Thanks! But you had to check color accuracy with WB fixed ;) Flare is a disaster with ND2-400. Also, it would be interesting just to see crops from the central part of the flare images. Especially to compare the loss of sharpness with no ND filter image. Thank you anyway!
Ive a ND 0 to 32 from K and F Concept and it seems about right for shooting wide open video outside, some really bright days might require lowering the ISO to tame the zebras and now blow highlights. But this filter, is 400 not a bit insane for shooting video? Maybe fine for astro-photography or something but the huge leaps between 0 - 400 do not give much room for accuracy I honing in the exposure - it's far too wide!? Or am I missing something!
@@WesPerry Yeah I get that - but a lot of its marketing is for video - but makes no sense to me. They dont seem to have a 0 - 64 ND which would be better for video surely?
Looking at their filter line there does not appear to be much difference between lines. The No-X filters are just limited to a rotation range. Either less or more by using hard stops and thus that's how they get around the X pattern. The other filters are not limited and thus you can rotate it to display an X pattern. The range for no-X just is the amount of rotation that is limited. After that it appears that whether they start at n2 or n8 is dependent on the film they use with the latter allowing less transmission. You either buy a limited one that they limit for you because you prefer the handling and hard stops, or you buy one without hard stops knowing at some point you will hit the X pattern. After that there are just coating differences and of course manufacturing tolerances.
The thing that really annoys me and undoubtedly confuses many, is the use of the 2-400 sort of thing. Put it in STOPS and state that its around 8.6 stops. That way some might know what it is all about.
95mm thread? What’s the focal length of the lens? The longer the lens focal length, the less apparent this will be. I test at ultrawide because it’s the worst case scenario for most filters. And if you oversize the filter on the lens (though I don’t think you can get a bigger filter than that filter size in this case) you generally get better performance.
@@WesPerry Thanks for your fast response. I have a 180-600 Nikon Z mount lens and I'm trying to decide between ND 2-32 (not the nano as I don't think they carry a 95mm) and the combo ND 2-32 (CPL / ND)? I'm moving to more video outside and need to deal with my lower SS. What do you think?
@@MrPjtmac whew yep that is a big lens, and that biggest these filters go up to, and yeah, this seems to be the only one that goes to that size. It's cheap enough that I would say you don't have much to lose to give it a try, compared to the price of that lens! lol
🚨 Will that lever come off.? I’d like to have my lens hood on but can’t see that happening with that sticking out. And without hard stops and if I took that off I don’t know how I would tell what stop I’m on with the hood on. Thoughts…???
Yes it seems that they only sell online as they're a value first brand that spends little to no money on store presence and advertising... which certainly has its ups and downs. There isn't really any way to try before you buy unless you know someone locally who has one.
i bought some k&f vnds and tested these I bought one nd 2-nd 400 B serieswithout any coating filter nd 2- nd 400 , C series a blue coatinng vnd and a nano no x nd 2- nd 32 and these are cheap to costly in ascending order as i mentioned but i found no coating and nano x has less green cast while blue coating one has terrible green cast..i was thinking to keep blue coating one but i guess i have to keep either n b series or nano x do u thibk a coating helps?
@@WesPerry wow wow was not expecting a prompt reply So my question will b does nd 32 is enough in bright sunny day for video with 2.8 16 -35 lens? No x just reached today i have to test it yet Coz nd 2-400 becomes quite dark just before that x pattern appears And have u tested jjc or nisi true color But as i have seen so many videos polar pro has done a great job on colors but out of budget one can get a used lens in that price .lol
@@MnMS1904 infomercials are often dramatized more than they’d like to admit, and 60p makes it all the more obvious. Works against anyone trying to conceal anything, because the microexpressions on a persons face are suddenly much easier to read. Experiments have found it’s incredibly difficult act convincingly at 120p. On theatre stage IRL it only works because there is already a culturally expected understanding of falsehood.
Generally the most cost effective idea is to get a larger one that fits your biggest lens (82mm often), then use step rings to attach it to smaller lenses.
I wouldn’t recommend it, no. They have 2 filters specifically for that. For solar photography you want something that is rated for IR and UV blocking specifically. And I doubt this one adequately blocks IR to be perfectly safe. Also, I don’t think the max filter is high enough. A typical solar filter is 16-20 stops, while this one maxes out around 8.5 I think?
Not much lol I enjoy the company’s general attitude of being highly compatible and always cramming in all the user-useful features they can, but I haven’t personally used one before.
@@WesPerry Thanks for that, I am about to buy one - the "pocket" 6K G2 - funny, the main reason I went for it is that have some Cannon lenses and hated the thought of buying more lenses. I also like the price - however the name, is a little misleading. YOU try and fit that thing in your pocket! I'll let you know what I think.
@@WesPerry Well, My Blackmagic camera arrived a couple of days ago - and what I have seen so far I like! You can even white balance the LCD screen. It's big, and you definitely need the battery grip, it sucks up power. I think it's worth looking at and doing a review.🙂
Sometimes you can find these for under $100. But spending less and less can get you some pretty terrible colour shifts and image degradation, so you definitely get what you pay for to some degree.
Yes, but only insofar as they specifically polarize light to interact with one another, using “circular polarization” (like 3D glasses do in movies). These have little effect on the look of outside light coming in. This is super confusing, though, as this is not the same as a “circular polarizer”, which filters one angle of light, allowing you to rotate it to choose which angle you want to cut. The K&F VND +Polarizer has a directional circular polarizer as such.
@@WesPerry do you have an affiliate link to the right one? There's so many that are similar. Mainly shoot surfing videos in bright California sunlight.
Thanks! But you had to check color accuracy with WB fixed ;) Flare is a disaster with ND2-400. Also, it would be interesting just to see crops from the central part of the flare images. Especially to compare the loss of sharpness with no ND filter image. Thank you anyway!
Thanks for the video. I've been using k&F filters for a while , mainly due to cost , I can see now I need to upgrade 😬
Ive a ND 0 to 32 from K and F Concept and it seems about right for shooting wide open video outside, some really bright days might require lowering the ISO to tame the zebras and now blow highlights. But this filter, is 400 not a bit insane for shooting video? Maybe fine for astro-photography or something but the huge leaps between 0 - 400 do not give much room for accuracy I honing in the exposure - it's far too wide!? Or am I missing something!
It’s not Just for video, though. Using an ND1000 is not uncommon for long exposures in landscape photography (for waterfalls and such).
@@WesPerry Yeah I get that - but a lot of its marketing is for video - but makes no sense to me.
They dont seem to have a 0 - 64 ND which would be better for video surely?
Looking at their filter line there does not appear to be much difference between lines. The No-X filters are just limited to a rotation range. Either less or more by using hard stops and thus that's how they get around the X pattern. The other filters are not limited and thus you can rotate it to display an X pattern. The range for no-X just is the amount of rotation that is limited. After that it appears that whether they start at n2 or n8 is dependent on the film they use with the latter allowing less transmission. You either buy a limited one that they limit for you because you prefer the handling and hard stops, or you buy one without hard stops knowing at some point you will hit the X pattern. After that there are just coating differences and of course manufacturing tolerances.
Thanks!Very useful,so the new version is called x series,the previous version you mentioned is the D version?
The thing that really annoys me and undoubtedly confuses many, is the use of the 2-400 sort of thing. Put it in STOPS and state that its around 8.6 stops. That way some might know what it is all about.
Yeah, it’s always frustrating that there are Three relatively common ways of rating ND filters.
Wes, are these shortcomings (flare, x pattern) as much a concern on a 95mm lens?
95mm thread? What’s the focal length of the lens? The longer the lens focal length, the less apparent this will be. I test at ultrawide because it’s the worst case scenario for most filters. And if you oversize the filter on the lens (though I don’t think you can get a bigger filter than that filter size in this case) you generally get better performance.
@@WesPerry Thanks for your fast response. I have a 180-600 Nikon Z mount lens and I'm trying to decide between ND 2-32 (not the nano as I don't think they carry a 95mm) and the combo ND 2-32 (CPL / ND)? I'm moving to more video outside and need to deal with my lower SS. What do you think?
@@MrPjtmac whew yep that is a big lens, and that biggest these filters go up to, and yeah, this seems to be the only one that goes to that size. It's cheap enough that I would say you don't have much to lose to give it a try, compared to the price of that lens! lol
@@WesPerry Thanks for your help
Just took some photos,awaiting your next order...📸
I suspect it's gonna be to take some more photos...or buy a t-shirt 😂
🚨 Will that lever come off.? I’d like to have my lens hood on but can’t see that happening with that sticking out.
And without hard stops and if I took that off I don’t know how I would tell what stop I’m on with the hood on.
Thoughts…???
I use Kase and it's perfect. K&F looks not bad, but never saw its store, how can I try it?
Yes it seems that they only sell online as they're a value first brand that spends little to no money on store presence and advertising... which certainly has its ups and downs. There isn't really any way to try before you buy unless you know someone locally who has one.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
i bought some k&f vnds and tested these
I bought one nd 2-nd 400 B serieswithout any coating filter
nd 2- nd 400 , C series a blue coatinng vnd
and a nano no x nd 2- nd 32
and these are cheap to costly in ascending order as i mentioned
but i found no coating and nano x has less green cast while blue coating one has terrible green cast..i was thinking to keep blue coating one but i guess i have to keep either n b series or nano x
do u thibk a coating helps?
I would really only go with the Nano-x ones myself. Just based on my own testing.
@@WesPerry wow wow was not expecting a prompt reply
So my question will b does nd 32 is enough in bright sunny day for video with 2.8 16 -35 lens?
No x just reached today i have to test it yet
Coz nd 2-400 becomes quite dark just before that x pattern appears
And have u tested jjc or nisi true color
But as i have seen so many videos polar pro has done a great job on colors but out of budget one can get a used lens in that price .lol
I’d have to check tomorrow to be sure if I remember. Lol
@@WesPerry thank u so much
I will wait for u reply.
I may test tommrow and will try to update as well.
Wes, did you film this in 60fps?
You betcha. Non-dramatized content should always be 60p+ in my opinion. One day we’ll all get there ;)
@@WesPerry nothing wrong with it, I was just curious. I subscribed.
@@WesPerry can infomercials be considered non dramatized, could this technique work on one?
@@MnMS1904 infomercials are often dramatized more than they’d like to admit, and 60p makes it all the more obvious. Works against anyone trying to conceal anything, because the microexpressions on a persons face are suddenly much easier to read. Experiments have found it’s incredibly difficult act convincingly at 120p.
On theatre stage IRL it only works because there is already a culturally expected understanding of falsehood.
Hi Wes! What is the difference between the Series "C" and "K"? Please HELP!
I don’t know what you mean. Are these different products from what we’re looking at here?
It's the series designation n I am wondering what they are...there is c, d, k, x...??
Would also like to know please.
Where the ones you test previously still nano-x or where they nano-d or nano-k or whatever other line they might have had?
So basicly the best would be rectangular or at least separated lenses? ND + CPL. Like K&F Concept Nano X-PRO Rectangular Filter Set?
It’s probably just that the wide range on this filter is a bit too ambitious. Their lower range round ones work better.
@@WesPerry still I have to buy for each my lenses...
Generally the most cost effective idea is to get a larger one that fits your biggest lens (82mm often), then use step rings to attach it to smaller lenses.
@@WesPerry great idea. But in picture quality I will get a better result fit separated filters, right? One ND and one cpl.
May these be used to capture eclipses?
I wouldn’t recommend it, no. They have 2 filters specifically for that.
For solar photography you want something that is rated for IR and UV blocking specifically. And I doubt this one adequately blocks IR to be perfectly safe. Also, I don’t think the max filter is high enough. A typical solar filter is 16-20 stops, while this one maxes out around 8.5 I think?
Lo uso per il video fantastico!
I migliori filtri ...diffidatevi di quelli molto più costosi!
What do you think about blackmagic cameras?
Not much lol
I enjoy the company’s general attitude of being highly compatible and always cramming in all the user-useful features they can, but I haven’t personally used one before.
@@WesPerry Thanks for that, I am about to buy one - the "pocket" 6K G2 - funny, the main reason I went for it is that have some Cannon lenses and hated the thought of buying more lenses.
I also like the price - however the name, is a little misleading. YOU try and fit that thing in your pocket!
I'll let you know what I think.
@@WesPerry Well, My Blackmagic camera arrived a couple of days ago - and what I have seen so far I like! You can even white balance the LCD screen. It's big, and you definitely need the battery grip, it sucks up power. I think it's worth looking at and doing a review.🙂
Which filter do you recommend under 100$?
Sometimes you can find these for under $100. But spending less and less can get you some pretty terrible colour shifts and image degradation, so you definitely get what you pay for to some degree.
hey does it work on APSC lenses ???
It’ll work on any lens you can size it or adapt it to fit.
I though all variable ND filters were two polarizing filters.
Yes, but only insofar as they specifically polarize light to interact with one another, using “circular polarization” (like 3D glasses do in movies). These have little effect on the look of outside light coming in. This is super confusing, though, as this is not the same as a “circular polarizer”, which filters one angle of light, allowing you to rotate it to choose which angle you want to cut. The K&F VND +Polarizer has a directional circular polarizer as such.
Which 82mm VND would you buy for the money?
Really can’t beat the regular K&F nano VND when it comes to bang for the buck
@@WesPerry do you have an affiliate link to the right one? There's so many that are similar. Mainly shoot surfing videos in bright California sunlight.
It’s the one in the description that I called “their previous model filters”
Thanks!Very useful,so the new version is called x series,the previous version you mentioned is the D version?
Thanks!Very useful,so the new version is called x series,the previous version you mentioned is the D version?