@@victorrenanleitao5438 no one wants to wait the several hours for level 1 charging vs an hour or so for level 2. No charging in public charging stations at level 1
fortnine made a whole video about these and they're pretty good, can-am used to make some dirtbikes decades ago, range is an issue just usually accepted and already in progress of being addressed when it comes to electric motorcycles, but that price though.
Can Am (and others who make electric motorcycles) did themselves dirty by trying to build and market an electric ADV. That is NOT where electrification's strengths lie. They should be pushing electric supermotos, dirt bikes, scooters, and small urban commuter motorcycles. Those categories benefit the most from electrification's strengths and suffer the least from its weaknesses.
These bikes look great, but they suffer from the same problem all e motorcycles have, PRICE. For the same amount of money, you could have a Honda Africa Twin with hundreds of miles of range. Instead, you're paying Africa Twin price and getting NX500 performance with less range. No thanks.
I am a Tesla owner and former Can-Am motocross racer “ back in the day”. I’m an active motorcyclist for over 40 years now currently owning sport touring and cruiser model BMW’s. I was thrilled to see my childhood dirtbike company that I loved so much announce that they were coming back to make motorcycles 😊. HOWEVER, why oh why did they go the EV route on such a small scale. These appear to be bikes made for beginners, but the problem is a beginner is not going to spend $16,000 on a bike that you could only go 60 miles on the highway with. I’m hoping this was by design in order to get the attention of the marketplace. They built a very cute little commuter/beginner EV Motorcycle here but boy am I hoping to see a new Can-Am gas powered Rotax motor Adventure motorcycle that will make the BMW R 1300 GS look dated!!! That is what the world wants to see! Can-Am , build that gas powered full size adventure, bike, and you will be back in the Motorcycle big league at the top of the pack with tons of orders.
@@DonGoldstein-b7q spot on, except to revive gas bikes. But I agree. They are late to the market and bring a concept that is way more expensive the price of what Zero offers for the same performance. Bad on you, can-am. Disappointing
In concept, I think these are great bikes. Practicality is the issue. The huge drawback for these bikes is you can't go any appreciable distance without range anxiety. If you get out away from town and run out of power it's not like you can whip out a solar panel for more juice.
Does the S2 feel like a downgrade to the Livewire One? I have a Zero SR/F and S9.8. The Origin has my interest as well. I am a bit concerned about the range being that low though. It's city range is lower than the SR/F's highway range.
@@AdventuresonZero that makes sense. They don't look like different classes of bikes, though. I noticed you have lots of EV motorcycle content, so I'll have to check out your videos.
It’s an answer to a question no one is asking. I commute every day on my motorcycle, go weeks between fills that cost $20. And I can also ride it across the country. Why would one buy this, pay extra insurance, registration, etc to save $20 a month on gas, and still need a ICE bike for trips?
I would never tell someone like you, whose current bike works great for their situation, and is fine with any "downsides" of gas bikes (maintenance, more parts, noise), that you should get this bike. But for someone like me, who doesn't have a motorcycle and wasn't particularly interested before, something like this looks amazing to me. I love that it's near silent, that it's got some nice technology, and has basically no maintenance. If I could actually afford it, I would love to have this thing. I think it may be awhile before electric motorcycles are ready to replace gas motorcycles for people who already have and love their gas motorcycles. But it could be opening up some new avenues for people who haven't gotten into motorcycles before, like me.
For trips, no, bad choice. But for commuting I have to disagree. I have been a diehard motorcycle commuter for many years (10k+ miles per year) and have commuted with every style of bike imaginable. Because of the miles being piled on, all required frequent maintenance and multiple gas-station stops per week. Compare that to my old ugly 2017 Zero S, 0 maintenance, 0 gas station stops. Literally just tires. I save close to 12 hours per year that I used to spend dealing with gassing up in the baking Texas sun. What do I do with those 12 hours I saved? I work on my other motorcycle projects of course. My daily has a job to do: get me to work and don't waste my time. Nothing better than an electric motorcycle for that job.
If you live in a city / urban environment, then this would be marketed towards you. Electric vehicles don't require gas and have MINIMUM maintenance requirements. I DONT UNDERSTAND why that's a bad thing
Good review 👍🏼 This bike is for me the price is for someone else who makes more money 😂 9-10k might be my limit after 14,000 i would prob buy a Live wire or Zero. or save plenty cash and buy a 98v Altis Sigma Dirtbike 70+ mph 💨
I watched a Canadian guy reviewing these things a few weeks ago. He said because of the horribly short range the Origin was worthless for its' intended purpose which is to RIDE on the roads to get to the trails. That's the whole point behind a dual-sport/adventure bike. He had to trailer his to the trail he tested it on so he could test its' trail capability because it didn't have enough range to ride there and back. Add in the fact they're asking $16,000 for it. If you're not looking for an adventure style bike that same $16,000 can get you a base model Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello that has nearly triple the HP and will still get far more range. If you do want an adventure bike with a similar 47hp rating a CF Moto IBEX450 is $6,500. These things are over priced city bikes and will remain as such until they find some ground breaking battery tech. They are not worth the asking price by any means. Plus the resale value on a pre-owned electric motorcycle would be horrendous. Learning to use clutch shouldn't be an issue for new riders if they're interested in riding bike to begin with. If it's such a problem then they can just buy the new Honda CB650 with the e-clutch on it. Which goes for $9,400 msrp. Still far more bike than this for two-thirds the cost.
It's the first time I've seen the details. It definitely looks like a motorcycle mechanically. People ride e-fatbikes and e-scooters here in winter. I think motorcycles are still illegal in winter.
It would be cool, if it was a lot cheaper. Can do a lot better just buying a Zero, and then there's also the used market for those. Couldn't see myself paying MORE for LESS.
Now im not a bike guy, I am a car guy who wants to expand to bikes. I also really like electric PEV's. I dont hate electric cars(except for Teslas, I hate Teslas), i just hate we're being forced to replace ICE with them. I want my V8's and inline 6's, but i also like going 70 on a standup scooter because I'm slightly insane so I like the idea of an electric motorcycle. Regular ones never appealed to me and if the market for them expands, odds are I will end up getting into gas bikes too, so Im glad to see that there are now more options
I like the idea of them but they are not my cup of tea as I fall into the first group of riders( long distance on a Sunday) you mentioned and they seem pretty soulless to me and they are far to expensive. The only electric vehicle I would own at this time is a pushbike. That way when the battery goes flat I can use the peddles to get home.
I've bought two Royal Enfields for the cost of this bike, both have longer range and one of them can go faster. I truly struggle to find any reason to buy one these over a normal bike for half the cost and just as much power. Learning to use a clutch isn't hard, I never rode a motorcycle prior to being medically discharged for a TBI that has ruined my short term memory and it still became pretty easy within a few weeks.
The Origin looks cool, but with the range and price of these things they may not sell well. Many options for other motorcycles at or under this price range. These aren’t even close to an entry level price point and if you want an auto a Honda DCT motorcycle or a scooter may be a better option. No gas no sale.
Can´t understand the argument that it's to expensive! With that argument every EV is to expensive for you guys. Why pay 1000's of dollars for a Tesla when you can buy a gas car? An electric motorcycle is not to be compared to a ICE bike, it's a completely different experience. The silence, the instant torque, no gear shiftning (how many americans drive a manual stick car?), no vibrations, no gas bill, no smelly exhaust, no oilchanges....I'm very interesting in having the Can-am Origin to acompany my 21 Zero FX in a nearby future.
A silent bike is a deadly bike.... The noise from a bike's muffler is a huge element in making cars and pedestrians aware that you are in their space or approaching. No thanks to a stealth bike!
Your safety is your responsibility. As a rider for many years, this is a stupid excuse to not go electric. You shouldn’t rely on others for your safety. Besides, the joy of no noise and no exhaust fumes is exhilarating. You have to ride one to understand that
@@victorrenanleitao5438 I have ridden an electric and it IS a LOT more dangerous to ride vs. a gas powered bike. A smart rider does not "rely" on others for their safety- they take into consideration ALL elements that contribute toward a safe riding experience. A silent bike is a big risk that is not worth taking -especially in urban riding environments... PS- Unless you are riding your bike backwards it is hard to get exhaust fumes in your face... Thanks for sharing your opinion. Unfortunately it is absence of any strong logic to support riding silent...
@@christiana8820 just another typical excuse from someone that seems to have never ridden an electric bike. They are not completely silent. Besides, when riding in urban environments with noise pollution coming from everywhere, would that really make a difference?? No. Man, I grew up riding in a big city, seeing bikes zipping through cars in split lanes and honking their horns. Being gas or electric with no noise wouldn’t make any difference. Riding safely and knowing how to ride, paying attention to others is what makes you safe. About fumes, I said for a reason. You do get a tone of stench on clothes. I had a tall crossover that would make it worse, but I had the same from other bikes. I never have the same from my Zero, so it’s perfect as a commuter.
@@victorrenanleitao5438 Just another typical reply from an electric bike rider who has more power in his bike battery than what is inside his helmet.....
Here in Sweden they cost 21500 usd...That's too expensive for a commuter bike with a super small battery, with that pricing it will be a flop, thats just my 2 cents!
The riding range issue is gonna be a MOOT POINT in a few weeks. Boron Nitride Nanotubes-based Supercapacitors will boost that range for this bike alone to almost a 1000 miles (1600 km)! CanAm, ZERO Bikes, Polaris, Yamaha, Honda, BMW, Harley, etc will be getting a few battery samples within a few months. First NEW long-range (1000+ miles) all-EV bikes should be out by next summer 2025! V
Yeah, batteries need to get more dense before these are REALLY ready to become big in the motorcycle space, but on the plus side, this only takes like $1 to fully charge at home.
i wonder if its possible to turn atv's into adv bikes, they made some of the fastest and biggest atv's, if they did, thats going to be the new big boy in town could probably defeat the 1250gsa's in market.
I have an EV but would never buy an electric motorcycle. The whole point why I drive an EV is because it's cheap to own and find it a superior ride quality compared to my ICE car. These type of qualities I could care less about when riding a motorcycle; in fact I want to be heard with a stupid loud exhaust and they're already fuel efficient as it is.
The range on the origin works for me and how close I am to trails ……. But for that range the price needs to be 4 numbers not 5
Absolutely a commuter urban city bike. However that price tag will keep riders away.
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Totally. Buy a Zero FX for the same performance in the city. No need for level 2 charge in the city
@@victorrenanleitao5438 no one wants to wait the several hours for level 1 charging vs an hour or so for level 2. No charging in public charging stations at level 1
fortnine made a whole video about these and they're pretty good, can-am used to make some dirtbikes decades ago, range is an issue just usually accepted and already in progress of being addressed when it comes to electric motorcycles, but that price though.
Can Am (and others who make electric motorcycles) did themselves dirty by trying to build and market an electric ADV. That is NOT where electrification's strengths lie. They should be pushing electric supermotos, dirt bikes, scooters, and small urban commuter motorcycles. Those categories benefit the most from electrification's strengths and suffer the least from its weaknesses.
the Origin isn't an ADV, it's more of a dual sport like a CRF300L
Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
So, no.
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That's awesome you were able to test ride these. I saw you guys cruising the back roads in Austin last week on these bike!
These bikes look great, but they suffer from the same problem all e motorcycles have, PRICE. For the same amount of money, you could have a Honda Africa Twin with hundreds of miles of range. Instead, you're paying Africa Twin price and getting NX500 performance with less range. No thanks.
I am a Tesla owner and former Can-Am motocross racer “ back in the day”. I’m an active motorcyclist for over 40 years now currently owning sport touring and cruiser model BMW’s. I was thrilled to see my childhood dirtbike company that I loved so much announce that they were coming back to make motorcycles 😊. HOWEVER, why oh why did they go the EV route on such a small scale. These appear to be bikes made for beginners, but the problem is a beginner is not going to spend $16,000 on a bike that you could only go 60 miles on the highway with. I’m hoping this was by design in order to get the attention of the marketplace. They built a very cute little commuter/beginner EV Motorcycle here but boy am I hoping to see a new Can-Am gas powered Rotax motor Adventure motorcycle that will make the BMW R 1300 GS look dated!!! That is what the world wants to see!
Can-Am , build that gas powered full size adventure, bike, and you will be back in the Motorcycle big league at the top of the pack with tons of orders.
Won't happen. Like it or not, the big "B" was clear that the Can-Am name was revived only for electric products.
@@DonGoldstein-b7q spot on, except to revive gas bikes. But I agree. They are late to the market and bring a concept that is way more expensive the price of what Zero offers for the same performance. Bad on you, can-am. Disappointing
It's not a good value but if someone wants an electric motorcycle they dont have many choices. At least the origin looks cool.
it needs larger battery. like maybe around 15 to 20 kwh. then maybe some amount of touring can be done with charging stops every 250 to 300 kms.
In concept, I think these are great bikes. Practicality is the issue. The huge drawback for these bikes is you can't go any appreciable distance without range anxiety. If you get out away from town and run out of power it's not like you can whip out a solar panel for more juice.
the Maeving RM1S has removable batteries that can be charged anywhere….making it a better option to reduce range anxiety
I have the LiveWire one and s2 Del Mar, and the origin really excites me.
Does the S2 feel like a downgrade to the Livewire One?
I have a Zero SR/F and S9.8. The Origin has my interest as well. I am a bit concerned about the range being that low though. It's city range is lower than the SR/F's highway range.
@@churchofmarcus not at all, that’s like comparing a road glide to a wr250r - completely different platforms and purposes
@@AdventuresonZero that makes sense. They don't look like different classes of bikes, though. I noticed you have lots of EV motorcycle content, so I'll have to check out your videos.
It’s an answer to a question no one is asking. I commute every day on my motorcycle, go weeks between fills that cost $20. And I can also ride it across the country. Why would one buy this, pay extra insurance, registration, etc to save $20 a month on gas, and still need a ICE bike for trips?
I would never tell someone like you, whose current bike works great for their situation, and is fine with any "downsides" of gas bikes (maintenance, more parts, noise), that you should get this bike. But for someone like me, who doesn't have a motorcycle and wasn't particularly interested before, something like this looks amazing to me. I love that it's near silent, that it's got some nice technology, and has basically no maintenance. If I could actually afford it, I would love to have this thing.
I think it may be awhile before electric motorcycles are ready to replace gas motorcycles for people who already have and love their gas motorcycles. But it could be opening up some new avenues for people who haven't gotten into motorcycles before, like me.
@@joshread3740 all good points. If it brings more people to the riding world who wouldn’t otherwise be there, that would be good too. Cheers.
For trips, no, bad choice. But for commuting I have to disagree. I have been a diehard motorcycle commuter for many years (10k+ miles per year) and have commuted with every style of bike imaginable. Because of the miles being piled on, all required frequent maintenance and multiple gas-station stops per week. Compare that to my old ugly 2017 Zero S, 0 maintenance, 0 gas station stops. Literally just tires. I save close to 12 hours per year that I used to spend dealing with gassing up in the baking Texas sun.
What do I do with those 12 hours I saved? I work on my other motorcycle projects of course. My daily has a job to do: get me to work and don't waste my time. Nothing better than an electric motorcycle for that job.
If you live in a city / urban environment, then this would be marketed towards you.
Electric vehicles don't require gas and have MINIMUM maintenance requirements. I DONT UNDERSTAND why that's a bad thing
Is that a Mennekes adapter? Why on earth would they not use J1772 or NACS?
Demo bikes. The model that goes on sale will probably be J1772.
Good review 👍🏼 This bike is for me the price is for someone else who makes more money 😂 9-10k might be my limit after 14,000 i would prob buy a Live wire or Zero. or save plenty cash and buy a 98v Altis Sigma Dirtbike 70+ mph 💨
good video review, poor product with virtually no customer base
I watched a Canadian guy reviewing these things a few weeks ago. He said because of the horribly short range the Origin was worthless for its' intended purpose which is to RIDE on the roads to get to the trails. That's the whole point behind a dual-sport/adventure bike. He had to trailer his to the trail he tested it on so he could test its' trail capability because it didn't have enough range to ride there and back. Add in the fact they're asking $16,000 for it. If you're not looking for an adventure style bike that same $16,000 can get you a base model Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello that has nearly triple the HP and will still get far more range. If you do want an adventure bike with a similar 47hp rating a CF Moto IBEX450 is $6,500.
These things are over priced city bikes and will remain as such until they find some ground breaking battery tech. They are not worth the asking price by any means. Plus the resale value on a pre-owned electric motorcycle would be horrendous. Learning to use clutch shouldn't be an issue for new riders if they're interested in riding bike to begin with. If it's such a problem then they can just buy the new Honda CB650 with the e-clutch on it. Which goes for $9,400 msrp. Still far more bike than this for two-thirds the cost.
Trail 125 gang 4 life
It's the first time I've seen the details. It definitely looks like a motorcycle mechanically.
People ride e-fatbikes and e-scooters here in winter. I think motorcycles are still illegal in winter.
It would be cool, if it was a lot cheaper.
Can do a lot better just buying a Zero, and then there's also the used market for those. Couldn't see myself paying MORE for LESS.
Now im not a bike guy, I am a car guy who wants to expand to bikes. I also really like electric PEV's. I dont hate electric cars(except for Teslas, I hate Teslas), i just hate we're being forced to replace ICE with them. I want my V8's and inline 6's, but i also like going 70 on a standup scooter because I'm slightly insane so I like the idea of an electric motorcycle. Regular ones never appealed to me and if the market for them expands, odds are I will end up getting into gas bikes too, so Im glad to see that there are now more options
*already charging bike 5 minutes into the review*
I'm not an EV person by any means but couldn't this also happen with a gas motorcycle? Lol.
@@tylerfitzgerald266 No. Gas is infinite.
@@lackoliver55that’s a crazy ass statement lmao
I like the idea of them but they are not my cup of tea as I fall into the first group of riders( long distance on a Sunday) you mentioned and they seem pretty soulless to me and they are far to expensive. The only electric vehicle I would own at this time is a pushbike. That way when the battery goes flat I can use the peddles to get home.
I would like to have one, it suits my riding fine, but is about double what I might pay. Just too pricey for what it offers.
I've bought two Royal Enfields for the cost of this bike, both have longer range and one of them can go faster. I truly struggle to find any reason to buy one these over a normal bike for half the cost and just as much power. Learning to use a clutch isn't hard, I never rode a motorcycle prior to being medically discharged for a TBI that has ruined my short term memory and it still became pretty easy within a few weeks.
Rolling forward on the throttle increases the braking? WTH!? Don't you roll forward to increase speed?
I would ride that to Sturgis and back!!
30 miles to Sturgis and 30 miles back. What an epic ride.
The Origin looks cool, but with the range and price of these things they may not sell well. Many options for other motorcycles at or under this price range. These aren’t even close to an entry level price point and if you want an auto a Honda DCT motorcycle or a scooter may be a better option. No gas no sale.
Can´t understand the argument that it's to expensive! With that argument every EV is to expensive for you guys. Why pay 1000's of dollars for a Tesla when you can buy a gas car? An electric motorcycle is not to be compared to a ICE bike, it's a completely different experience. The silence, the instant torque, no gear shiftning (how many americans drive a manual stick car?), no vibrations, no gas bill, no smelly exhaust, no oilchanges....I'm very interesting in having the Can-am Origin to acompany my 21 Zero FX in a nearby future.
Naa, the price and range combo not good at all. They do look cool.
Touring bikes will be better for the E motorcycle future..they already look the part😎✌️
Too expensive
A silent bike is a deadly bike.... The noise from a bike's muffler is a huge element in making cars and pedestrians aware that you are in their space or approaching. No thanks to a stealth bike!
Loud bikes are annoying. Sounds like just an excuse to liberate the 17 year old in you.
Your safety is your responsibility. As a rider for many years, this is a stupid excuse to not go electric. You shouldn’t rely on others for your safety. Besides, the joy of no noise and no exhaust fumes is exhilarating. You have to ride one to understand that
@@victorrenanleitao5438 I have ridden an electric and it IS a LOT more dangerous to ride vs. a gas powered bike. A smart rider does not "rely" on others for their safety- they take into consideration ALL elements that contribute toward a safe riding experience. A silent bike is a big risk that is not worth taking -especially in urban riding environments... PS- Unless you are riding your bike backwards it is hard to get exhaust fumes in your face... Thanks for sharing your opinion. Unfortunately it is absence of any strong logic to support riding silent...
@@christiana8820 just another typical excuse from someone that seems to have never ridden an electric bike. They are not completely silent. Besides, when riding in urban environments with noise pollution coming from everywhere, would that really make a difference?? No. Man, I grew up riding in a big city, seeing bikes zipping through cars in split lanes and honking their horns. Being gas or electric with no noise wouldn’t make any difference. Riding safely and knowing how to ride, paying attention to others is what makes you safe.
About fumes, I said for a reason. You do get a tone of stench on clothes. I had a tall crossover that would make it worse, but I had the same from other bikes. I never have the same from my Zero, so it’s perfect as a commuter.
@@victorrenanleitao5438 Just another typical reply from an electric bike rider who has more power in his bike battery than what is inside his helmet.....
I hope ya'll found some good tacos at least.
Here in Sweden they cost 21500 usd...That's too expensive for a commuter bike with a super small battery, with that pricing it will be a flop, thats just my 2 cents!
The 'Pulse' is an interesting name. Especially after the exploding pagers.
Do you think Mossad intercepted the bikes and added explosives to the Pulse?
Nope and nope.
Waiting for the CF MOTO MT 450 😊
Come on BRP, bring back Can-Am bikes with combustion engines like you had in the 70s & 80s.
Stupid useless bike, 😂 it’s gonna flop
The riding range issue is gonna be a MOOT POINT in a few weeks. Boron Nitride Nanotubes-based Supercapacitors will boost that range for this bike alone to almost a 1000 miles (1600 km)! CanAm, ZERO Bikes, Polaris, Yamaha, Honda, BMW, Harley, etc will be getting a few battery samples within a few months. First NEW long-range (1000+ miles) all-EV bikes should be out by next summer 2025!
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Great content but as for either of the bikes, Meh.
Tldw: nope
holy crap my gas hog 1000cc bike has better range than this. that's crazy
Yeah, batteries need to get more dense before these are REALLY ready to become big in the motorcycle space, but on the plus side, this only takes like $1 to fully charge at home.
Can Am should be making an ICE bike.
i wonder if its possible to turn atv's into adv bikes, they made some of the fastest and biggest atv's, if they did, thats going to be the new big boy in town could probably defeat the 1250gsa's in market.
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I have an EV but would never buy an electric motorcycle. The whole point why I drive an EV is because it's cheap to own and find it a superior ride quality compared to my ICE car. These type of qualities I could care less about when riding a motorcycle; in fact I want to be heard with a stupid loud exhaust and they're already fuel efficient as it is.
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Next time you do a video, drink an energy drink first. This is the dullest bike review I’ve seen in quite a while.