Did the EU misjudge Brexit negotiations? | SpectatorTV
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- Wolfgang Munchau, director of Eurointelligence, tells Andrew Neil that the European Union misjudged Brexit. He argues that the UK and EU should part without a deal, and restart negotiations in 2021.
Taken from The Week in 60 Minutes #12.
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The U.K. may well have still had a heavy engineering and shipbuilding industry, amongst others, had government assistance not been so selectively used, the U.K. played by the rules as per usual, whilst other governments renamed government aid, and so kept their industries alive, I know this seem over simplistic, but it is generally true.
Spot on mate.
Yes you are correct. A three page directive would get turned into a twenty page booklet by British civil servants who would then implement and audit the legal aspects and adherence. At them same times other nations simply ignored it. Eg animal humane treatment and Spanish bull fighting
When the Chinese were dumping steel at below production cost into Europe, the Commission proposed imposing anti-dumping duty on that steel, to protect European job. Required unanimity, one country vetoed- no prizes for guessing which one.
@@neill392 One: by the time the Chinese were dumping steel, other EU nations (Germany, Spain, etc) had mostly destroyed British steelmaking, by the use of hidden subsidies. The UK was only producing small amounts, mostly of specialised and high-tech steel, which was not what the Chinese were dumping. Cheap standard structural steel, domestic stainless steel and so on, was therefore in the UK's interest.
BUT two: There was no veto. Protection of European steel came in anyway, despite Britain being against. The tariffs have been increased again recently. However, it is doubtful that the Chinese are "dumping" now. They are just producing standard steel more cheaply than the EU can. So of course EU taxpayers must pay to protect big steel, just as they must pay to protect big agribusiness. The world's largest protected market lurches on.
@@puffin51 We destroyed it ourselves. Once Minford had sold Thatcher on the idea the UK didn't need a manufacturing sector it was allowed to disintergrate. The rest of Europe were less stupid.
Did the EU misjudge Brexit negotiations? Well, not while T May was Prime Minister and O Robbins was chief negotiator.
They were a gift that just kept on giving.
If you cannot brush your own teeth and hair then you are not adult enough to have an opinion
@@postmodernMarxist And why do you get to make that call?
Tbh they even did there. They could've had nearly everything they wanted and yet that still wasn't enough and they wanted more. Thankfully we got a say and got rid of that mess.
@@under-dog5390 Yours is best
Mr Munchau said "There's no shortage of fish". That is absolutely incorrect, fish stocks are dwindling and must be carefully managed.
He also said it's a perceptional issue, wrong again, the UK's fishing industry should be ten times larger bringing jobs to many poorer communities. It should be the largest fishing industry in Europe, and it isn't because the EU set up the "Common Market" to destroy the UK's fishing industry.
Tbh, even if we don’t increase our quota for a while that will be no bad thing.
@@whitevanman8703 i agree the whole European project is all about ruining the British fishing industry, they don’t want to take away our sovereignty nor do they want to allow millions of refugees to invade Britain, they certainly don’t want to control our laws , they are ruthless they want our British fish to speak a foreign language, please tell me I’m not being silly
Yes, I noticed this too.
@@colinstephenson5386 So you are telling me they did not destroy our fishing industry? And that EU fishermen do not take 80% of the catch in UK waters? And Biden did not win the US election and that the holocaust did not happen?
Just walk away from this now. Any damage to us is nothing compared to the Corona impact and long term the benefits of a clean break will be worth it a thousand times over.
Need to nullify the Withdrawal Agreement.
@@jwadaow nullify the withdrawl agreement. What does that actually mean?
What benefits? Enlight me, please.
Not a single Brexit voter, voted for a 'deal'. We voted LEAVE. Even Cameron told us 'out means out'.
I thought every Brexit voter voted for making Trade Deals? Brexit is done. What is negotiated now are Trade Deals.
No...we voted to leave, then the negotiations would start, and hopefully in those 4 years of transition, something would have been worked out. But May screwed around for 2 of those on a deal that was unacceptable to nearly everyone. Because we as a nation refused that deal, the EU is now playing silly buggers in the negotiations, so a no deal brexit will now happen.
As everyone has said...no deal is better than a bad deal
we have left ,this is about future trade
Nonsense LEAVE HQ said this
“By taking a harder line we risk either being in a perpetual state of transition only to move to a threadbare FTA, sacrificing substantial trade for ineffectual immigration controls which don't really address what people are really worried about.
We do not, therefore, see EEA as "soft Brexit". Rather we see it as the most efficient, clean, smart Brexit, taking into account the polticial obligation we have to Northern Ireland and the desire to remain open to trade with the EU. It works and it beats the alternatives.”
Most smart leavers realised non-tariff barriers would harm agriculture, fishing, manufacturing, certain services, & the border in N.Ireland
@@Kratos40595 That is exactly right, but the EU demands are unacceptable to most people who supported brexit. We will not accept being a vasal state, tied to the EU court
Yes but Spain is selling us our own cod.. Our fishermen could catch all our cod and sell it to UK supermarkets.. The mackerel can live happily if the eu won't buy them..
fuck cod
Exactly the fish that are sold to us are fish caught in our own waters.
We have no problem catching, processing and selling our marine resources in world markets whatsoever. The EU demand that their fisherman catch 80% of UK stocks IN PERPETUITY after Brexit. Send in the navy if they cross into our waters.
ps. If they don't want to borrow money in London tell them to go elsewhere. Brexit is Brexit basta.
Unpopular fact: Fish isn’t as sought after in the UK as people believe. Brexit will hurt the UK fishing industry because they can’t sell the fish to neighboring countries without substantial tariffs...
You can’t sell all the fish to the British post Brexit...
@@JayJay5244 There is not enough of the UK fishing fleet left to supply current UK demand, so it will take time to build up the fleet to satisfy our own demand and then start exporting. The fact that our fishing fleet has been so destroyed is sufficient reason to regret joining the "Common Market" in the first place.
Fishing is symbolic of what Brexit is about, if we can't get fishing right there is no hope of getting anything else right.
You've hit the nail on the head, it's all so very simple, we need to walk away and save what dignity we have left.
The Germans don't give the Engish free cars, the French don't give the Engish free wine why would the UK give the EU free fish?
@@kenpie474 we do not have much left if any
@@derekmoore8224 your right so sad 😪
UK parliament today, 24th Nov 2020 have just passed new UK legislation on Fishing. As UK is an Independent country , this new legislation applies to UK fishing rights.
the EU have negotiated like a jilted lover - spiteful and sulkingly
You mean the UK.
YOU, not the EU. You "won", get over it , and out!
that's why they put a Frenchman in charge that is more arrogant than the average highly arrogant Frenchman they have no right for our water and there courts has no say over us anymore there fourth Reich court settling disputes is not a level playing field put tariffs will hurt the German car maker as we have a free trade deal with japan we export more to america than we do to the fourth Reich only 5% of UK firms export to the fourth Reich when the UK is only allowed 20% of the fish in our waters that is a problem if they pay they can fish and why does the forth Reich let Russian super trawler fish in UK water and we want super trawlers banned from UK waters and the dutch wont like that fuck Biden senile British hating wanker. so the french think we will surrender we are not french we don't surrender as they do the real french flag is white THE COMMUNIST UNIONS ARE TO STRONG FRANCE NEED A THATCHER. i'm a working class military veteran
Kurt, Karsten, you huns arming up?
You can't leave a trading bloc and demand all the benefits of the trade agreements.
It is looking likely so. It turns out the British people aren't so daft for wanting Brexit afterall.
Why?
No Deal Brexit!
Followed by Scotland leaving the Union. The incredibly shrinking ‘Great’ Britain....
If anything, the British brexiters misjudged the negotations. Remember the 'easiest deal in history' mantra? Nobody at the EU side made such claims; they knew it was going to be tough; the EU knew what was involved. And they kept their nerve. Their red lines were not populist posturing red lines (like May's), but survival of the EU red lines. They showed remarkable unity, which came as a surprise to the brexiters (remember the: "the real negotiations will be with Angela Merkel" pooh-poohing). And most of all: the EU is ready for a hard brexit, while Britain is woefully unprepared. And the sad thing: the British still don't get it. As they never got what the EU was really about.
Allegra’s boyfriend just taking the Carrie line, he’s been spouting the same guff in the Times. Get out of the EU, if Johnson caves in he’s and his pseudo Tories are finished.
When I can't tell which "side" Wolfgang is on that is exactly what we need right now. He can put both sides forward, provide some analysis for why each may hold their respective positions & speculate on what we may see moving forwards. Perfect. I wish more of the coverage we had were like this. Thankyou for the content!
People who voted to leave the EU didn't vote for a deal they voted to leave with no rules or laws comeing from the EU end of
and you know all 17.4 million of them... haha, remind me who said 'the easiest deal in history, we hold all the cards'?
I voted to just leave!
@@clovermark39 because your shitty life is all EU's and immigrants fault... btw. thank f... this government is running Covid response, imagine deaths, corruption and incompetence if it was Brussels
@@czarekp3552 All 17.4 million voted for the UK to 'leave' the EU and the Oxford Dictionary definition of the word 'leave' is 'Depart from permanently'.
You speak the truth, succinctly and well put. This is what David Frost should be telling the EU.
Bravo. It's rare to see unbiased commentators who don't seem to have a dog in the fight. I actually felt I could trust their insights and perspectives. A rare experience these days.
haha
I fully agree with you
Gave me some air to breath
What?? These are biased AF. EU bought and payed for, like the BBC, Guardian, and Bank of England!
Don’t forget to put your aluminum head when you go to bed
Double bravo I say.
France and Germany just changed there state aid when they like
Provide evidence for your claim.
@@kurtgodel5236 Germany 9 billion bailout for Lufthansa (amongst others !!) and please do not tell me it is a loan !!!
@@arthurblundell6128 I don't tell you anything. It is incumbent on you to provide proof that this bailout was in contravention of EU law.
@@kurtgodel5236 don't be so prickly about everything !
Britain should leave without a deal unless we get free access to French vineyards. We should put 100% on all French n German products. The EU has screwed British manufacturing since we joined.
I wish our own establishment cared about our own fishibg industry like Macron does his.
He didn't know he had a fishing industry until he wanted their votes for reelection.
I also understand that there is an increasing shortage of fish in UK waters because of overfishing and throwing back of dead fish which do not fulfil EU quotas. Add to that pulse fishing which kills all sealife within range - as it did in the Med
Fishing was just a useful propaganda ploy by the vote leave .... do you think that the Tories give a fudge about fishing
@Phil Cadey I know Grimsby has a.big fishing industry ... but I don’t see this government collapsing a deal with the EU
If is boils down to fishing as only sticking point that is my view anyway .... they will probably come to a compromise and word it carefully 😉
Anyway the fisherman sell a lot of fish to the EU ..... I don’t know who owns the fishing rights now but I am sure that some were sold off
Literally no one gave a single fuck about commercial fishing until Brexit came around. It's a political point. That is all.
Britain must have 100% sovereignty.
We always have.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 except for all the areas where the EU had primacy. e.g. Free movement overriding our immigration system, dictating what attracted VAT etc.
only North Korea has that
Sovereignty to do what? Leave the largest trading bloc in the world?
That's a myth in a modern globalized world. Every treaty means you give up some sovereignty for mutual benefits. Welcome to reality!
The debate about Fish is not strange, it is not about economic scale, it is about UK sovereignty over its coastal/sea waters.
Entirely emotive and symbolic issue
Put the economics of it aside and it is about territory. It is our territory, not the EUs. This is something they don't seem to grasp.
@Phil Cadey The UK could always deal with the rest of the world. But the world prefers German products. Umbro or adidas, VW or Rover? Just start making better stuff instead of whinging about the unfaitness of life.
@Phil Cadey will sovereignty employ u or feed u
@@mikebegonia6134 In my case, Rover. Literally! Bought a 75 in lockdown. Wouldn't touch a German car if it was the last one on the planet! I live on the coast, so to some people fishing is 100% of their income and lifestyle. For a coastal state that has fished for millenia to be prevented from fishing is ridiculous. Umbro or Adidas? Both are made in the same 3rd world sweatshops, so neither! You can still get English linen cotton and local tailors to make clothes from scratch.
Here’s the deal that works
We eat our own fish and they eat their BMW’s
What stopped you from eating fish? Large majority of fish caught by brexiteers is exported to EU.
@@UltraCasualPenguin it was a joke but we could sell elsewhere and they could sell their cars to someone else
That would reduce pressure on fish stocks by 90% and let the marine environment recover a bit
It’s not compulsory to trash resources or the environment is the hidden agenda behind the joke 😊
@@SarahHughLavender I’m afraid remainers are a dour lot they don’t understand humour it’s because they believe themselves to be intellectuals much smarter than you or i
@@mickyfrazer4203 yea I know. I actually had a rather good education and ended up inventing the means for 3D endoscopy and confocal multispectrum retinal scanning in my spare time having a day job making wildlife films 🤣
The remoaners just moan which is their contribution to british society 👍 bless x
@@SarahHughLavender if you happen to get a spare minute could you please find a cure for high blood pressure I would be much obliged 🤣
Did the _EU_ misjudge Brexit? LOLOLOLOL.
Lefty freak alert
UK is Finnish
@@BCrawley01
"UK is Finnish"
No
UK is English
Finland is Finnish
@@akulaa4853 I think he meant UK is finished.
@@BCrawley01 The UK is more Russian than Finnish.
How refreshing to hear a grown-up discussion instead of the rubbish we hear from the MSM every day.
Twenty minutes of balanced, reasoned debate by three intelligent, thoughtful commentators. Are you watching BBC, Sky et al?
I wouldn't waste my time on stupidity like this.
@@PanglossDr Fair enough. Guess we won't be seeing you again. Bye.
@@rosemarywoolley8394 I come by from time to time for light entertainment, to laugh at idiots.
@@PanglossDrAren't you just the sweetheart! Bet your mum thinks you are the best.
@@PanglossDr !”
And then, at the eleventh hour, Spain will veto unless they get access to Gib. We should walk. Now.
You might be right, but that should be easily squashed. Much of the US fleet, that in historic terms only exists because of the Mediterranean, is located in Gibraltar. People treat the issue as though it is some shriveled appendage from imperial history. But it remains a key strategic interest of the US, and Spain is not going to get it's way. Spain will do what domestic politics makes it do, but in the real world this is long over.
@@HondoTrailside you might be right and with respect Gib is not just a strategic asset for the UK Navy but an inherent part of British culture. Spain may well back off, but there will be a price to pay.
@@111lochinvar strategic military base, thriving offshore financial centre, work base for thousands of spanish, very interesting holiday location with excellent tax advantages, one of the fastest growing property markets in europe and an excellent place to top a few IRA suspects. Whats not to like?
@@111lochinvar you're obviously not a history fan. Unless you're an expert on the history of large retail outlets? How edifying that must be.
That’s right - u break the laws. So y the hell shld we allow u to keep Gibraltar.
These jokers seem to think we all want 'a deal' lol, most would be elated to get 'no deal'.
Prove it.
You're very much in a minority. 48% voted to remain, 52% voting to leave were promised that nothing will change, if slightly more than 2% believed that then you would be in a minority but I think that a lot more than 2% believed that. But I must concede that I am stocking up on popcorn just in case of no-deal, so that I can snack while I enjoy watching the UK burn in 2021. Vive la revolution!
I find this hard to believe considering during the referendum leavers were constantly saying how easy a deal would be, how nobody was talking about leaving the single market entirely, how even the mention of tariffs was fear mongering.
Not once did brexiteers promote a complete breakaway from the EU.
@@TheBalhamboy It's beyond imagination how supposedly educated brits can't see they're stabbing a dagger into their own country's heart, for no reason. Finally, maybe these little Englanders, big Empire delusionists, will realise that the UK is not that important.
Unless and until we walk away the EU will not offer a fair and reasonable deal.
@trident3b I do
Newsflash: the EU's demands will not change after no deal. Our demands are a result of a calculation of our long-term interests agreed between 27 countries.
@@simoncolombo6640 Simon, experience indicates the EU will adapt their demands to whatever deal is most beneficial to them - as they have since referendum result 4 years ago. They have pushed and pushed and found they had the greater advantage with Mrs May and her Olly, neither of whom seemed to have the stomach or skills for negotiation. Now, faced with a UK more determined to cut a deal that will not disadvantage the UK, the EU is, I believe, adapting gradually to realpolitic.
@@andrewsmith9335 News to you, Andrew: That's how trade negotiating works. You talk and adjust, but you aim for benefits to your side.
Very informed and non biased discussion. Refreshing!
The clue is in the name UK FISHING WATERS
The ones we sold to the EU?
We were forced to by the quotas
@@millhilljimjimmy6731 Yee lot seem to forget yee over fished yer waters for years,lucky the EU had the sense to bring in quotas.
Funny that,I see Brit trawlers fishing up off Norway,Iceland,Greenland and Ireland as well.Amazing that isint it???
@@robertomeara3469 really? You must be very mobile.
I’ve never bought into the argument that the UK would end up caving in. The EU’s demands on fishing and the level playing field were unreasonable and petty. I can’t imagine circumstances where France or Germany would accept similar demands on their countries were they to leave. I think the EU just thought “Britain has traditionally given in to us, let’s try it on.” Boris was right to stand firm. Maybe one day he will try standing firm on other things,
So, what do you think about caving in now, Kevin?
@@hasovic I don't see how we've caved in. 5 years fishing access during which time our fishing rights increase is not that much of a concession. If you'd told me 10 years ago wed be leaving the EU at the end of 2020 and that was the biggest thing we'd have to give up, I would have laughed at you.
@@kevint1719 I don't think it was about the fish. On the EU or the UK side. I think caving in was on much more important stuff.
This all sounds very nice... but let's cut to the chase, if Boris caves...Boris and the tories are toast...end of.
And if no deal goes through Boris and the Tories will be spit roasted
@@blackphilip8936 I don’t disagree, a bunch of hedge fund managers will be making hundreds of millions, the average guy on the street is going to be lucky to keep his job
After what this Country has gone through with Covid, the Financial DISASTER we are now under, yet the Destruction to our Businesses - a 'No Deal Brexit' will be a Walk in the Park!!!!!! We have spent over £350 Billion on Covid already. We need a clean break right now, so we can re-structure our Country, in OUR own way, at OUR own speed, and with OUR own Money! No Deal please- just walk away. The EU have had nearly 5 YEARS, to do a deal. They are NOT going to do one in one month - are they? WALK NOW!"!
Actually, the economists say that no deal will deepen the impact of COVID.
@@simoncolombo6640 So What?
@@veryveryangryman1 Just saying that no deal will not be a walk in the park. It's a double whammy.
Perceptional issues? Tell that to the uk coastal regions. I implore Carrie Symonds to tell Boris its time to stop the talks.
Yes, you've always got to consult the boss.
@Jase The Ace it would appear she is the prime minister's ear as opposed to having it.
Yes lets stop right now - they'll come crawling back you see.
That German chap has some great insights. Would like him to be a more regular fixture
Just leave
The EU did misjudge the UK stance, they went in thinking that the British government was a rational actor that would negotiate in good faith. Instead they faced a group of toddlers and intellectuals midgets who have lied and cheated themselves onto a ledge and now threaten to jump - in an ideal world you say go ahead, but as the sane party the EU is morally responsible for the insane UK.
No sane person thought that UK was willing to sacrifice it’s world beating £trillion banking sector that employs hundreds of thousands to save a fishing industry that employs a few thousand and is worth a couple £billion with the majority of catch reliant on the EU market.
Indeed, manipulating the stupid emotional brexiteers to gladly shoot themselves in the foot.
Finally an unbiased discussion
This was great to watch!
Fantasy stuff - Europe wont know whats hit them.
There has been unbiased news years before this on UA-cam trouble is no one can find them and their channels are being shut down one by one or they are labeled far right
@@mattinwinkymg boo hoo
This is not unbiased
@@mattinwinkymg That'll be because they're far right.
Informative, succinct, and no line being spun. This is what we looked to the BBC for once.
The Spectator is a conservative paper. That's no secret. You just think it's unbiased because it's agreeing with your opinions, or at least not opposed to them.
@@stuartsummers1303 Spot on. The lack of self-awareness in some of these comments is stunning.
No, we knew all the time UK was going to be unrealistic and arrogant. So we prepared for a No Deal. It will hurt us a bit. It will hurt UK horribly. I expect a more amiable UK negotiator once the carnage unveils.
We want nothing bad for you, that is Why we would have preferred UK remained. But since this is what you voted for and supported in the last election, I hope you know what you’re doing. Not my place to suggest you *might* have been fed some lies.
PS. Holland and Ireland thank for all the Jobs moving from UK to EU countries.
Typical selfish attitude, blame the U.K. for everything, I wonder if the boot was on the other foot what your position would be towards the U.K. Like perhaps if your country was invaded and U.K. was the only one who had not capitulated, or did a deal with the aggressors so was later able to help those whose freedoms were surrendered. Broaden your perspective..
We need to walk away. NO deal is best outcome for us. It is the only way .
From the 1th of January UK loses access to the biggest trade block in the world and you are talking of leaving with no deal.
You don't even care of the consequences that would cause to businesses and families in the UK.
@@augustine.o6190 I am really sorry to have offended you. It appears you are the only person in this debate to care and 17.5 million people who voted for Brexit to leave do not care. Make sure you put your name forward for the Noble Peace Price.
How refreshing, a grown up debate
I think Munchau misunderstands. Fishing is not perception it is sovereignty.
Perhaps the EU can explain what their threats and insults have to do with a trade negotiation!
Who broke their word? hint it was not the EU
What threats and insults? Are you talking about the ones invented by the same trash news site that spread fake news to promote Brexit before the vote?
@Sylvia Hollely Bring it on! I believe in equality, about time to punish a few brexiteers for getting us into this mess yourself included
Munchau was an excellent contributor to this show. Knowledgable and balanced. Many thanks.
The EU withdrew the Canada +++ deal.
Pleasing to see an intelligent exchange on this without the 'dumbed down' approach taken by the main TV news channels.
Will the Eu25 invade Poland and Hungary?
The EU has just agreed the largest economic plan ever and managed to tie it up with obligatory compliance for the rule of law, freedom of press etc. That will prevent Poland, Hungary or any other EU country from undemocratic practices, if that's what you were worrying about. No democracy, no money.
@@martasampaio9134 I'm never worried about the EU27. At least we didin't join them in the rush (?) for them to get the vaccine(s). I wonder what Poland and Hungary got for their votes?
He's talking a loud of crap, Iceland catch cod the most in their waters & we've just struck a deal with them. Europe will just have to do like the British did when Ted Heath gave are fisheries away & told the fishing communities to retrain in other trades.
I heard some bizarre comment saying that most of cod from the UK came from Spain but, like you, I thought Iceland (with their unique cod stock monitoring regime) was the main supplier since the 80's. I am pretty sure, Spain catches cod in our waters and then sell it, we in return sell mackerel (a fish we export 60% to EU since UK fleet catches it the most) to them. With the Med's fleet rolling up for a future, they are going to be feeling the pinch once we leave since the fishing grounds get smaller for the EU.
Yeah. Looks like no deal with probably a load of mini deals early next year once EU industry starts kicking up.
Since when does a nations natural resources have any thing to do with a trade deal. It’s akin the the UK demanding “fair access” to the Dutch offshore gas fields as part of a deal. Trade is trade and natural resources are natural resources, they are not the same thing. The distinction seems to have been blurred by certain politicians for their own political survival.
2016was the vote to leave, why can’t a deal be done in the 4 years since
Stop wasting time.
WTO NOW
@Jeff Taylor we wouldn't of had any problem getting a trade deal with the yanks 2 years ago, now we have a crook that won't give us one, a crook that won't even acknowledge his own grandchild, because his druggy son had it with stripper. And you say calm down.
I calm, I just fed up with tax payers money wasted on pumping the dog all year.
@@djames6780 you ain’t seen nothing yet. By the time Boris and his cronies disappeared off the scheme there will be so little left of the social and economic infrastructure of this nation you’ll dream of the days you wasted money on EU fat cats.
Fish is constantly downplayed by the pundits as being economically insignificant. But, being seen to have full control of your own waters is symbolic of sovereignty and as such is highly significant (as evidenced by the current state of negotiations).
🤣 yes it’s only small because they get 90% of our fish
Lobster lives matter 🤣👌🏻 protect them from macron 👍
The EU have misjudged nothing.
You are asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is why did Britain think that they would get a unicorn ++ deal.
So EU can give trade assistance but we can’t 😡
Just leave, work the details later after we are out.
Yeah, just leave and deal with tariffs problem as Britain grows in strength. As stated covid has wrecked the economy, as for the USA being influencing these talks is a non starter. The USA internal market and political partnership will favour Britain over the EU.
this is defiantly the best option, after we leave properly the EU might actually treat us like an independent nation again and not a vassal state that has to comply to their rules.
@Andy ME probably the frugal 4 giving those others a bit of a headache!
That happened Jan 2020
Brilliant plan - I love it.
Interesting how the focus was on Anglea Merkel calling the French to say grow up and not the British , strange that.
It's indeed, because there are eight countries impacted by the fisheries thing, including Germany. This guy has no clue.
Great interviews as usual Andrew.
I was pleasantly surprised with Wolfgang, he seems quite sensible. Then again, he is German (and not French).
Intelligent and balanced analysis from Wolfgang Munchau.
A refreshingly balanced discussion. I don’t often say that about Brexit
Munchau is not balanced at all. He dislikes the EU and even suggested in late 2016 that Ireland should leave the union.
One of the best intelligent and considered interviews on the subject.
Its true to say still nobody knows the answer to the outcome...after almost 5 years!
Even if a deal is very thin by 31st December, I don’t think they will stop negotiating. In the end, a good deal is required for both sides even if that takes longer.
We had the temerity to leave the E U and we can’t expect them to give us a good deal because there’ll be a stampede for the door by Italy, France, and possibly Spain. So the only option is to leave with no deal. Yes it will be painful in the short term, but to back track is not thee answer.Half in or half out ,NO THANK YOU.
Yes, I remember the 2016 referendum campaign telling us it would be painful.
Of course, America will now also be trying to lean on Britain. The Dems are very pro EU. Remember, Obama told us not to vote Brexit and we took no notice and voted anyway. What a pity for us, that Trump never won. Johnson and company must just remember, in 4 years the Republicans could very likely be voted in again.
Johnson would be well advised not to let us down. Dont break the trust we all placed in you, Boris.
Heath ruined our fishing industry. We want it ALL back. A L L !
Great Britain has always been sovereign, but it is not an equal contractual partner for the EU, nor for the USA or for China! Too small and not powerful enough!
I don't think so. The EU has had a list of what it wants and it simply sits back and waits for the UK to buckle on everything. I'd say it's worked very well for them so far. To work out a proper deal in future, the UK should leave properly.
No more extensions they will talk for ever. Leave now talk after., if they and us want trade.
Absolutely they'll see sense in the end.
How can people read so man y books and be so unintelligent.
They become intellectual idiots instead of normal idiots.
Give in on fishing then we do not have control of our waters. No deal
The British people want a WTO deal. No deal is the best deal.
And Britain will be bankrupt before the next election. The banks have already left - with their tax revenues. The two week delays at the ports will kill the rest of the economy.
Best to walk, work out what is needed and go from there.... right now a lot of hypothesis.... you will find business will get on with it
What a load of remoaning biased waffle we want our country back including our fish
A really refreshing programme to watch. I voted Leave - for too many reasons to mention. I've been totally dis-Mayed by the way our government has approached and dealt with this. But given we are where we are, I think that the FISH issue isn't about fish - it's about us taking back proper control of our borders - the 12 mile limit.
And does anyone else think that in any case this is just window dressing? It would appear that all of our governments, have, without our consent, signed us up to Davos WEF policies and that the Covid plandemic is the means to implement the 'Global Reset' that is now openly discussed?
So does it matter if region 1 shares fish with region 2?
Andrew Neil, I respect you enormously - but please, address this issue of the 4th Industrial revolution / the Technocracy and the G4tes 'foundation' with his stated goal of depopulation - and he's funding most of these Covid vax trials (for a virus that it's now evident is just a similar killer to annual flu...)
PLEASE ANDREW NEIL ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
Unfortunately sovereignty has become confused with fishing rights. Fishing is a minuscule part of our economy compared to say car manufacturing. We seem prepared to throw our manufacturing under a bus for the sake of some fish. Nobody gave a stuff about the fish when our fishing industry sold its quotas to European fishing companies.
Boris you are the primeminister of a great sovreign state with the greatest history of any country in the world. Don't throw away your reputation on an unnecessary deal. Brexiteers will be with you if you take a tough stance.
100% a deal is coming - it always was. But what will be the range of compromises each side has had to make? My guess is the UK will have made the most concessions. Why? Because they allowed the Boris deadline to be suspended, and negotiations continue. This signalled to the Barnier team that No 10 had no intention (regardless of all the 'chest beating' ) of 'walking'; the UK wants an agreement, possibly desperately. I must add that as a lifelong Brexiteer I hope my analysis is totally wrong, I really do. Andrew, SPECTATOR TV is great. It's your own fault BBC.,
Time for the EU to finally pull the plug.
Andrew Neil on Piers Morgan show--"I can tell you Mr.President, there ain't gonna be any vaccine by the end of the year" "Oops....sorry Mr.President, I got that one a little wrong".
They didn't misjudge; they were misled by the lilylivered remoaners.
WTO we voted leave without any control by EU
I voted OUT. Not to hang on and beg. No deal was always fine and preferred to going back under the EU thumb
Finally, some coherent and unbiased comment on Brexit. Thank heavens for the Speccy, and Andrew ( without his wig)
Don't *"fink"* this guy has a clue what's going on.
The question of fault is clear The UK is willing to respect EU sovereignty over their states, but the EU refuses to accept UK sovereignty over its borders. Political intervention isn’t required it should of always been a given a Sovereign UK should have left without a deal and, committed to only trade talks without political intervention, security and, policing internationally could have been under a NATO talks outside the remittances of EU.
You talk as if Northern Ireland doesn't exist... When people refer to the UK they're basically talking just about England
As an American looking at this as an outside observer, what the hell is the benefit of having a FTA with the EU in which you have a massive trade deficit, you have to pay 50+ billion pounds as a divorce agreement, you don't have control of your own fishing territory, European courts are superior to British courts in British territory, EU sets British standards, etc etc. Just walk away!!
Does Wolfgang always "Tippex" his name on his folders? --- lol
The old pipe dream of playing one EU leader against another.
The French can be given additional fishing waters in the Gulf of St. Lawrence adjacent to St. Pierre and Miquelon.
Well, nothing the UK can give away because it is not theirs.
There are international agreements, so EU fishing boats do fish in Canadian waters.
The German car industry values the integrity of the common market over a deal with the UK. Wolfgang Munchau is uninformed if he thinks Merkel intervene against the will of the car industry.
If there is no deal negotiations will continue in 2021 and Barnier will have an even stronger hand.
We are now importing tuktuk road legal which are cheaper less polluting and more appropriate for urban transport than the German offerings so......what’s wrong with cars made around the world by friendlier countries ?
@@SarahHughLavender Really funny.
The EU judged that the UK would cave eventually. I don't think Lord Frost would, but they know Boris is itching to cave if they can wangle a way for him to do it.
Absolutely they did :) after 31st December we hold all the cards
Yeah, and it will be ration cards.
In a game of baseball.
Yes, after the 31st of december you hold all the cards - in a game of solitaire.
Sounds like sour grapes to me but if your English then your one of them remoaners :)
@@christophersangster4295 you're
The Germans don't give the Engish free cars, the French don't give the Engish free wine why would the UK give the EU free fish?
Who else buys your fish? With tariffs on it..😂🤦♂️
@@gohfi It will be our patriotic duty to eat fish three times a day. God save the Queen.😆
@@philip013 You don’t even like your own fish.
@@gohfi We will slap on plenty of salt and vinegar. We will hardly taste the fish.
@@philip013 Enjoy your meal!
This man speaks sense but the money is not the question it’s what’s right and wrong and anyone can see this
The level playing field should always have been a non-issue because it was settled in the Political Declaration which expressly stated that the level playing field was by reference to the laws in force as at 31 December 2020. Sadly the EU having signed up to that immediately reneged on it by adopting an official negotiating position that required a level playing field to be by reference to whatever laws EU happened to pass in the future
No compromise on fishing, "level playing field" = freedom to set our own rules , subsidies etc, ECJ
No compromise on fishing, so who is going to buy all the fish we are going to catch. Tell you what you can land all the fish you want, you just can't sell it. LOL. Oh, and the UK government is NOT going to give any handouts unlike the EU.
@@TheBalhamboy clearly dont understand that most restaurants and supermarkets in the uk have to buy from abroad due to a shortage in the uk
@@mandismith89 Wrong kind of fish. We don't catch Cod, we catch mackerel and sell it to Spain. Spanish fisherman catch Cod and sell it to the UK. So British consumers are going to have to start eating smelly mackerel but I like it so no problem for me :D
It's nice to hear experts speaking for a change. I think I'll avoid all the noise in the comments this time.
Fishing is the number one issue in the minds of the British public. These waters were exclusively ours before we joined the Common Market in the seventies, so they should revert to that state afterwards. Anything else is unacceptable.
Not in my mind. It's worth 0.3% of GDP.
I don’t really see what unacceptable demands the UK has made? 🤷🏻♂️
As far as the "level playing field" goes THIS is why the EU are so insistent - they are afraid of us doing to them what they did to us!
nyebevannews.co.uk/i-fact-checked-the-what-has-the-eu-done-for-us-viral-post-and-the-results-turned-me-into-a-brexiteer/
Also - the state aid to the militant French farmers is what killed off British farming. It took longer than the immediate disaster to UK fishing but has gradually destroyed it. The French are wary that if we start framing again we might undercut the French farmers we have subsidised for forty-seven years.
EU is taking UK for a ride. Enough is enough. Leave on WTO terms!
wait a minute, did i hear the words, wolfgang moonchild? poor guy...
Britain would be foolish to agree a deal only covering goods, where the EU has a large surplus, and not services. Boris will do this only to save a few weeks of headlines of lorry queues in January.
A deal does nothing for the queues, the same customs checks will happen, deal or no deal.