As the alleged "creator", or first cause, then he created people to do evil, in fact if that person was designed to do evil, and that creator god knows he will do evil, then the person cannot choose differently, must act according that that creator's foreknowledge and has no free will.
Yes and if you are watching a recording of a match you watched last night you are responsible for the actions of the players and the results of the match in the recording.
@@CostarPelotheri Does that mean I am responsible for your inequivalent comment because I happen to just read it? No one but the bible god is claimed to be omnipresent and omnipotent. Surely many have prayed to it to keep him self safe and victorious over the opponent. 🤣
Notwithstanding the conversation though, God ultimately takes charge of everything by providing justice to all, so that everybody gets what they deserve. Those that innocently lost their lives to wicked people or systems are given their lives back at the end and those that perpetrated evil against others also get their punishment, etc.
Dealing with creatures endowed with genuine freedom of moral choice is not a simple matter even to God. So, God's sovereignty should be the one that takes human free will seriously. I'm thankful to God for creating me with an ability to reject God with my will. This means that that ability is in turn the capacity to obey God and love God. If the definition of sovereignty precludes the reality of human freedom as in Calvinism, it is not so much the divine sovereignty as a terrifying dictatorship.
"What Does "God's Sovereignty" Mean?" Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not now, not when you die. Live your life now. Treat others how you would like to be treated.
"He permits certain things to occur..." Such as children who get raped and murdered. I say that if he can not at least take that off the table then either he is a monster or he does not exist. Which do you think is more likely?
How do you know if someone is saying something worth considering? When half the people in the comments section only provide insults out of disagreement
The gift of free will allows us to create things we desire. So the existence of things not of God's desire to us is a creation we alone have created. God allows us to create evil things because God honors free will and loves us so much that God does not interfere with your free will even if it is being used in an unloving way. This is because free will is God's Truth and God's Truth never changes. However, know this, sin is missing the mark of God's Love. What is God's Love is beyond our understanding of the reality of love. Sinning (missing the mark of God's Love) creates unloving things. Perhaps unloving each other for who knows how many eons of years to the point we perfected it and integrated it as reality. All while not seeing the actual reality that God gave us that is not gone and forgotten but written in all our hearts that we are meant to love those also who do not love us back.
You are correct in the sense that there is nothing that God sovereignly either LETS happen or HAS happen… However, you are fundamentally wrong to assume that ‘sin’ is a moral infraction (rather than a spiritual condition as Scripture clearly teaches) - we’re not sinners because we sin, but because we’re sinners, we sin - biiiiig difference! You insist on assuming, as an unexamined theological/philosophical bias, that we possess ’free will’ (in the libertarian sense), which just ain’t so! When you properly unpack what in fact amounts to a commitment to ‘open theism’, you’ll in fact find there’s a real tension (in fact, dissonance) in your premises… On your argument then, you have to pray… “Our Father who art in heaven Hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done in heaven, but not here on earth where my will reigns supreme…”
Sovereignty means the right to control. The question: What degree of control does God assert? Determinism’s extreme claims that God hyper-micromanages everything. The opposite extreme would have no interference in human decisions at all (unless there’s something YOU want God to do). Between the extremes: God does just enough to achieve the goals that serve His purposes.
Exactly. So often the word is twisted out if recognition by those who want to push their deterministic views on the Bible. But sovereignty has nothing to do with control. It simply means "kingship" and carries a meaning of ultimate or highest authority. The term "sovereign Lord" being something similar to "God who reigns". But people will still say "oh, I believe in God's sovereignty!" As though that has something to do with determinism.🤦♂️
@@samuelbarns118 I wouldn’t single out determinists. That view does damage, but the opposite view has worse effects and is far more prevalent. That’s why I’d place the balance point closer to determinism. Sovereignty is a metaphor for a truth that’s even stronger that kingship. There’s a limit to even a king’s rights. God has ‘creator’s rights.’ His rights over His creation have no limit. God does not universally assert His rights. Because of His great love, He does not act only in self interest; because of His holiness, He always act righteously. But when He does act, we have no right to criticize; rather, we have an obligation to praise.
@@GayorgVonTrapp do you have a 100% verified example of an object popping into existence from nothing without a cause? Any examples of programming not requiring a programmer? Design not requiring a designer? Life not coming from life and or from random chance? Anywhere? Ever?
@@MarkNOTW I checked back on my post … 1. I never claimed that objects pop into existence from nothing. 2. I never claimed that programming doesn’t require a programmer. 3. I never claimed that design doesn’t require a designer. 4. I said nothing about life coming from anything. Have you got the wrong person? Bizarre post. But the guy before me DID claim something, that I asked him to back up. Can we focus on that?
I find it jarring that these videos are obviously sped up. I'd love it if we just kept them the regular speed. Craig has a great cadence to his speaking and speeding it up makes these feel rushed to me.
That’s just garbage. If god has everything in his control why the hell would he let clergymen rape children? He should have smitten each one of those mothers the moment they laid a hand on a child. There are so many more examples of atrocities that should not have been allowed to happen…period. There is complicit responsibility on the part of your god. 👎🏻
But if you buy into the same God myth this guy does you have to also except that God created man. This God is supposedly perfect and therefore you have to except that he chose to create evil. I believe that means that he is himself evil. But that would contradict mythology.
When God threaten to burn us in Hell, He is attempting to deny us our will. A rapist holds a gun to a woman's head with the intent to deny her will to not have sex with him.
No. We are all already heading to hell, God offers salvation. A better analogy would be we are all experiencing severe sexual abuse all the time and God offers safety and healing in marriage with Him.
I don't really think Dr. Craig defines God's sovereignty clearly, muddling along with two wills, absolute and permissive. I'd say God's sovereignity means he, alone, is the highest authority, holds the absolute power, and is not answerable and subject to anyone. How he reigns and what he allows is another subject.
I strongly disagree. If God's will was for no one to sin he would not have created the circumstances by which they could sin. Unless of course, he wanted them to be able to. And yes I know you're going to say will he gave you free will, I'll tell you what I would have rather not had any and then I would have absolutely no chance at going to hell. Which of course I don't believe we would have freewill under the regime of a all-powerful God. Because there isn't any room for any. Outside of the will of this omniscient dictator. To make matters worse, because God can see the past present and future simultaneously he absolutely knew who would sin and who wouldn't making the whole entire practice useless.
If you were a maximally great and all powerful being, who can essentially do anything you please, and create anything you please, and being the most powerful and perfect being in existence, why wouldn’t you choose to create some form of “living being” in your image, to enjoy you in all of your glory and perfection. Not that you would need to or that you would stand to gain anything you don’t already have, but as an example, if you were the most gifted musician that ever lived, only capable of creating the most beautiful music ever played, would you play it only in your closet for no one to hear? Or would you play it from the mountain tops, and biggest stadiums in the world, in front of as many people as possible, for as many beings to enjoy as possible. Now, how satisfying would it be to create a race of robots that simply followed you? Or would it be more satisfying since God IS love, and love exists perfectly between the three persons of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, wouldn’t you want to create living creatures that are capable of choosing to partake in that loving connection and love you as God? And if you want said “living creature” to love you, it must CHOOSE to love you, so you must give that creature free will, which means that some may not choose you. Choosing something other than God is called sin, and so sin would inevitably enter that type of universe. It may also be, that in your infinite wisdom as God you would be able to know of any possible universe created, which universal attributes are necessary to bring the most living creatures to choose you to love you as God. And it just may be that it had to be a universe that contained pain and suffering unfortunately. When we commit a crime and cause harm or loss to someone, the victim must be compensated to wipe the slate clean and the repayment or punishment is based on who the crime was committed against. If we kill a bug we don’t answer to anyone, if we get caught speeding while driving we break local state law and must pay a fine, if we kill an animal we may pay a fine or face some minor jail time, if we kill a human being we may face most or all of our Earthly life in prison, if we sin against God, who is infinitely great and infinitely holy, the repayment is also infinite. As finite beings the largest debt we can pay is our life, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 ESV. But the death of our flesh is not enough to fully satisfy that debt, so our eternal soul must also face infinite death and punishment. If you are an infinitely holy God who is perfectly just, there is no way around this. You can’t just choose to waive your hand and forgive these creatures, justice demands a repayment. So who exists that can satisfy this debt against an infinitely holy God? No one, as the debt is infinite and only God is infinite. Also, since the sin was committed by man, man is responsible for this debt, so in order for this debt to be repaid, man must pay it, but only God is valuable enough, so God devised a plan where he would enter into his creation and become both, in the person of the God-man Jesus Christ. As 100% man, he is able to stand in our place as the representative or substitute for mankind, but the typical sinful man can’t do that since he has his OWN debt to deal with, you would need a man who also has none of his own debt, and since Jesus was sinless he was worthy to be our substitute, but also since he is 100% God He is infinitely valuable and is able to repay an infinite sin. Jesus dying on the cross was God’s only option if he wanted to create living creatures capable of CHOOSING to love him.
@@sean_diddy3262 if the goal was to keep everyone out of pain and suffering and hell, then yes a robot would have been a far superior option. But nevertheless something that isn't lacking anything wouldn't desire, anything. I'm very familiar with all the rhetoric, The problem is the underlining framework doesn't make logical sense providing we make the assumption of God being all-powerful, omniscient and all-loving.
@@sean_diddy3262 remember friend, you're literally asserting that this God who is all-powerful and all loving created the prerequisites in which we find ourselves. That mainly being born into sin or corruption. Then as you claim, this God decided the best way to fix the problem it created was to sacrifice itself to itself for itself. And as if we needed another logical fallacy, God, being immortal, could not have died for your sins. Because death would violate the definition of immortality.
@@sean_diddy3262 but the formerly answer your inquiry, if I were a maximally great or all-powerful being I would never create a system or universe in which the things I've created that I love could suffer. I would have created them equal to me and in my presence always. Without disillusion or confusion. Because that would make the most sense. Ultimately they would still choose to be by my side because I would have also made them capable of understanding what would happen otherwise. Because I would have started with them being created perfect they would be by definition incapable of making mistakes. If I wanted some of them to fail, I would create a universe like the one you see. Love cannot be coerced. The Christian God is saying love me, or else. All the while literally engineering unbelief in most of the population simply because of where they were born or a lack of evidence to believe.
@@someoneelse6618 first off, thank you for reading my whole post, I know it was long :). It really is a fascinating topic for sure. The holy Trinity is hard for even Christians to understand. Jesus is the one and only “God Man” which is also hard to comprehend. It doesn’t defy logic because He was both 100% man and 100% God at the same time. As Christian’s we believe we all have spiritual souls that are going to exist for all time. We just happen to reside in a finite body. The same happened with Jesus, He is 100% God which is spirit, but he was living in a finite human body which did die, and he resurrected into His new immortal physical body and ascended back to Heaven. We can’t even begin to comprehend the mind of God. We are like ants trying to understand a human beings thoughts, I think too many non-believers throw around comments like “God can’t do this, or God wouldn’t do that, or an all powerful being doesn’t need this”…we can’t put Him in a box, He can do whatever He pleases, and if He wants to make a creation capable of free will with the option to choose to live Him, who are we to say He can’t?
Define, permits. Permit by license, or permit by refusing to intervene? God NEVER permits what he prohibits! God is THE sovereign, he is the highest authority and power, above which there is no appeal. He is sovereign in all he does. he cannot do anything in less than a sovereign way.
I love how there’s always these people that come into the comments and just arbitrarily roast his argument on absolutely no basis and with no reasoning and then run away and their comment gets likes 😂😂😂😂😂
Before we came here, we stood an a council with heavenly Father Jesus Christ and Satan. And the rest of us of course. God said I have a plan to send everyone to Earth and how are we going to get them back to us. Satan's plan was to force us back no free will. Christ's plan was the one we have. This is the rebellion when the devil tried to take over God's power and he was cast out with a third of his angels and as in Revelation
@@randydouglass8872 Jesus is God. If you fail to submit to biblical truth you will burn in the lake of fire with satan, eternally. Go back to the Bible please. For your own sake. Or are you too far gone?
Craig just makes up new stuff, new terminology. I admire his creative fantasy. It is as if he dissected his god and took out all the organs.
Lol, wow. It's sounds like we think alike but man (!) you have a way in saying it 😂
As the alleged "creator", or first cause, then he created people to do evil, in fact if that person was designed to do evil, and that creator god knows he will do evil, then the person cannot choose differently, must act according that that creator's foreknowledge and has no free will.
Interesting topic for sure
Bestowing free will is different than being permissive.
Permissive implies it's permitted, but God wants absolutely nothing to do with sin. The wages of sin is death.
The term sovereign has been hijacked. It’s a title or a noun; not a verb.
Yes
If god is Omniscient there is not a difference between him permitting something and him committing the act itself.
Exactly!👍🏼
Yes and if you are watching a recording of a match you watched last night you are responsible for the actions of the players and the results of the match in the recording.
@@CostarPelotheri Does that mean I am responsible for your inequivalent comment because I happen to just read it? No one but the bible god is claimed to be omnipresent and omnipotent. Surely many have prayed to it to keep him self safe and victorious over the opponent. 🤣
@@MrBugPop I am applying the logic proposed here because you think God’s foreknowledge of the outcome means he is responsible for it.
Notwithstanding the conversation though, God ultimately takes charge of everything by providing justice to all, so that everybody gets what they deserve. Those that innocently lost their lives to wicked people or systems are given their lives back at the end and those that perpetrated evil against others also get their punishment, etc.
Do we define God, or does God define us?
Dealing with creatures endowed with genuine freedom of moral choice is not a simple matter even to God. So, God's sovereignty should be the one that takes human free will seriously. I'm thankful to God for creating me with an ability to reject God with my will. This means that that ability is in turn the capacity to obey God and love God. If the definition of sovereignty precludes the reality of human freedom as in Calvinism, it is not so much the divine sovereignty as a terrifying dictatorship.
"What Does "God's Sovereignty" Mean?" Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not now, not when you die. Live your life now. Treat others how you would like to be treated.
It means everything. Live your life for Him. Love others how Jesus loves you
Now why would I treat others the way I want to be treated?
"He permits certain things to occur..." Such as children who get raped and murdered. I say that if he can not at least take that off the table then either he is a monster or he does not exist. Which do you think is more likely?
How do you know if someone is saying something worth considering? When half the people in the comments section only provide insults out of disagreement
The gift of free will allows us to create things we desire. So the existence of things not of God's desire to us is a creation we alone have created. God allows us to create evil things because God honors free will and loves us so much that God does not interfere with your free will even if it is being used in an unloving way. This is because free will is God's Truth and God's Truth never changes. However, know this, sin is missing the mark of God's Love. What is God's Love is beyond our understanding of the reality of love. Sinning (missing the mark of God's Love) creates unloving things. Perhaps unloving each other for who knows how many eons of years to the point we perfected it and integrated it as reality. All while not seeing the actual reality that God gave us that is not gone and forgotten but written in all our hearts that we are meant to love those also who do not love us back.
Though not being a Calvinist, Craig is so close to being a Calvinist.
You said //Though not being a Calvinist, Craig is so close to being a Calvinist.//////
The full statement doesn't change anything.
@@leonardu6094 On another topic, what theological camp are you in?
@@davidrobinson5180 Theology is a broad topic. Do you mean as it relates to soteriology?
@@leonardu6094 Yes, I didn't want to assume...but safely assuming you're a Christian.
@@davidrobinson5180 Yes. I'm a provisionist.
You are correct in the sense that there is nothing that God sovereignly either LETS happen or HAS happen…
However, you are fundamentally wrong to assume that ‘sin’ is a moral infraction (rather than a spiritual condition as Scripture clearly teaches) - we’re not sinners because we sin, but because we’re sinners, we sin - biiiiig difference!
You insist on assuming, as an unexamined theological/philosophical bias, that we possess ’free will’ (in the libertarian sense), which just ain’t so!
When you properly unpack what in fact amounts to a commitment to ‘open theism’, you’ll in fact find there’s a real tension (in fact, dissonance) in your premises…
On your argument then, you have to pray…
“Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done in heaven, but not here on earth where my will reigns supreme…”
Nothing. It means nothing.
Sovereignty means the right to control. The question: What degree of control does God assert? Determinism’s extreme claims that God hyper-micromanages everything. The opposite extreme would have no interference in human decisions at all (unless there’s something YOU want God to do). Between the extremes: God does just enough to achieve the goals that serve His purposes.
Exactly.
So often the word is twisted out if recognition by those who want to push their deterministic views on the Bible.
But sovereignty has nothing to do with control.
It simply means "kingship" and carries a meaning of ultimate or highest authority.
The term "sovereign Lord" being something similar to "God who reigns".
But people will still say "oh, I believe in God's sovereignty!" As though that has something to do with determinism.🤦♂️
@@samuelbarns118 I wouldn’t single out determinists. That view does damage, but the opposite view has worse effects and is far more prevalent. That’s why I’d place the balance point closer to determinism.
Sovereignty is a metaphor for a truth that’s even stronger that kingship. There’s a limit to even a king’s rights. God has ‘creator’s rights.’ His rights over His creation have no limit.
God does not universally assert His rights. Because of His great love, He does not act only in self interest; because of His holiness, He always act righteously. But when He does act, we have no right to criticize; rather, we have an obligation to praise.
@@ricksonora6656 Have you got an example of a 100% verified act of a ‘god’ ?
Anywhere? Ever?
@@GayorgVonTrapp do you have a 100% verified example of an object popping into existence from nothing without a cause? Any examples of programming not requiring a programmer? Design not requiring a designer? Life not coming from life and or from random chance? Anywhere? Ever?
@@MarkNOTW
I checked back on my post …
1. I never claimed that objects pop into existence from nothing.
2. I never claimed that programming doesn’t require a programmer.
3. I never claimed that design doesn’t require a designer.
4. I said nothing about life coming from anything.
Have you got the wrong person?
Bizarre post.
But the guy before me DID claim something, that I asked him to back up. Can we focus on that?
So… over… reigns.
Apply accordingly
That doesn’t really answer the implied question about how much God asserts His rights.
Some persons in certain situations??, What about original sin? The apostle Paul says in Romans 8 that those who are in the flesh CANNOT please God.
There is no such thing as original sin outside of the Judo Christian religion
I find it jarring that these videos are obviously sped up. I'd love it if we just kept them the regular speed. Craig has a great cadence to his speaking and speeding it up makes these feel rushed to me.
I think “jarring” is quite a dramatic overstatement. If this video is sped up, it is nearly imperceptible.
I think “jarring” is quite a dramatic overstatement. If this video is sped up, it is nearly imperceptible.
What twisted logic! Reminds me of MAGA and the Orange Jesus!
So... God willed the Holocaust?
Yes ok but he still does not know all the future . 🙂
That’s just garbage. If god has everything in his control why the hell would he let clergymen rape children? He should have smitten each one of those mothers the moment they laid a hand on a child. There are so many more examples of atrocities that should not have been allowed to happen…period. There is complicit responsibility on the part of your god. 👎🏻
But if you buy into the same God myth this guy does you have to also except that God created man. This God is supposedly perfect and therefore you have to except that he chose to create evil. I believe that means that he is himself evil. But that would contradict mythology.
When God threaten to burn us in Hell, He is attempting to deny us our will. A rapist holds a gun to a woman's head with the intent to deny her will to not have sex with him.
No. We are all already heading to hell, God offers salvation. A better analogy would be we are all experiencing severe sexual abuse all the time and God offers safety and healing in marriage with Him.
ok cool. so for god the ends justify the means.
I don't really think Dr. Craig defines God's sovereignty clearly, muddling along with two wills, absolute and permissive.
I'd say God's sovereignity means he, alone, is the highest authority, holds the absolute power, and is not answerable and subject to anyone.
How he reigns and what he allows is another subject.
Right, its the same thing the calvanist does.
Sounds like a good way to protect his god from evil things happening under his god's control.
God. The invisible man whom nobody has seen who lives up in the sky and watches everything you do.
Then it must be that God's absolute will is that we be free if He foresaw our desire to become like God.
Nonsense
You know nothing about the imaginary sky daddy
I strongly disagree. If God's will was for no one to sin he would not have created the circumstances by which they could sin.
Unless of course, he wanted them to be able to.
And yes I know you're going to say will he gave you free will, I'll tell you what I would have rather not had any and then I would have absolutely no chance at going to hell.
Which of course I don't believe we would have freewill under the regime of a all-powerful God.
Because there isn't any room for any.
Outside of the will of this omniscient dictator.
To make matters worse, because God can see the past present and future simultaneously he absolutely knew who would sin and who wouldn't making the whole entire practice useless.
If you were a maximally great and all powerful being, who can essentially do anything you please, and create anything you please, and being the most powerful and perfect being in existence, why wouldn’t you choose to create some form of “living being” in your image, to enjoy you in all of your glory and perfection. Not that you would need to or that you would stand to gain anything you don’t already have, but as an example, if you were the most gifted musician that ever lived, only capable of creating the most beautiful music ever played, would you play it only in your closet for no one to hear? Or would you play it from the mountain tops, and biggest stadiums in the world, in front of as many people as possible, for as many beings to enjoy as possible.
Now, how satisfying would it be to create a race of robots that simply followed you? Or would it be more satisfying since God IS love, and love exists perfectly between the three persons of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, wouldn’t you want to create living creatures that are capable of choosing to partake in that loving connection and love you as God? And if you want said “living creature” to love you, it must CHOOSE to love you, so you must give that creature free will, which means that some may not choose you. Choosing something other than God is called sin, and so sin would inevitably enter that type of universe.
It may also be, that in your infinite wisdom as God you would be able to know of any possible universe created, which universal attributes are necessary to bring the most living creatures to choose you to love you as God. And it just may be that it had to be a universe that contained pain and suffering unfortunately.
When we commit a crime and cause harm or loss to someone, the victim must be compensated to wipe the slate clean and the repayment or punishment is based on who the crime was committed against. If we kill a bug we don’t answer to anyone, if we get caught speeding while driving we break local state law and must pay a fine, if we kill an animal we may pay a fine or face some minor jail time, if we kill a human being we may face most or all of our Earthly life in prison, if we sin against God, who is infinitely great and infinitely holy, the repayment is also infinite. As finite beings the largest debt we can pay is our life, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 6:23 ESV.
But the death of our flesh is not enough to fully satisfy that debt, so our eternal soul must also face infinite death and punishment. If you are an infinitely holy God who is perfectly just, there is no way around this. You can’t just choose to waive your hand and forgive these creatures, justice demands a repayment. So who exists that can satisfy this debt against an infinitely holy God? No one, as the debt is infinite and only God is infinite. Also, since the sin was committed by man, man is responsible for this debt, so in order for this debt to be repaid, man must pay it, but only God is valuable enough, so God devised a plan where he would enter into his creation and become both, in the person of the God-man Jesus Christ. As 100% man, he is able to stand in our place as the representative or substitute for mankind, but the typical sinful man can’t do that since he has his OWN debt to deal with, you would need a man who also has none of his own debt, and since Jesus was sinless he was worthy to be our substitute, but also since he is 100% God He is infinitely valuable and is able to repay an infinite sin. Jesus dying on the cross was God’s only option if he wanted to create living creatures capable of CHOOSING to love him.
@@sean_diddy3262 if the goal was to keep everyone out of pain and suffering and hell, then yes a robot would have been a far superior option. But nevertheless something that isn't lacking anything wouldn't desire, anything.
I'm very familiar with all the rhetoric,
The problem is the underlining framework doesn't make logical sense providing we make the assumption of God being all-powerful, omniscient and all-loving.
@@sean_diddy3262 remember friend, you're literally asserting that this God who is all-powerful and all loving created the prerequisites in which we find ourselves. That mainly being born into sin or corruption.
Then as you claim, this God decided the best way to fix the problem it created was to sacrifice itself to itself for itself.
And as if we needed another logical fallacy, God, being immortal, could not have died for your sins.
Because death would violate the definition of immortality.
@@sean_diddy3262 but the formerly answer your inquiry, if I were a maximally great or all-powerful being I would never create a system or universe in which the things I've created that I love could suffer.
I would have created them equal to me and in my presence always.
Without disillusion or confusion.
Because that would make the most sense.
Ultimately they would still choose to be by my side because I would have also made them capable of understanding what would happen otherwise.
Because I would have started with them being created perfect they would be by definition incapable of making mistakes.
If I wanted some of them to fail, I would create a universe like the one you see.
Love cannot be coerced.
The Christian God is saying love me, or else.
All the while literally engineering unbelief in most of the population simply because of where they were born or a lack of evidence to believe.
@@someoneelse6618 first off, thank you for reading my whole post, I know it was long :). It really is a fascinating topic for sure. The holy Trinity is hard for even Christians to understand. Jesus is the one and only “God Man” which is also hard to comprehend. It doesn’t defy logic because He was both 100% man and 100% God at the same time. As Christian’s we believe we all have spiritual souls that are going to exist for all time. We just happen to reside in a finite body. The same happened with Jesus, He is 100% God which is spirit, but he was living in a finite human body which did die, and he resurrected into His new immortal physical body and ascended back to Heaven. We can’t even begin to comprehend the mind of God. We are like ants trying to understand a human beings thoughts, I think too many non-believers throw around comments like “God can’t do this, or God wouldn’t do that, or an all powerful being doesn’t need this”…we can’t put Him in a box, He can do whatever He pleases, and if He wants to make a creation capable of free will with the option to choose to live Him, who are we to say He can’t?
God is NOT sovereign...
False, this statement is not biblical at all and thereforennot true at all.
Define, permits.
Permit by license, or permit by refusing to intervene?
God NEVER permits what he prohibits!
God is THE sovereign, he is the highest authority and power, above which there is no appeal.
He is sovereign in all he does. he cannot do anything in less than a sovereign way.
I love how he creates his own false premise for every argument
What are you on about?
I love how there’s always these people that come into the comments and just arbitrarily roast his argument on absolutely no basis and with no reasoning and then run away and their comment gets likes 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Raiddd__ Glad you love it. How's your invisible supernatural friends doing?
@@jjevans1693 I don’t believe in supernatural friends what are you talking about 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Raiddd__ Sorry I thought you believed in legions of supernatural beings like most religious people do. God, angels, demons.
Before we came here, we stood an a council with heavenly Father Jesus Christ and Satan. And the rest of us of course. God said I have a plan to send everyone to Earth and how are we going to get them back to us. Satan's plan was to force us back no free will. Christ's plan was the one we have. This is the rebellion when the devil tried to take over God's power and he was cast out with a third of his angels and as in Revelation
Can we just make stuff up now?
@@kiwisaram9373 if you would like I can give you a whole list of scriptures that talk about that.
@@randydouglass8872 Jesus is God. If you fail to submit to biblical truth you will burn in the lake of fire with satan, eternally. Go back to the Bible please. For your own sake. Or are you too far gone?
@@randydouglass8872 OK, show us, but LDS “scriptures” don’t count.