Superb work Shad. No doubt you'll be pulling it in no time. The newness of a fresh bow certainly makes a difference. And just for the record, I weighted it at 124lb @ 30". For those watching who don't do archery, that's equivalent to a small person that Shad is lifting, with three fingers.
I'm impressed by shad pulling his heavy bows so easily. Im a target / 3D shooter and more draw weight than my 30# at the moment would lead to worse accuracy because of more strain.... It baffles me how he can pull bows that heavy... Am I the only one bowing before watching shad pull such weights?
About lifting a small person with three fingers- I took up rock climbing to get over a fear of heights. More than once I found myself lifting all 150# of *me* with three fingers. I'm not positive that would be a reasonable training exercise for Shad, nor how far he'd have to travel to find good rocks to climb, but depending on his own weight he could try doing one-handed pull-ups.
Glad to see you getting this 120lb proper longbow instead of the laminates. You’ll get to that draw weight soon I’m sure! Try bending your back more slumber back style like mark Stretton, I use that technique to pull 140lb
One of my favorite fun facts about medieval archers is they can tell who were the archers at battle grave sites. This is due to greater bone density in the arms and upper chest because of just how heavily muscled they were from years of training with heavy longbows. That's one thing I dislike about RPGs making longbows a dexterity based weapon when you need to be relatively strong to simply use it effectively.
Yup, and I've heard archers used to even have kind of warped bones from the weight of the bow. Probably because of poor diet softening the bones though.
@@williansnobre Shadowrun does this by default usually. Most weapons are AGI-based when it comes to making a hit, but melee-weapons and bow-damage comes from STR.
...And shoot with it at his own castle, to properly test it on an historically accurate target. Sacrifices have to be made, in the name of science! I wonder, if his Bow-Guys make ballista arrows / bolts or proper Onager ammunition?
@@HistoricalWeapons I hope you don't mind me posting the link shad, here is the channel of "historical archery" ua-cam.com/channels/o9_hkkHwy8GcONynz4sz_Q.html
@@Dnahwjjwjejnenex I mean that link have essentially already been posted right above your comment already, since clicking the name of historical archery would also take you to that url ;)
I swear, watching Shad get excited over these weapons then explain their history and function is my favorite way to be educated. He's just adorable, the energy is infectious.
The problem is that strength does an equally terrible job at predicting archery performance. Strength, in DnD or RPG terms, is associated with general strength, whereas archery requires strength in muscles that aren't used for a lot of other things. Being able to shoot a heavy bow comes from proper technique and a lot of practice; going to the gym and doing a typical weight training regimen will do very little to help you pull a heavier bow. I've seen someone who is obviously stronger than I am struggle with a 55# bow after only a few shots, while I'd been shooting my 78# Hun for a few hundred arrows straight with no breaks and hadn't started shaking at all yet. Even so, I'm certain that if I'd arm wrestled him (or competed against him lifting, or some other test of strength), I'd have lost badly. Basically, if they wanted to make archery in RPGs realistic, it would be neither strength nor dexterity, but how much you practice archery. Hulking brutes who mostly use their halberds or greatswords and only pull out a bow when they have no other choice (and almost never practice with it) are not going to perform as well as the comparatively thin adventurer who practices and uses a bow constantly.
D&D 3.5 handles composite bows like this a bit better. They use dexterity for attack rolls, since that and any feat/class bonuses determine if you hit for ranged weapons. But they have varying strength ratings(draw weight), which your character needs to meet to not take an attack penalty. At the same time higher strength bows allow you to add more of your strength modifier to your damage roll. Meaning to get the most out of composite bows in D&D, you need a combination of strength, feats(skill), and dexterity.
Another reason to use sapwood bellies if the mechanical benefit is negligible is because it isn't good for anything else. If you don't use the sapwood you need to grow your yew larger to get the same number of bows from your yew tree.
The sapwood was the back, not the belly, but regardless, that isn't the case. They were perfectly willing to cut away and discard a lot of heartwood in order to have that sapwood backing, even in cases when the tree was big enough that they easily could have done away with the sapwood and made the same number of bows from it.
I think another reason for using half sap wood and heart wood from yew is that you don't have as much waste as when you only use heart wood. Yew has very narrow sap wood (sometimes half inch). So this thickness fits well for a bow. Furthermore the bigger yew trees I saw were mostly unevenly grown or twisted. So when you found a straight piece of wood you would try to get as many bows out of it as possible.
There are a few things I love from this video but the two things I'm going to say is, I love how he gets all excited when just warming up with this bow, like he looks like a kid in a candy shop, the other thing I love is hearing that arrow loose from the bow and the sound of it hitting, like it's sounds soooooo good and satisfying to hear every time. I don't know why but I love it.
I appreciate the sourcing you did at the start of the video, because I've always wanted to find an accurately made classic longbow for myself. I shoot instinctively and I like to mess around with different bows for fun.
Does that rhythm work in Welsh? English king issuing bows and sheaves of arrows to English Longbowmen before battle. Welshman 1: Going to use any of those? Welshman 2: Not if I can help it, brought my own and been making my own since the campaign started.
Shad I don't know if anyone has told you, but you are looking so much better now. that surgery seemed to help you a lot. I am very happy that you did it.
I love that tens of thousands of people from around the world tune in regularly to watch an excitable Aussie film himself doing experimental archaeology in his back yard. What a great time to be alive!
The people who rag on Shad about shooting style and if it's 'proper' or not are missing one big point: There probably is no single 'proper' way people shot bows throughout history. Just look at handgun shooting and the various stances and methods for that. It's changed drastically through the centuries of shooting, and even from decade to decade. There's always some new 'mega super tactical' way to shoot a handgun. I'm certain shooting bows was no different in their own time. One person shot a bow one way, another shot a bow another way, both thought their way was 'best' or at least best for them. Maybe some would have been better shots if they shot another way. Maybe they wouldn't have been. Either way, I guarantee you if you went back in time and asked 10 different archers what the 'proper' way of shooting was you'd get 11 different answers. It's no different today with handguns. The important thing is you cover the basics: Don't get slide bite, hit your target, don't hit what you don't want to kill, and preferably don't get hit yourself if you're being shot at in return. Some methods may be more efficient at achieving this than others, and some might be better for different people. Three of those pretty much seem to apply to archery too. Hit your target, don't hit what you don't want to kill, don't get shot back. I guess the slide bite you could replace with don't slap yourself with the bowstring. If it works, it works. I doubt in the Medieval world that an archer would care much if he's using the 'proper' stance so long as he's hitting his target and not getting hit by his own bowstring. Sidenote, I wonder if there were any treatises written back and forth by two master archers talking crap about each other's shooting methods and trying to convince everyone else they were the one doing it 'the right way.'
There’s a huge number of ways you can do the task, but there’s way lower variety of ways to do the task _efficiently_. Hence, organized training, where people spend half their life practicing and another half helping other people to practice, tends to slip down to just a handful of methods, with ever decreasing number of differences in it. So yes, for a non-specialist it will result in a single “proper” way of doing things - because basic things will be pretty much the same. Not hitting your arm with a string involves some very specific adjustments, not always clear for self-learners. “Hit your target” is a huge set of various technical aspects including the posture, draw, anchoring, aiming, release - by far not the basic. Most of those things are not obvious for novices. Many of those things remain poorly cleared in self-learners. “Proper” thing is a thing that works the best among available. The “killer feature“ of the “right side Mediterranean draw” is the _speed_. It isn’t more accurate, it isn’t less tiring, it gives you no additional draw length. It is only about a perceived speed of nocking the arrow. But we’ve seen multiple examples of people shooting from the left side faster, including shooting heavier bows - meaning the only benefit of the “Shad method” is questionable. At the same time it involves funny things like moving your thumb up (inevitably putting more tension into your left hand and contacting the arrow more) and tilting the bow left (while even those “proper” styles that really shoot from the right side tilt right - because it’s a natural way to put the top limb out of the sight line). Those funny things make this style harder without obvious benefits. So the question arises - why would anyone with access to information on different draw styles choose it? Shad is obviously proud of his “impossible invention” (which is not impossible - it’s simply inefficient), but why other people would do it on a large scale? About your side note - check “Arab archery”, it will give you a good impression of how much variety archery had in the region, and involves multiple styles from multiple masters. Those differences are discussed in a very detailed way - and are surprisingly small. Same as modern handgun shooting doesn’t involve shooting with your leg, or reloading with your teeth as a seriously discussed technique, there will be no visible difference for an amateur. And, of course, a mandatory picture with accurately depicted fingers and a historically accurate bow with a professional archer posing :) qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c366ed32ab76597908191ab63aa10817
There are proper ways to shoot in a sense of range safety. If he lets go of that arrow during his tremendous sky draw, he might murder someone 1km downrange of him. Also there's the risk of him hurting himself.
First of all, that's a terrible comparison. If your skeleton isn't in proper alignment with a pistol, you don't handle the recoil as well, but suffer no injury for it. If you're not using proper alignment with a heavy bow, you get a torn rotator cuff or lateral epicondylitis. And Shad, for all of his insistence that he's still in proper shoulder alignment (not that we can actually tell given his insistence on wearing armor every time he shoots on camera), is not in proper alignment with his torso (which changes how much of the load his core muscles can take up, which is a minor problem) or his bow side elbow rotation (which actually is a serious problem, and he's risking injury rotating it backward like that). That's not to say that he'll definitely be injured, but it's much more risky than proper form and gives no actual benefit.
HE NEVER STOPS, HE JUST KEEPS GROWING AND WITH EVERY BOW, HE IS A BIGGER THREAT THAN MOST 'ARCHERS'! Seriously Shaddy, I though we agreed to stop on 100 lb...
I honestly struggle to believe that some people still argue about "correct" side of the bow to place arrow on. Didn't japanese warriors place the arrow explicitly on the outside? Japanese art of shooting a bow is well documented, preserved and still practised to this day, even as family traditions. Of course, Japanese bows were diffrent (upper limb was neatly twice as long as the other one), but still, if it wasn't a viable method to shoot, it wouldn't remain so well preserved. I saw a documentary about it long time ago, so I don't remember any of the names or details, but I'm fairly sure this was a thing, and results were comparable to european longbow with inside placed arrow. So, there is a whole culture that has arrow place on the outside as the correct way, even going as far as having a defined philosophy of using a bow.
In Asiatic (not just Japanese) archery you use thumb draw which uses the knuckle of the index finger to cradle the arrow on the right. Europeans use Mediterranean draw which is three fingers, it’s an apples to oranges comparison but it does dispel some of the more exaggerated claims.
i guess internet people don't realize how diverse culture was before globalization. We might all be ascended from the same people but over thousands of years we grew apart and have different languages even. Different ways of cooking every new plant that is grown and seemingly different styles of crafting and using bows.
It's the superiority paradox. Once you have so much time invested mastering a skill and gaining social status because of it the human ego doesn't want to accept a loss in status through the intervention of new information. It happens in religion, martial arts, sports, science, education, politics. It's the human condition. Deep down we're all just cry babies of a sort.
What are you doing Shad? Hollywood says that not only you but your family should all be able to full draw and hold for a few minutes no problem! P.S. She's a beautiful bow
This baguette is bigger www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-baguette#:~:text=The%20longest%20baguette%20is%20132.62%20m%20%28435%20ft,listed%20on%20our%20website%20are%20current%20and%20up-to-date.
Shad please please continue this. I love every aspect of it. The history lessons just really bring you into the mindset of the time and there’s an appreciation that come into play when watching you do anything. Thank you.
Sounds like the sapwood/heartwood thing is a durability thing, but in that way where everyone just nods along when it comes up because it sounds like a good idea. Maybe they were just being cheap with the amount of heartwood if it was a more valued building material or something.
It is a durabilty thing, but maybe not the only reason. Making a bow of different kinds of wood does affect how long and how it can be used. If you use the "wrong" type of wood you have to be careful the back of the bow doesnt crack and the belly doesnt get compression spots wich weaken and eventualy might break the bow. I make bows myself, both out of 1 piece (selfbows) and made up of different layers of (different) wood
I like the sheer, natural joy you show in this video. Glad to see, that you really enjoy showing us your world and, while we are there, teach us a thing or two.
Girth in all the right places, and in all the right ways. Dude, seriously. You are looking good! The comparison to older you in that flash-back is an impressive change. Keep it up! You're an inspiration. And the new bow is a beauty! Absolutely the right kind of Thicc on her. I propose Genevieve for her name.
As far as I've seen its the modern archery community that is still being argumentative about this archery styles validity. But its seems the war bow and general historical enthusiast communities (including actual historians) feel that its completely valid and want to engage with its potential merits. Its almost like modern archers feel like this invalidates their interest, when in reality its a separate thing altogether. Just let both things exist side by side.
I think in archery its whatever works. It doesn't matter about style or technique as long as it works and you can hit a target. That said though, the thumb support for the arrow is risky where the fetching can cut your thumb if it's going fast enough.
@@TheKamiBunny Well, yes and no. Technique still matters. Just more than one technique can work. But bad technique can still cause severe injury. Even in this vid Shad talks about shoulder rotation, which seems to be something you should never do, no matter what style of archery you're doing.
I shoot exclusively English and asiatic warbows, and my criticism of what he's doing isn't anything about invalidating interest, it's about improper elbow rotation on the string side. Partial rotation forward is preferred because of the way the load sits on the bones in the forearm and on the elbow and wrist joints; backwards rotation, as he does, risks injury. I also take issue with his claim that the fact that it hasn't injured him yet is at all meaningful, since there have been examples of people doing improper draw and feeling comfortable with it for nearly five years before the injuries manifested. I'm not saying he will absolutely injure himself, but he is taking a risk doing so, and encouraging others to do the same (as well as moving up in draw weight too quickly; the muscles build more quickly than the other soft tissues, so jumping up quickly can cause injury even on a bow you are capable of drawing without too much difficulty).
@@TheKamiBunny Not worried about fletchings biting the thumb (under normal conditions, they're going to be going over the knuckle instead after all). My concern is that elbow, and he puts so much emphasis on shoulder alignment (which still might be wrong in a way completely unrelated to his arrow inside vs outside debate, although it's impossible to see clearly when he has a gambeson on) but completely ignores proper elbow rotation.
@@alexanderflack566 And you have zero evidence that any of your claims have any validity in this style. As he has demonstrated over and over and over. Your speaking from experience in a completely different style. Its like Football (Soccer) player, telling a Rugby player how to kick a ball. They are similar in many ways but fundamentally different. Experience in one does not translate to the other. I would consider the expertise on a doctor or physiotherapist who specialises in sports related injury treatment and prevention. But they would have to be a neutral party who is there to look into its risks and merits.
I can't believe I watched a video of Shad unwrapping, pulling on, and gripping his heavy, girthy shaft. Seriously I'm having a giggle every time Shad makes a comment about his shaft xD
Unlike many still think, the people from the past were not ignoramus idiots. They had great engineering and craftsmanship, besides producing great art. Bows are just another example of that. Incidentally, for me, at least, they're both great craftsmanship and great art, unlike contemporary weapons, which are all business and no poetry.
Eh, English longbows were all business and no poetry. They typically didn't have grips or decorations, beyond the horn nocks (which served to prevent the string from biting into the fairly soft yew) and the maker's mark (which served as a marker to indicate where the arrow should pass, so you can put your hand in a consistent place relative to the nocking point on the string). If you want art, look at composite bows: www.manchuarchery.org/content/qing-dynasty-precious-bow mandarinmansion.com/item/very-fine-ottoman-bow i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/7f/e3/e37fe311f93c83eb2bda470d2389b574.jpg And modern reproductions: salukibow.com/index.php/horn-bows/ www.grozerarchery.com/htm/szkita/e3/j/6b.htm www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/ex3/j/7.htm www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/ex3/j/6.htm www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/bio/j/8.htm www.grozerarchery.com/htm/indo/trh2/j/6.htm www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/biom/j/6.htm
People in the old times had less access to education and resources, but thats basicaly it. The people who were educated on the subjects would of been as smart (possibly smarter in the case of archery as archery is much more prevalent in that time) they werent dumb they werent idiots, they just had less easy access to the knowledge required.
Don't know if this was already stated. I make self bows and while I don't work with yew as its hard to acquire I can say the primary benefit to keeping the sapwood on is ease of production. Chasing a heartwood ring would make it take longer to produce and increase risk of damage to the wood as removing the bark is much easier than getting a single layer of heartwood. As for the wiggles in the grain it is best to go with the grain and not try to correct it if possible. So long as the string passes through the center and is not excessively off to one side it will be fine, otherwise you will get sideways torque which could damage the bow and make it much less smoother to draw. Little kinks in the wood that make the an easier path for the arrow are always welcome when they happen. I'm working on an elm longbow with a kick to one side and has good clearance if shot upside down; however, I have a pet peeve about the bow being used in the same way it grew so I see it as taboo for the top of the tree to be the bottom limb.
Shad, you seem to be more energetic these past few months, you've been outside a lot. Now you're attempting a 120lb bow. Are you feeling better post surgery? I pray you are sir.
The war arrows are so heavy they would do great as javelins on their own (either with a piece of leather tied at point of balance to increase grip, or as "swiss arrows"). Please do a video on it!
Looking good, people forget that medival archers were shooting from when they were kids, and many had deformations in the arms and shoulders because they'd train so much. So being able to learn how to use a heavy poundage bow takes a lot of skill
Okay I have an admittedly odd question about this bow - There was some talk of using bows as melee weapons, and it's shown quite unrealistically in media a couple times, but I'm thinging, since this one is so damn girthy, would it actually be an okay weapon to just smack someone in the face with? I mean ordinary bows I know don't really work very well, but this one is a damn humongous piece of wood.
I doubt it would be a standard use of the weapon - archers are most effective when kept out of melee combat, so their training would probably be focused on keeping out of melee if at all possible. That said, there are *plenty* of examples in history of equipment issued to soldiers being used in creative ways when things go poorly. For a later example, WWI proved that the bayonets issued to soldiers for melee combat were not effective when used in smaller groups - soldiers with sharpened shovels or knives (often repurposed dinner knives, at first) just had to avoid one attempt to skewer them before they were past and closed to a range where their short weapon could be used but the bayonet was several feet behind them and completely useless. Since then, soldiers have been issued combat knives over swords or bayonets, and trenching tools (shovels) generally come pre-sharpened - one of the many lessons learned during that war. So...I'm 100% certain that there are cases where longbowmen used their bows as clubs rather than dropping them and running or drawing a sword, either because they didn't want to drop the bow so they could continue to fight after they managed to withdraw to a suitable position or because they just didn't have time to draw their sword. Whether there's good historical documentation of this, or if it was ever taught as a proper part of using the bow in battle, I don't know. But there's been a lot of wars where longbows were used, and archers are often targets of enemy attacks specifically because they're a major threat if left unopposed, so the chances that nobody ever did that are virtually nil. And from the size of it, I can definitely see it being at least somewhat effective - probably a bit unwieldy as an improvised club, but certainly capable of dealing significant damage. (All that said, I would not be surprised if archers using the smaller kinds of bow tried to do so as well, though I suspect they would have met with less success.
You _could,_ it's just not recommended since you can damage the bow (which is more expensive than a quarterstaff and more fragile) and were probably carrying a sword and buckler or something as a sidearm anyway.
Superb work Shad. No doubt you'll be pulling it in no time. The newness of a fresh bow certainly makes a difference. And just for the record, I weighted it at 124lb @ 30". For those watching who don't do archery, that's equivalent to a small person that Shad is lifting, with three fingers.
The record is 240lb & was set in China!
I'm impressed by shad pulling his heavy bows so easily. Im a target / 3D shooter and more draw weight than my 30# at the moment would lead to worse accuracy because of more strain.... It baffles me how he can pull bows that heavy... Am I the only one bowing before watching shad pull such weights?
I would love getting into this style of archery however since I'm in South Africa I have no good options for bows and/or apparel.
And shad was about to think a name to this bow, why not the "small boy" or "small bowie" mixing bow and boy
About lifting a small person with three fingers- I took up rock climbing to get over a fear of heights.
More than once I found myself lifting all 150# of *me* with three fingers.
I'm not positive that would be a reasonable training exercise for Shad, nor how far he'd have to travel to find good rocks to climb, but depending on his own weight he could try doing one-handed pull-ups.
Glad to see you getting this 120lb proper longbow instead of the laminates. You’ll get to that draw weight soon I’m sure! Try bending your back more slumber back style like mark Stretton, I use that technique to pull 140lb
or try thumb draw
this guy has 240lb longbow lol
What’s slumberback
@@marcellusbrutus3346 slump back, sticking your butt to get more back muscle
Waiting to see you personally be able to beat that 240lb some day! Legs dont count! (Loved that vid)
One of my favorite fun facts about medieval archers is they can tell who were the archers at battle grave sites. This is due to greater bone density in the arms and upper chest because of just how heavily muscled they were from years of training with heavy longbows. That's one thing I dislike about RPGs making longbows a dexterity based weapon when you need to be relatively strong to simply use it effectively.
It should be DEX to calculate hit but having STR requirements to be able to use. It can be implemented as house rules.
Yup, and I've heard archers used to even have kind of warped bones from the weight of the bow. Probably because of poor diet softening the bones though.
@@williansnobre Shadowrun does this by default usually. Most weapons are AGI-based when it comes to making a hit, but melee-weapons and bow-damage comes from STR.
If anything, *swords* should be DEX based, since they are mostly fast, agile, maneuverable, very skill-based weapons.
play Kingdome Come :-)
5 years from now shad will be pulling a Roman Ballista just with raw back and shoulder strenght.
...And shoot with it at his own castle, to properly test it on an historically accurate target.
Sacrifices have to be made, in the name of science!
I wonder, if his Bow-Guys make ballista arrows / bolts or proper Onager ammunition?
idk why but the image that gave me made me almost die of laughter
Where is the mountain shad picture when you need it
people should check out historical archery, he has 240lb longbow and pulled a 190lb turkish bow. mad lad
thanks for the shoutout, i tried to pull 190lb turkish bow, but I only got it like 26 inches draw length lol
@@HistoricalWeapons I hope you don't mind me posting the link shad, here is the channel of "historical archery" ua-cam.com/channels/o9_hkkHwy8GcONynz4sz_Q.html
@@Dnahwjjwjejnenex I mean that link have essentially already been posted right above your comment already, since clicking the name of historical archery would also take you to that url ;)
@@GummieI Shhh, shhh. Just let him do it. Too pure, and innocent to the ways of UA-cam. He’ll figure it out in his own time.
@@chickenmonger123 So unbelievably based!
An unboxing video, a military history video, a weapons demonstration video, and a workout video, all in one! Shad is a renaissance Tuber.
I swear, watching Shad get excited over these weapons then explain their history and function is my favorite way to be educated. He's just adorable, the energy is infectious.
In this video, Shad shows us his girthy shaft for twenty minutes.
Curved girthy shaft.
he does have a great big one doesnt he?
It’s times like this where I am reminded of the other Shad on the internet. You know who I’m talking about
Quite the handful
So darn thicc
Shad: *Draws new Longbow*
Shad: *menacing Murder-Giggle*
I'm just loving it
He sounds so happy!
Oh, that's what that noise is called lol
time stamp?
Shad: "This requires strength."
RPG enthusiasts: "BOWS ARE A DEXTERITY WEAPON!"
Shad: "you try it."
The problem is that strength does an equally terrible job at predicting archery performance. Strength, in DnD or RPG terms, is associated with general strength, whereas archery requires strength in muscles that aren't used for a lot of other things. Being able to shoot a heavy bow comes from proper technique and a lot of practice; going to the gym and doing a typical weight training regimen will do very little to help you pull a heavier bow. I've seen someone who is obviously stronger than I am struggle with a 55# bow after only a few shots, while I'd been shooting my 78# Hun for a few hundred arrows straight with no breaks and hadn't started shaking at all yet. Even so, I'm certain that if I'd arm wrestled him (or competed against him lifting, or some other test of strength), I'd have lost badly. Basically, if they wanted to make archery in RPGs realistic, it would be neither strength nor dexterity, but how much you practice archery. Hulking brutes who mostly use their halberds or greatswords and only pull out a bow when they have no other choice (and almost never practice with it) are not going to perform as well as the comparatively thin adventurer who practices and uses a bow constantly.
@@alexanderflack566 ayo shut up no one finna read all that
D&D 3.5 handles composite bows like this a bit better. They use dexterity for attack rolls, since that and any feat/class bonuses determine if you hit for ranged weapons. But they have varying strength ratings(draw weight), which your character needs to meet to not take an attack penalty. At the same time higher strength bows allow you to add more of your strength modifier to your damage roll.
Meaning to get the most out of composite bows in D&D, you need a combination of strength, feats(skill), and dexterity.
@@cryptic2702 I read all of it :(
Atleast Shad will have enough weapons, clothes and armor to fill his future castles. This is what I call INVESTMENT.
He will provide arms, armor and a castle to all the surrounding towns.
@@OlrikMeister hmmm.... an idea.
That’s what he tells his wife anyway.
“Shad! Did you buy more gambesons?”
“Yeah, But they’re an investment for the Shadlands”
Brooklyn gonna be stacc'd AF
He's in an arms race with himself!
Shad’s fashion is all the rage in Arthur’s Court these days.
Im not sure if its the outfit or if you've genuinely lost so much weight but you look so much thinner. Either way, looking trim, Shad 👍
It is good for his health and that is good for his family and us, his fans. 😊
Thought I was immagining it but yea, lookin good Shad
He lost weight man I been watching for years and he more like kenobi at the same time lol 😂
plot twist: hes actually thin since the start and in the past he was wearing 5 layers of gambesons
He is becomming a beast only through archery
Fun to watch Shad slowly transition from Nerd to Jock as his interests and hobbies evolve
From Shad, to Chad: adventures of a buff nerd.
@@DH-xw6jp it's his super seiyan form! (Hair color change not included)
>implying Shad isn't actually a Gigachad in the first place
there's a reason why it Shad rhymes with Chad
I don't see it all I see is nerd but maybe I need to look back
@@DH-xw6jp That has got to be the title of his biography.
he's so excited, it's so cute
Shad: *mentions features*
*Jörg has entered chat*
See, Shad hasn't lost weight, he just transferred it all to his bows.
Nice one, I got a good chuckle out of that. Thanks.
Another reason to use sapwood bellies if the mechanical benefit is negligible is because it isn't good for anything else. If you don't use the sapwood you need to grow your yew larger to get the same number of bows from your yew tree.
The sapwood was the back, not the belly, but regardless, that isn't the case. They were perfectly willing to cut away and discard a lot of heartwood in order to have that sapwood backing, even in cases when the tree was big enough that they easily could have done away with the sapwood and made the same number of bows from it.
Japanese bows also has that intentional sideways curve to let the arrow leave the bow more cleanly and therefore wobbly far less.
“I really should’ve brought a knife” -Shad with a sword on his hip
“What should I name this one?”
Girth.
That's not girth. This is girth:
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Big Bertha
Gainsley
Dickens
Buffton
Bigsby
@@alexanderflack566 Please tell me that huge bow needs to rest on the floor in order to be shot
@@Space_Drifter0621 Resting the bottom limb of a bow on the ground while shooting it is a terrible idea
Looking at the size of the bow ,the whole “bows as melee weapons” needs maybe a 10-15 minute revisiting video.
That's no longer a bow. That's a quarterstaff with a string.
@@huntclanhunt9697 Think of the implications of that string if you can manage to get the bow over someone's head and around their neck.
@@sokar_rostau Get it around their neck, plant your foot on their chest, pull and release.
@@PongoXBongo That would make for one heck of a headache... for all of three seconds, maybe less.
14:16 Yew vs the Bow she tells you not to worry about.
nice
Did you just-
I think another reason for using half sap wood and heart wood from yew is that you don't have as much waste as when you only use heart wood.
Yew has very narrow sap wood (sometimes half inch). So this thickness fits well for a bow.
Furthermore the bigger yew trees I saw were mostly unevenly grown or twisted. So when you found a straight piece of wood you would try to get as many bows out of it as possible.
There we go again, Shad is all excited about pulling on big girthy shafts.
And note that those shafts are most certainly not straight
Shadwife: **expression of immense concern**
With his stance he's ready to take on the heavy loads that come from the girthy shafts
There are a few things I love from this video but the two things I'm going to say is, I love how he gets all excited when just warming up with this bow, like he looks like a kid in a candy shop, the other thing I love is hearing that arrow loose from the bow and the sound of it hitting, like it's sounds soooooo good and satisfying to hear every time. I don't know why but I love it.
I appreciate the sourcing you did at the start of the video, because I've always wanted to find an accurately made classic longbow for myself.
I shoot instinctively and I like to mess around with different bows for fun.
Oh man, your enthusiasm and joy is so palpable and infectious, I can't express how much your excitement brings joy to us :)
I like big bows and I cannot lie.
You other archers can't deny
*"My Arrows don't want none unless you got Bows hun!"*
That when the king walks in with a freshly fletched missile,
you let looooooooooose.
My big bow brings all boys to the yard
And damn right, it's better than yours
Does that rhythm work in Welsh?
English king issuing bows and sheaves of arrows to English Longbowmen before battle.
Welshman 1: Going to use any of those?
Welshman 2: Not if I can help it, brought my own and been making my own since the campaign started.
Shad I don't know if anyone has told you, but you are looking so much better now. that surgery seemed to help you a lot. I am very happy that you did it.
Just the package is a huge quarterstaff.
@Biggah Monkeah Didgeridoo
Please keep this family friendly
That bow needs a pommel on one end and a spear on the other. End em rightly from all angles, Shad
@@kedronmallia939 No
I love that tens of thousands of people from around the world tune in regularly to watch an excitable Aussie film himself doing experimental archaeology in his back yard. What a great time to be alive!
I just realized that Shadiversity is not a real accredited university. I feel like we've been had, Shad. Cool bow video. 🏹
Wait what? I thought I was getting my degree in a couple of videos!
But.... where have I been sending these tuition fees to then? Prince Abdullah from Uni admin sounded so genuine.
Weve been had! Hoodwinked! Run amok!
@@EmilyKveldulv
Do you know what the landed knights would do when their serfs rose up?
They would hang ten.
Hmm... you sure? Didn't some historical swordsmanship society accredit them?
"Yew is less dense, I believe"
Aww, thanks, man. I think yew is less dense, too.
Yew're welcome.
@@rafaelbalsan4512 awww yew
Yew all are dense.
@@epauletshark3793 screw yew I guess
ewe is even less dense.
The people who rag on Shad about shooting style and if it's 'proper' or not are missing one big point: There probably is no single 'proper' way people shot bows throughout history. Just look at handgun shooting and the various stances and methods for that. It's changed drastically through the centuries of shooting, and even from decade to decade. There's always some new 'mega super tactical' way to shoot a handgun. I'm certain shooting bows was no different in their own time. One person shot a bow one way, another shot a bow another way, both thought their way was 'best' or at least best for them. Maybe some would have been better shots if they shot another way. Maybe they wouldn't have been. Either way, I guarantee you if you went back in time and asked 10 different archers what the 'proper' way of shooting was you'd get 11 different answers. It's no different today with handguns.
The important thing is you cover the basics: Don't get slide bite, hit your target, don't hit what you don't want to kill, and preferably don't get hit yourself if you're being shot at in return. Some methods may be more efficient at achieving this than others, and some might be better for different people. Three of those pretty much seem to apply to archery too. Hit your target, don't hit what you don't want to kill, don't get shot back. I guess the slide bite you could replace with don't slap yourself with the bowstring. If it works, it works. I doubt in the Medieval world that an archer would care much if he's using the 'proper' stance so long as he's hitting his target and not getting hit by his own bowstring.
Sidenote, I wonder if there were any treatises written back and forth by two master archers talking crap about each other's shooting methods and trying to convince everyone else they were the one doing it 'the right way.'
I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply personal preference, which side of the bow the archer shot from.
Simply put, as dynamic emotional beings we're all going to opt for whatever gets the job done in most cases
There’s a huge number of ways you can do the task, but there’s way lower variety of ways to do the task _efficiently_. Hence, organized training, where people spend half their life practicing and another half helping other people to practice, tends to slip down to just a handful of methods, with ever decreasing number of differences in it. So yes, for a non-specialist it will result in a single “proper” way of doing things - because basic things will be pretty much the same.
Not hitting your arm with a string involves some very specific adjustments, not always clear for self-learners. “Hit your target” is a huge set of various technical aspects including the posture, draw, anchoring, aiming, release - by far not the basic. Most of those things are not obvious for novices. Many of those things remain poorly cleared in self-learners.
“Proper” thing is a thing that works the best among available. The “killer feature“ of the “right side Mediterranean draw” is the _speed_. It isn’t more accurate, it isn’t less tiring, it gives you no additional draw length. It is only about a perceived speed of nocking the arrow. But we’ve seen multiple examples of people shooting from the left side faster, including shooting heavier bows - meaning the only benefit of the “Shad method” is questionable.
At the same time it involves funny things like moving your thumb up (inevitably putting more tension into your left hand and contacting the arrow more) and tilting the bow left (while even those “proper” styles that really shoot from the right side tilt right - because it’s a natural way to put the top limb out of the sight line). Those funny things make this style harder without obvious benefits. So the question arises - why would anyone with access to information on different draw styles choose it? Shad is obviously proud of his “impossible invention” (which is not impossible - it’s simply inefficient), but why other people would do it on a large scale?
About your side note - check “Arab archery”, it will give you a good impression of how much variety archery had in the region, and involves multiple styles from multiple masters. Those differences are discussed in a very detailed way - and are surprisingly small. Same as modern handgun shooting doesn’t involve shooting with your leg, or reloading with your teeth as a seriously discussed technique, there will be no visible difference for an amateur.
And, of course, a mandatory picture with accurately depicted fingers and a historically accurate bow with a professional archer posing :) qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c366ed32ab76597908191ab63aa10817
There are proper ways to shoot in a sense of range safety. If he lets go of that arrow during his tremendous sky draw, he might murder someone 1km downrange of him. Also there's the risk of him hurting himself.
First of all, that's a terrible comparison. If your skeleton isn't in proper alignment with a pistol, you don't handle the recoil as well, but suffer no injury for it. If you're not using proper alignment with a heavy bow, you get a torn rotator cuff or lateral epicondylitis. And Shad, for all of his insistence that he's still in proper shoulder alignment (not that we can actually tell given his insistence on wearing armor every time he shoots on camera), is not in proper alignment with his torso (which changes how much of the load his core muscles can take up, which is a minor problem) or his bow side elbow rotation (which actually is a serious problem, and he's risking injury rotating it backward like that). That's not to say that he'll definitely be injured, but it's much more risky than proper form and gives no actual benefit.
Alternate video title: Stringing a quarterstaff
Why isn't Asher there? I hear he's the best archer of the Brooks family.
Because this bow is yew, not ash(er).
Bad luck to be meddling with mixed woods.
Or he didnt want to embarrass shad.
Shad, it makes me so happy to see you able to go outside and do this sort of thing without being held back. The joy in your face just makes my day.
Bro: I bench 200 lbs, How much do you bench press?
Bro2: Not bad, I bench 240 lbs. What about the new guy?
Shad: War bow.
Technically... a seated row or lat pull down would make more sense. You need a powerful back to pull a bow, not a powerful chest.
Thats why bowflex came a thing
Thanks for sharing, Shad, you're inspiring to get into the world of archery, looks like a lot of fun.
"I should've brought a knife", says the man with a sword on his hip. 😅✌️
To high risk to damage that beauty, so no blades today :P
Great video Shad. Fantastic insight into late medieval archery. Great stuff.
HE NEVER STOPS, HE JUST KEEPS GROWING AND WITH EVERY BOW, HE IS A BIGGER THREAT THAN MOST 'ARCHERS'!
Seriously Shaddy, I though we agreed to stop on 100 lb...
He is a sayion
Congratulations on the arrival of your new bubs! Always interesting to watch someone who backs up what they say experimentally.
I honestly struggle to believe that some people still argue about "correct" side of the bow to place arrow on. Didn't japanese warriors place the arrow explicitly on the outside? Japanese art of shooting a bow is well documented, preserved and still practised to this day, even as family traditions. Of course, Japanese bows were diffrent (upper limb was neatly twice as long as the other one), but still, if it wasn't a viable method to shoot, it wouldn't remain so well preserved. I saw a documentary about it long time ago, so I don't remember any of the names or details, but I'm fairly sure this was a thing, and results were comparable to european longbow with inside placed arrow. So, there is a whole culture that has arrow place on the outside as the correct way, even going as far as having a defined philosophy of using a bow.
In japanese archery you use your thumb to draw the string.
In Asiatic (not just Japanese) archery you use thumb draw which uses the knuckle of the index finger to cradle the arrow on the right. Europeans use Mediterranean draw which is three fingers, it’s an apples to oranges comparison but it does dispel some of the more exaggerated claims.
i guess internet people don't realize how diverse culture was before globalization. We might all be ascended from the same people but over thousands of years we grew apart and have different languages even. Different ways of cooking every new plant that is grown and seemingly different styles of crafting and using bows.
It's the superiority paradox. Once you have so much time invested mastering a skill and gaining social status because of it the human ego doesn't want to accept a loss in status through the intervention of new information. It happens in religion, martial arts, sports, science, education, politics. It's the human condition. Deep down we're all just cry babies of a sort.
Love ya enthusiasm towards the ancient arts Shad, really entertaining to watch and full of knowledge...
Keep em coming mate!
What are you doing Shad? Hollywood says that not only you but your family should all be able to full draw and hold for a few minutes no problem!
P.S. She's a beautiful bow
Also, they should all be dirty. :D
Glad your surgery went well for you,; you have been more energetic lately. Gods willing, you are a light for all.
Shad, not only explaining history, but also fashion
I love these videos Shad gets excited and it makes me feel good to see someone enjoy life
I will expect a new Archery with Asher video
To PROPERLY test this new bow 😂😂
I agree, the best bow user of that family should be there to test it, he he he.
Definitly
Love your videos, Shad! Keep up the good work, and long bow good.
“Behold the world’s longest baguette“ *cronch*
Keep your French out of England
#chonch
This baguette is bigger
www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-baguette#:~:text=The%20longest%20baguette%20is%20132.62%20m%20%28435%20ft,listed%20on%20our%20website%20are%20current%20and%20up-to-date.
@@Dino10Boy " I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
Shad please please continue this. I love every aspect of it. The history lessons just really bring you into the mindset of the time and there’s an appreciation that come into play when watching you do anything. Thank you.
Hey shad why not try Asiatic or horse bows, I’d like to see your perspective on them.
I make vids on them
Im just smiling. Its great to see you doing well, and your happiness is contagious :)
Sounds like the sapwood/heartwood thing is a durability thing, but in that way where everyone just nods along when it comes up because it sounds like a good idea.
Maybe they were just being cheap with the amount of heartwood if it was a more valued building material or something.
It is a durabilty thing, but maybe not the only reason. Making a bow of different kinds of wood does affect how long and how it can be used. If you use the "wrong" type of wood you have to be careful the back of the bow doesnt crack and the belly doesnt get compression spots wich weaken and eventualy might break the bow. I make bows myself, both out of 1 piece (selfbows) and made up of different layers of (different) wood
I like the sheer, natural joy you show in this video. Glad to see, that you really enjoy showing us your world and, while we are there, teach us a thing or two.
Nobody:
The Silver Knight Archers in Anor Londo: 22:34
I just love how shad is just smiling and laughing all the way while drawing the new bow just like a kid having gotten a new toy😂😂😂😂👍
paintings now prove even Medieval archers give a thumbs up.
This warms my heart.
Keep at it Shad. May your arrows always fly with great power.
Color me impressed dude! As always, keep up the hard work homie!
your joy in this video makes me happy too
"The *girth* of this! Have a look at the *girth* !" Clipped.
thats what she said
Shad, thak you so much for renewing my love of medieval weaponry and armour.
Girth in all the right places, and in all the right ways.
Dude, seriously. You are looking good! The comparison to older you in that flash-back is an impressive change. Keep it up! You're an inspiration.
And the new bow is a beauty! Absolutely the right kind of Thicc on her. I propose Genevieve for her name.
I hope this will lead to another colab with Archery With Asher so that you can show off your new bow to an expert.
This just in: Local Australian history enthusiasts excited by long package.
Correction, long GIRTHY package.
Congrats on your new purchase, Shad!
As far as I've seen its the modern archery community that is still being argumentative about this archery styles validity. But its seems the war bow and general historical enthusiast communities (including actual historians) feel that its completely valid and want to engage with its potential merits.
Its almost like modern archers feel like this invalidates their interest, when in reality its a separate thing altogether. Just let both things exist side by side.
I think in archery its whatever works. It doesn't matter about style or technique as long as it works and you can hit a target.
That said though, the thumb support for the arrow is risky where the fetching can cut your thumb if it's going fast enough.
@@TheKamiBunny Well, yes and no. Technique still matters. Just more than one technique can work. But bad technique can still cause severe injury. Even in this vid Shad talks about shoulder rotation, which seems to be something you should never do, no matter what style of archery you're doing.
I shoot exclusively English and asiatic warbows, and my criticism of what he's doing isn't anything about invalidating interest, it's about improper elbow rotation on the string side. Partial rotation forward is preferred because of the way the load sits on the bones in the forearm and on the elbow and wrist joints; backwards rotation, as he does, risks injury. I also take issue with his claim that the fact that it hasn't injured him yet is at all meaningful, since there have been examples of people doing improper draw and feeling comfortable with it for nearly five years before the injuries manifested. I'm not saying he will absolutely injure himself, but he is taking a risk doing so, and encouraging others to do the same (as well as moving up in draw weight too quickly; the muscles build more quickly than the other soft tissues, so jumping up quickly can cause injury even on a bow you are capable of drawing without too much difficulty).
@@TheKamiBunny Not worried about fletchings biting the thumb (under normal conditions, they're going to be going over the knuckle instead after all). My concern is that elbow, and he puts so much emphasis on shoulder alignment (which still might be wrong in a way completely unrelated to his arrow inside vs outside debate, although it's impossible to see clearly when he has a gambeson on) but completely ignores proper elbow rotation.
@@alexanderflack566 And you have zero evidence that any of your claims have any validity in this style. As he has demonstrated over and over and over.
Your speaking from experience in a completely different style. Its like Football (Soccer) player, telling a Rugby player how to kick a ball. They are similar in many ways but fundamentally different. Experience in one does not translate to the other.
I would consider the expertise on a doctor or physiotherapist who specialises in sports related injury treatment and prevention. But they would have to be a neutral party who is there to look into its risks and merits.
If the apocalypse ever happens, I’m moving to Australia and following Shad around
Did Shad just say "slow-motion camera"? CALL THE SLO-MO GUYS!!! A colab with them and Shad would be awesome! :)
Seeing the archer's paradox in 4k would certainly be an experience
If the last one was "My Lovely"
Name this one "My Precious"
I can't believe I watched a video of Shad unwrapping, pulling on, and gripping his heavy, girthy shaft.
Seriously I'm having a giggle every time Shad makes a comment about his shaft xD
Shad pulling a 100lbs bow like its nothing. Turning into a real Chad. Chadiversity.
The excitement of a new toy cannot be beat.
Love to see your sheer joy and enthusiasm.
Unlike many still think, the people from the past were not ignoramus idiots. They had great engineering and craftsmanship, besides producing great art. Bows are just another example of that. Incidentally, for me, at least, they're both great craftsmanship and great art, unlike contemporary weapons, which are all business and no poetry.
Eh, English longbows were all business and no poetry. They typically didn't have grips or decorations, beyond the horn nocks (which served to prevent the string from biting into the fairly soft yew) and the maker's mark (which served as a marker to indicate where the arrow should pass, so you can put your hand in a consistent place relative to the nocking point on the string).
If you want art, look at composite bows:
www.manchuarchery.org/content/qing-dynasty-precious-bow
mandarinmansion.com/item/very-fine-ottoman-bow
i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/7f/e3/e37fe311f93c83eb2bda470d2389b574.jpg
And modern reproductions:
salukibow.com/index.php/horn-bows/
www.grozerarchery.com/htm/szkita/e3/j/6b.htm
www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/ex3/j/7.htm
www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/ex3/j/6.htm
www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/bio/j/8.htm
www.grozerarchery.com/htm/indo/trh2/j/6.htm
www.grozerarchery.com/htm/torok/biom/j/6.htm
People in the old times had less access to education and resources, but thats basicaly it. The people who were educated on the subjects would of been as smart (possibly smarter in the case of archery as archery is much more prevalent in that time) they werent dumb they werent idiots, they just had less easy access to the knowledge required.
Don't know if this was already stated. I make self bows and while I don't work with yew as its hard to acquire I can say the primary benefit to keeping the sapwood on is ease of production. Chasing a heartwood ring would make it take longer to produce and increase risk of damage to the wood as removing the bark is much easier than getting a single layer of heartwood. As for the wiggles in the grain it is best to go with the grain and not try to correct it if possible. So long as the string passes through the center and is not excessively off to one side it will be fine, otherwise you will get sideways torque which could damage the bow and make it much less smoother to draw. Little kinks in the wood that make the an easier path for the arrow are always welcome when they happen. I'm working on an elm longbow with a kick to one side and has good clearance if shot upside down; however, I have a pet peeve about the bow being used in the same way it grew so I see it as taboo for the top of the tree to be the bottom limb.
Shad, you seem to be more energetic these past few months, you've been outside a lot. Now you're attempting a 120lb bow. Are you feeling better post surgery? I pray you are sir.
The war arrows are so heavy they would do great as javelins on their own (either with a piece of leather tied at point of balance to increase grip, or as "swiss arrows"). Please do a video on it!
I love this man.
Its not gay if u say no homo
New bow tests it..... Giggles like a little kid in a candy store.
I'm looking at your shoulder positioning and I gotta say... If you lean backwards like that you're gonna hurt your haters.
You’re looking great Shad!
Another longbow video! Yea!
Looking good, people forget that medival archers were shooting from when they were kids, and many had deformations in the arms and shoulders because they'd train so much. So being able to learn how to use a heavy poundage bow takes a lot of skill
I cant wait to see the damage that bow can do.
Keep training!
I wanna see a destruction video!
wonderful video, I've been reading on the use and ability of yew longbows and this shows a good idea of what they are capable
How about 'Rosemary' for the bow?
“Yewwwwww”
-Soulja Boy
If we stick to medieval art that is so accurate, people back then had some serious Chernobyl action going with their anatomies and faces as well. 💪
Chernobyl action
Breh, that was a solid giggle
🙏🏻
Okay I have an admittedly odd question about this bow - There was some talk of using bows as melee weapons, and it's shown quite unrealistically in media a couple times, but I'm thinging, since this one is so damn girthy, would it actually be an okay weapon to just smack someone in the face with? I mean ordinary bows I know don't really work very well, but this one is a damn humongous piece of wood.
I doubt it would be a standard use of the weapon - archers are most effective when kept out of melee combat, so their training would probably be focused on keeping out of melee if at all possible. That said, there are *plenty* of examples in history of equipment issued to soldiers being used in creative ways when things go poorly.
For a later example, WWI proved that the bayonets issued to soldiers for melee combat were not effective when used in smaller groups - soldiers with sharpened shovels or knives (often repurposed dinner knives, at first) just had to avoid one attempt to skewer them before they were past and closed to a range where their short weapon could be used but the bayonet was several feet behind them and completely useless. Since then, soldiers have been issued combat knives over swords or bayonets, and trenching tools (shovels) generally come pre-sharpened - one of the many lessons learned during that war.
So...I'm 100% certain that there are cases where longbowmen used their bows as clubs rather than dropping them and running or drawing a sword, either because they didn't want to drop the bow so they could continue to fight after they managed to withdraw to a suitable position or because they just didn't have time to draw their sword. Whether there's good historical documentation of this, or if it was ever taught as a proper part of using the bow in battle, I don't know. But there's been a lot of wars where longbows were used, and archers are often targets of enemy attacks specifically because they're a major threat if left unopposed, so the chances that nobody ever did that are virtually nil. And from the size of it, I can definitely see it being at least somewhat effective - probably a bit unwieldy as an improvised club, but certainly capable of dealing significant damage.
(All that said, I would not be surprised if archers using the smaller kinds of bow tried to do so as well, though I suspect they would have met with less success.
You _could,_ it's just not recommended since you can damage the bow (which is more expensive than a quarterstaff and more fragile) and were probably carrying a sword and buckler or something as a sidearm anyway.
looking good my man, awesome beard. Great video as always 👍
Look at that MAJESTIC beard!
I saw 6 different arrows shot by one person, which is 6x as many per capita in Mulan.
That bow is big enough for us bigfoots
i like the green trees in the background. it's autumn here on the northern hemisphere so all the leaves are blood red.
Gotta love how Shad is like a kid with a new toy when trying that first draw😁 (oh wait, that’s because he is!😆)
I love how the thumbnail says THICC BOI with two Cs! Great work, and entertaining and educational as ever!