50cc even when on 2 stroke engine mode. (FACT: 2 strokes emit 1/24th the N2O emissions than an identical capacity 4 stroke).
ARRGHHH basically a electric motor and battery and a petrol engine connected to a gearbox, low end torque of electric with convenience of a petrol with the potential of 100-200mpg
I Expect the big 4 to release e bikes by next summer.
Could you do a video about your helmet/camera setup ??
I have 👍
12:15 "Mother Tuckers" OMFG 🤣🤣🤣
Would it be possible to do a updated version
I have many videos on this bike, however it is a review bike so it is not mine as made clear in the video.
I have been watching quite a lot of the vids regarding electric bikes. And all of the testing, riding etc has been done on basically flat level terrain. I had an electric bike in China for just over 4 years. The city where I lived again was very flat, very little gradient’s. I am back in the UK looking to get a bike. Maybe petrol, maybe electric. My concern is, my Chinese bike was a 72volt, do not know what the torque was etc. I could get 55kmh full charged. It had 3 speed settings on it. But it did not seem to be gutsy. Now the town I live in the UK, the main shops are in a valley and the housing is around on both sides up big long hills some as long as a 1km+ long. My Chinese bike would be shot after not too long. Is there a good electric bike out there, or is it best to get a 125cc petrol?
What licence will or do you have?
@@spicy110 hi, at the moment no license, just had to renew my car license. Once that is back I will go for my CBT to start with. Then maybe I will progress I do not know. I am getting on haha. 64 yrs I do not want to drive for too much longer. But my little Chinese bike has made me want to get a bike here now. Never liked in the past but I am a little bit hooked now. I enjoy your vids they are quite informative and helpful.
They will be there future of London commuting
They are the future of everything in 20years but yes I do think London will be a key area that we see the fastest adoption. 👍
All the better to mug you with....
Careful..
@@JETJOOBOY don't give them ideas haha however I feel the electric push bikes could even beat this in traffic.
i had the electric KTM before i passed my test.It was a similar price to that zero,4 times what a petrol bike would be on insurance,people constantly walk out in front of you and the range was shit.The only up side was the torque.Now i ride a 450 enduro and i would never go back.
In Liverpool City Bike have electric bikes for hire using an app, imagine making these electric motorbikes available. Especially with the social distancing at the moment on buses.
I have the Zero S 11kW model CBT legal too, but it's got 44kW or 59hp peak power!
You still have the bike any fed back problems maintenance costs?
@@andyburton8346 I have sold it now for an Energica, but it was a solid and dependable bike, highly recommended.
How is it CBT legal? how does the law work for leccy bikes? Also is the back break on the bars or by the pegs?
Sorry the breaking was answered
im 27, havent got a bike liscense of any sort. Can I just do CBT and A2 and straight ride this as first bike ? or do i need to do a1 first and hold that for 2 years ? Thanks
For this exact bike you only "need" a CBT but going for a full licence is a good idea. At 24 and over you can take your full A license that allows you to ride anything. There is no point doing A2 as it's the same tests and costs but restricts what you can ride. A1 is for if you only ever want a 125cc or equivalent electric.
@@spicy110 thanks for the fast reply
@@eMeRiCaH no problem
*_By the way Spicy, just as a matter of interest because I haven't heard you ever say, how tall are you?_*
4 foot 6 🤣
bren160 = dry af
I've heard that even very experienced riders can get themselves into trouble riding electric bikes because the torque is something they are just not used to. I remember Spicy riding that electric scooter and nobody was aware of him.
hi viz
Hello where can I go to test ride one ?
Get in contact with English electric link in the description. 👍
nice bike... please tell me were you got your helmet?
ua-cam.com/video/FrCPf0v8kpU/v-deo.html
Go Blanc thank you 😊
So if that same as normal 125. What if you took a test on one. Surely can't then get on a geared bike ?
It's a CBT so it doesn't matter what you do the test on auto or manual you can ride both, unlike the full licences. You also don't normally take tests on your own bike.
We've kinda been here before, if you're old enough to remember the Suzuki X7 the 100mph learner bike which got the rules changed to restrict learners to restricted 125s. It's not actually a good thing to give learners more performance than they can handle.
I think the same restrictions should apply to vehicle licenses. 1 litre car etc for first couple of years. Earn power by learning control.
You can still get 100mph 125 but they aren’t legal as they have too much hp, such as my Aprilia rs125 which does 105 and it’s not been modified 😳
@@projectzip I agree with that!!
Just realised he's in Hayling Island and around havant where I grow up. Kinda mad 😆
That's crazy in all round from the bike if it can be called a bike to price
Potentially, if I was getting a commuter bike this would be a good shout - however at 10k for something I'd leave outside the office or at the train station it's not a winning proposition. I'll keep using one of my beater bikes.
I'm happy for electric bikes to mature, and I appreciate that people who buy these are more or less taking it on the chin for the rest of us - but the range, charging infrastructure and prices just aren't there yet.
You are one of the few who seem to get the price will come down and that only happens when other do buy them at this price.
Have to wait and see what happens on Tesla battery day. If there's some movement on charge time it could help.
Part of the issue is that the smaller batteries in bikes don't lend themselves to DC fast charging, so a battery the tenth the size of one from a car takes the same amount of time to charge.
If charging time for a hundred miles of sports bike riding can come down to ten minutes we're onto a winner - I'd pay the £15k for that.
Rich rebuilds has turned one of these into a Tesla type cyber quad that does over 100 😁
Matt Jones He actually used the motor and battery from a larger model with more power but yes it was cool!
How long do the batterys live
they come with a 5 yr, 250k mile warranty.
Very expensive!
However....it could be the only bike you ever need, if it will do 70-80 all day(so long as there’s sufficient charge in the battery and chargers locally).
Unlike a 125 internal combustion it’s less likely to “blow up”.
I’m not against electric bikes and cars, they are pretty quick and can be a lot of fun, but the price would need to come down a fair bit more before a lot of people inc myself would buy one.
£10k is steep. It's still a great bike but I believe prices definitely need to come down for people to really consider moving over to such a bike. The low running cost isn't really a positive as most 125s are cheap to run anyway. But I guess the maintenance and service costs being literally none existant as electric doesn't need regular oil changes ect and is supposed to be more reliable than a petrol bike. So that would probably help with the initial outlay of 10k but you only see the benefits of that if you keep the bike over an X amount of years or you do loads of miles on it in a short amount of time owning one. But that will be hard to do as range isnt all that great compared to a normal bike where you can go and fill up the tank in minutes and be back riding where this it probably take 10hrs for it to charge or possibly longer
i would wear hi viz gear due to absence of sound
Using the kill switch on a motorcycle does not ruin anything on the bike. It is part of the same circuit as the side stand switch and the key switch.
You can use the kill switch as much as you want and it will not ruin anything on your motorcycle.
Yes I have learnt this is a old truth that is no longer true but is still taught by many
The horwin cr6 Pro is an electric bike with a 5 speed gearbox
Can they be obtained, seem hard to find.
@@majordelays4909 haven't really looked into it, they have a UK importer and it was only released early this year I think so maybe not much supply
£10,000!.. Bargain! and learner legal! 👍🏽
Bargain? Far from a bargain
I clicked on the vid to see the price... freakin YIKERS
@@markhill8590 its sarcasm mate
@@urnansroach would hope so 😂
@@markhill8590 defo sacasim mate 😅
Spicy made a CD analogy in the review...
Well electric motorcycles better hope they don't become the laser discs of the 90's, great product, but the initial buy-in just too high.
you talked about build quality. I cannot help but notice that wind deflector/shield looks like an afterthought, bodged on..
It's a add on.
I wonder why no traction control? With that sort of torque and the potential purchasers it would seem a no brainer to have it.
It's another thing to go wrong on an already new and exciting technology. I wouldnt be suprised if it's something they could add in with a firmware update down the line though, it's just throttle modulation afterall, right?...
Electric cars have it so yep bikes should have it. Also it's much simpler on EV's
14:42 holy shit the merc just...disappeared!
If I want to take the cbt what are the rules on that like can I drive on motorways or not
Watch my video on motorcycle licences by age that can be found in the playlist motorcycle tips for new riders on my channel
@@spicy110 oh ok thank you
@@spicy110 oh Yh also I was watching this video on shifting but I’m still not sure how to know when to shift or will they teach you how to know when
You can tell it's dangerously quiet, spicy was doing 15 in a 5 lol
Electric bikes are 'very good cow observing machines' is the key take away from this video!
No seriously, if the range were a bit longer and the price point more affordable this would be a great option for us couriers.
With all the money I've spent trying to get my A licence, I could have just got one of these lol
love the video but just seen online that now you have to have the A2 and not able to ride with just a CBT
A are you looking at the 12kw version?
It’s the ZF 7.2 11kw
And the ZF 7.2 is a2 says the 11kw is a1
Just started watching your videos how can electric scooter be illegal and this Beast of a bike perfectly legal I've got a full motorcycle licence but yet my scooter is illegal crazy my 300km Superbikes which of course is again totally legit oh and scooters top speed 15 mph
Hi guys are FXS still cbt legal ? Or is the only road legal cbt zero FXE 11kw atm ?
Only models with 11kw in the name as that is the limit for the CBT.
@@spicy110 ok great so is the model u we’re riding in the video cbt legal still now ? Like I could buy a older model ?
Yes it's still legal now, check out English electrics motor co website to see what is available.
@@spicy110 thanks talked to them recently and the 11kw is the exact same bike at the other model just a away to make them “look like a 125 version but there not”
Maybe they could add a noisy hub. Some MTB hubs sound like scramblers nowadays
how tall are you?
6'4
Ten grand eh? I'm actually surprised; I was expecting 12-13. I want one!
The big 4 are doing e bikes soon.
5:50 Being a little careful with the throttle because it doesn't have TC,
yeah, one youtuber already found that out the hard way, didn't they...
What UA-camr?
Didn't the Missenden flyer bin one?
I think you should start announcing your height at the beginning of every video.
How tall are you and how did you fit? I'm 6'
And now at 16 minutes or so you mentioned your height and it's VERY relevant! Seeing you ride that I KNOW I'll fit at 6'! Thank you! Mention that at the beginning next time :) I live way to far away to go and test drive one of these before buying it online so fit is VERY important.
can i ride this at 16 on the road with a CBT?
16 year olds can only have 50cc. So unfortunately no
"If this had a petrol in it, it would be great", really, I can't believe you just said that.
The chassis is great, its better than a lot of petrol bikes. The point is its good not just good for an electric. I guess you misunderstood.
Aprilia rs 125 was my first proper bike 33bhp scared the shit out of me now I ride a 350sixdays whole different animal lol