I know it has been years but I am looking for a tutorial on this for say wainscoting. This would make doing the panels so much easier. Any thoughts? I have looked on UA-cam and can not find anything useful
Chad, I actually tried modelling wainscot for my 1895 house in Revit using the traditional curtainwall tool and it was possible but a lot of work when I got to the staircase (because of 3 and 5 point panels which the traditional curtainwall tool doesn't like...I essentially faked it by trigging out the sloped edges in individual panels). If I had to do it again I would definitely use the adaptive component tool. The tricky thing even with that is getting nodes on the diagonal to anchor to. This is resolvable using Dynamo to deploy the panels instead of a host surface in the Revit project. But that's another lecture.
I know you mention about the details of mullions.... But how detail can you get? Because Im trying to do mullions with small details such as screw bosses and such....Thanks
Joey Magee Hi Joey,Catia has the capacity to manage that kind of detail without crashing but if you put that kind of detail into a Revit panel and populate a reasonably sized wall (usually curtainwalls are big because that's their nature) you're going to either crash or have very slow behavior. For architectural drawing in Revit, I advise you stick to conventional 2D detailing once you get closer than 1/2" (1:20) scale.That being said, if you need to do detailed three dimensional drawings of curtainwall units and you limited yourself to one panel in a RVT project file, it might be possible to do a lot of detail without crashing (just don't try to push that panel into a project. Usually that kind of industrial detailing is done in software designed for that purpose...Solidworks or Inventor can do this well because they replicate industrial practices (like for instance, bending radii of break metal.)
I was wondering why did you use faced based template to draw the mullion? wouldn't you have achieved the same result just drawing the profile in generic adaptive file? what did you use the faced based for
+Rory H Hi Rory. This was three versions ago and I don't remember exactly why I did what I did other than remebering that Adaptive Components were really new at the time and we were shooting in the dark. I did just go in and do the same kind of profile creation in the Adaptive Component environment and it seems to have the same limitations as the face based generic model of only allowing a single closed loop (in other words you can't draw a hollow curtainwall mullion). Also there is an annoying aspect of the Adaptive Component environment in that the drawing plane reset has a hair trigger. Everytime you touch a reference plane, it resets as your drawing plane. So pushing them with temporary dimensions resets the drawing plane. For the same reason you can't mirror a reference plane. When I make profiles I like to parametize them and this takes twice as long in the AC environment.
+numnumbirdynumnum Hi, thanks for the reply. Yes it's true you cannot create a hollow form from 2 closed loops directly using create form but I was able to achieve an adaptive hollow mullion by using 2 profiles, one for create solid form and a smaller offsetted profile for creating void form. Mirroring a plane in AC environment doesnt seem to work in 3D view but does in plan. Im thinking if there is a way to parametise the thickness of a hollow mullion frame, any ideas?
+Rory H Rory that's very clever if it works! I'm away from my laptop and can't test the theory but what I would do is parametize both profile lengths and then nest those parameters into your parent file (the AC file where you're making the extrusion). Then create a thickness parameter in the parent file. Then link the three parameters arithmetically with a formula driving the inside profile length by subtracting the thickness parameter from the outside profile length. (If your extrusion is a simple rectangle you will need to do this for both length and width separately.) good luck! I'll try this when I'm back with my machine. Also just to re-emphasize my earlier point, be cautious about over detailing your models. Curtain walls are by their nature, large and expansive. Your machine might begin to choke on too much three dimensional detail.
+numnumbirdynumnum Thanks for posting that and the mention in the end :) I discovered something even cooler and more convenient, you can probably add it to the end of the video. I created a similar profile that you did with the parameters (in a generic AC file), and I set Yes/No instance parameters to control visibility of the outer and inner profiles using one family type. Then load the profile into the parent file and insert it onto the reference line plane, make sure only the outer profile is selected in the instance properties panel, select the 3 reference lines and hit the create form. You'll get a solid sweep. The coolest part is when you go back to the properties panel and tick the inner profile instance parameter (while keeping the outer one ticked), it'll automatically create a void! And the cooler part is that now your dimension type parameters, like thickness etc, will manipulate the geometry directly without any linking/formulas because you're not using 2 separate family types. PLUS if you go back to the profile family editor and add new rectangles within rectangles inside your profile lines and load it back in/overwrite, it will create new hollow shells automatically. Go ahead try it :)
I like 14:30 because apparently fixing a problem for you means changing the required mass. Good Video Though.
Is there a video which explains how you extruded those really detailed mullions?? Amazing.
Yes. This video. But you have to watch the whole thing.
Thank you very much! It really helped.
very good work. very original
Thanks!
I know it has been years but I am looking for a tutorial on this for say wainscoting. This would make doing the panels so much easier. Any thoughts? I have looked on UA-cam and can not find anything useful
Chad, I actually tried modelling wainscot for my 1895 house in Revit using the traditional curtainwall tool and it was possible but a lot of work when I got to the staircase (because of 3 and 5 point panels which the traditional curtainwall tool doesn't like...I essentially faked it by trigging out the sloped edges in individual panels). If I had to do it again I would definitely use the adaptive component tool. The tricky thing even with that is getting nodes on the diagonal to anchor to. This is resolvable using Dynamo to deploy the panels instead of a host surface in the Revit project. But that's another lecture.
so useful, thanks a lot !
I know you mention about the details of mullions.... But how detail can you get? Because Im trying to do mullions with small details such as screw bosses and such....Thanks
Joey Magee Hi Joey,Catia has the capacity to manage that kind of detail without crashing but if you put that kind of detail into a Revit panel and populate a reasonably sized wall (usually curtainwalls are big because that's their nature) you're going to either crash or have very slow behavior. For architectural drawing in Revit, I advise you stick to conventional 2D detailing once you get closer than 1/2" (1:20) scale.That being said, if you need to do detailed three dimensional drawings of curtainwall units and you limited yourself to one panel in a RVT project file, it might be possible to do a lot of detail without crashing (just don't try to push that panel into a project. Usually that kind of industrial detailing is done in software designed for that purpose...Solidworks or Inventor can do this well because they replicate industrial practices (like for instance, bending radii of break metal.)
Good video tutorial
genius, thank you.
I was wondering why did you use faced based template to draw the mullion? wouldn't you have achieved the same result just drawing the profile in generic adaptive file? what did you use the faced based for
+Rory H Hi Rory. This was three versions ago and I don't remember exactly why I did what I did other than remebering that Adaptive Components were really new at the time and we were shooting in the dark. I did just go in and do the same kind of profile creation in the Adaptive Component environment and it seems to have the same limitations as the face based generic model of only allowing a single closed loop (in other words you can't draw a hollow curtainwall mullion). Also there is an annoying aspect of the Adaptive Component environment in that the drawing plane reset has a hair trigger. Everytime you touch a reference plane, it resets as your drawing plane. So pushing them with temporary dimensions resets the drawing plane. For the same reason you can't mirror a reference plane. When I make profiles I like to parametize them and this takes twice as long in the AC environment.
+numnumbirdynumnum Hi, thanks for the reply. Yes it's true you cannot create a hollow form from 2 closed loops directly using create form but I was able to achieve an adaptive hollow mullion by using 2 profiles, one for create solid form and a smaller offsetted profile for creating void form. Mirroring a plane in AC environment doesnt seem to work in 3D view but does in plan. Im thinking if there is a way to parametise the thickness of a hollow mullion frame, any ideas?
+Rory H Rory that's very clever if it works! I'm away from my laptop and can't test the theory but what I would do is parametize both profile lengths and then nest those parameters into your parent file (the AC file where you're making the extrusion). Then create a thickness parameter in the parent file. Then link the three parameters arithmetically with a formula driving the inside profile length by subtracting the thickness parameter from the outside profile length. (If your extrusion is a simple rectangle you will need to do this for both length and width separately.) good luck! I'll try this when I'm back with my machine.
Also just to re-emphasize my earlier point, be cautious about over detailing your models. Curtain walls are by their nature, large and expansive. Your machine might begin to choke on too much three dimensional detail.
+Rory H Try this. ua-cam.com/video/0oRd954O0Sw/v-deo.html
+numnumbirdynumnum Thanks for posting that and the mention in the end :) I discovered something even cooler and more convenient, you can probably add it to the end of the video. I created a similar profile that you did with the parameters (in a generic AC file), and I set Yes/No instance parameters to control visibility of the outer and inner profiles using one family type. Then load the profile into the parent file and insert it onto the reference line plane, make sure only the outer profile is selected in the instance properties panel, select the 3 reference lines and hit the create form. You'll get a solid sweep. The coolest part is when you go back to the properties panel and tick the inner profile instance parameter (while keeping the outer one ticked), it'll automatically create a void! And the cooler part is that now your dimension type parameters, like thickness etc, will manipulate the geometry directly without any linking/formulas because you're not using 2 separate family types. PLUS if you go back to the profile family editor and add new rectangles within rectangles inside your profile lines and load it back in/overwrite, it will create new hollow shells automatically. Go ahead try it :)
thank you