It was a great sail that day Tom, and a stiff breeze to show what she could do. Robin and I did it in reverse a couple of years after, sailed past Cape Trafalgar ( not impressed ) and gave a thought to those that perished on our way to Gibraltar
Every year the Royal Navy celebrate the Battle of Trafalgar in various ways - the Officers celebrate Trafalgar Night in the Wardroom and the Warrant Officers, Chief’s & Petty Officers celebrate Pickle Night in the Senior Rates Mess. Never turn down an invite to one of these function they are fantastic
Pickle to my eyes us a perfect example of a Baltimore Clipper (which was really a schooner but also the starting point of the clipper hull). Looking at Pickle, giver her about 8° lmore rake and she could pass for Lynx.
Tom, it was a great pleasure to fly over to England and work with you in Nelson's cabin, thanks mate. Pickle's origins in a pickle, Bermuda? I think not. With respect, despite my diligent research in many countries which you can discover on my website under 'Nelson and Trafalgar' I have found no evidence that Nelson's Pickle was built at Bermuda. It is just as likely, possibly more likely she was built at of near Plymouth Devon possible as a smuggler. It seems to me the Bermuda claim has more to do with promoting the Bermuda Maritime Museum than the facts about Pickle II's origins. Never mind the BMM is a worthy cause ! I could add much more on this subject. I hope though, I've made my point? The truth is we do not know. What we do know is the third vessel to carry this unlikely name, also a schooner, was built at Bermuda in 1820. This may be the reason for the confusion. The Bermuda Pickle served with merit off Africa on anti slavery work however in the official reports by her officers she was not considered well built and had a relatively short R N life.
I love that you can buy one of these ships, there is a boatyard in russia that makes these and other sailing yachts based on historical deck plans. This one is called the grumant 58 and you can order it as an oldschool motor sailer or get it built to the 9s Company is called varyag i think and according to wikipedia they built this one
Bermuda? I think not. With respect, despite my diligent research in many countries which you can discover on my website under 'Nelson and Trafalgar' I have found no evidence that Nelson's Pickle was built at Bermuda. It is just as likely, possibly more likely she was built at of near Plymouth Devon possible as a smuggler. The truth is we do not know. What we do know is the third vessel to carry this unlikely name, also a schooner, was built at Bermuda in 1820. This may be the reason for the confusion. The Bermuda Pickle served with merit off Africa on anti slavery work however in the official reports by her officers she was not considered well built and had a relatively short R N life.
but the captain of the Entrepenate whom Nelson had unofficially given the task to, who raced the Pickle back to the UK, who used thirteen horses to get from Plymouth to London, who was beaten by mere hours, died a few years later depressed, ill, and humiliated. His grave was paved over in 1953 to make way for a parking lot. I always remember that story when I have a bad day, cause shit could be worse.
@@nonegone7170 Sloppy Americanisms polluting English is not a trivial matter. It shows how low we have sunk in slavishly absorbing all the trash that America exports.
Lucho en trafalgar en la flota británica 6 cañones balandro de su graciosa majestad pickle.poco pudo ayudar pero se que lucharon bien.y a los valientes se les recuerda.apoyaría el ataque de las corbetas o fragatas inglesas supongo.
hey nelson look at meee im pickle shiiip i turned the winds eye in the hms pickel nelson pickle shiiiiiiipppp!!! im so sorry i will never comment agian anywhere i promis
Pat Aherne every European power, as well as the US, had treaties with Britain that gave the latter special privileges, like every ship had to lower their flags in the presence of British ships, even in foreign ports. By Trafalgar, trade was largely controlled by Britain, who was powerful enough to force treaties to be made (see the treaty between Portugal and the Barbary States). Britain had enormous political and economic clout. The Dutch had been the first to reap the benefits of the maritime system, but not to the degree of Britain. Phoenicia and Carthage, both impressive ancient maritime empires, never had the sheer dominance of the British Empire
@@ScramasaxeRA They dominated the seas of the known world at that time which made them a maritime superpower. It didn't last, just as it didn't last for the poms. Empires are always ephemeral.
@@earthwizz and therein lies the problem with definitions of conceptual accolades. Superpower means being a power on a global scale. But because a power is an arbitrary term, and wholly relative, it's never well defined. I'd definitely argue they were a great power. One could make the argument that they were a superpower for the known world, but you'd have to create a new word to differentiate what they did and, say, the British and the Americans. The scale is just totally different, and brings so many logistical problems that it's not just "being a power, but more"
Pickle's origins in a Pickle, as is many of the stories she has generated. Sir consequently your comment is very very misguided. You owe me an apology and a bottle of rum. You are right that the model kit is wrongly named as HMS Pickle For the rest you are wrong. Permit me to help you? 1. you can learn about my painting and the very extensive research behind my 3 Pickle paintings via my website. My research included archives in the USA, Bermuda, England and France. Look for warships, 'Nelson and Trafalgar' on my site and follow the hyperlinks, enjoy. 2. My paintings are actually based in part upon the only painting likely to have been overseen by her commander in London after he delivered the news. 3. My painting is also based on the model in the Royal Navy Museum, Portsmouth which I was permitted to examine and photograph in detail thank going to the then head curator the late Dr. Colin White. The model is today often said to be of HMS Pickle however Dr White assured me it is actually of a very similar R N schooner of that period, HMS Haddock. Dr. White told me among other things, te lines of the original Pickle did exist having been taken off her at Devonport. Unfortunately the museum many years previously in a 'more gentle age' he said, loaned the plans to a individual presumably to make a model. Neither the plans again or the model ever saw the RNM... That means, somewhere out there you just might discover the original draft although it is far more likely it no longer exists. 4. Before I prepared my painting I had a long consultation with Dr. White and also with the now legendary Mr. Peter Goodwin. At that time the latter (who is also the author of 17 naval books, most of them semi technical, to date) was 'Keeper and curator' of HMS Victory and I was Victory's Official Artist for the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar. My resultant paintings, the one shown in Tom's video is "I Have Urgent Dispatches' and still available as a very fine print from my website, are all resultant from the above. By way of recommendation, Mr. Goodwin and several retired R N and USN admirals have bought copies of the print. Durgan, can send the rum to my home address in France.
This Boat is not a Replica there are 4 more of the same build ! Interesting info direct from my friends at the Russian boatyard in St Petersburg that built all the boats including the one been used as “Pickle”. All part of the Grumant project. As it says on their website they were based on the designs of Chapman and packet schooners of the day. If you have the money you can order your very own ! 😉 www.varyag-onego.ru/suda/2/29/?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR12XVylKY6-r3vD7aotsXzFgHkYBCPskLxIhPPaN_N7sT2d3Y4X8tNRULg
This Boat is not a Replica there are 4 more of the same build ! Interesting info direct from my friends at the Russian boatyard in St Petersburg that built all the boats including the one been used as “Pickle”. All part of the Grumant project. As it says on their website they were based on the designs of Chapman and packet schooners of the day. If you have the money you can order your very own ! 😉 www.varyag-onego.ru/suda/2/29/?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR12XVylKY6-r3vD7aotsXzFgHkYBCPskLxIhPPaN_N7sT2d3Y4X8tNRULg
This Boat is not a Replica there are 4 more of the same build ! Interesting info direct from my friends at the Russian boatyard in St Petersburg that built all the boats including the one been used as “Pickle”. All part of the Grumant project. As it says on their website they were based on the designs of Chapman and packet schooners of the day. If you have the money you can order your very own ! 😉 www.varyag-onego.ru/suda/2/29/?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR12XVylKY6-r3vD7aotsXzFgHkYBCPskLxIhPPaN_N7sT2d3Y4X8tNRULg
@@garrybeech4921 Yes I agree , she was simply used as a replica for the bi centenary Trafalgar celebrations , there are no original plans for HMS Pickle so it was cheaper to hire her, and change the name from "Alevtina and Tuy", than build a true replica (according to the curator of HMS Victory she was close enough though a bit smaller). We also at that time owned a sister ship the "Elena Maria Barbara" . The third one is chartering in the Med but I do not know the whereabouts of the fourth
A small ship bringing such big news! Thanks, Tom, for telling us the story of HMS Pickle.
Did my time in the U.S, Navy now far from the sea (Denver, Colorado) but really enjoy this series on the legacy of earlier mariners!
Oh, pirate John Paul Jones navy... :)
It was a great sail that day Tom, and a stiff breeze to show what she could do. Robin and I did it in reverse a couple of years after, sailed past Cape Trafalgar ( not impressed ) and gave a thought to those that perished on our way to Gibraltar
Missed this the first time round, outstanding as usual. Thank you Tom, a real education.
Every year the Royal Navy celebrate the Battle of Trafalgar in various ways - the Officers celebrate Trafalgar Night in the Wardroom and the Warrant Officers, Chief’s & Petty Officers celebrate Pickle Night in the Senior Rates Mess. Never turn down an invite to one of these function they are fantastic
Nothing quite like the magic of a slippery pickle.
The Pickle is a truly lovely ship.
And now we cannot even stop a rubber dinghy crossing the Channel! God help us.
What a Great Doco.
Absolutely fantastic! So very interesting
Pickle to my eyes us a perfect example of a Baltimore Clipper (which was really a schooner but also the starting point of the clipper hull). Looking at Pickle, giver her about 8° lmore rake and she could pass for Lynx.
Tom, it was a great pleasure to fly over to England and work with you in Nelson's cabin, thanks mate.
Pickle's origins in a pickle, Bermuda? I think not.
With respect, despite my diligent research in many countries which you can discover on my website under 'Nelson and Trafalgar' I have found no evidence that Nelson's Pickle was built at Bermuda.
It is just as likely, possibly more likely she was built at of near Plymouth Devon possible as a smuggler.
It seems to me the Bermuda claim has more to do with promoting the Bermuda Maritime Museum than the facts about Pickle II's origins.
Never mind the BMM is a worthy cause !
I could add much more on this subject. I hope though, I've made my point?
The truth is we do not know.
What we do know is the third vessel to carry this unlikely name, also a schooner, was built at Bermuda in 1820. This may be the reason for the confusion.
The Bermuda Pickle served with merit off Africa on anti slavery work however in the official reports by her officers she was not considered well built and had a relatively short R N life.
The Pickle was far from typical.
Yet, she remains topical.
But not tropical
Such awesome videos... cant wait for the next boat
Love it.
1:35 "...thrashed the forces of France and Spain..." Words that are music to the ears of all true Britons, even two and a quarter centuries later.
Thank you for teaching me what a schooner is! :)
I love that you can buy one of these ships, there is a boatyard in russia that makes these and other sailing yachts based on historical deck plans. This one is called the grumant 58 and you can order it as an oldschool motor sailer or get it built to the 9s
Company is called varyag i think and according to wikipedia they built this one
@5:41, that "suspiciously modern" rig could sail closer to the wind than any square rigger.
She was built in Bermuda of Bermuda cedar which was light and strong. Rig was called Bermuda Sloop.
So that is why triangular sail rigs are called "Bermuda rigs"?
Sad that Britain hardly builds ships anymore. Ships are mostly made in China now.
@@gj1234567899999 When missiles and aircraft exist you need less ships mate. Much in the same way you see less horses on the roads as days go by.
Bermuda? I think not.
With respect, despite my diligent research in many countries which you can discover on my website under 'Nelson and Trafalgar' I have found no evidence that Nelson's Pickle was built at Bermuda.
It is just as likely, possibly more likely she was built at of near Plymouth Devon possible as a smuggler.
The truth is we do not know.
What we do know is the third vessel to carry this unlikely name, also a schooner, was built at Bermuda in 1820. This may be the reason for the confusion.
The Bermuda Pickle served with merit off Africa on anti slavery work however in the official reports by her officers she was not considered well built and had a relatively short R N life.
Love sailing my Pickle schooner to Tunatown.
You ought not talk that way your just a boy. Mmmm Hmm. Carl Childers. Sling blade.
Leroy Hovatter do you mustard on your fries?
@@alohathaxted I sure love them French fries taters Mmmm Hmmm.
Leroy Hovatter now eyes gotta go get me some, thanks!
Love it!!!!
Good 👍👍
but the captain of the Entrepenate whom Nelson had unofficially given the task to, who raced the Pickle back to the UK, who used thirteen horses to get from Plymouth to London, who was beaten by mere hours, died a few years later depressed, ill, and humiliated.
His grave was paved over in 1953 to make way for a parking lot.
I always remember that story when I have a bad day, cause shit could be worse.
A car park, not a parking lot. This is not America!
@@johnough4893 No wonder England is in such shambles today when the citizens care about such trivialities...
@@nonegone7170 Sloppy Americanisms polluting English is not a trivial matter. It shows how low we have sunk in slavishly absorbing all the trash that America exports.
@@nonegone7170Failure to pay attention to detail can easily cost lives!
@@nonegone7170yes, we do care.
I'm curious what the answer was to the exam question :)
Lucho en trafalgar en la flota británica 6 cañones balandro de su graciosa majestad pickle.poco pudo ayudar pero se que lucharon bien.y a los valientes se les recuerda.apoyaría el ataque de las corbetas o fragatas inglesas supongo.
Oh dear, I hadn’t finished watching.
hey nelson look at meee im pickle shiiip i turned the winds eye in the hms pickel nelson pickle shiiiiiiipppp!!! im so sorry i will never comment agian anywhere i promis
Pickle was built in Bermuda.
Pickle riiiiiick
Where did they get the timber to build their boats?
@Thoth Al Khem Brits also came to Newfoundland for straight tress of iron wood.
Forest of Dean
First maritime superpower? The Phoenicians might have something to say about that.
Robin Harrison the importance is SUPERpower, not simply a maritime power. No nation before the Brits had such complete and total control of the seas
@@ScramasaxeRAcontrol of which seas?
Pat Aherne every European power, as well as the US, had treaties with Britain that gave the latter special privileges, like every ship had to lower their flags in the presence of British ships, even in foreign ports. By Trafalgar, trade was largely controlled by Britain, who was powerful enough to force treaties to be made (see the treaty between Portugal and the Barbary States). Britain had enormous political and economic clout. The Dutch had been the first to reap the benefits of the maritime system, but not to the degree of Britain. Phoenicia and Carthage, both impressive ancient maritime empires, never had the sheer dominance of the British Empire
@@ScramasaxeRA They dominated the seas of the known world at that time which made them a maritime superpower. It didn't last, just as it didn't last for the poms. Empires are always ephemeral.
@@earthwizz and therein lies the problem with definitions of conceptual accolades. Superpower means being a power on a global scale. But because a power is an arbitrary term, and wholly relative, it's never well defined. I'd definitely argue they were a great power. One could make the argument that they were a superpower for the known world, but you'd have to create a new word to differentiate what they did and, say, the British and the Americans. The scale is just totally different, and brings so many logistical problems that it's not just "being a power, but more"
I love pickles
Gay
my step dad owns pickle btw guys
Translating is missing
Fricker's unremarkable painting appears to be based on the model ship kit, which isn't the pickle.
Pickle's origins in a Pickle, as is many of the stories she has generated.
Sir consequently your comment is very very misguided.
You owe me an apology and a bottle of rum.
You are right that the model kit is wrongly named as HMS Pickle
For the rest you are wrong.
Permit me to help you?
1. you can learn about my painting and the very extensive research behind my 3 Pickle paintings via my website.
My research included archives in the USA, Bermuda, England and France.
Look for warships, 'Nelson and Trafalgar' on my site and follow the hyperlinks, enjoy.
2. My paintings are actually based in part upon the only painting likely to have been overseen by her commander in London after he delivered the news.
3. My painting is also based on the model in the Royal Navy Museum, Portsmouth which I was permitted to examine and photograph in detail thank going to the then head curator the late Dr. Colin White. The model is today often said to be of HMS Pickle however Dr White assured me it is actually of a very similar R N schooner of that period, HMS Haddock. Dr. White told me among other things, te lines of the original Pickle did exist having been taken off her at Devonport. Unfortunately the museum many years previously in a 'more gentle age' he said, loaned the plans to a individual presumably to make a model. Neither the plans again or the model ever saw the RNM... That means, somewhere out there you just might discover the original draft although it is far more likely it no longer exists.
4. Before I prepared my painting I had a long consultation with Dr. White and also with the now legendary Mr. Peter Goodwin.
At that time the latter (who is also the author of 17 naval books, most of them semi technical, to date) was 'Keeper and curator' of HMS Victory and I was Victory's Official Artist for the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar.
My resultant paintings, the one shown in Tom's video is "I Have Urgent Dispatches' and still available as a very fine print from my website, are all resultant from the above.
By way of recommendation, Mr. Goodwin and several retired R N and USN admirals have bought copies of the print.
Durgan, can send the rum to my home address in France.
It's "The Ships That Built Britain" not ""The Boats (sic) That Built Britain". The difference between the two is significant.
Damn landlubber
Boat... U mean ship
Yankee schooners are famed for a reason.
Dill?
This Boat is not a Replica there are 4 more of the same build ! Interesting info direct from my friends at the Russian boatyard in St Petersburg that built all the boats including the one been used as “Pickle”. All part of the Grumant project. As it says on their website they were based on the designs of Chapman and packet schooners of the day. If you have the money you can order your very own ! 😉 www.varyag-onego.ru/suda/2/29/?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR12XVylKY6-r3vD7aotsXzFgHkYBCPskLxIhPPaN_N7sT2d3Y4X8tNRULg
A man who's been at sea should not be calling a ship like that a boat.
Pedantic- a ship is a boat over 100 ft.
@@Jhossack No, a ship can carry a boat, a boat can't.
That is NOT the ship that delivered the message. That ship sank in 1808. That ship was built in 2012!
He tells us in the introduction this is a replica.
This Boat is not a Replica there are 4 more of the same build ! Interesting info direct from my friends at the Russian boatyard in St Petersburg that built all the boats including the one been used as “Pickle”. All part of the Grumant project. As it says on their website they were based on the designs of Chapman and packet schooners of the day. If you have the money you can order your very own ! 😉 www.varyag-onego.ru/suda/2/29/?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR12XVylKY6-r3vD7aotsXzFgHkYBCPskLxIhPPaN_N7sT2d3Y4X8tNRULg
1995
@@brianjones3191 It is not even a replica. I have been on it and it looks nothing like the original.
Schooner rig = American developed blockade runner. Not surprising at all
She looks suspiciously American!
sorry but this Pickle was built as the Alevtina and Tuy in Russia based on an Armed Baltic packet
AMERICA
HMS Pickle was built in Bermuda, so close to America, but still a Royal Navy dockyard.
Portentous. Good story, but over produced and self important. It is not about you. Nice replica.
not quite a replica but close enough, built in Russia
This Boat is not a Replica there are 4 more of the same build ! Interesting info direct from my friends at the Russian boatyard in St Petersburg that built all the boats including the one been used as “Pickle”. All part of the Grumant project. As it says on their website they were based on the designs of Chapman and packet schooners of the day. If you have the money you can order your very own ! 😉 www.varyag-onego.ru/suda/2/29/?lang=eng&fbclid=IwAR12XVylKY6-r3vD7aotsXzFgHkYBCPskLxIhPPaN_N7sT2d3Y4X8tNRULg
@@garrybeech4921 Yes I agree , she was simply used as a replica for the bi centenary Trafalgar celebrations , there are no original plans for HMS Pickle so it was cheaper to hire her, and change the name from "Alevtina and Tuy", than build a true replica (according to the curator of HMS Victory she was close enough though a bit smaller). We also at that time owned a sister ship the "Elena Maria Barbara" . The third one is chartering in the Med but I do not know the whereabouts of the fourth
@@garrybeech4921. So all replicas. Not original, nice for sure. But COPIES.