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Do turn signals have to be red?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2017
- Cooley investigates.
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Aside from red or yellow. USA needs ban intergrated stop/turn signal light. Just too damn confusing to tell apart when brakes are pressed intermittently. I really do think it's a hazard.
j O agreed. Also US should require side signal repeater like the rest of the world. Blows my mind how cars are allowed to change highway lanes with no visible indicator on the side of the car.
Thats why i hate red only turning signals ita confusing
The intergrated stop/turn signal combination is proven to be one of the safest applications for stopping and turning possible due to its simplicity. The use of a separate bulb for turn signals are marginally more dangerous as the bright red light is proven to overpower the less bright amber signal. Which is why at night, when someone hits the brakes, you see the red brake lights much brighter than you see the yellow turn signal.
i completely agree with this. can’t believe it’s still allowed.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 You are just plain wrong. A red break light wont grab a drivers attention who's in an adjacent lane. Even more so if it is the break light itself because it's not unusual for people to tap their breaks in traffic and you just ignore it. A different color sticks out and is proven to be much safer. Just because the break light might be a little brighter doesn't mean you won't see the amber light as well (see at 1:00).
The effectiveness of Amber in the 2009 study was shown to be more statistically significant than the CHMSL study, yet they still aren’t mandatory. It’s so disappointing! If amber is required in the front, it should also be required for the rear.
Also stop using amber lamps on the front as running (parking) lamps. Amber should only be for turn signals
I also demand to know why German cars sold in North America now all have red rear indicator lights when they didn't used to? They're not red in their homeland.
Nicholas Smith there is a subtle technicality that causes this. RoW (rest of world) cars don't need to meet a turn signal "surface area" spec that the USDOT has. So in Europe, VW/Audi can leave a very thin amber bar for its rear blinkers, which are plenty bright when lit by high-output LEDs. But that doesn't meet the US spec, so rather than redesign the entire cluster, VWAG just programmed the entire brake light to blink on US cars. And they can skimp on a few expensive amber lenses and LEDs as a bonus.
That's a crock of crap. Have you seen the turn signal in the Tesla Model X and Toyota Avalon? A thin strip less than half an inch. Simply put, the Germans found an effective way to cut costs. Since the Americans can get away with it, why not them?
Not really because of 'very thin amber bar', but it's the "surface area" of where the indicator starts. The thing about Audi and other cars makers is that it does not pass DOT because of sequential turn signal. Each segment of the turn signal of minimum 2200 sq. mm should light up immediately at the start of the indicator to pass. So, actually they can get a pass on the turn signal if they don't do the sequential thing or they can do the sequential thing but in reverse like the new Toyota Avalon.
The first segment to light up has to be of a certain area, irrespective of whether it's sequential or not. And then there is another important thing: in the US, lights on a moving part of the vehicle (i.e. trunk lid) don't count toward that minimum surface area. That's why the European thin strip doesn't pass the US reqs, since you're only looking at the outer half. Take for example the X5. It has to have combined stop and turn signal because only together do those two outer small segments meet the area requirement. The alternative would be a rear light assembly of a far less sleek and esthetic design. Oh, and btw, it looks like the outer part of the Avalon turn signal is steady on and off, with only the inner trunk lid part doing the reverse sweep.
@@H0704 USDOT MUST trash the minimal surface area requirement ASAP. It creates an even worse safety hazard.
I had gotten rear ended so many times because I always had red turn signals. Once I switch over to a new car, I made sure the car had Amber turn signals. My rear view mirror isn't as eye popping anymore and my neck doesn't hurt anymore. During the day, red turn signals are hard to see, especially when the sun is beating down on them. I feel Amber is the way to go worldwide, but like you said Cooley, manufacturing companies are under an umbrella and they have their hands tied. Great video!
I think that all rear turn signals should be orange because some cars that have red turn signals are extremely hard to tell that they have their turn signal on.
eduardoig17 I used to hate red signals with a passion. Dim and poorly separated from the brake lights. LEDs have made them much better so I am somewhat OK with red as long as they are LED.
This problem is the worst when the carmakers insist on the shitty brakelight/turn signal 2-for-1 combo. It's such an old, flawed design that should've been gone as soon as it began
@@exoticcar5482 Even the new Jeeps and Ram vehicles have the switchback brake and turn signal on the same area. Red LED lights for brake lights, but changes to amber, while using the turn signal. While it looks cool, I prefer them to be separated.
Integrated brake light/turn signal lights are proven to be the safest design in the world due to its simplicity. You hit the brakes and both illuminate red in addition to the high mounted 3rd brake light. You hit the brakes whilst the turn signal is operating and only the corresponding turn signal flashes red while the other brake lights illuminate. Science has proven that this setup is safest due to its simplicity and not confusing other drivers with an amber bulb located in a separate area away from the brake lights.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 So it's safer to have brake lights that stop functioning everytime someone turns on the turn signal?
I'm extremely disappointed with Cooley's involvement (lack thereof) in CNET right now. Cooley was the BEST presenter on the web but now he's been relegated to short 3 minute crap like this. I haven't liked one Cooley's videos ALL year. CNET, please give us all an explanation at the very least. Is he slowing down? Retiring? Taking a more administrative role? What happened to CNET ON CARS? We need answers
I vote for "AMBER" turning signal. It distinguishes the brake lights from the turning signal. If I am the market and I have to choose between two equally good choice of cars... I will pick the one with amber turning signal.
Amber isn't capitalized as it is not an acronym. Amber is an actual scientific color name that describes a color between orange and yellow
Same here. No matter how much I like the car, it has to have an amber turn signal.
@@exoticcar5482Most people in my country call both the turn signals and the traffic signal between the red and green a yellow light. It drives me insane as it's not yellow at all
TURN SIGNAL COLOR MUST BE AMBER! Only an idiot would allow a brake light to be a taillight, turn signal and brake light. Also, Cooley make more content! More reviews !!
I'm American and I 1000% agree. I'll never buy another vehicle without Amber rear signals. I even converted my 1988 Ford Ranger to have Amber bulbs in the reverse lamp locations wired as turn signals.
Red indicators are a menace to road safety. We need to mandate amber indicators immediately to save lives!!!
I almost slammed into the rear of a Chevy Astro because the guy had his hazards on (rendering the brake lamps useless) and his center brake lamp wasn't working properly. Had he had amber turn signals, his brake lamps would have been working. It pisses me off when companies use red. Even more so when they use the brake lamps as the turn signals. The laws that govern vehicle safety in the US are a joke.
Integrated brake light/turn signal lights are proven to be the safest design in the world due to its simplicity. You hit the brakes and both illuminate red in addition to the high mounted 3rd brake light. You hit the brakes whilst the turn signal is operating and only the corresponding turn signal flashes red while the other brake lights illuminate. Science has proven that this setup is safest due to its simplicity and not confusing other drivers with an amber bulb located in a separate area away from the brake lights.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Source? I bet you'd be the kind of guy to make a front turn signal white if there were no law already requiring that to be amber
Simple fix. Just change your blinker fluid to the colour you want.
Man the only place I found that carries it said it was on backorder. Not surprising since it's the only shop that has it.
I prefer the amber color. If I only see 1 side, when the other car is in different lane, I dont know if that car is signaling or the driver just constantly braking.
And unlike what many idiots will say, you CANNOT always see the third brake light in certain cases and at other times, you don't even HAVE a third brake lamp in the first place, especially with big trucks! Now THAT'S a safety hazard...
from what you described you wouldnt be able to see that with an amber bulb either. fail
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Wrong. You would absolutely see it because there's one on either side
Always wondered about this myself, frustrating when your in the left lane passing people and your not sure if they are signaling to get in or just getting on/off break really quick.
BigHeadClan Automakers may say that the third brake light is supposed to help solve this, but there are quite a few situations where the third brake light is obscured from your view and you'll only see one side of the car. That is definitely a situation where separate amber turn signals help improve safety. And don't even get me started about the hazard lights...
I think it's mostly red in America but else where in the world it's mostly orange, i prefer orange.
Amber is a better color admittedly since its different from braking.
Please bring back the 20-ish minute CNET on Cars episodes! We need more Cooley than these two minute segments!
I'm all for amber turn signals. They are just easier to spot when driving. I've noticed that the Asian car manufacturers mostly use amber turn signals and the European/American manufacturers have red turn signals. I currently drive a 2017 VW Jetta which has a red turn signal.
Mercedes C-Class in the US carries an amber bulb in the housing yet the brake lamp is the turn signal. The biggest pet peeve of mine are manufacturers that have the housing for an amber turn signal but instead it serves as a blank and the brake lamp is the turn signal. Ford is extremely guilty of this and GM has been doing this with their Malibu, Cruze, and Equinox. It just looks like blatant cost cutting. Atleast Jeep adds an extra reverse lamp rather than leaving the housing blank like they do on the Grand Cherokee.
@@juanzingarello4005 It also annoys me when Mercedes tail lights have a clear lens which they do use separately for the turn signal yet despite no cost savings of putting amber LEDs behind it they STILL insist on using red LEDs!
ElevatorMan5482 ElevExperiencing Productions Ford and currently Chevrolet are extremely guilty of doing this (ex. The Equinox). Atleast do what Jeep does. They substitute the amber turn signals with an additional reverse lamp. Have you ever seen a Grand Cherokee backing up? They get really bright with 4 reverse lamps. But when you leave blanks like Ford and Chevy did it just screams blatant cost cutting.
@@juanzingarello4005 I'm actually not exactly referring to what Ford and Chevy did. What I'm saying is that some Mercedes makes have separate clear lenses dedicated for use as the turn signals which they did decide to use in the US unlike Ford and Chevy but even behind those clear lens, for whatever reason, they still put red LEDs instead of amber despite NO cost savings whatsoever to just put amber LEDs behind the clear segment instead
Orange/Amber is effective and easier to see on road. Plus I feel that im getting more for my money for multiple signals.
We need Roadshow back with you hosting Cooley, what happened?!
Where is Cnet on Cars?
Leinad Esuark The Roadshow is the new Cnet on Cars.
As of like 2015 haha
zunedog31 I figured this out in 2017
You know why they use red instead of amber? Two less bulbs and too less pair of wires. It's a cost thing. It annoys me even more when companies like Mercedes put the amber bulb in but use the brake lamp as the turn signal instead.
Also, I don't understand the final reason that Brian stated as to why automakers go with red. Because they don't want to risk it by doing something different? Some cars go from red to amber and vice versa during facelifts. All three American brands have used amber and red. There has never been a scenario where an automaker was sued because he had amber turn signals. Yet tests from the IIHS proved that the risk is greater with red. Wouldn't this go the other way around? Johnny B. Bucks got killed in an American C-Class for using a red turn signal that couldn't be recognized by Jack D. Ass who slammed into him. EVERYONE else is mandating amber. Why did you, Mercedes Benz decide to go red for this one country where Johnny was killed? Makes no sense. It's all about costs. That being said, I think we live in an age where everyone is trying to penny pinch here and there and the reason we see more red nowadays is for this reason.
The cost effective thing does not go up anymore nowadays because there are a lot of new cars on the road with led indicators, also cars are becoming so expensive that cost effectiveness of using red turn signals is peanuts. It proves that there are more accidents in America because of the confusion of red turn signals that insurance companies are much better off with amber turn signals... Much cheaper because of less accidents. Europe is just proof of that and America just won't admit it.
There is just one big major f-ing reason..
It's all about esthetics! Esthetics are more important to America than safety...
Red is the most common turn signal color? I can't even recall the last red turn signal I seen, I almost always see amber signals and I'm in California
I hate red colored turning signal lights. They're hard to see in certain angles with sunlight.
I feel the exact way regarding amber turn signals. The red brake light is almost always too bright and overpowers the amber turn signal. What good is the turn signal when the red brake light is substantially brighter and easier to see?
This has always bothered me. Some cars have red turn signals so poorly designed they're practically imperceptible. A yellow turn signal would fix that so easily. On newer cars I guess they're not as bad because if they're LED it's typically the whole lens that blinks. Still, they should all be yellow.
I am not sure what red turn signals you are referring to. Integrated brake light/turn signal lights are proven to be the safest design in the world due to its simplicity. You hit the brakes and both illuminate red in addition to the high mounted 3rd brake light. You hit the brakes whilst the turn signal is operating and only the corresponding turn signal flashes red while the other brake lights illuminate. Science has proven that this setup is safest due to its simplicity and not confusing other drivers with an amber bulb located in a separate area away from the brake lights.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 You copied and pasted
Science has proved that a separate colour and separate lamp to distinguish between stopping and turning helps to distinguish between stopping and turning, making it safer@@haroldbeauchamp3770
I hate red turn signal. Confusing when red signal and brake light is mixed!
Why are you not doing car reviews? We don't want other people doing the review bring Cooley back
It is one of the stupidest laws anywhere. The number of close calls I've had because the red signal is not transparent.
Should be amber on all cars. Looks better too, at least when its led.
Red for a turn signal is simply tooooo stupid...specially when the person is braking at the same time he turns on the signal, it takes more concentration to know he has turned on his signals
It's even more of a headache when the red lights share the function of both turn signals and brake lights
ElevatorMan5482 ElevExperiencing Productions >>> and the tail lights.
Well technically the same thing
I hate the US lighting laws. Some of the dumbest thinking ever! I also hate red turn signals, especially when the same light is used as brake lights! I'm looking at you American and German cars. Europe requires amber turn signals...so why not just bring those to the US as well?
Also, US still does not require side repeaters for turn signals. Such an important safety feature.
Integrated brake light/turn signal lights are proven to be the safest design in the world due to its simplicity. You hit the brakes and both illuminate red in addition to the high mounted 3rd brake light. You hit the brakes whilst the turn signal is operating and only the corresponding turn signal flashes red while the other brake lights illuminate. Science has proven that this setup is safest due to its simplicity and not confusing other drivers with an amber bulb located in a separate area away from the brake lights.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Nope science has proven this wrong as well
In my old car, runing rear lights (idk correct term) grounded through turn signals, as ground wire for whole cluster was bad. So when I put blinkers on, it was red lights which were flashing. So when I see flashing rear red light, first thingthat comes to my mind is that ground is bad, not that car is American.
I'd like to think that part of the reason why most turn signals in the rear are red is to decrease the possibility of someone putting in a clear bulb where an amber one would go or vice versa. One thing that most if not all people here have failed to mention is how many auto makers are integrating turn signals into the bumpers of vehicles. Some of them quite low which will only ensure they will get covered in snow and ice should they be operated in areas where snowfall is expected.
I have always liked it better with the amber turn signals.
However, if a car company is going yo use red, keep it independent from the brake and tail lights.
Independent brake/signal lights are actually more confusing to drivers according to science. Integrated brake light/turn signal lights are proven to be the safest design in the world due to its simplicity. You hit the brakes and both illuminate red in addition to the high mounted 3rd brake light. You hit the brakes whilst the turn signal is operating and only the corresponding turn signal flashes red while the other brake lights illuminate. Science has proven that this setup is safest due to its simplicity and not confusing other drivers (elderly and new drivers) with an amber bulb located in a separate area away from the brake lights.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 funny because Roadshow and other sources have said different.
@@Andrew-zv4fm The government report that Roadshow was referring to was from 2009. Since then, the majority of automakers have switched to LED brake lights. These bulbs are substantially brighter than the incandescent bulbs used in the 2009 study. Newer research circa 2016 proves that the safest setup is the integrated LED brake/turn signal setup due to its simplicity. cheers mate
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 that is not what zo am talking about. When I mean integrated I mean rear lights that have three jobs of brake, tail and turn signals.
I love this even when the questions are simple!
Here in the UK, red indicators (turn signals) are illegal. They have to be orange. I believe that is an EU wide requirement.
sorry bro
IMO, it makes the most sense to simply use clear lenses for greatest light transmission and LED bulbs of whatever color you want.
That combines the best look with the most efficiency and greatest level of customization and ease of change.
Exactly. All these carmakers worried about the image of their vehicles should stop using red lenses and just have clear lenses with red LEDs for braking and amber LEDs for turning. Clear lenses look super sleek
American cars are the worst offenders or the red signals. They are starting to get away from it. But still 90% of them use red, commonly it’s the brake light that is also the signal. I prefer amber. I hardly ever see a foreign car with red signals, except for mainly BMW.
Mustangs with their sequential signals are pretty interesting. I think there's a mod to make the brakes also show sequentially, not sure how wise that is.
That’s so stupid
however i prefer yellow..i think most asian cars use yellow as compare to red in american..
also with newer cars having leds as turn signals i dont think it matters..i just bought a 2017 passat and it has led turn signals and they are soooo bright. GO LEDS!!!..lol
Love the Passat in LEDS. I have a 16 Jetta sport, no LEDS : (
Yes all cars need LEDs.
lexusfan100 but not brighter the better. I was following an Audi A6 the other day the the tail light was too bright. Hard for me to observe.
This shouldn't be a preference though. It's about safety
Brian Coolio.. your segments are the best.
Seen American cars in Europe which operate with red indicators at the back but here in UK where i’m from, it’s not legal, has to be amber ! Along with side repeaters ..
USA!!! Please sign UNECE WP.29 1958 regulations!!! Red rear signals are darn annoying! Your cars are not marketable most countries!!! That outdated regulations is a burdensome. As long the rear amber signal is bright enough, it done the job perfectly.
Never. I hate amber turn signals. I will personally change my turn signal bulbs back to red if this becomes law.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Get your ass off the road then
I used to get all excited when I would see the cnet on cars notification show up on my phone. I am glad cooley is still in some videos; however, I wish he was still doing the car reviews like before.
please ban red , yellow should be good
I always and still prefer orange or yellow turn signal not a fan of red signal they don’t stand out as much as the orange ones
If they really needed the rear turn signals to be red, they should at the very least increase the blinking frequency so it is easily detectable to traffic behind.
Except the problem with this is that signals flash faster when they burn out or stop working to let the driver know that its time to change the bulb.
With so many cars now having orange signals on the side view mirrors, looks much better if the rear signals match the side ones.
What about Semiphores Cooley? Keep up the good work, would Love More content from YOU. thanx.
one day i was driving on my lane, next to me from the side was a dodge ram that was an import from the us (in a country that is not us, where every other car have orange turn signal) he had lights on, so the "dimmed" red position light were on, then all of a sudden he changed the lane and break at the same time, to get to my lane, but i. didn't get it, i was confused why he did such an agresive move right when i got close to him, i managed to brake and he came in the lane, then once i was behind it, i realized that he had his turn signal on, it is just that it was the same red light used for stop, the same that is used for position light, and and and, the same used for turn signal ! i was amazed and confused that it is like that !
Im here because my motorcycle has extra rear signals in red. My narrow brake light has an integrated amber signal and i have small amber signals under the tail above the plate. I didn't feel safe with just that but someone added bright red brake LEDs to the rear peg arms and i rewired them as turn signals. Super bright but not amber
amber is better.
North American car regulations are outdated when it comes to turn signals
wait...you telling the EU was way ahead of you with a basic stuff like this again?
Yes actually. That's how stupid US/Canada is with their taillight standards
US cars that are sold in Europe all have amber colour turn signal lenses.
Most US brand cars (Ford for example) are built in Europe and some are models we no longer or never had in the US
screw red turn signals, they suck. it is interesting to note most jdm manufacturers use amber turn signals while red turn signals are far more likely with the domestic & eu brands..
I hate red turn signal on all car's
I’ve always wondered this!
Brian please come back. CNET on CARS was my favourite show on YT.
Exactly! I couldn't agree with you more! Please bring back CNET on Cars!!
1:16 That would have been true, if not European car manufacturers, specifically German ones. They deliberately change their taillights with already existing amber turn signals to red ones for US market. On some Audis and BMWs I even saw amber light emitting LEDs disengaged in the rear taillights and an additional wire went to stop lights to make them blink as turn signals.
So you have to firstly develop and assemble ‘full spec’ taillight with amber lights and then secondly you have to rearrange them.
Why the hell all that if amber turn signals are perfectly legal???
Just put the European spec taillights and they’ll do the job perfectly!
So why then do they change from amber to red?
@1:44 pretty much what insurance company be asking Tesla cars.
What about front turn signal colors? White? Red? Amber?
Those are actually required to be amber and that has been the case since at least the 1960s
As long there is an Amber color in the turn signal, like the Tesla model x (US Spec) where both tail/turn lights are combos, like when you have the brake light on, and when the turn signals are on, the brake light turns Amber.
(This is kinda hard to explain, but this is the best I could do)
No. That's almost just as bad
That's still eliminating a functioning brake lamp for a turn indicator. Some Ram pickups do the same. I literally screamed "WTF DODGE" when I first seen it
My 1980 Monza and my 1985 Cavalier used amber turn signals. I personally prefer red.
Why? There's NO logical reason to prefer red
Stupid design red turn signal and worst is shared with brake light
Car company change law because they can made cheeper car and dont cost them another bulb and wiring
You should see front of you car and recognize that bilnker on or braking for few imprtant secend
If hazard on and braking in car that without third brake light imposible.
In some place its illegal using hazard when driving bcause car companis in usa are jerk.
God konw how many people killed or injured or how many accsident occurre in years till now.
I didnt know they were red in america, it seems easy to confuse indicator with brake light. But I'm sure you are used to it if you live in the US
there have been a few times when, because of the sun or street lights, i have had a harder time seeing the orange color. really the best turn lights are BIG turn lights
Do you live in Europe?
This is true. Brake lights are almost often bright enough to overpower the orange color and rending the turn signal useless if you cant see it flashing. Integrated brake/turn signal lights are scientifically proven to be the simplest and safest.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Cite your source, because NHTSA has proven you to be wrong
@@exoticcar5482 the NHTSA article you are referring to is over 10 years old! How do you think that article is still relevant today? It’s not. LED lighting has had a major impact on the effective of rear turn signals and safety. The NHTSA study was flawed as the data didn’t include input from the elderly, color blind, or brand new drivers. The newest data includes these drivers and proves the absolute safest turn signals are one blinking LED light. The integrated brake/turn signal combination utilizing LED lights was easier for the elderly and color blind to see. It’s scientifically proven and common sense. The most confusing and least safe style was the LED brake light and incandescent amber turn signal. Elderly and color blind stated that the very bright LED brake lights overpowered the less bright incandescent amber turn signal and they were unable to tell the turn signal was on. Another interesting and very safe example can be found on some Ram and Jeep vehicles. Where the LED brake light switches from red to amber when the turn signal is turned on. Very cool technology.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Cite those newer studies
This is another one of those "only in the US" abnormalities.
Wasn't there a story about an american auto manufacturer pushing for red rear indicator/brake lights integration because it made their design look better?
Regardless, the prevalence of red siganl lights is something that ***US car manufacturers advocated for (one of "the big three" if I remember well) and it has been, in my opinion, the most idiotic thing any car manufacturer has done (along with electric seatbelts, oy!). Ever since I was a kid (53 now) i cannot remember a single car my dad owned that did not have amber turn signals. And I only remember because our dad used to be an auto tech all his life and had his own "mechanic shop." My brother and I learnt about cars early on thanks to him.
Only two of the cars I've owned did not have amber signal lights, and I rigged the assemblies to have separate RED brake lights **and separate* AMBER turn signal lights. It's not difficult. And for those trying to make a point of how bright the different colour bulbs are -- that's a moot point because of current LED technology.
The rest of the world is on-board with a **logical and safe standard.** And there are multiple studies (google them) with plenty of data as to the better effectiveness and safety advantages of amber signal lights.
But, litigious and absurdly individualistic US always wants to beat to its own drum, even if it's deafeningly stupid. 😉
What about orange side markers lights. they are so useless and they ruin so many US-spec cars!
zuti071 It's mandated for US vehicles in the late 1960's and early 1970's. It stuck ever since.
if tastefully done, it doesn't ruin the design. it's quite useful is dimly lit areas. me and most people in our community have small houses without garage and we park our cars by the road. those reflectors make the cars very obvious at night.
Yes
That's one weird thing I noticed in US. Dim red turn signals 😆
I saw aftermarket blue turn signals the other day. Wonder how legal that is.
pretty illegal you can’t have any blue lights on your car
They should at least make the signals separate from the brake lights if they really want red signals
Is it legal to have clear white turn signals but when u turn on ur turn signal it turns back to Amber yellow ??
Why would that be illegal? The turn signal isn't white. It's just a clear lens with an amber light source behind it
What about the front¿
Front is already required to be amber in the US ironically enough and that has been the law since 1963
@@exoticcar5482 amber when turning or at all times? Are switchbacks legal?
@@octaviolozano6890 When turning
@@octaviolozano6890 And yes, switchbacks from DRL are legal. Not applicable to headlights tho
Worst than color is shared with brake light (same bulb)
As a europerson, I think it is senseless novel and kinda hot
If its cheaper and more estetical to put both red lenses, maybe you can put amber bulb inside. Most of EU cars have reverse and indicators in white housing but indicatros have amber bulb inside. Works just as it should and still you dont have "ugly" amber lens.
Feels like the most cruicial explanation is left out. US standards require a minimum size of 50 cm2 in the US for turnsignal. While the rest of the world use tiny LED-stripes, to get the right lumen required, US still demand a specific size for turn signals. The 50 squrare millimeters can only be achieved by letting the whole lamp flash instead. Trends are of course playing a vital role, like when cars managing the required size in yellow space, still use the red signals, but the core for last years shift for red, has to to with LED-taillights.
And the funny thing is, that size standard you're referring to has been scientifically proven outdated yet the law STILL hasn't changed
Can you prove that larger red is still better than amber even in fog? Red color and fog don't go well together.
Another scenario: you're approaching from back-left, other car has broken left tail light, you do not have direct line of sight to front of other car. How do you know that left turn signal isn't on?
50 cm² is 50 square centimeters.
50 square millimeters would be laughably easy... That's closer to size of mirror mounted indicators (also known as side repeaters) in some modern cars.
In europe is orange
Huh? Having an amber light is going off and doing something weird??
Big big Like
But you didn't answer the question.
Why us car manufacturers started to use red in turning signals
Juan The One before globalisation, American cars all had red turn signals. Then imports came with their amber, but since the US law never changed, there was no incentive for the manufacturers to change.
superchan7: but why the red? The rest of the planet have always use amber
In the 1960s, laws began to change to standardise automotive lighting. Among those requirements were amber signals all around, except in the US. This particular US regulation just never changed.
@@canto_v12 The interesting thing is by the 60s American turn signals in the front were required to be amber yet the turn signals on the rear couldn't be amber. This regulation changed in the 1970s when Volkswagen introduced the first vehicle in the US with amber turn signals in 1973 and amber or red were allowed by that point. Unfortunately nothing has changed since and it better as red turn signals are a safety hazard
i had a 2004 accord Orange turn signals now I have a 2006 accord it has red turn signals why? it annoys me. 2006 accord hybrid has Orange turn signals? its the same car. red is ugly!
Jon Carlos two words, cost cutting.
Call me contrarian, but I actually do think there is a legitimate reason beyond style not to have amber turn signals here in the United States. Unlike European roads, American roads are considerably larger and more frequented at night-thus, it makes sense to pick a wavelength that retains its visibility at longer ranges. Amber, though more visible within close range-is blinding when too close whereas red is sufficient without burning the retinas (excluding those LEDs that do not know the definition of too many lumens).
The issue emerges due to the design shift. Turn signals used to flip the switch completely on and off, including at night-however, recently they only change the intensity. Separated brake and turn signals are supposed to fix this, but in my opinion convey too much information. I do not need to know if you are braking and turning-the dominant action is sufficient for my reaction. Furthermore, the combined signals when both are active have a wavelength canceling effect in which the turn signal is blocked by the brake-though this could be intended, the intensity is unpleasant and distracting.
While the rest of the world is on amber.
I’m European and I fell in love with red turning signals in the USA
How about the Fact that Red doesn't destroy your night vision as much?
Neither does amber. You're thinking about blue light
We in Saudi Arabia use red like the Americans because most of our cars are American and some of the non American cars make it red for The Saudi Arabia car market