A Minor To E7 And The Diminished Substitution Trick For Guitar
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2020
- Here's a little clip on how to use a diminished chord as a 5 dom7 substitution. Cuban style!
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Pay this man some money. Link for tip jar in pulldown. You can use PayPal. Another killer video mang, thanks. If anyone else is like me, and has learned ALOT from Guthrie, pay the man.
Man I need a dictionary of the music language, but i pick up what i can and maybe revisit this a year down the road and have a better understanding. I will not be deterred by my current state of ignorance. love you Mr. Trapp and thank you for bringing you guitar magic to my living room.
Who the hell dislikes a video like that? Double thumbs up Guthrie! 👍👍
I m a pro guitarist from New Orleans and trying to elevate my country playing.
Out of all your guitars I love the sound of that Tele most.
I know you have a princeton. Love them, I have a 64 original. Thanks for sharing!
that guitar will always sound so good, glad shes back
As has been said in the comments, this is rooted in the A harmonic minor scale. The only difference between A harmonic minor and A minor (aka A natural minor as A minor is the relative minor to C major and shares the exact same notes) is that the 7 is sharped in the harmonic minor scale.
I'll try to write out the A harmonic minor scale for us CAGED folks in the E Form of A minor (AKA the G Form of C major, confusing, I know) using fret numbers and string names:
E: 4,5,7,8
B: 5,6
G: 4,5,7
D: 6,7
A: 5,7,8
E: 5,7,8
Here's the G Form of C major starting on the 5th fret so you can see that the only difference is that G gets replaced by G# in the harmonic minor scale:
E: 5,7,8
B: 5,6,8
G: 4,5,7
D: 5,7
A: 5,7,8
E: 5,7,8
Hope this helps!
this i what i needed thanks EBEEP
straight up beautiful
Thank you! I've seen others do this topic, but this is the one video that made sense of it for me.
Keep it up! Absolutely love these videos!!!
Love the Latin feel. Thanks for these tips, Plan to work on em.
your videos are such an inspiration ! every time there's so much interesting things you point out so well. thx from Belgium
Dude. Amazing. Love it and thank you. Lots to think about on a Friday.
Awesome Info. Thanks Guthrie!
Fantastic.. thank you Guthrie
Great playing as always thanks for the video Guthrie
Wonderful!! Thanks Guthrie!
Thanks so much for uploading this lesson Guthrie. I had a rare lightbulb moment! Have just resubscribed to ArtistWorks.
Love your style, love your playing. Many thanks.
Mate. This is a sound I have loved for so long and kind of thought it would always remain a mystery to me. Thank you so much for sharing!
You are the Man!! I love what you do
Thanks for the lesson
awesome playing
Hi Guthrie, hope you have a great weekend. Very inspired by the videos you make. Please keep em coming. Thanks a lot for knowledge sharing
Great video Guthrie.
Yeah, there's a whole fantastic ilk of sounds from Reggae/Cuban flavored music...
Great lesson... thanx mate and have a happy
Thx Guthrie!!!😊👍🎸
Excellent lesson , I really love the cuban music influence in your playing !!!!
Diminished chords are the upper part of Dominant chords.
Each diminished chord can be named from any note in the chord.
Widen any ONE of those intervals in the chord to a major 3rd, and now you have 4 possible dominant chords.
That one little diminished chord can be seen as at least 8 different chords, and they can resolve in many different directions.
(Take just one Dim. chord shape and see what happens when you lower just one note at a time. You will get 4 Dominant chords. Easy?)
tigerJnr :
I am so pleased that you and a few others enjoyed this.
Try this:
1: Think of the guitar as being tuned to an Em7 chord (EGBD) and at the same time an E minor pentatonic scale (EGABD).
2: Learn/explore/practice just about everything in that key of Em, and all this will be as easy as moving an E bar chord to different keys.
3: There are 5 CAGED shapes/pentatonic boxes. Think of EAD as having similar shapes (1-5-1-3), and GCF also related (1-3-5-1).
4: Start with the E-Em box, down at the 0-2 fret area and using open strings (repeat at 12th fret without open strings).
5: Begin to systematically naming every note in the 0-4 area that can be easily reached. Give them all letter names (C, C#/Db, D, D#/Eb).
Now start giving interval names for each note in relation to the root/1. Start with the 3 roots in that E shape, now find the 4ths and 5ths, then the two 3rds and two 7ths, then the two 2nds/9ths, then the two 6ths, then the mighty b5, and you’re done.
6: So now that you can give every note 2 names, letter and interval, start playing licks you like and say things like “I like bending from b7 to 1” or “I can pull off from 5 to b5 to 4” or “I’ll play that chord’s tritone, the 3 and b7”.
7: Do that exact same thing for D-shape of E (frets 2 to 5), C-shape of E (frets 4-7), A-shape of E (frets 7-10) and finally G-shape of E (frets 9-12).
The 5-shape pattern (always in the same order, A always next after C, C next after the G in CAGED, G after A, etc)
repeats itself after the 12th fret.
8: The end goal is to be able to play in the keys of E-Em, all over the neck,
and always be able to IMMEDIATELY give any note a letter name and an interval name.
9: Start with minor pentatonic, add in b5 for the Blues scale, add in 2-6 for Mixolydian, add in 3 (always resolve b3 UP to 3 over a major or dominant chord), and now the “stragglers” like b2-#5/b6, major 7 (to be used as chromatic passing tones).
10: Every single note/interval can be played over any chord; it’s just that some can be sustained longer than others. In the end, “it’s all chromatic” meaning you can play anything over anything. Just start moving what you learned in E to the other keys.
Make sense?
Great stuff. Literally just playing that transition and those inversions. Laughing out loud for real wasn’t even thinking of the diminished.
Many thanks Guthrie, this works great with a loop pedal for the chords, spent a couple of hours on this today - big thanks, mojoken ( ArtistWorks)
Sounds great my friend!
Thanks again for the tips...
Thanks Guthrie. Love how you break things down ❤️ 🎸
Great video as usual. Cheers!
Thanks very helpful Your awesome
Sweet runs🎶👍👏
Sooooo GOOD!!! more.......more Cuban stuff, from Nashville!! Love It
u r an incredible musician
Wow ...
Thanks, man!
That sounds amazing, tough one. That should keep me going for a while. Cheers man 🤙
Thank you for folding in Edim as sub for E7! Not sure why that works but super cool!
wow... tossing the diminished chord for the 7th on the 5.. thats gonna keep me busy for a while... thanks.. killer stuff
Thanks Guthrie! Cool stuff. I’m sure you’re already aware but just in case, check out the Marc Ribot “Y Los Cubanos Postizos” album. Fantastic playing all around on that album.
good style ... sounds great
Very cool!
finally! i get why a minor ii v sound different than a maj ii V!
thnx guthrie!!!!
Just bought both the download albums from Guthrie's site. Wanted the CDs but the first one was sold out so I switched to downloads...perfect! Great music.
Harmonic and melodic minor. Yes, a raised 7th (G#) gives you the harmonic minor: voice-leading / resolving to the A. Melodic minor is unique in that it is different ascending vs. descending. Melodic minor has a raised 6th and 7th (F# and G#) ascending and is diatonic (according to the key... so G and F) when descending. Great stuff. Cheers! See www.opentextbooks.org.hk/ditatopic/2307 for more on harmonic vs. melodic minor.
Nobody switches up the ascending and descending melodic minor anymore - it's a like a major in every way save for the b3. The raised 6 and 7 characterize the harmonic minor.
Always a pleasure bro
Stellar
I love that Guthrie emphasizes the ear over scales. Although he doesn’t diminish scales ( see what I did there. Lol.). Guajira by Santana is a great progression for this kind of melodic feel. There is a diminished and also an Bm flat fifth I think.
I was just going to write that the Santana song most relevant to this lesson is not Oye Como Va, but Guajira! The whole song Am to E7 with the diminished substitution all over the place.
Trapp is back! 🤘
Love that gypsy flavor
Another Door Opened ! Cheers GT
Good stuff.
Looks like the East Nashville barber shops are open again!
Jeepers, it’s too early in the UK to process this!. Mind blown. Brilliant as usual.
My thoughts exactly... I had to stop watching, for fear of my brain exploding... I'll come back to it after I take some brain supplements...see if that helps..
Great lesson Guthrie. Gypsy players also play in this style. They often use A harmonic minor and lots of m6 arpeggios. You should check out Angelo Debarre playing La Gitane. It's amazing. Thanks for the lesson. You've made my COVID19 imprisonment somewhat bearable.
Awesome lesson as always Guthrie. I've been a huge fan of Cuban and Latin music all my life. As a child I would almost always pick out Santana from my moms wonderful album collection that consisted of everything from R&B and blues, bluegrass and rock to more eclectic music from all over the world.
Note: You may want to experiment with your mic placement for these videos. The last one was too loud in general and distorting the louder notes of your guitar. I hear you fixed that, but now it's not picking your voice up very well. I'm fairly certain this is just a mic placement issue though. From the presence of the sounds, it's likely the mic is directed at your speakers as opposed to you.
I understand why though, because directing the mic away from the speaker and towards your voice more would cause us to hear the string sound of the guitar before it hits the amp, resulting in a less appealing guitar sound, and as a guitarist/engineer myself, I completely understand. The fix then would be to use separate mics. It's more wok of course, and I am nit picking too. I personally don't mind this myself, but it would help with increasing your channels popularity, and I am interested in seeing your channel grow.
Edit: If you want to keep just using your iPhone, I think just try raising it up higher. I was typing this while listening and heard you say that just now. I'm pretty sure that if you simply used a taller box, it would raise the iPhone to a height that would pick up your voice better and be less drowned out by the speaker witch is closer to the same height as a normal sized box would be.
On a side note, I was just listening to Lightning Hopkins and wondered if you might talk about his style a bit sometime. If it strikes your fancy of course. I'm sure you have a lot more insight into his style than I do and many of us would learn a lot from that imo.
Sorry for the wall of text, lols. Thanks again for all you do GT, you're a real credit to the guitar community. ^-^
That's the G man passing tone secret sauce. I hear it all throughout your licks. One of my favorite flavors you cook with. Great vid. I really love some of that Latin sauce. I think I enjoy it due to Al Di Meola and Santana as a kid.
Not going to lie, this is a bit over my head but I thoroughly enjoyed it none the less :-p Thanks Guthrie for all that you do!
I agree with ya but man what great stuff to listen to huh
It's probably in part due to him being an awful teacher. LMAO. Not trying to be a dick....dude is a great player but he's god awful at breaking stuff down. This is coming from someone who gets what he's saying. I think unless you have a pretty good handle on theory, most of this is going to be lost on you because he jumps around so much from one thing to another.
you can get it
hy guthrie, i alwaz lov ur videos; can u make a lesson on ur approach on how to make instrumental arrangement of any song on guitar?
I don't even know what you said I just ended up noodling along! 😂 Cheers Guthrie!!
Awww, its all good. If you are in A minor, then play A minor chord and then the E7 chord. those two chords, back and forth. Playing he A harmonic minor scale over those two chords will give you a cuban sound. What I think Guthrie's focus is to pay close attention to the notes of any given chord you are playing, and LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN to what each chord sounds like. If you know where all of your chords are, then your solo will sound more natural. Scales are great and all, but chords and ears are the best. Cheers, guitar brother.
I totally agree with what Max just typed. You can also get a better grasp of using the diminished by thinking of it as a stepping stone between chords. Any note in the diminished chord can be resolved up one fret to either a Major or minor chord (same goes for scales of course). Imo this is the magic of the diminished.
Great video Guthrie! But what I really want to is know is where can I get that cool T Shirt?
Hermano! Great lesson on this concept. For great examples of this, listen to Buena Vista Social club and Ry Cooder’s Mambo Sinuendo. Thanks for this lesson!
Hi, great lesson, what are the tags on your amps?
Lubie twoje filmiki. W tobie siedzi ten Blues, też bym tak chciał. Pozdrawiam z Polski.
I watch and admire Guthrie's playing skills. If I ever get to Nashville, would like to meet him. He plays his guitar's "very-well", must have wore-out a lot of strings!
Santana breath to it!
Marc Ribot. 😊
I bought a custom made tele style that weighs 10 lbs. It’s South Carolina ash.
I’ve heard that the lighter bodies sound better. How much does your green tele weigh and wood type?
Hey Guthrie, Listen to Joe Farrells Penny Arcade album. There is a great tune called Cloud Cream that explores minor to major and diminished. It rocks.
Hey Mr Guthrie what guitat strings you using on that there Tele?
Guthrie, are you filming with an iPhone? If so, is it an 11? Using a separate mic for the guitar? The guitar sounds great. What amp are you playing through?
Remember he's playing close to the neck , that gives the rich sound your hearing.
And he plays with the edge of the pick.
Hey Brother, great video as usual. Diminished "stuff" ala Robbin Ford will help players improve their soloing considerably.
Guys do yourselves a favor and get his guitar course on Artistworks it's awesome
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Nice lesson man. We have great Cuban music where I live. Just listen to Oye Como Va by Santana and listen to the percussion section. :)
Joe Hernandez Tito Puente!
Like the man says that was a Tito Puente composition. A great Timbale player and orchestra leader. Was lucky enough to have seen him live once with full orchestra in small venue. Santana is a great doorway to Cuban and Afro Cuban music. Some Latin cats will get offended if you compare them or even mention Santana. I had a few moments where I got funny looks as I naively mentioned that band. But to me it’s all good. Music is like food there is no accounting for taste. That’s why Guthrie is such a great musician first and a great guitarist second. Either way he is humbling.
Is it normal for musicians in practice to speak of the E dom7 chord as the V, when we are playing in A minor?
This is referencing like we are in C major, not the relative minor we are actually playing in.
This guy is the second best guitarist alive called Guthrie...
You’re such a freakin’ badass......
If you're playing F# over Am then you're playing Dorian minor- which would make the major key Gmajor- but if Am is the one- then you're playing Dorian. If on the other hand you're playing the F note- then it would be Cmajor- but really Aminor (Aeolian mode or Natural Minor mode they are also called) because the flat minor six in the scale is Aeolian- the major six note is characteristically Dorian. That's the only difference between Natural Minor and Dorian.
If dogs run free. By Bob Dylan... off of New Morning..
Forgive me for commenting off-topic, but, if you don't mind my asking, are you related to any members of the Trapp family from Paris, Texas? If you choose not to answer, I understand.
Not sure man!!
You ever listen to Boogaloo Joe Jones.......or Melvin Sparks.......👍👌👏🇺🇸🦫😎🎸⛄🎄
Have you seen that excellent Guitar Moves interview Blake Mills did for noisey? Dude is another legend, and he goes over cuban style stuff in part of it, it's just unreal. I've been looking for how to get that sound since I saw it, so thank you very much for this!
ua-cam.com/video/wlskErEWuRI/v-deo.html
Audio volume is all over the place .
just casually breaking out every single style of music...I thought you were a country guy lol
Im completely lost. Lol. Just this just that. Lol
I think this guy has forgotten more about playing guitar than I'll ever know....
Can't stand those dumb arrows. They could have been playing guitar! Lol
That expression is so funny to me, that inanimate objects are dumb. Not a criticism ofc, I use it a lot too. Stupid arrows, lols.
@@aylbdrmadison1051 Lol! True
Great playing but your explanations of the theory leave a lot to be desired