@@123Woo-u8z lmfaoo we're all gurranq and every time we get new elden ring content we just eat it up with the minecraft eating sound and then say "more...MOREE!!" "another one, another one" 🤣
@@Jakem763 There wouldn't be a BB without Sony to begin with. Not saying anyone should be thanking Sony for anything, I'm saying they own it for a reason. A business deal is a business deal. But, again, this deal is how we got BB.
the radahn lore was kinda uncalled for and the memory of miquella - the de facto ending of the dlc - just shows us something we already knew in the first place.
The whole dlc was underwhelming and a huge let down and radahn being final boss is fucking terrible the wost decision every making the final fucking boss a boss we've already fought! 2.5 years for this pile of shit. Love the base game but the dlc is so damn bad!
When you fight Orphan of Kos, you don’t really get a grand ending either. But this is Elden Ring! Where spectacle is expected. I had hoped for some more Miquella stuff and the big ass light portal. The Radahn cutscene was awesome! But Miquella just got on his back and they both die. The memory doesn’t say anything new either.
how about a patch the makes the characters get excited that the elden lord is in their presence. i go beat the final boss.. no one cares. like hey hewg i slayed a god with your weapon how do you feel?
I speculate that Kenneth appointing the player knighthood is cut content. Think about it. It would've been a perfect start for a covenant. Rip covenants :(
Dark Souls ending felt great because there wasn't more to understand, we got the story we were meant to get. But Elden Ring clearly has a much grander narrative that we've no glimpse of and I want more lol EDIT: Don't get me wrong I've never had more fun theorizing over a game, it just kills me to know there's a 1000-page long manuscript written by GRRM in Miyazaki's safe somewhere and I WANT IT
Unfortunately for all of us, George RR Martin can't finish his magnum opus, what hope does a side project have for real completion? I hated the elden ring endings. A 30 second cutscene of a chair, or 1 minute of ranni, 1 minute of fire? Felt like a cop out. Same as fucking radahn being some undead consort retrofitted into the story, and Godfrey being wholly ignored. The gloam eyed queen, anything there? Nope, just more cryptic 5 line item descriptions that dozens of lore channels have to interpret
@@jty9631 I wanna write stories set in this world bc it’s all so intriguing but I can’t bc it’s all just speculation lol. Just a book with the most basic lore set out would fix my brain
That final cut scene was so dissatisfying for me. After that big boss fight and finally reaching the crucible, I was so excited to see what would happen and explore the crucible gate, but then we literally just got a shot of Miquella talking, and you couldn't even jump up to touch the divine gate. I was really like, is this it?
I know, I liked the DLC but the lore fell a bit flat. All we got from Miquella is that he wanted to be Radahn’s consort. Like yep, you’ve said that 3 times now, we get that you want to bang your bro 🤦🏻♂️ it felt rushed. If this is truly the final chapter, then that was a missed opportunity. We needed a bit more to flesh things out. Messmer was the star the show lol
I loved elden ring. But the DLC didnt end well and i feel strangely unfulfilled after finishing. It just feels like massive cuts in story or the game in general occured.
Same, I beat the final boss and thought I must have missed something. I guess I expected some kind of epilogue to end things with a note of finality, but no, you just beat the boss and... there just isn't anything after that. All the NPCs were dead, so there wasn't anyone to talk to that would basically confirm you were done. No credits roll. It's like walking down a path that just ends abruptly in the middle of nowhere.
@@Greywander87 add to that there is no dialogue from any base game NPCs that you killed Miquella, not even from Gideon that is obsessed with him (you can't even tell Gideon about the DLC). So, so many aspects of this game feel like From needed legit 4 more years to finish it, and it got pushed out at 40% complete. Extremely, extremely disappointing.
But from a artistic perspective especially if you have integrity it's old and overdone. This is just another iteration of something that dates back to demon souls. Older than many new fans to fromsoft even. Even the beloved bloodborne while it did make some ACTUAL changes and innovations is ultimately still much like it's souls brothers. Only the new armored core game and Sekiro was something we got recent(ish) that is genuinely new and innovative. I doubt Miyazaki wants to be some prisoner by his own "fans" that just want him to churn out Dark souls 5 6 7 8 ect. But that would be the death of fromsoft and he knows it.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Lmao, bro is still on the fallacy of "it's not innovative". Who gives a shit, bro? The games are GOOD. All of them. Armored core 6 is literally the same shit as AC 5, 4, 3 and etc and it's GOOD. That's what matters.
I think Godwyn was chosen because he was Maikas only perfect child. Morgott, mohg, Miquella, Malenia, (Melina?), are all cursed in some way shape or form. (Bodyless? Melina is a mystery)
Morgott and Mohg were shunned because of their nature as Omens and Marika’s trauma towards the Hornsent. Miquella was forever a child whilst Malenia was harbouring the Outer God of Rot. I think Messmer and Melina were shunned by Marika because of their potential to be ‘kindling’ capable of burning down the central symbol of the Golden Order, the Erdtree. But I was hoping a new DLC would give details on Melina’s backstory😊
I think he was chosen for the only reason that he has a twin and that said twin was Ranni. They both were "Killed" during this night, but they shared their death. One died in body, the other one in soul. Ranni was close to the Black knife, and needed to die in body because it was a step to be free of the greater will influence. Miquella follow a similar yet different path, by discarding his body through the DLC probably for the same reason. Melina though, is a complete mystery. She has links to the black knives as well, to Ranni, she is a frenzy flame hater, has a unique eye that we don't know what it is doing, is the sister of Mesmer and shares the same vision of fire which could link to the fire giant as well, as you need their forge (And there's a lot of Messmer like spears everywhere in the moutaintop)... But yeah, these are pieces but nothing seems to connect them which is pretty sad.
@@-v0n- Ranni wasn't Godwyn's twin, though. She was of Radagon and Rennalla, whilst Godwyn was of Marika and Godfrey. Ranni simply needed another demigod to die at the same time so she could split the cursemark of death between her body and another's soul.
given that the dlc hints that Marika was aligned with the hornsent at some point (with all of that "betrayal" talks), the Numen women might have targeted Godwyn directly as revenge for whatever Marika did while aligned with the hornsent. Maybe she even helped them hunt shamans, just for the chance to access the Gate of Divinity (and with that hypothesis you would assume that her grief and desire for vengeance must have come from the death of someone specific/some specific people that were close to her, not just shamans in general)
To me it feels as if at some point they did a complete 180 on the direction of the DLC. I think there's evidence in the lack of cutscenes for main story bosses, disconnected lore, underwhelming ending/final cutscene, some largely unused open areas in DLC map. Things were definitely rushed. I do hope we get another dlc to finalize this story. Some definitive GEQ lore and Godwyn lore to justify reviving Radahn would be all I needed.
@@syckray Its a fucking video game set in a fantasy world. Godwyn having his soul "killed" means jack shit. They can easily come up with some bs to revive him.
@@iskarothso we fix broken holes in the plot of elden ring by making even more holes in already established lore bits got it as much as I wanted godwyn him magically being resurrected would make zero sense since the dlc takes place before becoming an elden lord so you basically fix plot holes in the dlc by making some in the main game which is dumb
@@syckray What's your point? Plenty better options with their souls intact. Malenia has her soul too. Wouldn't it make more sense to let Malenia die and resurrect her? Why Radahn? Not one instance in the main game even remotely addressed any type of relationship between Radahn and Miquella, apart from both having seats at the council. Furthermore, choosing a bloodthirsty warmonger as a consort for the so called "Age of Compassion" makes no sense. They could even choose to merge Malenia's soul with Godwyn's festering body and give us a proper final boss instead of bringing back Radahn, who until this point had a satisfying ending to his story in the main game. If everything is justified, I ask you to tell me one good reason WHY Radahn.
@@mikeoxlong403 The reason why it has to be Radahn from a story perspective is that in the main game the war between Malenia and Radahn was established, yet the reason for the war is curiously unknown. All this time we wondered why Malenia went on her campaign and it turns out it was to kill Radahn, because he wouldn't honor his vow. It even harks back to a tiny detail of Malenia saying something we can't understand to him in the story trailer. That is the connection between these two characters. From a lore perspective, Radahn being a warmonger speaks to the sinister nature of Miquellas age of compassion. Miquella will attempt to take everyone's free will and anyone who won't be charmed is a danger and will be erradicated. (Which Miquellas Light spell also implies in the description.) Secondly, you have to understand that Miquellas mind is that of a child and him just getting really obsessed with Radahn is very much in character.
I really want an Elden Ring 2 or at least another dlc covering the two npcs we got next to nothing more about in shadow of the erdtree. Like Miyazaki has to know at this point that the Gloam eyed Queen is one of the most mysterious and popular figures in the story to fans and why was the sky in that shade of purple in the trailer? Like cmon. We need something.
I’ve spent so much time digging into the lore of Elden Ring that I feel like ending on SOTE leaves so many things unanswered. I know that’s been From’s modus operandi, but this is such a great opportunity to explore more about Melina, the Gloam-Eyed Queen and Godwyn. I was hoping the last DLC would focus on themes of finality and death - both as a concept and as a source of power. Still, I’m just happy they released something as amazing as SOTE
Y'all keep bringing up Godwyn acting like his entire story wasn't wrapped up in the base game. We just don't know why he was chosen. However we know his soul is dead and gone with no hope of being brought back. As well as his body is essentially unlikable. Miquella tried and FAILED to do both. His story and quest is done.
@@JeffMonsoon I disagree about Godwyn since his role in the lore starts and ends at “first demigod to die”, but I do want more stuff about the Godskins and the Gloam-Eyed Queen
@@BLP04melina is the gloam eyed queen at this point. It would make sense why we don’t get anymore with her because marika and her got into a fight and Melina’s body was killed but her soul remained. She used her soul to burn the erdtree for us. Godwyn is done with if you take what I say factual. If you look at fias quest and you complete it you get the mending rune of the death-prince. That item is godwyn. He is death now. The golden order doesn’t know what death is and with the new age of that lord it’ll bring death to the lands between. Body doesn’t mean an actual body. It means physically in Elden ring. Death is a physical aspect.
@Noctislolig people just have a hard on for him for some reason. He has some cool lore, yea, but I don't get it either. His story was wrapped in base game outside of why he was chosen. And I don't think he could have even with the rune of death. I forget where exactly but since his soul was killed with destined death and not his body, we are told that his body like legit can't die. So even if he (miquella) had the rune of death, it wouldn't make a difference. Hence, his failure at finding a way to grant his body a proper death.
@@Ephyum The golden order knows perfectly well what death is. There's a reason every demigod feared Maliketh who had in his possession the rune of death.
I totally agree: dark souls 3 dlc's ending gave me closure, but, this didn't. I wish they had given us a new ending with miquella, and I wish they didn't made the dlc so disconnected
Tbf Ds3’s dlcs served as a conclusion to the entire Dark Souls series. So they had that sense of finality and narrative weight. Elden Rings dlc was never intended to be the grand conclusion of Elden Ring as a series. To me, I see it as more like an Artorias of the Abyss. A great send off to that specific game, and a fantastic dlc, but obviously not intended to be the final piece of content in that universe.
I fully agree with this. I’m definitely far from ready to leave the Lands Between. I thought the DLC was absolutely incredible. I loved that the Land of Shadow was technically “disconnected” from the Lands Between. They absolutely killed it with a DLC of an open world game.
@@stakesishigh516 same. I just want more. A lot of stuff left unanswered, a lot more we could explore. We probably won’t, but I would really like to get a second DLC
God I hope not. Let's leave the souls shit behind. It's been overdone since DS3 and now Elden Ring is REALLY stretching it. Something new fromsoft let's go.
If Fromsoft listened to shareholders the best thing would have been to do Dark Souls 4. But maybe they wouldn't have done openworld which did bring them even more success with Elden Ring. Sekiro was also probably not a good idea if they listened to shareholders. Fromsoftware knows how to take the correct risks, so I trust them and honestly I bet as a developer working at Fromsoft you are happy you can work on different stuff instead of just souls for the 10th time.
Yeah Elden Ring brought in a whole lot of new fans and while that's great for them, I fear it's gonna hurt the og fans in the long run. After every IP they're shitting on invaders more and more to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if they just removed the invasion system entirely bc the new "fans" cry about it.
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That spear impaling Marika is definitely from the Elden Beast. If you watch the Elden Beast's grab attack, the very first spear that comes down to strike is the largest followed by several smaller ones. I the large spear is the same one that is impaling Marika, just lost of its pure gold glow from how long it is probably there.
I think the spear is from Maliketh, Red and black like his attacks with the rune of death. We are told that Maliketh defeated the GEQ, who is an Impyrian who slays gods. Marika is an Impyrian who ordered the creation of weapon to kill a god, and Is stabbed by Maliketh.
@@TarnishedProductions We already know that the fingers control the shadow. Look at Blaidd. Iji might have learned this fact by observing another shadow.
@@ELELME but there's no evidence to suggest that happened, nor that Marika is the GEQ. Also Maliketh's dialogue if you complete Gurranq's quest suggests that he is still loyal to Marika. "Cower. Before Maliketh, Marika's Black Blade." "Forgive me, Marika... The Golden Order... cannot be restored."
sometimes yes. In this circumstance I think it will always be a bittersweet remembrance. Tainted by all of the unanswered questions, some of which aren't just unanswered, but don't even have decent hints at what happened. Honestly it reminds me of Game of Thrones the way they had so many cryptic and mysterious things happen but then did nothing with them. WHAT DID THE SPIRALS MEAN!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly, Elden Ring ended on a sour note for me. Too many unexplained and contradictory things, bad DLC story and underwhelming boss vs player mechanics.
@@dynamicflashy agreed 100%. BB is my favorite game of all time, and compared to BB I don't even like ER (which is still one of my fav games, but not even CLOSE to being in BB's league). The difference between the two is like a competition between a professional NBA player and his 2 year old son who can barely walk.
Agreed....they copy/pasted alot of their previous games into eldenring with a few advancements and a jump button....my biggest gripe is that they made a game where it feels like everything is very flashy, but you get dropped in as a ds3 character with the newfound ability to jump lolol@Crimson34533
That was fucking shite excuse to reuse and old fight.. are we supposed to believe they grafted themselves to look EXACTLY the same? I would much rather just fight Godrick a second time, since nobody fucking ever dies in this game anyway
Godefroy was the most important and most powerful character and the key to everything in the game. Without him this game would be a shell of its current self. Y’all are crazy ya better start putting some respect on Godefroys name!
After all that berserk inspired Dark Fantasy saga, I would love to see a more light, High Fantasy setting in their next game. Imagine a continent with Floating Islands, Elven Ruins, Dwarven underground fortresses and human Kingdom/Castles put into reality by FromSoft's dev team.
To me the divine gate is a enigmatic unexplored concept. If they ever make another dlc for elden ring where you go beyond the divine gate and uncover its secrets. Like imagine in order to explore that region you had to defeat both radahn and mohg and then travel to shadow realm and defeat messmer, romina and radahn in order to access the divine gate, that would be so great.
The mystery of the divine gate and the fact that we can’t so much as touch it, much less cross its threshold, seems like a deliberate artistic decision. They could have easily designed the arena so that there wasn’t a mysterious gate guarded by a Lord and a God, only for you to realize after defeating them that it is still unreachable. And then you look upwards at the staircase still spiraling into heaven, so high up you can’t even get a good look at it to see where it ends. I agree that it felt disappointing, the gate creates that expectation that there’s gonna be one more thing, one more cutscene or item description to sate our curiosity. We can’t even so much as gaze on the other side (literally or metaphorically since it seems like a portal). We can kill God himself and don his crown, and still heaven is beyond our reach.
@@NocturnalNick that's just looking things from just one direction. At beginning you'll only see it as a device used to become god. But after sometime you'll wonder... Who created such device? Who were the people who built this gate? What was their reason.
@@moonlightning8269 make me remind of that one Aizen quote "No one stood at the top from the beginning, neither you, nor me, nor the gods, but that unbearable vacancy of heaven's throne ends now.... from now on...I alone stand atop the heavens".
@@zephyrabysstrinity sure, but that's a different question. As it relates to the story of the game and to us the player character, it is fairly explored, and unusually so, I think. But, if you just want more mechanical/encyclopaedic type info that's fair
I NEED MORE ELDEN RING!!! I legit felt like a crackhead after finishing the base game and also shadow of the erdtree because I was so desperate for more… and like you say there’s so much more to be addressed with the lore/story
Yeah, we still need a story expansion based around godwyn, as well as the gloam eyed queen (melina). People will say their stories are concluded which is fair to say but theres a lot they could do by developing new plot points
When a company is SO good at making games that every single flaw is put under a microscope. I hope to see a sequel, but FS is fantastic at making new IPs
@@thedoomslayer5863 what are you talking about? You have ashes of war, more buffs, posture breaking, spirit ashes, CRAZY diverse movesets, faster rolling and more accurate rolling, guard counters, deflecting, ranged melee weapons, physick flask, rune arcs, and hundreds of talisman options. I would argue that maybe it evolved TOO FAST for people like you who play it like demons souls (R1 spam). What other system are you asking for or what more tools could you possibly want? Elden Ring is a cakewalk as it is
@@QuantumTelephone Yet none really changed much did it. You still either R1 or R2 and roll spam. And this like deflect tear was not in the base game and it's still a far inferior implementation than it was in Sekiro. If you want a example of a gameplay mechanic that actually changed something then look no further than the posture system Sekiro had. It allows you to kill basically any enemy two ways. Depleting HP or posture to 0. First of it's kind to give you two ways to beat anything. And thanks to the posture system your defense also became a perfectly viable offense. Allowing you to beat most things while being reactive and defensive while still taking skill unlike just blocking with a shield. You then also had other new mechanics like the perilous attacks that most enemies would actually use rather than a handful having maybe one move you can jump over in Elden Ring. That's how you innovate in ways that matter vs just adding more weapons that will ultimately play the same with the only real difference being their ash of war.
@@thedoomslayer5863 sekiro isn't a soulslike so it's not even comparable. It's like putting dark souls against devil may cry. If you were intellectually honest, you could make the case that elden ring uses mostly the dark souls 3 combat framework. It is so far removed from demons souls, it's basically a ship of thesius at that point, where every board of the ship has been removed and replaced long ago over many iterations. One being slightly better than the previous one
I think the DLC was a huge letdown and more people will have the same thought as time goes on. The 2nd half of the map feels unfinished maybe even 2/3. The lack of cutscenes is also weird. The scaduu-tree being kinda pointless, not to mention the scaduu-tree-chalice just being there with no purpose same with the falling tree-sap. (between the structure into the chalice maybe?) The whole ending feels like it was changed right before the end, like why was the cutscene of Miquella from the trailer removed? What was the whole reviving part of Godwyn with the eclipse in the base game about? Why the built up to just use Radahn in the end for some magical reason. The best part about the DLC by far was Marikas backstory and Messmer but it's weird since the main focus of the DLC was Miquella and in the end that whole thing was pointless.
They dropped the ball Hard with the last boss, and I mean all about it, from its mechanics to the lore, even the presentation itself, and especially what comes after beating it… The rest of the expansion is solid, but such a pointless and ridiculous conclusion to an otherwise flawed, yet good DLC is the one thing that really brings the whole experience down a notch. Especially when the final fight has always been the cherry on top of the cake for the other title’s DLCs, this time it’s the opposite, it somehow manages to ruin two great characters from the base game.
@@icebox1954 Cool, I guess. Can’t share this opinion, I don’t find this brand of challenge for the sake of challenge compelling at all. Especially when there are so many issues with the fight aside from the challenge itself.
If ER does get a sequel, it should be set so far into the future that the name “Marika” or “Ranni”, or even the Erdtree are long forgotten and lost to time, only being vaguely hinted to in item descriptions without name-dropping them, kinda like how DS2 handled DS1 lore. I think it should also be a completely different setting than the Lands Between, with the world having changed so much from such a long passage of time
I am not annoyed that Radahn is in the dlc I’m just annoyed that his relationship with Miquella takes such a big part of the dlc’s story when they could’ve focused on much more interesting things which we have been speculating for years.
We absolutely need another dlc to close this out. I beat the dlc once but I also put 170 hrs more AFTER my first 70 he dlc playthru . That mean I made 2 more level 1 characters made to end game and made it half way in the dlc but never finished them ... I can't let this go
@@gematria696 That's even more unlikely. Their next project is either Armored core 6 dlc, or/and a brand new IP. Dark souls finished with 3. Miyazaki said it himself in the interview this year which Zio even mentioned in this video.
He also said that there were no current plays for a dark souls 2 when they were actively working on the sequel. I don't think an IGN Japan article would be the place to announce that they were working on a sequel to elden ring. Doesn't mean they will make a sequel but it wouldn't surprise me if they kept that close to the vest until it was a good time to announce the sequel.
I don't want to see anymore DLC. FromSoft's strongest attribute is new franchises and I think it's suited them perfectly so far not lingering on any one game for too long.
so you don't think they lingered on Dark Souls for too long? 3 games and like 6 DLCs? If they didn't linger on Dark Souls for too long, then they could literally make 2 more ER games and it wouldn't be too much.
I got stuck on radahn and haven’t beat it yet but I also kind of fell in love with the game again and I’ve been playing through the base game with various challenge runs. That’s the real key to making Fromsoft games as fun as possible. Different challenges and handicaps without min maxing, optimizing, using OP items or skipping ahead.
to each their own. Everything you said you didn't like I find to be fun. Min-maxing, optimizing, shitting on bosses with OP weapons and items, and skipping ahead are all very fun to me.
I would be happy with it ending here BUT I agree, I too just want 1 more DLC or installment to answer the last big mysteries in the game. How does the Marika is Radagon thing work? Who was Placidusax's fled god? What about more Melina lore and her in the FF ending? What exactly IS the Lands Between? Between what? What other mysteries exist in the vastness of space in-universe? (Also not lore-related but I was disappointed that we didn't get a new Great Rune in the DLC. It's a whole element of the UI and we didn't even get one. I was really hoping Miquella's would be reparable or we'd find Ranni's)
The DLC answered questions that didn’t need answers, like the origin of scarlet rot, the exact origin of the two fingers, and the apparently long history surrounding the flame of frenzy. The DLC did not answer questions that badly needed answers, like some of the things you brought up around the 5 minute mark.
There’s so much left to explore in Elden Ring just from what’s already in game (like Melina/Gloam-Eyed Queen, Godwyn, Renna, the Numen/Nox, etc). They could explore places like the Land of Reeds and/or the Badlands. There could be more delving into the various Outer Gods and what happened with the Greater Will. They can also come up with new content like what they did with SOTE. I just can’t imagine leaving such an interesting (and wildly successful IP) to rot and wither away. Although if we do get more playable Elden Ring content, I wouldn’t expect to see it anytime in the next 3 years or so…
One thing that I never really understood the reasoning behind was Miyazaki’s/Fromsoftware’s decision to not include any additional content whatsoever in the base game, I mean when they announced the map for SOTET was going to be separated from any location in the land between I knew not to expect anything like new locations on the map, new hidden dungeons, or new boss fights to appear in the main game when the DLC came out and it made sense, but if you ask me that’s not an excuse or rather there doesn’t appear to be any reason to not include in the base game content like new items to discover, new dialogue options for existing npc’s, new/additional steps to their quest lines, or even brand new quest lines that may involve entirely new characters as well as characters from the DLC/Realm of Shadow, it’s not like it would have been anything fundamentally new or groundbreaking (which is good on the devs part) but any of these avenues of content would have provided fans of Elden Ring (and especially fans of the lore) with ample content to comb through and allow for satisfying closure to certain unresolved threads in the story that feel like they were intended to be explored, having said that I understand and that there are (like in almost every FromSoft game) various plot points and references that were and are still currently intended to seem ambiguous therefore we should expect certain information to be left out of quests and item descriptions purposefully so as to allow us individually to fill in the gaps in the plot how we each see fit, but as stated in the video most aspects of Elden Ring’s story are a lot more direct compared to previous FromSoft games and a lot of Plot points and Quest lines in ER feel like they are meant to have definitive conclusions, the thing is that in these instances with the information we are given in-game a good majority of the fandom feel as though these “conclusions” weren’t satisfying enough or that they only work as conclusions if there is more to come or if this “definitive conclusion” leads into something else related to the plot in the future, and that therein lies the problem with the uncertainty of Elden Ring’s future as an IP or (if it is to be) a franchise and why many fans are anxious about what games FromSoftware are planning to develop and put out next; so in conclusion while it has already been well established that DLC in FromSoft games rarely adds content that affects the base game in any world-altering sort of fashion so not having that in Elden Ring isn’t the biggest deal and didn’t really come off as surprising (nor should it considering the amount unresolved plot threads and questions that are addressed and answered in the dlc… while also adding even more questions and lose threads, lmao) but even still I personally don’t think it’s unfair to say given the amount of questions regarding the overall lore of Elden Ring that remain up in the air that the lack of inclusion of content in the base game is a missed opportunity on FromSoft’s part, however I will say that the purposeful withholding of certain information does give me reason to hold out hope for (while also understanding there is the possibility that there simply will not be) an Elden Ring sequel game (Elden Ring 2, or whatever lol) as it’s a pretty safe bet that there will be more content that comes out of “the Elden Ring franchise” in what from or capacity we do not know but I am confident in definitively saying that in regards to the lore of the series in whatever form it is in the fans would ideally like the primary source material to be drawn from the game and that another installment in the game franchise would be the very best outcome.
It’s so successful that they know if they mentioned they were brainstorming it, they would be badgered every day for 3 years or however long until it’s officially announced. They just want to do other games first. Their commercial potential is huge,and more lore to explore. I’m sure we will get some supplemental stuff in the meantime, some more substantive patches, maybe a published graphic novel. I can see Elden Ring 2 being 10,000 years in the future, and enough time that no matter which ending we chose the world has somewhat reset (since they can’t do 6 separate sequels). In that far future case, I could see it being the return of Godwyn and the Crucible, fighting it out with a 3rd new major faction and some more minor ones with different demigods and new peoples.
I honestly just want more interesting and different games from them. More Armored Core, something similar to Sekiro, maybe a survival horror, or even a return to a King's Field-like. The souls-formula has been milked dry, I believe.
I think we have very little information on Radagons back story. The speculation that hes a Mimic king for Nox creates a wide open story arch if they wanted to do another dlc.
Fromsoft will never really give satisfying lore completion for any game they make unless it’s more narrative driven like Sekiro. And even that game has its own story vagueness. One of the reasons I loved Lies of P story so much was because it didn’t really do the vague lore stuff. What you saw was what you got and it was refreshing. I do still love the vagueness Zanzibart memes because it just has that Fromsoft feel. But I’ll never expect them to give THE BURNING ANSWERS to any of the questions they set up.
Lies of P devs already surpassed fromsoft with their first try of a game in that genre and second game ever as a studio. That's raw talent right there. I'm still more hyped for lies of P DLC then anything from has done in the last year or two. Only game fromsoft made that is on Lies of Ps level is Sekiro. No wonder it is what inspired the combat for lies of P.
If any DLC in the future, they can explore: The other Outer Gods The Badlands The Giants Godwyn Malena and Ranni (since both of them are the only Cinematic endings)
@@thedoomslayer5863 I disagree. It has one weapon and a limited fighting style. It's a fantastic game, but it's difficult to compare it to the more expansive Souls games.
@@thedoomslayer5863boringly so… being tied down to only one main weapon and a few gimmick attachments is just sad. Sekiro was fun but it was the worst From game in the soulsborne series. Having options to play the way you want to play is #1 in these action rpg style games. The only people that would choose this game over the others are the dex/katana fans. The variety is what its all about !
The end is empty because you don't defeat Mequilla, you get your heart stolen and he wins... It's kind of obvious if you really think about it. Late in development there were heavy changes to the dlc so whatever he stated to ign Japan it changed post that.
I was expecting more from miquella tbh. Or at least have him be a bit more present in a way. Also how cool would it have been if the shadow realm was unveilded at the end so it would connect with the rest of the map.
My personal hope for the next big FromSoft game / souls successor is a collab with Brandon Sanderson (he did get a package and said in the opening "I have a pitch") with the sekiro parry included
From Software ruined my gaming experiences. I just can't play other games and not be thinking "damn this is not a From Software game, this is not even close to a From Software game" It's just depressing. No other game fills my soul like Elden Ring has :(
Blame modern studios like EA, activision, ubisoft, and 2k for making souless projects with no passion in order to make shareholders happy. Companies like Bandai have people who put passion and effort into their game designs. Its very refreshing in the new era of unfinished games being release early with thousands of microtransactions
You should try Lies of P. I absolutely love the Souls games and Elden Ring, but I actually think Lies of P is better than Fromsoft's games. A love letter to the genre that surpasses it's inspirations.
this be my issue too and I don’t even like older souls games much either. I just really heavily fuck with Elden ring and there’s nothing out there that comes close to that experience for me and it sucks
I would kill for a second DLC focusing on the Godskins and Death. Sometimes I feel like, as much as I love it, SotE is to ER’s lore what Ashes of Ariandel was to DS3, like we’re still missing our Ringed City to put it all together
It’s really just the same debate everybody had during the end of DS3, that we’re having now. The amount of people dissatisfied about the fact, that the final boss of the DS trilogy was only introduced one DLC prior, and coming seemingly out of nowhere for people that didn’t pay attention to the story (Gael leaves tons of messages in the Ringed City, and the Painting Girl has dialogue about Gael seeking the Dark Soul), is basically 1 to 1 what the buildup to Radahn was in this DLC, just with Freya and Ansbach. Guess what also happened once you beat Gael… pretty much nothing. You got an item you could trade in for like 4-5 lines of extra dialogue from an NPC, a ton of people were mad we didn’t even get a cutscene or anything. This DLC basically traded that dialogue for a cutscene, and people still complained. The whole “It should’ve been Godwyn, it should’ve been this person or thaf one…” is also just a rerun of what has already happened before. Back in the day, it just took the form of: “Where’s Velka!? What about Allfather Lloyd!? So Gwynevere marries Flame God Flann, and we don’t get anything about any of them? Gertrude gets one incantation and we just never hear about her again? Gwyn doesn’t make a return!? etc…” and many many more. At this point, I’m pretty much convinced we live in a simulation, where the same things are just bound to happen over and over again. The DLC will be beloved in 2 years, and at some point, when we’re waiting for the next FromSoftware title’s DLC, the Fanbase will just do a 180 again… I can already see it now: “Hold on, so mother of Damnation was referenced all over the base game but then doesn’t make an appearance in the DLC!?!?”
I completely forgot about Allfather Lloyd and Flann; those were very big deals that didn't even get cutscenes or lines of dialogue. Huge characters that, at the end, just like Velka, ended up being nothing.
It's comical how this happens every time a new game comes out. And the complaining about impossible bosses and then everyone makes fun of those people 1 year later
Is this the fault of the fanbase, or is it the fault of FROM? To leave people the dissatisfied with several endings to their settings I feel is a mark against them, not the fanbase
Please no elden ring 2. I just want another game. If the developers don't have good ideas for a sequel, don't force their hand. Milking a franchise is a sign of lack of artistic integrity, and it's the best way to kill any good impressions you have of the previous game. This is how you get assassin's creed shadows and whatever the fuck the latest wow expansions are
Finally a normal response. I agree, 100% there is really no need for a second game, maybe a short DLC that actually gives us a good fucking ending or allows us to talk to the Greater Will or whatever, but not a milking of the same IP. The story is as finished as it can be, it's not like in Dark Souls where the cyclical nature of the universe allowed for sequels
Well Mizaki did say that Elden Ring wasn't the RPG he wanted to make. He still has an even greater vision for his pinnacle RPG. What that is? Only our lord and saviour Mizaki knows. But man I can't wait to find out.
Please no more open-world games. Elden Ring is 80% meaningless fluff. It's bloated and yet lacks content. Go back to DS3 or Bloodborne days. It's ironic because all the best areas of Elden Ring are NOT open-world. They're instance based.
Finally a comment thread with some brains! Too many braindead fanboys just want Miyazaki to spam dark souls till the universe ends. Elden Ring has if combat and mechanics still from DEMON SOULS which at this point is likely older than the kids asking for Elden Ring 2. I hope their next game is something entirely new or a continuation on something with the potential to still change and innovate like a potential Sekiro 2. Or something entirely new. LITERALLY ANYTHING BUT MORE SOULS SPAM.
I agree, theres too many loose ends. If they did a destined death themed dlc with godwyn, melena(the gloam eyed queen) i would be super happy. Also miyazaki said the game was limegrave sized and had 10 bosses, hes known for not being upfront.
5:30 There was a good theory of that Red spear in Marika's womb. It is a video explained by Gameplus titled Who did this. And Basically what he proposed is that the Tarnished Player us is responsible for that spear because it's is destined death. The Rune of Death just returned to the elden ring the moment we unleashed it back to tye land between and since the impenetrable thorns of Radagon have been burned the Rune of Death just return to where it came. Inside the Elden ring, inside the vessel Queen Marika, Directly to the Vassal The Elden Beast that is why the Elden Beast has a scar under it as well. In short Rune of Death unbound returns to the elden ring by stabbing both queen marika and the elden beast.
If this is the end, my problem is that it's too open ended. In The Ringed City, we meet Gael at the end of time to finally put an end to this madness. Despite what he's doing, he knows he needs you, or someone like you. He may be determined, but he lacks our unbreakable nature. In the end, we're given hope for a better world after thousands of years of torment. In The Old Hunters, we bring an end to the Nightmare that's been plaguing Hunters of many different ages. Not that they don't deserve the torment, but it can't extend to everyone who participates forever. In the end, we stop the Nightmare and the Hunt and become humanity's next potential rebirth. Dark Souls 1 isn't a choice, it's an ultimatum. But at least there's an end to that chapter. Scholar of the First Sin intrigues us with a potential alternative, even if canonically that alternative was never found. As incredible as Shadow of the Erdtree is, it doesn't give us any hope or new direction. It's just us putting down another insane, self-serving god grasping at power.
I think the biggest flaw of SOTE is definitely the deliberate avoidance towards connecting to the main game. The lack of a Miquella ending almost makes the DLC feel "pointless" for lack of a better term. Not even the crew in the Roundtable even acknowledge any of the events of the DLC and it's very disappointing. No Malenia, no Godwyn, no Ranni, no Melina.
@@PBart7 It's fun. But it's very unfulfilling. I would've loved to have seen something that explored Godwyn's corrupted existence, but we kill the only person who could've done something for him outside of Fia. So unless they make another DLC in the future, we won't have any answers. We won't know how Melina is both somehow alive, yet also a spirit. Nobody will be able to help Godwyn. He'll just be trapped for eternity. We won't know why Malenia even fought us in the first place, knowing very well that Miquella isn't even in the room.
Ok while i agree with the sentiment id have to point out miquella was far from insane or self serving. Hes literally given up everything he had, whether its his own flesh, lineage, or even allies, in order to pursue what he thinks is justice. If anything, the implication that he might have literally brainwashed everyone he called allies just serves to make his character that much more human. He was not a villain - he simply thought that there was no other way to make the world a gentler place, which we obviously dont get to see. He used whatever power he had to become a god, just like how the player does the same thing to become lord - in fact, by our standard miquella seems far more reasonable, as we literally murdered EVERYONE that stood in our way (and those who dont too!)
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 I’m not so sure if that’s the case, honestly. The presentation and final cutscene throw every bit of implied altruism for a self serving goal of being radahn’s consort, literally nothing else. You could argue that his path of sacrifice truly points towards an ultimate higher goal, but then we get the “real” lore behind malenia’s fight with radahn, which points towards a plan, but one based solely on radahn while charming anyone in order to achieve it. The reason it feels so lackluster is probably because of a huge retcon and lack of a clear direction. Given the fact that there is so much content centered specifically around miquella, I have no doubt that this is the case to so e degree at least.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 Problem is he gave up all of those things to become something more powerful. Something more powerful, more volitile. He even gave up the very thing that was going to make his new world possible, his love. He might care, but all of his actions causes everyone around him to suffer as he's following the exact same path Marika went down. Thing is with Marika is that though she was a tyrant, though it may result in death, choice was still an option. In Miquella's world, there will be no choices, no consciousness. Just everyone worshipping him at all times in the name of what he thinks is equality. He's not a good person. He had Malenia attempt to kill Radahn after he told him no, which Miquella isn't used to. He tore Trina out of himself and left her to die at the bottom of a crater. Yeah, she was wilting. She literally can't live without him. He forced Mohg to become enamored with him and then used his corpse as a new vessel for his unwitting pawn of a husband. Radahn didn't get to choose. No one will.
Wholeheartedly agree, I simply cannot die happily without learning more about melina and/or the gloam eyed queen and fighting godwyn. I can accept the other loose ends as the traditional fromsoft mysteries but melina/gloam eye/godwyn will haunt me forever.
I’m extremely satisfied with the lore of the dlc. All the questions and mysteries around Marika were answered. Honestly don’t know what more can you ask for…
I am really happy with the DLC, and thought it was a great addition to the base game. Things I would want could easily be added via patches and doesn't necessary require a DLC: - A way to refight bosses without NG+. Ideally with options to scale difficulty and summon other players. - Additional dialog (and possibly cut scenes) for some characters to tie in the base game to the DLC. If there's one character that deserves this it is Melina. Would be nice to see Malenia and Gideon getting some additional dialog.
I just find it super suspicious how a LOT of the questions we still have are related to death/destined death. Gloam eyed queen and the godskins, the black knife assassins, the nox, the golden child himself Godwynn. I just think it’s to convenient that shadow of the red tree touched on death a little but didn’t cover these left over questions. Almost like they’re leaving the door open intentionally. (Also I didn’t watch the video yet so if he talks about this I’m gonna feel stupid lol)
Miyazaki did say in an interview something along the lines of "Elden Ring is still NOT the perfect game I want to create, but I am getting there" Which leads me to believe there is something fundamentally "not perfect" in Elden Ring So he'll probably build a completely new game from the ground up (Sekiro 2? Elden Ring 2? A completely new IP?)
He said it's closer to it, but not quite there yet. That doesn't mean it'll be flawless though. Previous games have as many issues, if not more, than ER IMO.
From that interview, it looks like he wants to take that opportunity to work on his own "100% just for me" game while the other directors come out with the money makers.
I wish I didn't devour the game by rushing to to-do everything as fast as possible. Other than resetting my save because I messed up Thiollier's quest, I 100% completed the DLC and there's only emptiness. Combine with the fact the in the DLC everyone kind dies/disappears and so there's no one to visit even if it's just to hear repeated dialogue over and over again. I really wish From Software bless us a few additional content/quests/boss rush whatever
I need something like Bloodborne, nothing medieval fantasy, give me Victorian Gothic Magic thingie kinda in the vibe of Spellbound, give me Sekiro type Magic Combat or same things but with guns ! Or give me something that isn't post apo and everything is already dead
I know Fromsoft doesn't really like actually telling a full story but instead get off on just dropping hints of this epic tale happening that you'll never fully understand but GOD DAMN did they ever start so many storylines in Elden Ring that they apparently have no intention of finishing which is just... frustrating.
For what it's worth, I think "parallels between Miquella and Ranni" and "truth about the Night of Black Knives" have the same answer. Ranni and Miquella are the only real contenders for empyrean godhood, and if we assume Godwyn was Miquella's first choice in Consort, it makes sense why Ranni would target him. She also used the act to divest her own flesh, which seems to be an important part of the process. There are Black Knives guarding the Liturgical Town, and surrounding Iji and Blaidd. It's possible Ranni betrayed her companions, but that never really sat right with me. I think these Knives are compelled by Miquella.
Yeah, the "Ranni had Blaidd and Iji killed" theory never sat right with me either. She literally tells you to tell them she loves them and even has Blaidd locked in Darriwill's Gaol for his own safety. Why do that if she ultimately wanted him dead anyway? Also, Iji mentions his helmet shields him from being found, and he only dies *after* you tell him you had to put down Blaidd, saying he'll join him soon. Meaning he likely removed it for a time so he could be found and die fighting. Hell, Ranni doesn't even have Seluvis killed. It's heavily implied that he's another puppet being controlled by Pidia in Caria Manor, and Pidia gets killed by his puppets rising up against him. Honestly, knowing what we know of Miquella now, him forcibly compelling the killers of his first pick consort to work for him is definitely up his alley.
@@hot_soup4319 the other day I picked up the black knife armor, and it occurred to me that the corpse you get it from is, itself, a Black Knife and not a generic husk. It didn't make sense to me until this conversation, but that's certainly evidence they were not _all_ welcome. The fact they're guarding the Gaol, and not anywhere in the Haligtree, makes me think there was a failed assault
I don’t understand the implications here. Are you saying Miquella mind controlled Ranni to take out Godwyn since Godwyn was the clear first choice for Godhood? At what point does Ranni start being controlled by Miquella and is she still under his control while we do her questline to completion and become her consort?
FromSoft’s MO has, for a long time now, been to use real world and historical imagery in its fictional in game universes and themes heavily inspired by highly obscure real world history. It doesn’t have to be explicit because the point is to leave the customer dissatisfied which will keep them engaged. It’s brilliant from a storytelling and marketing point of view but absolutely maddening for people who desire to know every little detail.
@@odin-force1252 Some of those questions don't seem to be answered though, just given a few more details. The DLC shows us that the Godskins grew out of what remained of the Hornsent, but doesn't really give us any other clues as to who the Gloam Eyed Queen is (beyond Melina being a lot less likely now due to potential timeline issues as well as the fact the Hornsent likely wouldn't follow the sister of Messmer). We get a potential origin of the Omen curse with the DLC, but as far as im aware the question of why Morgott and Mohg are Omen while none of Marika's other children are is never answered. A lot of the big lore questions were just given extra details for speculation, rather than any actual answers
Some imagery is just that, no more and no less. Someone said it looked cool, didn’t need an explanation and so they ran with it. They don’t do “satisfying resolutions”
i would love to see a game based in the same universe yet completely disconnected, maybe a sekiro type game in the land of reeds or a beastclaw focused game in the badlands
That wouldn't happen unless From Software makes a MMO then you could see something like we playing in the usual Lands of Gods like other soul games and also visiting the countries outside of it, that are always mentioned but never shown.
Red spear was messmers Margot lets him through because he’s still loyal to the order but when he returns home after having enabled his mothers last wish to kill her … he becomes crestfallen and inevitably succumbed to the serpent in his last fight with the tarnished
The best possible update that Fromsoft could do is add covenants into the game. There's sooo many factions and with an overhaul to online play it could be so easy go creats a passionate community around it.
Unlikely. The tree and the whole shaman village are a device to show a human side to marika. Which it greatly succeeds in doing. It’s all but stated that this is her last goodbye to her past and nothing else.
The frenzied flame ending is explained allegorically. Melina takes the shape of eternal death, chasing the flame, which is eternal life (the one great). That's the answer-- it's not terribly complicated.
I think the SotE was partially a test for their future storytelling. It’s the first time in a soulsborne game that it felt like things are actively happening around me. Like Miquella breaking his great rune, finding ledas notes, etc. usually, everything in the world is already set, and we’re the disrupters. It really felt like I was chasing after miquella. I hope they use techniques like that in the future.
Be careful what you wish for, Zio. Remember that if Fromsoftware had decided to definitively answer certain burning questions (what happens after FF ending, what's the deal with Marika and Radagon etc), chances are that these answers would be underwhelming and unsatisfying compared to what we've all built up in our imaginations. I personally want the sense of mystery and wonder to be preserved.
To be honest the last card to make a dlc, is Godwynn and the gloam eyed queen. We got an end to the dragons, Marika, kinda the fingers, and a lot of crucible stuff. But idk if those 2 things would be able to make a whole DLC. It can be like ds1, time travel to the past, when Godwyn was alive, and maybe the Queen.
I still feel like they will make another DLC. The main reasoning behind this is the preorder emote being a circle above for the base game and a circle to the one side for the DLC. It would make sense to have 1 more going the other direction. This would work with the Elden Ring logo and with the Order emotes being left, right and center (t pose). They also added new spells and incantations that you can not get, similar to what they did with the base game. They said for the base game they had no plans on making any DLC until a few months after the game came out. I feel like in a year we will get a DLC 2 announcment. One can only dream though and I am hoping the preorder emotes is a sign.
Fromsoftware always leaves me so confused. They’re so unpredictable. I have absolutely no clue what they will do next. Can you imagine years from now a random trailer drop for Elden ring 2 out of nowhere?
I feel you, Ziostorm. I’ll be thinking about Elden Ring probably for the rest of my life. If it ends, so be it. But I’ll always wonder where things could’ve gone.
the lore of Elden Ring is left intentionally vague, while a TV show or a movie would most likely expand on the lore and I just don't think that would work as well.
@@icebox1954 Stop being autistic, I was alluding to the fact that this person hasn't seen enough media to know that shows can pull off the same "vagueness" and still be amazing.
5:47 maybe with have the necessary clues to answer those question. I'm still astonished that 8 years after it's launch, we discovered huge secret on DS1 I'm talking about "Ash Lake, Havel, and the Plot against the Gods (from Hawkshaw)" if you've not seen it
What could actually be fun is a DLC sized game that is a sequel based of the Endings maybe in the far future of either endings and some elaboration of the lore from that perspective, It would essentially be its own thing but it could answer some questions about the world that was there before.
The end of the DLC felt disrespectful Making Radahn that hard of a boss for such an underwhelming ending isnt leaving loose ends, its tossing trash under the bed and telling your dad you cleaned your room. Love the game loved the dlc But the ending was disrespectful and the dlc felt like they scrapped it and what we got was a rushed and honestly kind of half assed
Melina is the gloam eyed queen. The fact she opens her remaining gloam coloured eye, and last words are "destined death" which was the power chanelled by the gloam eyed queen to create god-slaying black flames (which she intends on using again since you've become the lord of frenzied flame). Or at least, she has inherited the gloam eyed queens will. Godwyn was the golden child prized by Marika, weakened by the black knives but ultimately killed by Ranni who needed to sacrifice two bodies to obtain the two centipede-like halves of the death rune. She also killed Godwyn because he embodied the Golden Order, something Ranni wanted to free herself from. She used her own body and Godwyn's. She killed Godwyn's spirit in the process who could not be revived by Marika. Marika in her torment of losing her golden son shattered the Elden Ring. Ranni divested herself of her flesh similiar to Miquella and gained the tarnished as her consort to ascend to godhood. And I can only assume that Ranni and Miquela's relation was strained, as both had the same goal to ascend to Godhood, but had different ideas of how the order of things should be, Miquella wanting to place a spell over everyone for his age of compassion (by control) and Ranni wanting her own age of the stars which is more dark and uncertain (but free from outer god influence).
My favorite part of all fromsoft ware games are the npc’s, I want them to just add little npc dlc that have there own quest lines and loot for you to obtain at the end
I am Gurranq version of the fan: Miyazaki bring more games I'm not sated ,feed me more, I will grant money and rage.
Miyazaki...why...wouldst thou...gull me? Why...Not Make New game...
"Feed me more... Death." Actually, Gurranq is one of us
@@123Woo-u8z lmfaoo we're all gurranq and every time we get new elden ring content we just eat it up with the minecraft eating sound and then say "more...MOREE!!"
"another one, another one" 🤣
"Why doest thou covet destined DLC?"
“Forgive me Miyazaki…the feet pics…cannot be restored.”
Armored core 6 came out ten years after the previous armored core game. Proof that From’s “never say never” mentality can pay dividends.
I’ll add that to my Bloodborne 2 Copium pile
@@BLP04that’s a PlayStation issue my friend, sucks when a company buys an IP and can’t even care enough to remaster it
@@Jakem763 I know, that’s why I’m saying it’s copium
@@Jakem763 There wouldn't be a BB without Sony to begin with. Not saying anyone should be thanking Sony for anything, I'm saying they own it for a reason. A business deal is a business deal. But, again, this deal is how we got BB.
aint no way the next game we get is ANOTHER armored core. Idk why Zio thinks that
I’m one of the few that actually loved the final boss of the dlc but I have to admit that the ending of the dlc is extremely underwhelming
Yeah but every time I say that a bunch of fan boys attack me and saying how I'm wrong and am bad at the game lol
No way u thought that second phase was loveable
the radahn lore was kinda uncalled for and the memory of miquella - the de facto ending of the dlc - just shows us something we already knew in the first place.
The whole dlc was underwhelming and a huge let down and radahn being final boss is fucking terrible the wost decision every making the final fucking boss a boss we've already fought! 2.5 years for this pile of shit. Love the base game but the dlc is so damn bad!
When you fight Orphan of Kos, you don’t really get a grand ending either.
But this is Elden Ring! Where spectacle is expected. I had hoped for some more Miquella stuff and the big ass light portal.
The Radahn cutscene was awesome! But Miquella just got on his back and they both die. The memory doesn’t say anything new either.
I need a patch that makes the Great Kenneth Heith renown me as a Knight
Heck yeah. When do I get my knight license, my knight medal, and my Knight Club membership card?
how about a patch the makes the characters get excited that the elden lord is in their presence. i go beat the final boss.. no one cares. like hey hewg i slayed a god with your weapon how do you feel?
@@UMMACKAYhewg has dementia bruh
I speculate that Kenneth appointing the player knighthood is cut content. Think about it. It would've been a perfect start for a covenant. Rip covenants :(
Need a dlc where you play as the Great, Kenneth Heith
FROMSOFTWARE!! GIVE ME ANOTHER ELDEN RING DLC, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!
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I see what you did there
Miquella got to ya
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Please take our money !!!
Dark Souls ending felt great because there wasn't more to understand, we got the story we were meant to get. But Elden Ring clearly has a much grander narrative that we've no glimpse of and I want more lol
EDIT: Don't get me wrong I've never had more fun theorizing over a game, it just kills me to know there's a 1000-page long manuscript written by GRRM in Miyazaki's safe somewhere and I WANT IT
Unfortunately for all of us, George RR Martin can't finish his magnum opus, what hope does a side project have for real completion? I hated the elden ring endings. A 30 second cutscene of a chair, or 1 minute of ranni, 1 minute of fire? Felt like a cop out. Same as fucking radahn being some undead consort retrofitted into the story, and Godfrey being wholly ignored. The gloam eyed queen, anything there? Nope, just more cryptic 5 line item descriptions that dozens of lore channels have to interpret
They could release a guide book for TTRPG, and just let the fans run wild with it. I think the story is compelling and unique enough.
@@jty9631 I wanna write stories set in this world bc it’s all so intriguing but I can’t bc it’s all just speculation lol. Just a book with the most basic lore set out would fix my brain
That final cut scene was so dissatisfying for me. After that big boss fight and finally reaching the crucible, I was so excited to see what would happen and explore the crucible gate, but then we literally just got a shot of Miquella talking, and you couldn't even jump up to touch the divine gate. I was really like, is this it?
I know, I liked the DLC but the lore fell a bit flat. All we got from Miquella is that he wanted to be Radahn’s consort. Like yep, you’ve said that 3 times now, we get that you want to bang your bro 🤦🏻♂️ it felt rushed. If this is truly the final chapter, then that was a missed opportunity. We needed a bit more to flesh things out. Messmer was the star the show lol
yeah, it's really disappointing. It's not the crucible tho. The crucible is at the Scadutree.
Bro jus making shit up
That was the gate or Divinity nor the crucible I don’t think
@@amwazdraws6890bruh thats the scadutree CHALICE not the crucible🤦🏻
I loved elden ring. But the DLC didnt end well and i feel strangely unfulfilled after finishing. It just feels like massive cuts in story or the game in general occured.
Same, I beat the final boss and thought I must have missed something. I guess I expected some kind of epilogue to end things with a note of finality, but no, you just beat the boss and... there just isn't anything after that. All the NPCs were dead, so there wasn't anyone to talk to that would basically confirm you were done. No credits roll. It's like walking down a path that just ends abruptly in the middle of nowhere.
@@Greywander87 add to that there is no dialogue from any base game NPCs that you killed Miquella, not even from Gideon that is obsessed with him (you can't even tell Gideon about the DLC). So, so many aspects of this game feel like From needed legit 4 more years to finish it, and it got pushed out at 40% complete. Extremely, extremely disappointing.
You can just feel the rush towards the end of the DLC. Messmer was the peak.
From a purely economic standpoint, only a fool would decide not to produce a sequel. So, even if reluctantly, FromSoftware will do it.
But from a artistic perspective especially if you have integrity it's old and overdone. This is just another iteration of something that dates back to demon souls. Older than many new fans to fromsoft even.
Even the beloved bloodborne while it did make some ACTUAL changes and innovations is ultimately still much like it's souls brothers. Only the new armored core game and Sekiro was something we got recent(ish) that is genuinely new and innovative.
I doubt Miyazaki wants to be some prisoner by his own "fans" that just want him to churn out Dark souls 5 6 7 8 ect.
But that would be the death of fromsoft and he knows it.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Armored core 6 is the sixth in a series, it's not any more innovative than elden ring
@@thedoomslayer5863 Lmao, bro is still on the fallacy of "it's not innovative". Who gives a shit, bro? The games are GOOD. All of them. Armored core 6 is literally the same shit as AC 5, 4, 3 and etc and it's GOOD. That's what matters.
Elden Ring 2: Even Older Ring
Elden ring 3: Senior ring
Elden Ring 4: Dead Ring
Eldener Ring
@@aftermath5878 Elden ring 5: funeral ring
Prequel series: middle-aged ring, young, dumb and full of cum ring, adolescent ring, and stupid dumb baby ring
I think Godwyn was chosen because he was Maikas only perfect child. Morgott, mohg, Miquella, Malenia, (Melina?), are all cursed in some way shape or form. (Bodyless? Melina is a mystery)
Morgott and Mohg were shunned because of their nature as Omens and Marika’s trauma towards the Hornsent. Miquella was forever a child whilst Malenia was harbouring the Outer God of Rot. I think Messmer and Melina were shunned by Marika because of their potential to be ‘kindling’ capable of burning down the central symbol of the Golden Order, the Erdtree. But I was hoping a new DLC would give details on Melina’s backstory😊
Melina being 'burnt and bodyless' implies that her body was killed.
I think he was chosen for the only reason that he has a twin and that said twin was Ranni.
They both were "Killed" during this night, but they shared their death. One died in body, the other one in soul.
Ranni was close to the Black knife, and needed to die in body because it was a step to be free of the greater will influence. Miquella follow a similar yet different path, by discarding his body through the DLC probably for the same reason.
Melina though, is a complete mystery. She has links to the black knives as well, to Ranni, she is a frenzy flame hater, has a unique eye that we don't know what it is doing, is the sister of Mesmer and shares the same vision of fire which could link to the fire giant as well, as you need their forge (And there's a lot of Messmer like spears everywhere in the moutaintop)... But yeah, these are pieces but nothing seems to connect them which is pretty sad.
@@-v0n- Ranni wasn't Godwyn's twin, though. She was of Radagon and Rennalla, whilst Godwyn was of Marika and Godfrey. Ranni simply needed another demigod to die at the same time so she could split the cursemark of death between her body and another's soul.
given that the dlc hints that Marika was aligned with the hornsent at some point (with all of that "betrayal" talks), the Numen women might have targeted Godwyn directly as revenge for whatever Marika did while aligned with the hornsent. Maybe she even helped them hunt shamans, just for the chance to access the Gate of Divinity (and with that hypothesis you would assume that her grief and desire for vengeance must have come from the death of someone specific/some specific people that were close to her, not just shamans in general)
To me it feels as if at some point they did a complete 180 on the direction of the DLC.
I think there's evidence in the lack of cutscenes for main story bosses, disconnected lore, underwhelming ending/final cutscene, some largely unused open areas in DLC map. Things were definitely rushed.
I do hope we get another dlc to finalize this story. Some definitive GEQ lore and Godwyn lore to justify reviving Radahn would be all I needed.
Everything is justified, how would u revive godwyn? Radhan has his soul. Godwyn had his soul killed
@@syckray Its a fucking video game set in a fantasy world. Godwyn having his soul "killed" means jack shit. They can easily come up with some bs to revive him.
@@iskarothso we fix broken holes in the plot of elden ring by making even more holes in already established lore bits got it as much as I wanted godwyn him magically being resurrected would make zero sense since the dlc takes place before becoming an elden lord so you basically fix plot holes in the dlc by making some in the main game which is dumb
@@syckray
What's your point? Plenty better options with their souls intact. Malenia has her soul too. Wouldn't it make more sense to let Malenia die and resurrect her? Why Radahn? Not one instance in the main game even remotely addressed any type of relationship between Radahn and Miquella, apart from both having seats at the council.
Furthermore, choosing a bloodthirsty warmonger as a consort for the so called "Age of Compassion" makes no sense.
They could even choose to merge Malenia's soul with Godwyn's festering body and give us a proper final boss instead of bringing back Radahn, who until this point had a satisfying ending to his story in the main game.
If everything is justified, I ask you to tell me one good reason WHY Radahn.
@@mikeoxlong403 The reason why it has to be Radahn from a story perspective is that in the main game the war between Malenia and Radahn was established, yet the reason for the war is curiously unknown.
All this time we wondered why Malenia went on her campaign and it turns out it was to kill Radahn, because he wouldn't honor his vow.
It even harks back to a tiny detail of Malenia saying something we can't understand to him in the story trailer.
That is the connection between these two characters.
From a lore perspective, Radahn being a warmonger speaks to the sinister nature of Miquellas age of compassion.
Miquella will attempt to take everyone's free will and anyone who won't be charmed is a danger and will be erradicated.
(Which Miquellas Light spell also implies in the description.)
Secondly, you have to understand that Miquellas mind is that of a child and him just getting really obsessed with Radahn is very much in character.
Gg boys... Back to the abyss we go
We had our humanity but it was only for a fleeting moment. Such is the course of all life.
@@coreyrachar9694 That was beautiful
I really want an Elden Ring 2 or at least another dlc covering the two npcs we got next to nothing more about in shadow of the erdtree. Like Miyazaki has to know at this point that the Gloam eyed Queen is one of the most mysterious and popular figures in the story to fans and why was the sky in that shade of purple in the trailer? Like cmon. We need something.
Lmao they aint finna answer not one question
I’ve spent so much time digging into the lore of Elden Ring that I feel like ending on SOTE leaves so many things unanswered. I know that’s been From’s modus operandi, but this is such a great opportunity to explore more about Melina, the Gloam-Eyed Queen and Godwyn. I was hoping the last DLC would focus on themes of finality and death - both as a concept and as a source of power. Still, I’m just happy they released something as amazing as SOTE
Y'all keep bringing up Godwyn acting like his entire story wasn't wrapped up in the base game. We just don't know why he was chosen. However we know his soul is dead and gone with no hope of being brought back. As well as his body is essentially unlikable. Miquella tried and FAILED to do both. His story and quest is done.
@@JeffMonsoon I disagree about Godwyn since his role in the lore starts and ends at “first demigod to die”, but I do want more stuff about the Godskins and the Gloam-Eyed Queen
@@BLP04melina is the gloam eyed queen at this point. It would make sense why we don’t get anymore with her because marika and her got into a fight and Melina’s body was killed but her soul remained. She used her soul to burn the erdtree for us. Godwyn is done with if you take what I say factual. If you look at fias quest and you complete it you get the mending rune of the death-prince. That item is godwyn. He is death now. The golden order doesn’t know what death is and with the new age of that lord it’ll bring death to the lands between.
Body doesn’t mean an actual body. It means physically in Elden ring. Death is a physical aspect.
@Noctislolig people just have a hard on for him for some reason. He has some cool lore, yea, but I don't get it either. His story was wrapped in base game outside of why he was chosen.
And I don't think he could have even with the rune of death. I forget where exactly but since his soul was killed with destined death and not his body, we are told that his body like legit can't die. So even if he (miquella) had the rune of death, it wouldn't make a difference. Hence, his failure at finding a way to grant his body a proper death.
@@Ephyum The golden order knows perfectly well what death is. There's a reason every demigod feared Maliketh who had in his possession the rune of death.
I totally agree: dark souls 3 dlc's ending gave me closure, but, this didn't. I wish they had given us a new ending with miquella, and I wish they didn't made the dlc so disconnected
Tbf Ds3’s dlcs served as a conclusion to the entire Dark Souls series. So they had that sense of finality and narrative weight. Elden Rings dlc was never intended to be the grand conclusion of Elden Ring as a series. To me, I see it as more like an Artorias of the Abyss. A great send off to that specific game, and a fantastic dlc, but obviously not intended to be the final piece of content in that universe.
@@Bob-po2dp THIS!
I fully agree with this. I’m definitely far from ready to leave the Lands Between. I thought the DLC was absolutely incredible. I loved that the Land of Shadow was technically “disconnected” from the Lands Between. They absolutely killed it with a DLC of an open world game.
Yeah, I want more because everything they added was so good. Why not more Mr. Miyazaki?
I'm still living in Lordran.
@@stakesishigh516 same. I just want more. A lot of stuff left unanswered, a lot more we could explore. We probably won’t, but I would really like to get a second DLC
@@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlawfuck u I’m stuck in drangleic
God I hope not. Let's leave the souls shit behind. It's been overdone since DS3 and now Elden Ring is REALLY stretching it. Something new fromsoft let's go.
6:05 I think we all know what will happen if From starts appealing to the share holders.
Exactly, i'd rather they never made another game again than be forced to "appease the shareholders".
If Fromsoft listened to shareholders the best thing would have been to do Dark Souls 4. But maybe they wouldn't have done openworld which did bring them even more success with Elden Ring. Sekiro was also probably not a good idea if they listened to shareholders.
Fromsoftware knows how to take the correct risks, so I trust them and honestly I bet as a developer working at Fromsoft you are happy you can work on different stuff instead of just souls for the 10th time.
Ya enemies will be panda people that fart rainbow dust and Merica becoming Radagon will be fact not fiction
Yeah Elden Ring brought in a whole lot of new fans and while that's great for them, I fear it's gonna hurt the og fans in the long run. After every IP they're shitting on invaders more and more to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if they just removed the invasion system entirely bc the new "fans" cry about it.
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That spear impaling Marika is definitely from the Elden Beast. If you watch the Elden Beast's grab attack, the very first spear that comes down to strike is the largest followed by several smaller ones. I the large spear is the same one that is impaling Marika, just lost of its pure gold glow from how long it is probably there.
I think the spear is from Maliketh, Red and black like his attacks with the rune of death. We are told that Maliketh defeated the GEQ, who is an Impyrian who slays gods.
Marika is an Impyrian who ordered the creation of weapon to kill a god, and Is stabbed by Maliketh.
@@ELELMEmakes no sense, Maliketh is Marika's shadow and stayed loyal to her by guarding the rune of death until he was killed by us.
@@TarnishedProductions We already know that the fingers control the shadow. Look at Blaidd. Iji might have learned this fact by observing another shadow.
@@ELELME but there's no evidence to suggest that happened, nor that Marika is the GEQ. Also Maliketh's dialogue if you complete Gurranq's quest suggests that he is still loyal to Marika.
"Cower. Before Maliketh, Marika's Black Blade."
"Forgive me, Marika... The Golden Order... cannot be restored."
@TarnishedProductions let's ignore the Idea that Marika is the GEQ. Do you agree that the spear is closest to Maliketh's black blade?
How can Miyazaki not be involved in an Elden Ring series / tv show if FromSoft bought the Elden Ring IP?
I kinda wish they had restored the cut dialogue for Miquella, where he talks about his age and everything, instead of simping for radahn
It should have been a restored godwyn as the final boss. Would have made a lot more sense seeing as he already tried to revive him and failed.
Sometimes letting something have its moment in the sun and then remembering fondly is the best way to go.
sometimes yes. In this circumstance I think it will always be a bittersweet remembrance. Tainted by all of the unanswered questions, some of which aren't just unanswered, but don't even have decent hints at what happened. Honestly it reminds me of Game of Thrones the way they had so many cryptic and mysterious things happen but then did nothing with them. WHAT DID THE SPIRALS MEAN!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly, Elden Ring ended on a sour note for me. Too many unexplained and contradictory things, bad DLC story and underwhelming boss vs player mechanics.
@@dynamicflashy agreed 100%. BB is my favorite game of all time, and compared to BB I don't even like ER (which is still one of my fav games, but not even CLOSE to being in BB's league). The difference between the two is like a competition between a professional NBA player and his 2 year old son who can barely walk.
I've spent years with Elden Ring, Im definitely ready to move on. I think From is smart to move onto something fresh before things go stale.
Bro, elden ring has only been out for 2.5 years.
You're acting like this IP has been out for a decade
@@AntiMatterXD Elden Ring is just a continuation of dark souls. So yes it is stale by now and they need to innovate like they did with BB and Sekiro
@@C-R-l-M-S-O-Nit’s similar but different gameplay wise as well as mechanics wise so nah not a continuation as it is not a sequel to dark souls 3
@@C-R-l-M-S-O-N A bit of a tangent but why do you consider BB more 'innovative' to the formula than Elden Ring?
Agreed....they copy/pasted alot of their previous games into eldenring with a few advancements and a jump button....my biggest gripe is that they made a game where it feels like everything is very flashy, but you get dropped in as a ds3 character with the newfound ability to jump lolol@Crimson34533
I think the biggest lore point is why Godefroy what was that point of that.
what the hell is a godefroy
Probably just expanding the lineage and to toss one last jab at Godrick, who apparently stole Godefroy's entire grafted gimmick 😂
That was fucking shite excuse to reuse and old fight.. are we supposed to believe they grafted themselves to look EXACTLY the same? I would much rather just fight Godrick a second time, since nobody fucking ever dies in this game anyway
somehow, godrick has returned
Godefroy was the most important and most powerful character and the key to everything in the game. Without him this game would be a shell of its current self. Y’all are crazy ya better start putting some respect on Godefroys name!
After all that berserk inspired Dark Fantasy saga, I would love to see a more light, High Fantasy setting in their next game.
Imagine a continent with Floating Islands, Elven Ruins, Dwarven underground fortresses and human Kingdom/Castles put into reality by FromSoft's dev team.
To me the divine gate is a enigmatic unexplored concept. If they ever make another dlc for elden ring where you go beyond the divine gate and uncover its secrets. Like imagine in order to explore that region you had to defeat both radahn and mohg and then travel to shadow realm and defeat messmer, romina and radahn in order to access the divine gate, that would be so great.
The mystery of the divine gate and the fact that we can’t so much as touch it, much less cross its threshold, seems like a deliberate artistic decision. They could have easily designed the arena so that there wasn’t a mysterious gate guarded by a Lord and a God, only for you to realize after defeating them that it is still unreachable. And then you look upwards at the staircase still spiraling into heaven, so high up you can’t even get a good look at it to see where it ends.
I agree that it felt disappointing, the gate creates that expectation that there’s gonna be one more thing, one more cutscene or item description to sate our curiosity. We can’t even so much as gaze on the other side (literally or metaphorically since it seems like a portal). We can kill God himself and don his crown, and still heaven is beyond our reach.
what's beyond the gate is people losing their humanity to become gods and rule the lands between
@@NocturnalNick that's just looking things from just one direction. At beginning you'll only see it as a device used to become god. But after sometime you'll wonder... Who created such device? Who were the people who built this gate? What was their reason.
@@moonlightning8269 make me remind of that one Aizen quote
"No one stood at the top from the beginning, neither you, nor me, nor the gods, but that unbearable vacancy of heaven's throne ends now.... from now on...I alone stand atop the heavens".
@@zephyrabysstrinity sure, but that's a different question. As it relates to the story of the game and to us the player character, it is fairly explored, and unusually so, I think. But, if you just want more mechanical/encyclopaedic type info that's fair
I NEED MORE ELDEN RING!!! I legit felt like a crackhead after finishing the base game and also shadow of the erdtree because I was so desperate for more… and like you say there’s so much more to be addressed with the lore/story
Yeah, we still need a story expansion based around godwyn, as well as the gloam eyed queen (melina). People will say their stories are concluded which is fair to say but theres a lot they could do by developing new plot points
Play it again. The story, lore and worldbuilding details all make progressively more sense each time you play through the game.
I was joking about this to my family, my wife says I'm addicted--but it's such a great game, hard to play anything else.
@Noctislolig i think thats theoretics with godwyn, he cant be brought back through the erdtree, but there can exist another unforseen method lol
Move on.
When a company is SO good at making games that every single flaw is put under a microscope. I hope to see a sequel, but FS is fantastic at making new IPs
No those flaws just became impossible to ignore given that its combat systems came from a game as old as Demon souls
@@thedoomslayer5863 what are you talking about? You have ashes of war, more buffs, posture breaking, spirit ashes, CRAZY diverse movesets, faster rolling and more accurate rolling, guard counters, deflecting, ranged melee weapons, physick flask, rune arcs, and hundreds of talisman options. I would argue that maybe it evolved TOO FAST for people like you who play it like demons souls (R1 spam). What other system are you asking for or what more tools could you possibly want? Elden Ring is a cakewalk as it is
@@QuantumTelephone Yet none really changed much did it. You still either R1 or R2 and roll spam. And this like deflect tear was not in the base game and it's still a far inferior implementation than it was in Sekiro.
If you want a example of a gameplay mechanic that actually changed something then look no further than the posture system Sekiro had.
It allows you to kill basically any enemy two ways. Depleting HP or posture to 0. First of it's kind to give you two ways to beat anything.
And thanks to the posture system your defense also became a perfectly viable offense. Allowing you to beat most things while being reactive and defensive while still taking skill unlike just blocking with a shield.
You then also had other new mechanics like the perilous attacks that most enemies would actually use rather than a handful having maybe one move you can jump over in Elden Ring.
That's how you innovate in ways that matter vs just adding more weapons that will ultimately play the same with the only real difference being their ash of war.
@@thedoomslayer5863 sekiro isn't a soulslike so it's not even comparable. It's like putting dark souls against devil may cry. If you were intellectually honest, you could make the case that elden ring uses mostly the dark souls 3 combat framework. It is so far removed from demons souls, it's basically a ship of thesius at that point, where every board of the ship has been removed and replaced long ago over many iterations. One being slightly better than the previous one
Since we got to fight “Prime Radahn” , I want a fight with Prime Godwyn the OG riding Rich Dragon Forty Staxx
I think the DLC was a huge letdown and more people will have the same thought as time goes on.
The 2nd half of the map feels unfinished maybe even 2/3. The lack of cutscenes is also weird.
The scaduu-tree being kinda pointless, not to mention the scaduu-tree-chalice just being there with no purpose same with the falling tree-sap. (between the structure into the chalice maybe?)
The whole ending feels like it was changed right before the end, like why was the cutscene of Miquella from the trailer removed?
What was the whole reviving part of Godwyn with the eclipse in the base game about? Why the built up to just use Radahn in the end for some magical reason.
The best part about the DLC by far was Marikas backstory and Messmer but it's weird since the main focus of the DLC was Miquella and in the end that whole thing was pointless.
The dlc has the best boss fights in the entire game
@@707romo707 True, but the ending lore is the worst I've seen from a DLC in a long time. That cutscene was so underwhelming I thought it was a joke.
They dropped the ball Hard with the last boss, and I mean all about it, from its mechanics to the lore, even the presentation itself, and especially what comes after beating it…
The rest of the expansion is solid, but such a pointless and ridiculous conclusion to an otherwise flawed, yet good DLC is the one thing that really brings the whole experience down a notch. Especially when the final fight has always been the cherry on top of the cake for the other title’s DLCs, this time it’s the opposite, it somehow manages to ruin two great characters from the base game.
@@Ashes-69 The final fight is great. It's the pinnacle of challenge so far. Gael was fun be he was too easy. Midir was perfect and so was Bayle.
@@icebox1954 Cool, I guess. Can’t share this opinion, I don’t find this brand of challenge for the sake of challenge compelling at all. Especially when there are so many issues with the fight aside from the challenge itself.
If ER does get a sequel, it should be set so far into the future that the name “Marika” or “Ranni”, or even the Erdtree are long forgotten and lost to time, only being vaguely hinted to in item descriptions without name-dropping them, kinda like how DS2 handled DS1 lore.
I think it should also be a completely different setting than the Lands Between, with the world having changed so much from such a long passage of time
Please stop. I can only handle so much.
No. It needs to focus on godwyn
I am not annoyed that Radahn is in the dlc I’m just annoyed that his relationship with Miquella takes such a big part of the dlc’s story when they could’ve focused on much more interesting things which we have been speculating for years.
One of the better compliments that can ever be given is, I don't want this to end.
We absolutely need another dlc to close this out. I beat the dlc once but I also put 170 hrs more AFTER my first 70 he dlc playthru . That mean I made 2 more level 1 characters made to end game and made it half way in the dlc but never finished them ... I can't let this go
i remember the initial leaks talking about how great rune game would be a trilogy. could you imagine?
Dude no. At most, we'll get another dlc and event that is 99.99% unlikely to happen. This is the end for Elden Ring.
@@excalibur2596 I think the only way for this not being the end of ER is getting a Dark Souls 4 in the near future.
@@gematria696 That's even more unlikely. Their next project is either Armored core 6 dlc, or/and a brand new IP. Dark souls finished with 3. Miyazaki said it himself in the interview this year which Zio even mentioned in this video.
Hey man
Elden Ring
Colosseums
Shadow of the Erdtree.
Weve got the trilogy right here
There was a time when we couldn't imagine dark souls 2.
He also said that there were no current plays for a dark souls 2 when they were actively working on the sequel. I don't think an IGN Japan article would be the place to announce that they were working on a sequel to elden ring. Doesn't mean they will make a sequel but it wouldn't surprise me if they kept that close to the vest until it was a good time to announce the sequel.
I don't want to see anymore DLC. FromSoft's strongest attribute is new franchises and I think it's suited them perfectly so far not lingering on any one game for too long.
so you don't think they lingered on Dark Souls for too long? 3 games and like 6 DLCs?
If they didn't linger on Dark Souls for too long, then they could literally make 2 more ER games and it wouldn't be too much.
From’s new game will be teased at the VGA’s this year. Mark my words.
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I got stuck on radahn and haven’t beat it yet but I also kind of fell in love with the game again and I’ve been playing through the base game with various challenge runs. That’s the real key to making Fromsoft games as fun as possible. Different challenges and handicaps without min maxing, optimizing, using OP items or skipping ahead.
Bro that’s EXACTLY what happened to me when the game came out
to each their own. Everything you said you didn't like I find to be fun. Min-maxing, optimizing, shitting on bosses with OP weapons and items, and skipping ahead are all very fun to me.
@@masque9446 either way, we are bypassing some mechanics that the game offers in order to engage with other ones.
"Unspoken lore is unforgettable" - Andrei Tarkovsky
I wish there was more connection between the DLC and the main game as well, npc dialogue etc
I would be happy with it ending here BUT I agree, I too just want 1 more DLC or installment to answer the last big mysteries in the game. How does the Marika is Radagon thing work? Who was Placidusax's fled god? What about more Melina lore and her in the FF ending? What exactly IS the Lands Between? Between what? What other mysteries exist in the vastness of space in-universe?
(Also not lore-related but I was disappointed that we didn't get a new Great Rune in the DLC. It's a whole element of the UI and we didn't even get one. I was really hoping Miquella's would be reparable or we'd find Ranni's)
The DLC answered questions that didn’t need answers, like the origin of scarlet rot, the exact origin of the two fingers, and the apparently long history surrounding the flame of frenzy. The DLC did not answer questions that badly needed answers, like some of the things you brought up around the 5 minute mark.
just like what happened with DS3 DLC, that's how From Software works, we are doomed.
There’s so much left to explore in Elden Ring just from what’s already in game (like Melina/Gloam-Eyed Queen, Godwyn, Renna, the Numen/Nox, etc). They could explore places like the Land of Reeds and/or the Badlands.
There could be more delving into the various Outer Gods and what happened with the Greater Will.
They can also come up with new content like what they did with SOTE.
I just can’t imagine leaving such an interesting (and wildly successful IP) to rot and wither away. Although if we do get more playable Elden Ring content, I wouldn’t expect to see it anytime in the next 3 years or so…
They might have not planned anything but after the dlc sales I’d be surprised if it was over.
One thing that I never really understood the reasoning behind was Miyazaki’s/Fromsoftware’s decision to not include any additional content whatsoever in the base game, I mean when they announced the map for SOTET was going to be separated from any location in the land between I knew not to expect anything like new locations on the map, new hidden dungeons, or new boss fights to appear in the main game when the DLC came out and it made sense, but if you ask me that’s not an excuse or rather there doesn’t appear to be any reason to not include in the base game content like new items to discover, new dialogue options for existing npc’s, new/additional steps to their quest lines, or even brand new quest lines that may involve entirely new characters as well as characters from the DLC/Realm of Shadow, it’s not like it would have been anything fundamentally new or groundbreaking (which is good on the devs part) but any of these avenues of content would have provided fans of Elden Ring (and especially fans of the lore) with ample content to comb through and allow for satisfying closure to certain unresolved threads in the story that feel like they were intended to be explored, having said that I understand and that there are (like in almost every FromSoft game) various plot points and references that were and are still currently intended to seem ambiguous therefore we should expect certain information to be left out of quests and item descriptions purposefully so as to allow us individually to fill in the gaps in the plot how we each see fit, but as stated in the video most aspects of Elden Ring’s story are a lot more direct compared to previous FromSoft games and a lot of Plot points and Quest lines in ER feel like they are meant to have definitive conclusions, the thing is that in these instances with the information we are given in-game a good majority of the fandom feel as though these “conclusions” weren’t satisfying enough or that they only work as conclusions if there is more to come or if this “definitive conclusion” leads into something else related to the plot in the future, and that therein lies the problem with the uncertainty of Elden Ring’s future as an IP or (if it is to be) a franchise and why many fans are anxious about what games FromSoftware are planning to develop and put out next; so in conclusion while it has already been well established that DLC in FromSoft games rarely adds content that affects the base game in any world-altering sort of fashion so not having that in Elden Ring isn’t the biggest deal and didn’t really come off as surprising (nor should it considering the amount unresolved plot threads and questions that are addressed and answered in the dlc… while also adding even more questions and lose threads, lmao) but even still I personally don’t think it’s unfair to say given the amount of questions regarding the overall lore of Elden Ring that remain up in the air that the lack of inclusion of content in the base game is a missed opportunity on FromSoft’s part, however I will say that the purposeful withholding of certain information does give me reason to hold out hope for (while also understanding there is the possibility that there simply will not be) an Elden Ring sequel game (Elden Ring 2, or whatever lol) as it’s a pretty safe bet that there will be more content that comes out of “the Elden Ring franchise” in what from or capacity we do not know but I am confident in definitively saying that in regards to the lore of the series in whatever form it is in the fans would ideally like the primary source material to be drawn from the game and that another installment in the game franchise would be the very best outcome.
Hopefully so. As much as I love Elden Ring I am ready to move onto whatever From does next tbh
It’s so successful that they know if they mentioned they were brainstorming it, they would be badgered every day for 3 years or however long until it’s officially announced. They just want to do other games first. Their commercial potential is huge,and more lore to explore. I’m sure we will get some supplemental stuff in the meantime, some more substantive patches, maybe a published graphic novel. I can see Elden Ring 2 being 10,000 years in the future, and enough time that no matter which ending we chose the world has somewhat reset (since they can’t do 6 separate sequels). In that far future case, I could see it being the return of Godwyn and the Crucible, fighting it out with a 3rd new major faction and some more minor ones with different demigods and new peoples.
I honestly just want more interesting and different games from them. More Armored Core, something similar to Sekiro, maybe a survival horror, or even a return to a King's Field-like. The souls-formula has been milked dry, I believe.
I bet even they kinda want to move on. But where do you go from here? Those games are good but they’re no souls game.
I think we have very little information on Radagons back story. The speculation that hes a Mimic king for Nox creates a wide open story arch if they wanted to do another dlc.
Fromsoft will never really give satisfying lore completion for any game they make unless it’s more narrative driven like Sekiro. And even that game has its own story vagueness. One of the reasons I loved Lies of P story so much was because it didn’t really do the vague lore stuff. What you saw was what you got and it was refreshing. I do still love the vagueness Zanzibart memes because it just has that Fromsoft feel. But I’ll never expect them to give THE BURNING ANSWERS to any of the questions they set up.
Lies of P devs already surpassed fromsoft with their first try of a game in that genre and second game ever as a studio.
That's raw talent right there. I'm still more hyped for lies of P DLC then anything from has done in the last year or two.
Only game fromsoft made that is on Lies of Ps level is Sekiro. No wonder it is what inspired the combat for lies of P.
If any DLC in the future, they can explore:
The other Outer Gods
The Badlands
The Giants
Godwyn
Malena and Ranni (since both of them are the only Cinematic endings)
God, that short Sekiro clip made me remember how focking good it was.
WAYYYY better than every other game they made EASILY
@@thedoomslayer5863 I disagree. It has one weapon and a limited fighting style.
It's a fantastic game, but it's difficult to compare it to the more expansive Souls games.
@@dynamicflashy That one weapon is the reason its combat is infinitely more refined and polished then any souls game ever was or could hope to be.
@@thedoomslayer5863boringly so… being tied down to only one main weapon and a few gimmick attachments is just sad. Sekiro was fun but it was the worst From game in the soulsborne series. Having options to play the way you want to play is #1 in these action rpg style games. The only people that would choose this game over the others are the dex/katana fans. The variety is what its all about !
The end is empty because you don't defeat Mequilla, you get your heart stolen and he wins... It's kind of obvious if you really think about it.
Late in development there were heavy changes to the dlc so whatever he stated to ign Japan it changed post that.
lol what
I was expecting more from miquella tbh. Or at least have him be a bit more present in a way. Also how cool would it have been if the shadow realm was unveilded at the end so it would connect with the rest of the map.
My personal hope for the next big FromSoft game / souls successor is a collab with Brandon Sanderson (he did get a package and said in the opening "I have a pitch") with the sekiro parry included
I saw Sekiro mentioned. Tell me all about this. Sekiro 2 must happen.
If no more DLCs will come they NEED to add a boss fight mode.
From Software ruined my gaming experiences.
I just can't play other games and not be thinking "damn this is not a From Software game, this is not even close to a From Software game"
It's just depressing. No other game fills my soul like Elden Ring has :(
Blame modern studios like EA, activision, ubisoft, and 2k for making souless projects with no passion in order to make shareholders happy. Companies like Bandai have people who put passion and effort into their game designs. Its very refreshing in the new era of unfinished games being release early with thousands of microtransactions
Try souls like, Nioh, even star wars fallen order. I feel the same way but you get used to the regular games again.
You should try Lies of P.
I absolutely love the Souls games and Elden Ring, but I actually think Lies of P is better than Fromsoft's games. A love letter to the genre that surpasses it's inspirations.
this be my issue too and I don’t even like older souls games much either. I just really heavily fuck with Elden ring and there’s nothing out there that comes close to that experience for me and it sucks
Tottally feel you, it's a curse!
I would kill for a second DLC focusing on the Godskins and Death. Sometimes I feel like, as much as I love it, SotE is to ER’s lore what Ashes of Ariandel was to DS3, like we’re still missing our Ringed City to put it all together
It’s really just the same debate everybody had during the end of DS3, that we’re having now. The amount of people dissatisfied about the fact, that the final boss of the DS trilogy was only introduced one DLC prior, and coming seemingly out of nowhere for people that didn’t pay attention to the story (Gael leaves tons of messages in the Ringed City, and the Painting Girl has dialogue about Gael seeking the Dark Soul), is basically 1 to 1 what the buildup to Radahn was in this DLC, just with Freya and Ansbach.
Guess what also happened once you beat Gael… pretty much nothing. You got an item you could trade in for like 4-5 lines of extra dialogue from an NPC, a ton of people were mad we didn’t even get a cutscene or anything. This DLC basically traded that dialogue for a cutscene, and people still complained.
The whole “It should’ve been Godwyn, it should’ve been this person or thaf one…” is also just a rerun of what has already happened before. Back in the day, it just took the form of: “Where’s Velka!? What about Allfather Lloyd!? So Gwynevere marries Flame God Flann, and we don’t get anything about any of them? Gertrude gets one incantation and we just never hear about her again? Gwyn doesn’t make a return!? etc…” and many many more.
At this point, I’m pretty much convinced we live in a simulation, where the same things are just bound to happen over and over again. The DLC will be beloved in 2 years, and at some point, when we’re waiting for the next FromSoftware title’s DLC, the Fanbase will just do a 180 again… I can already see it now: “Hold on, so mother of Damnation was referenced all over the base game but then doesn’t make an appearance in the DLC!?!?”
100% agree, the writing was always on the wall what this DLC would do. People will never get their expectations in check with FROM.
100% this
History is a spiral, we're doomed to repeat the same complaints for eternity
I completely forgot about Allfather Lloyd and Flann; those were very big deals that didn't even get cutscenes or lines of dialogue. Huge characters that, at the end, just like Velka, ended up being nothing.
It's comical how this happens every time a new game comes out. And the complaining about impossible bosses and then everyone makes fun of those people 1 year later
Is this the fault of the fanbase, or is it the fault of FROM? To leave people the dissatisfied with several endings to their settings I feel is a mark against them, not the fanbase
There are many possibilities for more DLC/a sequel. I hope they drop a surprise DLC in 3 years.
Please no elden ring 2. I just want another game. If the developers don't have good ideas for a sequel, don't force their hand. Milking a franchise is a sign of lack of artistic integrity, and it's the best way to kill any good impressions you have of the previous game. This is how you get assassin's creed shadows and whatever the fuck the latest wow expansions are
Finally a normal response. I agree, 100% there is really no need for a second game, maybe a short DLC that actually gives us a good fucking ending or allows us to talk to the Greater Will or whatever, but not a milking of the same IP. The story is as finished as it can be, it's not like in Dark Souls where the cyclical nature of the universe allowed for sequels
Well Mizaki did say that Elden Ring wasn't the RPG he wanted to make. He still has an even greater vision for his pinnacle RPG. What that is? Only our lord and saviour Mizaki knows. But man I can't wait to find out.
Please no more open-world games. Elden Ring is 80% meaningless fluff. It's bloated and yet lacks content. Go back to DS3 or Bloodborne days. It's ironic because all the best areas of Elden Ring are NOT open-world. They're instance based.
Finally a comment thread with some brains! Too many braindead fanboys just want Miyazaki to spam dark souls till the universe ends.
Elden Ring has if combat and mechanics still from DEMON SOULS which at this point is likely older than the kids asking for Elden Ring 2.
I hope their next game is something entirely new or a continuation on something with the potential to still change and innovate like a potential Sekiro 2. Or something entirely new.
LITERALLY ANYTHING BUT MORE SOULS SPAM.
the idea that one sequel is automatically "milking" is silly. If they have a good story idea, it isn't.
I agree, theres too many loose ends. If they did a destined death themed dlc with godwyn, melena(the gloam eyed queen) i would be super happy. Also miyazaki said the game was limegrave sized and had 10 bosses, hes known for not being upfront.
5:30 There was a good theory of that Red spear in Marika's womb.
It is a video explained by Gameplus titled Who did this.
And Basically what he proposed is that the Tarnished Player us is responsible for that spear because it's is destined death.
The Rune of Death just returned to the elden ring the moment we unleashed it back to tye land between and since the impenetrable thorns of Radagon have been burned the Rune of Death just return to where it came.
Inside the Elden ring, inside the vessel Queen Marika, Directly to the Vassal The Elden Beast that is why the Elden Beast has a scar under it as well.
In short Rune of Death unbound returns to the elden ring by stabbing both queen marika and the elden beast.
“I am not sated… I need… more… feed me…. More….”
Me because I loved the dlc so much that I want more of whatever Miyazaki is putting in that shit
If this is the end, my problem is that it's too open ended. In The Ringed City, we meet Gael at the end of time to finally put an end to this madness. Despite what he's doing, he knows he needs you, or someone like you. He may be determined, but he lacks our unbreakable nature. In the end, we're given hope for a better world after thousands of years of torment. In The Old Hunters, we bring an end to the Nightmare that's been plaguing Hunters of many different ages. Not that they don't deserve the torment, but it can't extend to everyone who participates forever. In the end, we stop the Nightmare and the Hunt and become humanity's next potential rebirth. Dark Souls 1 isn't a choice, it's an ultimatum. But at least there's an end to that chapter. Scholar of the First Sin intrigues us with a potential alternative, even if canonically that alternative was never found.
As incredible as Shadow of the Erdtree is, it doesn't give us any hope or new direction. It's just us putting down another insane, self-serving god grasping at power.
I think the biggest flaw of SOTE is definitely the deliberate avoidance towards connecting to the main game. The lack of a Miquella ending almost makes the DLC feel "pointless" for lack of a better term. Not even the crew in the Roundtable even acknowledge any of the events of the DLC and it's very disappointing. No Malenia, no Godwyn, no Ranni, no Melina.
@@PBart7 It's fun. But it's very unfulfilling. I would've loved to have seen something that explored Godwyn's corrupted existence, but we kill the only person who could've done something for him outside of Fia. So unless they make another DLC in the future, we won't have any answers. We won't know how Melina is both somehow alive, yet also a spirit. Nobody will be able to help Godwyn. He'll just be trapped for eternity. We won't know why Malenia even fought us in the first place, knowing very well that Miquella isn't even in the room.
Ok while i agree with the sentiment id have to point out miquella was far from insane or self serving. Hes literally given up everything he had, whether its his own flesh, lineage, or even allies, in order to pursue what he thinks is justice. If anything, the implication that he might have literally brainwashed everyone he called allies just serves to make his character that much more human. He was not a villain - he simply thought that there was no other way to make the world a gentler place, which we obviously dont get to see. He used whatever power he had to become a god, just like how the player does the same thing to become lord - in fact, by our standard miquella seems far more reasonable, as we literally murdered EVERYONE that stood in our way (and those who dont too!)
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 I’m not so sure if that’s the case, honestly. The presentation and final cutscene throw every bit of implied altruism for a self serving goal of being radahn’s consort, literally nothing else. You could argue that his path of sacrifice truly points towards an ultimate higher goal, but then we get the “real” lore behind malenia’s fight with radahn, which points towards a plan, but one based solely on radahn while charming anyone in order to achieve it.
The reason it feels so lackluster is probably because of a huge retcon and lack of a clear direction. Given the fact that there is so much content centered specifically around miquella, I have no doubt that this is the case to so e degree at least.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 Problem is he gave up all of those things to become something more powerful. Something more powerful, more volitile. He even gave up the very thing that was going to make his new world possible, his love. He might care, but all of his actions causes everyone around him to suffer as he's following the exact same path Marika went down. Thing is with Marika is that though she was a tyrant, though it may result in death, choice was still an option. In Miquella's world, there will be no choices, no consciousness. Just everyone worshipping him at all times in the name of what he thinks is equality. He's not a good person. He had Malenia attempt to kill Radahn after he told him no, which Miquella isn't used to. He tore Trina out of himself and left her to die at the bottom of a crater. Yeah, she was wilting. She literally can't live without him. He forced Mohg to become enamored with him and then used his corpse as a new vessel for his unwitting pawn of a husband. Radahn didn't get to choose. No one will.
Wholeheartedly agree, I simply cannot die happily without learning more about melina and/or the gloam eyed queen and fighting godwyn. I can accept the other loose ends as the traditional fromsoft mysteries but melina/gloam eye/godwyn will haunt me forever.
I’m extremely satisfied with the lore of the dlc. All the questions and mysteries around Marika were answered. Honestly don’t know what more can you ask for…
I liked the DLC but the lore is poor. Yeah they answered Marika and fingers and such. But Miquella was destroyed, Godwyn got nothing.
I am really happy with the DLC, and thought it was a great addition to the base game.
Things I would want could easily be added via patches and doesn't necessary require a DLC:
- A way to refight bosses without NG+. Ideally with options to scale difficulty and summon other players.
- Additional dialog (and possibly cut scenes) for some characters to tie in the base game to the DLC. If there's one character that deserves this it is Melina. Would be nice to see Malenia and Gideon getting some additional dialog.
I just find it super suspicious how a LOT of the questions we still have are related to death/destined death. Gloam eyed queen and the godskins, the black knife assassins, the nox, the golden child himself Godwynn. I just think it’s to convenient that shadow of the red tree touched on death a little but didn’t cover these left over questions. Almost like they’re leaving the door open intentionally. (Also I didn’t watch the video yet so if he talks about this I’m gonna feel stupid lol)
Miyazaki did say in an interview something along the lines of
"Elden Ring is still NOT the perfect game I want to create, but I am getting there"
Which leads me to believe there is something fundamentally "not perfect" in Elden Ring
So he'll probably build a completely new game from the ground up (Sekiro 2? Elden Ring 2? A completely new IP?)
It’s pretty clear that Elden Ring has some lackluster aspects, like the quest designs for example.
He said it's closer to it, but not quite there yet. That doesn't mean it'll be flawless though. Previous games have as many issues, if not more, than ER IMO.
From that interview, it looks like he wants to take that opportunity to work on his own "100% just for me" game while the other directors come out with the money makers.
I hope he means a new IP. Now everything needs to be a sequel or DLC
@@zarenboug5410don't forget the dated combat and mechanics dating back to DEMON SOULS.
I wish I didn't devour the game by rushing to to-do everything as fast as possible. Other than resetting my save because I messed up Thiollier's quest, I 100% completed the DLC and there's only emptiness. Combine with the fact the in the DLC everyone kind dies/disappears and so there's no one to visit even if it's just to hear repeated dialogue over and over again. I really wish From Software bless us a few additional content/quests/boss rush whatever
I need something like Bloodborne, nothing medieval fantasy, give me Victorian Gothic Magic thingie kinda in the vibe of Spellbound, give me Sekiro type Magic Combat or same things but with guns ! Or give me something that isn't post apo and everything is already dead
Too bad on the last part, a slowly fading world in an endless cycle is as inevitable in a Fromsoft game as a poison swamp
Nah apparently the brain dead fan boys just want more dark souls till the heat death of the universe.
I know Fromsoft doesn't really like actually telling a full story but instead get off on just dropping hints of this epic tale happening that you'll never fully understand but GOD DAMN did they ever start so many storylines in Elden Ring that they apparently have no intention of finishing which is just... frustrating.
For what it's worth, I think "parallels between Miquella and Ranni" and "truth about the Night of Black Knives" have the same answer.
Ranni and Miquella are the only real contenders for empyrean godhood, and if we assume Godwyn was Miquella's first choice in Consort, it makes sense why Ranni would target him. She also used the act to divest her own flesh, which seems to be an important part of the process.
There are Black Knives guarding the Liturgical Town, and surrounding Iji and Blaidd. It's possible Ranni betrayed her companions, but that never really sat right with me. I think these Knives are compelled by Miquella.
I actually never thought about miquella being the reason ranni chose godwyn but that makes so much sense
Yeah, the "Ranni had Blaidd and Iji killed" theory never sat right with me either.
She literally tells you to tell them she loves them and even has Blaidd locked in Darriwill's Gaol for his own safety. Why do that if she ultimately wanted him dead anyway?
Also, Iji mentions his helmet shields him from being found, and he only dies *after* you tell him you had to put down Blaidd, saying he'll join him soon. Meaning he likely removed it for a time so he could be found and die fighting.
Hell, Ranni doesn't even have Seluvis killed. It's heavily implied that he's another puppet being controlled by Pidia in Caria Manor, and Pidia gets killed by his puppets rising up against him.
Honestly, knowing what we know of Miquella now, him forcibly compelling the killers of his first pick consort to work for him is definitely up his alley.
@@lynn-Ryo damn, that's some good theorizing.
@@hot_soup4319 the other day I picked up the black knife armor, and it occurred to me that the corpse you get it from is, itself, a Black Knife and not a generic husk. It didn't make sense to me until this conversation, but that's certainly evidence they were not _all_ welcome. The fact they're guarding the Gaol, and not anywhere in the Haligtree, makes me think there was a failed assault
I don’t understand the implications here. Are you saying Miquella mind controlled Ranni to take out Godwyn since Godwyn was the clear first choice for Godhood? At what point does Ranni start being controlled by Miquella and is she still under his control while we do her questline to completion and become her consort?
FromSoft’s MO has, for a long time now, been to use real world and historical imagery in its fictional in game universes and themes heavily inspired by highly obscure real world history. It doesn’t have to be explicit because the point is to leave the customer dissatisfied which will keep them engaged. It’s brilliant from a storytelling and marketing point of view but absolutely maddening for people who desire to know every little detail.
The lore In The dlc answers so many questions from the base game I haven’t seen anybody cover it, but there are so many connections
And what are these answers no one is talking about?
@@piotrgazda5683 identity of the gloam eyed queen, why morgott and mohg were born as omen, why bayle attacked placidusax, what the great tree was, etc
@@piotrgazda5683 I could go on but there is still a lot to uncover
@@odin-force1252 Some of those questions don't seem to be answered though, just given a few more details. The DLC shows us that the Godskins grew out of what remained of the Hornsent, but doesn't really give us any other clues as to who the Gloam Eyed Queen is (beyond Melina being a lot less likely now due to potential timeline issues as well as the fact the Hornsent likely wouldn't follow the sister of Messmer). We get a potential origin of the Omen curse with the DLC, but as far as im aware the question of why Morgott and Mohg are Omen while none of Marika's other children are is never answered. A lot of the big lore questions were just given extra details for speculation, rather than any actual answers
@@communisticus191 wait where do you learn of the godskins origin?
Some imagery is just that, no more and no less. Someone said it looked cool, didn’t need an explanation and so they ran with it. They don’t do “satisfying resolutions”
i would love to see a game based in the same universe yet completely disconnected, maybe a sekiro type game in the land of reeds or a beastclaw focused game in the badlands
If ER were to get it's second DLC, that's where I want it to be.
In the Badlands aswell as the Land of Reeds.
That wouldn't happen unless From Software makes a MMO then you could see something like we playing in the usual Lands of Gods like other soul games and also visiting the countries outside of it, that are always mentioned but never shown.
@@Hunko115 exactly my two wishes
Red spear was messmers Margot lets him through because he’s still loyal to the order but when he returns home after having enabled his mothers last wish to kill her … he becomes crestfallen and inevitably succumbed to the serpent in his last fight with the tarnished
i loved armored core so much
AC6 made me so happy 😊
The best possible update that Fromsoft could do is add covenants into the game. There's sooo many factions and with an overhaul to online play it could be so easy go creats a passionate community around it.
I think Miyazaki left us a hint with the tiny tree in the dlc.
the one in shaman village?
@@aethony It's the only Minor Erdtree that didn't sprout from a Golden Seed.
@@mmyr8ado.360 interesting
yeh because marika made it
Unlikely. The tree and the whole shaman village are a device to show a human side to marika. Which it greatly succeeds in doing. It’s all but stated that this is her last goodbye to her past and nothing else.
Wishlist:
1. More armor (example Artorias/Abyss Watchers) dlc treasure chest in the base game or dlc
2. Godwyn small dlc expansion
The frenzied flame ending is explained allegorically. Melina takes the shape of eternal death, chasing the flame, which is eternal life (the one great). That's the answer-- it's not terribly complicated.
I think the SotE was partially a test for their future storytelling. It’s the first time in a soulsborne game that it felt like things are actively happening around me. Like Miquella breaking his great rune, finding ledas notes, etc. usually, everything in the world is already set, and we’re the disrupters. It really felt like I was chasing after miquella. I hope they use techniques like that in the future.
Be careful what you wish for, Zio. Remember that if Fromsoftware had decided to definitively answer certain burning questions (what happens after FF ending, what's the deal with Marika and Radagon etc), chances are that these answers would be underwhelming and unsatisfying compared to what we've all built up in our imaginations. I personally want the sense of mystery and wonder to be preserved.
Yeah, but some questions still need actual answers or more information, so we can have theories instead of just wild guesses.
I don't think an answer for how Marika and Radagon is the same person CAN be boring.
Like how tf is that answer going to be dissapointing.
Like when they answered what was manus and people couldn't accept he just was a pigmy Lord and not the Furtive Pigmy
To be honest the last card to make a dlc, is Godwynn and the gloam eyed queen. We got an end to the dragons, Marika, kinda the fingers, and a lot of crucible stuff. But idk if those 2 things would be able to make a whole DLC. It can be like ds1, time travel to the past, when Godwyn was alive, and maybe the Queen.
I was so disappointed by the end boss I stopped playing, really let down by the main narrative, but I loved Mesmer.
I still feel like they will make another DLC. The main reasoning behind this is the preorder emote being a circle above for the base game and a circle to the one side for the DLC. It would make sense to have 1 more going the other direction. This would work with the Elden Ring logo and with the Order emotes being left, right and center (t pose). They also added new spells and incantations that you can not get, similar to what they did with the base game. They said for the base game they had no plans on making any DLC until a few months after the game came out. I feel like in a year we will get a DLC 2 announcment. One can only dream though and I am hoping the preorder emotes is a sign.
Fromsoftware always leaves me so confused. They’re so unpredictable. I have absolutely no clue what they will do next. Can you imagine years from now a random trailer drop for Elden ring 2 out of nowhere?
Like... 2 years from now? Yea.
@@dg3734 maybe longer unfortunately.
@@Oddspace337 nah this year the next annoucment will come
I feel you, Ziostorm. I’ll be thinking about Elden Ring probably for the rest of my life. If it ends, so be it. But I’ll always wonder where things could’ve gone.
the lore of Elden Ring is left intentionally vague, while a TV show or a movie would most likely expand on the lore and I just don't think that would work as well.
Obviously you've never seen more than 3 movies/shows in your entire life.
@@RoninYeti Everyone has, don't be so stupid.
@@icebox1954 Stop being autistic, I was alluding to the fact that this person hasn't seen enough media to know that shows can pull off the same "vagueness" and still be amazing.
5:47 maybe with have the necessary clues to answer those question. I'm still astonished that 8 years after it's launch, we discovered huge secret on DS1
I'm talking about "Ash Lake, Havel, and the Plot against the Gods (from Hawkshaw)" if you've not seen it
I think we will get more content for Elden Ring even if it's not another full blown DLC or Elden Ring 2...
What could actually be fun is a DLC sized game that is a sequel based of the Endings maybe in the far future of either endings and some elaboration of the lore from that perspective, It would essentially be its own thing but it could answer some questions about the world that was there before.
The end of the DLC felt disrespectful
Making Radahn that hard of a boss for such an underwhelming ending isnt leaving loose ends, its tossing trash under the bed and telling your dad you cleaned your room.
Love the game loved the dlc
But the ending was disrespectful and the dlc felt like they scrapped it and what we got was a rushed and honestly kind of half assed
I believe the spear impaling Marika is just a faded light spear that you get hit with if the elden beast grabs and crucifies you.
Melina is the gloam eyed queen. The fact she opens her remaining gloam coloured eye, and last words are "destined death" which was the power chanelled by the gloam eyed queen to create god-slaying black flames (which she intends on using again since you've become the lord of frenzied flame). Or at least, she has inherited the gloam eyed queens will. Godwyn was the golden child prized by Marika, weakened by the black knives but ultimately killed by Ranni who needed to sacrifice two bodies to obtain the two centipede-like halves of the death rune. She also killed Godwyn because he embodied the Golden Order, something Ranni wanted to free herself from. She used her own body and Godwyn's. She killed Godwyn's spirit in the process who could not be revived by Marika. Marika in her torment of losing her golden son shattered the Elden Ring. Ranni divested herself of her flesh similiar to Miquella and gained the tarnished as her consort to ascend to godhood. And I can only assume that Ranni and Miquela's relation was strained, as both had the same goal to ascend to Godhood, but had different ideas of how the order of things should be, Miquella wanting to place a spell over everyone for his age of compassion (by control) and Ranni wanting her own age of the stars which is more dark and uncertain (but free from outer god influence).
My favorite part of all fromsoft ware games are the npc’s, I want them to just add little npc dlc that have there own quest lines and loot for you to obtain at the end