141 R 1244 - Perhaps the loudest steam locomotive in Europe ?!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2021
- 141 R 1244 was built in 1946 at the Canadian locomotive factory "Montreal Locomotive Works" for the French state railways and put into operation on March 25, 1947. Since 1975 it has been looked after by the "Mikado 1244" association and used in front of special trains. From June 26th Until June 30th, 2015 she took part in the big Gotthard tour of the IGE Erlebnisreisen and was able to loudly prove her performance.
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The landscape is so clean and picturesque, it looks like a layout.
Beautiful engines and scenery. Very well done!
Respekt ,die Schweiz und Ihre Eisenbahn !!
Von der Logistik ,Taktung,schaft das kein anderes
Europäisches Land !!
Respekt ,Hut ab ,macht weiter so ,den Güter gehören auf die Bahn !!!!
Respekt Danke.
Sie ist laut und mit knapp 3000 Ps auch stark -- und sie hat sicher die schönste "Pfeife" weit und breit !
Seit 18 Jahren bin ich Mitglied vom Verein Mikado und fast jeden Samstag in Brugg an der Arbeit.
Rund um die 141 R, die Ae 4/7, Ae 6/6, Ae 3/6, alle die Traktoren und Wagen ist es mir noch nie langweilig
gewesen. Wer sehen möchte, wie es auf dem Führerstand zu und her geht, sollte sich den Film " Fahrt auf der
Mikado 141 R von Brugg nach Altstetten " ansehen ! Mit Gruss Rudolf Hürlimann
Danke Jungs, auf DEN Film hab ich mich sehr gefreut! Eindrucksvolle Lok in eindrucksvoller Landschaft😊👍🏻
Some fantastic and clear video there, with beautifully presented steam locos. Thankyou for sharing.
The shot of the curve with the stone wall looks like a very meticulous model until the live steam shows up !
Sehr schönes Video mit tollen Szenen mit der 141 R 1244.
Vielen Dank, Daumen sehr weit nach Oben
und viele liebe Grüße
Andreas
The 5 chime whistle sounds great and fits on a 141r especially with boxpok drivers.
Great video of two beautiful locomotives....good job!
Nicely done. Subbed. Reminds me of my time in France, Germany, et al in 1971. Love the old steamers (either oil or coal fired).
Super Film über eine tolle Lok in einer schönen Landschaft.👌
Truly excellent! Thanks!
2:50 bis 3:02 Gänsehaut mit Tränen in den Augen aber vom allerfeinsten 🥲🥲
Beautiful.
Greetings from the high plains of Texas.
I remember 141Rs in France as rather dirty workhorses - but how splendid this one looks, all bulled up!
Wonderful video, thumbs up: )
Vor ich den filmchen Starte es ist die Lauteste, einfach nur ein Geil das Teil . Mindestens ein mal im Jahr muss man damit mitfahren.
How can there be ten thumbs down?! What's not to like about a 141R?!
Beautiful. Even the cat is just right, a sense of humour!
Ich war bei dem Spektakel in Göschenen dabei!!! Ich war mit einigen Freunden dort :-)))
Herzliche Grüße aus Österreich!
"Einfach nur geil".👍👍👍👍
Excellent video, Das ist eine sehr laute Lokomotive!
They are magically beautiful
Kompliment für diesen schönen Film tolle Lok mit wunderschöner Landschaft. Eine Freude 😊 für uns Eisenbahnfans. Die Lok hab ich noch nie gesehen vorher ich bin großer Fan von 01 er und 03 meine liebsten Schätzchen auf der Schiene 🛤 liebe Grüße 🖖 🥰
Como las antiguas no más, qué belleza su compás y el pitar, oh! Hermoso. Amo los trenes europeos!👏💝
Pemandangan alamnya indah 👍👍👍
Very excellent!
She does sound great. Quite an unusual whistle, for a European locomotive, but still attractive.
Schönes Video!
It is just the USRA Standard light Mikado with smoke deflectors, so of course she's loud!
Not quite. Although based on USRA Mikado design they were lighter to run on war damaged track. The whistle is an "Atlantic" made by McAvjty foundry in St John New Brunswick to a Canadian National design ( designed by my father who was in the CN engineering department during WWII and was on the committee negotiating with the Free French for railway hardware).
Although not as fuel efficient as French designs, they were easy to drive, simple to maintain and very reliable.
@@jaswmclark the original whistle is yes, but the one on the 1244 is a CN whistle combined with a lower South African one
A double-header on the last sequence!
0:47 WOW, Fabulous country side !
2:40 people on the far hill, like a band of Apaches.
Hermosa locomotora contaminando!
Grandioser Bergaufstieg
Bei DER Leistung braucht es auch Lautstärke 👍😉
They certainly have the best whistles in Europe!
thats because we combined a US and South African whistle on her ;)
Peter this loco is an oil burner, the "black! " smoke is actually soot from the tubes being cleaned by the fireman, it has no coal in tender and no ash pan under the firebox. beautiful engine, cheers.
hardly cleaned, hes just opened the nozzle to allow more oil to hit the burner, which naturally causes more smoke :)
Beautiful video in spectacular scenery! What's the origin of that great-sounding North American style 5 chime whistle, so unlike the standard French squeaker? It sure quills nicely, and the engineer has a good style on it, especially at c. 2:46. And what was the second engine of the doubleheader in the first and last sequences?
The second loco is a German Class 01 Pacific. As for the whistle, it's not very French but it certainly sounds nice! I can only presume that the owning society wanted to make it feel more at home. Or perhaps they just like American whistles. Well, what's not to like about American whistles?!
@@ronfisher2-railwaytravelvideos Thanks, Ron.
the 141 R is an american locomotive build from 1945 on to replace the locomotives destructed by the actions of WW2.. it's not a french locomotive.
@@jeannotschumacher1024 Yes, I know; that's why I said that perhaps they wanted to make it feel more at home, i.e. America (or Canada), by fitting an American whistle.
For the origin of the whistle, please see my reply to Raymond Leggs.
well done !!!
Vielleicht ist die laut, aber den satten Klang einer 01, 41 oder 52 hat die nicht. Zu höhenlastig, da fehlt Bass.
Video aber wie immer klasse.
Einen voluminösen Bass Sound kann die 141R 1244 nicht haben, da die Lok ein Kylchapp Blassrohr hat. Die 141R 586 klingt aber ganz anders mit dem Rundschlot..
Die 568 am Gotthard gibts zB hier:
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Direkter Vergleich mit 2x 01er ;)
26Promille talwärts Parallel inklusive Störung einer Flugshow...
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@@etzelbox Geile Szenen Olaf. An die Jets kann ich mich auch noch erinnern. Ich stand in Rodi-Fiesso und hab dort die Ausfahrt der beiden 01er gemacht. Beim Warten sind die auch andauernd über uns weggeknallt
Feines Gerät in top Zustand u. keineswegs laut, das muß so.
Klasse, vorn zwei Dampfloks und hinten schiebt noch eine E-Lok ;-)
Great to see these engines so well looked after and running in spectacular scenery. I have, though, a question which somebody may be able to answer. Why are they making so much black smoke whilst at the same time it looks as if their safety valves are blowing off. I would have thought that black smoke would be associated with heavy shovelling of coal into the fire, but if there is more than enough pressure why do that? My understanding is that a well managed fire should only give off a light grey smoke even under hard working. Of course that is based on old British standards on Welsh Steam Coal. Perhaps these locos are forced to use something worse.
Good question! There are several things that could come into play here.
First and foremost; the coal quality does have an enormous effect on smoke production. Difference between batches (even from more or less the same area) can be huge: some burn very clean, others practically start smoking the moment you THINK of shoveling some on the fire. Some coal is just, well, crap. And welsh really was the best - stuff of that standard is simply not available in Europe. And sometimes you have to make do with what the company/club you're running at has on offer.
Second, and perhaps a minor point, is that the safety valves here are not truly blowing off. They're simmering a bit, and depending on the state of them that can happen quite a ways before the actual blowing off point. Some of our locos start rattling and smoking ever so slightly even at 10-11 bars steam pressure, even though they only start blowing at 16 bars. It's when the steaming amps up and you hear them humming that you've gotta watch out.
And third, this is the main line and frankly you gotta do what you gotta do. Now I don't know the machines in this video, but from what I know of our locos (several German types, mostly BR 23 on the main line), they're really working at their peak performance on the main line. It depends a bit on how much weight they're pulling of course, but in general you have to have them fired up right to the max of their working pressure, and with a hot, well-burning fire. Depending on the loco, they can really chew through coal surprisingly quickly at times. And some are very sensitive to "holes" in the fire - they can go down quite suddenly and strongly in pressure, and some locos are very stubborn about getting back to their feet when that happens. With our BR 23's, when they really fall down in pressure, you're kind of done for on the main line.. So even though a loco may be high in pressure, a fireman may see parts of the fire that need tending to BEFORE they come a problem. Or, as mentioned above, the loco simply needs more fuel to stay at that top-of-the-line working pressure. Combine this with the points mentioned above and you can easily get the picture presented in this video.
Also, I'm just now noticing the French loco is oil fired instead of coal fired lol - and oil tends to burn pretty black at all times ;)
@@NamuTheOrca Many thanks for the information folks. Always good to have an expert (or two) on hand!
The usual cause of Black smoke is for the benefit of photographers.
@@peter_cuthbert Hi 2 U As an old fireman I just want to let u know it is not the quality of coal but where u place the coal you actually fire with brains and not muscle Bad coal has effect on the klincker which in turn can have an effect on the steaming of the locomotive
It may be loud ! But it is not loud noise ! It is music !1
Those little babies can scoot! Sure are perty too!!
Plus the echoing SAR 3 chime.
Why is there an electric engine at the rear? Is it being transported somewhere?
Nice looking engines. Is this in France? I never thought of France as beautiful but these scenes certainly are.
No, it is all Switzerland
@@philippmuenchen2553 That explains the awesome beauty. Thanks! I wasn't sure since it's a French engine.
you probably were never in france😄
France is stunningly beautiful.
Beautiful looking and sounding loco the 141 R., but appears to be burning old car engine sump oil!
Power
Splendid loco, loud as other steamers in France. Lots of black smoke or a fuel steam loco. Probably caused by poor quality fuel or poor firing. When a teenager (late 50s) , the steam locos were making this black smoke only exceptionally (cold start) but rapidly it was mostly a white or transparent smoke (depending on injectors).
oil burners always smoke this black. also the quality of the oil isnt seen by howblack the smoke is, but how yellow it gets when the smoke is dissapaiting. we dont run the highest quality crude though as its hard to get in europe
Warum ist da am Schluss ne e-Lok dran, muss die schieben?
Wirklich? Was sind Ihre Vergleichselemente?
Schöne Lokomotive. Etwas schade ist, dass der Zug von einer Elektrolok (die inzwischen auch ein Oldtimer ist) gestossen wird. Das verfälscht das Bild.
Greeeetaaaaaaa
Das sind sehr, sehr schöne Aufnahmen. Aber kann mir einer mal was erklären, bitte:
Warum sind bei solchen "historichen Sonderfahrten" *immer* irgendwelche Diesel- oder E-Loks hinten dran? Als ob die Dampfloks die Züge nicht allein bewältigen könnten.
Als Schublok oder auch Angstlok falls die Dampflok ausfällt👍
Das kann verschiedene Gründe haben:
- Sicherstellung der Stromversorgung der Wagen
- erhöhte Sicherheit: Der Gotthard ist auch für die 141 R kein Pappenstiel, mit der E-Lok steh eine zusätzliche Schublok bei der Bergfahrt und eine zusätzliche Bremse während der Talfahrt zur Verfügung. Zudem kann der Zug im Falle einer Panne aus eigener Kraft weiterfahren oder zumindest das Gleis räumen.
- weniger bürokratischer Zoff mit anderen EVU: in der Schweiz ist der Fahrplan mittlerweile so eng getaktet, dass es kaum noch Lücken für solche Sonderfahrten gibt, entsprechend sind Sonerzüge nicht nur gerne gesehen, sondern werden oft auch als Risiko betrachtet. Zudem werden immer mehr Strecken mit z.B. ETCS ausgestattet und dürfen von Loks ohne entsprechende Ausrüstung nicht mehr befahren werden, weshalb es Sinn machen kann, eine Lok mit entsprechender Ausrüstung mitzuführen, was wiederum bürokratische Hürden abbauen kann.
Ich kann verstehen, dass das den Eisenbahnethusiasten stört. Persönlich kann ich allerdings damit leben, wenn am Ende noch eine E-Lok dranhängt, wenn dadurch die Züge weiter fahren dürfen, zumal die Ae 6/6 mittlerweile selber schon historisch ist.
Gotthard strecke verlangt das bei dampf fahrten immer eine E-lok dabei ist, in diesem fall die Ae 6/6 Gotthard lok Aargau :)
What is used for fuel nowadays?
No obvious coal in the tender, and a filler cap on top of the metal plate over the coal space. I suspect an oil burner.
she uses bunker oil from Holland
Aha. Thanks
Definitely needs more secondary air to the firebox, lots more air. One benefit: less coal required. Besides reduced lung and laundry damage.
Dont the drivers make smoke for the photographers?
This baby is a heavy fuel oil burner. You can't clean her exhaust anymore like those large ships running on heavy oil.
@@kimpatz2189 "Can't" is a heavily overused word. Check out UP Big Boy 4014 burning #5 that needs heating to ~100 C before spraying. For complete combustion, you need to keep temps up (insulate the burner area) and thoroughly mix in adequate air. US warships, cans to carriers, burning residual NSFO very seldom showed more than a light haze from the stacks. Of course, on a loco you also need a knowledgeable and attentive fireman. We're missing the usual French attention to detail here.
ÎMI PLACE . O D din Comănești - Romania .
Das ist deutlich. 😋
🤣🤣🤣 besser kann man es nicht sagen
Blamage dass bei Dampflokfahrten immer eine Diesel- oder E-Lok helfen muss. Trucky.
ist obligatorisch auf der gotthard strecke
IF STEAM ENGINES COULD HAVE TURBOCHARGERS , THIS WOULD BE THE SOUND!!
well she has 2 turbos :D she runs 2 steam turbine dynamos ;)
Düsen Motor Flugzeug fliegt Tief..
I wish I could buy a 141R in N scale. One that I can afford, anyway.
Europe power
0:38 : Wer hat denn diesen scheusslichen Kasten genehmigt?
Dieser "scheussliche Kasten" ist das Spital von Luzern ! Falls Du mal zufällig dort drin
zur Behandlung bist, kannst Du um diesen Kasten froh sein ! Mit Gruss Rudolf Hürlimann
Einfacher Schornstein, aber Ölfeuerung, die muss Krach machen bei dem Kessel.
ja das macht sie :) und ein klapf beim anzünden!
Showing the EU flag to connote “Europe” is incorrect. There are sovereign states outside the EU that are also in Europe. EG, Switzerland. Norway, U.K., Kosovo, Turkey…
Most people around the world will understand the EU flag as meaning Europe.
@@visionsofhere3745 How do you know? The EU isn't even a sovereign state, let alone a continent.
Only one gripe; damn diesel at the back 👎 otherwise very good!👍
Its an electric loco. Notice the pantograph... Far lighter than any diesel loco and can do most things like providing power to the coaches or air brake booster and dynamic braking and a back up.
@@kimpatz2189 I believe you are right that the use of a diesel/electric with historic trains like this is for dynamic braking
@@Azerkeux its actually because its a requirement for steam locos ont he gotthard route to have an electric loco on the back incase she bogs down as its an important route. at least the rear locos from the same time period as the 141r :) 1950s
Schönes Video, aber ne Black Five oder 555.3008 Mazutka sind doch eindeutig lauter.
IMMER mit Angstlok?
gotthard strecke ist es obligatorisch, wir fahren die 141r oft ohne angstlok, aber auf der strecke ist es obligatorisch
Nice Polluting Locomotive.
You must be one of the thumbs down people. Of course, your own personal carbon footprint is nil........
i've heard louder trains
Moagnifiqke !
A. Loecher die schweiz ist noch nicht europa. Da sie nicht so dumme leute sind