Kommuna - Guide 319
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- The Kommuna, an salvage vessel of the Insert current rulers of Russia here Navy, is today's subject.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Could you do a definitive list of oldest X? Oldest warship in commission, oldest naval vessel, oldest seagoing warship in a non-ceremonial role, oldest support vessel, etc. The question comes up sometimes in forums and there is some dispute.
How about an episode on USS Savannah, CL42. Taking a Fritz-x and surviving.
Drach ,Sir could you please do something on a Brittish sub?( poss R class) that was found /recovered in a German port?
Did the Kommuna inspire or influence Project Azorian in any way?
Could you do a video about the soviet post war sverdlov class cruisers?
The rare ship guide that didn't end with "and subsequently sold for scrap".
thus far any way. though this one might well end with "and then russia did something stupid, and it ate a cruise missile"
The next thing in her life could be the ukrainian flag :)
This one will probably end with subsequently sunk
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@@glitterboy2098copium much
Second oldest commissioned naval vessel in a non-ceremonial role. We really need a video on BAP Puno! It's a bit hard to find current information on her and It would be great for someone with Drach's talent and resources to do so.
Huh, I never heard of this BAP Puno, I wonder how old she could be… (Spits out coffee) launched in *1872?!*
Would accompany a War of the Pacific (Not that One) video and one on the Huáscar nicely!
well that's just neat, TIL Puno operates on lake Titicaca, which also puts her as one of the highest elevation naval vessels as well, which includes most airships.
Hey are you suggesting USS Constitution is ceremonial!!! hehe
@@nitehawk86 I had to laugh when he got VERY specific on his wording just to exclude the old girl.😂😂
Might have to do a little update..
Right 😂
Somehow survived…
This ship saw entire generations of 20th and 21st century warships come and go. To the point she was around for the commissionings of both the superdreadnought QEs AND the carrier QEs, as well as the commissionings of both Kagas, and will probably be in service at the same time as all three carrier Enterprises (she was already around for the entire operational histories of CV-6 and CVN-65).
She’s seen the fall, rise, refall, rerise, of Russia and will soon se the ReREFall of it [Russia] as well
Was there a second Kaga class, are you confusing Akagi with the Kaga?
@@LostShipMate There's a DDH-184 Kaga, an aircraft carrier comissioned in 2017.
@@leszekkadelski9569 3 actually a civilian transport ship was called Kaga I think
@@leszekkadelski9569 DDH is a bit of a euphemism for a ship that's going to carry F-35s and has comparable displacement and length to the first Kaga...
Amazing that the design was so robust/practical that the Kommuna is is still afloat and functional through refits after a century of service! Thanks for presenting a five-minute guide on a ship that has a significant history, yet is not as widely known about.
More amazing is that it is a Russia ship that survived the the incompetency of the Czar's Navy and the Bolshevik Navy and is still functioning today.
It's what you do when you don't have the resources to build replacements.
@@kevinsullivan3448 She outlived the Tsar, the Soviets, and might outlive Putin at this rate
@@polygondwanaland8390 Unless he decides to try attacking Ukraine WITH the Kommuna, I'd out money on her outliving that old fart.
Still a naval ship, but definitely "And Now for Something Completely Different"
What a grim job salvaging hulls and tanks if crews didn't get out, also unbelievable that it's still in service well over 100 years after being commissioned.
little update,
today 21/04/2024, the ship has been hit in the Sevastapol harbor, damage is not yet clear to the pubblic.
Sad news. First the An225 and now the Kommuna.
@ricardokowalski1579 Yes, none of these would have been lost had Russia not decided to attack an invade Ukraine.
@@hardcasekara6409 Agreed.
Somehow fine.
For those who want more, Calum did a deep dive on this. The video is called: The Kommuna - Russia’s Bizarre 110 Year Old Warship
I would highly recommend it.
Links: ua-cam.com/video/0X2Dz6PA1rQ/v-deo.html 48min
12min ua-cam.com/video/ExSrsWAP34/v-deo.html
8min ua-cam.com/video/9f_fLlN-88k/v-deo.html
"a distressing habit of not surfacing as many times as they went down"
Is the absolute best drach-ism we've gotten in like a year.
The ship is a true motivator. It lifts others up.
Ah, Drach was in fine form today.
I love this ship. It’s so unique. I hope that when she is retired she gets made into a museum. Under whatever flag she’s flying on that date!
By then she'll have been fitted with hyperdrive engines and sent to salvage spaceships lost in the asteroid belt.
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Hell, you’re probably right, and the museum will have to be in orbit!
@@waynesworldofsci-techHegemony of Man Ship Martin Silenus.
The imperium of man would definitely refit her into a space recovery ship or something
Knowing the Russian approach, she'll rot at anchor until she sinks in a quiet corner of some derelict harbour. 😑
Give the Russians credit on this one: Kommuna is the positive side of a stellar ship design and use in polar opposite to the infamous Kamchatka in the Russo-Japanese war!
Russian ships are either gigachads like this and the Varyag or absolute trash like Kamchatka
@@lucasrembold1144 idk if kamchatka was actually a bad ship itself. Think it was just filled with incompetent sailors or at least command staff
My great uncle served on her back in Soviet times. Great ship. At one point they tried to rust a piece of her hull. No luck despite the crews best efforts. If she does sink it will be in spite of the Russian Navies attempts
She is the antithesis of the Admiral Kuznetsov.
Why would somebody want to intentionally rust a piece of a vessel? It’s like cancer once it starts
@@E-Hamel1911 ah that makes sense now. Thank you!
@@johnnichter5087 They had to cut out a piece of deck plating. So they did. Story was the ship couldnt rust. Despite their best efforts the piece of steel didnt
@@KittyCatWoT I bet Putin’s Russia wish they had the technology to produce such steel again. They could then convince Admiral Kuznetsov that it’s life ain’t worth her sinking herself over.
This ship was launched only 10 years after the first flight at Kitty Hawk and the year after the Titanic sank. She has seen the world change.
Given its lack of strategic value, Kommuna has high chances of weathering another conflict (and perhaps another change of government).
Wonder if she'll be able to hit the 200 years cap.
Enh.. wrong kind of strategic value. Kommuna has a LOT of strategic value. for sea recovery vehicles, she's HUGE, sure bigger ones exist, but very few of them. such things are often one-of unique designs. So using the services of one... comes at a steep premium.
@@marhawkman303 How can the Kommuna impact the ukrainian war ? What would the ukrainians gain by spending time, efforts and ressources to make her need her own services ?
@@Paludion hmm... well... Kommuna has done a lot of things, if it's a sunk ship... Kommuna is relevant to your recovery efforts. You know people want to salvage the Moskva. Kommuna can't just raise it on her own, but would be quite a useful asset in a salvage attempt.
@@marhawkman303 That's mostly post war work, unless Russia really wants to get back the nuclear warheards that went down with the Moskva... but I don't believe Russia is running out of THAT anytime soon. ^^
Can the Kommuna still serve as a resupply ship today for submarines though ?
But perhaps it's safer to load you Iskander missiles in port rather than at sea... especially when you don't have to cruise really far to launch them and get back to port afterward.
@@Paludion most militarys don't like the idea of letting those lying around... they try to recover them at least to rest asure that if they can't get em back nobody else might grab em and bag em
Definitely the naval version of "keeps going and going and going..."
"If it ain't broke, don't fix"
Amazing that the ship is still in active use. Her service is a testament to her design
The model maker in me would like to try taking this one on even though I KNOW that I lack that much skill.
@@robertf3479 And I want to recreate it in Stormworks. :D
@@foo219 Interesting, I have found a fellow Stormworks player...
@@ducksonplays4190 I've been working on recreating the "Kamchatka" ever since the Voyage of the Damned episode. :D
@@ducksonplays4190 I mean, if you like ships, what's not to like about Stormworks? And From the Depths for that matter...
If the Kommuna could talk Drac could have a whole new series of videos because once again it's the little ships who have the most interesting stories.
I was in junior school in Bulgaria in 1978 when sailors visited us and told some stories about her.
As little kids from a naval port city we were so fascinated.
Remember the name -Kommuna.
She was in for repairs in Varna then.
Astonishing! Not just because she is currently active yet meets Drach's time-frame policy.
I'm impressed when I hear of old ships and planes that continue in service--this ship, and B-52 bombers, for example. Good engineering, proper maintenance, careful modifications to meet new needs result in long usefulness,
The fact that her CO and crew fought tooth and nail to keep her afloat and maintained during the shitshow that was Russia in the 1990s is impressive. She’ll probably outlive her third flag knowing how things seem to be going.
WW1, WW2, collapse of the Soviet Union, Crimea takeover and now that special military operation shitshow.
She has a huge career file.
Lets hope that this iconic vessel keeps afloat and survives the current very violent shitshow.
That old Gall deserves it whatever flag is attached to here stern!
Let's hope so! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 💙 💛
Ukraine Please dont sink her.
@@davidbryden7904to hell with Ukraine. The fact the west won't send their tanks to Ukraine is proof Ukraine will fall just as Nazi Germany did.
If you haven't noticed, it is Ukraine that lost 15% of its territory, not Russia... Russians captured a land bridge to Crimea which was obviously their primary fall back goal if taking over the entire Ukraine in a lightning strike failed. Now it is going to be a war of attrition which will end in a draw - with US + EU sattellites funding Ukraine and economic ties with China keeping Russia afloat.
Good morning from the USA!
One of my favorite ships of the Russian navy simply from how crazy and eventful her life has been.
Thank you, Drachinifel.
This would be a great ship for in depth study; the modifications, and what might remain from earlier periods would be fascinating.
Soviet and Russian Federation naval maintenance is not of the highest order. To have this ship still providing service over a century after her launching is amazing to say the least.
What a cracking design and how wonderful to see something still useful and in service a century after it was built! If only 'smart phones' had the same design philosophy!
Wow! This is so interesting! Wasn’t expecting a 100 year old active duty ship on a five minute guide.
Thank you Drac I love off the beaten track Histories that you and Mark Felton come up with 👍
I used to like Felton, but after it was pointed to me that he not only doesn't source his work, but also there is good evidence that he scours history forums, takes other people's work and presents it on his channel without crediting the original author, I've stopped.
@@bjorntrollgesicht1144 is that factual or hearsay?
@@bearcatracing007well if you watch his stuff start paying attention, nothing is ever sourced. That being said, a lot of history and informational YTers don’t source. I’m sure in his books he sources everything.
@@bearcatracing007 it is true the materials aren't sourced, which when dealing with such obscure and exotic details Felton does is a bit iffy (especially when he has an actual PhD). As for the latter part, I did some searching and found screenshots and dates. I found myself convinced, as he even forced an official reaction from the staff at Deutsches Panzermuseum Munster calling him out. Though you shouldn't trust random internet comments- seek out the details and make a sound judgement by yourself.
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До сих пор служит в Севастопале в 2021г участвовала в учениях по спасению экипажа ДЭПЛ пр.636👍😁👌
It it works, it works. I'd imagine that she was built tough enough, and her systems 'simple' (in relative terms) enough that so long as there is a need for a boat to carry small subs & things to pick up off the bottom, she'll keep going.
What a fascinating story!
Kommuna is like a song that perennially hovers at, say 75 on the Billboard Top 100. Most folks never heard of it, but it just keeps on playing to a niche audience. Fascinating stuff as usual, Drach!
When a treaty era light cruiser has more tonnage and armor that a “modern” missile cruiser, the 1930s-40s was truly the era of sea behemoths that will never see again
Not to be nitpicky, but the USS Gerald R Ford is almost 40% longer and 40% heavier than the Yamato.
But yeah, I miss the era of gun warships too.
I think the same thing whenever anyone talks about the General Belgrano. I've only ever heard it referred to in media and some sources as a "battleship" when it was actually the USS Phoenix, a light cruiser.
@@barbaros99 I believe that is what D. Oliver was referencing but had not named the two ships that Drach did.
@@westcoaststacker569 Yup. Rereading it more carefully, you are correct.
We have 7,000+ ton destroyers…
Sometimes you get the design right the first time and its utility makes it invaluable.
Very well built ship
Thanks great information 👍
Oh cool. I actually found out about this ship from someone besides Drach.
This is the most interesting vessel from this channel. 🏆🏆🏆
Under capitalism, you salvage museum ships.
Under socialism, museum ship salvages YOU.
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Russia isn't socialist.
That's a fascinating story.
A feel-good story. I hope she has many more years of peaceful service.
more detail please... this is one cool ship, Drach, kudos to you for finding it :)
Please do a video on the M/V Lee A Tregurtha. Two battle stars from WWII and is still in service to this day.
Wow B-52 of the sea. Over 100 years later and she still serving
I'm surprised there haven't been more ships built in this style. Seems very useful.
Amazing how we finally have a video that doesn't end with, "going to the breakers in (insert month and year here)".
I've been wondering about this ship for awhile now! Thanks!
Been waiting for this
An excellent design!
It's the Energizer Bunny Ship! She keeps going, and going... and going...
The closest you'll get to the "Current" naval History... I'd be really interested in a Falklands War video done.
I'm hoping for at least USS Phoenix's story, as the Brooklyns just scratch that "MORE DAKKAAA" itch with their fifteen 6-inch guns.
We'll never have light cruisers like them again.
Truly an operational relic
Congratulations on 400000 subscribers!
truly amazing - quality lasts both in design and execution !!!
Thank you for this video! As far as i know, such long life is due to special steel, which resist the external conditions.
Great guide, Drach! CONGRATULATIONS ON 400K!!!!!
Slight error? “Began its career at the end of the 1900’s”? Great stuff as always Drach!
Morning All! Time for ships and eggs!!
Hve they used her to salvage binoculars from the 2nd pacific fleet? That might be a treasure trove.
"Raise the Kamchatka"!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@roykliffen9674
Fuck no. Let her rot in the abyss where she belongs.
For some unfathomable reason the Soviets named a spy ship Kamchatka. Yes, they reused that name. *For an intelligence ship.*
@@bkjeong4302 Well, you can't deny the Russian sense of humour.
@@roykliffen9674 Leave that vessel of evil rest where it cannot be found. For some things are never to be resurfaced.
thats amazing longevity for a ship
Really surprised the US didnt have one like this.
Hello Drac.
I am amazed that the US Navy has not built several of these ships, or ones of similar design, for the same purpose. A much larger, and more capable version would allow for the retrieval of sunken nuclear subs, and other vessels, and allow the US Navy to retrieve sunken foreign naval assets as well.
Another thought as well... such a ship could also retrieve military assets lost during WWII. Given the value of existing tanks and other military assets, one could easily see a profitable business for retrieving and selling the military stores from sunken cargo ships in the Atlantic. Most of which would still be inside their original packing cases, and thus pristine and valuable.
The retrieval and sale of such assets that failed to arrive for use would only drive up the value of existing assets that survived the war intact, or even damaged. Thus boosting the market for 'historical military hardware' for various uses, such as museums, military memorial sites, and other uses.
Just a few thoughts.
Huh, didn't expect Drach to mention THAT war.
I did it again... Push the like button before watching the video but hell, I never saw a bad video on Drach channel! Thanks for the work and happy Asian new year! Rabbit year for those who want to know. Drachism of the day : submarines does not goes up as many time they go down 🤣
Thank you Drach, been looking forward to this one!
That is an amazing ship! It never would have seen such a long service in the US fleet.
I've been waiting for this one and honestly thought you'd go a god 15 mins or more on it. But then I realized she hasn't done much and you are far to efficient.
5:18 shout out for that paint scheme on the ship's boat.
I hope she is spared from the current War, not for any sympathy to Russia but as a nod to her longevity.
Indeed!
As a rescue vessel in a war waged mostly for PR she is probably the safest place to be!
Hope she would. Seen her in Sevastopol. Beautiful. And in a better shape than some cold war-era ships that are seen in the Sevastopol harbor.
well one garuntee is work isn't running out anytime soon.
What a cool ship.
I knew nothing about her.
Thank you for this.
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Thanks Drach, a very interesting vessel to be sure
This ship has a length of service that is hard to beat.
This is so neat! Well done!
It is terribly impressive, that a support vessel is still working.
The contrast with the Kamchatka (in its 5 minute guide) couldn’t be more stark
World: *Comes to an end.
Kommuna: "I'll salvage it and subsequently sell it for scrap."
One of my favourite ships ever.
Wow, nice subject. Heard of her but not in this detail. Great vid.! Keep it up Dracht.
Very interesting ship
That was facinating.
Keep them coming
I am glad you are steering away from tanks still
Gotta appreciate sticking with something that works ...
Rest in pieces
I was wondering when the immortal Kommuna would show up
This was awesome nice to see an old girl still working after all this time!
What an awesome vessel.
wow!! i love this, really unique; thanks Drach
She also server as a backup headquarter for Starfleet, after the Breen Attack, during the Dominion War🖖
I can’t think of any other active naval service vessel that’s as useful today as when she was launched over a millenia ago. A design that stood the test of time.
So weird !?! I was going to suggest this one just yesterday as I had never seen it until yesterday....
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"Kommanu, I've come to bargain."
Technically at over 180 years of age, until recently at least, the barque, Kruzenshtern was also a commissioned magnetic listening-vessel of the Russian Baltic fleet (though now used as a racing tall-ship, and I am not sure on whose books she is today)
Imagine that, Rasputin was still alive when this ship was first commisioned.
When this ship was commissioned, Warspite was still iron ore in the ground.
@@bkjeong4302 yup, quite true. And Kommuna is still floating.
So was archduke Franz Ferdinand, not to mention the lost generation.
Rasputin was almost as hard to kill as Kommuna...
Yes Ive been hoping you would do a review on her
It's almost like a decently sized support ship with numerous cranes with good lifting capacity and a high level of stability is a useful thing to a navy...
I do hope that when her service does end that she doesn't end up in a scrap yard.
What a long service life!
Fascinating