Zero FXS - Real world range test!
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2020
- One of the big things that is holding electric motorcycles back is the range. So today I am going to do a real world test and see how many miles we get while riding it like a normal petrol motorcycle! The results are very surprising!
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Correction regarding the batteries. This IS the larger batt available in FXS atm. The sizes for this bike are 3.6 and this the 7.2. The even larger battery the 14.4 are in other models. Sorry for that confusion this has been a very steep learning curve for me unlike the petrol bikes this is all new to myself. As you can imagine with all the models and specs they are not hard to confuse. However this doesn't change anything from these videos only the limits of the tech right now with this model. Please not the bike had gone back the same day the first video went to UA-cam so it was not possible for me to correct this after it was pointed out.
Also you overheated the motor not the battery, if your battery hit 100°C you would be running away from a fireball.
Thank you for putting up that comment and thank you for the great review!
In case you are interested and because about 99% people get that wrong:
The figure you are talking about is in kiloWatthours (kWh) which is literally just thousands of watts multiplied by hours
kilo : factor of 1'000
Watts : a unit of Power (similar to Horsepower (HP), describes an amount of work (force*distance) that can be done within a given time)
hours : the unit of time we are all familiar with
Simple example : with a 3,6 kWh battery you could run a 3,6kW motor at full blast for an hour, or at half it's max power for two hours (3,6*1 = 1,8*2).
Maybe you already knew all that, but since so many people get those units wrong...
cheers!
@Judson Kye nope. sounds like something a nonce would do.
These real world tests are very useful. Especially when you want to buy one for commuting. Needless to say that this bikes serves best in the city and then a 61ml (almost 100km) range is a lot.
So it was 60 miles for the larger battery and they claim was it 85 miles ?
About time they started claiming real world range and not one thats set up in a perfect scenario
I have been driving my Zero S - 7.2 for 2 weeks now and i am absolutely loving it .
Eco mode has more then enough power for urban cruising and if u go out to the highway you switch to sport mode .
No worries of range anxiety with the charge tank , in 30 min time i almost get a 50 % charge and there are plenty of charge points here in Belgium .
Man, that whine from the electric motor sure is addictive. I just want to hear it spin up, and up and up.
Untile it blows up and good riddance 😂
I should probably get used to them, they're the future!
@@alexonwheels4190 "Untile it blows up and good riddance" Could say the exact same thing about petrol engines. Now, I loveeee me the sound of any v-twin, but god damn, I'm excited for electric bikes to become a lot more common. At least you're open to the idea of them, good on ya :D
@@Xenro66 the tech is just going to keep getting better and better and better and they'll soon be smashing the limits, I can't wait.
@@k0vacs527 if you want to see smashing the limits check out the Evoke 6061
I’m here after reading your comment on LMG Clips “My thoughts on electric motorcycles”, but I am subscribing after watching a great video that really helps me get a feel for what to expect from one of these bikes.
When I was alot younger the honda bikes had very quiet exhausts and all the time all you heard was the timing chain whine so it would not bother me.
i just keep replaying the part when you let me past so i can hear my bike :D
People may say "that's too fast for a CBT (125)" I think it's perfect for them to learn about how to handle decent power that isn't a gsxr 1000. Once they've blasted it after the first week they'll ride slower to preserve battery and that's a great lesson youngsters learn about money balance and fuel efficiency
It's agot roughly the torqueof the1000 and that could lead to a few painful surprises.
@@anxiousappliance all bikes in first gear will be trouble in that case if they have lack of throttle control
I'm thankful you have removed the fog around electric bikes
That looks like so much fun. You could definitely embarrass a few bigger bikes with this. 😂
Off the line there just faster we all know this!
They are great fun, the 2 I rode were the equivalent to an 800-1000cc depending on the mode, beast+ mode is unreal. Seemless power that seems to go on forever, best thing I've ever ridden in all my years of biking
@@bazw1685 what sort of 1000cc have you ridden?
Z1000 and an old fireblade, great bikes, but when youre on the Zero and there's barely any sound, no clutch or gears and just the seamless power as you twist the throttle, you can't help but smile and love every second of the ride
What a great opertunity first real review on a electric bike great stuff wonder if the pick up is as agressive as the hd live wire as i had a go on that last year on a set up stand so you could sit on it and open it up to 70mph was good the guy before me got on and through the accelerator back and the bike went into ssfe mode all waning lights went on and the engernear had to reset the bike when i got on i wanted to see how easy maintaining 20-30-40-60 was strange on a no gear bike
Fab video spicy.
hey dude, big fan of the channel. Just a word of advice, I was recently knocked off my ybr125 by someone pulling out of micks monster burgers. I messaged the council and they have said they are going to build barriers to stop people parking on the grass verge there, which is what caused the crash. ride safe!
good to know!!
This is what u call a real review 👏
Looks like a great bike for CBT rider. Electric bikes are obviously getting better, but some way to go in range and price before I'll get one.
Yes but the newer ones have fast charging at only 1.5 hours for a full charge!!!!
@@WcWGoldbergWcW problem is, the fastest you charge these battery the shorter their lifespan.
Thanks, awesome video, awesome bike, the raange would be enough for my way to work, hope i´m gonna drive one of these one day :P
What is the recharging time for the newer models with the fast charge? Can these be pushed or are they like permanently in gear? and finally can you do a sneaking up on pedestrians video?
It still baffles me how the big four have let Zero practically run away with this market unchallenged. Especially Honda.
The market is begging for a mass manufactured version at a more realistic purchase price . I assume we are still waiting as Japan cannot find enough profit . They would sell all they could produce at a £5 k entry price to commuters .
Because at the current ranges and prices of these bikes, it's not that big of a market. The biggest market for bikes is America, and in much of America it is many miles between towns. In many parts of the US, a 60-mile range gets you to the next town and back - that's it. So for e-bikes to sell in America in large numbers, the range of those bikes is going to have to get much, much longer than it is now - multiple hundreds of miles. There are physical limitations on the energy density of batteries that may limit the range of electric bikes to distances that do not enable travel in most of America. Petrol is just much more energy-dense, so Americans are never going to stop using petroleum. Especially not now that they are net exporters of it.
We are beginning to use electric scooters in the cities here in America. The market is coming.
@@cisium1184 The market in the usa isnt that important for the expanse of EV's in general. The usa is just 5% of the world population. That said: Zero and Tesla are the main pioneers in EV's. It's strange the big four are still sleeping like the car manufacturers did. The usa now takes the lead, Zero and Tesla are major players. In 2019 the Tesla model 3 was the most selling car in my country.
I’m all for electric bikes I really want a go on one when the range gets better I will seriously consider buying one or when the second hand market gets better I may pick one up for commuting as my commute is only around 30 miles
electric is growing on me watching your videos. nice one
Test it's off roading that be interesting to see if it can handle it and how it does in that setting
I've seen a number of people try off roading on these and it doesn't always go well. The FXS is famous for breaking belts. Plus the FXS is shod with road tyres. Off roaders tend to prefer the FX modified with a chain drive.
Thanks! I've been waiting a long time for a video like this. Most electric range video's give vague and incomplete information and thus still end up with rough approximations. You however typically do here what I tend to do: Get out of the city, do as many bendies as possible at about 60 mph tops, give it the gun only sporadicly and in the mean time deal with real traffic. That this bike delivers 60 miles (= aprox. 100 km for us real Eureopeans :-)) under such circumstances is a good sign. Pure doubling of the range on the double battery pack is however probably too optimistc. It would after all also have to carry the extra weight all the time. Let's put that at a 80 % increase then, which woudl lead to aprox. 108 miles / 180 km. Doing such ranges at such speeds will then give you an afternoon of real world fun. My typical longer rides in such a mix are about 150 km's long so I could very well live with such a bike. If something similar holds true for most electric bikes of up to, say, 40 KW nominal power, the range problem has already been solved as far as I am concerned. What then remains are the prices one (still?) pays for such bikes.
Yes that's a good point about the extra weight.
the reason for regen not being that great is largely can not dump the energy back into the battery that rapidly as would fry the cells. Did read recently of a new li-ion battery with different anode that could be charged 5 times faster that normal li-ion batteries.
Hi spicy, What 125cc under 1 grand used would you recommend, Looking at getting my first bike, Thanks
"Unless they are looking in their mirrors" lmao 😅😅
Do you know the exact differences between the fox and fxs? Just tires?
That 120 Celsius warning was motor temp.. But yea it protects battery and motor.. Motor magnets can loose their magnetic properties and copper windings can get damaged by loosing their coating if it melts away..
And the batt if it would go that high, you would have a thermal runaway..maening, bike would burst up in flames.
Great review. I have the full fat FXS and its the best bike I've ever owned. Just a shame that you can't tour on it.
You can but your trips take longer ;)
I just had a thought the Zero has to have some sort of water proofing for when its raining hard but there is no air intake or Exhaust so in theory ya could take it though a way deeper of water that your other bikes depending on the water resistance of the electrics
English electric are probably glad they have the bike back if they read this haha I do owner how deep they can go. I mean if you sealed every thing you could ride it under water......😲
Future optional extras for the bike may be taller wind screens side panniers periscope and oxygen tanks 🤣🤣🤣
You could be the submersible test rider?🤣
This is fantastic! I think if you kept to 125cc speeds , your range would be outstanding? And still have a lot more if needed ! Clearly the future!
Yes just keeping to a calm riding style and not trying to go flat out makes a huge difference in extra range compared to petrol mpg
The wind up of the motor sounds like the R2D2 scream at points 🤣
Just seen that you can get these on finance too, I'm thinking of getting rid of my WR125X for one 😁
the more i think about it, the more i wonder if it would be better with a clutch lever that let you throttle the regen? Obviously there's the locking up problem, which could be why it's so weedy from the factory, but would it make it easier to use it more and mean it doesn't really need the different settings?
The custom setting allows you to really get what you want in regards to power and regen. Sadly my phone with the app wouldn't talk to the bike so I could not try this out.
A few years back (maybe 4?) Zero stopped by my office (their HQ is near my office & the office is rather large) to offer test rides and I test rode their whole lineup and I was thoroughly impressed with all of them. The main turn-off for me is basically that I don't want to pay 10k for a commuter bike that can't also be a day-trip bike. If I had money to the point where I didn't care about an extra 10k at all (and the space consumed in the garage wasn't an issue) I'd probably buy one to commute daily. Super easy to ride, made lane splitting a breeze, very easy to ride slow, etc., plenty of pep when you open it up, felt 600cc-ish levels of quick. Quite enjoyable. I really did like it. The only reason I wouldn't buy one is basically "trade-offs". Losing the possibility to do more AND the garage space. But if those were non-issues, shit, I'd buy one in a heart beat. Love the little gas tank storage they have if you don't have the extra battery, too.
There is I believe DSR adventure bike one maybe? But more like £20k with the larger battery can't remember if you can have the fast charger as well but at 220kg is was starting to have a problem with weight as well and a 130 section tyre in a 220kg bike doesn't seem right
@@chrishart8548 I can't quite recall, they explained it to me all when I was there, but that was a few years ago and it's all forgotten now. I think I was liking the SR the best, it's a sport bike form factor, so not for offroading, but as you pointed out, they're kind of heavy bikes, so it can't do too much offroading to begin with, and it obviously can't tour due to range, so I shy away from the DS in favor of the S/SR ones.
Yeah the price makes them hard to justify. I can't justify that price tag for a commuter-only bike. For that price it needs to do more than commute. My current daily commuter city bike is a Duke 390 that cost me 4k. The S/SR price adds an order of magnitude to that.
@@MrSlowestD16 can't really fault the Duke 390 seems to be light enough fast enough cheap enough. Has nice tech LED lights TFT and cheap to run. And still comes out on top with Yamaha and Kawasaki trying to compete with twins that have less features and look like poor value for money in comparison
Verry cool sir
How long does it take to charge. Just out of curiosity I drive at the moment 26 miles round trip to work. If it charges reasonable quickly it could be viable for a daily bike.
It takes about 9 hours to charge from 0 to 100%. Your 26 mile round trip would use about 50% of the battery so you’d have enough left for some fun in the evenings. Then charge it back up overnight.
I'm a bit put off by that fact that under 60% battery, you don't have access to full power, and of course the heating issue. Seems on a summer day (Here in the USA) that could be a real limiting factor. So, for full power you have what maybe 20 miles?
I think the big question we have to ask - if English Electric said, "Yo Mr Spicy we want to offer you a swap for the Zero FXS for one of your bikes, are you up for it?"
What would you say? And if you would swap one, which would it be? (ignore that you could resell the bike for profit)
Already covered in videos on patreon, will be on YT next week. 😁👍
Ever rode a rs125cc ? Or a sx125cc? Or anything with a rotax engine?
Great video👍 How about the sound? The motor whine sounds pretty cool in its own way but would you miss a decent exhaust note? Do you get the same satisfaction when you roll on the throttle?
Instant torque. You'll love it.
I actually prefer the sound sound an electric motorcycle, the spooling whine sound of the electric motor just sounds good.
If you really wanted to, I'm sure later there are going to be packs that'll emulate a exhaust of what ever you want, either via bluetooth in your own ears or some speaker packs on the side of your bike so you can annoy everyone else with it... after all loud pipes saves lives.
Except when emergency services use speakers to osculating pitched sounds as their sirens because they've tested that, and it can be heard easier and is easier for people to directional find.
I'd argue that going forward, if people continue to argue loud pipes saves lives we'll start to get motorcycles with annoying alternating sounds on them, much like the EU mandates for newer EV cars travelling at at slow speeds.
But, you know we could just use our horns I guess.
The sound effects are an awful idea. I spent a good few years in China and electric mopeds are everywhere, you could get something like a speaker exhaust... Sounded just as good as you'd imagine!🤣🤣
@@eviebr83 Totally, so enjoy the quite of EV, or the EU will get a wiff of it and make them play ice cream van type jingles as you zoom down the roads.
are you concerned that there is no noise? do you think they should have a sound mapped to the throttle to make it sound like a motor bike?
Or some 50/50 tyres with block tread
Look, when they sort out the battery capacity (aka tank range) and the RRP (way too expensive) I'm sure they'll be great, but those two things I just cited would stop me buying a regular bike, so it's not a prejudice.
The only issue I see is these bikes seem to be all about range and economy. I ride to clear my head the last thing I want is to be always thinking oh crap there's not enough charge left to get home because I got carried away and went too far. Otherwise I like them, even the lack of sound. There are times when going through narrow country lanes that I wish my bike was silent and I could hear the nature around. For daily short commuting these bikes are great no doubt about that
An interesting video covering some aspects I'd not seen before such as:
1) Issues with slow speed control as no clutch to feather and your work-around using rear brake and
2) Controlling a quick getaway using a slight part throttle and release of the rear brake
I think battery cost (a large percentage of the bike's cost?) will take a little while to come down and I don't see any new (affordable) battery chemistry around the corner to solve the long distance rides question. However, I see that several Japanese manufacturers (led by Yamaha) are joining forces in a common approach to swappable batteries and if that takes off, perhaps that would solve charging time and range together in one fell swoop.
Do you think incidentally whether two batteries in parallel would have removed the heating issue and 'limp' protection mode in your ride?
Also what are headlights, dipped and full beam, like in effectiveness? That any say heated grips for bigger bikes might have an issue with consumption?
it was motor temp to high, this is how they can have the 11kw and full power are the same just a lower temp target on the 11kw programmed into the motor controller.
I'm surprised the headlights are not LED especially where power is a big issue. And the 15hp is continuously so I guess if you use power above its going to cut you down fairly soon. Its 15hp continuously I think 28hp peak I read somewhere.
@@DeltaCmndrElite Ah ok, that's interesting.
I see that many high performance EVs now have and indeed require liquid cooling on both motor and battery as both items can be damaged by overheating. Something the first generation of all-electric vehicles like the Nissan Leaf didn't implement to their cost in terms of damage to batteries and warranty claims.
Perhaps electric bike manufacturers might need to consider that also in the future.
It is such a cool bike! Hope lots of people invest in one so the price can come down and the company can keep improving those epic batteries. Still think the price point is super prohibitive tho, I’d expect 10k for an a2 bike but not what is essentially a learners bike. Even us old crumblys coming to biking later in life don’t have that kinda cash for a first bike, so hoping they find their niche 👌🏻
In a few years when the double size battery and fast charger is included in the price. These early £10k ones won't be very attractive. Look how crappy a 10year old nissan leaf with a 50 miles range looks now. Probably worth about £1k
But I get 160miles Flat out 220 if im gentle. I am all for an electric bike, they look fun, but where I live and work I would need to charge at work before going home and at home before going anywhere else. Really hope that the tech in battery's improves dramatically then it might be an option but currently not at all.
12:37 ... whats that huge building on your left there? A prison?? ....... s'okay ... found it - Fort Widley 😉
If Nano Diamond Battery manages to pull off their promises in the next few years that will completely change the game with electric vehicles. I would enjoy seeing a video of you saying your thoughts on it.
It will change everything that runs on batteries. Mobile Phones power banks. Even the battery on ICE cars and motorcycles. And laptops. And torches and power tools lawnmowers.
Ok I actually like electric bikes, I own the old Vectrix vx1.
But here's the problems I see with them.
1/ the price, the Vx1 was priced good but the batteries used sucked that's why it was cheaper.
2/ that bike you have costs between 9 + grand to over 11+ grand for a bike that goes just over 60 miles on a single charge with a 6 hour charge time probably 6 hours.
A 125 cc will cost you around 2 grand and each tank of fuel will give you a lot more than 60 miles and cost of the fuel will be negligible comparative on battery replacement plus charge costs.
3/ if the battery is not able to be removed it means leaving your bike your 9 to 11 grand easy to steal bike on a public charge point over night, em not really a good idea.
4/ insurance is probably more expensive than for a 125cc bike due to the cost of the machine if nothing else.
Ok so you save 15 pounds in road tax whoopy doo.
The battery on the vectrix costs nearly 5 grand to replace, would I really have spent 5 grand on fuel and self servicing on a 125 cc motorbike? probably not and I also wouldn't have to stop every 60 miles to refill the tank waiting around for 6 hours.
These are the problems.
The solution for these smaller bikes are removable batteries so you can either carry a spare or remove it and charge it at home while you swap out for another.
I think I trust your judgement. Will it be worth getting one?
Is it good quality?
Do you trust the battery?
I would suggest watching my full review, and probably all the videos I made on it before buying one. From what I can see they are fantastic however 10k is a lot. Also check insurance quotes as depending on age you may not find it easy to get insured.
@@spicy110 I've just looked more on the price and its definitely too expensive, including the fast charger you're looking at like £11k plus. Fuck that 😂
Yer it's very early tech so has a big cost with it sadly. 5yr maybe I think the pieces will fall a fair bit.
@@spicy110 ill definitely get one in the near future. They are rapid 😂
Hello hello - does this bike wheelie easily on its standard gearing please?
Without a clutch it's a much harder task. It can be done tho in the right hands.
Probably from quite low speeds, am I correct?
I am about to buy a 2019 FXS. What should I look out for?
Trees & other cars n'stuff...
It's the motor overheating, you can get a liquid cooling system for it I think
Cool
0-100 km/h time?
I'm tempted by the zeros when I get my full a license tbh. They're super quick but I kinda wanna get the mt09 😂😂
could you possibly do a kawasaki z650 review mate?
what did you get in the end?
Wow that cam makes that neck look long haha and the bike kinda sounds like a good thing maybe they could build in some sort of solar panels so it can charge on the go or when sat in the sun would help get the miles up a tad
Where on earth would solar panels go on a bike it's mainly seat
@@chrishart8548 could be easy enough to integrate them into the panels they don't need to be big it's a small battery, on the back of the bike is a metal plate witch could take a small panel and even the rest of the panels could be molded out of a solar panel it's not hard to use your imagination and think about it
@@TwistedThrottle91 it's not a small battery it's 7.5kwh. Or 7500wh's even if you could get a 20w set of panels on the bike in fairly bright conditions you would get around 10w output that would take an awfully long time to charge. Probably drawing 2000w from home when it charges in 7-8hours and electric drill battery is around 76wh it's almost 100 electric drill battery's worth.
@@chrishart8548 still gives an extra few miles when needed and within 20years solar power will get better same as battery power will get better and smaller and to be fair there is a lot of space on the bike/motor to add panels, I know solar power isn't that good but even adding a few miles would make a few more miles of fun smiling two wheel fun
@@TwistedThrottle91 probably even loose the extra miles with the weight of the panels.
Can the batteries be removed for charging?
There is an option for this I believe yes but I am not sure this one was set up for it. They are known as Zero hot-swap batteries.
*_It defenitly seems the future is now, and yes i used to watch tomorrows world too.. Alot of what they said on that programme actually has came true._*
No flying cars though
hey, your saying that this bike is cbt legal but its not, the motor power is 33 Kw but the max for a cbt is 11Kw
This is the 11Kw version. The power measurements of electric bikes are done differently to petrol. Just google Zero FXS 11kw.
@@spicy110 fair enough, my apologies
This version is rated 11kw constant. It's peak power is higher that's why it's faster but it can't give peak power constantly. Obviously petrol doesn't have this characteristic.
Excellent review 👍🏻. I had a DRZ 400 SM, GREAT little bike.
In all honesty do you think this bike is superior? I've tested a couple of Zeros a few years back unfortunately not this smaller one.
The price of this bike makes sense, the price of some of the larger bikes that don't really have that much range advantage is nuts.
Tested the Harley Livewire, it was fantastic but at £30K....
From the stand point of brakes, power, handling on road its better than the DRZ. However with that its not as multi capable as the DRZ. I wouldn't want to take it off road put it that way. Haha
@@spicy110 I had the supermoto guise, it was better on tarmac 😉
What helmet is that? And is that visor legal? 🤔
Icon variant pro and yes for day time use.
Does it have removable batteries?
No the battery isn't removable
Yes it is on the FX and FXS
Converted my bicycle this weekend with a kit that cost me 400 ISH quid to do it's 800w about 10% of that bike. get 25mph having that power though the whole range is amazingly fun plus I get about 35 miles range I feel it is the future
Is it pedal assisted?
@@spicy110 it is if you pedal. With 800w you probably don't need too.
@@spicy110 yes converted mountain bike will do around 22 on the throttle alone
So not road legal, this is the issue. it will be addressed in the next few years as more and more illegal electric bikes and vehicles hit the roads. Don't get me wrong I think they are great but you can't really use it legally anywhere but private land.
That's not the point this was a legal regulations related question.
In the EV world your range indicator is called a 'GOM' - a 'guessometer'.......
Spicy should do a bigger electric to compare
the problem is the price. you can do your cbt, theory, test AND buy a "real" motorcycle with miles more range and miles more adrenalin factor for thousands less than just the cost of one of these. It just doesn't work out. Small market
This would be perfect for a cbt but the price is kinda unrealistic for a learner rider.
Learner has no age relation to it remember but yeah the price removes this from young learners as will the insurance. However for older learners this is a much viable option.
@@spicy110 very true but i feel like 80% of learner riders are under the age of 21. It is interesting to see the price of electric bikes now, and what the price would be in the next 5-10 years.
Where are you getting that theres only 20 years of gasoline left?
Didn't say it was petrol running out, there is a ban on combustion engines in 2035, however as it turns out atm motorcycles are not on it but are sure to follow.
@@spicy110 I dont see that goal as realistic
I want this so much, only ever ridden an ebike but it goes 35mph.. now I just have to sell my house so I can afford one 😅
Haha, petrol gone in 20 years 😂 That prediction is from a study done in the 1950s...
No there is a combustion engine ban in 2040 however it maybe be the case motorcycles are not yet on that plan but will surely follow soon enough.
@@spicy110 my bad 😛 that actually sucks. I imagine that date getting pushed back several times though, pricing poorer people out of the car market with such poor public transport isn't a good policy for re-election.
@@alexm9479in 20 years, battery tech should be amazing by then. I'd imagine at least in 10 years time, current gen electric cars and bikes will be getting retrofitted battery and charging upgrades with the newer tech as well.... and price is always going to come down as things become more commercially viable... unless it's the newest iPhone and then it'll probably cost as much as this bike in 10 years time.
@@simonj48 We’re already beginning to see the prices of EVs coming down as well. The original Chevy Bolt costed close to $50k CAD. Now the second gen costs $40k for more range and faster charging. I was tempted to trade my car for one.
eeding an app to change settings SUCKS
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I am trying to sell my Surron ebike to buy one of these.
DRzed! It's not America! 🤨
im just here wondering if im too heavy for it lmao
Well I am around 15-16 stone, no issues for me.
I dislike them because of the lack of engine braking as I prefer the ability to engine brake
You mean to tell me you just got that much range on the 3.6 ah battery and not the 7.2?
That was a confusion is context of what someone told me, the 7.2 isn't the smallest you are quite right however it's not the biggest either so what I say mostly still applies obviously. 👍
Please race it against a 400
11K tad pricey that hahha
Some of the bikes look good range is not enough an the price to high
Hi spicy great videos but can you refrain from calling your bike a DRZee . We are not in America so it’s D R ZED thanks phil
Haha welcome to the channel, this is a old subject and won't change for overly started reasons. However just to add something to think about we are not French, Dutch, German, Greek or Italian but we use their words everyday! 🤔
Expecting Li-ion batteries to double in capacity is delusional.
As it constradicts basic chemistry.
The range issues aredue to bikes having attrocious drag coefficients compared to cars. Often 1,2-1,8, more in line with structures as "aerodynamic" as the eifel tower, than that of current cars. And the faster you go the more important this number becomes.
As this is the value that gets mutliplied by the square of your speed. So if its shit, you going to have to use enormous amounts of power to reach a given speed.
This is a non-issue for petrol bikes, as you can always just put in more power.
You can't do the same with batteries due to their weight.
55+=40miles and a replacement battery half the price of the bike and you will not find a battery any place, look for a replacement battery.Im trying to save you all . 9 hour charge time. Look for a back up battery because after 5 year mark you will be paying 6 thousand.
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Just 55mile range Avg for 10k bike that s no good
It's not 40 miles "face palm"
Yes cbt on non full power
It's not 55 either lol and yes it is legal just google zero FXS 11kw.
@@spicy110 what than is Avg if ridden 60mph
Do I get a full e vehicle, motobike on the Gov. UK sheme, if I have a full car license ftom 1989,? If you can tell me a really decent e motorbike, I have a left hip replacement and have been bike riding for msny years, a woman, 5 ft 8 inches tall, ride slso cycles, every day. I hate cars vans etc. I would like to know how to be able to get a free lot of gear, and stability enhancements at lights, also, needing panniers? I AM BEING SENT SILLY DEALS, such as petrol old moyorbikes ftom local dealers. I am fed up, as someone on a budget, and really love your totally very brill videos, whilst you ride around, really casually done, however you must take ages, sorting through all these bike reviews. I am not overweight, fit, but worried about no help with info from tge Gov. application scheme, and now, being told to finance an E bike! I am totally confused about it all. I have bills, mortgage, cats to feed, and that is why I would really appreciate some advise please. Also, you say suto. I want that. Rear break, combi to frontvis good on this particular bike. I worry though about battery power length too. X
Sorry about the spelling mistakes!
No cbt 16 year olds got 11 grand to waste on this ....wayyyyyyyyyyy to pricey
There is a few things to say to that,
Yes your right mostly. However you need to be 17 not 16 to ride this. The CBT doesn't mean exclusively young people, In fact more people in their 20-50s are getting licenses than 17yr olds. The advantage of the CBT legal version is someone getting a car licence can do a CBT within 2 years and it doesn't run out, Allowing them to ride this permanently. I do mention that 17ye old probably wont be able to get insured on this and they know that but again it's not for 17yr olds. Lastly it is future tech and the price is in line with that.
Yes for the majority this is out of grasp but I see plenty of 17-20yr olds in 10k+ cars, there are rich families out there and they do sell them.
spicy110 I’m Confused you said that if you have a car license and do the Cbt it doesn’t run out how come I’ve had to sit it five times then when I passed my car test in 96? doing my test now because I’m sick of doing it every two years
Woops sorry crossed wire in my brain that is for 50cc bike with a car licence taken after 2001.
I’ll never become an electric sheep and by the time the combustion engine ban comes in (with the aim of pricing most working class people off the road) I’ll probably be brown bread anyway! So for now, I think I’ll enjoy listening to the sound of my bike (even though it’s only a 125) and the sound of a nice 5.0 v8 as I use the kick down.
That's fair enough but if you ever get the the chance to ride one try it otherwise you will never really know.
I'm an electric sheep (I like that, I think I'm going to use it) a car and 2 motorbikes!
I have zero issue with electrics fundamentally I’d totally buy EV car or bike. They’re dead simple, with almost no moving parts. My only issue is charging (I park on the street) and the pricing. The price for this little bike is insane.
For those who want to know the facts on environment, check out Michael Shellenberger’s new interviews and his book “Apocalypse never.”
I have no idea who that is this is just a point that needs to be made all too often these days. For "facts" I would suggest reading proper peer reviewed studies from multiple scientists in the field.
Then once you have read that pile of horse shit, see what his contemporaries have to say about it
Another u tuber more interested in looking at himself
You will notice the is a presentation on a motorcycle. When points are being made I use a rear facing shot and when the road is relevant that shot is used. This is the style I have always followed and has found great success. Apologies if it's not your thing.
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Did you say "Electric isn't the future?" That's the most false statement I've ever heard. Electric vehicles are in their INFANCY. Just wait as the motors get stronger, and the batteries become more stable, hold more capacity, and recharge insanely fast.
I think you may have taken something I said out of context, without knowing what part you are referring to that is all I can say.